God of War Ragnarok “Tyr” Sees The Prophecy That Odin Will Die

[@DannyDusse]

Mimir laughing at Odin right in his face is just too good😂

[@blytheskrieg]

All fucker hahaha

[@handgun559]

Listen I finished the game but fucking wow people don't care about spoilers. Not even fucking trying, are you pal.

[@jdb12345]

@@handgun559 why would u watch this if u don't wanna be spoiled?

[@GreedyOrange]

@@jdb12345 bc youve already been spoiled by the thumbnail/title,makes no difference to click on it after youve seen it,youtubers and youtubes algorythm is to blame really,or just avoid social media i guess

[@silverash896]

@@GreedyOrange unless they want to see more spoilers, don't click the video.

[@danewillis263]

“We now know something Odin doesn’t.” Odin: *snorts*

[@Zacynoodles]

Snorty snorturson

[@DaveMiller6042]

Kratos: Tyr, why did you snort?

[@NinoBrown212]

Look at "tyr" when he pushes past Atreus and realized groa lied. Funny how when you watch the scene again you realize they dropped clues. Masterful.

[@redcrewmate927]

Shit like that! Is hard to do these days!! The fact that they pulled it off is crazy good!

[@kurtisgalloway218]

I'm surprised he didn't break character.

[@timotius_sdv]

IM shocked when see that happen

[@shotgunman8635]

@@kurtisgalloway218 what do that was Odin at this point

[@hedgehoginacanoe5838]

Another clue was that 'tyr' was in some random mine with low security Instead of in asgard the most secure place in all the realms

[@Noooooone725]

“Tyr” staring at the prophecy knowing he was fooled for more than a hundred winters… aaaah it’s sooooo precious… Mimir laughing at his face unknowingly is sooo cool too.. all-fucker really didn’t see that coming

[@CardCaptorDeadpool]

WHAT DID YOU CALL HIM??!!

[@Noooooone725]

@@CardCaptorDeadpool that one’s for brok 🤘

[@DundG]

@@CardCaptorDeadpool The all-sucker!

[@paiwandibrahim3978]

Odin is the good guy kratos and vaneer are the villains

[@krabbecorkorn]

​@@paiwandibrahim3978bull*** he is

[@voltic1499]

good thing atreus never talked about ironwood and Angrboða in front of them. keeping that promise to her was actually very important, probably was the one thing odin didnt know about,had he found out, he definitely would have used her against him. and depending on if and when hed go after her, it couldve been before Atreus learned how to do the whole soul transfer thing, before he put the soul inside a young jormungandr. kindof cool

[@thebukojoeplays]

Another good thing is that Kratos stayed calm and reasonable the whole game. This opportunistic all-fcker would have used a raging Kratos to his advantage.

[@josephstalin2606]

I don’t understand why he couldn’t atleast just tell Kratos or something about Ironwood. Surely as long as Tyr wasn’t around to hear about it. Even then what would Odin have been able to do with knowing about Ironwood considering he couldn’t even find a way to Jotunheim to begin with and actually lost interest in it already

[@voltic1499]

@@josephstalin2606 i’m thinking that maybe odin lowkey sees/ hears everything, considering the amount of ravens we kill literally all around the 9 realms. so maybe if he told him while they were in the team between realms ? though as we know that’s not safe from odin either. and i think if odin did find out that ironwood was real from atreus, he’d probably find some way to squeeze it out of him, either by taking someone hostage, etc. and knowing atreus he’d def give the info up

[@lolrus5555]

@@voltic1499 I hear that. I just wish he initially said that 'I can't say, I made a promise, and if I break it, I could be putting a friend in jeopardy.' like he essentially said after he and Kratos reunited. Could've possibly avoided a lot of shit that way.

[@raphaelsilva9474]

He met angrboda and did the entire thing in a single trip to ironwood. Odin finding out would be bad, but he can't go back in time.

[@boxheadboiii]

"She lied" You watch it the first time and he says it with excitement You watch it a second and he says it with fear

[@lordmonocr6206]

Dude exactly!

[@fissilewhistle]

More like outrage. He basically wasted 100 winters planning for the wrong prophecy.

[@saboorheath7769]

His reaction was a subdued anger... he can't really react the way he wants to in that moment. The bump into atreus is another hint, since Odin can't see out of his right eye.

[@boxheadboiii]

@@saboorheath7769 OH MY GOD WAIT-... I never caught the eye thing, if that was intentional then that's good

[@boxheadboiii]

@@fissilewhistle fr, dude was pissed😂

[@shwowbow5858]

This twist is even more clever when you realize that Týr was the one who got Kratos and Atreus into a fight by calling him "champion". He's been trying to drive them apart the whole time.

[@MakaveliDior]

No that was Odin Tyr the real Tyr has the accent over the "y" when you free him at the end

[@Gabriel-Tár]

@@MakaveliDior Can you explain the thing about the accent lol

[@MakaveliDior]

@@Gabriel-Tár Do you see how the first comment wrote t"y"r with the accent over the y. The scammer Odin Tyr version when he said something there was no accent on the "y". When you free the real Tyr and he begins to talk you see the accent on his name maybe an indication that it's him

[@Gabriel-Tár]

@@MakaveliDior What a clever detail

[@stitch854679254]

@@Gabriel-Tár y and ý

[@Ancient_Tribesman]

"Tyr": 😯 Odin's Brain: 🤯 she lied wtf

[@timotius_sdv]

Even Groa still trick Odin by thingking Tyr was the one Who lead the Ragnarok

[@bot01020]

mimir: we finally knew something odin doesn't Odin: nice try

[@charles9489]

@@timotius_sdv why would groa lie to Odin though?!

[@jerryhu9005]

@@timotius_sdv She saw the wrong god of war lol

[@Zelurian]

@@charles9489 2 god of wars, i think the prophecy was referring to the foreign god of war which happen to also use spear (Draupnir)? Hence why Odin imprison Tyr, thinking it was actually him leading the battle

[@goddammtroubleman]

1:32 When the Champion appears, he's accompanied by a storm of spears. At first it just looks like a representation of an army, but it's really Draupnir

[@nerd-mask723]

Yeah that made it a bit too obvious. From the moment Kratos got the spear, I immediately was like "Ah! Okay the figure with the spear wasn't Tyr then, it was Kratos!"

[@RossoNero1987]

There are also 8 spears 1:40 just like Draupnir

[@XultanisDragon]

Champion was Atreus, the god of war was Kratos.

[@IssaKhanBrat]

​@@RossoNero1987 holy shit you're right

[@k.kuzziah6384]

Kratos is the champion. In the vision, the Champion is depicted holding a spear in one hand and gjallarhorn in the other. It was Kratos who blew gjallarhorn and had the draupnir spear with him as he marched on towards Asgard with a combined army of all realms. When Atreus assumed the champion was him, Kratos tells him "you assume too much" and Mimir says something like "Aye, best not to read into these abstractions so literally. Prophecies are slippery by nature." It's like the GoW team hinting at us saying it is not who Atreus thinks it is.

[@kowshikkumar48]

But if you watch closely the figure holding spear and horn...and the champion are different. So i m guessing the champion is the one who kills odin (loki) and the spear weilder leading the war is kratos.

[@27westwest]

Right but if you read the subtitles and listen to what they're saying at 2:10 the person with the Horn and Spear show up and Atreus goes "Look Tyr its you leading the way into Ragnorak"

[@medic2018]

The secret/real prophecy shows Tyr leading the attack on asgard. But that didn't happen. Can someone please explain

[@27westwest]

@@medic2018 because it shows their depiction of the God of War and his name is tyr so they went ok that’s tyr because he had his spear which is his known weapon and the horn that’s what the lore tends to state tyr blows to start ragnorak. But the God of War who actually had those things were kratos by the end

[@medic2018]

@@27westwest thank you

[@adabuilder6711]

I love that twist has made the whole game be so replayable.

[@momatotsosrorudodi]

Saved the game. I was so fucking disappointed Tyr ended up being dead weight, but then it turned out they made Odin an amazing villain.

[@starkillernate4652]

@@momatotsosrorudodi game wasn't saved, that was the intention the whole time

[@mateohodge6998]

Both games are full of context clues when you replay

[@pressstart8738]

@@momatotsosrorudodi tyr dead?

[@justbastihere4246]

@@pressstart8738 nah, real tyr is alive

[@PasswordSuck777]

One thing i just noticed is that when Tyr says "This is wrong" it subtly plays Odin's theme song in the background, so many hints in retrospect! This game is truly brilliant from start to finish 🤯

[@studentsays393]

3:45

[@kg-vq9gg]

which theme the one where he first appears or during the final battle

[@DEMONspices]

Tyr not having the accent mark in his subtitles being an allusion to him being fake is actually a really cool small touch. Whenever the others talk about him, it is written as Týr, but when he speaks he is written as Tyr. very cool

[@holdupsomethingaintright7919]

3:35 Tyr: *I won't allow prophecy to define my choices* For the first time I watched this playthrough I thought "Damn, You don't really wanna fight huh? Tyr?" Now that I watched the plot twist, I understand now that It wasn't that Tyr doesn't wanna fight, but because It was never Tyr in the first place, It was Odin saying THAT to himself. This is an absolutely masterful story created by the devs, and that one scene have me questioning everything, brilliant game developers and story

[@jynxed66six54]

i also think at this point odin has snapped out of the shock and gone full damage control. he says anything he can to try and dissuade them from choosing ragnarok, now he knows he loses it. every line he says from here on out is against the plan, trying to save himself

[@saboorheath7769]

Everything was so subtle.... Odin being a making mention of the food in the great lodge. Santa Monica sneaking in a pic that looked earlier like Tyr. The conversations with Frigg were interesting also.

[@skullknight4579]

When tyr steps forward, I could swear Odin arm tattoos started to appear faintly, the man was so shocked his magic almost broke

[@mr_mongoose72]

I like the idea but I rly can’t see it

[@THEYCANTSTOPME]

Great eyes and I saw it the first time but I also didn't peep Odin tats in the house at the beginning

[@thatboyakira4202]

This detail... THIS DETAIL OH MY GOD SHEEEEEESH

[@sithhunter965]

nah its not there. watched on 4k at super slow mo and nothing changes. just ur brain putting that together

[@alshadead]

@@sithhunter965 the tatto slowly more obvious, especially during the reveal scene

[@brenwan2190]

Odin is able to "tell the truth" while still lying about the context as I believe Freya pointed out. You can see that his shock and disbelief is genuine but rather than him being so in disbelief that he's leading the charge against Asgard, he doesn't want to believe that he's been deceived this whole time and that he's fated to die, which makes this reaction make a lot more sense.

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

If he tells you that snow is white, he is lying.

[@JohnBlobJohnSlime]

The miniscule detail that "Tyr" accidentally bumps into Atreus when he sees the prophecy, almost like he has a huge Blindspot, is just... Amazing

[@Niojoki]

Atreus: "WE know something Odin doesn't!" "Tyr": 👀

[@jessembaya8575]

You mean: 🌖🌖

[@marksantiago9841]

Týr: …… 1 + 1 = 2!

[@Raisen_ch]

What i praise in this game is the body language... everything has a body language who also tells the story perfectly (movements, silent, groans, voice tones ...). If you watch Tyr all the time, he doesn't sounds like someone who travel a lot of lands and meet a lot of other gods too. You can think either he lied about his adventures ....... or he isn't Tyr. Everyone who play the game can guess what is the correct answer.

[@Gummylongtail]

In other words they are amazing actors... Christopher judge in paticular articulates so much emotion through just grunting I love it

[@dreigreen6941]

After freeing Tyr I had called him useless. Everything we learned about him and we only got his good manners. My gf had called me rude because of these claims just so the guy was trying to be an inconvenience and nice. But that was exactly what Odin wanted and our instincts like Brok never came out of being polite I feel.

[@l3g1t.official]

I didnt see anything coming

[@zenith8417]

@@Gummylongtail Judge also said he stands wider and plants his feet firmly when he moves, giving a visual representation of Kratos heaviness and direct, uninhibited approach. It really works well

[@StarLord1994]

@@dreigreen6941 ikr. Like I thought we were building up to seeing warrior tyr in action! lol. I loved the twist but kinda sad we never really experienced him.

[@THEYCANTSTOPME]

Tyr: I won't allow prophecy to decide my choices. Tyr: this is wrong. Damn looking back Odin was mad his ass was gonna die period

[@danielcharles3553]

And mad that for once he got played by someone

[@tenjenk]

As the norn sisters said, its not looking past your own choices that locks your fate in. How can you change your fate if you refuse to change yourself? By ceaselessly chasing after prophecies about himself, he ended up causing each and every one to be fulfilled.

[@THEYCANTSTOPME]

@@tenjenk facts he could've just been nice and let Freya live her life free to explore. If they want to kill you for what you did, offer your life. I bet Odin would've had Valhalla or some good death but now he died 3 times first he died in body when Atreus took his soul. Then he died twice because he trapped in a marble like hell. Then he died 3 times when Sindri destroyed his essence.

[@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx]

​@@THEYCANTSTOPME At this point, Odin is erased from existence. A fate worse than death. His dead body may be intact but his soul essence is no longer identifiable.

[@oklik6864]

@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx there is a chance that his raven have a soul or part of him (i mean Huggin).

[@opticalorange2316]

I thought it was so weird how Tyr acted but I just wrote it off as strange writing. Now I realize it was just masterful writing

[@Sultaanash]

When I first saw this scene I was like "why tf is the shy tyr just casually pushing atreus aside, there's no way he's still pissing his pants from that kill" it was weird seeing him do that and lo and behold in the end it wasn't HIM

[@josephstalin2606]

Tyr in general was said to have traveled to many lands and met many people and gods so the fact that he was so shy and broken should’ve been the first hint. I mean Mimir had it worse and even he wasn’t as “broken” as Tyr. The whole time it was Odin just making Tyr seem weak and useless while also making Odin seem like this intimidating person that shouldn’t be messed with when in reality Odin was the super insecure one and the real Tyr is unbroken and wanders the realms happily

[@hard_drive.system]

He pushed past him cuz he can't see out of his right eye!

[@tophighlitez6176]

@@hard_drive.system bruh u blew my mind omg 😱😱😱

[@holliswilliams8426]

@@hard_drive.system true!

[@criticalfailureproductions]

"I won't allow prophecy to define my choices" I love how that quote gains a whole new meaning once you find out about the twist of Tyr. Without the context of that twist, it just seemed like "Tyr" speaking his intent to remain true to his newfound "pacifism", but after finding out about the twist, it takes a new meaning that Odin intends to remain true to his character and stay on the path of his objective. It's very subtle but also clever at the same time.

[@cheesy_potato9243]

Now his reaction makes a lot more sense, I always wondered why he was so shocked by it

[@ayaya-]

tbh I'm sure even the real Tyr would have been shocked, probably wouldn't have reacted the same angry way but shocked nonetheless, I think if the real tyr had known he would have left his pacifist way, become his old self if only for this one time.

[@cheesy_potato9243]

@@ayaya- yeah I think he would’ve been shocked but not in the way he reacted

[@almighty_demon_slayer9563]

Fun little detail the devs did to differentiate Odin and the real Tyr. If you look closely at the subtitle here, the “Tyr” here doesn’t have an accent symbol on his name (which he should) but if you save the REAL Tyr, the subtle shows the accent symbol above the Y on his name showing he’s the real deal. The dev’s gave us a huge clue right there and none of us realized it because some of us probably didn’t know Tyr had that accent in his name to begin with, GENIUS! Well done Santa Monica

[@MetalGearMalta]

Also. Notice when Atreus is speaking with Kratos about tyr leading the charge against Odin. Odin's theme is played when Tyr says will try to stop Ragnarok. A very subtle detail most of us ignored.

[@CJ-442]

Another detail that easy to miss. While “Tyr” is talking there’s never an accent, but whenever anyone else talks about him or says his name, there is.

[@ecci0261]

I love how you can interpret how Tyr acts and what he says completely differently once you beat the game.

[@r-me-fresh743]

2:47 Can’t believe how amazing this plot twist is and the hints it leaves behind. If you look closely “Tyr” bumps into atreus, this is because Odin lost his right eye so he couldn’t see Atreus…

[@thecommentguy9380]

Interesting bit here: Each character has their name highlighted in the prophecy, all but the champion and the one who would lead the 8 realms to fight Asgard. They only know the champion (which everyone already know it's Atreus) and god of war, not specifically Tyr, which means everyone misinterpreted that single detail because in the end it was Kratos that led the charge.

[@sxcknasty69]

kratos the god of war

[@Thedrewster9194]

Kratos is the champion. He wields the spear and blows the horn

[@nz7677]

​@@Thedrewster9194 1:32 ᛊᚨ ᚲᚨᛈᛈᛁ (sa kappi) = The Champion = Loki 2:03 ᛊᛏᚱᛁᚦᛊ ᚷᚢᛞ (striþsgud) = God of War = Kratos

[@Thedrewster9194]

@@nz7677 huh that’s weird. I thought it was revealed in the end that Kratos was who they were referring to as champion

[@markolucan9414]

What is more interesting is that you can now put Kratos in every mural where Tyr was. So by that we can assume that Kratos actually will travel throughout realms. 😁

[@madeline1714]

3:25 Odin’s theme playing when Atreus says they know something he doesn’t

[@E-Man5805]

Atreus not telling that he’d been to Ironwood was a smart move in ways he’d never realize until after the adventure ends. Probably saved Angrboda’s adorable life.

[@leonolasco7112]

and pretty much everyones elses life lol

[@tadohara]

this scene was before atreus went to ironwood

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

We never met Angrboda. Angrboda is a tall, broad figure with pale skin and blood red hair. We met a blackwashed pretender.

[@leonolasco7112]

@@TheStraightestWhitest jesus ur so corny

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@leonolasco7112 But I'm right.

[@bencherbryant-48]

Now having beat the game and knowing odin was tyr, his dialogue hits different. I like to think deep down if kratos agreed to peace and Atreus agreed to help w the mask he really would have left them alone….but then I remember he killed brok and that more then likely would have sent thor to crack their skulls the pico second Atreus told him what he saw in that realm tear

[@sameeribrahim658]

That's how manipulative he is. Even as a viewer it's difficult to find a reason to say no to his peace offered. Even blames thor for his death by HIS hands. Very impressive and fucked up i love it...

[@jynxed66six54]

but theres a lot of layers at play to the story here. in the first place, i dont believe odin would get the answers he wants from the rift. in fact, i dont think its actually possible for anyone to end up looking through it. the mask is written in greek, and odin found it because of a voice he heard. its pretty likely athena was behind both the mask and the rift, in an attempt to become the deity she couldnt in gow 3 when kratos ruined her plans. its a very poetic side to odins story. he spent his life chasing knowledge, obsessing over prophecies to control his own fate, but was just a pawn to so many people. his knowledge of the prophecy was wrong, and the main focus of his goals was created by another god as a tool

[@fissilewhistle]

Or he doesn’t like what he hears, decides it’s Atreus’ fault for telling him, and then runs him through with his spear.

[@CrackSparrowGaming]

I haven’t even finished the game yet but I can guarantee the prophecy speaks of Kratos. The Draupnir Spear creates multiple of itself and those were def spears surrounding the champion not arrows.

[@nameunknown12]

Bo you need to stay out of this comment section then if you havent beat it, major spoilers

[@CrackSparrowGaming]

@@nameunknown12 I wrote this comment and haven’t been back since 😂. I beat it though and what a game!

[@nameunknown12]

@@CrackSparrowGaming okay yeah, man you could have easily gotten the biggest twist in the game super spoiled for you lol, the description literally says "Tyr"

[@CrackSparrowGaming]

@@nameunknown12 at this point I knew that much thank god, I just noticed this after the fact.

[@geraltlobrok4055]

Indeed is him. Loki fights heimdall in the original ragnarok but in the game loki is still a kid during ragnarok he cant beat heimdall or any other gods. The god of war office was empty. When Kratos who destroyed an entire pantheon and killed 3 norse gods finds about Atreus/Loki being destined to die fighting heimdall took the GOW office killed heimdall then fight and beat thor and then Odin w Loki and Freya. He fits better on being the champion and the god of war too. The last prophecy shows Kratos as an all father but for loki there was none. I assume that last shrine complete that champion of the jotnar prophecy. The other side shows Kratos leaving a destroyed greece and Faye dealing whith fate stuff. Loki's destiny is yet to be seen.

[@tysimpso1448]

I noticed something. During the scene when Odin talks to Kratos with Durlin in toe. He walks over to two spears. Ty'r did here as well. Definitely foreshadowing.

[@chrisinstasis7986]

The lines and acting were perfect when I thought Tyr really was a broken God, obsessed with pacifism, dreading and horrified at the idea of lives lost under his leadership. And then on the second watching it's still perfectly weighted when you realise the true thoughts behind each of his responses. It feels like an entirely new scene, even though it is exactly the same. Another comment described it as masterful and it truly is.

[@holliswilliams8426]

Watching back with context it's so obvious this is Odin. Also someone noticed at 2:51 he seems to knock into Atreus and not see him because he can't see out of his right eye.

[@Shhmuckonwheels]

Game was a masterpiece, if I only could replay it without any memory of it.

[@afkmh2392]

Good old fashioned head trauma will work

[@THEYCANTSTOPME]

Man I think the real olaythrough is to not run right through the story. Doing the side stuff at the right moments like freeing the Jelly fish or going for Lundas orb while before you leave these areas to continue the story makes it more dramatic. Easily 30 plus hours.

[@baibhavbanerjee1964]

I wish we could kill another dragon

[@jahmair862]

@@baibhavbanerjee1964 There is another one if you use the ancient heirloom on the beach of dragons. Idk if you meant another normal old dragon but hey.

[@eg-draw]

But it's different then you see all of it knowing it's Odin.

[@darkbornelines4587]

Tyr being all shocked, and even bumping into atreus while walking forward has a whole another meaning now - gonna be fun to replay in new game +

[@786uchihamadara]

I figured it out there and then that it was odin

[@thejoabear]

“Difficult to imagine Odin respecting those wishes.” Great guess Tyr, almost like you were there!

[@gp-1542]

I’m sure the entire time Odin was like “Well shit”

[@clockwerk152]

Its actually a bit scary that odin is here all along. All the time

[@UN1VERS3S]

Those who hasn't played the game. Avoid the comment section for spoilers.

[@jackbaker7596]

but they would have to check the comments to see this comment?

[@NiightDJ]

@@jackbaker7596 not if they have comments sorted newest to oldest

they should not be watching this

[@josephstalin2606]

Bruh ur comment is like halfway thru the comment section by the time anyone reads this they’d have scrolled through like a hundred comments already

[@Chaos-bq6mc]

If I ever feel useless I can just look back at this comment and feel better about myself.

[@内田ガネーシュ]

Even the subtitles give Odin away. That is some top tyr detail.

[@thanglongnguyenvu3815]

Funny that if Odin had kept his calm and patience to disguise himself, it wouldn't have led Kratos down the path that was prophesied.

[@LouisHolliman]

So In essence brok literally saved all the realms and potentially all their lives 😭

[@dionius4549]

Because of that passable dirt soup insult 😂

[@giftedwf1]

So the champion was Atreus & the guy leading the war with the spear and horn was Kratos actually not Tyr.

[@ThatMadCat]

No, Kratos was the champion.

[@mycommentsmyopinion]

champion is kratos!, kratos blew the gallarhorn and he had the mythical spear embedded with the power to multiply of draupnir just like in the prophecy

[@giftedwf1]

Bet!!

[@UN1VERS3S]

⚠️Spoilers! The prophecy says the God of War will lead the united armies of the nine realms to Ragnarok and defeat Odin. The mural drawings had him wielding a spear. Tyr wields a spear, a god of War and from the beginning wants to unite the realms not for war but for peace. But Odin's obsess, so he killed Tyr. The Tyr we're been with from the start is Odin himself. Kratos is the god of war and the spear wielding leader that the giants prophesied and Atreus was the champion of the Jotun.

[@ThatMadCat]

@@UN1VERS3S Nah, Kratos was the champion.

[@Yuki-ie3qg]

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[@NiyiDaNinja]

2:45 The camera work here, not showing "Tyr"'s reaction to the line by having his face be off screen, the way he says "she lied" a few seconds later sounds like sadness rather than revelation, even how he stays glued to looking at the prophecy while Kratos and Atreus talk probably should've been give aways lol

[@thomasprice7893]

It's amazing how that warrior entity leading the army looks somewhat like depictions of Tyr, but when you look at it with clear eyes it's clearly a Spartan warrior - and although Kratos doesn't look like the typical one at all, it's what he is at heart. Intriguing insight into how the Giant's sight worked.

[@louistrefeu3443]

It's so clever they display the "god of war" and everyone assumes it's Tyr just for kratos to do lead the charge against asgard and odin

[@UN1VERS3S]

Because Tyr was the god of war in those lands plus he's spear wielding and wants to unite the realms not for war but for peace. But Odin's Odin that's why he shut Tyr off.

[@jasonbloxor1773]

Odin becoming tyr fucked everything up for himself. It was actually originally supposed to be tyr

[@gennymanun4881]

1:39 the spears surrounding the “champion” could be alluding to Draupnir and its ability to basically infinitely multiply.

[@mahirmuhammad2325]

It is

[@TheFDream]

GAME OF THE YEAR

[@akepax72]

I remember having a gut feeling playing for the first time that showing Tyr was a bad idea. Now I know why

[@jacobthemaster66]

Like how his named is spelled wrong but the real tyr and every time his name is said is spelled correctly

[@i3looi2]

Going back we can also realize the "champion" was Kratos, not Loki or Tyr. Since he was holding the Spear and the Gallajhorn.

[@27westwest]

Except when they show the guy holding the spear and gallajhorn they literally went "Look Tyr its you (The God of War) leading the way into Asgard during Ragnorak" and Atreus literally gets armor called "Champion of the Giants"

[@jaradrichardsC137]

@@27westwest when they say look it's the champion, the champion figure raises multiple spears, like how draupnir works

[@27westwest]

@@jaradrichardsC137 ok. He’s not the one depicted of holding any weapons though so it can easily be kratos spears raised in the background. I mean it literally shows a figure holding the spear and horn and they went “Oh wow that’s tyr the god of war leading the charge into ragnorak” and then at the end of the game the god of war leading the charge into ragnorak who has the spear and horn is kratos showing that’s his role in the prophecy.

[@jaradrichardsC137]

@@27westwest That's exactly what I said. I don't know if you knew, but it's Kratos who owns Draupnir. Crazy, I know.

[@lilchaos9212]

Uh, no? The Champion and God of War are clearly different people. The God of War wields Draupnir and the Gjallarhorn whereas the Champion doesn't. The reason there are spears and arrows flying around the Champion is because he is in the middle of a battle before Ragnarok. He isn't wielding Draupnir. Atreus was the Champion and Kratos was the God of War, not Tyr.

[@thebukojoeplays]

Tyr with a spear is just an image of a God of War with a spear... Kratos with the Draupnir spear.

[@nickcancelliere2430]

Really clever cinematography framing fake Tyr against the spears in the Giant’s vision and then the shot is repeated later in svartalfheim when Odin confronts Kratos, with the spears at Orin’s back. Great use of visual language and foreshadow!

[@agabe_8989]

I love that in the prophecy, "Tyr" is shown to be the one who leads in Ragnarök. In the actual Ragnarök, it is Kratos that leads the armies. Which means that in the prophecy, the Tyr character is not literally meant to be Tyr himself, it is a representation of the God of War. This even misleads Kratos into thinking that he is not present in any of this Ragnarök prophecy even though he is, just not in the shown form. Well played Santa Monica Studios, damn well played.

[@weewoo0]

I didn't even realised this. Look at the name at 2:53 and 3:13 of Arterus meantioning Týr. The details and small differences makes sense!

[@izuniaberg1227]

2:58 Odin must really hold back not to kill Mimir, he literally laughing behind his back.

[@CoquiMuncher]

I love when "Tyr" goes "No. I don't... I cant" to Atreus seeing Tyr fighting in Ragnarök, because "Tyr" can't fathom the fact that Tyr is going to be at Ragnarök and that he's somehow going to escape his prison where he's being kept.

[@CarlNiemi]

Wow, just noticed Odin's motif plays around 3:25 when Atreus says that they now know something Odin doesn't and the camera pans to put "Tyr" in the centre of the screen. Goddamn this game is full of subtleties

[@kieran7068]

I always thought Tyr was too casual about Kratos being in these lands, he just accepted it straight away and never asked many questions about his homeland

[@gulliblepiggy4346]

"But for the first time. WE know something Odin doesn't." The irony. Omg lmao

[@mrrobluxo2369]

The people who say “Odin does nothing with this information” completely miss the point lol. He prepared for centuries for the wrong prophecy there wasn’t much he could do at that point. He was screwed that’s why he tried to manipulate Atreus

[@ninjachannel007]

That soft sax, lulling you into another day of watching clips of a game you'll never play. The Champion was Kratos, clearly. Odin realizing how dumb he is as Tyr was priceless.

[@edbertextreme]

3:10 "We are not present in any of it" yeah He was there

[@TMJ32]

I just thought Tyr was actually going to turn out to be an enemy. I never even thought it could be Odin in disguise.

[@ZoeBateman]

Huge spoilers for the game in this comment so stop reading if you haven't completed it, but take note of the subtitles too. "Tyr" here does not have an accent over the "y", but when you can rescue the real Týr in Niflheim after you finish the game, it actually does have the accent over the "y" in the subtitles when he speaks. It's definitely intentional too I believe, they seem to take spelling things correctly in dialog and the journal very seriously, e.g. they use "ð" and "Ð" where accurate instead of just a "d" which is often an easy stand-in. A tiny, seemingly incredibly insignificant detail, but hinting it's not really him from the very moment you meet "Tyr".

[@mybizness124]

They said in a video they intentionally did that with the spelling of if his name

[@r4dbit416]

I like to imagine the anxiety packed Odin when he said "She lied". Fuck him. Brok deserved better.

[@schneeraizor7020]

when u finally know "tyr" is fake, u finally realize what and who these premonitions refers to. amazingly well written story

[@Ror0009]

Who leads if they thought it was tyr

[@bowman303]

Damn bro, in the end his reaction wasn’t because he found a way to kill Odin, but because it wasn’t even him in the first place. Awesome story

[@bencheveryday]

I think it's still too early to put "Tyr" with quotations to arouse suspicion.

[@Fullbatteri]

Love the detail of the multiple spears with the Champion. It was Kratos all along but he still didn’t know he would get it.

[@Junglewarfare]

A good story has villains and heroes. A great story makes you reconsider it all. Even after the ending….

[@maudelhoyo4019]

No

[@FrancisCastiglione]

@@maudelhoyo4019 Ok Heimdall

[@dragonking1097]

Looking back at this, as well as the character of Odin. In a humorous way, the realms uniting against Asgard starts to feel less like an opposing army and more like an angry mob. If the giants weren’t disembodied, I almost imagine them in Asgard with pitchforks and torches instead of swords and spears.

[@CommonG]

I love how i thought this game was a masterpiece the first time i played it. Now going back into a replay of it after completing it once, you truly realise the absolute sheer masterpiece is actually is. The writers wrote it so perfectly its absolutely amazing game of the decade for sure

[@demontime777]

"wait until you see this" that's when he realized he fucked up

[@thebrotherhood5199]

At 1:23 a swirling animation occurs, almost like a portal meaning someone from somewhere else has come to this land in the picture. Similar to how kratos came to the land of the Norse from Greece and this is also supported by the Spartan looking helmet. The same person with a Spartan looking helmet is depicted in 2:34 and is shown defeating another person, right before kratos says "Odin dies?"

[@jimireynoldsmusic]

It really does recontextualise the scene when Tyr says 'she lied' and you realise he's speaking from first hand experience

[@hectorvergara3394]

I love how the developers pulled it off again that when you watch it for a second time the entire concept is different when you know the truth, just like on the previous game! 🙌🏽🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@zackbop9045]

"Tyr" in quotes hits crazy

[@legolas4569]

I still remember when I realized the diguise, multiples times the theme of Odin sounds when Tyr is in the scene

[@Umbrex349]

When he said "I won't allow prophecy to define my choices" it was Odin saying that as himself.

[@lunapixels]

I think it’s clear that when Kratos said you assume too much about the identity of the champion, He realized that interpretations of prophecy can become erratic and unclear which is why his message to Atreus throughout this game is “Fate only binds you if you let it, Do what is necessary, not because it is written”, he understands more than any of the characters in this game that prophecy is a tool for control and a scapegoat for not taking control of ones life/fate. Post game I don’t think Kratos is the champion I think he will occupy many monikers and titles within various mythologies depending on the story being told.

[@lNiizz]

anyone noticed that Tyr's name when he speaks doesn't have the accent above the Y but when Boy refers to him it does have the accent above the Y

[@gary587]

4:39 You can see 'Tyr' under emphasizing Odin's evil doings by calling them just 'misdeeds' rather than crimes.

[@gamerash1710]

3:19 loves the way he annoys him, and kratos grunting 🤣😂

[@kevinoneil5120]

Nice little touch at 2:03, the Draupnir Spear animation.

[@Subutai285]

Man I love that this whole comment section isn't spoiling anything even after gow Ragnarok cooled down so that new players can see things

[@lizardguyNA]

"For the first time, we know something Odin doesn't." Boy howdy was Atreus quick to jump that gun.... not that we would've known at the time.

[@edgarsilva4744]

3:43 Did I just hear Odin's theme? God, the subtle hints are so easy to miss, despite the ammount of times i have replayed this game

[@CrowMercury]

You know, there is something to say about this. Groa told Odin that everything would die. It didn’t give an easier pill to swallow, she made it the worse scenario possible. She wasn’t trying to give a last fuck you to Odin, she tried to give everyone a common goal to avoid war, a reason for NO ONE to fight. But Odin had to be a self-serving piece of shit, fuck everyone to save Asgard, and that put him in the spot to die at Ragnarok. The Norns couldn’t make it more clearer, predictable people will never escape prophecies.

[@barozukos7791]

The champion wielded not one spear, but several, it was Kratos the whole time and the game teased before we even got the spear

[@lilchaos9212]

The Champion wasn't wielding the spear, the God of War was. Both characters have very different designs. The spears around the champion, like the arrows also flying, symbolised the battle before Ragnarok. The God of War was a separate character that actually physically wields Draupnir and the Gjallarhorn.

[@nori87]

Every Tyr scene hits different after that twist.

[@sengiko]

3:44 you can hear "his" theme here, hinting you know what

[@Abhishek-hs8zi]

The way tyr looking is foreshadowing he is the odin

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

You couldnt just keep it to yourself dont you?

[@sumayahlea3276]

Wtf!!!!!

[@sumayahlea3276]

I just made it through this part and wanted to rewatch the scene and the 1st f****** comment really

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

@@sumayahlea3276 I feel your pain

[@thegamewin100]

@@juliane.mfarias9285 I just got to the end with nothing spoiled I’m so glad I stayed off this stupid site 😂

[@Blair_xWx]

It's a good thing Atreus didn't say anything about Ironwood around Tyr

[@jordanrivera8174]

tyr bumping into atreus watching his future really shows it all after beating the game, this game is masterful

[@jorgeulloa8000]

I love how Tyr Kratos and Mimir have their conversations Tyr has fantastic dialogue

[@AMAZING-bi6ib]

the one who preaches peace is the evil one, malevolence cloaked under benevolence. Its so relatable to our present times

[@johncampbell631]

I love how Odin basically does a surprised Pikachu face because the person he interrogated to destroy or subjugate everyone she ever cared for lied to him.