Body Language Analyst REACTS to Burke Ramsey's EERIE Body Language | Faces Episode 41

[@user-zm5tt9bq5u]

Getting up middle of the night to see "what's going on" is adult's response to disturbance in your house. Hiding scared under your blanket waiting for your parents to come up is 9-year-old's.

[@cassidy2453]

THANK YOU! I was so upset when Dr. Phil did not understand that. He was a child, and he was probably scared and confused.

[@lloydisaacs415]

That boy knows what went on family of wrongons

[@candysmith7425]

In most circumstances I would agree, however, this was more then a disturbance. I can see at first, but when your mom is screaming wondering where your sister is and the police are there that’s where it gets odd to me. I can’t imagine my brother going missing, my parents panicking, the cops at my house and I’m just chilling in my room. I can’t imagine any kid doing that actually, unless they already knew what happened.

[@andreabennett3762]

@@cassidy2453 dr phil is a joke

[@cassidy2453]

@@andreabennett3762 agreed

[@astrinymris9953]

Re: Burke's staying in bed-- It seems to me that a child living in an abusive household would have learned to stay in bed if there's weird things happening in the middle of night.

[@CatBrash]

ask any kid who is abused, they know to STAY PUT!!

[@vyonahvega3318]

and to not ask questions ESPECIALLY when the situation is tense

[@Jennysweret]

Exactly. A kid like that would learn to mind their own business very quick

[@SnapesDM]

Correct. As an abused child myself, the last thing I ever wanted to do was draw attention to myself. If the abusive parent was mad, I was hiding.

[@Booooberrie]

Or maybe it’s because he knew she was dead

[@wgnation351]

I'm not saying yea or nay on the smiling, but what comes to my mind is that he was raised by a beauty pageant mom who could have preached, No matter how nervous you are, always smile to the judges.

[@wishmeluck95]

I imagine the mom wanted a girl. That’s why they tried again. I don’t think he would have gotten the “pageant treatment” more likely neglect by the mother in favor of jonbenet. And if the father was abusing her his attention wouldn’t have been on the brother much either. He could just be frozen at the age that the trauma was experienced. Or maybe he was tired of his sister.

[@cindycottier7132]

thats a good point. His mother could of taught him to smile

[@wgnation351]

@@wishmeluck95 I don't think he got the treatment, but he was surrounded by it, and had heard his mom telling his sister what to do.

[@chandraross1506]

I'm sorry... this is so funny to me.

[@soxpeewee]

@@wishmeluck95 well seemed like the family was big on appearances at the least

[@skessaskessa]

Regardless of what had in fact happened there, the 6 y.o. wetting the bed and the 9 y.o. shitting all over the house - that's a very, VERY troubled household.

[@johannasmith4824]

This is true. There were a lot of problems within the family.

[@CutiePie-hh3gg]

Burke pooped only in Jon Benet's room

[@kimmicampbell708]

From my experience raising 5 children, I would say most kids WOULD NOT get out of bed, and would be hiding and waiting to see what happens. Bed is safe.

[@sabrina01keller57]

Agreed I was eight and a fireman came in my room with a flashlight and I didn't get up. I was confused.

[@enabell2203]

i was also a kid a few years ago and i swear to you that if that happens i will stay as close to my parents as i can because it makes no sense to be alone in a room

[@kama7823]

That's right

[@cbesthelper404]

@@enabell2203 BINGO!!

[@pknnbeach7525]

True

[@LuluLaRue]

This will sound horrible but he could have not liked his sister, been jealous and even unfortunately glad she was dead but it doesn't mean he killed her.

[@MsScully25]

@@aydiosmio1315 He was neglected by his parents probably since her birth. Being treated like that so early on probably disconnected him from his family, thus he (again probably) couldn´t care less about what happened to either of them. After her death, he probably was forced to keep up the perfect family scam his parents set up.

[@noturningback2023]

One of Patsy's friends said he'd whacked JonBenet in the face with a baseball bat the year before, so he had a prior history of violence toward JonBenet.

[@LittleBlueOwl318]

...but he did. He really did - and John and Patsy covered it up. All the red herrings also helped to deflect away us from the truth.

[@LittleBlueOwl318]

@Shane Molloy yep - I think Burke hit her over the head with the big mag light for snatching a piece of his pineapple

[@christinasanders4833]

p00

[@kelsey5596]

His defensive smile reminds me of when I (and other people) get cornered by a creep at a store or bar and you’re just hoping if you’re nice they’ll go away.

[@Smaugette]

Oh man. I know exactly what you mean!

[@grey6703]

man i hope he knew not to do that before he read some yt comment ^

[@kelsey5596]

@@grey6703 he probably did lol if not I know several women that will not be nice and just kick your ass then and there lol

[@jnorth1000]

Especially if the creep looks like Dr. Phil

[@katj3443]

Urg yes, I know that one oh too well...eyes keep looking towards an exit, waiting for a chance to get away eyes fleeting from person to person hoping someone would recognise your discomfort.

[@chrissym7014]

I think the reason why he puts that smile on is because he was trained to. His mother seemed like the kind of person that needed everything to be perfect all the time. Nothing goes wrong in their life and if there was anything wrong you better keep a smile on your face. Never show we're unhappy. I grew up like that. So I get it.

[@lucindahumphries4702]

And he was raised by a pageant mom and that looks like a fake pageant smile.

[@mikyl-fo8rh]

Maybe

[@Tracy-rf7ri]

I doubt it

[@Dalin123-t5v]

I think his Mom was a control freak. Children where trophies

[@christinelitvak6427]

I think the smirk and avoiding eye contact shows he is learning-disabled.

[@gianna4523]

I wonder if because JonBenet was the favorite he didn’t kill her but maybe he wasn’t sad she was gone. Parents can turn siblings into enemies by favoritism.

[@PrinCesA159]

@Blue Bird they aren't saying he killed her. Can you read or?

[@lucyk2371]

@@PrinCesA159 sorry I think with the comments above it bled together. .. 😐 just feel bad for the guy.

[@lk6457]

he literally said that.

[@lucyk2371]

@@lk6457 yes thank you I made a mistake..

[@lk6457]

@@lucyk2371 talking to op

[@firecat3193]

My best friend's mom called me a monster and said I was a horrible person because when I was 11 my mom had a cancer scare. At the time we thought she had it and I went over to my best friend's house to tell her and get some comfort. I was bawling my eyes out, but as I was talking my face was contorted into a weird smile/grimace. I could feel it but not control it. It was like my muscles locked that way. Her mom thought I was doing it on purpose or subconsciously because I wanted my mom to die. Like, I'm 11 freaking years old woman! I felt horrible about it for years until I learned that it's just something my body does in extreme stress.

[@aseelalshaib3231]

I’m so sorry you went through this 💔 i feel u

[@L._._]

I’ve had inappropriate responses like this before too. Laughing etc. easy to judge unless you’re in that position ♥️I’m glad your mom is ok

[@slimeboyshane]

i’m sorry for your loss back when i was a mid-teen, whenever i was being berated by my abusive step mother i had a grimace/tight lip (trying to hold back emotions) and she would get outraged and claim i was smirking mockingly but i was absolutely not

[@Celeste-jh2lj]

Not a lot of people realize some people smile/laugh when theyre nervous or to ease tension. I do it bc it was a survival thing growing up.

[@JohnsonKayla12]

I’ve done the same as a kid talking about someone’s death. I was of course not actually happy and grieved at this persons funeral a week later but that happened to me often. I feels ya. Sucks she attacked you like that though :(

[@peachpanda96]

I think it’s bizarre that everyone was so obsessed with him not getting up..he was 9. He was a little kid who’s parents were freaking out..

[@Lily-gj8jo]

exactly, no scared child is going to get up they’re going to hide under their covers

[@melissajeannek]

At 9 I’m not sure that I would’ve fully grasped what was going on. I may have been too scared to get up also.

[@marycanary86]

"oh look! a burglar! lemme get outta bed and say hi" like hell. when youre 9 lying still under your covers is THE way to make shit go away. no wonder he stayed put

[@snack_momma11]

Keep in mind Burk was raised by a Mother who did beauty pageants, I'm sure Patsy grilled that smile into Burk..

[@nobodycares99]

@@marycanary86 my family.. that's probably what a nine year old is thinking..

[@mkoenig1019]

I lived 2 blocks away from them when this happened, and I worked at the rec center where Jonbenet took classes. His whole life was JonBenet before and after her death. Patsy favored her, doted on her, and lived through her. Burke was left behind and forgotten by everyone.

[@IhaveMy0pinion]

Facts tell us what happened...facts lead to John only.

[@IhaveMy0pinion]

@@kctphotographyuk The 3 pages note kept saying " If you contact police your daughter will be killed" Why would Patsy call police to the house if she was covering up a murder and the body was in the basement.... John wrongly assumed Patsy had read 3 pages but she didn't and now police were coming to the house. ( John thought the note would scare Patsy to stop her phoning police but Patsy read ...we have kidnapped your daughter then she phoned police......

[@hydraelectricblue]

@@IhaveMy0pinionThis is such a great insight . Coupled with where the note was left. The staircase that Patsy routinely descended in the mornings. If this was an outside person I bet you anything the ransom note would have been found by the police some time after Patsy realized her daughter was missing and called them and they were scouring the house. The house is so messy. There were papers everywhere! An outsider might have put the not anywhere obvious. Like on a kitchen table or taped to the fridge or at the entryway door. A note someone is sure to see as they open the door to leave the house and step on it. But on the staircase. This is someone who knew the routine of the family. But I think you’re wrong that he didn’t want her to call the police. He might have meant the “do not call the police” to delay her reaction. But he definitely meant her to be the one to call. That’s why he left it for her on the stairs. I think even he knew that being the voice recorded on the 911 dispatcher call would have hung him for sure. He wanted to distance himself as much as possible from any involvement. Also the note tells on him. It’s so messy because he’s trying to copy his wife’s handwriting not to frame her but to have an example of handwriting that isn’t his own. He has the time to write this whole note because he’s at home in his house. He knows his wife is asleep because he left her sleeping when he got up out of bed in the middle of the night to go get JonBenet from her room and make her favorite snack. He makes too big a bowl and puts a serving spoon in it because he’s so busy focusing on what he’s about to do with his daughter he just grabs from the serving spoon side in the drawer. He isn’t use to preparing her meals so he doesn’t know how much a little kid should eat and he doesn’t really care. She eats a little and then he picks her up out of the chair and takes her down to his wine cellar. Maybe he’s going to have a few drinks first. But obviously he’s been pretty hasty that night. He was probably already drunk from the Christmas party. Patsy doesn’t hear anything because she’s drunk from the party too passed out. Burke’s asleep in his room. The reason I say the note points to him is because the entire note is basically about him and his job. This is a note written by someone who only thinks about himself. The whole ransom note is about Jon and his money and business. Then Jon is the one to find Jo Bennet because he just wants the body found so it can be over with. This is also to insure they see him carrying the body so if his DNA does show up on her there’s a perfectly good reason why. All these conspiracies about Burke and Patsy when the data has never supported females no 10 year old boys as being statistically likely to abuse children. 96% of sexual assault perpetrators are male. We know what happened. We know he had the money and connections to cover himself up.

[@kerprice]

And invited the whole neighborhood over as well ​@@IhaveMy0pinion

[@Mr.Wonderfull]

@@hydraelectricblue that could be what actually happened. In my opinion, the guy gives me the creeps. And did not one of his children (of the three he had) with his previous wife also have an accident and died ? Just found out that the child from the previous marriage died in a car accident - so no relation to the JonBennet killing.

[@TheAoide82]

Imagine being 9, and having a little sister you can't stand. She's the golden child, and gets all of mom's attention. Then, at this formative age, that little sister gets murdered, and the story becomes world famous. That feeling of neglect and invisibility would just be amplified. He's literally spend his life in his sister's shadow. I'd be weird too

[@katetroughear7915]

Especially because his whole life he never hears the end of it. I’m sure a lot of people when they meet him ask about his sister.

[@poutinedream5066]

Maybe I'm just overly maternal but I like him, can't help it. Breaks my heart seeing him hold that smile like he's been holding it for 20 years. What a mess.

[@hysteri]

Same!

[@jonnboimuhfucka]

Especially because he’s the one who hit her with the flashlight mad because she was eating his pineapple. I bet he can’t even eat pineapple now.

[@kateoleary4984]

Don’t forget people calling you a murderer since you were 9

[@sarahtavarez1486]

It’s strange how he says his mom was obsessed with good handwriting and would rewrite things if it wasn’t neat enough...if you pair that with the fact that there was a practice ransom note found...little sketchy?

[@gmv254]

I was thinking the same! And then I was wondering if they ever had Burke do a handwriting sample to compare his with the note if his mom was teaching him to write? She could have coached him through it if it was a cover up. Just my thoughts 🙂

[@carrieharlow435]

Many experts believe Patsy wrote it. Her handwriting was very similar too.

[@mrtunapie6653]

Good catch.. I was thinking the same. How likely is it that some one could mimic the mom's hand writing so perfectly in such a short time, and under emotional duress?

[@ashcatchum]

@@mrtunapie6653 you’re assuming the person didn’t premeditate and killed her on a whim. If it wasn’t a family member it was 100% someone who knew them and it’s possibly they wrote it beforehand.

[@Nikki-jn3ud]

Not to mention its not that hard to make your hand writing look slightly different just using a pencil or pen so combine it with practicing hand writing AND the ransom note

[@wellwouldntyouliketoknow4137]

I’m sorry but dr Phil is full of it. How is he going to ask a 9 year old “you didn’t leave your room to find out” no he’s 9 he was probably scared.

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

I mean... there's plenty of 9 year olds who allow curiosity to drive them. Id say its just as common as those who don't.

[@staceyann1180]

Dr. Phil is full of it most of the time, imo.

[@yourmomsayswashyourhands5423]

That's what I was thinking too.

[@thatsalt1560]

You're right about dr Phil, but he is asking the questions people are asking. That's how interviews work.

[@tumbleweedfish]

Seriously, he was a little kid. When adults come into your room and your mom seems worried, you get scared and under the blanket it feels safer.

[@shepopop]

He was not abused . In a recent case . The 911 call was cleaned up for the second time . He was awake . That call is a valuable piece of evidence . All his life , He received protection from his parents

[@lisasisk3713]

You have no evidence that he was not abused. He probably was.

[@savannahsylviaanka1029]

He wasnt surprised some strange man is walking in his room..so that happened more times?he started his answer on dr.phil with a word to explain but got stopped by phil.

[@zamyrabyrd]

Sure protection almost as bad as Prince Harry. but also spoiling from his parents, mountains of toys, plus being free to whittle wood chips around the house that the maid complained about. He also used to smear s##t around and wet the bed. He hit JonBenet with a golf club under her eye about a year before. He was an undisciplined, nasty piece of work.

[@Candy-O1776]

Why did he had issues with poop and smearing it on walls? Something was wrong…

[@zamyrabyrd]

@@Candy-O1776 He was apparently never disciplined.

[@Meganthamac]

Its almost like he’s still a little boy when it comes to displaying his emotions.

[@katiekat1819]

It is most likely due to trauma. He was definitely abused in some way or another by his parents. Trauma definitely stunts mental growth.

[@nyasiia433]

He was in a traumatic household, I feel both him and Jonbenet were put around dangerous people

[@lizmacleod8903]

I agree with you, Burke has stunted development, he is said to be a loner. His facial expressions are not normal

[@lizmacleod8903]

Children may come from rich families but grow up crippled inside, parents are so distracted making money and there is emotional neglect, some poor families children have far more emotional investment from their parents, not always though

[@gymnast2890]

@@katiekat1819 Exactly.

[@WhatTheKorea]

My daughter has ptsd and anxiety and she laughs at very inappropriate times when she’s very nervous or uncomfortable

[@sharyllee7094]

yea, sometimes I might laugh like that if I'm a little afraid of telling the truth.

[@AlmaWells]

@@sharyllee7094 - 100% CORRECT ! My extremely evil sister : Norma Ann Wells LAUGHS too much when she is telling lies !!!!!! When my extremely evil sister is telling lies... she smiles, smirks, and giggles !!!!!!

[@debbieray5629]

He doesn’t have PTSD, he did it. I believe it was an accident

[@crystalb4178]

Debbie Ray How do you know that he doesn't have PTSD? As it being an accident, it is extremely unlikely that it was because Jon Benet was strangled after getting hit in the head hard enough to fracture her skull and sexually assaulted. I think whoever (which might not be him. Only he and maybe his parents knows if he did it and his behaviour doesn't prove guilt. The behaviour of the mother of child kidnapping\murder victim Tori Stafford was as suspicious as his if not more. It resulted in many people including me believing that she was responsible but it turned out that she didn't do it. It was a child predator and his girlfriend) brutalized and murdered her intended for her to die.

[@Magdalenasfears]

I have PTSD, bipolar 1, and ADHD and I have unusual reactions to traumatic situations. I disassociate when being yelled at, I laugh while crying or upset, and I'm extremely calm during stressful situations (example, calling funeral homes to find out which are willing to pickup a covid body after being told they were going to take my dad off a ventilator because they didn't have enough, while my mother and sister were breaking down. I was the closest one too my dad, but I also am the one who takes charge in my family and knew no one else would make the calls). I also don't lie, (it's too much effort) so I don't know how I react when lying. I've recently found out from my psychiatrist that many neurodivergant people don't lie (ADHD, autistic, etc), because we don't see the point and don't catch the social cues normal people do which causes them to lie.

[@rosemaryskitchen8778]

I’ve seen a few other comments to this effect, but as a victim of childhood sexual assault, I have definitely noticed a correlation between that experience and my nervous laughter and forced smiling in response to painful or upsetting stimuli. If I’d spent spent my entire childhood being abused without any intervention, but then watched an entire nation grieve over the same treatment of my sister, I imagine I’d be pretty detached and resentful of her as well.

[@hunnybeezy]

I resonate a lot with this. I've also experienced the same, and I absolutely smile through the pain. With tears running down my face I'll still try to smile and laugh if I'm being observed. It has thrown people off in the past, and has caused issues for me. I warn people now 😅 I wish you the most healing and peace 💗

[@jerryramsey8697]

I truly hate to hear of child abuse . I hope everything has worked out for you and for any child that has to deal with that

[@untrustjacob]

sending you love 🤍

[@NationalFool33]

Amazing and valuable insight, thank you. I'd be inclined to agree with you. This is such a tragic story from a whole array of perspectives. I hope you're healing well, I'm so sorry you had to go through that. No one deserves that. Though I am glad that you are who you are and have shared what you know.

[@Daisy-Jay]

Sad to hear your experience. Emotional neglect is abuse, how it may manifest as aggression towards a sibling , making a victim look like a culprit, & how it affects development into adulthood. there is so much to this tragedy that involves family dynamics and parenting skills.

[@FreeBird1276]

A neighbor said they heard a scream that night that sounded like a child. Lou Smit did a test in the basement. There was a vent. Three investigators went upstairs to the master bedroom. Lou whistled from the basement. They all heard it. Then the investigators went to the neighbors house who heard the scream. Lou whistled again. They all heard the whistle at the neighbors house. So if JonBenet screamed, there is no way that Burke on the 2nd floor, and John and Patsy on the 3rd floor did not hear a scream. They would have heard their child / sister screaming.

[@I.Follow.Yeshua.]

If you search up "Nancy Krebs" ...she was a child 3/4 years old when she was abused by John ramsey and she also knows the White's.... Nancy Krebs has made many statements to the Boulder Police Department about her sexual assaults and rapes. She also testified to being videotaped specifically for child pornography by John Ramsey

[@I.Follow.Yeshua.]

Wednesday, September 2, 2020 Freemason Connections in the JonBenet Ramsey murder: In a previous post I did an expose of what Freemasonry really is, which is an organization that hides a Secret Society that has great influence in America and in the U.S. Government. In this post I want to make connections between Freemasonry and the JonBenet Ramsey murder. Here are the obvious connections that come to me: Nancy Krebs revealed that she saw Patsy Ramsey at a Rainbow Girls convention before Patsy was married to John Ramsey. Rainbow Girls is a Freemason organization that like the Freemasons itself pretends to be one thing on the surface but is in reality something else entirely. What it is in reality is involved in arranging marriages between Freemason men and the daughters of other Freemason men. Patsy was the daughter of a high ranking Freemason, Donald Paugh. John Ramsey was a Freemason. John Ramsey hooked up with Patsy Ramsey through Freemasonry connections involving the Rainbow Girls. The marriage between John and Patsy Ramsey is not a normal natural one but a Freemasonry arranged marriage between a Freemason and the daughter of another Freemason. The family that John Ramsey comes from is also a Freemason family. John Ramsey's father, James Ramsey was a Freemason in Michigan that held important positions in the Government. John Ramsey is the son of an important Freemason. Fleet White Jr., John's close friend from California who followed him to Boulder, CO is without doubt a Freemason. Both John Ramsey and Fleet White Jr were Freemasons in California before either of them moved to Colorado. Fleet Russell White Sr, Fleet White Jr's father and the prime suspect in the death of JonBenet Ramsey was a high ranking Freemason. It is my belief that Fleet Russell White Sr. was a 33rd Degree Freemason. This is the primary reason he is being protected. This is the primary reason why almost all information about this man has been scrubbed from the internet. This is the primary reason for the cover up in the death of JBR. This is the primary reason why a fake crime scene was staged at the Ramsey Residence to hide where the crime happened (Fleet Russell White Sr's home) and the reason why all the focus has been primarily on the Ramseys. What is really being protected is not just Fleet Russell White Sr but Freemasonry itself, which is also known as the Illuminati. Freemasonry is very deeply involved in this murder but the organization has gone to great trouble to conceal that fact. The Freemasonry infiltrated Boulder Police, Boulder DA, etc. has been fully involved in this cover up. The cover up of the truth exists to this very day

[@psychedelicmusings]

depending on a lot of factors. was their furnace running? was the heater on? did they have a tv on while they slept? there are A LOT of reasons why they may not have heard it.

[@john-brady]

@@psychedelicmusingsseriously, in the same house? My parents slept with a TV on all night going back to the early 50’s. I have a tendency to do the same thing but if someone screams or shouts in the neighborhood I always hear that. And that’s outside - I’m certain I’d hear anything coming from inside the house… But, you raise some good psychedelic musings…

[@ericj3331]

That is the complete opposite of what happened according to lou, you could barely hear anything. God, the misinformation that people float around thus case is unbelievable. It was a huge huge house, parnets were three stories up and position of Burkes room was opposite. Lou theorizes it was possible the parnets didn't hear it, he was the only real homicide detective on the case and one of best in CO and he almost was certain it was an intruder. Unknown male DNA taken from her clothes and under her fingernails proves it. A new cold case task force was started on this case with guidance from the fbi, and they are solely focused on the DNA and not the ramsey family.

[@belladonna5904]

Burke just looks to me like a guy who is suffering from trauma in his childhood. He is suppressing memories of things he witnessed happen to JonBenet.

[@sope7563]

I had the same thought, he never came to terms with his traumatic experiences in his earlier years

[@SJ-ni6iy]

Or the trauma of losing his sister, watching his mother battle cancer off and on until her death while being accused of murder. Losing a sibling and living under the tabloids microscope would push anyone over the edge.

[@CJDavis-ij4df]

And to me you're a person who is attracted to Burke so you feel this ridiculous impulse to defend his creepy little ass.

[@arabellabelljade7140]

@@CJDavis-ij4df LMAO

[@Augustbeauty69]

@@CJDavis-ij4df snort! He is creepy, I agree wholeheartedly. Dr. Phil can say what he wants, this kid was always weird.

[@Prismet]

Who calls the cops for a missing child but does not search their entire home before doing so?

[@kimcollis9438]

Exactly

[@Mggrande998]

The house was 11,000 Sq ft. Do you realize how big that is?? A spacious 4 bedroom house in the USA MIGHT be 2000 Sq ft. You search the main spots while calling out, no way are you doing a thorough search of the whole place especially after finding a ransom note. She was found deep in the basement behind several "layers" of closed off rooms.

[@stevejohnson4562]

The cops came and searched the house for quite a while and didn't find her because it was so dark in the room and she was covered by a blanket. But when asked by the cops to look, John, sick of waiting, found her immediately. He knew where she was.

[@therealdeal3672]

I guess, somebody who has found a ransom note? Maybe? 🤷

[@jordanalandry1866]

Uh, i fucking would. 🤦🏽‍♀️🙋🏽‍♀️ U don't want to contaminate anything you want the authorities there IMMEDIATELY to further assess the situation, youre panicked, PERIOD

[@kymesue9575]

It almost seems as Burke is stuck as a 9 year old. I feel the dads involvement is way understated and everyone else is hostage to the dads actions.

[@ravencranston4478]

My thoughts exactly! I think the father did it and fear mongered his son into forgetting everything. I feel bad for the guy

[@kindhearted88]

I think the dad done it but what I can't work out is WHY

[@ravencranston4478]

@@kindhearted88 once I found out the father was friends with Jefferey Epstein, everything made since. The man is a sick bastard.

[@josie5120]

@@kindhearted88 I think he was s*xually abusing jonbenet, I watched a documentary on this case and her medical records said that she’d been taken to the doctor to be treated for yeast infections MANY times. Frequent yeast infections in girls that young is normally pretty rare, but it is way more common in young girls that are being s*xually abused..

[@TheBreechie]

@@josie5120 that’s incorrect. Thrush can be very common in little girls and is often caused by how they wipe.

[@TH-jd9ib]

His peers from college (Purdue) stated that this is his behavior all of the time and not just when he is anxious or nervous.

[@lindseysanders3656]

Wild! I live in Indiana and didn’t know he attended Purdue.

[@spillinthebeans4354]

I was once a big believer in the "liars look away" thing. Until I had kids. One of my children stares me dead in the eye when they lie. That's actually how I know they are lying lol.

[@rosered103]

I had and still do have one of those.

[@sjchung1632]

believe that is a tell since it is not normal to do that

[@rosered103]

@@sjchung1632 What is 'normal'?

[@spillinthebeans4354]

@@stitches318 what kind of idiot would let their child know how they know they are lying?

[@spillinthebeans4354]

@@stitches318 Sorry if I mislead you to believe that I was troubled and seeking help. My comment was only meant to be a light hearted joke in hopes to make people smile. I don't believe my child has gone through what you are describing your experience to be. Simply because that just isn't the case and the "liars look away" phrase has never been mentioned to them or around them (they are the eldest). As a PTSD sufferer, I avoid eye contact constantly no matter what the subject and can only make eye contact with people I truly trust. Everyone is different and I do believe a lot of children just find it easy to lie to someone's face because they have no fear of being caught or don't need to look away to gather their thoughts like most of us might. And so many other reasons. But I am focusing more on their habit of lying rather than how they lie ;) Thank you for your perspective! I will keep this in mind for the younger ones

[@alisashebiel8293]

My brother is the same way when he’s scared or nervous. Especially when he was younger. He’s 29 now, but when he’s in an uncomfortable situation he would smile or laugh. It was his way of coping.

[@meganhoward8820]

My daughter does this. Pulls a smile like a frog face lol it makes me frustrated cause it looks guilty but i know shes not lol

[@alisashebiel8293]

@@meganhoward8820 right, exactly. That’s just how some people get through stressful situations. It used to drive my mom completely mad because at the time she just thought he was being suspicious. After she realized that was just his way of getting through a tough situation she was a lot more understanding, because she understood that was just his way of coping.

[@anniebalsbaugh735]

this is how I when I was young, I didn't ever understand why, and was criticized for it

[@florence1395]

My younger brother would laugh if he got nervous, especially at funerals. He died but he was clever & respectful but he would laugh.

[@nekokuma800]

When im nervous i used to do that too. And pretty sure i was in grade 5 (10yrs old) just new at school a transferee, we had to present something and im so nervous I just sort of laughed so she got mad at me calling me weird and stuff and if I dont stop I need to sit down and get 0 for the presentation which cost me my new friends. Been a loner all throughout the school year to highschool because of that i was known to be weird so no one would come and talk to me and I'm not good with making friends. I thought something was wrong with me so I don't smile much anymore. When I moved for college i tried to change myself but I'm sort of bad with trying to interact, I know I shouldn't but it's so bad im so conscious and now im like, I'd rather do everything alone to avoid confrontations. It's easier. I just remembered it now sort of made me realize nothing is wrong with me before she's just not a good teacher for my case. P.s. she's known to be very strict almost everyone is afraid of her.

[@akbflo]

Is it me, or is Dr. Phil terrible?

[@bigmami43]

Its not you, This was horrible of Dr. Phil to do.

[@franwebb7756]

Not you.

[@judycovington5641]

I don't like Dr. Phil. Yes, he's awful.

[@someoneelse5581]

He lacks common sense in his irrational questions.

[@randomtology2173]

nope, he is. heres the proof: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWavYpWef7mMmdE ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6qyfoyJqtCjl80 watch those. they show all the terrible stuff hes done

[@lindadavis5668]

Did Patsy take Burke for sports, swimming, day camps?? Did he take music lessons, or other out of school activities? What was school like for him? Did he have friends over? Did the Ramsay's have him in talent shows? Was he in school plays? How were his academics? Nothing about that I've heard of. That would shed some light on his development and how he interacted with others. IDK who did it.

[@butterflywings5904]

burke was a very accomplished boy scout..he had some impressive whittling skills and as a boy scout he would know how to make a garote !!

[@DrewNiemannsYoutubeChann]

I read somewhere he was sent to military school after the murder happened.

[@C2yourself]

The fact that he smeared his own feces in his sister's room and wet the bed until 7 yo is a huge red flag that there's something off with Burke. Could there have been an accident in the basement, Burke runs up to bed, Patsy finds JB's bed empty in the morning, tells John, they go looking in the basement because John knows Burke wanted to work in his train..... and there's JB unconscious. Who came up with the twisted idea to use that ligature to strangle her? Sick sick sick

[@sarahhanratty3006]

Has anyone considered that he has “smiling depression”? It is a disorder where you display the opposite emotion to what you’re actually feeling. I worked with a young man who would laugh and smile in terrible situations.

[@Dale0888Jr]

You could be onto something. To add on to that that could have been encouraged too. I've heard people tell their kids when their sick/hurt that it's better to laugh than cry. Basically saying to not cry no matter what.

[@scottmatznick3140]

@@Dale0888Jr good point. I was thinking that it could also be medication. He has a very detached kind of smile and it *is* strange as hell, but it could be a sign of how his meds make him feel/act.

[@Dale0888Jr]

@@scottmatznick3140 that could be it too. He did seem very detached through the whole thing. I hadn't thought about it being medication.

[@mckenziemcmillan5699]

I do the same when bad things happen even if I’m mad or scared about it

[@allegreasbr99]

I had a similar thought, also due to classical conditioning via his beauty pageant trainer mother... the smile is a coping mechanism that would actually HURT his face. He seems like a severely traumatized human who suffers potential other mental factors beyond the scope of his mothers clutches

[@atlasbonds6095]

He has a pageant smile on his face the whole time. I don't think it's a continuous nervous smile, it's just too much, goes on for too long. I think it's something ingrained into him. Patsy was big into appearances.

[@konniechung]

Yeah cuz my cheeks would be twitching after that long

[@aboutagirlnamedjessie]

Spot on! I was coming to comments to write just this! Patsy being into appearance and pageants, I'm sure she forced that onto Burke first until JonBenet came along. I can see Patsy with both kids reminding, "Stand up straight! Smile! Smile! Smile!"

[@RhomanysRealm]

He even did it right on cue in the Christmas video with his mum. The force smile and wave. It can still be a coping mechanism though to cover nerves.

[@kellyalves756]

He probably got it beat into him. ( not necessarily literally, but you know what I mean). Watching this I see a kid who is terrified of displeasing an adult. And that’s pretty much his prime directive, as established by the adults in his life.

[@Sarah_b_curiouser]

Exactly my thoughts too. That is a learned smile just like pageant kids have to fake. It may be partial nerves too. But i think the "you have to smile!" Was ground so firmly into his psyche by his parents he probably doesn't even realize he's doing it anymore

[@mycatisabastard2361]

To me, this a man who was coached repeatedly throughout his life, to the point of dissociation. He's performing as he has been taught. Whether guilty or not.

[@makeupchick9544]

Or, when you were a young boy, your sister was murdered, the world thought your parents did it and you lived your life in the spotlight of accusations and you are sort of an unadjusted adult afraid of being judged while being interviewed by a tabloid douchebag and you don't act the way everyone expects you to act considering literally NO ONE has experienced what you have had to deal with for much of your life.

[@TrevorToonArt]

@@makeupchick9544 Not the world. I have always thought he hit her and the parents finished her off out of fear. That 3 page ransom note on their own stationary is telling. No murderer no matter how inept would hang out in the house with 3 other people for hours writing that note.

[@melodi996]

@@makeupchick9544 world thought he assaulted her, so nah.

[@bethryan9077]

@@TrevorToonArt No you didn't always think that, you were Taught to think that Because of the Bogus CBS documentary that was formatted from James Kolar's book of BS saying Burke hit her on the head with the flashlight that is seen in a photo. The problem about all that crap IS - JB was strangled to death First & Then 3 blows to the head & 3 weapons were used & none were that friggin flashlight. What makes you think the note was written After her death? Oh you were Told it was. That was not a house like most people have it was a huge 4 level mansion & JB was taken down to the basement which was a place bigger than a lot of people's houses

[@Janellabelle]

@@TrevorToonArt why would they not just let the 9 year old take the fall? 9 year olds never go to prison not even for 2nd degree murder. Therapy yes. I'm sure hed be in for years of therapy. But he'd be home in time for dinner from the police station that's for sure. This is a 9 year old we are talking about. And let's be honest, Burke was clearly, even from the outside, NOT the favorite child...do you seriously think those parents would've shielded Burke from the very very soft consequences he would've faced for murdering their golden child? Hell no!

[@DrB-cb1by]

Whoever said "I'm going to be arrested" on the 911 tape did it.

[@bethryan9077]

Basic Known FACTS - Patsy was dressed & ready to go, found the note, read a few lines, raced back upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he said to call the police. 2 males had got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the White’s Xmas dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m., in her bed JB was choked with the cord, tasered on her back, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent that went out the window of the boiler room, front of the house. Fibres from the frayed ends of the cord were found on JB’s sheet & are in evidence. Both perps ran out a dickie door through the garage, down to the back, waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had ran into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. That was Not a garrotte, it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity as part of the torture during vile acts. Due to this & positioning, plus JB was given a lot of water over this period of Hours, is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. A square of carpet & underlay at the boiler room entry was cut out due to the pee stain & that’s in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific, then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's Exact height. The end of what was actually a calligrapher’s tool that was used at her privates was cut off & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That item did Not belong to Patsy. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did Not eat Any pineapple that was in that bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded police statement of ’98, Thomas Haney told her the tiny bits of pineapple in the top of the small Intestine was Different to the pineapple in the bowl. When Patsy called 911 on the wall phone near the kitchen, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. *There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then both fractures of the skull that were also pre-planned if the cops were called, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down nearly the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the rounded handle end of the black steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called, they didn't plan that Patsy would still be on the phone. That phone was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It's easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers into the note as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise her writing which is Impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Meyer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. This plan, JB was Never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known - Plus, due to the crime scene techs who did an excellent job in taking all the photos, videos & collecting the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. But Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later because the investigators Present, refused to target the Ramseys. He later went on to Pretend that he was the lead detective. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a Ransom, which Was the First crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile case. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about False & Misleading information to the media. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Early that morning, separately, 3 officers failed to go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo or the cops’ walk-thru video & see the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. The silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree on the handle that was like the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA that had Already cleared them & lots of others including known pedos & then John Mark Karr who said he did it. *I have left out the details of the vile acts perpetrated upon this poor child as a bit sensitive for the page.

[@amandadelong7678]

Exactly. In the audio I listened to, you can clearly hear him ask "Are they going to arrest me?"

[@DrB-cb1by]

@@bethryan9077 Patsy wrote the "Ransom Note". The brother did it, Probably some molestation going on on his part, the Ramsey's didn't want to lose Burke so they staged the scene, a book dealing with that sort of family problem (brother molesting sister) was seen in the Ramsey library. Very sad case.

[@AdrienneMint]

@@amandadelong7678you know nothing.

[@jagcf]

​@@bethryan9077Way too long comment

[@tinajo5036]

The ransom note is the biggest thing i've never been able to get over. If it were an intruder, unless you are planning to kill everyone, you want to get in and out quickly. You don't risk being found and having a confrontation by writing a 3 page letter (with more than one draft). And everything used in the crime was from inside the house. That's very unusual.

[@brendakauffman2222]

And the ransom note asks for the exact amount of money the father got in his Christmas bonus.

[@tinajo5036]

@@brendakauffman2222 Yep, exactly. Unless he went around telling everyone how much he got for his bonus, it's unlikely someone other than the parents would know that amount to put in the letter.

[@TangledTrueCrime]

Unless he wrote it while they were at the party? Familiarizing himself with the home and like a stalker, marinating in it. He could have left the note so that it would give him a day to get away. I really think it was an intruder bc of the choking device. There is NO WAY Burke made that or knew about it. It is a tool used by pedophiles leaving me to believe that nobody in that house would have known to make one and leave it if it were staged. If it were a cover up, the parents would still grieve. But not be able to STRANGLE their dead daughter!

[@TrevorToonArt]

@@TangledTrueCrime The Dad was more than capable of doing it and he moved the body after having been told not to touch anything.

[@graceimbriale1638]

@@winterleia9027 ok I ok

[@Bananas119]

I truly believe his nerves made him smile. My extreme anxiety makes me shake with out control when I’m in the spotlight

[@jrhermosura4600]

even my facial muscles shake too

[@Silkendrum]

I start giggling.

[@casieatthe393]

I smile to when telling a difficult story because sometimes the trauma of telling such a horrible story can be almost so unbelievable it just makes you react in a way that’s different.

[@riverdeep399]

Yep. I can attest to unusual responses to traumatic instances.

[@ignaciocrudo4102]

Can't agree more, I smile when in nervious and sometimes when people hit me I just,,,,, laugh

[@ladyangua1]

I bet Burke was one of those kids that were never allowed to show a negative emotion, It didn't matter if he was angry or sad or even scared, he wasn't allowed to show it - especially in a public setting - he always had to look happy.

[@addie_is_me]

@Theopisti Panagiotakou It is very passive aggressive, that would be someone who can not be open about hating someone.

[@debrak8521]

@Theopisti Panagiotakou The feces story was made up by the housekeeper. She sold her story for 20 thousand dollars and a trip to Florida to the National Enquirer. She later sold another story for 15 hundred dollars. In his lawsuit with CBS Burke Ramsey said the feces story was false.

[@bostonlisa]

Good point I never thought of this, as I’ve seen him on Dr. Phil!

[@bostonlisa]

@@debrak8521 what a bitch.....like the family wasn’t going thru enough. That’s horrible. I wonder if she was ever charged with such a lie, deformation of their character. Shame on that housekeeper.

[@scootermom1791]

My thoughts exactly! So, subconsciously, he would smile, anyway, because he was trained to so much that it became a habit to him.

[@karinknittel7719]

About the therapist he saw as a 9 year old......his parents told him what to say. He knows more than what he reveals!!

[@bethryan9077]

Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon of the 26th when he was still at the Whites, by detective Patterson, who was on the scene at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither parent was present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to the where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that Bogus CBS show was aired in 2016, Patterson publicly stated on national TV that Burke didn't know Anything & he was very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed 10 days after the murder of his 6 year old sister, by a child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer was present with him & the parent's Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer was present with Burke & the parents Allowed that interview to take place as well. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. Science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously are Not told the Details about all that happened. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross fractures were After death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then refused to get on the stand to back his lying mouth. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that most people Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used. The 1st fracture was front to back & Open, nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole & the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to that believe that Garbage because they’re not very Bright.

[@karinknittel7719]

@Beth Ryan they had all night to prepare him what to say. He was up with his sister for pineapple (fin gerprints on bowl)

[@bethryan9077]

@@karinknittel7719 This is part of the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know A Damn Thing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child. Nor do you Care to Find Out, what Really happened to JonBenet Ramsey because y’all too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about every member of JonBenet’s family instead & all because you watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hateful agenda & repeat that as if all true. There most certainly are plenty of posters who have Intelligence, common sense & logical thought processes, who can work out sensible scenarios of what may have happened But, few dare to venture onto these hate-filled pages. . The Ramseys were officially & publicly Exonerated with an Abundance of Real evidence. Just because You Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement - Did deal with Case Evidence, law enforcement including - expert Seasoned investigators, forensic DNA Scientists & expert Crime Scene techs. That Case Evidence included - the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull, the Authentic autopsy report, hundreds of crime scene photos, cops’ walk-thru videos, police reports, affidavits, depositions, evidence lists, witness statements, videos & Full transcripts of John & Patsy’s police interviews of ’97, ’98 & 2000, other recorded interviews, over 200 evidence items, forensic items, the full layout of the Whole 7,000 sq ft mansion - being all 4 storeys & also, what was Out of Place & what was Missing. All is Evidenced & a great deal is online for all to source. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case, nor the ins & outs or the bits & pieces that, Make Up the Puzzle. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an Authentic one. Reddit for example & the proliferation of videos on YT are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, including Fake writing ‘samples’ & Fake individual ‘letter’ samples as if Patsy did that too. Producers through the years have always edited their programmes to suit Their agendas & flash photos & pages on the screen in the middle of whatever dialogue, whether these were the Ramseys TV interviews or parts of their police interviews. All of the Same misleading & False information that’s been going around for 26 years & counting. You people need to wake up to yourselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines as well & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. As long as it’s Against this fine upstanding family, Anything goes & it all must be true. ** BTW - who would WRITE a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS? There is something seriously very Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!. Why would she say the note was found on the Back Staircase for Heaven’s Sake? One would have said it was found on the child’s Pillow! And woops the body is still in the house. Why write a 3 Page ridiculous note anyway? One would stage a break in & call the cops. SIMPLE. I pity all those who can’t even figure out the Basics of this heinous crime, which was In Fact very Very well Planned. Do you people Know that Colorado has the Death Penalty? Doh. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ & so-called ‘authors’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime & they Keep At It because of - all those who are naïve, ignorant, highly gullible, hateful, brainwashed & cruel. Then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid. There’s such an abundance of Ramsey bashers, these never-ending ‘shows’ will, never end. One would say - feeding the beast.

[@SPORT2932]

​@@karinknittel7719 I don't think a 9 year old could keep that secret for long. The police that interviewed him that day believe he was worried about his missing sister.

[@October_JennJenn]

I agree. I also strongly feel he was told things in order to fit some narrative. As he grew up, he probably has that recollection of what he was told, NOT what really happened. IMO.

[@tsmotherof3]

I was actually surprised that a body language didn’t pick up on the fact that Burke is probably on the spectrum.

[@nootnootimaboot8798]

omg i'm really glad you said this, i'm autistic & im normally really good with reading body language but i didn't see the same flags as were mentioned and i kept thinking, "i think that's how i would emote in that situation" °o°

[@KimberlyBarkdoll]

@@nootnootimaboot8798 Yep, my son is on the spectrum, and the other day(I have walking pneumonia from severe allergies) and I will be coughing like I'm going to fall over and his response is, "You gonna last???" It's his nervousness and just mirroring things that others would have said in a situation that isn't as intense. It sounds like he is being callous, but it that he doesn't know what to do.

[@1Angeliina1]

Literally that's what i said. He may very well be on the spectrum. I wonder if he is diagnosed. Or is his family the type to not care and think everything's fine and doesn't get it checked out to see if thatz what he has.🤔

[@nootnootimaboot8798]

@@1Angeliina1 oof,, call my family out in the process why don't ya 😂/j

[@1Angeliina1]

@@nootnootimaboot8798 😂😂😂

[@xhoulijones1017]

He the definition of the “😅” emoji

[@Nikki-jn3ud]

I can't unsee it lmao

[@4Ferne]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ThePresentTimeNow]

This is totally accurate. He is literally that emoji. It’s impossible not to see it now lol

[@Nikki-jn3ud]

@Alex Kozloff are you lost? Lol

[@Tigerlilly0902]

That's too funny 🤣

[@julianadamico1552]

Why don't they ask John Ramsey's first set of kids from his first marriage how he disciplined them as a father.

[@isette]

They are close still he is a good father.

[@EveningShadeLori]

There is a new Dr. Oz interview with the older son. Very good interview.

[@tinataylor3758]

He had a son and 2 daughters with his first wife. One daughter with his first wife died in a car accident. How horrible it would be to lose 2 daughters, and be accused of killing one of them. I don't know John Ramsey, but I bet he would trade his wealth in a heartbeat to have his children back.

[@carolcaudel255]

They did talk to his older kids

[@aprilleerose]

The older brother is also in the newest documentary and he said he’s a great dad.

[@jimfinan9132]

Since the two of them were alone this was also an opportunity to strike out at her. He had a strong motive at that time.

[@thatgirlisawkward]

Why on Earth does Dr. Phil find it weird and question him so intensely about why at 9 years old he didn't get up? What the hell are you supposed to do at 9 years old??

[@franwebb7756]

When i was 9 and heard unusual noises or loud voices, i hid under the covers. Poor Burke.

[@emmalinabradbury8724]

@@franwebb7756 Exactly..he was 9 not 19! What could he have done! And emotions can last a lifetime, we are not robots, kids who've been sexually abused, young girls who were raped, kids who were traumatized in war zones. They must have researched folk with perfect lives for that conclusion!

[@andreathespiritualmotivato5574]

I would have gotten up. Stop acting like children don't have since. My 7 and 5 year olds get up when they hear sounds

[@dexa6623]

Go fight a murderer, apparently. I'm actually really curious to know what Phil was like growing up.

[@StrawberryFields4ever65]

I have 4 children and they would DEFINITELY get up and be asking questions...but we're a very open family. Maybe Burke wasn't raised the same way. Personally, I think Burke knew what had happened and DID get up that morning. He's covering...IMO

[@josefinthor9194]

Thank you for really putting emphasis on his smile as a coping mechanism! I do the exact same thing in distress. I've been sitting with therapists, smiling and laughing as I go through immensely painful memories with them and I've gotten criticism for it, "I'm not sure if you're actually being honest with me" etc. It's so frustrating when people jump to conclusions based on this coping mechanism.

[@gemini_interests]

I joke about when my Mom backhanded my nose so hard she gave me a nosebleed. Then she told me it was my fault. I have been told it must not have affected me too much if I can laugh about it. Yeah. Right.

[@rayeller86]

I have a family member who, at now 52yrs old, has spent their life smiling and even laughing in situations that make them uncomfortable. To anyone who doesn't know them, it would be very off-putting but that is their coping mechanism. We all react differently to trauma. Burke has spent his life in this trauma and likely hasn't had any peace.

[@n0odles86]

Gallows humour. I do the same; it can really throw people off when I make jokes about my own CDV & CSA. I'm an old hag, and I think age helped with my healing. I was far more of a wreck in my early years. (I am diagnosed aspergers, an adulthood diagnosis; I was a child that fell through the cracks. 80s/90s childhoods were vasly different to my children's - there is way more safeguarding in schools now)

[@00Aroha]

You guys are delusional

[@memethingz6004]

Omg same it’s just something that’s hard to control I don’t do it on purpose

[@eponymoususer8923]

“Inappropriate emotional response” many people who experience trauma or other mental illness laugh or smile at inappropriate moments.

[@kutternicholson9844]

I laugh rather than cry now. Very true, good job.

[@mariya1672]

I think Burk don't kill her but he know Who did it because he loked strange

[@Aitaitaitai]

“I’m the kind of guy who laughs at a funeral, Can’t understand what I mean, well you soon will” The Barenaked Ladies were singing about inappropriate emotional response in the 90’s and everyone thought it was a joke. Turns out: Trauma

[@briannotafan3368]

burk was afraid for his life after seeing his dad kill his sister

[@nejcsribar7451]

@@briannotafan3368 finally someone who isnt blaming it on him but the father. I also think it was the dad. Provbaly in an accident doing some shady shit. Then he tried to cover it up

[@declanlawson4515]

My partner smiles and laughs when he is uncomfortable, nervous or in a serious situation. At first I thought it was odd but I found out it's a coping mechanism. He grew up with an emotionally abusive mom. He always had the be the perfect child. Save face, present to the public he was perfect and try to "think of the positive". So the way Burke is acting makes sense to me.

[@aschmidt3641]

I agree, I’ve heard this can be a trauma response

[@bethryan9077]

This is the problem for the general public - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child. At the very beginning, the media put out that JB was strangled to death & that was the Medical Examiner’s Report which was Correct. The blows to this child’s head were just After that. Who did the old switcheroo & for what reason? You have No idea what was going on behind the scenes with those lousy & ever deceitful Cops. The Authorities Plus Forensic Scientists, Proved Intruders Were In That House. One half of the public are still back in the Old Days, you all need to Catch Up, it is Not still 1996, 1997, 1998. Expert investigators Continued Working This Case. Soo many in the public domain are stuck in a friggin Time Warp. The other half watched that Bogus CBS TV Show & believed it all & now it’s the Kid brother Burke who bonked his little sister on the head over a piece of pineapple. LOL. The False & misleading information that is Still being portrayed on Most of the vids on Utube, is the Same False & Misleading information that media & books put out from Way Back Then. Wake Up America! Go do some Actual Research. Learn about the Actual evidence. You people have seen a few photos - pineapple in a bowl, flashlight on a bench, cord on a stick, writing on some pages. That is Not Evidence & most certainly Nothing to do with Evidence of Murder. Thank goodness you people didn't get to see More photos. LOL. FYI - there were Hundreds. Someone made a TV 'show' & told you all those items were evidence about the Ramseys & Burke, they Were Not. You have All been Hoodwinked. The ONLY piece that you people know about that Can be classed as evidence, is the notepad. THAT Was Used to Commit this crime. That Did come from the house. There is No Other Evidence From That House, that was Used To Commit This Crime. So what have you people got? Never ending stupid Crap that you all post, that Also has Nothing to do with the Murder of This Child. Access the autopsy photos that are online, they are shoulders up only. Have a good look at the burn on this child's cheek & the cord left embedded in her neck. There were also abrasions at the base of her neck from that cord, from earlier vile acts with that Bondage Device. That was Not a garrotte. Some Idiot thought that Word looked good for a Headline & in a Book, because of that One Photo. A garrotte has Two handles to work, Not One. Source the Photo of the Whole thing. What I have Already told about That, is the True Facts. The Authentic autopsy report States about the rust coloured marks at each temple & the same rust coloured marks on the back of one leg. Crime scene photos Show the rusty log grabber in the Cellar. The authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st page has the symbol/emblem for Boulder County- That flashlight was Not a weapon used & that did Not belong to the Ramseys. The authentic autopsy report Proves JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple, Forensics Proved That. Patsy did Not write that note, the Experts Proved That & the Writing was Not the Only factor that Proved That, She Did NOT. Glenn Meyer took the notepad when he invited himself to their Xmas party on the 23rd, Simple as That. He organised this crime for Money, his 3 cohorts had their Own Ideas for Money. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for money & revenge. There are Many reasons why kidnapping has always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why that is a Fact. The plan - JB was Never to be taken from that basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called & they didn’t get that quick cash. They sure didn’t go to so much trouble & such high risk for Nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. True Crime for a great many, is way too much to Fathom when you don’t know about the True Facts. The Ramseys were Officially Exonerated a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual Evidence & by Real experts, including Forensic Scientists. Just because you don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. The DNA from an unknown male has been in CODIS since 2003. Give the FBI a call. Clearly you people need to Learn what DNA is About. You have been watching TV for over 25 Years & you Choose to believe it All, as long as it’s Against - the Ramseys. You don’t care which one, Or, you decide on all 3. Yet, you don’t even know about ANY Actual Evidence. Shame on every one of You. This case - Has Never Been To Trial & so, You have Never Seen the Case Evidence. What sort of people say all they do about this Very Kind family, when you have Never even Seen Any of the Evidence about the Crime? Loads of you even Demean this murdered little girl also & since 2016, her 9 year old brother too, because of a Bogus TV ‘show’ that was put out by a pack of Con Artists. Burke was Never even a suspect & was interviewed That afternoon when he was still at the Whites by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, Nor did they know that was happening. Patterson spoke Publicly after that Bogus CBS ‘show’ & said Burke knew Nothing & was Very worried that his sister was still missing. None of you even Know what was Actually perpetrated upon JonBenet, nor do you Care to Find Out, because you’re all too busy spouting all your hateful Garbage about a case that You Know Nothing About & At a fine Upstanding family who Didn’t Do A Damn Thing & who, In Fact, were Victims.. Soo many down the threads, all sites, are an Absolute Disgrace & that’s just another True Fact. A great many people say that 'it doesn't add up'. But, soo many people, Don't Know Any True Facts about - Anything & so, you are Not in the position to say - that it doesn't add up. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent with a mountain of Actual evidence & eventually by a bunch of Seasoned Experts, including Forensic Scientists. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw 'Facts In Evidence' which Included the autopsy photos, the photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence. . . Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. The vids are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both show Fake pages put up on the screen As If from police files, the Same False & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too. Soo many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are Highly Gullible & all those who are - Particularly Hateful

[@bethryan9077]

The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think You Know about this crime - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The BPD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

[@bethryan9077]

The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer. BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door just before 6 a.m. because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. The general public know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies - for Help. Mrs Stine too but she couldn’t come. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement, that’s all. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior also, he too failed to see those windows. He reported to the 2 detectives, when all 3 were sitting in the car at the supermarket carpark, that there was no forced entry yet he hadn’t checked the Double door near the kitchen either. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case.

[@LuckyVine]

@@bethryan9077 Yeah, nobody's reading that long-ass rant.

[@user-rr1yy7vi6h]

“Part of me doesn’t want to know what’s going on.” He knew. That’s why he didn’t want to know.

[@fairladykd6734]

I believe he knew that JB was being abused by John's group of "friends"

[@kellyalves756]

On some deep level I think part of him doesn’t believe she’s actually dead. When he talks about JonBenet, it’s almost like she’s standing right off camera, in the room.

[@taryn9850]

1000%

[@karenlewkowitz5858]

@@fairladykd6734 that was going on? Is there some info online? Thanks

[@georgiaamanatides4207]

@@fairladykd6734 I know someone who believes that theory.

[@TheGrumblyTumbly]

Coming from an abusive/neglectful family myself, Burke's smile reminds me of how I would attempt to fake being alright so that I wouldn't get criticized by my parents or draw unnecessary attention from them. In his case, I wouldn't be surprised if he developed that smile so that he could both, a) not be criticized by his parents for being a nuisance because of his neglected feelings but also b) to try and win favour from them for being a "good boy".

[@ashcatchum]

Exactly! The good child complex is often given the role to the older sibling and also feels heavy responsibility to not burden their younger sibling either

[@stephm5871]

I am not a big fan of Dr Phil but he did post something later on explaining that Burke is an introvert and that the isolation with all the accusations later on, made that tendency in Burke even greater. I think it is to the point that Burke lives off grid and even works from home. This is a very socially awkward person.

[@CarMaBear]

Spot on! I think you're absolutely right.

[@marywest2896]

i agree completely. he may have bullied her like observe said, maybe a bit of bullying got out of hand and he killed her by accident. being the victim of a psyco older sister, she nearly killed me several times. learned not to tell on her either, the hard way.....so ... bullying got out of hand. involuntary manslaughter. who knows what went on in that home.

[@lesliefroelich4144]

@@marywest2896 I also had an abusive older sister. That experience made me the person I am which is both fortunate and unfortunate depending on how you want to look at it...

[@ukebec1178]

I love your take on this. With a pageant-pushing mother and a pageant-competing sister who gets all of the attention, I'd bet that Burke learned early on that suppressing his true emotions and plastering a smile on his face greased the wheels with his mother.

[@carolineobrien6301]

Use Bec. Burke is autistic and he SMEARS. RESEARCH IT. 😳😳

[@emilyd.6371]

@@carolineobrien6301 it's never been revealed if he actually is autistic. googling smearing and it's connection to autism doesn't make Burke autistic.

[@maryannhamilton4239]

My heart really goes out to little Jon Benet 💔 may God rest her in peace and grant her joy in the life to come

[@c.swinford8283]

@@carolineobrien6301 That's also a sign of trauma in young kids.

[@BB-ty6iy]

@@c.swinford8283 Yeah I think sexual abuse?

[@cbartal1]

It was a fight between little kids. It was an accident. The parents tried to cover it up because they didn't want to lose their son after losing their daughter.

[@madamemolulu9727]

My husband has a nervous laughter and smiling tick also. It used to get us into fights early on because he didn't know that he was doing it. Once he told me that I caught on pretty quick. 14 years later I'm explaining it to people who look at him funny in social situations. Lol

[@jannickestordal637]

If you look back, Burk has always had that smile,even when he was 9 years old.I believe it's just the way he is.I do NOT believe he killed JonBennet!!

[@alidoll5678]

This reminds me of my second child, dude will be in so much trouble and can't help but smirk and hold back his giggle.

[@SjofnBM1989]

I think it's a nervous "tick" for a lot of people. It's like your brain is trying to trick you into being happy as a self soothing measure in times on stress.

[@deadnorwegianblue614]

I have the “smiling” problem too paired with blabbing and joking in situations I feel stressed or pressured. Not a good combo, I can confirm. I can’t even count how many times I was yelled at by my dad or my boss because they thought I was making fun of them in serious situations- and I was actually batshit frightened.

[@alisskumaye1609]

Omg I do this too. I giggle on nervous situations. I’m 30 and have never been at to control it.

[@HerbieRey]

If anything even remotely scary or loud happened at night when I was a child, you bet I'd have stayed in my bed. I would NOT have gone looking for the scary stuff.

[@apropst1]

I couldnt get out of bed after a bad dream.let alone a real life nitemare

[@carowells1607]

Some kids do explore though

[@apropst1]

@@carowells1607 true.I was afraid cat at that age.but some arent

[@andrereynolds5018]

So tired of all this ganging up on a 9byr old boy. I’ve raised 4 kids and I can say without a doubt this us not what happened. Imagine how you would be changed after all these life changing events. He and his family have been criticized since day 1. Also... I guarantee you if one of my children actually did happen to hurt their sibling or any other kid bad enough to render them unconscious, I would immediately call 911.

[@HerbieRey]

@@andrereynolds5018 I agree, he was a traumatised child who is now a traumatised adult. Of course he's going to have strange behaviours and reactions to being interrogated. I can't stand everyone saying "why didn't he do X, Y, Z on that night? It's because he was guilty!" When in reality, he likely didn't do anything when all the drama started unfolding because he was a CHILD.

[@davidhart2788]

I find the entire idea of children in a beauty contest repugnant. Patsy was an unfit mother. Those contests should be banned entirely.

[@cindykq8086]

Totally agree. Something is wrong with parents who sexualize their own very young daughters for any reason.

[@beverlytolbert2278]

I agree as well. It's uncomfortable for me to look at the way these children are displayed and it's disturbing that these pageants still exist.

[@kathyhayward2228]

I have to agree with you my grandaughter has been doing this for around 10 years old. I think my daughter does this for herself and not Ava .At 9 years old I had to stop my daughter from tap dancing n now she won't talk to me anymore. She 44 but I couldn't afford it anymore. 🙄😥😪 the costumes n the fees ...

[@marcief.8165]

Yea it gives pedophiles a public place to go sit and watch little kids dressed up in bathing suits and other sexually revealing clothes.You never know if they're sitting in the back playing with themselves without anyone noticing. Its disgusting!

[@JaimeMesChiens]

Yeah, but that’s the culture they were involved. Patsy was a pageant queen when she was young. I would never have any of my children in pageants, but that doesn’t make Patsy an unfit mother.

[@dovie2blue]

Analyst says the smile is not joy. Funny how Burke really grins even larger when dr. Phil asks him about the police coming into his room that morning. His whole face just lights up, as if he's remembering something that was extremely enjoyable. It's so disturbing.

[@Magicme79]

I have a family member who struggles with severe social anxiety and PTSD, and they act like that when they’re severely stressed.

[@Magicme79]

@Lisa Perkett nice to meet a real life mind-reader

[@SjofnBM1989]

@Lisa Perkett How. The. Fuck. Do. You. Know?

[@thebranchorganics3721]

No because talking about the public death of your sister and neglect of your parents, the world thinking you're a born and bred psychopath wouldn't be stressful girl, what?! How the fuck wouldn't he be stressed?

[@mikokennoob5032]

Me too, I relate to him so much, and its making me nervous watching him answering intimate stuff, even the death of a sister. I kept squirming and nervous tyrough out the video. He is so uncomfortable is making me uncomfortable.

[@jdr9419]

@@mikokennoob5032 a person is uncomfortable when they have to say things they know are not true.

[@cha0sly]

honestly, the fact that there was even a ransom note despite her already being dead in the basement makes me think they wrote it so the police would go searching for her elsewhere so they had time to get rid of the body in the basement.

[@user-vk8xn6tf4e]

Exactly! The killer isn't going to risk getting caught writing a lengthy letter and laying it out just so on the stairs when his target has already expired & is of no value - surely, the body would be found bf they could hypothetically get the cash to him - no reason at all to craft this letter were it a stranger. This is a clue much like the thief who doesn't steal all the cash in ur wallet - the thief u know wants to leave u w a little something BC #1: They feel bad &; #2: To delay discovery thus enabling thief escape time - the thief u don't know takes it all BC they don't know u & could care less about anyone's feelings nor are they trying to buy time so their departure isn't scrutinized.

[@tabby73]

Good thinking!

[@jayweh]

right, that makes zero sense. if outsiders wrote that note why would they a) hide the child in the basement or b) kill her in the basement. any logically thinking kidnapper would know they'd never see the ransom bc it was hihly likely the child would be found very early on.

[@zrc1514]

The amount of money written in the ransom note is also suspicious because it was also the amount that John Ramsey earned as a bonus that year.

[@atlagaf23]

That doesn’t make any sense. Why wouldn’t they have just gotten rid of the body before calling the police? And the police weren’t the ones to find the body John was. The police asked him to look around the house for anything missing/moved and the first place he went was the basement. John could’ve easily gotten rid of the body, come back to the house and then call the cops.

[@slight1699]

He says, "Part of me doesn't want to know what's going on." Sounds like he knew about some major abuse already.

[@conspiracyfact9659]

Ya he did it .you should have seen the documentary on CBS. The one he sued.

[@caroline61804]

I thought that too

[@graceelaine698]

Good point. He also denied knowing or recognizing the pineapple and tea in the crime scene photos. They were shown to him by the child psychologist and he just pretended that he didn’t know what they were. He was looking down on the psychologist like I’m smarter than you. It was apparently his favourite snack. Strange behaviour was noted. But this guys theory about him not caring about Jonbonet being dead makes some sense to me, but what if it wasn’t just out of dislike for her, but out of something else he knew, and now that ugly truth was gone? Relief?? He knew something was wrong and he hid from it that morning.

[@heytam7162]

Yeah I thought that too, wish he was pressed more on that.

[@bethryan9077]

@@conspiracyfact9659 That Bogus 'show' was formatted from James Kolar's book of BS. Sensationalism sells. Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m. & the Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. He just said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long til cops arrived? After calling 911 she called the Whites & Fernies for Help. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was, where to go & exactly what they were going to do. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. The huge pee staining on both undergarments prove that. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & using electricity. Both these factors & position is why there is such large pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off & never found. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (Top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME chunks of pineapple were in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the bits in the Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick on the top of the head & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Their back-up was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do btw. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known Plus because the crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 4 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window was opened after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window, unclothed. That bowl (with chunks of pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

[@source2950]

What about the fecael matter found on Jon benets door and the chocolate box she got for Christmas? This was in the police report. Also if I was the parent I wouldn’t let my other child out of my sight and I certainly wouldn’t let the police go into his room without me. It’s all very strange. He says he ‘didn’t know if a bad guy was running around the house’ yet he stays in his bed and doesn’t freak out when a stranger comes in his room with a flashlight

[@DreamsOfFinland]

He had some odd habits. The comments are mostly sympathetic to him staying in bed, I heard his voice on the 911 call and he seemed unphased. Also Dr Phil is golf buddy with Ramsey, this was a gift to John. Burke would have known he would come out of interview looking good. If you knew an interview would make you look good would it affect your mannerisms? All strange stuff.

[@JaneDoe-ci3gj]

I think there was abuse of both kids in that household, it can have been a way to act out. Does not mean he killed his sister!

[@bethryan9077]

@@DreamsOfFinland One needs to Think about WHY that Evidence of the recording was put on a TV programme & in the early stages of the investigation no less. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write. He told John & Patsy that she hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke was in the background. He asked them why they lied in saying he was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. He refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Proven Liar who’s only accolade before being made detective for this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. . Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Doh. And he was interviewed that afternoon by detective Patterson at 2 pm when he was still at the Whites, where he had been since 7.15 a.m., with adult relatives of the Whites & their 2 kids. Neither of his parents were Present, nor did they know that police interview was happening. You have Not heard Burke's voice on that 911 call, stop Lying. Yeah according to all you highly Ignorant Ramsey bashers, John was buddies with Everyone you know about from TV shows.

[@bethryan9077]

@@JaneDoe-ci3gj I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you all.

[@elise6550]

I think He was put aside completley when mummi got. the kid she really wanted the Girl. She User her as a toy and Made her a Star, so her son online was there. So he developed psychological problems but he didnt kill her!

[@shawnsisler3743]

The smile is nerves, training, and fear. He was a child when this happened, of course, he stayed in his bed, it's exactly what a 9 yo child should and would do. Hide, stay where they feel safe, stay where they aren't in the way, which especially in his case with the way his mother was with Jon Bennet, would be exactly what he would do.

[@Dennis-zk4wv]

Except he didn't. He was there during the 911 call, even though the parents claimed he wasn't.

[@liisbetaasamets1107]

@@Dennis-zk4wv there is no proof of that..

[@Dennis-zk4wv]

@@liisbetaasamets1107 You can hear him in the 911 call, and I believe even one of the parents told him to go to his room

[@christianwallace1147]

@@liisbetaasamets1107use ur brain pls there is literally a call with the voice of a child ligit talking usE UR BRAINSS

[@cherripaterson6066]

he murdered his sister

[@pocketlinttreasures33]

The ransom note is what got me. Its from a notepad in their own house... they found the notepad and found indentation of the first draft of the letter on it. It was 3 pages... an intruder is not going to wrote that long of a letter, and make more than 1 draft, while breaking in the house and after murdering a child.

[@rhondapowell3054]

true. for some reason the DA was afraid to pursue the case. If this had happened in my house, in my town, I would still be in jail. The note was obviously in Patsy's handwriting.

[@eastlynburkholder3559]

No matter what happened or did not happen to Jon Bennet, the random note was done by some one living in the house after the child was hurt and killed.

[@Latoree33]

I agree Mrs. Ramsey was highly well known and they had status and money. #1 the note was wrote with etiquette. Which meant that wanted to express reason. #2 if the son did it she as a mother wholeheartedly protected him from any wrong doings that happened. I do believe he was jealous of his sister. And this particular time was an explosive anger.

[@brookem2460]

Wasn’t the note looked at by a specialist who said that it was written in a way were a native English speaker was trying to pretend they were not. And as the letter went on it sounded like patsy.

[@Latoree33]

@@rhondapowell3054 they had money and they had status of well known standing in the community. How does one with money show they didn't do anything wrong. ..

[@saraw8490]

I grew up in a similar situation, just gender reversed. Mom was absent, father obviously favored my brother. I held a similar contempt for my brother for the longest time, rationalizing in my child brain that it was my brother's fault rather than my parents'. Quite frankly I hated him when I was a kid and couldn't have cared less what happened to him. So I relate to this guy a lot. I never once considered causing harm to my brother, and I think he just knows that admitting his contempt for his sister would just incriminate him, and while I can't speak for him I know I struggle with feeling guilty for having ever felt that way about my brother.

[@whiteumbrella9344]

I love how fair you are in your conclusions. Just because someone is lying or smiling or not reacting to grief the way we expect them to does not equal guilt. Things like he lied because he did not want to tell the truth but he that does not make him a murderer. He is not sympathetic because he did not like his sister but that does not mean he killed her. etc etc. That is a very clear headed, logical way to think about things that many are not capable of.

[@millerville2000]

For the first time it has dawned on me that Burke is still being overshadowed by his sister. That makes me sad for him. I feel bad that his emotions are this way during stress and that he was advised to do this interview. I grew up with seeing blatant favoritism from childhood to adult. I was on the receiving end of it at a early age until that parent passed away and then the child to see it happen to my brother. It's not comfortable either way but i am thankful i never blamed my brother. Onto Burke, if he was guilty, I still put it on his parents to not get him the help.

[@doseofdesi926]

I agree in a way. I dont believe that killed his sister.

[@Lindseyisloony]

He didn't need " help". All they had to do was actually be parents to him and he most likely would not have had issues.

[@GirlFriday68]

Feel sad for him too.

[@millerville2000]

If he did kill his sister or even hurt her physically in anyway then yes he did need help, instead of a coverup. Not saying he did but that was where my thought was in that sentence.

[@MiraculousAngelTarot]

The cover up (the garrote and the ransom note) was not covering the murderer but the sexual abuse: the Ramsey's had so many lawyers who would do their job in case of an incidental death. But there would have be done an autopsy which would have reveal signs of abuse. And these signs could not be explained as 'accidental'. That's why they staged the whole thing: in order to make people think that there was an intruder to assault their daughter. PS: in one of her interviews Patsey says that all of John Ramsey's children were experiencing bed wetting.

[@kpeugh2011]

The smile is like a cat purring imo. A cat will purr when it’s scared and when it’s happy. The scared purr is to make you like it so you won’t hurt it. That smile is the same. It’s a “please like me, don’t hurt me” fear/nervousness reaction. I’ve seen this with abused/neglected kids whom I’ve worked with. And I’m going to agree with a lot of folks here - a scared kid will hide in bed. Will pretend to be asleep. Bed is SAFE from the monsters. Is he possibly abused and used to staying in bed to avoid being in the path of the abuser? Maybe. Be also if he’s scared he’s not move - even if this isn’t an ingrained behavior yet because it’s a normal child’s behavior.

[@bethryan9077]

He thought his father was chasing an intruder ya Dafty. Want Me to say what Your face looks like?

[@lanac5793]

I have a condition where i smile or laugh when i'm uncomfortable. Like laughing during a presentation or not being able to stop smiling when i heard that my grandpa died. It's a real thing

[@anayarey]

A cat doed not purr when it's scared lmao

[@kami1725]

@@anayarey Yes, they do. And they can purr when they're sick or in pain, it's basically a self-soothing behavior for them

[@zombiestory6353]

@@kami1725 I've had cats all my life I never seen that not even once

[@sarahlaws5142]

I’ve always wondered… why would a kidnapper write a ransom note when they were just going to kill her in the home where they were taking her from. That is another thing that makes the parents look guilty, it doesn’t make sense.

[@Yobbie72]

It is strange. But the DNA on Jon Bennet is that of an hispanic male. The family is innocent.

[@miljaanttila4129]

If the intruder was there already before the family came home. He had many hours to write that note and was first meant to kidnap her, but then things went otherwise. They had neighbours etc. Or something else came up, noice of JB or else that the murderer had to flee fast. So sad case for the family. Being accused of this murder all this time when the dna evidence shows otherwise and the police work was so erie and wrong. What a tradegy.

[@daniellbishop4714]

"Oh, by the way", where's the bloody on that long, looney - Ransom note.

[@bethryan9077]

There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates, neighbours, well known violent movies about kidnapping plots as well as previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The room where JB was found in the basement, used to be a coal bin as the house was from the 1920s. Basically it was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. The cellar was used for storage & the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that was cement & didn’t have a window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs, a turn to the left & straight down the hall where the door to that room at the end was straight ahead & clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch fixture for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & it was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. The boiler room had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. The note was put on the floor just by the alcove doorway, John was on his knees reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. It doesn't make sense for Soo many because y'all been listening to the false information over & over again & you've not stopped for a minute to Think. Here's the thing that does Not make sense - that Patsy would Handwrite a 3 page 365 words & numbers ransom note & use her Own notepad to do that plus her Own marker & then leave both of those items near the phone For The Cops! Plus, why the hell would she say she found the note on the back staircase? She would of said it was on JB's pillow. Oh & woops, the body is still in the house. Here's the other thing, soo many people just don't have the Smarts for True crime. And lastly, they were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who included the expert Seasoned investigators who had to be brought in & the expert Crime Scene techs & the expert DNA & forensic Scientists. These full of BS 'shows' keep coming to Entertain all the Ramsey bashers who can't Accept that the Ramseys were Not friggin dumbasses & they sure were Not highly Sadistic child killers who thought they could get away with torturing & then killing their child & in their Own house.

[@jessethepersiankitty2377]

​​Not saying he did it for sure but why was it reported he smeared poop all over the walls and Jon benets Christmas presents. He also was reported by a neighbour that Burke hit her with a baseball bat across the head. The neighbour's said he had a sudden bad temper.

[@jamesjustice8711]

I wonder if he was really responsible if he ever felt extremely guilty, or if it was hard for Pasty to love him or even look at him again? Was it something they just never discussed again? Could the parents have done their best to convince Burke that he wasn't actually responsible and that someone came in and killed her after he hurt her?

[@bethryan9077]

This is the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child nor do you Care to Find Out what Really happened to JonBenet, because you're all too busy bangin on with a load of Endless Rubbish about her whole family. The same menagerie of people who are Misinformed, Naive, Ignorant, Rude, Aggressive, Abusive, Despicable & downright Stupid. The Same people who denigrate the Ramseys for a blink of an eye & accuse them of abuse for No sound reason as well as the accusations of vile acts against Both Kids plus the sadistic Murder of their adored 6 year old little girl. Then there's all those who are even Worse & say the Same about JB's 9 year old Kid brother. You all post your crap about this fine upstanding family who were In Fact - All Proven Innocent a Long Long time ago. BTW - who would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops! Only morons believe Patsy did That! Loads of you Make Up more stupid Shite & post about your ‘observations’ as if you are seasoned investigators working the case that Must Have happened Recently. LOL. Comment pages full of never ending mindless thought processes due to your severe Lack of Knowledge, Hateful hearts & then there's all the Envy going on. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent, due to a mountain of something called Evidence & by a bunch of Real experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because You Don't Know about that evidence, Does NOT Mean that it doesn't Exist. The Exoneration of all the Ramseys in 2008 was just from evidence that was known about way back at that time. FYI - the investigation Continued. All of you brainwashed zombies are running around trying to feel all important & so smart yet don't even have 3 brain cells left to realise that - this case hasn't been to trial & so, the Actual Evidence about the case was Not released to the media & So, not on your TV. Loads of unscrupulous people have made loads of Dollars from people like You. Doh. Then there's the Industry of so-called 'experts' who say Whatever & you all lap it up with fervent Glee. You watch TV, pick out what you Choose to believe, then post that on these sites As If facts whilst at the same time dreaming up more BS & posting that As If factual too. Yawn. Some people have done actual Research, isn't that Shocking. You & your like watch TV shows full of False & misleading information & read books of BS & then repeat it all like well trained monkeys at a Zoo. Go Learn what DNA is for a Start. The DNA that was Collected, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from an Unknown Male, that has been in CODIS since 2003 & which Means - NO Ramseys At All.

[@Sword_and_Crown]

He didn’t kill her.

[@alexanderh9878]

I think the parents convinced themselves of the lies.

[@Booeybrown]

He totally killed her - but I think accidentally - not intentionally - just too rough with a whack to the head with the torch

[@anchorpoint3631]

OJ did it, people!

[@Crocheter1]

I experienced this forced grim. It's not a fun thing... you feel anxiety, fear but you can't escape, you have to stay where you are like during an interview. This is when my smiley face comes in and this smile gets painful and I can not control it at all

[@maureenlaneski2802]

My aunt accused me of lying when I was a kid for this. When she asked why I was smiling, I said "I don't know." She was so mad, but it was the truth. It's very frustrating.

[@ticketyboo2456]

@@maureenlaneski2802 you sound like a weirdo...

[@therealdeal3672]

@@ticketyboo2456 you sound like a judgmental weirdo. It's not weird for people to smile in awkward situations. Did you actually listen to our expert?

[@therealdeal3672]

Sometimes I have worried that my expression didn't match the bad news that someone just told me, unexpectedly. You're smiling at someone, you haven't actually had a conversation yet, but you're just greeting each other and then they drop the fact that somebody just died, and your smile hasn't gone away yet, but you're adjusting your brain to the news and finding yourself with a smile on your face, at that moment, is awkward and you have to let your body catch up with your brain. I guess that's a little bit different than how Burke was in this interview. But I've had that experience of needing to let my face catch up with what I was hearing. And I felt self-conscious about it.

[@chlodelune8387]

i think one thing people forget about his smile is that his mother was a stage mom for a pageant girl in the deep south. if theres one thing i know about stage mom's in the deep south, its that presentation is everything. they will go to their grave telling their kids to SMILE for good presentation. seeing as this is a tv interview, he may have been heavily trained by his mom to present this way when in the public eye growing up which is why i believe it looks SO forced. edit: I GET IT COLORADO IS NOT IN THE DEEP SOUTH THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE POINT I AM MAKING AT ALL PLEASE BE NICER TO STRANGERS ONLINE THANK YOU

[@madelinetramantano8302]

oh please

[@BrittneyStAubin]

Patsy died in 2006.

[@thetableoflegend9814]

I doubt he was trained for this specific interview for a multitude of reasons, but I do think your point has some validity. While growing up he probably was taught to smile a lot and present certain ways. And if I was him I probably would have had an interview coach before this

[@SjofnBM1989]

@@BrittneyStAubin Why does it matter if she's alive or not? If someone drills a behavior or something into you when you're young it becomes a habit. No one is saying Patsy physically is backstage telling him to smile.

[@caelamarie9934]

They lived in Boulder, CO. Not the deep South.

[@coll4455]

When my brother died suddenly I couldn’t really cry or break down in front of anyone for the first few weeks. Even when my loved ones embraced me I felt like I was surrounded by a break wall I couldn’t feel anything. I found my self smiling and trying to help everyone else better and know that I was okay. This lasted during the more public part of mourning manly the first few days and the funeral. I had moments where I lost in front of people but mostly at home alone in front of no one. I remember feeling like something was holding me up through the service I actually I broke out in hives during it. I do remember I couldn’t really even understand how I was still standing. What I have learned after surviving a loss like this is that you have no control over how your body and mind will take over for you in moments of complete shock and despair.

[@mysurfing3550]

John Ramsey is profoundly creepy to me. When I was a kid and didn't know who he was I said to my grandma "that man is scary, why is he on tv?" She laughed at me but my intuiton is he was a predator and maybe she misbehaved and he got angry.

[@personincognito3989]

Same same same. Really weird

[@consciousmachine413]

Sure...

[@jantregidgo]

There's new DNA NOW FOUND ON THE CLOTHES THAT DONT MATCH HER FATHER OR MOTHER OR HER BROTHER,AND A POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS MORE EXPERT AT MURDER CASE, AND HE SAID THEY WERE NOT INVOLVED IN IT, AND IT WAS A KIDNAPPING GONE RONG, BUT THEY WOULDN'T LET HIM SAY IT, AND THAT MAN LEFT LOTS OF EVIDENCE WITH HIS DAUGHTER AFTER HE DIED TO KEEP LOOKING ,AND THE MOTHER SAID ,LOOKS LIKE KIDNAPPING TO ME,NOT DOESN'T, IM NOT THE Only ONE WHO HEARD IT SO WHY Didn't YOU

[@heathermallory2096]

I agree I've always got a cringe feeling from him. The random note also asked for the exact amount of money he was to get for a bonus that year. Then how he is recently trying to push the cops to find the killer😂he better be careful. I think he knows many of us are onto him so he is like let me put space between me and the crime

[@mattlyons8818]

Funny, I find Burke creepier.

[@maxoweenie]

He looks on the spectrum. His voice, his smile, the seeking of physical stimulation in times of duress or stress, on top of the way he looks when recollecting things...

[@riikkabyckling9588]

I was thinking the same. Also the things that have been said on his childhood go along with spectrum. I also feel that he has been having some therapy to handle his stimmings, but the smiling etc are still ”not correct”. It’s quite hard to analyze his reactions bc they are so different to ”normal”.

[@rhondaalbertson7524]

That’s exactly what I was thinking

[@BlackBeltBebe]

That was exactly my thought. He looked uncomfortable and like he was "masking" as autistic people, especially children, often do when they use behaviorally-coached fall back expressions like the "be polite and smile" face, no matter how they are feeling under the surface. I know my autistic child has a similar "mask" that she uses in greetings and goodbyes and anytime she's trying to "perform" neurotypical reactions in front of adults or people she doesn't know. Any time she is put on the spot (like ordering food at a restaurant or answering a doctor's questions when ill), that mask goes up and she holds it for the duration, even when a different affect would be more appropriate.

[@maxoweenie]

@@BlackBeltBebe yep! Im autistic myself and Ive studied a lot of faces intensely (it helps a lot with masking to learn what “typical” expressions look like and to try and mimic them. im right about 60% of the time guessing what others are feeling based off of their expressions, but it took a lot of work and it takes a LOT of practice and knowing how that particular person works) he looks like he never learned how to properly mask as an adult.

[@Chair14]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[@leadcoachemily]

Regardless of whether or not I think he did it, the body language, while "unsettling," is most likely a mixture of a trauma response and the discomfort he is feeling giving such a high-profile interview. He had never been interviewed before this. Idk I just feel like people are quick to judge his mannerisms without realizing that everyone emotes differently.

[@CourtneyLou]

I feel like he's getting persecuted as if he were an adult at the time. He was a child. He wasn't "thinking", he was merely reacting. Nine-year-olds will paint the walls with nail varnish and think it's a great idea at the time. Ask them why they decided to do it and you get a Pikachu shock face.

[@stephanienewhouse2056]

I've never met a normal 9 year old who would paint the walls with nail varnish.

[@LadyWisteriaa]

@@stephanienewhouse2056 puting nail polish on the wall isnt strange...

[@stephanienewhouse2056]

@@LadyWisteriaa Well, at our house putting nail polish on painted sheetrock walls isn't just strange; it's a couple of thousand dollars...so no, it's not ok.

[@Silkendrum]

Nail polish on walls at 5, or maybe even 6, is not unexpected. It's fun. By 9, they know better, and it's no longer just kid stuff, it's acting out, it's anger.

[@CourtneyLou]

Maybe this was a bad example, I clearly don't have kids. So we're clear, Burke never did this so let's not persecute him for this too. I just feel that we are all looking at an adult and judging him based on what an adult or a rational brain would do. He was not in that space back then.

[@patrickwayne9074]

Good job here. You keep the viewer locked in to the end and present everything in a professional manner.

[@cathy7824]

I'm sure his childhood was hell. I can only imagine how other children in his class treated him.

[@shad5107]

I believe Burke was abused himself, which would explain his strange demeanour. Also, after his sister's death, what sort of screwed up childhood would he have had? How could he become what we call "normal"?

[@avieebvlogs8018]

But literally a few days after she had died he claimed he was just chilling and playing video games, therefore he didn’t really care that much. He seemed very calm and left her out of a family picture he drew. He said he felt completely safe in his home, which wouldn’t make sense. Also when the pineapple bowl was mentioned he froze for a minute before her said anything about it.

[@igkat8]

The casual mention of him "regularly" smearing feces in her bed screams child abuse.

[@k9maiden5]

I agree, I feel very sorry for him. He was not allowed to have a normal life. I wonder how his older siblings feel and how they were treated by their dad.

[@j03cool]

@@k9maiden5 Dad had an older daughter who died earlier too. I believe it was a "car wreck".

[@A10TOES]

@@igkat8 since she frequently wet the bed, maybe in his mind if there was poop in the bed JB would be punished worse. Jealous

[@wednesdayjill9241]

one morning before school i was still sleeping my mom screamed from downstairs after injuring herself with the blender and with the combination of being an abused 9 year old child and fear i also stayed put in my bed and didn’t move until it was time for me to get up. Dr Phil finding it suspicious that a 9 year old child didn’t act like maybe an adult would in that situation is a very odd take to have given he’s supposed to be some sort of a professional and should know kids aren’t rational beings because they’re just simply children

[@keniammartinez83]

2022 and this case still intriguing. I think they were all involved in her death. Pure evil.

[@timothyevo]

The entire family was exonerated years later when advancements in DNA testing identified an unknown man's DNA found in JonBenet's underwear. The district attorney cleared them of any wrong-doing. John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, is fighting to this day to have the DNA tested again with even more accurate and informative methods. He recently petitioned his governor to force the police department that handled the investigation to release the DNA so that this testing can be done. The brutal murder of your daughter and sister is already horrible, but to be forever accused of the crime by so many people has to be haunting.

[@bethryan9077]

This is the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know A Damn Thing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child. At the very beginning, the media put out that JB was strangled to death & that was the Medical Examiner’s Report which was Correct. The blows to this child’s head were just After that. Who did the old switcheroo & for what reason? You have No idea what was going on behind the scenes with those lousy & ever deceitful Cops. The Authorities Plus Forensic Scientists, Proved Intruders Were In That House. One half of the public are still back in the Old Days, you all need to Catch Up, it is Not still 1996, 1997, 1998. Expert investigators Continued Working This Case. Soo many in the public domain are stuck in a friggin Time Warp. The other half watched that Bogus CBS TV Show & believed it all & now it’s the Kid brother Burke who bonked his little sister on the head over a piece of pineapple. LOL. The False & misleading information that is Still being portrayed on Most of the vids on Utube, is the Same False & Misleading information that media & books put out from Way Back Then. Wake Up America! Go do some Actual Research. Learn about the Actual evidence. You people have seen a few photos - pineapple in a bowl, flashlight on a bench, cord on a stick, writing on some pages. That is Not Evidence & most certainly Nothing to do with Evidence of Murder. Thank goodness you people didn't get to see More photos. LOL. FYI - there were Hundreds. Someone made a TV 'show' & told you all those items were evidence about the Ramseys & Burke, they Were Not. You have All been Hoodwinked. The ONLY piece that you people know about that Can be classed as evidence, is the notepad. THAT Was Used to Commit this crime. That Did come from the house. There is No Other Evidence From That House, that was Used To Commit This Crime. So what have you people got? Never ending stupid Crap that you all post, that Also has Nothing to do with the Murder of This Child. Access the autopsy photos that are online, they are shoulders up only. Have a good look at the burn on this child's cheek & the cord left embedded in her neck. There were also abrasions at the base of her neck from that cord, from earlier vile acts with that Bondage Device. That was Not a garrotte. Some Idiot thought that Word looked good for a Headline & in a Book, because of that One Photo. A garrotte has Two handles to work, Not One. Source the Photo of the Whole thing. What I have Already told about That, is the True Facts. The Authentic autopsy report States about the rust coloured marks at each temple & the same rust coloured marks on the back of one leg. Crime scene photos Show the rusty log grabber in the Cellar. The authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st page has the symbol/emblem for Boulder County- That flashlight was Not a weapon used & that did Not belong to the Ramseys. The authentic autopsy report Proves JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple, Forensics Proved That. Patsy did Not write that note, the Experts Proved That & the Writing was Not the Only factor that Proved That, She Did NOT. Glenn Meyer took the notepad when he invited himself to their Xmas party on the 23rd, Simple as That. He organised this crime for Money, his 3 cohorts had their Own Ideas for Money. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for money & revenge. There are Many reasons why kidnapping has always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why that is a Fact. The plan - JB was Never to be taken from that basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called & they didn’t get that quick cash. They sure didn’t go to so much trouble & such high risk for Nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. True Crime for a great many, is way too much to Fathom when you don’t know about the True Facts. The Ramseys were Officially Exonerated a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual Evidence & by Real experts, including Forensic Scientists. Just because you don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. The DNA from an unknown male has been in CODIS since 2003. Give the FBI a call. Clearly you people need to Learn what DNA is About. You have been watching TV for over 25 Years & you Choose to believe it All, as long as it’s Against - the Ramseys. You don’t care which one, Or, you decide on all 3. Yet, you don’t even know about ANY Actual Evidence. Shame on every one of You. This case - Has Never Been To Trial & so, You have Never Seen the Case Evidence. What sort of people say all they do about this Very Kind family, when you have Never even Seen Any of the Evidence about the Crime? Loads of you even Demean this murdered little girl also & since 2016, her 9 year old brother too, because of a Bogus TV ‘show’ that was put out by a pack of Con Artists. Burke was Never even a suspect & was interviewed That afternoon when he was still at the Whites by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, Nor did they know that was happening. Patterson spoke Publicly after that Bogus CBS ‘show’ & said Burke knew Nothing & was Very worried that his sister was still missing. None of you even Know what was Actually perpetrated upon JonBenet, nor do you Care to Find Out, because you’re all too busy spouting all your hateful Garbage about a case that You Know Nothing About & At a fine Upstanding family who Didn’t Do A Damn Thing & who, In Fact, were Victims.. Soo many down the threads, all sites, are an Absolute Disgrace & that’s just another True Fact. A great many people say that 'it doesn't add up'. But, soo many people, Don't Know Any True Facts about - Anything & so, you are Not in the position to say - that it doesn't add up. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent with a mountain of Actual evidence & eventually by a bunch of Seasoned Experts, including Forensic Scientists. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw 'Facts In Evidence' which Included the autopsy photos, the photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence. . . Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. The vids are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both show Fake pages put up on the screen As If from police files, the Same False & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too. Soo many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are Highly Gullible & all those who are - Particularly Hateful

[@bethryan9077]

The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think You Know about this crime - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The BPD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

[@bethryan9077]

The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer. BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door just before 6 a.m. because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. The general public know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies - for Help. Mrs Stine too but she couldn’t come. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement, that’s all. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior also, he too failed to see those windows. He reported to the 2 detectives, when all 3 were sitting in the car at the supermarket carpark, that there was no forced entry yet he hadn’t checked the Double door near the kitchen either. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case.

[@dianedeck]

When I was seven my little sister went missing, she was 2. My mom started running around the house screaming calling her name , crying, definitely in a frantic panic. We lived in the country and there were three ponds relatively close to our property and my mom always had a fear of us kids going too close to those ponds. Anyway , I remember not being concerned about my sister so much I was seven I don't think I understood the weight of the possibility that she could be drowned or something like that. I was panicked but it was just because I didn't like seeing my mother so distraught. So I can kinda see why he might not be much concerned about his sister when his mother was looking for her. However I always had a feeling that Burke did something and the parents were protecting him. BTW as mom was running around in a panic she told me to look for her. I literally walked around the corner and saw that little brat hiding behind the door. She was fine. haha. Mom however grew about 100 gray hairs that day.

[@tinataylor3758]

I know what you mean. My younger sister was very friendly and would talk to anyone. I remember 2 different times, at a crowded lake beach, when we couldn't find her. My Mom was very panicked. I was concerned, but not panicked. I was probably about 7, and my sister was 3. We did find her both times, off playing with some kids. I think then that my parents thought it more likely that she drowned, rather than was kidnapped. They were ready to do that search where all the adults hold hands and walk in the water. That was scary, but I don't remember thinking that she could have been dead. As a parent myself, total panic a few times, briefly.

[@ruthannabauer1022]

This reminds me of my brother. One day my Mama had been caught up in her housework & baking & took for granted that her 2 toddlers, 3 yrs, 2 mos. & 4 yrs. old, were playing in the living room where she left us. She came to check on us & my brother wasn't there he was AWOL! We went thru the house calling his name & searching everywhere even in large drawers. The more she looked the more she panicked! She knew that he couldn't have gone outside bc we couldn't reach the locks on the screen doors. She had me hunting for him too & the more panicked she became the more terrified I became! We went to look in her bedroom for the umpteenth time & low & behold I turned around & looked behind the door. There he was STANDING in that little corner behind the doorn sound asleep! He was so deep in sleep that Mama had to shake him to wake him up. There was such relief @ finding him! But my brother had that great ability to be able to fall asleep just about anywhere, anytime the rest of his life. Insomnia was never a problem w/ him but skipped him & landed on me, darn it! Anyhoo, that's 1 very distinct memory from childhood concerning the terror of missing siblings. BTW, we made sure that everyone heard that story about him, ESPECIALLY his new girlfriends, ha,ha,ha! (That was right before our Mama brot out the family photo albums to show our naked baby pictures!😒)😉😄

[@bethryan9077]

This is the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child nor do you Care to Find Out what Really happened to JonBenet, because you're all too busy bangin on with a load of Endless Rubbish about her whole family. The same menagerie of people who are Misinformed, Naive, Ignorant, Rude, Aggressive, Abusive, Despicable & downright Stupid. The Same people who denigrate the Ramseys for a blink of an eye & accuse them of abuse for No sound reason as well as the accusations of vile acts against Both Kids plus the sadistic Murder of their adored 6 year old little girl. Then there's all those who are even Worse & say the Same about JB's 9 year old Kid brother. You all post your crap about this fine upstanding family who were In Fact - All Proven Innocent a Long Long time ago. BTW - who would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops! Only morons believe Patsy did That! Loads of you Make Up more stupid Shite & post about your ‘observations’ as if you are seasoned investigators working the case that Must Have happened Recently. LOL. Comment pages full of never ending mindless thought processes due to your severe Lack of Knowledge, Hateful hearts & then there's all the Envy going on. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent, due to a mountain of something called Evidence & by a bunch of Real experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because You Don't Know about that evidence, Does NOT Mean that it doesn't Exist. The Exoneration of all the Ramseys in 2008 was just from evidence that was known about way back at that time. FYI - the investigation Continued. All of you brainwashed zombies are running around trying to feel all important & so smart yet don't even have 3 brain cells left to realise that - this case hasn't been to trial & so, the Actual Evidence about the case was Not released to the media & So, not on your TV. Loads of unscrupulous people have made loads of Dollars from people like You. Doh. Then there's the Industry of so-called 'experts' who say Whatever & you all lap it up with fervent Glee. You watch TV, pick out what you Choose to believe, then post that on these sites As If facts whilst at the same time dreaming up more BS & posting that As If factual too. Yawn. Some people have done actual Research, isn't that Shocking. You & your like watch TV shows full of False & misleading information & read books of BS & then repeat it all like well trained monkeys at a Zoo. Go Learn what DNA is for a Start. The DNA that was Collected, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from an Unknown Male, that has been in CODIS since 2003 & which Means - NO Ramseys At All.

[@dianedeck]

@@bethryan9077 wow someone needs a chill pill. Calm down noone is marching anyone to the gallows here I am just speculating what seems possible to me. Sheesh

[@bethryan9077]

@@dianedeck The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022

[@lizziepols4057]

He might not have killed his sister. I don’t know. But man, he’s unsettling and creepy. The whole family is weird.

[@pamelajackson2383]

if you think that family is weird....i can't imagine what you'd think about people i have known. C'mon, that family was NOT weird.

[@nyasiia433]

I don’t think he did it but I believe he was up that night and saw and heard everything

[@lizziepols4057]

@@nyasiia433 I think that whole family definitely knew more than they would admit.

[@nyasiia433]

@@lizziepols4057 I think so too

[@AlmaWells]

@@nyasiia433 - The reason I believe that lunatic smiling weirdo... killed his little sister... is because he was eating a bowl of pineapples, and she ran up to the table and grabbed a pineapple, popped it in her mouth and ran ! He chased her and BASHED the back of her head !!!!!! and then... that smiling creep... NEVER finished eating his bowl of pineapples !!!!!! The police asked why there was a bowl of pineapples on the table

[@ReineDeScene]

I work as an EMT and have been in a lot of situations where terrible things are happening around children, like family members in the house dying or being extremely hurt or sick. More often than not they freeze up and stay rooted in one spot. It doesn’t surprise me at all that a 9 year old would stay in bed.

[@justjosie8963]

Dr Phil seems to be the only one confused about it.

[@Loyaltoafault210]

But what if that was him on the 911 call?

[@bethryan9077]

@@Loyaltoafault210 One needs to Think about WHY that Evidence of the recording was put on a TV programme & in the early stages of the investigation no less. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write. He told John & Patsy that she hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke was in the background. He asked them why they lied in saying he was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. He refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Proven Liar whose only accolade Before being made detective for a murder case was busting a bike theft ring. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Doh. And he was interviewed that afternoon by detective Patterson at 2 pm when he was still at the Whites, where he had been since 7.15 a.m., with adult relatives of the Whites & their 2 kids. Neither of his parents were Present, nor did they know that police interview was happening.

[@nunyamindyub3255]

@@bethryan9077Is there footage of Patsy hanging up the phone? Please refer me to the link, I can’t find it. Also, the footage of the piece of furniture under the phone please, thanks.

[@TerrySimpson-ii1vp]

That boy killed his sister you can see that on the way he acts.

[@lauragallardo9830]

his smiling during the intire video is not normal when you loose a family member.

[@dellacurtice7208]

He has autistic traits. I have a autistic child. Autism spectrum comes in many ways. He looks high spectrum. It's not if the Ramsey's would have told anyone. It's all about them

[@christienelson1437]

True he may be autistic and being the first born child likely didn’t help. He was the baby at first and a boy!

[@narjissenarj6618]

You're right.

[@jbjjbb]

I think so too.

[@Cissy2cute]

Strangely I haven't read or heard anyone suggest he has autism. I've always wondered why. It certainly is a possibility.

[@carolynneboyton189]

Defo on the spectrum...... Spot on Delia Curtice

[@kimellis5788]

I think he has an extreme anxiety disorder. My son and I both do, and I understand his body language and even the fact that he just stayed in bed and didn’t get up. People who are high anxiety can seem very odd.

[@abibb27]

Amen. I come off odd, awkward and rude to people but really I’m just scared all the time.

[@mcsmith732]

I think he's chronically terrified. If you cover the bottom of his face and just look at his eyes, he looks like some of those old photos of "shell-shock". I think that he has CPTSD, was abused as a child and feels threatened and panicked all the time.

[@GothicVioletVixen]

I got flavors of neurodivergence too.

[@kristinwood8884]

@@abibb27 me too.😔

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

Thank you! I am the same .. it’s weird

[@lostcontrol1981]

I’m assuming he’s Aspergers or on the Autistic scale somehow - and he’s had a lot of education to get him to be able to cope with talking to people. He has probably been taught to smile because in general people like people who smile and make eye contact. In this situation it doesn’t make sense - but generally people appreciate being smiled at. I don’t think he was sad Jon Benett died - but I think he has trouble feeling sympathy for anyone. It’s just part of his brain - he focuses in on himself.

[@lisalaunspach871]

Was coming to say the same thing. Hes definitely on the spectrum

[@henriettagingrich2292]

He is not.

[@lostcontrol1981]

@@henriettagingrich2292 - no? Any explanation for the unnatural way of smiling during topics most people wouldn’t smile through? His odd relationship with his sister? His odd speech patterns????

[@wendyarenz3429]

Nope....I’m not buying ASD in this case. Too many people reach for the “autism” reason why.......🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@lostcontrol1981]

@@wendyarenz3429 - any thoughts on anything else? Obviously he’s got some sort of social interaction issues. I’m no specialist on autism. I just know a few people on the spectrum (I’m a mom of a 19 year old son and my mom taught handicapped kids for 30+ years). I don’t really care and I’m not here to diagnose. We just need to point out that there is something here that’s obviously had a lot of coaching when he was young because he likely didn’t relate to others at all snd his parents got him treatment.

[@libbystarke2034]

You nailed it. That would be my evaluation of Burke. He was so left out and felt like he was invisible. I agree with everything you said.

[@mlee_wood3778]

It's odd to me how mostly people focused on burke and the mom as suspects but left out the dad.

[@ashcatchum]

I know right? I felt like people believed him more and thought oh boo hoo he misses his daughter s he’s daddy’s girl kinda thing and he loves her so much and put the hostility on the mom because she was close to her daughter and would believe that forged note was her handwriting, they ate it right up.

[@MiraculousAngelTarot]

In one of his most recent interviews John Ramsey was saying how while he and Patsey were travelling while she was stil alive she was caryng a blue dress with her just in case someone reveals the real murder and they need to give an interview for the media. You can clearly see duper's delight smile on his face while thinking of this scenario.

[@mlee_wood3778]

@@MiraculousAngelTarot did he say that after patsy died? It seems like a convenient thing to remember once she cant defend herself

[@unprocessed_life]

which is weird because it's john who was super cold in all interviews

[@MiraculousAngelTarot]

He said that during an interview with Oprah and he was smiling.

[@alexxia1014]

Hey could you maybe do videos about people who talk about their experience with paranormal activities? If they are honest or if they lie? Would be great because it would combine my favorite topics😂 Thanks for your great videos!

[@kjkalways8470]

YES!!! This!!! 💯!!!!

[@gbecks3672]

Yes!! This is a great idea!

[@michelmurphy1979]

Love that idea 💡

[@Magicme79]

Yes! I’d be especially interested in the you tubers

[@superhornyalien]

Yes!

[@cassidy2453]

Yes! Such a well-done read. I am a therapist and actually watched the interview alone before watching your analysis, and it was making me so mad that everyone in the comments of the Dr. Phil video was saying he is a psychopath/murderer based solely on his smile and detachment. However, i recognized it as a defense mechanism almost immediately as smiling in moments of discomfort is a defense mechanism that i revert to myself. Thank you for getting your professional opinion out there to help educate people on the variety of human responses!

[@shaanee]

the flaw in what you say is that it is also consistent with being guilty. He is more likely to act 'abnormal' than 'normal'. He can have a defense mechanism AND be guilty - because he has it doesn't mean it should be ruled out. This is a flaw in how humans think.

[@bethryan9077]

@@shaanee The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved.. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.* The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.

[@Slinkyminky1]

The guy is a freak. Neglected 😂😂 he had everything. He did it. Jealous vicious creep.

[@bethryan9077]

@@shaanee All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.

[@cherylthompson2731]

My niece was picked on by her brother. Burke reminds me of my nephew. He's autistic and very strong for a child.

[@rhythmnblues9195]

The more a family appears happy and perfect in vids and pictures, the less I believe it.

[@longshlongfan5883]

that’s exactly how my family is.

[@rhythmnblues9195]

@@longshlongfan5883 I don’t believe it.

[@longshlongfan5883]

@@rhythmnblues9195 yeah you shouldn’t. both of my parents are crazy but they seem perfect to everyone else.

[@rhythmnblues9195]

@@longshlongfan5883 Perfection doesn’t exist. Thankfully it doesn’t or life would be a lot less interesting...

[@aslater5]

Happy families don’t feel the need to put it on display. I have a happy family and I don’t put anything out there. Why try to make other people feel worse?

[@nataliebarron2583]

My thumbs up is dedicated to the fact that he said “flappy flap” in his sponsorship

[@DianaNacho333]

Patsy made it so much worse being a classic “stage mom” and trying to live her young and beautiful years again through her daughter.

[@Lurkey-Loo]

I think she used it as an escape. Patsy had survived stage 4 ovarian cancer and JonBenet was finally at an age that she could really throw herself into. Jon Ramsey had said in an interview that it was Patsy's way of spending as much time as she could with her daughter because she didn't know how long she would have. Patsy was also all about painting the perfect life but nothing was perfect at all. I think Jon was molesting JB, I think Burke had a lot of pent up rage that had come out more than once, and Patsy did everything she could to stay in denial and enjoy her perfect life. I do believe Burke did it though.

[@BB-ty6iy]

@@Lurkey-Loo I agree with you but I don’t think Burke did it. He was too young, I wouldn’t be surprised if he saw or heard something though. I believe he knows his father did it... or did something. I don’t see why the mom would have covered it up. I think the dad was trying to shut her up and she died in the process.

[@O-T-7-BTS]

Diana, I think she was absolutely trying to live her life through her daughter. She said during an interview that anyone that thought these pageant girls looked to sexualized were just sick. I found that very odd. How could anyone looking at them not think the same? They make these young girls look like hookers and I honestly think the majority of the moms that put their young girls in these crazy pageants arts also trying to live through them. Someone in that house that killed that child.

[@ameliastelmach148]

Great video. As far as Burke's smiling continuously I heard a theory that makes sense. His mother and sister were deep into the beauty pageant lifestyle and they were conditioned to smile all of the time. I believe he adopted that continuous smile through his mom and sister.

[@igkat8]

Wait. "He often smeared feces in her bed"?!? That is a HUGE red flag of some major, major, major issues.

[@DDios-ih9de]

Hostility family rivalry He was emotionally neglected because of. His. Spoiled sister I hated mine Liar idiot jealous troble maker Died young alcohol poisoning I cried of Pitt Hi surprise 5 rehabs since 15 But drank since 12 ?

[@AlexaLake1]

It is claimed that JonBonet used to sometimes wet her bed. What if he would wait until she was asleep and then sneak into her room and urinate on her bed to get her in trouble with Patsy?

[@carolv8450]

@@AlexaLake1 👍

[@topazstars7734]

@@AlexaLake1 that seems really far fetched

[@englishgarden2189]

@@AlexaLake1 Or She was Sexually Abused ? Weakens your Bladder, if you’re soo young

[@heathernikki5734]

I guarantee you if my mom had ran around nuts and I saw strange men in my room I would NOT get up. It's sad how he's been thrown under the bus for being 9 at the time and being awkward. THANK YOU SO MUCH for explaining the smile!! It's hard to live with it and being labeled as childish or weird.

[@Rubyofthestars]

Same..I would have been too scared to do anything.

[@IratePuffin]

When I was around that age my mom had to be taken to the hospital in the middle of the night. Something had gone wrong with my baby brother she was pregnant with. I just remember being terrified and I didn’t get out of my bed.

[@Lavieenrose99999]

Exactly!

[@leslie7254]

Me too!

[@sharyllee7094]

And, you know, no matter what, the fact that his sister got killed, even if he knew it might be his father, would scare the crap out of a child, he's oppressed/suppressed for survival's sake.

[@NovelNovelist]

LOL, no template for the note. Clippy: "Looks like you're writing a ransom note..."

[@onipot9639]

Such a dated reference - but I am here for it XD

[@therealdeal3672]

The note would have been shorter!

[@johnfritzel9833]

What kidnapper is dumb enough to kill the child, leave the body in the house, and then expect to be paid because they write a three page ransom note? Parents trying to cover up an accidental beating that resulted in a death.

[@bethryan9077]

The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.

[@bethryan9077]

You need to do some Actual research online instead of believing all that you read in books & see on TV Shows. That Bogus CBS 'show', formatted to James Kolar's book of BS blaming Burke & that's why Kolar was on there too. Sensationalism sells & soo many just lapped it all up yet that was about blaming a 9 year old Kid. CBS were mightily sued for the gross misleading of the public & those lying con artists were included in the suit. CBS settled out of court & paid up with mega millions of $$$. The 2 so-called scientists, Lee & Spitz, were personally sued for their deliberate lies & misinformation. These 2 often worked as Paid Pipers for defence teams - for example - OJ Simpson, Michael Peterson, Caylee Anthony. There were Two Severe fractures to the skull. One was from the top of the head & Open to nearly the length of the skull, the other was a Hole & a Separate injury. How does a whack on the head, by any means or from Any weapon produce Two fractures like That? It is a fact that if Either of the fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the cord when in bed & tasered on her back, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried down to the boiler room. She was given a lot of water over a period of Hours & tasered & tortured with the bondage device, that was Not a garrotte - that's Why the loops over the shirt at her wrists. All can source the photo of the whole thing. The Authentic autopsy report can be found online. The 1st page has the symbol for Colorado. JB was never unconscious & there were dig marks from her nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The autopsy photos show those marks And the White nylon Cord that was left Embedded in her neck. The blows to the head occurred just after her death, 3 weapons, each in evidence & None were that flashlight. The 1st blow caused the huge Open fracture down the skull & the photo of the skull shows the impact from the brick used, on the top of the head. A crime scene photo of the cellar shows the brick. The measurements Match. The 3rd blow caused the hole that the 2nd started & that weapon was a black steel ball bat that the perps put on the half-wall outside of the butler's kitchen door where they exited from. There is a crime scene photo showing that bat & the glass exit door left wide open when the cops knew it was shut earlier. The utility knife was left in the cellar & the tool used to do the small stabs to the skull, was broken off & never found. From the position of the cord at the front of the neck & the necklace caught at the bottom of the cord at the front Proves JB was on her Back when strangled to death. It is Not a coincidence that the necklace was in that position & the gold cross was turned to the back. There were rust coloured marks at each temple & on the calf of one leg. A rusty log grabber was found in the cellar & is in some crime scene photos. This was also used in another aspect of the crime before the perps left. The paintbrush was cut & broken into 3 parts & the whittling of the wood was only to implicate Burke - the housekeeper used to chat to the Barnhills, Glenn Meyer was ever listening. That was Not a paintbrush of Patsys. The tip was used at JB's genitals & that caused bleeding that was wiped off with a blue cloth. The fibres are mentioned in the Authentic autopsy report. The tip was never found because some deviants keep trophies. Other vile acts occurred but too sensitive for this page. The large pee stain on both garments is mostly on the front & all-but to the waist on both, due to positioning earlier. This whole crime for money & revenge was set up to incriminate the whole family if the cops were called & the perps didn't get their quick cash. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. That CBS 'show' put up a doctored photo of JB's sheets with a big yellow stain when in fact JB did Not wet the bed. They swayed the public with 'some parts' that had been heard & read about previously & just twisted info to suit Their agenda. They said a ligature was 'wrapped around the neck as staging' & showed a package of blue rope. Fact - in the guest room, a blue rope was found in a bag, neither of those items belonged to the Ramseys. Then there was the denial on that 'show' of any attack at JB's genitals because the Real Facts of what happened to the child there, was too much of a stretch for their Audience to believe Burke would have done all, Or the parents & That's Why they didn't Talk about the huge fracture down the length of the skull Or the strangulation. And Then they said the cops were looking for the wrong offender. Spitz had the Hide to say that the very small slithers of wood must have jumped into the vagina when John carried her up the stairs & referred to That as contamination. There was a second autopsy done with other pathologists present & so, a 2nd report. Burke's train tracks had 3 steel pointy pins Not 2 blunt ones. Kolar made up That garbage from his head, saying Burke jabbed JB on the back so 2 'abrasions'. Spitz said Burke did that when JB was deceased because he knew full well, if still alive, 2 hard jabs would have caused bruising. The ME had No experience with stun guns Or tasers & that's why he noted as 'abrasions' in his first report. The type of air taser used has been identified & they were Burns, not abrasions, the shapes were rectangular. The same burns on her face & under her ear, as on her back & are the same Width apart. The reason for the area hit near the brain, is about control - instant pain, little balance to walk & poor memory. The one on her face was bigger because the electrode was placed there more than once. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs, 1993, Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns to his face, the second was on his ear lobe. Those air tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. They did that Pathetic ‘demo’ about DNA, knowing Full Well the DNA was from Three Different places & in CODIS. The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & with their Own marker & then put both near the phone For The Cops? Nobody. There is something fundamentally Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That. For the Real investigators, that was the First clue that told them the Ramseys were not involved. Unfortunately for the Ramseys, Steve Thomas was brought in as one of the detectives because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder case before. He thought he would make a name for himself from the high profile crime & constantly talked about the book he was going to write. The BPD were only interested in saving their own incompetent asses & went into damage control because the child was found in the home that afternoon by her poor father when Their officers Should Have Found Her early that morning. They Hid lots of what they did & didn't do from the public & the Mayor pretended there was no maniac child killer running around town so the media were at the family Instead. Thomas & his cronies also Hid vital evidence from their superiors & the DA on several occasions including from the grand jury, Of Course. Federal Court Judge Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent in 2003 due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online which includes what She had to say about Cina Wong & Steve Thomas, both proven liars. Thomas resigned on national TV because that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS he went off to write, blaming Patsy because of a notepad. He had illegally taken evidence material from the BPD because his useless ass was about to be Fired. He was sued for his book of lies & garnered Money from the public to fund his defence & then refused to get on the stand to back himself. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent. Alex Hunter Saw all the evidence known at that time, that pointed to an intruder, the public Did Not. Many years later, James Kolar was in the DA's office for a short time, was fired & he went off to write His book of BS for financial gain also & blamed Burke. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence known at that stage that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA that had already Cleared them All plus lots of others then & since including known paedos & then John Mark Karr who said he did it. Officer Beckner also made false statements to the media. He at least came to some realisations eventually & publicly stated "when the owner of the DNA is found, there's your killer". What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died & he continues still. Because of the Many dedicated private investigators who continued the search Unpaid, all is now Known & the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up. There has been so many so-called experts who came out of the woodwork to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime which Soo Many seem to Forget is About a 6 Year Old Child. There are also many pages put on vids with 'typing' as If from police files, all Fake. Then some pages with 'words' & 'letters down columns' as if Patsy wrote that, all Fake. It's been over 25 years & the BS continues to go around about this case. I don't know when the autopsy photos, the authentic autopsy report & so much more was put online but it's there now. Obviously the 'authors' & promoters of documentaries & such Never expected Actual Evidence to be available to the public.

[@charliekane135]

@John Fritzel It's probably that simple yes. Well the sibling abuse wasn't accidental but it wasn't intended to be fatal

[@jenniferdorsey8141]

For crying out loud he was a little boy when this happened and Dr Phil is questioning him like it happened yesterday and seems defensive when BR doesn’t answer the way he wants

[@susanduplessis8628]

I think he suffered severe abuse that no one will ever find out about. I see alot pain and helplessness

[@s.a9662]

RIGHT!!! I think because I was too abused myself I can see it! And I’m actually wondering if a he was medically checked after the incident if not he definitely should have been checked! Even for sexual assault he’s not ok I can see it!

[@ritadelitta424]

Exactly

[@willnill7946]

That’s what you think, you weren’t there

[@bethryan9077]

This is the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know Anything about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child nor do you Care to Find Out what Really happened to JonBenet, because you're all too busy bangin on with a load of Endless Rubbish about her whole family. The same menagerie of people who are Misinformed, Naive, Ignorant, Rude, Aggressive, Abusive, Despicable & downright Stupid. The Same people who denigrate the Ramseys for a blink of an eye & accuse them of abuse for No sound reason as well as the accusations of vile acts against Both Kids plus the sadistic Murder of their adored 6 year old little girl. Then there's all those who are even Worse & say the Same about JB's 9 year old Kid brother. You all post your crap about this fine upstanding family who were In Fact - All Proven Innocent a Long Long time ago. BTW - who would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops! Only morons believe Patsy did That! Loads of you Make Up more stupid Shite & post about your ‘observations’ as if you are seasoned investigators working the case that Must Have happened Recently. LOL. Comment pages full of never ending mindless thought processes due to your severe Lack of Knowledge, Hateful hearts & then there's all the Envy going on. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent, due to a mountain of something called Evidence & by a bunch of Real experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because You Don't Know about that evidence, Does NOT Mean that it doesn't Exist. The Exoneration of all the Ramseys in 2008 was just from evidence that was known about way back at that time. FYI - the investigation Continued. All of you brainwashed zombies are running around trying to feel all important & so smart yet don't even have 3 brain cells left to realise that - this case hasn't been to trial & so, the Actual Evidence about the case was Not released to the media & So, not on your TV. Loads of unscrupulous people have made loads of Dollars from people like You. Doh. Then there's the Industry of so-called 'experts' who say Whatever & you all lap it up with fervent Glee. You watch TV, pick out what you Choose to believe, then post that on these sites As If facts whilst at the same time dreaming up more BS & posting that As If factual too. Yawn. Some people have done actual Research, isn't that Shocking. You & your like watch TV shows full of False & misleading information & read books of BS & then repeat it all like well trained monkeys at a Zoo. Go Learn what DNA is for a Start. The DNA that was Collected, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from an Unknown Male, that has been in CODIS since 2003 & which Means - NO Ramseys At All. You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022

[@joshuapatrick682]

So one thing we seem to be forgetting is that he was 9. 9 years old…what would you do in a situation where your mom is freaking out then cops are coming in and out of the room? Do you even know? What can we realistically look to as an example of “normal” behavior for a 9 year old in this situation?

[@Userajmc]

2 young boys around the same age savagely murdered a 2 year old boy called James bulger in the UK so it's not unheard of but I don't believe he did it. I still think patsy did it and john helped cover it up there's alot of evidence that points to her. Burke knows something but hel never reveal it

[@bethryan9077]

@@Userajmc Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m. The Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. He just said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long til cops arrived? After calling 911 she called the Whites & Fernies for Help. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. The big area of pee staining on both undergarments prove that. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position is why the big area of pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off & never found. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (Top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME chunks of pineapple were in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the bits in the top pf the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no cash. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick on the top of the head & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Their back-up was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from drawers & cupboards & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do & the Real experts know that. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known & also because the crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with fresh pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

[@birdy369]

That, And the fact that I've read and heard multiple times that the ramseys had family friends there as support while the police were investigating still looking for JonBenet, And I'd heard that they sent a friend up there to sit with Burke and care for him while this was going on. The police epically failed because they screwed up the crime scene evidence by letting this go on, as well as failing to isolate possible witnesses/suspects from eachother so they can't communicate n whatnot

[@lenalucas626]

8 year old shows evil y are acting like it dont happen....she was younger n act like an adult do d maths....wat happen to her was horrible y wasnt d whole house search before calling d police children likes to ward away wen no one is there y dey didnt search there cos dey knew she was there to cover up......he told d police wat he did in d interview n acr like he heard it from his parents but his actions showed dat he was doing it all over again...

[@VerchielxKanda]

Dr. Phil: Is that her handwriting? Burke: Y'know, I was always told to have good handwriting- Dr. Phil didn't ask if YOU wrote it, child... =_= I remember when this was on the news so long ago. My mom kept up with it a little bit. When I asked her who she thinks did it, she said "Her jealous brother." with a straight face. As a kid I couldn't understand why, but seeing him now, I see what she saw.

[@bethryan9077]

You need to do some Actual research online instead of believing all that you read in books & see on TV Shows. That Bogus CBS 'show', formatted to James Kolar's book of BS blaming Burke & that's why Kolar was on there too. Sensationalism sells & soo many just lapped it all up yet that was about blaming a 9 year old Kid. CBS were mightily sued for the gross misleading of the public & those lying con artists were included in the suit. CBS settled out of court & paid up with mega millions of $$$. The 2 so-called scientists, Lee & Spitz, were personally sued for their deliberate lies & misinformation. These 2 often worked as Paid Pipers for defence teams - for example - OJ Simpson, Michael Peterson, Caylee Anthony. There were Two Severe fractures to the skull. One was from the top of the head & Open to nearly the length of the skull, the other was a Hole & a Separate injury. How does a whack on the head, by any means or from Any weapon produce Two fractures like That? It is a fact that if Either of the fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the cord when in bed & tasered on her back, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried down to the boiler room. She was given a lot of water over a period of Hours & tasered & tortured with the bondage device, that was Not a garrotte - that's Why the loops over the shirt at her wrists. All can source the photo of the whole thing. The Authentic autopsy report can be found online. The 1st page has the symbol for Colorado. JB was never unconscious & there were dig marks from her nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The autopsy photos show those marks And the White nylon Cord that was left Embedded in her neck. The blows to the head occurred just after her death, 3 weapons, each in evidence & None were that flashlight. The 1st blow caused the huge Open fracture down the skull & the photo of the skull shows the impact from the brick used, on the top of the head. A crime scene photo of the cellar shows the brick. The measurements Match. The 3rd blow caused the hole that the 2nd started & that weapon was a black steel ball bat that the perps put on the half-wall outside of the butler's kitchen door where they exited from. There is a crime scene photo showing that bat & the glass exit door left wide open when the cops knew it was shut earlier. The utility knife was left in the cellar & the tool used to do the small stabs to the skull, was broken off & never found. From the position of the cord at the front of the neck & the necklace caught at the bottom of the cord at the front Proves JB was on her Back when strangled to death. It is Not a coincidence that the necklace was in that position & the gold cross was turned to the back. There were rust coloured marks at each temple & on the calf of one leg. A rusty log grabber was found in the cellar & is in some crime scene photos. This was also used in another aspect of the crime before the perps left. The paintbrush was cut & broken into 3 parts & the whittling of the wood was only to implicate Burke - the housekeeper used to chat to the Barnhills, Glenn Meyer was ever listening. That was Not a paintbrush of Patsys. The tip was used at JB's genitals & that caused bleeding that was wiped off with a blue cloth. The fibres are mentioned in the Authentic autopsy report. The tip was never found because some deviants keep trophies. Other vile acts occurred but too sensitive for this page. The large pee stain on both garments is mostly on the front & all-but to the waist on both, due to positioning earlier. This whole crime for money & revenge was set up to incriminate the whole family if the cops were called & the perps didn't get their quick cash. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. That CBS 'show' put up a doctored photo of JB's sheets with a big yellow stain when in fact JB did Not wet the bed. They swayed the public with 'some parts' that had been heard & read about previously & just twisted info to suit Their agenda. They said a ligature was 'wrapped around the neck as staging' & showed a package of blue rope. Fact - in the guest room, a blue rope was found in a bag, neither of those items belonged to the Ramseys. Then there was the denial on that 'show' of any attack at JB's genitals because the Real Facts of what happened to the child there, was too much of a stretch for their Audience to believe Burke would have done all, Or the parents & That's Why they didn't Talk about the huge fracture down the length of the skull Or the strangulation. And Then they said the cops were looking for the wrong offender. Spitz had the Hide to say that the very small slithers of wood must have jumped into the vagina when John carried her up the stairs & referred to That as contamination. There was a second autopsy done with other pathologists present & so, a 2nd report. Burke's train tracks had 3 steel pointy pins Not 2 blunt ones. Kolar made up That garbage from his head, saying Burke jabbed JB on the back so 2 'abrasions'. Spitz said Burke did that when JB was deceased because he knew full well, if still alive, 2 hard jabs would have caused bruising. The ME had No experience with stun guns Or tasers & that's why he noted as 'abrasions' in his first report. The type of air taser used has been identified & they were Burns, not abrasions, the shapes were rectangular. The same burns on her face & under her ear, as on her back & are the same Width apart. The reason for the area hit near the brain, is about control - instant pain, little balance to walk & poor memory. The one on her face was bigger because the electrode was placed there more than once. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs, 1993, Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns to his face, the second was on his ear lobe. Those air tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. They did that Pathetic ‘demo’ about DNA, knowing Full Well the DNA was from Three Different places & in CODIS. The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & with their Own marker & then put both near the phone For The Cops? Nobody. There is something fundamentally Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That. For the Real investigators, that was the First clue that told them the Ramseys were not involved. Unfortunately for the Ramseys, Steve Thomas was brought in as one of the detectives because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder case before. He thought he would make a name for himself from the high profile crime & constantly talked about the book he was going to write. The BPD were only interested in saving their own incompetent asses & went into damage control because the child was found in the home that afternoon by her poor father when Their officers Should Have Found Her early that morning. They Hid lots of what they did & didn't do from the public & the Mayor pretended there was no maniac child killer running around town so the media were at the family Instead. Thomas & his cronies also Hid vital evidence from their superiors & the DA on several occasions including from the grand jury, Of Course. Federal Court Judge Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent in 2003 due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online which includes what She had to say about Cina Wong & Steve Thomas, both proven liars. Thomas resigned on national TV because that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS he went off to write, blaming Patsy because of a notepad. He had illegally taken evidence material from the BPD because his useless ass was about to be Fired. He was sued for his book of lies & garnered Money from the public to fund his defence & then refused to get on the stand to back himself. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent. Alex Hunter Saw all the evidence known at that time, that pointed to an intruder, the public Did Not. Many years later, James Kolar was in the DA's office for a short time, was fired & he went off to write His book of BS for financial gain also & blamed Burke. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence known at that stage that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA that had already Cleared them All plus lots of others then & since including known paedos & then John Mark Karr who said he did it. Officer Beckner also made false statements to the media. He at least came to some realisations eventually & publicly stated "when the owner of the DNA is found, there's your killer". What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died & he continues still. Because of the Many dedicated private investigators who continued the search Unpaid, all is now Known & the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up. There has been so many so-called experts who came out of the woodwork to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime which Soo Many seem to Forget is About a 6 Year Old Child. There are also many pages put on vids with 'typing' as If from police files, all Fake. Then some pages with 'words' & 'letters down columns' as if Patsy wrote that, all Fake. It's been over 25 years & the BS continues to go around about this case. I don't know when the autopsy photos, the authentic autopsy report & so much more was put online but it's there now. Obviously the 'authors' & promoters of documentaries & such Never expected Actual Evidence to be available to the public.

[@bencarter7839]

But, he went on to explain that his mother was a stickler for neat handwriting, and because of that, he didn't think it could be her handwriting. You left that part out.

[@cherylthompson2731]

Your mom was right.