Viking Raids on Finland | Runestones

#vikings #finland #history
if you would like to help me with making more videos you can always buy me a coffee:
www.buymeacoffee.com/irishinf...
Also if you have any good recommendations books/audiobooks/articles/links please let me know in the comments!
#fyp #reaction #recommended
Email:
[e-mail]
Instagram:
Irishinfinland
Facebook: / aaron.gorman.123829
Tik-Tok:
vm.tiktok.com/ZMNuUJgX4/
=--=
F.A.Q.
How old are you?
30
Where are you from?
Dublin, Ireland
Where do you live?
Oulu, Finland

[@IrishinFinland]

BECOME A MEMBER OF MY CHANNEL: kzbin.info/door/FsUSUN1wbrFcw5KRWNtw1Ajoin

[@herrakaarme]

Those runestones were like the headlines of the evening newspapers. Kind of like you can read IS or IL headlines when standing in a supermarket queue to the cashier. "Erik sailed to Finland with his brother. Only the brother came back." Ooh, what's the whole story? If you want to know more, you need to buy a bard a round of mead and meat.

[@thehighwayman78]

😂👍

[@zanfa9816]

I have been studying a lot on this subject and im pretty sure that during the viking age the area of Finland was pretty prosperous since you can see it in the graves. People had lots of metals in general and the jewellery and swords are not the usual poorer type found in other nordic countries. Check out Suontaan miekka, also the amount of swords is astounding huge amount of them still underground. Also the hillforts are quite interesting as they make fort "chains" through out the inland waterways. Rapolan muinaislinna being the largest that has been discovered. Its a huge fort for its time. No wonder the Swedes had to make so many crusades in Finland. Winners write the history and a lot has been lost. But i sincerely think that the cultures (Hämäläiset, Pohjalaiset, Karjalaiset)of Finland in lets say 500 - 1200ad is pretty much the same as other nordic countries. Also its not a popular subject to study since it is thought to be too nationalistic which in my opinion is ridiculous.

[@pystykorva7114]

I would love to hear in detail what actually happened here from the year 1000 to around 1350. The current "history" says that 1249 there was nothing and then 1250 Swedes conquered the entire Finland from south to Lapland in one day. After that it has been all rainbows and sunshine ;)

[@reiper8419]

Look into Bock Saga

[@jirga_jirga]

I read on Wikipedia that the Swedish crusades and subjugation of these lands took 100 years or so. Sweden pleaded help from pope at one point because of the constant raids from different finnic tribes. But it's Wikipedia. Haven't got time or energy to check out sources linked at the end of the article.

[@katNoddpottir]

Well, what is known is that between 1000 and 1100 vikings sold luxury slaves to middle east and those luxury slaves were from Finland and Sweden.

[@MrGunnar69]

If you understand Swedish, you might find this interesting. He is not a historian but a linguist. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4Sxk4SlbJ12qdE De första finlandssvenskarna - när, hur och varifrån?

[@ralepej]

I would like to hear details lets say at least from 600.

[@hannuback]

I'm from Raisio and we have a river valley that has been inhabited at least from the iron age, much like Turku and less than 10 kilometres away. While they were constructing the motor way in the 1960's, they found ancient burial sites on the cliffs overlooking the river valley and the water way to the sea. They probably traded through the sea and there were likely some relatively prosperous people too as the findings did include items not common for poor people. Not much is know about the settlements, but there are some of those places that have likely been hill forts, natural formations easy to fortify by simple means and easy to defend against even small bands of seasoned mercenaries. The coast line has many good places for warning fires atop the stony hills and "mountains". It is suggested that the people were so accustomed to raids from the east and the west that there were signaling chains of fires that could warn the people of approaching raiders. People had time to prepare and they could take their cattle and valuables with them to the hill forts leaving nothing worth the trouble for the raiders. Seems like they also got some weapons, iron head arrows and spears, sometimes even swords and chain mails. So potential raiders did find some real threats with not much to plunder, so they traded instead and raided elsewhere. Funny thing, finnish people still have this saying "painua hiiteen" which in modern day usually means "go to hell", but 'hiisi' means also a sacred place like a sanctuary. Often those "hiisi" were stony formations, so it might be that their real function was to be hiding places and forts and it's easy to believe it was at times like that when they made sacrifices or simply had to slaughter their cattle while hiding. To this day finnish people are shipbuilders, we build some of the biggest luxury cruisers in the world. The tradition goes back to at least the middle ages and it might be that some of the viking longboats were built here. That would explain some of the wealth and why it was more important to trade than raid: maybe the vikings sailed here to buy their ships. Of course it's possible that some more adventurous types would have adopted the viking lifestyle themselves and would have stopped their comrades of even dreaming about raiding their home villages. It might be that cooperation was more beneficial for the vikings here than exploitation.

[@5ratsastaja]

The beginning of Orkneyinga Saga is interesting. "There was a king called Fornjotr who ruled over Finns and Kvens..." These both are Finnic tribes. Interestingly there is quite a lot info about the Finfolk and the folk tales and their possible impact on the culture in Orkney. During the Viking era the northern part of whole Scandinavia was inhabited by two different people, Saami and Kvens. Saami were and still some are reindeer herders and Kvens or Kvener are actually ethnic Finns. Saami as far I know are more nomadic land people they are not known for their seafaring travels. The Kvens/Finns have always been sea people. To make long story short Finns took part in many Viking raids to east and west. A lot of acheological evidence backs that and now we even have DNA proof. Another interesting old book worth checking is "Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race" by Thomas Shore : a study of the settlement of England and the tribal origin of the Old English people ; Publication date: 1906. This book has interesting info about old English place names and customs that have connection to Baltic Finns. You can download the book now a days for free.

[@IrishinFinland]

Nice one! I'll definitely take a look at that 🤟🏻🤟🏻

[@michaelmichelsson]

Finland's Viking period can be viewed from many different sources, there are runic writings, sagas and archaeological finds of Viking swords, etc... but no one has bundled the material together to get a bigger picture of what happened

[@geem8011]

@@trumpjongun8831 The victim mentality seems fairly strong in this one.

[@MrBanaanipommi]

i found out a youtube channel called Myytinkertojat, they are telling that the most of viking swords have been found from finland, like 3/2 of whole europe's found swords if i remember right. they probably sold the swords to finns and so on, but there is also marks and stories about vikings taking a trip to inner finland, also even legendary viking king Ragnar Lodbrok had huge battle in the inner finland against finns, but they lost the battle lol

[@rohkofantti8673]

I have read somewhere that the oldest written mention of Finns was by Tacitus in his Germania some 150 AD?

[@katNoddpottir]

Yes, you're right while studying Roman history I remember mention of that.

[@blacksmith88]

Those stones, many have been destroyed, transported to Sweden and "lost" mysteriously during their reign.as well as some artifacts, either been taken or sold to them. It has also been a some kind of secret that some of the runic writings has been solved with the help of some Finnish words or pronunciation. Not germanic or old norse but finnic.

[@katNoddpottir]

When Swedish and Christians took over Finland lot of proof of our history was purposely destroyed, to make sure that people would assimilate to the Christiany and Swedish culture.

[@kalnieminen65]

I have an article where the Vikings went up the Kokemäki River to Nokia and raided Nokia. Finns chased and killed many Vikings as they tried to get out of the interior to the Gulf of Finland. The leader died from an arrow wound. Apparent date was 1303. Not sure how reliable the article is, but detailed accounts of the lakes and rivers are included

[@IrishinFinland]

Oh nice! Could you email it to me? [e-mail]

[@kalnieminen65]

@@IrishinFinland I'm going to have to dig around for it. I tend to have a lot of paper junk around

[@kalnieminen65]

sent you an email

[@SSGTStryker]

This is fascinating. My own Finnish (& Swedish) ancestry traces back to the 1400s in South-Western Finland. But I’ve wondered if there’s any evidence of Viking cultural influence in those areas. I hadn’t even considered the possibility of ruins being an example of evidentiary proof.

[@thatwhitewolf5222]

Have you.been to Rosala?

[@aapopelkonen6683]

🙏

[@sunelven]

Finnic tribes are the natives of the North in all areas that is called Norway, Sweden, Finland and parts of Russia and ofc Estonia today.

[@sunelven]

In Northern Norway, There is Finnmark, In Northern Sweden most place names, lakes etc. has still Finnish names.

[@sunelven]

Petroglyphs are found in caves in Norway which was most likely made by the Finnic tribal ppl.

[@NotOrdinaryInGames]

That last runestone has an interesting carving............... curious shape....... hmmmmmm.......

[@polhokustaa4989]

My guess is that Tavastia and Häme are both correct. Häme would be the region and Tavastia or Tawast the family name that ruled it. Even nowadays there are still som people with last name Tawast etc. That would also explain the foreign naming Tafastland etc. referring to the land ruled by Tawast's family. Was there also the bishop called Maunu Tawast. Swedish naming for Hämeenlinna is Tavastehus, Tawast's house, which would also point to the family ruling the area.

[@hepolaroth]

Another great video. “Lost Runestone” write it! Or make the game or NFT!

[@Bjornerokk]

It is left open in purpose, if we were to find out what happen in Finland it would mess up with Swedish narrative. ''Winners writes the history'' you can see signs of this saying all over in Finnish history. We know nothing and small pieces we discover does not match with the narrative. EDIT: Fixed a typo

[@kitharoidos1089]

What Swedish narrative? Is there a cabal of Swedes ruling Finland from the shadows? 😂

[@Bjornerokk]

@@kitharoidos1089it is swedish narrative what they teach in schools "Finns were just 'stone age' people before sweden brought civilization here". It is a lie, and this saying "History is Written by the Victors" can be seen very clear in sweden-Finland history. Sweden does not rule Finland anymore but we still have some influence from sweden, EU is current head.

[@soffosbackan]

Kitharoidos…. Exact! But it is ower soon! Really soon!

[@samisilaste1940]

"Geeevle" for Gävle... Where G if pronounced as Y in English.

[@QuinlanPower]

In Finland we call this as Paska meininki haha

[@vincentcarrot]

A ballad in Aulis Sallinen's opera Punainen viiva (The red line) tells a story about vikings, I think. The first verse which is not sung in the opera says something about someone slaying his brother with a sword, IIRC (not sure where I read it from). My mother always wanted me to sing this for her. Balladi Vestmanviikistä oopperasta 'Punainen viiva' / Ballad of Vestmanviiki kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKjCaWuPa62mfrs

[@ralepej]

Opera is based on Ilmari Kiantos book Punainen Viiva and scene is from begin of 1900's and name have double meaning. On the end of the story man got killed by bear and other meaning is that on First Parliament election of Finland 1907 it was marked by red line who people elected to ballot. That ballad could be different story

[@vincentcarrot]

@@ralepej I know the book and I have seen the film. I said just that particular ballad, though, not the whole opera.

[@ralepej]

@@vincentcarrot ah, okay

[@HannuPulkkinen49]

Thank you again. Gävle is pronounced Yiivle or Jeevle ;)

[@IrishinFinland]

Ahhhhhh! Okay! Cheers

[@blackcoffeebeans6100]

Read a book " Viiden meren kansa" written by Risto Isomäki.

[@cfl_finn4831]

The Skyrim music makes me feel like home

[@FlyTyer1948]

Okay, now I’m confused by the lack of detail as well.

[@IrishinFinland]

a headline without the article 😢

[@jean-marcdumas-perrin5324]

👍⭐️⭐️⭐️👏

[@hurri7720]

Like tweets if you had to pay for each "letter" too. There is one nicely boasting that goes " I (so and so) breeded at 90.

[@brandonrepo9435]

Pretty sure that south/west-coast were part of vikings area. But North, middle and Eastside of Finland were not and full of different tribes. The amount of vikings swords have been found from here kind of proveS this.

[@IrishinFinland]

Yep 👍🏻

[@romukauppias]

I've heard vikings didn't like to come in Finland because here wasn't much to raid and people in Finland were very violent and hostile. They also believed that finnish witches could manipulate the weather against them.

[@Vender113]

Its known that scandinavians from Svea traveled through "Finland'' and 'Tavastland' when raided to east and sailed on Volga river for reach constantinopel. and the scandinavian vikings didnt have problem with the people in Finland back then except for the Tavastic tribes.

[@romukauppias]

@@Vender113 Atleast one time they got their ass kicked in town of Kajaani and their sagas are telling about those "witches" who manipulated the weather by making it almost impossible to travel while they were heading back home. But im not arguing with you, there are also some evidence theye were traiding and making business with finns. I think the northern parts of Finland were more hostile area back then but there are so little of knowledge about those times so it's hard to say what it was really like.

[@Vender113]

@@romukauppias Yes its tru, but in generall they didnt find finns as a threat to them more like farmers, and they headed that way often and its no wonder you could find like viking swords or whatever becouse they made business with alot om different peaple. But i been heard they they think even Finns were vikings. but its a lie, Viking was smth they did when raiding and plunder, and its was a scandinavian thing and Finns aint even seen as a Nordic nor Scandinavian people. one runestone is not a proof of anything like that

[@romukauppias]

@@Vender113 Okay, well then i must be wrong because I really thought that finnish people were rather hostile than nice in that time 🤔

[@Vender113]

@@romukauppias Vikings did not see Finns as a threat so they had no conflicts, they were just passing by their land to set sail

[@reiper8419]

Have a look at Bock Saga. Will connect a few dots

[@golgol33]

No. Its been proven that Iors saga was a mix a of many things from many cultures and sacred texts. Too much "saunasolmu" and acid? He really fucked up many People, Look what happened to Petri Walli for example.

[@reiper8419]

@@golgol33 so Ior did tht to Petri. Wake up dude, he was a grown ass man not to mention a rockstar, I'm sure he could make his own decisions like most adults do

[@teemupuumalainen3051]

Don't know if it is historically accurate but my favourite story about Vikings in Finland is that when they came to Finland with their boats, they were met at the shore by bunch of nude men yelling in anger while waving their weapons. So the Vikings thought that this country is not worth to raid.

[@MultiKnick]

Tradition in Finland: fuck around and find out.

[@larrywave]

Hmm

[@IrishinFinland]

Indeed

[@kailyjamessokame.6028]

Are you Finnish?

[@IrishinFinland]

Nah

[@jukopliut]

Little teaser. Would you believe if I said that the missing stone is in Finish freemason posession. Just because itis importance of being one of the first mention of Finland.

[@northstar2621]

Tell us more

[@IrishinFinland]

Go on....

[@jukopliut]

@@IrishinFinland It was (if I recall correctly) some side plot in detective story I read 10-15 years ago. I just can't find it now.

[@LapinPete]

I've been reading on the dance ban, and it really seems to be a cultural phenomenom. The church shunned dancing in general. Touching in general was suspect and for example hugging was not part of the culture.

[@IrishinFinland]

My dancing ban video was reported and removed......I'm getting real fed up with youtube honestly

[@LapinPete]

@@IrishinFinland Wtf. Report button has too much power.

[@lexluthor6497]

ALKO

[@DaysRefrain]

TORILLE

[@jereleino3107]

Check your email..