Victron Battery Protect BP12/24 |220

[@AaezI]

Those are some pretty nice mosfets. 2.5m Rds on, and 230A continuous current at 25C.

[@sams5803]

Awesome I couldn't even see the ID number thingy lol gotta love me some nerd stats!!!

[@alpinerep]

Jehu, you can actually use these LVD modules without using a second module to charge. It's simple, just connect the charge wire positive to the battery side of the module and not the load side. The module continues to protect the battery from low voltage and still allows you to charge without back feeding the module. There really is no point in using another module because it would only be on when that charge voltage is present and if it's charging then the voltage is definitely above the disconnect voltage, so it's not actually protecting anything anyways. If you look closely at the diagram, it connects the load side (Out) of the second "charge" module to the B+ (In) of the main module.

[@timoromeo7663]

ooooops

[@BATTERY73]

When I told you it wasn’t bidirectional... I had no idea you would decide to tear it apart lol. I’m kinda glad because I was always curious what it looks like inside. Nice work.

[@jehugarcia]

We all were curious

[@TheGalifrey]

The second charging battery protect is for use with Victron batteries with internal VE-Bus BMS. If you have a BMS already it is superfluous.

[@stevetobias4890]

You need to read item description before buying. This is to prevent your batteries from being over discharged. An example is an inverter cutting out at 9.5 volts which will stuff up your expensive battery bank. I spent over $1000 on my batteries so spending a bit over $100 for a quality protection unit is value plus. This way my batteries are disconnected from my inverter at 10.8 - 11 volts so they can recover to 11.5 + volts. Also 220 amps spreader over 8 MOSFETs is under 30 amps per MOSFET, well within spec's. This is why it has a 5 year warranty. If you purchased the wrong item you can return it before wasting over $100 with an angle grinder to make a video to prove your out of your depth.

[@kint5ugee]

Don't inverters already have this function? At least victron ones

[@johnq8792]

Don't use this on an inverter, it will fail immediately, because of reverse current and or high capacitor inrush current.

[@JFLegaspi]

Somebody commented on my channel and recommend this thing, said this is another level. 😊 and he's right. It's another level of rip-off. An automatic hi/low voltage cut-off (with adjustable digital display) board paired with a 300A continous duty solenoid relay switch is a much better diy option than this. You got your hands first on this thing. I was planning to do exactly the same for my future video content. Thumbs up Jehu! 👍👍😊

[@alpinerep]

"Don't order this thing, cuz you might get this one" HAHAHA

[@bodiehayden3803]

You probably dont care but if you are stoned like me atm you can watch all the latest series on instaflixxer. I've been streaming with my gf for the last few weeks :)

[@trentoakley1473]

@Bodie Hayden definitely, have been watching on instaflixxer for years myself =)

[@seanflanagan2441]

I love it! Another member of the BigClive posse!

[@dougle03]

Not really. BC would never do this! - He'd also read up on a product and only buy it if he knew what it does first....

[@seanflanagan2441]

@@dougle03, I agree he would (likely) have read the specs before buying-definitely would if for a need rather than a whim. I was speaking to the attitude, "let's see what's inside."

[@daemoncan2364]

BigClive doesn't try to return the things he tears apart. Jehu wants his damn money back. Some blue potting compound and a few "scratches" on the heat sink be damned. :)

[@jurjendraaijer4286]

the quality of your content can only go up from here....

[@jehugarcia]

You must be new around here, this is nowhere near the bottom

[@dougle03]

@@jehugarcia I've been subscribed for over a year, but reconsidering now!

[@jehugarcia]

If your feelings get hurt easily you might wanna get off on the next exit, it’s a bumpy ride from here on out.

[@dougle03]

@@jehugarcia Bumpy for me or your sponsors?

[@jehugarcia]

What sponsors?

[@Mario-yt7ni]

1:00 There are two relays so that the charger and the load can be switched separately. If your load is too big for the charger to follow, it will damage the battery. So the battery can be charged and only when a certain voltage is reached can a load be switched on again. Wikipedia: Hysteresis

[@someguy9566]

Haha. I was in tears laughing when he was like it didn't work, I think im gonna return it. I can see the guys face when he opens the returned box like "what the hell". Thanks for showing what's inside tho

[@JohnSmith-qd8po]

Oh yeah, you want to program the cutoff voltage ? Well your just going to have to purchase the $29.00 programming cable (which btw is 1/3 the cost of the original product).

[@unheard128]

They do not have a ve.direct port. You program them by shorting the pins or via bluetooth.

[@BAGINAZARD]

Literally just returned all 6 of the 200A ones I just bought. *Getting 6 Blue Sea Systems 200A circuit breakers.* those things is incompatible with their own inverters... bummer.

[@daveyjones-sx6ym]

When Jehu has no chill for a bs product, good work man and thanks

[@jimmac521]

Jehu is trolling again. What I love is how he is constantly saying "this stuff is Chinese electronics. You have to test it cause stuff happens." Then he disses the pro, well tested stuff. BTW... not a current product and to be fair those diagrams were on the website so you could see what it did before you bought it. Like I said, he enjoys a good trolling. which is part of why I love the guy but don't get too wound up on this one. He's just having some fun.

[@jehugarcia]

People are too square these days

[@payton1284]

I love to see expensive simple products beings torn apart and exposed. 😃

[@jehugarcia]

Some people are throwing up in their mouths.... and they are blaming me

[@panospapadimitriou3498]

@@jehugarcia well another guy explained too that it can and might act as a BMS deathtrap when big capacitors come to life after low voltage disconect inverter,,, wish i could send you mine to demostrate some magic smoke ,,, could spare a bms for some tries too but shiping is a thing!!! i m still searching on you tube any new clip about these!!! hope i didnt throwed 80 euros in a blue trash can!!!!

[@milvolts1]

This BMS is meant for large capacity battery systems. It will protect your batteries from over charging and over draining. The discharging will be connected directly to your battery.

[@jehugarcia]

None of what you wrote is true

[@milvolts1]

jehugarcia , my bad J. Total mis- information on my part. Got modules confused. Took dislike back. This unit is great for connecting power inverter to and protecting your battery (ies) from dipping below set voltage.

[@2DC24]

You will damage your Battery Protect if you put this between the Battery and a strong inverter. The MOSFETs don't like inverters and Victron strongly advises to not connect Inverters to this type of BP

[@panospapadimitriou3498]

@@2DC24 if i put it between solar charger and battery is it ok ? cause i bought one i m far from system most days and cant secure when batteries are going to sagg to death when no sun.. plus they give some info for external generator relay but i wont buy any VE .. will try my own relay .. wish me luck!!!!!!!

[@johnq8792]

​@@2DC24 ...true, I damaged 2 of them with an inverter.

[@Yaman-D-Chhaya]

Hey Jehu, that was a real teardown men, I think how if you remove the diode from in there which only allows currant unidirectional!!🌹🌹 You cut it open Jehu Lolz you think you will get your money bro that's a 100 bucks it's actually crazy for that PCB's aluminium heatsink, 4 MOSFETs those FETs are actually good Bro and a ton of Epoxy resin, you are right not to buy that stuff!! Great Video, great to see you

[@panospapadimitriou3498]

i wouldnt be mad if i had a piece of history.. this one is for sure

[@jolio81]

Two things: 1) Unless your battery charger is an idiot, why would you need to protect your battery from your charger using this device? Bypass this device with the charger. 2) I'm not an electrical engineer, but I don't think Victron is simply trying to sell you more stuff. The main component in this device (the thing that actually cuts the current) is a solid state switch rather than an old-fashioned solenoid switch. Unlike a solenoid switch (which has moving parts), you'll wreck this solid state switch if you try to feed current the wrong way through it. That's my understanding, anyway. For me, it's a worthwhile compromise.

[@tedco-Theo]

hELLO ! Please, is it necessary (and why) to put a "victron energy battery protect" 🙂😮😮 like I got a good BMS on my battery ? It seems to do a similar job, no ? Thank you. (perhaps have you got also a better idea. Thanks)

[@RicardoMoreiraKrahnin]

The world needs more of this videos, "bad things" should be all exposed so people dont get fooled That much

[@gregx9419]

LOL... A proper review! :D

[@alanpetersen4615]

I laughed my ass off! You did a great job!

[@Lisas4us]

I am pretty sure the SSR works both ways, to protect the battery current flows through the MosFet, to Charge theBattery current flows through the bypass Diode thats inside the mosfet.

[@brinkshows2720]

0:50 No, this device is to prevent over discharging your battery. So why should you put a battery protection on the charging devices? The thing is that this device uses a mosfet as a switch. If you want to go both ways you need two mosfets in series with oposite polarity. This means double the resistance and double the heat meaning double the energy loss. Which would make this device way more expensive so its better to just make it single way and if you want both ways, to then buy a second one.

[@props-model-shop]

I wonder if this voids the warranty...

[@AQUATICSLIVE]

Lol that is how I feel about those too. Don't waste your money. It seems they sponsor everyone on KZbin that has solar to not tear their equipment apart. Except you man!

[@timcat1004]

Could be used as a battery isolates. Like in an RV.

[@MrTree421]

that is actually exactly what that product is for: The BatteryProtect disconnects the battery from non essential loads before it is completely discharged (which would damage the battery) or before it has insufficient power left to crank the engine.

[@mehdimir1886]

Good products from victron but expensive

[@bobsnabby2298]

How is the aluminum part attached to the MOSFETs isolated from the blue heat sink? I see no isolation, so the battery voltage is directly in contact with the heat sink ??

[@bencapobianco2045]

Jehu. I know of a product that will do exactly what you’re looking for using it as a solid-state relay to up the power of your BMS they are called solid-state relays and used in things like ceramic kilns and other high amperage heating element switching they sell them on Amazon I will try to look one up and re-post the exact name to look up but I’m sure you can find them if you look up “SSR“ the last time I purchased one was from AliExpress

[@thecarl168]

Those SSR a thyristor based it won’t work for this DC application by using thyristor on DC circuit, after you turn them on there is no way to turn them off unless you remove the current from the main terminal. SSR made with mosfet , mosfet you could turn them on and off like the one he tear down crydon make DC mosfet based SSR that handle 160Amps

[@pitopito7947]

Hello with this protector is capable of adjust the voltage cut off in 51 or 52 v ??

[@TheDentsRUs]

And you can program it to protect high and low voltage

[@bobby1970]

That's what the battery management system (BMS) is for. No need for the device shown in this video.

[@r.pthilakarathne3643]

Thank you..... well done..

[@kirkhaynes5452]

Jehu, I have a battery question. I built a MX type ebike with full suspension. I have an 72v (84v) battery 20s6p. And it’s a little weak on holding the load at time . I’m thinking of losing 6 pounds of weight on the bike and want to add a 20s3p pack. Can I do this or does it have to be the same size packs? Please advise?

[@timoromeo7663]

do you have a cutoff saw???

[@walkaboutturtle9102]

Great video I wish I watched it befor I bought one of them now I goto run another wire for the charge side of things witch is probably a good idea anyway

[@troys.7]

Awesome video I always wanted to tare something like this apart!!!

[@craigslist04]

Entertaining and educational. 😆

[@Damjanhd]

you should open that totally to see what is inside.

[@sams5803]

I love it! that was great! Lol I love tearing stuff apart

[@james10739]

Well that other unit if would be good for low temp protection I know lithium iron phosphate batteries can be discharged at a lower temp than they can be charged

[@fc436]

If is 2 way how can stop only chargers or only loads? You must put 2 together? Battery protect have not Only under voltage protection. Have also over voltage (obviously to stop the chargers and not loads) Have control relays to pilot a sirene or light or what you want. How can use this different purpose function if is a 2 way fet relays? I power one with 2 thermal switches in series put on each battery of parallel. If im not in RV and rv is under big charger and 1 battery cells short, can burn my RV because absorb never ending the max current. But the thermal switch at 50 c open and separate all chargers from 2 batteries. Yes the good will discharge into the shorted battery but with ridiculous current and any fire. I go back and can resolve the problem.

[@mrfunkington]

Too expensive to buy 2, but cheap enough to destroy one. How does that make sense?

[@jehugarcia]

So you don’t have to..... simple concept really not sure why so many of you are having trouble with it

[@ChVovan]

Great review 👍 I love it, you make me laugh))

[@bobby1970]

I don't understand the purpose of this device when the battery's management system is supposed to protect the battery?

[@Marginal391]

Thank you 👍✔️

[@EcoNeato]

funny and interesting, thanks, they are also very quirky to program!

[@haythamabdalsattar2947]

You always doing good job that we all learn much from you. But victron is bad idea its over expensive products. Pls don’t help these guys to sheet customers with the over prices

[@maddogives]

Brilliant video Jehu. 😂. Destroyed it 👍

[@stevelaminack1516]

This is the kind of stuff that makes this channel confusing and impractical to use to build these projects. You provide a link, "Get This Instead" but the link goes to batteries not a similar device to what you are featuring in the video.

[@jehugarcia]

That’s a good product, they do what you expect them to do and they do it well. Where’s the confusion?

[@stevelaminack1516]

@@jehugarcia For one as I said above you provide a link suggesting (Buy this instead) that you have found an alternative but it's a link to batteries, that is confusing when the whole video talked about this device you featured and not batteries.

[@TengizAdamashvili]

@@stevelaminack1516 I agree, so the device in the teardown doesn't support charging, logically you'd expect to find a link to an alternative, that does the job, especially if you call the link "Get this one instead", but it leads to batteries. So there is a problem and no solution.

[@garyphillips8079]

awesome, that was awesome!

[@dj13579100]

Could u not build your own

[@md11199]

I vove your content😆

[@shitina.bucket9699]

Do you think it would be alright using this on a 3000w 24v inverter?

[@StarJackerSRL]

No. As i have found on many forums, when the BP reconnects the capacitors in the invertor have such a high inrush current that it fries the BP. So this item is useless.

[@ScinnerNo1]

Got to hand it to Victron though, great marketing strategy ;) I'll bet they had to ADD components just to make it directional 🤣

haha.. i like the way you lett Victron now that bin lite pist off.. that you ned two different units.. haha..haha

[@stevenhiller2253]

What ever happened to that space x battery?

[@grumpyjohntxredneckrc6346]

LMAO Epoxy Is Hard To Tear Apart, Your Too Funny!!! Then Send It Back Because It's Broken... HaHaHaHa!!!!

[@alanblyde8502]

You crazy bugger 👍🇦🇺

[@JerrePictures]

I m not a Victron lover but I know a bit of it and was laughing so hard with this video your info about you needing 2 is so wrong. but thanks for make me laugh

[@TheDentsRUs]

This are use to control relay

[@charliehikes6108]

😂😂🤣🤣🤣 that was hilarious!

[@UKsystems]

the first few secconds show that you have not completed there training there is in depth reasons why it is this way but you don't understand and blame them

[@CGreciful]

I use a BP-220, but am looking for a replacement solution. The critical flaw with this thing is the short circuit protection. Like that's not your job dude, it's my fuse and breaker's job, you're not special. The stupid thing thinks there is a short circuit every time my charger disconnects. Resets my inverer & computer and ugh, so annoying. Critically flawed product in my opinion. Thinking of going back to my contactor and take the efficiency hit, better than this headache.

[@jehugarcia]

So this sucks because it doesn’t do much but the little it does doesn’t do it well..... yeah I’m a real jerk for not liking it.

[@ABRITUSS]

Mosfet??? ❤

[@johnakin6168]

Haha "It just a bunch of green stuff"

[@htmagic]

Jehu, sad that you had to cut that apart.

[@jehugarcia]

I’m a mexi -Can

[@richardmorenski5217]

Interesting what is inside but you unfortunately don't finished the job...

[@chavorucosnkombies]

I would have given up with the grinder

[@markclark787]

US version of BigClive

[@gacherumburu9958]

👍

[@chavorucosnkombies]

"Its just a bunch of green stuff" este guey😂🤣

[@karldingbat]

I have had nothing but trouble with victron stuff, had a victron 1600va sine wave inverter, used it once then caught on fire 👎

[@jehugarcia]

Don’t say that out loud! the Victron fanboys will set you on fire for that

[@fc436]

I know dozens of ignorant diy solar people's that cought fire all types of things and destroy a lot of batteries and they affirms they are not responsible. Half of people i see work with solar at home and RV don't have reeds 1 manual in their life. Only KZbin charlatans. More than half of diy installations i see are wrong. For me the inverter broke down is 50% do to bad use and 50% do to defect manufacturing. If is a defect you have warranty. My friend is victron seller and change under warranty a lot of things that we know are totally users responsibility. And he accepts to send on warranty and victron to.

[@yaghiyahbrenner8902]

there is a ic on that board what is that for ? 3:43

[@sams5803]

It looks like a bunch of little mosfets put together to make 1 big one

[@Damjanhd]

for 200A what do you expect?

[@sams5803]

I am not saying the design is a bad one

[@sreekumarUSA]

111520/0137h pst. You are right, in your observation. I’m not criticizing negatively, but there seems to be many add on devices to PV systems, in the market; which are redundant items. The company sells Battery [LiFePo4]for PV Systems that incorporate a BMS, built in. The BMS shuts down the battery if it discharges beyond the limit or overcharges beyond the limits. You are right and saves some cash from buying the redundant item, altogether. Thanks, stay safe and 73s...* *73s= regards {Radio lingo}

[@BAGINAZARD]

Lol returning for *a full refund!*

[@yankywettenstein737]

Make sure you have the right tools Takes out a grinder 🤣🤣

[@kaikudoucb7955]

Lol not going to work, let's take it apart and see how it work.

[@onjofilms]

lol, return to Amazon.

[@teslafudge1585]

a bunch of green stuff, and things, im dying

[@pulesjet]

LOL I never was a Victron Fan. Like many other Australian outfits they think they're special. Yep, it was just a switch. A Solid State Relay a fraction the cost would do the same job.

[@adon8672]

Victron is from the Netherlands not Australia. I too think their products are rather expensive. I'm happy the Chinese are giving them a run for their money these days.

[@oxian9439]

lol jehu 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TheEcono]

Destroy and return 🤣

[@DIYwithBatteries]

That's what exactly everyone do..! 😂

[@frankz1125]

I hate victron products. Way too expensive for what they do.

[@frankz1125]

I hope you film the return of it to the victron store. That would be great

[@tomstdenis]

Their MPPTs are alright. I started my PV adventures with EPEVER gear and let me tell you you get what you pay for. The EPEVER gear (I have a 10 and 40A models) both work but they're slow to track (like really slow, like taking 10+ seconds to react to a cloud clearing out of the way) and the interface is garbage. Whereas I have their "smart" bluetooth MPPTs (50A and 100A) and while the interface could also use work the MPPT side of it is very good. A hell of a lot faster tracking, better stats gathering, more knobs to control (and easier to control them), etc...

[@frankz1125]

@@tomstdenis I like the Fangpusun FM series. 50% cheaper then the outback

[@imval_tech]

@@frankz1125 Fangpusun are just stealing the design and firmware from other devices. They are shit quality and might blow you house. Good luck.

[@frankz1125]

@@imval_tech just my opinion. I've used them for years

[@arlissyoung8899]

I guess for me, I have never and never will understand how people can waist money and products like this. Even if I had wealth untold I would never waist money in such away. Then again this is America where people have no thought or care about being so waist full. I guess thinking about how many people out there have lost their jobs and homes at this point in time and would love to have the money that was waisted on this "lets see what's inside" It's truly sad to see what this Country has become, the older I get the more I understand why this Country is falling.

[@jehugarcia]

Funny you mention the “what’s inside” KZbin channel, it’s one of the fastest growing most successful ones out there. That guy has made millions tearing stuff apart, what waste are you talking about? Sounds like you are stuck in the past and you don’t actually get how the modern world works .

[@arlissyoung8899]

@@jehugarcia I guess if you where raised to respect what you have and try to take care of it that would be "stuck in the past" I wasn't raised in a wealthy family, where you could destroy something to see how it worked or what's inside it. I guess that's stuck in the past. We didn't have money to destroy the things we had to get another or something better. So I guess that's being stuck in the past also. I have taken apart many things that no longer worked to see what may have failed or if it could be repaired. I am sure you have money hand over fist, seem to have a large following. Like I said older people see things a little different because we didn't have everything handed or given to us we had to make our own way, money and the likes. Like I said looking at what was done to see what's inside seems like a waist of money to me. I don't have that kind of money to through away, so yes I am stuck in the past like that. I would have had to actually returned it for something else or a refund. You even said, I don't know how this works on the board, so was it worth it? I guess with the amount of money you have it was a drop in the bucket. The time is fast approaching when everything is going to change in America. That drop in the bucket may come to play soon!

[@richpalmisano1740]

"Dont order this thing cuz you might get this one..." 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@yidai108]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@fc436]

I don't understand the sense what you say. Ever is possible to make better things. Why are boats and car if you can make a vehicle that go both on street and water? Why computers have for years a CPU, a GPU, memory, etch on separate components if was possible to put this things on a single chip from decades? Why all companies makes inverter and chargers if is possible to do both tasks in the same device with the same transformer? Why makes mppt charge controllers and alternator chargers if a single device can do both tasks? If a company decides to make a product have her reasons. We must destroy all diodes in the world because they allow Only one direction current? I don't understand really. You create another device with different characteristics. Maybe far better? I don't know. But if i make a one sense fet relays is not Only to sell more.

[@wisecitizenry2844]

This guy is not very bright

[@dougle03]

It's designed for load take-off, charging is done the battery side of this device! - Seriously, would a quick google search have killed ya......! - what a waste!

[@jehugarcia]

Go ahead and buy two for the price of four. I just googled “gullible” It simply said Peter Kay

[@MrTree421]

@@jehugarcia Well he is right though. You bought something believing it would do A but infact it does do B. A google search would have shown you it doesn't do A but B. It's not their fault you bought a device unfit for your application.

[@MikeSmith-ig6iw]

Should of watched Will powers review an at least learned how to hook it up.

[@jehugarcia]

I have no idea what you are arguing, I never said it’s anyone’s fault, I simply said the device is stupid

[@giorgioarmignacco1346]

@jehugarcia those are discrete N mosfets , they are directional , they can't work with load and source sides swapped , even the BMS boards you have on you PCB kit have two set of MOSFET , one for charging and one for discharging

[@rubensalazar6302]

HAHAHAHA 😂

[@MikeSmith-ig6iw]

I think I like your channel better when you actually built batterys. They were great still watch them. But lately a real snooze maker. So as a long time VEIWER please go back to building batterys. Thanks still subscribed.

[@pauld_sh]

He was building a battery in yesterday's video and in the video before that one as well. Interesting series

[@MikeSmith-ig6iw]

No the battery was alread built. I talking starting with regular 18650s charge, discharge, and repack solder or spot weld fuses. In other words build a battery. Not put two batterys in parallel or series that's putting someone else's batterys together . Or slapping some batteries in some pc boards. Hands on get DIRTY an build a battery. Like the sombas battery. The 7s 24v battery packs. Let's not forget the better than a Kodiak generator BUILT the battery packs. Video was one of the best diy solar generator videos out there one of.

[@RobinHagg]

Ha ha.

[@lnxpro]

disliked it only because you are returning it to amazon, then some clown there is going to "inspect" it and put a sticker on it and sell it on warehouse deals :( ended up with a lot of broken crap from warehouse deals to the point where i stopped buying anything from warehouse deals.

[@ScinnerNo1]

To be fair, he warned us about that in the end 😉 And to be honest, Jehu is far too lazy to return it so don't worry about it 😂

[@sfcroman]

Lol!!!!

[@ibrahimalmaleh]

Its not right to damage product then simply return it to Amazon. First and last video to watch here .

[@jehugarcia]

This video will weed out all the idiots who can’t recognize a joke...... that’s right go away you delicate snowflake

[@rickrandom716]

Hahaha delicate smow flake. Please go and cry to your safe space untill your a hole stops hurting. Lol

[@oldricky]

So you'd rather have two pieces of cheap Chinese junk that blows up your entire battery pack? You are right about one thing, you don't know what you are doing!

[@wrndlabs]

Victron is overrated, twice the price because you are paying for marketing en subsidizing client support for returned failures. Ps, I am an electronic engineering that works full time on power electronics.

[@jehugarcia]

Why does that circuit not like reverse flow? They seem like regular 60v 200A fets

[@imval_tech]

@@wrndlabs You're paying for research and development, quality products and support. Try and find 5 years waranty on Aliexpress that you can actually rely on. Victron stuff is tested, certified and supported. PS I am R&D engineer in power electronics.

[@imval_tech]

@@jehugarcia Because it's not made for it. The FETs are only here to switch off a load. Not to prevent charging. This is not the use case for this product.

[@jkenny1]

@@jehugarcia you need back to back MOSFETs to block charging flow from going through the body diode of the other ones. That's how most BMSes are built.

[@HADES2009SLOVAKIA]

and it cost so much for so less whats inside.

[@lasersbee]

Yeah... Good luck getting a refund after destroying the product... ROFLMAO

[@plonkster]

Yeah, I think that's an unsub.