What really Happened between Bruce Lee and Victor Moore? / Eyewitness Grandmaster Chuck Sullivan

In this video, which was part of a Live video I did with Kenpo Grandmaster Chuck Sullivan, we discuss the Bruce Lee speed test at the 1967 Long Beach Internationals. Chuck was a witness to Bruce Lee and Vic Moore; however, his story differs from Grandmaster Victor Moore's. I ended up calling Vic Moore while live with Chuck Sullivan in an attempt to get to the bottom of things once and for all.
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[@dhanrajsingh1301]

It happened in 1967 and still folks are figuring it out . The man died almost 50 years ago and still people talking about him that shows how amazing he was ❤!

[@MartinRutledge-vp9vp]

Kan

[@billstevens9190]

This guy is not a grand master. I seen what I seen he never even block one think. VictorMoore grand master bull. The guy is Julius of Mr.Lee. that why he stick up for Victor Moore. Victor Moore had tears in his eye. Not Mr Lee.

[@billstevens9190]

They guy with the pubic hair on his . Is nothing he has nothing. That why he saying crap.

[@adamwal4591]

yeah...he was a movie star.

[@indiandaeng]

Shows people using a dead man for publicity

[@danvogel6802]

My father was there in the audience and came home and excitedly told us how great Bruce Lee's exhibition was and described it in detail. He told us about a Grand Master failing to block Lee's punches. He said nothing about Moore doing it to Bruce Lee. I don't believe Moore.

[@oldironsides4107]

It’s impossible to block something like that with hands down and you can’t move your head. I have no idea why people think this is impressive

[@guts7958]

​@oldironsides4107 it was set up for Bruce to look good, I think Vic lied but the fact is it was set up for Vic to look slow

[@danvogel6802]

@@oldironsides4107 Bruce was fast, but he didn't really touch Vic or come close. So I agree.

[@dudermcdude9245]

@@guts7958 Not really

[@guts7958]

@@dudermcdude9245 it was

[@jonathanrayne]

I love the way Chuck starts laughing and shaking his head.

[@tednguyen7258]

he knows its a damn lie

[@Inazuma68]

These where other times. I can‘t imagine that anybody would try to hit back. Honor was worth something, especially for Asian people. Just another big mouth 🤷‍♂️

[@GuiloueLorencyl-i9x]

WHY SOMEONE LIED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE KNEW THE FACT.. THIS DUDE IS LIKE TRUMP..LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR...BLAHHH, BLAHHH, BLAHH

[@derekdemarco28]

According to Jim Kelly, there was no one at that time that was on the same level as Bruce Lee.

[@mitchjames9350]

In America.

[@syrusonassis6785]

​@mitchjames9350 There were fighters in America and all over the world of fighting!Masters and Grandwizards that go waaaaay past black belt status!The fact is these individuals did not make movies in Hollywood! Bruce Lee himself knew this but cause he was a superstar although he did not like to be called that instead prefered to be known as simply a human being he is not going to tell the world that he can be defeated by a high level master or Grandwizard cause his career would of ended if he spoke that truth! Anyone can be defeated in a one on one fight ANYONE this is just facts💯I have great respect for Bruce lee but im a professional street fighter with 112 wins Im 6'2 245 muscular to the max and my combat consists of many styles not just ONE and ive examined as millions have Bruces choreographed skills which are amazing on film but in REALITY would get any man literally annihilated in a one to one combat contact fight!Bruce Lee Vs Chuck Norris displayed Bruces knowledge Over all in fighting mastery but im telling EVERYONE in Reality Bruce would of been in trouble with someone such as my weight size andvsame speed with striking combination plus grappling skills Bruce would of be done ugly!💯

[@syrusonassis6785]

​@mitchjames9350 There were fighters in America and all over the world of fighting!Masters and Grandwizards that go waaaaay past black belt status!The fact is these individuals did not make movies in Hollywood! Bruce Lee himself knew this but cause he was a superstar although he did not like to be called that instead prefered to be known as simply a human being he is not going to tell the world that he can be defeated by a high level master or Grandwizard cause his career would of ended if he spoke that truth! Anyone can be defeated in a one on one fight ANYONE this is just facts💯I have great respect for Bruce lee but im a professional street fighter with 112 wins Im 6'2 245 muscular to the max and my combat consists of many styles not just ONE and ive examined as millions have Bruces choreographed skills which are amazing on film but in REALITY would get any man literally annihilated in a one to one combat contact fight!Bruce Lee Vs Chuck Norris displayed Bruces knowledge Over all in fighting mastery but im telling EVERYONE in Reality Bruce would of been in trouble with someone such as my weight size andvsame speed with striking combination plus grappling skills Bruce would of be done ugly!💯

[@syrusonassis6785]

​@@mitchjames9350Jim Kelly said at the time no one was on Bruces level but Jim Kelly didnt get to travel extensive countries all over thecworld to see fighters that annihilate people not to mention highly skilled assassins of all cultures not just Asians!People are literally BLINDED by Americas HOLLYWOOD that they cant see reality for what it is!Was Bruce a real life fighter the answer is Yes cause he taught combat fighting to students plus stars but hecwas not a extreme STREET FIGHTER that battled one on one with another extreme combat skilled fighters Bruce was a martial Arts Choreographed Genius but he was a HUMAN BEING and in Reality he would of been in troublecwith his weight size and chin not being able to withstand a powerful punch!I know what im talking about cause I LIVE IT!Dont believe Hollywood and Media MMA is not the REAL DEAL!Street fighting with no rules till someone gets KOed is the realest form of underground fighting there is and its been going on for centuries this Hollywood does not want you to know that is where you see all the forms of fighting styles and mastery!I respect Bruce tremendously and he was a great ambassador in representing martial arts in Jeet kune do and wing chun just to realize and he said it himself that he changed his views and expressed that all styles have an advantage if the individual masters it!The real masters and Grandwizards dont do Hollywoid films or nedia of any sort!💯

[@syrusonassis6785]

​@@mitchjames9350Im going to give you a great example do you think REALISTICALLY Bruce would defeat Francis Ngannoua in a one on one street fight?With all of Bruces skills the reality of him getting punched and knocked out quik would soon enter your mind am I right?Or if Francis simply grabbed him and slammed him one time what do you think would hapoen?In reality in a one on one you must deal with counter attacks do you think Bruce would be able to dance around tremdous size strength speed agility and fighting skill set of a bigger opponent?Are you getting my clear soring water drift of why I say Hollywood has peoples minds in a fog?🤔💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@comicbookal]

I'm back here again to comment on this after having done so 9 months ago after recently finding out that a close friend of mine's uncle was at the '67 Long Beach International's tournament and who stated categorically that Vic Moore DID NOT do any of the things he claimed that he did during the demonstration with Bruce. He was there and did not see this take place at all with what Moore is now saying or has said happened.

[@georgcantor7172]

Vic Moore, a supposed Karate Champ, looked impotent against Bruce Lee. Moore is just lying, in order to protect his Ego. He's not gracious about it either Moral of story: Moore is not the kind of guy you can trust.

[@YangPao-l6n]

I don't believe Mr Moore at all I think he is dreaming about throwing punches at Bruce hitting Bruce that way nothing but all Lie...

[@Ninja_Gaiden]

It's pretty awesome that you go around and try to get the truth without a judgemental attitude.

[@antimediaman9354]

I think it's what non fighters would do! A real heroic act of a fighter would take a position, and stand firm on it, and really dig his feet in. It's the nature of a real fighter. It's the spirit of our military., It's the spirit of what we want in a leader of our country. It's essence of the name "viking Samurai" but that's not what we are witnessing!

[@antimediaman9354]

Why doesn't he post the video of Moore walking away after his demo with Bruce, and not punching him? This way we won't have to hear nonsense.

[@georgcantor7172]

@@antimediaman9354 , What military are you talking about? The U.S. military is full of psychopaths and communists who want to destroy the Constitution.

[@DustinBarlow-qo4oy]

LOL Moore was instructed to not throw a strike period.

[@HappyCommando92494]

Vic Moore straight up exposed - thank you!

[@sonnywoods6846]

Exposed I didn't even know the guy was someone important. Was this rumor being spread around? This was the first I ever heard of it

[@brin57]

Maybe it’s. Chuck exposed. How do you know who’s wrong

[@Market-Maven]

@@brin57 The actual footage shows both men are right about Part 1: Bruce throwing two punches at Vic, and Vic said those were about two feet away. Slow down the speed to 1/4 and you see he's right. The film has vertical lines in it that magically appear as a rectangular box around Vic, and Bruce's punches never come close to penetrating them. So they qualify as feints. Part 2: As to the second part, the long film original shows that Chuck correctly remembered that there was no inclusion of Lee defending Moore's strikes in round 2 demo. The film shows Moore bowed with Lee and jogged offstage to the left. There's no doubt about it. Nor has there ever been a story go round or on television or karate mags of the era discussing the day Bruce Lee got showed up and booed. Maybe Mr. Moore was upset he didn't get a movie part. Only he can say. Maybe he just remembered it wrong, as in ego defense mechanism. Maybe it was all the years people thought wrongly that Lee really got the best of him in that demo.

[@Kathy-22]

Vic is a liar

[@yanceyh.1850]

Straight up Lie is more like it.

[@shrinivaaspillai6327]

The Legend lives on and still surprises, what an unforgettable personality!

[@ronsolis8182]

Chuck Sullivan is known for his humility and honesty.

[@Market-Maven]

I don't doubt that. But in this demonstration, the hand was quicker than the eye.

[@rollsgracie268]

Perhaps you’re right but perhaps you guys are just Bruce Lee lovers to a fault who knows

[@StephenKhalfani]

Known by whom? Every White person, who says they were there.

[@StephenKhalfani]

I remember a guy! I remember Bruce pulled a guy out of the crowd. Don't you find that oddly, interesting at best?

[@ikmalhakimharun3823]

​@@StephenKhalfaniso ? that guy is vic moore. cuz chuck literally said he didnt knew who moore is

[@csd8204]

I like that you didn't hesitate to have two people who were there discuss what happened directly. I don't know if it was definitively resolved but it was definitively addressed.

[@tonysan4762]

It's looking like Vic Moore is delusional.

[@springfauna1465]

​@@tonysan4762 Totally!!!!! 😂

[@StevenAnderson-pq8lw]

Vic Moore beat everyone else

[@counterstrike89]

Vic Moore does not like losing, he got into a big fight with Joe Lewis, they were throwing chairs at each other, and he eventually lost to Lewis I believe more than once, we have footage of Moore vs Lewis on youtube, and Moore is completely outclassed. The top fighters of that time virtually all put Lewis in their top 10 toughest fighters and usually 1 or 3, none of them ever put Moore on that list.

[@cookedit]

​@Fk KZbin You're really sucking that Vic Moore juice, jumping to his defence on every comment. Take some pain-killers for those burns.

[@brucebanner3566]

​@Fk KZbin so why did it take him 30 years to say something about it? Yeah right. Show the proof, I'm from the show me state!

[@rouman7]

Lewis who beat vic said Bruce was to fast

[@brucebanner3566]

@Fk KZbin I didn't know that it took him 30 years that's why I asked the question, Mr illiterate. Besides, if sensei all you can eat buffet is so good, why didn't he say he beat Bruce right away? If he beat Bruce right away, wouldn't he want to tell everyone instead of waiting for him to pass away? Wouldn't people try to get him to prove it right away?. Try to read the question properly before you male cheerlead, genius. You don't know if Bruce would lose in sparring because you have no proof! Jim Kelly said Bruce was the best, behind closed doors Bruce would win, Jim Kelly never said anything about Vic beating anyone behind closed doors or in public.🤣

[@DocFear]

@Fk KZbin Then how come nobody who was there substantiates Vic's claim? NOBODY... Just Vic... so all the video footage is lying and everyone else is lying but only Vic is telling the truth in a wierd ass conspiracy? Right... show some evidence or keep it between you and Vic cause you're one of the few people gullible enough to believe him. 18 thousand witnesses... That's a lot of people who could back up Vics claim but no one has supported Vic's statement except him and his students.Think rationally.... Vic by claiming he beat Bruce Lee gets more students if they're dumb enough to believe his conspiracy theory. What does Sullivan gain by lying? Which one actually has motive to lie?

[@khairt1731]

11:15 you definitely solved the "mystery". 18k people were in attendance and no one witnessed Bruce getting hit or crying.

[@antimediaman9354]

Plus after that demo Vic walks away back to his seat and doesn't hand around like he said to hit Bruce Lee. Lie exposed!!

[@supralogical]

Vic was so fast he humiliated Bruce Lee and no one saw him do it. That's fast.

[@antimediaman9354]

@@supralogical lol that's funny as hell!

[@Kathy-22]

Exactly

[@stevehalling816]

And why wouldn't it have been filmed? If someone hit Bruce Lee like he says it would have been a headline story

[@athens_1psvr31]

The footage shows Moore stunned, shaking hands, bowing and walking clear out of the demonstration area after Bruce threw his punches. How did you even get caught up in this guys story?

[@michaelzimmerman8959]

And besides, catching his hand on the way back isn't blocking the punch. 😅

[@markf3229]

Reminds me old guys in a bar going on about their boxing history and lamenting over if so and so was not around I would have been a contender and so forth. Moore whinges in this clip and bullshits just as he would have done many times previous to this knowing that a majority would not have access to the old footage. Bruce Lee was untouchable even if he was giving these demos with a heads up of what was going to happen

[@tonysan4762]

​@@michaelzimmerman8959Bruce Lee was throwing those punches for speed only and not from striking range either. In a real sparring match or fight I think Bruce Lee whoops him.

[@mantiskf2003]

@@michaelzimmerman8959 you do not need to "block" something that is stopping 30cms from you; and catching it on the way back is one of the best ways to close on an opponent. It's understood in many styles. If Moore was stunned, it was because he had been duped, like TV advertorials showing their products working amazingly - then they don't work at your house.

[@allenmontalvo8355]

Vic Moore is a liar and he's been found out because Bruce Lee is dead now and he can BS all he can now!!!

[@mrmrgaming]

The thing is, everyone from that time/met/sparred with Bruce wants to be known as "The man who beat Bruce" or "The man who was faster than Bruce." There is always someone harder and faster out there, but on that day, Bruce just did his thing and now Victor just wants in on the legacy.

[@bobbyologun1517]

to the contrary everyone coattails and says they "learned everything" from Bruce. No one and I mean NO ONE says they beat the shtt out of Bruce. Fans dont want to hear that!

[@springfauna1465]

​@@bobbyologun1517 The question is, who actually did?

[@bobbyologun1517]

@@springfauna1465 Gene LaBell of course

[@jimmydills7226]

​@Bobby Ologun he didn't beat the shit out of him. He got him in a fireman's carry.

[@axelstone3131]

@@bobbyologun1517because nobody did.

[@eduardoescoban7790]

I really hope you could get in touch with Dan Inosanto but I'm afraid he is hard to reach directly. Dan was assisting Bruce in many exhibitions, maybe he was told by Bruce what really happened during 61 YMCA fight, 64 Wong Jack Man fight and 73 on film set fight...

[@mikestansbury2510]

i'm training with escrima in stockton and my teacher knows dan and his family. actually has photos of him holding the lineage up with mirarada under one of his instructors. apparently he breaks bread with dan and his wife. i want to meet the guy, but he's in his 80s now. i set up a google search from my house to his school, and with no traffic, it's a 6.5 hour drive... i keep thinking about going, but for me in my 50s and having a spine issue, i keep putting it off.

[@khairt1731]

Yes. We need Dan on the podcast to talk about all those events

[@thomasstillman4805]

Just go to one of his seminars and meet him there. That's what I did back in 1996. I did my first Dog Brothers Gathering that same year, just a few months before.

[@tonysoto8949]

Dan had said in a couple of interviews that he witnessed personally Bruce Lee in fights and he said Bruce explodes into opponents and ends his fights as quickly as possible because of the one fight with that other Chinese kung fu master when he won the fight but it took longer to win the fight so even though he won he was upset it took to long. His wife also witnessed this fight. Jim Kelly the same, he witnessed closed door sparing sessions between Bruce and the top martial arts practitioners of that era s d Jim said Bruce made quick work of them and he said out of respect for those masters he and Bruce would not tell anybody who those masters were because that was the agreement prior to engaging

[@luxurybuzz3681]

You can call his studio and ask

[@kelvendyson1508]

OMG!! That was awesome having both GM's on!! Great live broadcast!!

[@VikingSamurai]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@antimediaman9354]

@@VikingSamurai He's GM (Vic Moore) because he made up his own shit, but never was promoted to GM. You need to expose that too Viking! It's not finalized!

[@gregalcorn-pu5ye]

@@antimediaman9354 why do people keep calling Vic Moore a grandmaster I'm sure he's lying about that too

[@gregalcorn-pu5ye]

@@antimediaman9354 man you are absolutely right Vic Moore is not a grandmaster a grand master would not lie about someone else and brag about himself they are too disciplined to do something like

[@mig1017]

You've really got to get Dan Inosanto on. Please, hes getting on a bit now, so more now than ever. Let's clear this up. Kudos to Chuck Sullivan for speaking up.

[@209Richsta]

Even Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee the real deal.

[@Uffareel]

😂 Bruce's speed is legendary...there's footage of him in a 3 piece suit and I ain't seen anyone faster and Ive seen em all . Course Vic doesn't want to be the guy that bruce made look slow but there's no shame in that he did it to everyone . Also when one guy can't speak to it , the other guy can say whatever he wants .

[@mauricebrocklehurst2358]

We should call dave, the viking Samurai hunter. He hunts for truth, honour and justice in the American way and us viewers love it. Nice one dude 👏 👌 👍

[@VikingSamurai]

Thanks! Lol

[@mauricebrocklehurst2358]

​@@VikingSamurai BTW i love the scene from a few good men. Lol

[@mauricebrocklehurst2358]

​@@VikingSamurai I've just seen an interview on KZbin with Hugh jackman and he said he got too look that phenomenal due to 3 months of intensive training and with a period of Dehydration techniques for the shirtless scenes. If its true or not who knows but if it is, what real dedication to acting.

[@VikingSamurai]

@@mauricebrocklehurst2358 Dehydrating and getting dry will definately help the ripped look appearance, it can make someone look visually a couple % bodyfat leaner imo

[@aidenfletcher6503]

I think vic had a dream he blocked Bruce lee s punches

[@comedyentertainmentchannel5621]

and even in the dream Bruce was to fast for him lol

[@aidenfletcher6503]

@@comedyentertainmentchannel5621 he's likely re living that day for the rest of his life only he tells it differently lol

[@comedyentertainmentchannel5621]

@@aidenfletcher6503 LOL

[@mig1017]

Viv hasn't slept since that demonstration. He's friggin exhausted & hallucinating like he's on the powder 😂

[@gabrielbarrera8073]

Hahaha yeah he dreamed

[@jrfly4307]

That guy Vic Moore is full of it, convinced himself of something he never did but would wish he could do ... Come on Man 😭

[@davids2933]

Yup!

[@josef-Connected]

On the vid its easy to see that he blocked

[@grandwonder5858]

Yes, Vic Moore was invincible! He blocked all of Bruce Lee’s punches with his face!😝😂

[@davidmarkham4891]

CHUCK SULLIVAN ! You are one of the absolute GREATEST MARTIAL ARTISTS , in Every Sense of the Word , that I have ever met ! I hope we can get back in touch ! God bless you !

[@TheOnlyGHOST1015]

That was pretty Epic when VS says hold on let me call Vic to get to the bottom and Vic picks up. But this would never get resolved I believe Vic lives in his own world telling his grandkids how he defeated the legendary Bruce Lee 😆

[@geefunkz5441]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@redlightspellsdanger7177]

Once you tell a little white lie you need to keep telling it or you lose face…

[@ScottS.W.S]

True! Lol

[@PygmalionFaciebat]

Vic is full of himself. I also saw an interview, were he told a fairytail why he is faster than Bruce... he said "because as a kid i always looked to other kids in the schoolbus, where they look, and which move came after their look... thats why i as adult i am faster than Bruce" ... Sorry, but no. Yes, as a Hollywood-movie like "Karate Kid" its a cool story, to build up bow to the "talent of a kid, who becomes Karate-Champion" ... but i am sure, thats not how talent in reality works. Vic also told in the same interview, that Bruce Lee in the end of the demonstration said "you are the fastest american i ever met" (that shows, how much he wants the appreciation of a big name .... which before he trashtalked). That contradiction just doesnt make sense. I also can sense by his laughing at the demonstration of Bruce (at the footage) that he had a lot of disrespect towards Bruce even at that point. There was no reason, to appreciate Bruce. So he had a strong motive to make things up about Bruce, i would say. And the hurted and inflated ego explains the rest.

[@fitnessmore2390]

Here’s a little more footage showing 2 of the 3 punches!! kzbin.info59natxeZXnE?si=L1LPJmnsGIYl-gvX Vic lied & said he blocked them😂😂😂😂😂

[@peteryeung111]

He probably told that story to his students enough times and believed it himself. I believe that exhibit benefited him tremendously.

[@orlock20]

Bullsh**so has crept into all of the martial arts.

[@williamaycock579]

That’s entirely possible considering his age. His imagination is getting mistaken for real memories.

[@wttao39]

🤣😜🤣👍

[@BuJammy]

@@orlock20 It was always there.

[@GuyAntone]

If he did, show me proof. Lol. Like to see it. Maybe I hit him too but have no video of it. Lmao😅

[@t-virusterrance4734]

Hello, Viking Samurai. I respect Vic, because he's a Martial Artist. However, I don't believe his Bruce Lee story. Thousands of humans saw that demonstration. All the Martial Artists back then, said the same thing, no one was on Bruce's level. However, you did have alot of humans thinking they were better than Bruce, but they weren't. TERRANCE OUT

[@stevo62ful]

Maybe they thought they were better because Bruce never really fought.

[@t-virusterrance4734]

@@stevo62ful Bruce Lee fought on the streets of China, was challenged many times, by Martial Artists in America. Instead of being a clown, do your research. TERRANCE OUT

[@stevo62ful]

@@t-virusterrance4734 The standard fanboy answer is "do your research". Well I've done my research and I can't find the name and credentials of a single opponent on the streets of China, so why don't you tell me the name and credentials of a street fighter in China that Bruce fought, along with details of what happened' ?, otherwise it might look like you are the clown

[@muddypalmsera]

We need to hear the testimonies of more eye witnesses.

[@Quantum3691]

Vic is still hurt about getting embarrassed by Bruce.

[@francdubois7832]

In a Vic Moore video he not only claims he beat Lee in speed drill, but goes on to say he sparred him in a private room at Longbeach, and kicked his ass - _and_ Moore claims a camera man filmed it. I’m not Lee fanboying, but where’s the proof, Vic? Surely this camera man would have released this footage after all this time.

[@kevinh573]

Exactement! And the money that camera man could have made...There was never any footage, if there was it would have been released a long time ago. Vic Moore is a fat old LIAR!

[@neutron7077]

😄 Ya where's the footage? I would love to see 👀 it! 🤔

[@georgetate7233]

He should be addressed as Mr. Vic Moore, perhsps youve never trained in a traditional martial arts school.

[@francdubois7832]

@@georgetate7233 I’ll address this liar as Pr*ck Moore.

[@DocFear]

@@georgetate7233 Liars aren't respected by everyone. If respect for liars is your thing you do you.

[@HDsharp]

I was half expecting Vic wouldnt be available. It blew me away, that he actually was.

[@adamkane7513]

Yes, because *VM* usually has something better to do..?

[@HDsharp]

@@adamkane7513 probably not, just waiting to die😛

[@brogoram]

Yeah...me too. I was like 'dont want an old man get debunked worldwide .. LIVE!'. Just leave him be..let an old man enjoy the rest of his life. But the other side of me felt a little angry for his lies

[@mattk5020]

Can you get Chuck Norris on the show and maybe other people who were there. I would love to get to the bottom of it but maybe invite Dan Inosanto on your show as he may know.

[@antimediaman9354]

I asked Dan already a few years ago when Moore started making this claim and Dan said it was BS.

[@rong805]

​@@antimediaman9354Chuck Norris on the show? Really?! Chuck only comes out in emergencies when the world needs him.

[@antimediaman9354]

@@rong805 lol yeah right. Comes to save the day!

[@clarklavasarnio2408]

Hopefully

[@bruhmoment3731]

You gotta interview some ppl about the apologetic letter that Chuck Norris wrote to Bruce Lee where he said he was not ashamed to learn from Bruce and that he thought it was a privilege learning from Bruce. The letter was discovered a few years ago and can be easily found. I wanna learn more about the context of that letter.

[@mig1017]

Great point. Would love to know more about why Chuck felt compelled to open up and write to Bruce to clear the air.

[@326vince]

He’s all mixed up. I saw a recent video where Norris said Lee didn’t use the high kick until he told Lee to use it. But Bruce kicked out a light on the ceiling before ever meeting Chuck on the Green Hornet. Everyone wants to believe that they would have beaten Bruce Lee. Sadly he passed like most great talents. Hendrix ,etc…. Anyway RIP bruce Lee. Legend who’s still talked about today! Some will never pass in that way!

[@bruhmoment3731]

@@326vince I think Chuck became a lot more humble and mature in recent years. I saw a pretty new video that came out only a few years ago in which he said Bruce would've done EXTREMELY well if he competed. His humility in that video made me respect him a lot more.

[@adamnaylor5390]

​​@@326vincebruce could high kick but bruce lee style at the time was wing chun they don't belive in kicking above the waist chuck encouraged lee to kick above the waist

[@326vince]

@@adamnaylor5390 true but he did fight in the streets before coming to America. And I believe that was really when he started to combine styles

[@Frank-ki4nx]

The footage I saw was Bruce never getting his hand closer than 18 inches from Vic's head. Looks like Bruce pulled his punch before it could be blocked.

[@stevo62ful]

A meaningless demo and the fanboys wet themselves

[@CrowT]

Fantastic stuff. This is growing to be my favorite Martial Arts channels as a kid born in 82 and grew up in the 90s lol. Man if you get Dan Inosanto on here lol! Would be awesome. Great stuff🤘

[@nimoyrichardson4311]

I just watched the unedited footage of the 1967 karate international and Vic Moore didn’t throw any punches at Bruce Lee. After the demonstration they bowed and walked there separate ways.

[@laxer123]

wrong...Vic came to the stage and started to jump thinkn that they were gonna fight but Li was just into a comedy show case

[@YoraiDragon]

I meaaaaaan LOL. I wasn't there physically, but I knew it was a glorified dream story to pump himself up. 50+ years later, but you're doing a great job Viking.

[@fitnessmore2390]

ere’s a little more footage showing 2 of the 3 punches!! kzbin.info59natxeZXnE?si=L1LPJmnsGIYl-gvX Vic lied & said he blocked them😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnjoyce1958]

I think if that happened the way Vic Moore said it did it would have been recorded by the camera men there. Bruce was humble enough to give someone credit for their abilities which he did on many occasions with his own students. If what Vic said happened I think Bruce would have given him credit for it and probably wanted to train with him like he did with Chuck Norris and other martial arts experts. He might even have invited Vic to be in one of his movies. None of that happened so I have to side with those present who said that it didn't happen the way Vic said it did.

[@arnold-hu4vk]

His memory about the whole event may be flawed, but the footage shows that he actually did block Bruce's punch to the chest. And the punch to the head stops well short, didn't even come close.

[@josef-Connected]

Everyone can see this in the vid. I dont know whats wrong with this people here. It frightening.

[@arnold-hu4vk]

@@josef-Connected I know, it's very weird.

[@stevo62ful]

@@josef-Connected They don't want to see it.

[@sliderx1897]

"he had tears in his eyes" 😂😂😂😂

[@wayne3093]

He said the crowd were booing and against Bruce so there should be plenty of people who saw it if it was true.

[@Veteran007]

I was familiar with all the martial artists of that era, but for the life of me, I never heard of Victor Moore

[@angelbanda718]

How do you not no Vic Moore. He taught the penguins to defend themselves from Steven Segal. He beat Chuck. He beat Bruce and even the guy who put the cheese on the nachos! Vic the Moore I talk the Moore I've done!

[@Veteran007]

@@angelbanda718 All the videos out there show him getting beat. So I have no idea of what he's talking about.

[@jean-louisgonneau]

Hi Viking Samurai Sir ! For me, there's no mistery : Vic Moore believes in his own dreams !

[@tonytackett2885]

Now that's a good example of premium journalism. Why can't MSM do this. Call them out on air .

[@SumZonedCat]

Awesome job getting all the sides of the story, so important to represent the history outside of the Ego, assertions and manipulations! Of course there is video too lol 👀🔥

[@jeffoconnor8159]

Yep. The video is there. Same thing Bruce gets criticized for....even tho it was the late 60s...before cell phone technology!😊

[@gregalcorn-pu5ye]

I don't think I don't think it's an awesome job I think it's b*******this mr. Samurai entertaining such an idiot asSandblaster Vic Moore

[@japekki666]

Don't you think some other people from the audience would told this to press later if Vic's story would be true and i think it would have in papers anyway after the demostration. Of course it would have been in papers etc, but only who is telling this story is VIC. I believe Vic could not handle that Bruce was way faster than he could imagine and to protect his own "Vic's" status as a great martial artist to make that fake story and he would stick to it because he can claim that there is lost footage because there was not so many cameras after all at that time to say otherwise. I am 100% convinced that Vic story is fake as hell. He is only one who is telling this story over and over again but nobody else is backing him up.

[@abrahamchisomonamasasu]

Yes please do ask those other folks what they saw at that tournament David. That will be interesting to learn.👂👁👁🤔👍

[@RM-306]

Been waiting to hear from eye witness like this. The whole thing is so interesting. I do think there is more Bruce footage that is unreleased

[@johndough8115]

Not from this event. Vic is a story teller. A Narcissist thats seeking more Narcissistic Supply (Attention).

[@AndrewFord]

No, there isn't and doesn't need to be moore footage you have to use common sense seeing with your 3rd-eye beyond egos

[@robd1329]

Their probably is footage in someones grand-dad closet...most likely detoriated by now. If it existed it would have been sold to someone

[@antimediaman9354]

there is no eye witness to this cause it never happened. Go watch the orignal video cause Moore walks away from Bruce and Bruce goes on to do another demo.

[@AndrewFord]

@@antimediaman9354 Walking away has no point...he wasn't in a fight with Bruce. Bruce on video proved he was faster and if one cannot see that, and therefore see Vic's Ego then they are "demonstarting" they are as slow/blind as Vic; period...you can say nothing in return just like vic & Jai White cannot.

[@jzf9451]

If the video shows Bruce punching Victor, why we don't have the video? Release what?...Trust me if there was a video, it would have been shown during the same segment.

[@ransomedavis2208]

great stuff viking, these people that talk whack about bruce needs to be called out. vic is clearly deluded and now in his final yrs is trying to big up himself because anybody out there that bested bruce in anything was clearly somebody incredible. ive seen interviews on yourube with the late joe lewis and hes talking about how fast and powerful bruce was when sparing. vic was NOT on bruces level no way.

[@LawDescendant]

Been in the martial arts scene in southeastern NC for 25 years now. I live less than an hour from Victor Moore's school and have met several of his students. While he was legit Vic sells pipe dreams to his students and tells even worse lies than this to them. Living so close to his hometown in Lumberton, NC a good many of us here have heard his "stories". The proof is in the pudding and all I've ever seen is his belt mill McDojo's and very few students of any skill I would want to possess.

[@damienchan1786]

Wow thats telling it

[@oldironsides4107]

Vic Moore beat up 12 men outside of Juanita’s after he ate a 7 lb burrito. Last summer

[@gregalcorn-pu5ye]

He is definitely a joke what a coward man, and he ought to be ashamed of himself handing out belts like that he's going to get somebody killed one day

[@StevenAnderson-pq8lw]

Vic Moore stuck to his story for years, I've been hearing this ever since I was 14 and 16 years old and here we are in 2024.

[@paulpells1864]

Looking at the clip Vic More did move his arms slightly in response, maybe in his own mind he thought that was a block as it wasn't a contact demonstration. Just a thought.

[@mikejames8031]

I love how people all beat Bruce Lee after he died and can't say anything.

[@stevo62ful]

I love how all these fanboys say Bruce beat this guy and that guy with zero evidence.

[@RansomeDavis]

Great work Viking chuck seems a really nice guy.

[@joeallen5074]

I like this guy Chuck Sullivan. Hes honest straight forward and real. Good to have a real witness to shame the lies of Vic Moore trying to make a name for himself off of Bruce Lee.

[@partymarty5207]

Can you ask Dan Inosanto if Vic is telling the truth? He was there as well right? IMO the video shows Vic Moore humbled how could you say to someone "let me show you how it's done" to someone whose punches you weren't able to stop? That would be like getting your ass kicked then telling the guy who did it you are gonna beat him up 😆 🤣 😂!

[@StennMathis]

Working hard? A rich guy told me years ago in person "Work smarter NOT harder!" Meaning someone can work less hours (6 hours), and earn more than those who bust their asses on 10 hour shifts... During the Industrial revolution worked fking hard in factories...And? And let's face it, life isn't so black n white...Elon was BORN into wealth, walking around with emeralds in his pocket as a teen... Walk your own path

[@Carlparishhonda]

There should be video footage of Moore blocking Bruce Lee punches.

[@kraiguarsmith1794]

The only footage we see is Bruce in a fighting stance, Victor is standing straight up, hands down. Who has the advantage?

[@creightonfreeman8059]

I'm sure Dan Inosanto was there. I already know what he will say. He has said more than once that no-one could touch Bruce. The Parker family probably has all the footage of that tournament. I think it was the footage of the '64 Longbeach Internationals that Parker showed to Blake Edwards that got Bruce the Kato Gig on Green Hornet, so Parker filmed the tournament each year. btw, Ed Parker was not such a huge Bruce Lee fan that he would have with-held any film footage if it existed. I asked him what he thought of Bruce Lee after a Seminar he was giving at Mark Miller's Kenpo studio in Parma Heights back in the '80's and his response was "He was fast and talented but he didn't know much". Of course I think martial arts is more about what you can do than what you know, but I was a 19 year old kid or thereabouts....who was I to debate Ed Parker.

[@nostradamus522]

It’s always the same, when you seen someone that are better then all ! Then the ones are fans-the other, that have a reputation they smear him ! Saw the films from Ed Parker, he wasn’t something special/he knows that too. 😂😂😂

[@antimediaman9354]

it's online man and after the demo Moore walks away. He don't hang out. it's on the extended version.

[@antimediaman9354]

He might have said he didn't know much because Bruce was outspoken and insulted him in front of his students as you heard in the video.

[@silverfoxsilverfox6932]

​​@@antimediaman9354 Listen you talk like Bruce Lee was invincible or something, Bruce Lee's punches had been blocked before it's not like it couldn't happen. Ralph castro and Kenneth wong both easily blocked Bruce's punches. Wong blocked Bruce Lee's punches in 64 at the sun sing theatre and castro was someone lee met through James yim lee. This guy saying he didn't see or it never happened that Moore blocked Bruce Lee's punches so the question now is why do others that were also there on the day say that Moore did block Lee's punches. James MCcunney, Steve Sanders, Michael Maguire all present on the day say Moore blocked Lee's punches, they cant all be lying, surely there is more here than meets the eye.

[@antimediaman9354]

@@silverfoxsilverfox6932 "Listen you talk like Bruce Lee was invincible or something, Bruce Lee's punches had been blocked before it's not like it couldn't happen. There is no way that I said anywhere that Bruce Lee was even Great!! Are you stupid or what for putting those words in my mouth? You really need to check yoyr reading comprehension fella.. Show me where i said that.I'm calling you out!! Show me where i said that. I'm waiting.

[@regalbeagle2321]

Vic Dux!

[@ronniepassley2462]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@joeallen5074]

Vic Moore is full of it. No disrespect but come on man. He's adding things. Bruce had tears in his eyes. Lmao come on man . The video tape doesn't lie.

[@YangJeongin.1]

Based on what captured on the camera here, the master Vic failed to block Bruce’s punch because Bruce’s punch was super fast for him. He just did want to admit! Look, when Bruce punched and retracted his punch and master Vic didn’t even budge. In a real fight scenario where you can not block your opponent’s punch, you are dead meat, my friend.

[@bobritter1195]

Vic Moore was my Sensi and he was very fast and the Best at what he taught. He was 4 time world champion and knew several different Martial arts. I knew him in 1965 through 1966.

[@rollsgracie268]

Mr. Sullivan. At the beginning of this video said that she doesn’t really remember she was up there with Bruce. Then all of a sudden he remembers everything clearly that doesn’t make much sense either. Remember, he said he didn’t even remember who was up there, so how well can you remember any of it?

[@The1stMagnum]

It is interesting how no one has footage of what happens afterwards tho

[@ciuvarioan7445]

Maybe Dan Inosanto knows the truth. Anyway, Vic Moore looks like he invented some stuff... some old men do that.

[@johndough8115]

This isnt a case of "old-man-Itis". Vic was saying this BS, long before his elder age. Hes just a narcissist, that sustained a narcissistic injury, over feeling Humiliated by the demo. And like any typical narcissist.. hes made up a whole new reality... and brainwashed himself with it, until it Stuck. Even in murd3r cases against a Narcissist... where there is 100% undisputable Evidence, the Narcissist will refuse to admit to their Crime. They will keep spitting out false narratives. Thats how they operate.

[@MikeTssr]

Where is the film footage or picture

[@PainIsALie]

I’m not surprised!

[@martinmccloskey2435]

Three things for sure. 1. Lee didn't come close to Victor's face. it looked like he was 18" away. 2. The guy he did his one inch punch on was in reality a push, with the guy falling back into the chair because the guy was standing with his feet parallel to his shoulders, AND it was a metal chair on a slick floor. 3. Victor Moore has a bad memory.

[@mcdonnellbobcat]

Thank you Martin , How many demos of Bruce's have the opponent standing squared and vulnerable to being off balanced. I'm a fan of Bruce's philosophy and methods , however some of the demos do not reflect that

[@waltersimmons946]

JEALOUSY IS SO GREEN ON SOME POSTS.

[@MrMagnaniman]

4. People have created a cult to worship Bruce Lee and refuse to acknowledge that someone who didn't fight can't possibly be the greatest fighter ever.

[@waltersimmons946]

@Magnaniman This may piss some off but anyway, I am part of no "cult" whatsoever, and I don't think Bruce Lee is the "greatest fighter" ever. BUT I FIRMLY BELIEVE BRUCE LEE IS THE GREATEST MARTIAL ARTIST OF ALL TIME.

[@MrMagnaniman]

@@waltersimmons946 I think he's the greatest actor to portray a martial artist of all time. Can't really claim to be a great martial artist without ever doing anything martial.

[@kellyash45]

Chuck couldn't remember much of anything from that day, not to mention, he had no idea who Vic Moore was at all. I would love to see the video of what Vic is claiming though.

[@VikingSamurai]

Here kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJS4hHV8mJ2NZpo

[@BlackPhoenixPrime]

Steve Saunders actually talked about the exchange in another video. Multiple Martial Arts have talked about this as well. Vic did a walk thru of the released video blow by blow. His account was honest.

[@barrylouber1096]

If Vic Moore was telling the truth, why has no one else ever corroborated his version of what happened? Not to mention the 18,000 people in attendance, you'd think one of them would've said something at some point over the years. Vic Moore is either senile, delusional, or a liar. You pick.

[@gregalcorn-pu5ye]

Of what video man what video are you talking about the one that doesn't exist I have never met anybody who said that Victor Moore was honest just the total opposite and a few other choice words

[@BlackPhoenixPrime]

If we need to be brutally honest and objective, there are additional clips of the exchange. We see these sometines edited and unedited as there is only one video. Delicately trying not to bring race into this, but the exchange and conversation is in a totally different perspective when you speak to the African American Masters who were in attendance. Bruce was an exceptional martial artist and it is a very emotional subject to his fans, but he is unproven as a fighter. He never fought and Martial Artist of reputation. Possibly Wong Jack Man, but Sifu Man's record is not public.

[@gregalcorn-pu5ye]

@@BlackPhoenixPrime there are many other people out there who would totally disagree with your view of Bruce Lee fighting ability and how and where it was and wasn't proven that is your opinion saying he's an unproven fighter other than Jack Wong man which is by itself hearsay and everything that comes out of Victor Moor mouth is a lie and that's not hearsay, Bruce Lee has more than one fight under his belt other than Wong Jack man I just find it odd that everybody that new Bruce Lee and the truth about the man are dead right now except Dan inosanto why don't you ask Dan and Santo he'll answer all your questions do yourself and everyone else a favor when you're trying to make a point just get to, no need to sound so eloquent because I'm sure you're not

[@BlackPhoenixPrime]

The problem with these kinds of discussions is people feeling overly passionate about a person or subject just get angry and the discussion devolves. I can ask anyone you like. Master Lee was an unparalleled philosopher and teacher, but the fact remains, he has never fought a professional fighter. He did win a boxing championship is high school and even in his own words, Muhammad Ali could beat him. Fighting ganbangers in a street fight takes courage, but as seen on the TV show, Bully Beatdown, they never fare well against a trained fighter. Bruce Lee was labeled 4F and rejected by the U.S. Military on his application. Bruce Lee was extremely nearsighted and wore contact lenses, Bruce had also suffered fainting spells prior to his allergic reaction to the paragesic that ended his life. Bruce Lee also reduced his optimal abilities significantly by have the sweat glands under his arms removed. These are all facts, not opinions. I have no plans on relearning everything I learned and I have no plans on educating you or anyone else. I'm just speaking facts. I'm sorry if you are so offended and angry at what I am saying.

[@cback2250]

Please get other people to create a true closure. Your doing a good job

[@dragonvue09]

Mmm vic Moore hit bruce lee and Bruce had tears in his eyes? Where's the video?

[@Darkvader401]

Vic had it in his dreams and pushed it through.

[@adrianboyddodd8007]

Not only is Moore not even close to blocking those strikes but his live reaction is one of a man who knows he is out of his league.

[@ocelot108]

You've only seen one strike. A looped clip is all you've seen like everyone else. Grandmaster Victor Moore's account has been done away with.

[@robd1329]

....you didnt take like a bathroom break?? Hahah that was funny. Im sorry but Vic Moore at his age is just making up some tall tales! In the footage it looks like Vic Moore laughed a bit and just walked away from Bruce after that quick demo. He didnt say let me show you how its done...that def would have been recorded.

[@Dan53196]

It’s called confabulation. Narcissists don’t have a properly developed ego and one of the egos functions pertains to memory. They end up having blind spots in their memory that their unconscious fills in with things that sound plausible to them that bolsters their grandiose false self. They don’t even know they are doing it.

[@andrewclack4881]

You gotta chuckle at Vic sitting there in full regalia still trying to boost his ego at 150.

[@alexfarriell4180]

Viking Samurai aka detective 😊

[@VikingSamurai]

I'm trying man

[@alexfarriell4180]

@@VikingSamurai it's working 😊

[@alexfarriell4180]

New nickname hehe Viking Samurai Ninja 🤣

[@robd1329]

Hope he solves the JFK assisination

[@antonioridah172]

Bruce lee the Goat 🐐

[@rapman9308]

Too short. We need more. It's interesting!

[@oteliogarcia1562]

If Vic Moore had his hands down at the start of the attack, why is anyone surprised at the results? assuming those are full videos and not loops. Basically Moore was being mugged.

[@zcpyoshi]

he did a master ken move. the video cameras of the time couldn't capture it.

[@brianjones3191]

Memories are not digital recordings; they are fluid and change over time. They are unreliable. Where is the complete film footage?

[@larrysellers8811]

I find it totally unbelievable that Bruce Lee the competitor and street fighter he was had tears in his eyes. He trained and sparred with the best at that time. Why wouldn’t he train with a guy who supposedly just beat him? Bruce was all about taking from other genres of combat and using them in his own style.

[@Robert-bb9wi]

Bruce was an honored martial artist demonstrator at this time . These exhibitions were restricted . What is being alleged seems to not be remembered by others . This odd ,but doesn't demonstrate much to hang a hat on . Besides sparing usually had a lot of restraint in America and rarely involved anything but minimal contact !" This is why karate tournaments were frowned on later on ,and MMA became more popular because of its realism and application to genuine fighting !""

[@dixondaqua]

If you watch the videos he was only able to get hand after the punch was committed he did not block at all

[@KD-rd1im]

too awkward of a conversation. Just let the old dude have it 😂

[@klink708]

Where is the footage?

[@rabbithole8592]

If you're reacting, you're going to lose. Vic was at a disadvantage during that demonstration. But yeah, it definitely looks like Vic turned and walked away.

[@garyquay8587]

Vic Moore dreaming he punched Bruce Lee,if you believe your lie you’re just going to keep saying it ..funny how Grand master and everyone else there that day didn’t see this 😂

[@shadownine9495]

Everybody blinked at the exact moment he threw his punches

[@Dunning-Krugereffect]

"The man had tears in his eyes." lol ok dude.. chill out

[@ivanracine431]

Chuck is telling the truth

[@Ocean8881]

Although there is no available video proof that Vic Moore beat Bruce in the speed test. I think Vic could nt stand a chance if he really did make an attempt. By his reaction based on the video after Bruce threw the punches one can tell he couldn t block them. The body movement from the reaction said it all.

[@kungfew1396]

"He had tears in his eyes." Okay Vic Moore keep writing that great science fiction. 🤣🤣😭

[@COSMOTRON75]

Vic is like the barber shop characters from Comming to America with eddy murphy. " then I punched the guy and he’s head flew of”

[@lukecage4095]

I have personally talked to Victor Moore on the phone. I was interested in joining his organization as a practitioner. He asked me to send him $40 and he would comply. I sent the $40 to him. In return I received a certificate signed by him in some illegitimate hand writing. I never heard from him again. This incident told me that Victor Moore is not totally honest and legit. So in reference to his claims of beating Bruce Lee I believe it to be questionable to say the least.

[@VikingSamurai]

Interesting

[@heribertogonzalez3186]

Maybe you should ask Benny “the Jet,” because , he said he was there with his older brother that day.

[@gamervet4760]

11:08 Okay, I've never heard of Vic. My study of martial arts was more in the UFC with only classic martial arts flicks as inspiration. I like to pride myself on being the only one in my family with any formal fighting training. Bruce Lee was the man to me growing up. My dad had a lot of tapes and interviews with Bruce. I watched that stuff a lot because I was infatuated with his legend. Then I started to see the genuine crazy, caring person inside and understand his philosophy. I began meditating because of Bruce of classic samurai films. For Vic to say that stuff is weird and I side with Chuck on this debate. Also, his little quip about "Wait a minute, Bruce, let me show you how it's done," and everything after sounds like a fantasy. Chuck has never struck me as a liar or shit talker. He seems to be a no-nonsense fighter with a lighter side for life. Just from my viewings of the man. So, yeah. I'm with Chuck on that bububu-bullshit.

[@ScotsGal]

Vic Moore was also in the kumite with Frank dux 😉

[@jakemorrison548]

Never believed his story. Why didn’t I believe? Because he’s the only one telling that story. Never heard any of the legends talk about it…just him.