Video 1/3 JonBenét Ramsey: This multi-discipline approach points overwhelmingly to Patsy

the JonBenét Ramsey case has baffled the public for years.
Reality is, it is a lot simpler than it looks like. Stick with the facts and it solves itself.
Occam's razor states, "the simplest solution is typically the correct one".
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Larry King interview: • Larry King Live: Patsy...
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[@daveclark8337]

The idea that someone would break-in, snatch the little girl from her bed and carry her down those wooden stairs without anyone hearing. Then spend all that time binding her up like that and THEN go back up and sit down at the kitchen table for another half hour writing that long-ass note while there's still 3 other people in the house. And when the cops show up in the morning, Patsy's still wearing her outfit from the night before? And then they refuse to speak to the police and hop on a plane to leave the state? C'mon man!

[@daveclark8337]

@@nbenefiel So the killer broke into the house on some previous day and took sheets of paper from Patsy's notepad? Then went home and wrote that long rambling note which somehow included the exact amount of John's Christmas bonus? And then brought the note back with him on Xmas day but then killed Jon Benet instead of kidnapping her and still left the note? Sure that makes perfect sense.

[@daveclark8337]

@@nbenefiel The Ramseys left the State and flew to Atlanta. They weren't sticking around to cooperate with the investigators. Murder is State crime, so they even had Jon Benet shipped to Atlanta and buried her there.

[@daveclark8337]

@@nbenefiel They left the State because they didn't want to cooperate with investigation...obviously.

[@Giorgiafan78]

Don't forget rummaging around John's desk to find pay stubs, going back upstairs to get different clothing to dress JonBenet in after wiping her down and removing whatever clothing she had been wearing before she was "kidnapped". And no one woke up or heard a thing. In most crimes, the criminals bring their own tools of the trade. Rather suspicious that most if not all of everything used in this crime came from within the house. Some will say it was to frame Patsy. Why? Did she anger another pageant mom maybe? None of the intruder theory makes any sense to me.

[@Giorgiafan78]

@@nbenefiel You are assuming a lot, here. You cannot unequivocally state what happened, unless of course you were there. This is just conjecture, your opinion. The evidence of the wrists being tied shows they were not tightly tied around her wrists. That came from JR. And yet he was able to easily slip one of the cord ligatures off one of her wrists. The coroner also stated that he was able to fit one of his fingers in between her wrist and the cord that bound her wrists. He also noted that there were no marks on the skin under the bindings. They were not tight. Further, after examining the duct tape, investigators found that there was a perfect set of imprints of JBR’s lips on the sticky side of the tape. There was also mucous from her nose. Both suggest that the tape was not applied at the outset of “the abduction”, but rather most likely after some time had elapsed.

[@lexingtonlad5745]

She took this to her grave and her husband knows this.

[@Alma2525]

John did it not patsy

[@courtneyschwab4301]

I’m not convinced the housekeeper didn’t do it with her husband and son in law. They had the key and they had handwriting samples of PR’s

[@MarcelElfers]

@courtneyschwab4301 the housekeeper has been excluded as the author of the note. Also, it is extremely hard to accurately mimic someone’s handwriting. For a trained eye, it’s nearly impossible.

[@cici2562]

@@courtneyschwab4301from what I have heard, a lot of people had keys to that house. I feel that this was a very well planned crime. That involved more than one person with possibly more than one motive. Obviously, that note was set up to make it point right to the Ramseys, including the bonus amount. But that would serve two purposes. It would implicate the Ramseys if the perpetrators didn’t get their money and would be more easily accessible from a bank for the Ramseys to withdraw and pay out if they did. I do wonder if Patsy was forced to write the note at gunpoint or something, believing that her daughter had been kidnapped. I think the motive may have been money and murder for different parties involved. And that’s possibly why Jon Benet was hidden in that room in the basement. I obviously don’t know and these are only speculations, but I just don’t believe that the family committed this crime.

[@Skipbo000]

@@cici2562 the family didn’t commit the crime. The son Burke accidentally fatally injured John Benet, with either a flashlight or some heavy object when they were roughhousing possibly arguing over food. Anyone who has grown up with boys as siblings knows how crazy it can get sometimes and violent even kids don’t care and don’t measure the severity of their actions. When the parents realize what happened they had to make a decision say goodbye to both their kids because Burks going to Juvie or set up a scene and save burke. They had all night to think about it and set the scene. Patsy was still in her clothes, and Patsy wrote the note. That’s just common sense. Can anyone prove Patsy wrote the note? Well that’s a little more difficult because handwriting analysis much like teeth work analysis is not an exact science. There’s no DNA in handwriting. But when you read the note and look at it, common sense kicks in and they should’ve arrested Patsy and let a jury decide rather than not charge them for fear of not winning because they couldn’t prove that Patsy wrote it. But if Patsy wrote that note which she did then the case is over. Also, with all of the media attention given to this case, and with all the time that it’s gone by, they still haven’t found the killer? Wouldn’t you the father be completely and totally outraged that no one has been charged? Wouldn’t you be going on the news criticizing the police encourage encouraging others to help or even demanding that the FBI take over the case you’d be doing something you wouldn’t just be going in living your life saying oh well we never found the killer. Also, as the father wouldn’t be spending the rest of your days on this earth committed to searching for this person much like the family from England McCann.? John has remarried moved on with his life. Burke is giving interviews laughing with a smirk come on. We’re not stupid.

[@dano3952]

Patsy was all about keeping up appearances first and foremost.

[@diannenash2703]

She covered for John.... No father would strangle his own child for no one but himself. He is the Garrote maker n that means he killed her!!

[@MarcelElfers]

@diannenash2703 in principle, I agree. Context is needed and changes things. I do believe John placed and staged with the garrote. However, I also believe that Patsy struck at John with the power to hit an adult and accidentally hit JonBenét. They believed in their panic she was dead, and decided to cover it up to avoid jail. Patsy struck at John because she believed incest was taking place. This is why the a dictionary was opened and ear marked the word incest.

[@toddjohnson271]

No....a former beauty queen that parades her 5 year old in sexy outfits and tours house at Christmas? lol

[@thomaspalazzi7795]

Right." She was just a Patsy"

[@emarie1513]

@@MarcelElfersit’s clear Patsy wrote the note, but it’s so hard to imagine the kind of accident that would have killed JB that was so damaging to their reputations that staging a sick sex killing and writing a long ransom note was a sensible option out of their dilemma.

[@bonarges1]

Best analysis, clear, simple, and logical. Throws away all other nonsense investigations. As to why, this crime has never being officially solved is mind boggling. I think this crime is straightforward and points out to only three suspects. I also believe that John had or has a lot of political influence and therefore made every attempt to cover and protect themselves.

[@nickieglazer33]

High probability that he was a M-son, as is G. McCann and ex PM G. Brown. This is how they work. There are many similarities in both cases. 👁️

[@protochris]

Without the ransom note, no one would have thought an intruder entered. Since we know the ransom note was written inside the house, this makes it more likely it was part of a ruse.

[@protochris]

@@nbenefiel The DNA is blended, and could have come through incidental contact. Here's the problem with the print theory. The supposed intruder was smart enough to wear gloves when writing the letter, handling the pen and flashlight, but took off his gloves when he attacked her?

[@AllisonLansberry]

The DNA was very recently found to be DNA from several people. New testing dismissed the theory it was one " Hispanic person "

[@Giorgiafan78]

@@protochris Exactly. The DNA evidence is weak IMO, certainly not a slam dunk to make the intruder case. The palm print found in the basement on the door of the wine cellar that was first unidentified was later identified as being made by JR’s daughter Melinda.

[@toddjohnson271]

@@Giorgiafan78 electricians and workers were in that basement. No hard DNA of intruder.

[@cecily387]

I don’t know who killed JonBenet, but Patsy 100 percent wrote the ransom note. In an interview, she was asked if she believed whoever wrote the ransom note had something to do with JonBenet death. She hesitated, but stated, yes. Guilty as sin!

[@MarcelElfers]

True. I am not sure what interview you are referring to, but in this Larry king interview, she states with compassion that “the killer wrote the note”. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5jcXp6ford9bbs

[@cecily387]

@@MarcelElfers She says the same in this interview. Once again, guilt! If she had not written the ransom letter, I would have never ever believed she had anything to do with her daughter’s death. At the end of the day, you just never what persons are capable of.

[@AApr1374Jo1881]

@@MarcelElfers Patsy had to get emphatic to lie like that on the Larry King Live Show. Patsy did not kill Jonbenet. & there was no intruder.

[@MarcelElfers]

Exaggeration is a trait to convince of the opposite.

[@AApr1374Jo1881]

@@MarcelElfers Patsy knew she wrote the ransom essay however she also knew she did not kill Jonbenet. Steve Thomas kept saying "so do you agree whoever wrote the ransom note killed Jonbenet." Patsy did not want to answer so she had to build up momentum to lie. I have done it myself when i have had to lie when I did not want to but kept being needled about it. I recognize her behaviour. (do you really think John would trust Patsy with Burke if he knew she murdered Jonbenet ?)

[@moanamoonlight698]

I can't belive they got away with it

[@vernonfrance2974]

@moanamoonlight698 If you look in to the case you wouldn't be able to believe the BPD ignored likely suspects like the housekeeper, Linda Pugh, Michael Helgoth, Santa Bill, and Chris Wolf.

[@sandraknight4751]

But...did they?

[@alliswhat]

I agree

[@MaryCarson-e2h]

They didn’t get away with it. Believe because John and Burke are both alive.

[@ryanhale4116]

I teach my criminal psychology students: if the scene seems staged, who would want to throw off law enforcement? If it seems like somebody doesn't want the crime solved, who would want that and why? The people muddying the water are the people in the house in this case. A stranger knows the entire world are suspects and an investigation must narrow it down. If it was someone in the house they would NEED to complicate the scene.

[@Bootmahoy88]

It's just another good example of extremely poor, no, egregious CSI performances. It was right in front of the first responder officers, right there, and they either didn't want to believe it or they were just plain stupid. It's probably the latter. Mom and Dad were probably in on it. Dad probably got a little too frisky with Jon Benet, and she was probably going to talk, so.....Look at how Dad talks. Observe his body language. Observe Mom's while you're at it. Stupid cops. Terrible forensics. Did they check Dad for any fibers or hairs? Apparently not. Stupid.

[@michaelb.42112]

I am 53, so I was in my 20's in the 90's and clearly remember this case, along with OJ, Menendez, etc. The 90's were CRAZY and memorable, to say the least. I always wanted to know the results and when Gary Oliva was looked at I felt a sense of relief, but after seeing your 3 part series I am CONVINCED you are correct. It's so tragic, and needless, especially if she was terminally ill with cancer, but that speaks to the narcissist in Patsy.

[@zappababe8577]

Yes, very good point.

[@vernonfrance2974]

Not only was the crime scene staged but it was done in a way to try to direct attention towards the Ramsey's. *The Samsonite suitcase under the broken window in the basement. Inside was a duvet with John Andrew's semen stains on it. Who was in charge of doing his laundry? * The broken window. Why wasn't it repaired? Both John and Patsy said in separate depositions that the Pugh's knew about it. Mervyn was supposed to repair it while the Ramsey's were in NYC at Christmas time and Patsy said she and Linda Pugh worked together to clean up the shards of glass when Patsy and the kids returned from the summer at Charlevoix MI. * The favorite white blanket and Barbie nightie. Who knew that they were JonBenet's favorites and that there was a second floor dryer that was used just for Jonbenet's laundry? * Burke's knife. Linda Pugh said she hid it and only she knew where yet it showed up in the basement crime scene. * The unflushed excrement that was in the basement toilet. Patsy testified under oath that she had given Pugh the task of cleaning it up and Linda later told the press that there was excrement smeared on JB's box of Christmas candy. Since she wasn't in the house after the 23rd how would she know about this? If it were true why wasn't it listed on the lists of evidence collected? Why wasn't it tested for DNA? * Why would the amount of John's Christmas bonus be used for the ransom? Who would have thought that only the Ramsey's would know this amount? It seems unlikely the Ramsey's would have chosen this if they were guilty since a much larger demand would be reasonable considering their wealth and the fact that kidnappings are not undertaken for chump change since they can involve the FBI and bring the death penalty. Furthermore, the Ramsey's would have known they would not have to pay a red cent since they would have realized there were no kidnappers if they did it. * The oversized "Day of the Week" panties were stored high in a closet as they were bought for JB's older cousin. Who knew they were there and could have told their location to co-conspirators? * The flashlight. A neighbor heard a clank of metal on a hard surface around the time of Patsy's call to 9-1-1. Why would the flashlight have been left upstairs yet a baseball bat with carpet fibers from the basement rug was thrown outside the Butler Kitchen door? * Another basic aspect of crime investigation you know as a criminology professor is that of "Cui bono?" Who benefits? In this case, we know it would not be the Ramsey's. They had an idyllic life. A large beautiful house, two healthy, successful children, a great income, free time to vacation and many friends including from their congregation. Of course, the claim is that rage caused the crime so the person was not rational who committed it and later tried to make it look as if someone else did. Yet the two rage theories, bed-wetting and purloined pineapple do not fit the medical evidence. If killed in a rage Jonbenet would have been unconscious from a severe 8 1/2 " skull fracture. But that would have left her incapable of scratching her throat getting her own skin's DNA under her fingernails. It also would have made it impossible for her to have been the one who screamed at about 2:00 as heard by neighbor Melonie Stanton.

[@ransakreject5221]

So why on earth would the parents write a not pointing the kidnapping when they know the bodies in the basement where they have to assume it’ll be found? This makes just as little sense as a stranger doing it. Whoever did it… the note is bizarre. The writings of a confused mind. If anything it seems more likely a crazy perve would write it than educated reasonable people

[@paulinebuckles2310]

Thank you Marcel, I've agreed with you on all points for years now. Patsy loved her role as a corporate wife, and wouldn't have wanted anything or any deed to interfere with that.

[@paulinebuckles2310]

@@nbenefiel It was an accident, then a coverup not to enhance social status but to hold on to it.

[@virginiaburchette7192]

❤​@@paulinebuckles2310

[@3264headtrip]

​@nbenefiel Patsy Ramsey was a likely s3>< @buse survivor and beauty pageant queen with a severe untreated mental illness and likely multiple personality disorder. Look at JBRs pageant photos and videos. She was literally a living "doll", a creation of Patsy Ramsey. Patsy wanted OUT of COLO big time and she wanted to go back to ATL, to the South. JBR was an unwitting sacrifice. There had been prior abuse of the child. I believe the bed wetting could be a cause. Patsy was ambidextrous. The multiple personality disorder explains some of the linguistic issues in the ransom note.

[@toddjohnson271]

@@paulinebuckles2310 whats the accident?

[@cheriemartin3737]

Wealthy beauty queen socialite, wife, and mother dodges investigators for a sustained period of time, responding only through lawyers. This is not the behavior of an innocent party, regardless of the size of one's bank account. When Patsy finally condescends to speak, she consistently relates implausible, unbelievable stories of the demise of her daughter with a patronizing tone of voice and arrogant, imperious air about her.... To anyone with a functional BS detector, it was clear from the beginning there was no intruder.

[@markr.devereux3385]

I remind people who are unsure of intruder or not. The behavior tell us they were deflecting suspicions away from family. Without a kidnapping there would be no easy way to explain the body of their daughter. They would be suspects no 1 and 2. Burke was cleared early on.

[@marti220]

@@markr.devereux3385. “Burke was cleared early on” may have been true. But all 3 of the Ramseys were cleared at one point. The question is were the detectives correct in clearing them? It was one of the Ramseys, and I don’t think Burke can be ruled out.

[@MarcelElfers]

@marti220 the DA “cleared the Ramseys of suspicion”. Mary lace (the da) wrote this letter in 2008 upon her retirement. This was political. She has been protective of them since the start.

[@bkb04g]

How did the police never ask the obvious: why would an intruder leave a ransom note when the ‘hostage’ was already dead there in the basement of the home…??

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@nbenefiel True. The crime scene was botched but worse was the failure of the BPD to follow up on the true perpetrators of this horrible crime. *There was the Facilitator - The housekeeper Linda Pugh. Linda Pugh was the one who provided the key, the paper and pen, the insider's knowledge of the house's layout including Jonbenet's room, The Guest Room, The Spiral Staircase, the Wine Cellar and the In Ground Safe. Very importantly she told where important the telephone notepad and pen were located. Planning started at least since Thanksgiving when the Ramsey's were away doing Christmas shopping in NYC and she discovered the in ground safe in the Wine Cellar Room. She knew that she and her husband Mervyn were not up to the task of writing the ransom note or subduing John after he'd opened the in ground safe. For that they chose a mastemind and some muscle men. The Mastermind, Chris Wolf was provided samples of Patsy's handwriting, with examples from the many handwritten work assignments Patsy gave Linda Pugh. In her book "The Death of an Innocent," Pugh boasted of knowing Patsy's expressions and handwriting and of having these samples of her handwriting. *There was the Expediter - Santa Bill *The Mastermind - Chris Wolf had the education and training to compose the ransom note and the expertise about movies of the adventure genre. From practice he was able to write in a manner very similar but still different from Patsy's. You can see how similar his handwriting was to the Ransom Note here: *There were two Muscle Men - Michael Helgoth and one other. Helgoth had told John Kenady in late November that he and an accomplice had a "killer deal" lined up for around Christmas. Each would get fifty to sixty thousand dollars which amounts to roughly the ransom demand of $118K. He had told Kenady he wanted to find out what it would feel like to crush someone's skull. He was a known sadist, a sniper, and a pedophile. He liked to roam around at night dressed all in black. He had a weird collection of video clips, one of which was of a Disney Santa waking up a little girl. He was found dead after Valentine's Day and the BPD said it was a suicide but it had the earmarks of a murder. He was right handed but the bullet entered in his lower left side. There was a pillow shot clear through with his blood next to the bullet hole. Who would care about noise if they were committing suicide? There were stun guns, a hat with SBTC on it, a wolf dog pup matching the hairs found on JB and Hi-Tec boots. Most tellingly, he had not one but TWO strong depressants in his system. See Real Crime: Who killed the Pageant Queen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY The second muscle man was never named but he left his DNA under JB's fingernail, in blood spots in her underpants and on her leggings. He was excluded from being a Ramsey by this DNA. *The Expediter - Last but not least there was The Expediter. This was Professor William McGovern AKA Santa Bill. He was enamored of Jonbenet and wanted his ashes mixed with the gold glitter she'd given him. He himself had had a kidnapping of his own daughter and her friend 22 years to the day earlier. Oddly only the friend was sexually accosted. His wife even wrote an award winning play of a young girl who disappeared but was found strangled in her own basement. He set Jonbenet up for being taken from her bed. She told her friend Meghan's mother that Santa was going to come after Christmas but it was a secret. Trip DeMuth also found a card from Santa telling of a present after Christmas. The fly in the ointment was that the Ramsey's did not heed the warning and instead immediately called 9-1-1. Hearing Patsy's screams and hearing the terrified phone call, they knew that there would be no safe opening. A baseball bat was found outside the back door which was left ajar. On it were grey fibers from the basement rug. The fled in to the night and the BPD did not have sense enough to call in scent dogs right away. The bat was the coup de grace because we know JB was alive during at least part of the strangulation as she'd scratched her throat area and had her own skin under her fingernails. But the 8 1/2" skull fracture bled very slightly indicating she was either very near death or dead after she was struck.

[@gulfside98]

@vernonfrance2974 your analysis is very similar to what I believe may have happened. Well done.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@gulfside98 Thank you! At last a positive comment about what I believe from the investigations of great criminologists like Lou Smit, Ollie Gray, John Douglas John San Agustin and more. Also, the detailed account of the events of that morning by Lawrence Schiller, the brave attempts to inform the Police by Jackie Dilson and John Kenady, the odd connections of Pugh, Wolf and Santa Bill, many depositions under oath available on line, Wolf's letter to Carol McKinley of Fox News and his handwriting similarities to the Ransom Note, the obvious murder, not suicide, of Helgoth, lies of Linda Pugh, Santa Bill's promise to Jonbenet he'd come AFTER Christmas, neighbors' observations, the media and BPD's obsession with the Ramsey's supposed guilt and more. I think a big stumbling block has been the assumption that one person did this without recognizing the amount of planning and time and effort to carry it out it would have required.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@nbenefiel True. And there are some reasons to believe that the blow to the head came AFTER the strangulation. As you indicate, the attack was of a sadistic nature and sadists would not derive their sick satisfaction without the victim's conscious suffering. JB had her own skin under her fingernails and also skin from an unknown male. A neighbor said she heard a child's scream around 2:00 am. These things could occur if she had an 8 1/2 " skull fracture because she would have been unconscious. There are many signs that intruders were there but some would rather believe it was her parents who had NO history of any kind of physical or sexual abuse. No indication that the parents had been anything but model citizens. No evidence of pornographic materials or prurient interests. Signs of intruders: .) Animal hair, alleged to be from a beaver, was found on the duct tape. (SMF ¶ 83; PSMF ¶ 83.) Yet, nothing in defendants' home matches the hair (SMF ¶ 83; PSMF ¶ 83.), thereby suggesting either that the duct tape had been obtained from outside the home or that it had been carried outside the home at some point. Dark animal hairs were also found on JonBenet's hands that have not been matched to anything in defendants' home. (SMF ¶ 84; PSMF ¶ 84.)other fiber evidence supports an inference that some of these items from outside the home were, at one time, in the second floor area near Jon-Benet's bedroom. That is, fibers consistent with those of the cord used to make the slip knots and garrote were found on JonBenet's bed. (SMF ¶ 168; PSMF ¶ 168.) other fiber evidence supports an inference that some of these items from outside the home were, at one time, in the second floor area near Jon-Benet's bedroom. That is, fibers consistent with those of the cord used to make the slip knots and garrote were found on JonBenet's bed. (SMF ¶ 168; PSMF ¶ 168.) Then there is the case of the young woman ac costed in her own bed nine months after the JB assault and murder. There were piles of Camel blue cigarette butts found near both sites. In both cases, the attacks occurred after the families had been out for the afternoon and early evening. The girls had gone to the same dance school. In both cases the BPD failed to turn up adequate evidence to justify an arrest.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@nbenefiel My posts are so long that I sometimes I don't include all the documentation even though I should. In the case of Linda Pugh the evidence comes from her own statements first to Lawrence Schiller in his "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," and in Pugh's own chapter she called "The Death of an Innocent." This reveals contradictions between the two accounts. First, Patsy is "a wonderful kind person." . COMMENTS ON BEDWETTING: "She just put a plastic cover on the bed. No big deal to her. By the time I'd come in the morning, Patsy would have all the sheets off the bed and in the laundry." In her chapter, someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html she claims to have seen Patsy, "many times" take JB to the bathroom, shut the door and then hear JB scream. I don't believe this because if it had been true she would have reported it from the very beginning when the BPD showed up at her door and subsequently found she had identical pens and paper as Patsy's. In fact, it was from Patsy's supplies. She brags about knowing Patsy's expressions and handwriting very well and had many specimens of it from Patsy's handwritten instructions to her for her work details. There are many other contradictions from newspaper accounts. For example, she first said that only she knew where she hid Burke's knife and later she said only the Ramsey's knew. ”'That showed up where JonBenet was," said Hoffmann-Pugh. 'I would stake my life that an intruder wouldn't know to get that out of the cupboard. Someone took that knife out of the cupboard WHERE I PUT IT."' "Hoffmann-Pugh SAID SHE DIDN'T TELL JONBENET'S PARENTS WHERE SHE STOWED THE KNIFE." www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-knives.htm She knew Santa Bill and her husband as a handyman would have known Michael Helgoth, an electrician. .. PUGH KNEW SANTA BILL who told Jonbenet he was going to bring her a present after Christmas. "I stuck around with my daughter Ariana to see Santa. This year Mrs. Claus was there too. Santa looked kind of sick." PM,PT" 00. 1996-12-24: JBR: "Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas" (PMPT Pg50sb) 00. 1996-12-24: JonBenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." (PMPT Pg50sb) "Looking back, I always thought that if anybody wanted to do major damage to this family, they could do it at Christmas, because they all adored Christmas. -Bill McReynolds" (PM,PT) P 292 www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm Chris Wolf revealed a lot and confirmed a lot of what his informer, his former girlfriend at the time of the murder, Jackie Dilson had said to Steve Thomas the investigator who resigned to cash in big time on his "Patsy did it theme" which was and is so popular. Eventually the Ramsey's sued him and won. At Wolf's libel trial against the Ramsey's Thomas was forced to admit his leaks and how worried he was that a contact named Shapiro would divulge his unethical behavior. He had big rea$on$ to go with the Patsy Did It Version - his book, his lectures for hire, and his talk show and news paid interviews. As to Chris Wolf, in his deposition under oath he had to admit Bill McGovern was his faculty adviser, that he was an expert knot tier, that he had written negative things about John both before and after the murder and these confirmed what Dilson said about his preoccupation with Third World Countries and claims that John was a "Merchant of Death," for his company's alleged arms sales. There are also depositions at that trial from Steve Thomas showing he had leaked to the press, that he had discounted Dilson's information even though it was confirmed by the letter that Wolf wrote Fox News" Carol McKinley who Thomas said was his "friend" and who discussed the case with him. Police Chief Mark Beckner was also deposed and he admitted that he did not know a lot about Wolf's background such as that he had been a stripper and a convicted sex offender. He had no explanation as to why Wolf had been so quickly dismissed as a suspect despite the fact he had to be hobbled in January, 1997 then released and not brought back in until February, 1998 at which time his DNA was taken. Beckner did not know if it had ever been compared to the significant DNA not revealed until 2003 from the second blood spot. There is a lot of good information about Michael Helgoth in "Real Crime: The Killing of the Pageant Queen." I looked up his autopsy report and found that he had two strong depressants in his system on autopsy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXislKWpnLWLjpY It is more likely he was murdered than a suicide according to Detective Ollie Gray. The Burke Ramsey v CBS case is also available on line and gives a long, long list of the times in which Burke has been deemed uninvolved in any way by both the BPD and the DA's on the case. If you have any more specific questions about a particular claim I've made I would be happy to look it up again for you. I notice you have been one of the few who has tried to ward off the unreasonable attacks on the Ramsey's and it is wise that you ask for sources. No statements can be taken at face value without backup. Hopefully this will be declared a cold case and the evidence files will be analyzed. For example, I hope the source of the unknown dark hairs, not the beaver hairs, will be analyzed. DNA if available, would reveal what kind of animal it was from. I suspect it was from Michael Helgoth's wolf dog pup brought to "surprise" JonBenet. Keep up your posts and inquiries as much as you can. Thanks.

[@zovalentine7305]

Rest in powerful peace 🙏 JonBenet Patricia Ramsey 6 August 1990 ~ Christmastime 1996⚘

[@sharonmarsh1611]

It was just like mcCanns case. The dogs solved the case but money can buy anything, even innocence, supposedly.

[@strawberryseason]

Not like the McCann case! That was indeed an intruder -- a German pedophile.

[@vicksta8875]

Yup!!! Exactly!!

[@dwtbrown]

No Ransom note. Killing in a less comfortable (vacation) environment. No strange behavior afterward. Parents did not find the body. No body found. Yep. exactly the same. How would the McCanns have hidden the body where it was literally NEVER found, when there was so little time to do so, and in a place where they would not know, or have access to a reasonable hiding place. Your hypothesis is unsupportable and emotional.

[@Kira.kin23]

Can you tell me about this ? I mean i know about this case but i don’t know about dogs

[@Fonoyb]

I think McCanns are Guilty. I don't think Patsy is guilty! Or Burke. I'm not sure about the Father

[@danmcn61]

There is amazing insight into Patsy's character and frame of mind in the short novel "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie". In this book, there is reference to a special dessert of pineapple & cream, the word "Attache" is included, and the word "possession" is intentionally misspelled, just like in the ransom note. Patsy was obsessed with this book and used it to win the title of Miss West Virginia.

[@MarcelElfers]

Oh?? That is news to me. Thank you for sharing that.

[@Patti-MAGA]

@@MarcelElfersyyes, many Brodie references in the note

[@bellagrace9812]

Interesting. I'll have to give Miss Brodie a read.

[@danmcn61]

@@bellagrace9812 There is a good movie also. I think it came out in 1968 and it stars Maggie Smith.

[@gabe-po9yi]

Yeah, I’ve thought for a long time the parents knew the older brother did it and not wanting to lose him, too, John concocted the ransom demand and had Patsy write the letter, designating the $118,000 to make it look like someone with that knowledge had a grudge against John.

[@minnietrout814]

For many years I’ve believed it was “an inside job” and that the ransom letter was most certainly penned by Patsy. I decided to listen to this video, on the alert for things I disagree with. I agree with you on all points, and particularly on all observations about that unrealistically long and dramatic ransom note. 👍

[@MarcelElfers]

If you are so inclined, share with those who may be interested. Thank you for your comment.

[@MrNickpeck36]

Agreed, the other thing that got me was the oddly specific $ amount. It seems like that was just talked about and then while nervous writing the note, that was the first # that popped up and was used. Who else outside of his work and his wife would have known that amount? Marcel, first time here and very well done, the writing examples shows so much more than what I have known about this case, wow.

[@AJ11OH-IO]

Yea the letter should have been enough to convict her. After finding the practice letters as well, it had to take over 30-40 min to do. Then the police allowed her friends there while they and the cops messed so many things up. Then the father was asked to take one more search from TOP to bottom of the house and the first room he chooses is downstairs where she was found. That was odd. Even if he wasn't involved and carried her up and took the restraints off her, the cop also moved her. DNA was screwed up. I was a couple years older than JonBonet and this has always haunted me on what people are capable of.

[@BuddyLee23]

So you have long agreed with the hypothesis he is arguing for and ultimately ended up agreeing with him?

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@MrNickpeck36 You are right that that is certainly a very odd amount. You are also right in asking who but the Ramsey's would know that. The fact is that Linda Pugh, the housekeeper, and her husband Mervyn, had complete run of the Ramsey's house around Thanksgiving 1996. While the lucky Ramsey's were vacationing and Christmas shopping in NYC the Pugh's were toiling away in the Ramsey's house. They were washing windows, not a fun task in any season but especially uncomfortable in winter. Mervyn was supposed to fix the window that John had broken in the summer. And together they were to take the artificial trees up from the basement that Patsy liked to put in each room during Christmas time. They found those trees in the same basement room that was called a bit pretentiously, "The Wine Cellar Room," since there was no wine stored there and the floor was covered with a kind of fungus or mold that left footprints. There was also an in ground safe down there and the Pugh's were hurting for money. In fact, Linda asked Patsy for a loan of $2K just before the Ramsey's were going to head out for ANOTHER VACATION on December 26, 1996. This time they were going to visit John's adult kids and their friends in Charlevoix MI and then take Burke and Jonbenet on The Big Red Boat tour offered for kids and their families by Disney in Florida. So you can bet Linda did some poking around while the Ramsey's were gone on vacation. She would have had little difficulty finding out the amount of his '95 Christmas bonus, $118K since it was on every check stub he had from '96. Like most people, the Ramsey's were very busy with work, school, church and JB's pageants. The left these stubs in drawers around the house since they were of no value. Showing that Linda knew a lot of things that only an INSIDER would know, she also saw a plaque in a basement closet which John got from serving in the Philippines when he was in the Navy. It was from Subic Bay and she probably assumed that it was called the Subic Bay Training Center (SBTC) but actually it was formally called the Naval Base Subic Bay. When she 'helpfully' told the police it was SBTC she was wrong. She scoured the place for things to implicate the Ramsey's so she could get that safe opened up. She probably imagined the the $118 K would be "chicken feed" compared to what was in the safe. So, at the end of November Michael Helgoth, a Hell Raiser and former sniper with a too great fondness for little girls and a sadist told John Kenady that he had a "killer deal" lined up for around Christmas. He and a partner would each get about $50 - $60K. That adds up pretty close to that #118K. The reason they didn't want to make the ransom too high is because they wanted John to come to the basement safe to get the money without involving the police. The ransom note demanded that he not talk to the police and also said JB could be returned earlier if they paid sooner. The Pugh's hatched the idea but they were too old to be able to jump out from hiding to subdue John after he opened the safe to carry out the plan. They needed muscle. Helgoth was an electrician and Mervyn a handyman so it is likely they would have know each other. They also needed someone to write the note. Linda had copies of Patsy's handwriting she told us in her "book" and she also knew Patsy's expressions and where she kept her note pads and pens. In fact, she had helped herself to them as the police discovered when they went to her house the same day as the murder. Besides Linda was not that great at composing letters so they needed outside help. She knew Santa Bill a professor of journalism at the U of Colo and she knew how found he was of little JB. There were probably rumors about how his own daughter and a friend had been kidnapped the day after Christmas 22 days earlier. She probably thought it odd that only the friend, not Santa's daughter, was sexually molested. Details of this are not available on the internet to my knowledge. But guess who Santa knew. He was the faculty adviser to a Chris Wolf who had written and said some pretty bad things about John Ramsey. Being old and not in good health Santa could not take an active part but he could set JB up and she was set up. Someone told JB Santa would be coming AFTER Christmas. She told her friend Meghan's mother that and Det. Trip DeMuth said he found a card in JB's trash that also said that. What better way to get a sleepy child, just awakened, to go with a stranger than to pose as Santa Claus.? There was a Santa Suit found in the basement and listed on the evidence warrant. Coincidentally, Michael Helgoth had a video clip of a young girl wakened up by Santa and on the same reel he had a clip of his girlfriend's little daughter. The girlfriend had come home and found him under the covers naked with the daughter on the bed. Another clip he had was of the LIVE TV broadcast of the news that a little girl had been found strangled and stuffed in a duffel bag near Boulder. Odd he had that clip copied at the same time as it came out in the news. He had been a sniper so he probably did have a duffel bag. In February he would be found dead obviously murdered but the hapless BPD claimed it was a suicide. I can give you details as to why it was a murder and not a suicide if you wish. Look up Real Crime: Who Killed the Pageant Queen Part II if you want to see the details about Helgoth.

[@handybunny]

No doubt in my mind that Patsy wrote that note. Only question is which Ramsey killed poor Jonbenet. RIP, Jonbenet.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@handybunny There should be since many experts did not think she wrote the note. Furthermore, in science, there is always room for doubt as scientists will always look at any new information whether they think it is accurate or not. It is called keeping an "Open Mind."

[@marielollini9763]

A lot of people say Burke now-well at least he struck the blow & the rest was them if not her. Idk did you see a layout of their basement? Look at Dr Oz’s shows on JonBenet. Wow!!

[@Amandaaaaaa123]

Yeah it was Burke with the flashlight ​@@marielollini9763

[@m.hartyfool]

Your explanation through your professional knowledge, is right on. I have read books on handwriting analysis. They are interesting. Having you teach on the topic brings forth a depth that exposes so much more! Thank you.

[@MarcelElfers]

Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to share.

[@ChrisDefalcoblues]

The fact the writer said you better get rest is absurd, no kidnapping, just murder.

[@marian6593]

Totally intriguing analysis of the ransom note. Many others have always believed Patsy wrote it; the main giveaway being the "kidnapper's" precise knowledge of the bonus John had earned instead of a vague ransom figure being demanded. Watching Patsy's reaction to being asked during a television interview some years later if she had been responsible for JonBenet's death there was something about her denial which didn't ring true. To me, there was no natural maternal upset at being reminded of her daughter's murder, she denied any involvement enhancing her reply with unnecessary information about why she wouldn't have even considered killing her daughter. It's sad that JonBenet is unlikely ever to get justice but I can't help wondering why the local police screwed up so badly.

[@MarcelElfers]

Yes. The Larry king interview in which she said, “the author of the note is the killer” and said it with conviction. Also, when she was told by Steve Thomas she should have been charged, she said, “ I wish I was and it would’ve been a fair trial and you would’ve found your Waterloo” and immediately looked down for half a second. She could no longer face him. She probably realized in that moment it would or could be her Waterloo.

[@markr.devereux3385]

Obviously the ransom note is given to police to deflect suspicion away from the family. It follows then that the 911 call was staged and badly acted. Boy they were weaving themselves a web of lies and it hard to keep the story straight. So they lawyered up left Boulder and stalled the investigation. I have a suspicion who it was and it fits all the evidence. Who is ruled out ? A family friend because they wouldn't leave a mess for John to clean up and no evidence seems to incriminate any partyers present on that Christmas eve. An intruder seems out of the question. It is a family member maybe not the parents but John has other children he's fathered.

[@maxalberts2003]

@@MarcelElfers Whether or not one believes that Patsy Ramsey assaulted and murdered her own daughter, it's fair to say that she never came across to the media as anything but uptight, defensive and sometimes downright belligerent. Unfortunately for Patsy, her multimedia presence became her own Waterloo. She was either being given terrible advice by her media consultant (or deliberately ignoring potential GOOD advice), or, like Richard Nixon, Patsy's seemingly endless neuroses got in the way of the public persona she tried so hard to construct. Even as one feels sorry for the Ramsey's family's horrific loss, an attentive viewer will NEVER feel sorry for Patsy. Simply put, although there are many surprising--even shocking--ways a grieving mother may feel, Patsy Ramsey's way was not one of those.

[@maxalberts2003]

P.S. By the way, Patsy's public behavior was NOT that of a poised and thoughtful former beauty queen who knows how to mask a bad case of nerves. She couldn't last two minutes without yelling at a reporter.

[@markr.devereux3385]

@maxalberts2003 had to be doped up in most interviews. John sitting there stoic. I don't see either parent doing such damage to the girl in their own home unless there is something so shameful that they decided to coverup the murder and John buy his way out and it worked not very well but it worked.

[@freddie3206]

ALL THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THE RAMSEY'S ARE INNOCENT NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!

[@brettgoldstein1515]

I am 54, so I was in my 20's in the 90's. While I remember the case, I never followed it or payed attention to the details. This is a very good analysis. I went and ordered the book based off the enneagram discussion.

[@mikeyknows1587]

We don't even know if the letter was ever on the stairs, that was Patsy's claim. no pictures. the fact that Patsy had the same clothes on the next morning indicates she did not go to bed. when the police made their video, patsy's side of the bed was still made up.

[@vernonfrance2974]

@mikeyknows1587 John Fernie saw the ransom note there looking through the back door's window. Patsy was leaving on a private plane and no one would be seeing her who had seen her in the party. After a trip, of course, she'd change clothes. She needed to economize on time in order to get her kids and herself ready for the trip. How do you know Patsy did not put the covers back in place when she got up? I haven 't seen the photo you are talking about so I don't know if it has a chain of evidence that is unbroken.

[@mikeyknows1587]

@@vernonfrance2974 who the hell is John Fernie and why was he looking thru the window in the middle of the night. your whole paragraph doesn't make sense. the video the police took that morning shows patsy's side of the bed untouched. someone in that house killed this little girl. there was no way someone came in thru a basement window when there were Cobwebs untouched across the bottom of it. as wealthy as they are she would not have put back on the same clothes. she would have been in a nightgown. Also explain the pineapple that was in her stomach and the bowl on the table when they said she was asleep when they got home, and john put her to bed himself. a lot of the story does not add up. the ransom note says specifically to not call the cops. this was the first thing she did. also, the 10 am phone call, no one was sitting by the phone waiting for the most important part of the note.

[@natashasays]

You really simplify detailed connections between Patsy's handwriting and the RN. I greatly appreciate that. At the same time, you are able to give a view from 1000 feet. I feel much more in favor of the idea that PDI and possibly BDI now.

[@MarcelElfers]

Thank you 🙏

[@donwanderley7156]

Patsy worked for John at Access Graphics at one point, so she knew the amount of his bonus.

[@MarcelElfers]

yes, ..., and I think the reason why that amount was asked, was ease of access if they had to follow through.

[@freddie3206]

Don Wanderley, The reason for the amount was to let the BPD think it was someone that worked for John,

[@AApr1374Jo1881]

@@MarcelElfers it was to point the finger at someone at John's job.

[@vicksta8875]

​​@@MarcelElfers Exactly. That money was direct deposit into his bank account... Easy access... Money wouldnt be "Marked"...

[@vernonfrance2974]

@@freddie3206 The reason for the amount is that the intruders, with help from the housekeeper, wanted it to point to the Ramsey's. But it does not make sense that the Ramsey's would not have placed a much higher demand if they had written the note. They would have known they were never going to have to pay it. Moreover, the notepad and pen would not have been left in its usual place and they would have replaced the one they used with a new one which they had available. The housekeeper had identical pads of paper and pens found at her home the very first day by the BPD. She ended up changing her story about a lot of things which is a good sign of untruthfulness. She had full run of the house at Thanksgiving while the Ramsey's were in NYC Christmas shopping. John had check stubs from '96 in drawers and they all had the amount of the '95 bonus on them. Linda Pugh changed her story about how Patsy reacted to JB's bed wetting, about Burke's knife, about the broken window. She knew where JB's clothes were washed, where the room was with the hidden safe, the Ramsey's schedule and the fact that the dog was going to be with the neighbors during the Ramsey's trip to Michigan and then to take a cruise with the small kids on Disney's Big Red Boat in Florida. She had a key and by claiming she needed a loan from Patsy but said she couldn't pick it up she had an alibi for not coming in before the Ramsey's went on their trip. But if she were really worried about her sister evicting her for back rent she would not have waited to come get the $2K that Patsy agreed to. She claimed that feces were smeared on a box of Christmas candy but since she wasn't in the house after the 23rd how would she know? She bragged about how well she knew Patsy's expressions and handwriting and that she even had many copies of Patsy's handwriting from the assignments that Patsy would write out for her each day she came. At first she said Patsy did not make a big deal about bed wetting but in her Chapter she claimed she "many times" saw Patsy take JB to the bathroom, shut the door and then hear JB scream. If this were true she would have told Lawrence Schiller that for his book but instead she claimed Patsy was the nicest, sweetest person. When people radically change their stories they are lying. Why they would want to lie is generally because of guilt.

[@jf2849]

I always thought it’s incredibly unlikely that someone would try to get a ransom when they don’t even have the victim. Sure you could lie and say you have someone in hopes of an easy payday perhaps but would you do this knowing the body is in the victims house and will soon be discovered ? It’s as simple as once the body is found you’re not getting whatever money you asked for. Nobody thought they were going to collect any money the ransom note was staged.

[@vernonfrance2974]

​ @jf2849 At the Wolf v Ramsey Libel Trial six expert graphologists found it unlikely that Patsy wrote the letter. On a scale of one to five, with five being the least likely she came out as a 4.5. And these included graphologists hired by the CBI. One of them even thought Wolf was the more likely to have written it. The Ransom note has indications that it would have been illogical for the Ramsey's to have written it. *Why would the use an amount that only they would be expected to know ($118K) was the amount on John's Christmas bonus of 1995. It was on every check stub but only Linda Pugh would have had access to those stubs except for the Ramsey's. *If they had written Ransom Note they would have known they'd never have had to pay it so they could have made it for a more believable sum, like a million dollars. * Why would they used the very same pad with a pen just like the one they kept by their phone if they were the ones writing the note? They would not have been that stupid.

[@Bootmahoy88]

It's just another good example of extremely poor, no, egregious CSI performances. It was right in front of the first responder officers, right there, and they either didn't want to believe it or they were just plain stupid. It's probably the latter. Mom and Dad were probably in on it. Dad probably got a little too frisky with Jon Benet, and she was probably going to talk, so.....Look at how Dad talks. Observe his body language. Observe Mom's while you're at it. Stupid cops. Terrible forensics. Did they check Dad for any fibers or hairs? Apparently not. Stupid.

[@jf2849]

@@nbenefiel well yeah this is exactly why there was no kidnapper. The Ramsey’s were almost certainly involved.

[@Giorgiafan78]

​@@vernonfrance2974 For fair context, it should be noted that 2 of the graphologists were hired and paid for by the Ramseys, and even they could not rule Patsy out as the writer. The experts that had worked on the case with LE and the CBI could not rule her out either, and two stated it was probable that she did write the note. I think it is more illogical to think that an intruder wrote the note. It makes no sense that someone who has broken in to the house would take that amount of time to write a lengthy ransom note and risk being found in the house. Additionally, after the death of the child, there are only two scenarios that make any sense if it were an intruder. The intruder flees the scene of the crime because the kidnap victim is dead. Or, the intruder takes the body from the scene so as to make the parents believe it was a kidnapping and not a murder. There would still be hope of getting the money. But for an intruder to leave the dead body AND a rambling ransom note that they took the time to write makes zero sense to me. I believe that whatever happened to JonBenet that night was an accident. The Ramseys made the decision to cover it up. But they are not familiar with covering up the scene of a crime and a death, and they were also most likely in a state of panic. They did the best they could which has turned out to be pretty effective, but they made mistakes along the way. Which is why so many are convinced that someone in the family is responsible. Why use a pad and pen from the home? Because it was convenient. The mistake was not to dispose of those items amongst the other items that were disposed of. I think it's an assumption that Linda Pugh would have had access to John's check stubs. I would imagine that someone like John Ramsey would have kept those under lock and key.

[@cgirl111]

They never went to prison because they never once spoke to police without a lawyer present.

[@vicksta8875]

Yet they MADE A PLEA DEAL!! The RAMSEYS PLEAD OUT!!!

[@patriciafeehan7732]

Interesting. It has always been my opinion there was an accident and the part that doesn’t fit is the treatment of Jon Bene’s body. How could a parent sexually mutilate their child’s body?

[@claudiarocco4132]

Thank you🙏 Justice for Jonbenet!

[@agag3449]

I believe that she was being abused by John and others and killing JBR was her way of stopping it. It really speaks to the culture of “keep problems hush hush”

[@MarcelElfers]

Possible. But plausible?

[@luskapani9905]

I wonder if you are familiar with dr Andrew G Hodges’ work. He came to similar conclusions. He thinks Patsy hit the girl to somehow punish John for betraying her, as she saw her own daugther as a rival at this particular moment. Personally I think it was an accident, however according to the evidence as well as statement analysis there unfortunately must have been SA going on. This I think stopped John from calling for help as they could not explain the marks on JBs body to the doctors. In order to confide and cover theyboth had had some involvement in the tragedy and both didn’t want this matter to come out. What would you say?

[@Yesterwoman]

I don' think, she wanted to stop the abuse, but maybe was envious. She sound like a very narcissitic person.

[@AllisonLansberry]

Mine &, several law enforcement official I knew, felt Patsy had come across John( & possibly someone else) molesting JonBenet. She picked up the baseball bat to club John (or other person) over the head accidently hitting her daughter. JonBenet struggled strangling herself with the garotte. That's why they couldn't determine what actually caused her death. Having killed their daughter they proceeded to wipe all traces of DNA from her body, clothes & everything. I figured they wanted to get the body out of the house & tried the kidnapping idea but something fell though. Her body was probably hidden in the suitcase. Then they called 911, a bunch of friends to leave DNA & clean up. Later John disappeared moving the body where he could later " discover it". The house was so large that Burke could have slept through everything. He probably still doesn't know what happened. I knew pretty much everyone involved in this case. We had Christmas Eve dinner with the police chief at My in-laws house. My mother-in-law was second in command of the Boulder police. My best friend's brother was the City attorney. My son(12( & daughter( same age as Burke) knew the children. We went to the same church. My older daughter was good friends with Alex Hunter's daughter, and My husband's band played for Alex's birthday. I also knew several medical people involved in the autopsy.

[@MarcelElfers]

@AllisonLansberry JonBenét struggles and garrotes herself? Really?

[@jimsim777]

6:24 This is the main point I get hung up on -- why would an intruder leave a ransom note and then leave the body? I believe the Ramseys have not told us everything and now we will never know. RIP JonBenet

[@vernonfrance2974]

@jimsim777 The scenario was like this: they wanted John to come down to get the very small ransom amount out of the safe which was in the same room where the body of JB was found. When Patsy called 9-1-1 instead of paying the ransom, they knew the kidnapping would not be consumated with cash and valuables from the safe so they bashed JB with a metal bat which was later found outside with fibers from the basement rug on it. They threw it down there when they ran out leaving the door ajar. A neighbor reported hearing a clanging sound around 6:00 just before the police arrived. Scent dogs would have unraveled this right away but the BPD did not have the sense to bring them in even though they did discuss it. Contrary to the myth there was no snow back there and it was still dark.

[@jimsim777]

@@vernonfrance2974 I have not heard mention of a safe being in the room where she was found nor have I heard about a bat being recovered. Where did you hear about those things? Your scenario is interesting and not something I thought of before. I don't believe an intruder would have stayed in the house during the kidnapping. I don't see any purpose that would serve. it would be very risky to stay in the house. There is evidence to support the intruder theory but I believe Patsy wrote the ransom note which implicates the Ramseys.

[@timhazeltine3256]

​@@vernonfrance2974Really? So there is incontrovertible evidence the safe contained $100,000.00 in cash? And how would the kidnappers know that if in fact, the money was in the safe?

[@Skipbo000]

Yes, Patsy wrote the note however Burke accidentally killed his sister with a heavy flashlight. They set up the scene to save their son.

[@pinkfreud62]

I've always thought that, too. He hated JonBenet and his anger went too far. That long note is something a woman would concoct...the lettering, the excarnation points, the fancy language Patsy like to use...it all points to her writing the letter with alittle input from John.

[@MarcelElfers]

@pinkfreud62 pink freud. Ha ha. Brilliant.

[@kylermiles495]

This explanation is what I have believed to be true for years! Patsy was very much involved!

[@kdthorn]

My thoughts exactly!

[@xander7ful]

Agree. They decided they didn't want to lose Burke, so they penned the letter & came up with a story.

[@vialogan]

The best explanations I've heard...very well done! I know it's controversial but I continue to believe Burke accidentally harmed her and the parents took over to protect him. Just my opinion.

[@JRake32]

Something interesting. The kidnapper wrote the letter “a” with a cap. Many places in the U.S., by the time Patsy entered school, stopped teaching this style but not in Parkersburg, W. Va. which taught this well into the 70’s to elementary school students. This is where Patsy went to school as much of my family did and they women in particular wrote their “a’s” this way. John did not. And if you think it easy to imitate when you have not written that letter this way most of your life it is not. Your instinct is to make and uncapped letter and then attach a cap to it, realizing afterward and none of the handwriting analysis shows a post script cap, added but one

[@MarcelElfers]

Oh! I didn’t know that. That is interesting and why she used it in the ransom note

[@gulfside98]

Very interesting

[@ruthr1093]

Everything you say makes perfect sense! I never realized the basement window was as you said, I always believed someone came in it. Patsy could have been overly tense after the holidays. Who knows, and taken it out on her daughter!

[@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt]

I’ve worked in law enforcement for 14 years and I can tell you that domestic violence increases dramatically during the holidays.

[@MarcelElfers]

@electsteveallen yes. I call Xmas “the great equalizer party”.

[@margaretmorgan1551]

There were stunn gun marks on her. Would the family have a stun gun in the house acailable to use.

[@MarcelElfers]

There were no stun gun marks. They’re were two marks but not from a stun gun. A stun pistol would have puncture marks and there were none. A handheld stun gun would show “wound travel” as the body is moving and shaking around. There was no wound travel. The stun gun was non existent and perpetuated by Lou Smit for whatever reason.

[@DreamsOfFinland]

the ransom note contains sentences taken from a book photographed on the Ramseys bedside table. the Ramseys got away with murder because they had connections. For everyone who longed for Justice to be done, people like Mr Elfers are medicinal. To have someone demonstrate the obvious problems with Ramsey Version gives us all a little peace. Burke said "I KNOW what happened!" to a counselor.

[@davidwilliams4498]

All he meant was what we only know what happened. She was choked unconcious an coroner said baseball bat found outside basement area is the 8 inch skull crack which coroner believed finished her off. He said she was choked he never mentioned who he saw do it. That's what I've heard from resarchers believe what he said an meant to bekieve

[@jayclark5912]

The cobweb is covered in dust. Its been there a long time. The obvious simple answer is someone in the house did it. Only mystery to me is what one of the 3 did it.

[@Ken-s6v]

Burke had said that the night she died that he snuck down stairs to play with his toys. Also the last thing Jon Benet ate was pineapple even though the mom said she fell asleep in the car and they put her right to bed. The pineapple can was open in the kitchen with Burke's and his mother's finger prints on the can. I think that Burke went down stairs like he said and I think Jon Bonet also went down stairs. I think Burke opened the pineapple and they both had some. I think she did something that made him mad and he hit her in the head with a hammer. There was a hammer in evidence. He has hit her before with objects and has smeared poo on her stuff. He was jealous of her. I think the parents felt they had to save Burke and made the kidnapping up. If you look at the videos with the integrator just after her death you will see and here a kid who didn't have a problem in the world why because he was now getting all the attention now that she was gone. No sadness, no guilt nothing. I also think this is why Burke has been kept in basic hiding and see very few people.

[@RasberryLemonade11]

Thank you. I was watching the Prosecutor’s Podcast, which I loved on the Adnan Syed case (thought they nailed it), but I got into part 6 of their JBR series and couldn’t follow it anymore. They were explaining things away with things like “someone just forgot.” And things like that.

[@kellyjacquin715]

I believe John is still covering up for Patsy to keep the Ramseys "good" name. Even tho its already has been tarnished.

[@MarcelElfers]

Agreed.

[@kellyjacquin715]

@@nbenefiel what has he done to find the killer? He spent his money on attorneys to keep him and Patsy out of jail.

[@hallsjuju2400]

The ransom note was written with misleading evidence. Or an attempt to mislead. Why would a kidnapper point to themselves in such nonsense.

[@MarcelElfers]

That is a good question and it took me a long time why the rambling ransom note was written in the first place. I think it’s fairly easy to explain. Her demise was an accident and both parents are in the grieving stage (denial, anger), panicked, and cannot think straight. They didn’t know what to do, are highly anxious, and, in this state of mind, had to negotiate with each other how to move forward. The coercion in the note shows John was not on board but he felt compelled or handwriting would have been ousted for something nefarious. And so, the rambling note came to be.

[@winifredsmith4421]

​@@MarcelElfersThe sheer range of emotions, questionable comments, and passive aggressive attitude revealed in the ransome letter, in of itself indicates the author as someone deeply and dearly connected to the victim of this tragedy, just so sad.

[@YouButter]

@@nbenefieland get rid of the child’s underwear and put on other underwear that’s way too big. And the paint brush in her private. Poor baby was tortured and more than likely had been at some degree (bed wetting).

[@tyleroreilly8195]

I agree with you 100%. Accident or not, the crime scene was plastered with evidence pointing more to patsy than anyone else involved/suspected in the crime. Whatever the need for a coverup, the Ramseys were protecting far more people than their own family here. Their wealth and power, combined with the amount of people willing to go along with the coverup, shows just how much was at stake here. The Ramseys social circle was littered with people “likely” involved in nefarious activity, any of which stood the chance of being exposed.. whether or not they were involved in the crime.. and regardless if the Ramseys actually got arrested alot.. there were many reasons for people to offer their help or silence in order to avoid anything more coming to light. John and patsy ramsey must have been anxious beyond belief knowing the truth behind what led up to that night and knowing they only had 1 chance to stage the crime scene and begin the coverup. Going back to the first 24 hours of the crime, what you address and discuss here makes more sense than anything else I’ve ever come across.

[@MarcelElfers]

It takes a village to raise a child. Equally, it takes a village to cover up wrong doing

[@franceskajacobs2766]

💯 percent correct

[@kubektrololo7837]

It was Petsi's House. I wonder who it could point to more than her?’🙈😅

[@kubektrololo7837]

Nonsense🥴

[@savannahsmiles1797]

@@MarcelElfers what a lot of folks don't recognize is where this took place, and the culture in the state, and who does what for whom in that area.

[@Forthis123]

This was very interesting! A different take on the similarities of the writings. Thank you for your dedication to detail!

[@ceciliadanielsson9530]

The ransom note is the key to solve this case.

[@skyriverblue1443]

Yes absolutely. As does the pineapple in bowl on table. Then found in JonBenet's stomach at autopsy. Someone was awake with JonBenet to feed her that. I believe that was right before whatever event transpired to cause JB to receive the massive head injury. Remember - that head trauma was closed - no bleeding. But I believe it caused JB to either die at that point or come close to it. Only way out was all steps after. Staged scene and ransom note. Both parents were in on that. After JB was struck - it was too late for them to call 911. They would have no explanation for head injury / comatose state or death.

[@Plainandsimple25]

Brilliant video thank you. I agree with your points. Some bits of the random note stood out to me, such as 'I advise you not to provokethem'' - it seems to me that Patsy tells us in the note why she did what she did to Jonbenet, Jonbenet provoked her. "Don't think that killing will be difficult" Patsy is telling us in the note that it was easier than she thought , doing what she did to Jonbenet.

[@MarcelElfers]

These are two interesting observations. Projection may very well be at stake here. Patsy was provoked. By whom is questionable. Good points.

[@kimparker4055]

Totally in agreement. Thanks for the upload. 👍👍💖

[@lilypad1077]

I couldn't believe the costumes that child wore I read that one of her dresses cost $750.00 there are so many pics of JB in such elaborate costumes and Patsy and John always said it was just for fun on a Sunday afternoon for parents and grandparents thats a lot of effort and money for just a casual Sunday afternoon

[@margaretmckoy8489]

Excellent breakdown of the evidence! Best analysis I’ve heard so far.

[@MarcelElfers]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[@Jake-jh7bg]

Case solved. Great analysis!! I am certain you are spot on

[@MarcelElfers]

Thank you.

[@NudePostingConspiracyTheories]

Oh my gosh. Ive never seen it laid out so intelligently. I always thought these things- myself 100% with that almost comically ridiculous B-grade movie-villain letter and it being the notepad from the home and the pen etc, but I couldn’t have imagined it being so provable. And m certainly following you now

[@MarcelElfers]

“Ridiculously B-grade movie-villain letter” ha ha ha. Isn’t that the truth! Thank you for your encouragement.

[@RogueWave2030]

💯

[@NickCager]

That style of flashlight helps explain greatly why Patsy accidently killed JonBenet. It's heavy (especially when loaded with batteries) and long. When Patsy swung it towards the back of JonBenet's head as a gesture of frustration, she underestimated the strength required to stop it and she struck her and killed her. You can see this in Patsy in so many interviews. She's got a short fuse and she flails her hands and arms to express herself. I can see it happening in my head. Patsy was tired, she does so much for JonBenet, and the girl pops off while eating the food Patsy just prepared. Bam!

[@AllisonLansberry]

They proved the murder weapon was a baseball bat found outside the basement window, probably thrown out after the murder

[@gloriamontgomery6900]

Right. Many people don’t understand that Jon Benet would only eat fresh pineapple, not canned. The pineapple left in the bowl was fresh cut. So, it’s possible Patsy cut up some fresh pineapple after they got home, or served leftover pineapple from the cut glass bowl.

[@isabellavalencia8026]

The evidence does not support your theory. Food she prepared?you mean pineapple dumped out of a can?

[@NickCager]

@@isabellavalencia8026 Investigators perfectly aligned the edge of the flashlight with her skull fracture. Facts are stubborn things.

[@isabellavalencia8026]

@@NickCager You misunderstood, yes she was hit in the head with a flashlight but that is NOT what killed her. She was strangled to death with the guillotine made from the broken paintbrush from Patsy's artist kit and a wire

[@repewtadabuta302]

Most people come to the same conclusion. It's not so much the writing of the notes but the fact they exist at all. J R will keep talking because he knows no one will be found he needs to keep the narrative going.

[@angelforceforyou]

Patsy was ambidextrous!

[@alyxxd9429]

the one dislike is John

[@Artsrock36]

Wow what your saying makes the best sense I’ve heard yet

[@david-pb4bi]

It’s too complicated for them to arrange a kidnapping, just isn’t logical.

[@jennybertenshaw7694]

This case is so reminiscent of the Madeleine McCann case. The unbelievable -intruder- that didn't exist in both cases... In both cases a parent or both parents got away with murder or covering up an accident

[@DebraHarrison-b2x]

Jennifer Naso a forensic document examiner recently examined the ransom note. She said Patsy could have written the note and she also said someone else could have written it. I am not convinced she did write it soz.

[@MarcelElfers]

I am a forensic document examiner. Here are my findings. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJ3FY4ynq96ZoLcsi=7r7w-8P9ZKYd86q7

[@USArmy91222]

you are one of the few that got this case 100% correct 👍

[@MarcelElfers]

Thank you. I will leave as to what happened open. To me, this the the most logical explanation.

[@strawberryseason]

See Steve Thomas's book. He gets it all correct as well.

[@Mithras444]

Were there finger prints on the sharpe' marker from the ransom note?

[@catherinehargrave9539]

Someone in the house had molested JBR such that her autopsy disclosed injuries inflicted days to a week before her death. Whoever set up the coverup of JBR’s accidental death was trying to make it appear as a sexually motivated murder to cover up the signs of prior abuse that would be revealed upon JBR’s autopsy. It seems John’s first impulse was to try to flee by his private plane, perhaps planning to take JBR’s body in the suitcase. But once the decision was made to call 911 it was necessary to ensure that JBR was not discovered to have been a sex abuse victim for some time prior to her death. Not understanding that science cannot be fooled between injuries inflicted at or near the hour of death as compared to injuries that are older by days or up to a week.

[@kaybrown4010]

SPOT ON. Well done, Marcel.

[@larrywakeman4371]

This is t he BEST analysis is the BEST I have EVER heard, wow! Stellar. Kimberly Subscribed to all notifications!

[@brandonkersis2012]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Hey thanks for this it was great! LOVE the profiler humor you had me cracking up!! I feel pretty sharp when it comes to breaking down a story and looking for congruence. I am a business entrepreneur with a background in both high stakes poker as well as negotiating large business transactions in real estate - but oddly enough I knew nothing about this case until just yesterday! I find it entertaining how much material is out there and took a dive into it to see what the fuss was about. After a few hours I realized that there was NOTHING else I needed to see or would see that would sway my opinion other than the fact that it was Patsy involved, and I figured the most likely situation was John getting on board with her after the letter. But once I read the letter... I mean COME ON what else is there to even talk about!? It was probably an accident though I agree - or perhaps an accidental moment of rage or frustration? Was she down there with Burke? Imagine this poor girl was able to hide previous abuse and all the stuff she was going through with golf clubs, poo smearing, overbearing mom, and perhaps a pedaphile father/relative/friend/acquaintance/father/father-mother? And she was able to act like everything was amazing going person to person (adult/adult) at the dinner table always the star controlling the room!? I think people find/found the case to be so alluring and tragic because of what these realities and facts in the case might imply. Meaning if this or that was true, then it likely meant something very bad. And whether we are conscious of it or not I know two things I'm pretty certain of: 1. Patsy wrote the letter (fact) 2. Jon Benet Ramsey was sexually assaulted at least once in the 5th or more days prior to this event. What do those facts mean? I've done my research. Has anyone else? I've heard/read/ some disgusting and utterly life changing despicable acts happening - the kind of things that the average person would never guess actually existed in our world - pure evil lives among us in the halls of these pedophiles and I smell one among us somewhere now. I've done my research and opened my eyes and vowed to open others' eyes to the kind of things that are actually happening and what makes the most sense is the basement could have been home to devious sh** Sadly she was all mixed up in it and likely partaking an active role these vampires groom and manipulate and share their secrets on how to fool children and perpetuate these atrocities - and they are hooked on it. I think a likely scenario is that basement being full of more than just Christmas Story DVD's and Boy's Life, Boys Better Life, Girl's Better Life...whatever it is - there are people getting in sick kicks and killing the hearts and minds of a child to do so. Then it's unlikely they would be scared to harbor some disgusting smut collections it's always with this super rich old money guys with deep rooted families cuz they are sick enough to have their values twisted, obsessed with power and force and selfishness and occult and history. He's off busy at work all the time I bet his son was struggling... why? Was he getting into some stuff he shouldn't have? He was sent off to school within a month and the aggressive smearing? Maybe he was down there emulated adults like many kids do and found some collections stuff in the nooks and crannies of that basement maze. Whatever happened Patsy was there and up all night and their boy was likely likely involved and what else was telling was John was onboard by the time the police arrived. But he never would have let her write that letter. It's telling he got lawyers up immediately and also what's telling is that he offered her a separate lawyer. They both had some secrets they were worried about and likely both protecting one another and the family and the wealth and yada yada the dinner parties with the oil tycoons or whatever. Why do you think the paint brush was used like that? Patsy was good at keeping up a good face and act and she knows what the abuse doctors know just like her Devil counterparts do... and she made an attempt at covering the abuse. Perhaps there was abuse taking place at the very moment it seems plausible. But anyways she's likely capable of violence if she was capable of writing this letter just IMO. It points to someone that is terribly unaware of themselves who cannot put themselves in the minds of others. Some kind of disorder - and from my experience people like that have a fuse. I feel bad for her - it's guys like John who provide everything without any checks and balances, no self discovery or discernment - unable to put yourself in anyone's shoes but your own selfishness the kind of type that would write that letter and rather hide sexual abuse of their daughter lying to themselves rather than save her and risk looking bad and being embarrassed for not being a perfect family. 😂😂Annnnnyways My 2.5 page rant! I loved your video and this is a terrible terrible story and I'm just glad she's no longer in the clutch's of whatever monster that had her anymore. What sickens me about these pedos - they know all about this stuff I just learned like Hymen -10 & 2 - 9 & 3 it's just all sick and sad how big their world is we underestimate. Or used to underestimate. We need to all speak up so this is just me doing my part. RIP/Prayers for Jon and all victims of sexual abuse - hopefully folks stay focused and don't fall for the DISINFORMATION or you'll be brain dead hanging from the proverbial 'cell wall' in a far away private island in the Pacific or perhaps off the coast of Detroit... like a Foxy kinda Island!? 😮 I actually heard John Ramsey's (rumor) Father!!! actually was the person who LEASED IT OUT to Frank and Francis Sheldon. I mean for real!!!? You can't make this shit up if you tried that's why it's still going on cuz no one could in their right minds believe it. 😢 seems everything these days is all about sex. And there's clearly been a war going on between good and evil & good is the underdog because understand it's adversary. Ranting.. 😂😂 thanks again - the best video of JBR by far! Sad so few are able to get to the facts without it being plastered across their CNN tickers 🤘🏽✌🏼

[@redlegds_adventures]

I agree!! Been saying all things point to Patsy, John may have helped cover it up

[@isabellavalencia8026]

I do believe Patsy wrote the fake Ransom note and not just because of her handwriting but because John defended the author of the fake Ransom note saying they probably did the best they could why would he defend the person who wrote The Letter assuming they killed his child know it was Patsy who wrote The Letter that's why he defended her

[@franceskajacobs2766]

Excellent so well done ty sir

[@lisar4325]

This is a good analysis. I always thought it was Patsy, although I tried to imagine other scenarios. I guess the persisting question is, why?

[@MarcelElfers]

See part 2 and 3. It all ties together.

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

Imo, Burke accidently killed JB with a blow to the head. Instead of calling 911 immediately, she chose to stage an intruder crime scene. She already lost a daughter; and didn't want to lose her son along with the social stigma.

[@randomvintagefilm273]

The murderer was in the house, but it wasn't Patsy. She wrote the letter to cover up for her son.

[@nataliekimball6073]

That makes the most sense to me. Burke was eating the pineapple at the table and JonBenet snatched a piece or /2 and ate them. Burke was ticked and chased his sister through the house with the maglight. He catches her in the basement and whacks her hard over the head, fracturing her skull and knocking her out. He then takes a train track from his model train (which was set up in the basement) and pokes her in the back to test if she can come to. She doesn’t. The parents discover the horrible scene and make the decision to stage a crime scene. The adults did that but that’s the most shocking part: whoever staged that scene with the noose tight around the child’s neck and poking her in the vagina with the end of a paintbrush had to be really sick and twisted. The brutality of the crime is horrifying; how could a parent do this to a child? There’s a missing piece in this crime that would explain it, and the world doesn’t know that piece. It’s doubtful we’ll ever know.

[@doubleomega52381]

So did Burk also strangle her? She died from the choking, not blunt force.

[@zherin2063]

The "if you want her to see/if you want to see her in 1997" part is a bit off. Anyone would say about the person being used as bait or being held hostage or whatever: if you want (them) to see 1997, do this or that, or they won't. Not "if YOU want to see her in 1997." That would make more sense if it was John being held at gunpoint or whatever, that if he doesn't comply HE will be gone and won't be able to see his daughter in 1997. I think zeroing in on this part is over-analysis. If you watch the movie Ransom, this whole thing makes sense. They're totally copying the movie. Big picture analysis here cannot be lost. Here's how I know there was no intruder: The killer took her body we think down the spiral staircase (the garland in her hair suggests this), and down another short flight of two or three steps through the sunken butler's pantry, then up a flight of one or two more steps to the basement door. There's a side door off the butler's pantry to exit the house before you get to the basement...if you're gonna kidnap her you exit out that door and you're out of the house in seconds. What intrigues me most about this case is if everything went according to plan, what did they want to happen after they called the police? Did they want police to find her body right away, or did they want to come back to it later after playing their little goose chase game with the cops, and move her body? What was the narrative supposed to be in their minds?

[@gabrieledamanskyte6967]

wish millions of people who are curious about the case would watch this clip which is so clear minded, logical and detailed. It is based on the most crucial clue to the ''kidnapper'' and that is a hand note. It is hard to find a video about the case that gets into so much detail about this essential and most important evidence. I cannot agree more with Marcel when you pointed out that the note author has no criminal mindset. And that is Patsy, who's dead and got away with it. It's unbelievable this case is still cold and there's so much useless garbage being broadcasted about the never happening DNA examinations...

[@MarcelElfers]

Thank you much. Spread the word.

[@susanbelrose2767]

I always believed it was her father. Ridiculous to think it was an intruder with that crazy note

[@dottjohnson2232]

I believe the brother hit her in the head, but she didn’t d!e right away. She went to bed and then passed away. Then the crazy coverup started. I don’t think the brother even knew he was responsible. ThAt explains why the parents allowed him to be interrogated. And to this day, he still may be unaware he is responsible for her de@th. If John did it, we would see more hints of hostility towards John in interviews. And vice versa. The only motivation not to break would be to protect the son. Just my thought.

[@Yesterwoman]

She didn' die bc of the blow, she died of asphyxation

[@carmelasowens7303]

Im 69 and into JBR from the beginning. Id like this to be solved in my lifetime. Also Madeline McCann. 😢

[@bkb04g]

But WHY did Patsy do it? Perhaps JonBenet didn’t like the pageants and would fight back? Maybe it was an accident and nobody wanted to take the blame. I always thought it was Burke, and his motive was unmitigated jealousy. Makes the most sense to me. Then the parents wrote the letter and covered it all up.

[@sheilabuchanan8619]

I thought the same. Isn't Patsy dead now?

[@bkb04g]

@@sheilabuchanan8619 yes

[@gaykolargol]

What I think: 1. Burke was molested and probably Jonbenet saw/witnessed something she shouldn't have seen. 2. Jonbenet was molested and said she would tell everything.

[@bkb04g]

@@gaykolargol by who?

[@gaykolargol]

@@bkb04g This I don't know

[@cyndiessex2869]

The basement door was locked from the inside and they put a blanket in the dryer before she left that was a blanket that they use to cover her so how would an intruder know but there's a blanket in the dryer

[@carol-kp3bk]

how does a garrote accidentally throttle someone?

[@zherin2063]

What I wanna know is, if there was an impression on the pad of paper with a practice version of the ransom note, where did those copies go? They must have scrunched them up and threw them away, or maybe even burned them and flushed them down the toilet or sink or something.

[@MarcelElfers]

They were found in a trash can. There were no imprints (hood thought though) as a sharpie was used. But there were ink bleeds.

[@zherin2063]

@@MarcelElfers No, I mean where is the original draft? I understand they only found the impressions on the blank sheets still attached to the pad...not the sheets with the markings that caused them.

[@tbrdmann]

I'm of the opinion all three people in the house were involved. I think JonBenet's last words were, "I'm telling!" Boom! Burke smashes her in the head to stop her from telling on him. Over pineapple? Who knows. Anyway, at this point he doesn't know if she is dead or not. He sees what he's done and goes for help. The scream heard at 2 am was Patsy who was the first parent on scene since John uses pills to help him sleep. Her part in this is the cover up. Patsy tells Burke to go to bed. For his mental stability and plausible deniability Burke must not know how bad it is. Patsy probably told him his sister was, or will be, okay. She decided on the story of a kidnapping with the intent to move body later. This way it looks like someone other than Burke was involved. I think her motivation was protect him because she didn't want to lose both kids. As a cancer survivor she's more fatalistic in her thinking. Probably thought he'd be packed away forever and she knew her time was possibly limited. Poor John! Can't imagine waking up to this nightmare. Having to decide to go along with it. But he did to save them both. I'm sure with lots of coaxing from Patsy. Big question is why don't they get the body out of the house before calling the police? Guess they thought they wouldn't search the house since it was a kidnapping. Maybe by this point it was getting light outside. John was missing for an hour during or right after the time limit on hearing from kidnappers. That is when he went down and staged the murder in that room in the basement because he knew they were going to find her. Burke can not know he killed her. Has to be blamed on outsider. So neither parent killed her and Burke didn't mean for it to be as bad as it was. This is the only way all the pieces fit for me. I do hope one day we get the real story.

[@friedmule5403]

Very interesting, I hope you'll please look at my questions as my try to learn from you, not to play better knowing, my question is stated in this way because my English skills are severely lacking. 11:44 The author was known by the family: Is that guaranteed, could a fictive kidnapper not chose to write with the other hand to add an extra stop to make it harder, then is it not just looking at the other letters, but does in fact demand an analysis? Also, could this letter not be written by the tight hand from a left-handed person? 21:16 could the writer not have written this first to make it clear that the child would not survive if not. While your version is more "if you do not pay, do you not see her, but she may still live"? Or in shot the first version is more grave than your version? 29:12 People who drops letters below the baseline: Is that admissible or is it a more theoretical assumption? 34:13 The kindness in the letter: What if the kidnapper was a neighbor female and began to feel bad but also angry toward the family? 39:57 He is looking down when asked about the murder: I think it would be a very few who would not blink or look away from the source of the sound that reminds him of the murder of his own child, to suddenly being reminded of that, is like a slap in the face and would get anybody to look down or away. 40:31 Was Patsy involved: I think that if a normal man was asked that question and not on TV, would he have slapped the questioner in the face, but since it's on TV is a plausible reaction to look away, get disturbed and think "WTF are you sick??!!" accusing the mother of murder!!

[@tatianapavel9858]

Why practice note had Mr and Mrs in it?

[@cynthiastephens8261]

The coldest mother referring to her death daughter

[@vernonfrance2974]

@cyntiastephens8261 Patsy was very distraught the first day. After that she was sedated going out in public. She felt that the BPD were unfairly targeting her and John, even Burke was soon targeted. That would make an innocent person angry. She told the BPD to stop the nonsense and go after the real killers. As it turned out, the BPD could never find any evidence that would hold up in court which is understandable because they muffed the case and did not seriously look in to very likely suspects.

[@diamonddog4708]

@cynthiastephens8261 She couldn’t say JonBenet’s name either at any point, only ‘my daughter’ and ‘she’. It’s ‘distancing’ language, often used by perpetrators.

[@MarcelElfers]

@diamonddog4708 agreed. Statement Analysis principles applied.

[@diamonddog4708]

@@MarcelElfers indeed 🙂

[@pjpredhomme7699]

@@diamonddog4708 when she called the police - she said - "we have a kidnapping "- not "my daughter has been kidnapped" that was immediately suspect IMO - there were so many odd nuances which can only be attributed to peculiar quirks so many times - together they form a mosaic that draws a tremendous amount of attention to her

[@ConsciousExpression]

I have a theory that I think makes sense. It's the only one I know of that makes sense with ALL the evidence. Foreign male DNA was found on the murder weapon and on JB's clothes. But, clearly, Patsy wrote the note. And just as clearly, the Ramses had guilty knowledge. How do we square those facts? What if the Ramses were involved in some sort of child trafficking ring? Normally this theory would be a little too ridiculous to consider. But given the way they s--ualized their daughter, and the type of people they may have met at those pageants, it becomes a little less outlandish. This could explain why they felt the need to cover up for the killer, whom they knew. They could not have their involvement in this organization become known to LE. And it might also explain the inspiration for the storyline in the ransom note, about some mysterious organization that was out to get America. It also explains why both parents would go along with the cover up and maintain it all these years. And it explains the foreign DNA found at the scene.

[@MarcelElfers]

Foreign DNA on the murder weapon? The garrote? There is no reporting on that. Please explain why a mother would cover for a known pedophile who just killed her daughter instead of burying him in the backyard. That is incomprehensible to me. Besides, there is zero evidence a third person was in the home and Locard’s principle still applies.

[@trybebill7865]

there was a step stool right next to the suitcase prior to someone moving it. if you're an intruder, you're using a suitcase to step on or a step stool?

[@zovalentine7305]

Rest in powerful peace 🙏 Patsy Ramsey 29 December 1956 ~ 24 June 2006⚘

[@GinaPressley]

I always thought this case was weird, and Patsy was weird. How would someone know the exact amount of the dad's bonus?

[@MarcelElfers]

Yes. Dot dot dot

[@nataliekimball6073]

I think the most disturbing part about the note is the amount demanded. Coming up with $118,000-the same amount as John’s bonus-shows a deliberate tactic to implicate someone at John’s business who might be jealous/resentful of the amount, with a primary motive of wanting revenge. It’s one thing to cover up one’s own crime, but to deliberately point the finger toward someone else, a completely innocent person, implicating him/her of such a heinous crime, is beyond despicable. Shocking and sickening.

[@PericoDelgado88]

Patsy wearing the clothes from previous night, is extremely difficult to gloss over.

[@MarcelElfers]

“With hair and make-up intact” while she said on the 911 call “she just got up” and officer French arrived within a few minutes …

[@PericoDelgado88]

@@MarcelElfers And the bathroom drawers all half open, all open scattered bathroom as well.

[@paulphillips684]

Wow this presentation is amazing. Well done sir

[@MarcelElfers]

Thank you kindly!

[@Emy53]

Why use a device to choke the child, and further violate her body? I never understood why the child was violated further. Maybe the Ramsey's believed it was Burke, so they decided to protect him, and wrote the note. But why carry out such a horrific attack on the childs body....I will never understand their reasoning. I agree, the ransom note is a hoax. Under the duress they were in, that note wasn't thought out. The note was rushed.

[@Oricle357]

Well, you absolutely sold me!

[@HumanimalChannel]

Don't agree with 33. "If you want her to see 1997" IS correct in English speaking vernacular. Also... john ramsey made particular types of spelling mistakes i.e. bussiness (he misspelled occasion as "occassion" in a handwriting sample i have seen that apparently was NOT submitted for analysis.

[@MarcelElfers]

The handwriting does not match John and I, as well as other Document Examiners, excluded him. The sentence is correct English in and by itself. The mindset of the writer is addressing Mr. Ramsey. That sentence switched the mindset to the perspective of the girl while the letter is about a kidnapping and taking Mr. Ramsey's daughter away. In light of the preponderance of other evidence showing fabrication, this sentence is befitting of deception as well.

[@eddabrandes7395]

But why did investigators not come to this conclusion?

[@Emy53]

I didn't realize the details about the window sill. What about the high tech boot print, and the taser marks on the neck, on Jonbenet?

[@MarcelElfers]

The hi-tec boot print is likely a print of the show of an officer. They were wearing hi-tecs. There was no taser used. There are two types of tasers. One uses needles leaving puncture marks and there were none. The other uses to electrodes which needs to be pressed against the skin. Somebody that gets tased wiggles their body causing wound travel. There was none.

[@thecozyconstellation]

FINALLY someone intelligent that can read between the lines LOL i agree with you, but i think that burke killed her accidentally bc of the marks on her body that were probably made by poking her with the train tracks. i think that's something a child would do, to see if she would wake up. i think john then covered up for it while patsy wrote the ransom novel lol

[@roslynaubrey7766]

Do you think Burke did the garrotting?

[@AllisonLansberry]

Yes, but Burke wasn't strong enough to inflict the kind of damage to JonBenet skull by a baseball bat. He was a small, non-violent 9 year old boy who was small.

[@MarcelElfers]

@nbenefiel the stun gun theory has been debunked a long time ago. A stun gun either has penetrating needles (no puncture wounds) or provides electrical shock with flat prongs. The body then strongly moves to get away from the pain and we them see burn mark drifts. Also not present. There was no stun gun.

[@rebeccawhaley2982]

Excellent analysis! Love your channel ❤️

[@MarcelElfers]

Thank you much.

[@elizagooler-5889]

It was not groomed to be a saint but she is an angel now

[@beetweedledee]

Very well done. I am convinced all too well.

[@justinfalzon6854]

1st. Tap'n in

[@DrB81]

Regarding ‘Locard’s principle’, you could argue that if there was an intruder; they brought with them bad intent and left with a child’s life.

[@susanverhoeven4962]

Notice that a small carrot sign is used to insert words like "not" into sentences of the note. This sign is used to edit written copy, and Patsy was a journalism major in college. A male would probably use this sign only if he were formally a writer or at least a serious high school or college student. I doubt a foreigner involved in a faction would use it. Patsy wrote the note and got overly creative.