viktor and jayce's relationship drama for over 5 minutes (act 2)

part 3: • viktor & jayce pine an...
yeah the title couldn't be as memey this time we're in the deep end now boys
+ now with about ten times more unnecessary commentary from me, you're welcome
every angry comment i get fuels me. keep em coming :) (but also everyone being nice is much more welcome, thank you all for the attention on these dumb vids)

[@tvheit5381]

pin this or they're straight

[@dafade2254]

💀

[@maem7462]

It had been pinned so it’s confirmed they are not straight

[@MJ_Johnson]

What kind of emotional blackmail-- /Joke

[@lalhimpuiamahima7319]

😅

[@brina5064]

Thank god. Confirmed, they are not straight.

[@xpokemaster1]

I love how all the fandom is extremely protective of Viktor. He deserves it.

[@pokimanefartcompilation]

I hate that the majority also translates it into hating Jayce

[@error404willtolivenotfound3]

Knowing Viktor's lore, season 2 is gonna hurt so much because Riot made him really loveable in the first season

[@Nayy.yrocks]

@@error404willtolivenotfound3 fr:(

[@jaghatai_bulut]

Oh if only you knew how much he will change from the sweetheart you see here. Wait for the next one or two seasons.

[@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735]

@@pokimanefartcompilation Welcome to twitter. Pretty sure that's where the hate comes from.

[@rebonrjar]

Before arcane Viktor: JOIN THE GLORIOUS EVOLUTION Me: yeah yeah stfu robot boy After arcane VIKTOR: JOIN THE GLORIOUS EVOLUTION Me: yes my king

[@Nayy.yrocks]

FRR

[@FilthyGaijin]

The mutation must survive

[@luxianolee7497]

No because literally

[@sridevisudhahar309]

@@FilthyGaijin NO FOR REAL GO CYBOOORG

[@maphytaffy]

I was like "YES BABY LETS DESTROY THEM AND THEN IMPROVE THEM" "YES STEEL CAN FIX ALL THEIR FLAWS AHEHEHE HA" even before arcane LMFAOOOO

[@hanekawatsubasa1004]

Jayce's "No one in my life ever expected much of me" must have fucking hurt Viktor like he literally saved him from suicide

[@luckyflynt1646]

I guess he was looking for Caitlyns family, his former patrons who abandoned him after the trial, in the crowd when he said that

[@oumoumouk7376]

Yeah but he could have mentioned that one person did, and it changed him. Isn't hard to both give credit to viktor and show people that if you're trusted, you can do better, rather than saying "lololol praise me for doing all of that without anybody's help"

[@biazacha]

@@oumoumouk7376 is implied that they this talk many times and Viktor simply wants to change the world, not be in the spotlight. When it mattered, setting Zaun free from Piltover tyranny, Jayce had Viktor by his side and that’s what he cares about.

[@notaaronburr3177]

Agreed. Jayce could’ve easily said something along the lines of “Throughout my life, not many people expected anything even _resembling_ greatness from me. It got so disheartening to the point where I almost took my own life. Luckily, I met someone who gave me all the hope and support I needed, and together we…” and whatever else he was gonna say. Except Jayce didn’t do that.

[@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457]

@@notaaronburr3177 Who knows, maybe everybody already knows the story.

[@Dafreshcut]

I love what Riot did with Viktor and Jayce, because it basically foreshadows the relationship between Piltover and Zaun. Jayce (who is the representation of Piltover) lives a prosper, fulfilling, political life and Viktor (who is the representation of Zaun) lives a difficult, frustrating, sad, on the verge of death kind of life, while being overshadowed by Jayce (Piltover) when it comes to progress, although without Viktor (Zaun), Jayce would have never discovered the powers of the Hex crystals and he would have suicided.

[@moondruid1453]

Well, Piltover taking advantage the poverty of Zaun aliking Jayce taking help from Viktor. Its just parallel.

[@renan0004]

Wow! that was an amazing interpretation. i already liked jayce and vikctor as a whole, after that i started to like it even more.

[@praexis1]

Eh, Viktor doesn't really like the spotlight and it's clear Jayce does care for Viktor. He left Mel alone in bed after finding out Viktor was in critical condition, remember?

[@Dafreshcut]

@@praexis1 true but I wasn't talking about their relationship, I was talking about how each of them are reflecting the 2 regions. Jayce does care for Viktor, that's true, it's just that their lifes are opposite poles because it emphasises their representations for Piltover and Zaun

[@juniemunie2931]

​@@praexis1 its not that he just doesnt like the spotlight, from the line "not in front of all of them" has the underlying message that he damn well knows that piltover ppl will not accept a zaunite (a "crippled" and sick one as well) doing the progress day speech (one of the most important events in piltover?? and a zaunite does the speech??? the rich ppl would lose their nuts) he also knows that no matter any of his vital contributions to hex tech, they would not care. they are more than happy to ignore him and focus on the "piltover golden boy" who looks perfect to play as their mascot for "progress" he has told jayce that he wants to be more than just an assistant, but with the depressing situation he is in i doubt he will ever be seen as anything other than a zaunite scum.

[@pancakeprince3439]

I understood the symbolism they were going for, but it was still so JARRING to see the Jayce/Mel sex scenes alternating with the scenes of Viktor coughing up blood and collapsing. I had to look away from my screen a couple of times...it's hard seeing Viktor like this, while Jayce is living his best life.

[@gintarebaskeviciute5672]

oh 100%! Very jarring and... damn... it hurts.

[@vi_m_]

Oh same I was losing my mind when I first saw it going "wow this is...really what they're doing here huh? Really? Oh man..."

[@Theonepeaceisreel]

😭😭😭

[@xxstar-bluesxx]

That scene represents about how 'unfaithfulness', 'cheating', and 'abandonment' feels like. And it hits so hard because Viktor is going to betray Jayce after this.

[@vedpatil2353]

I think it’s supposed to be a parallel for how Viktor chooses to fraternize with technology over humans

[@Alaric11]

I wasn't expecting it, but Viktor really stole my heart.

[@Stephanie-oi7ez]

Saaaaammmme

[@fuinafeiraevoltei]

Same

[@noname_2265]

Yeah..-

[@mhikosale7233]

10/10 would definitely join the great evolution.

[@sseldnep6027]

I LOVE VIKTORRRR not sure why and Heimerdinger!

[@itsnotwhatyouthinkicanexpl2810]

Looks like Jayce really lost his viktory

[@Apoc33]

But jayce hammered Mel so....

[@Theonepeaceisreel]

😭😭

[@chautuquockhang3139]

@@Apoc33 And he'll be jayced down and punished by Viktor for his sins

[@trymeonforsize9343]

You're done. You're done. 😭

[@AllegoricSiren]

God damnit

[@motoka4797]

I love how before Arcane Viktor was one of most forgotten champions and now everybody love him

[@tacitozetticci9308]

I wish they kept forgetting about Mord's existence, but eventually they remembered and then proceeded to basically remove him from the game with that rework. But yeah that's also how I left LoL so maybe it's for the better. I can still enjoy the masterpiece Arcane is. And yeah Viktor is such a good character.

[@aradiamegido7040]

Bruh speak for yourself zaun fans were hoping this bitch up

[@klicksalt5120]

once again reminding myself that i know next to nothing about lol but adore arcane. oops

[@nekowhitestar]

I already liked Viktor before. But Arcane made me love him because it is a better view of the characters personality

[@Ningnomaningnong]

It's the pixels, bruh. I'd tap 'em.

[@patheticpuddle2696]

Jayce really fits the bi stereotype of either dating a beautiful woman or a man who looks like he on the verge of death (in this case Viktor IS on the verge of death)

[@chocomintbear]

He's just like me fr

[@ntbored7727]

He’s just living the bi dream while being a beautiful man himself.

[@lilithdarkspire9366]

He literally got the best of both worlds 😭

[@haydenberends3905]

It's cute how that assistant lady OBVIOUSLY has a thing for Viktor.

[@wynsonrao5177]

At this point we all do :')

[@JV-km9xk]

Too bad Viktor is too much of a sigma that she did the "I don't feel so good"

[@Circurose]

The Real Powder.

[@haydenberends3905]

@@Circurose OOF 😬

[@cupcakemcsparklebutt9051]

@@Circurose i dont get it

[@kitsunesuccubus]

reject Jayce simp Join the Glorious Evolution

[@lizzyleea]

Whos jayce

[@wornaton2294]

@@lizzyleea aint even gonna respond because of how stupid that question was

[@lizzyleea]

@@wornaton2294 i dont evem know who jayce is I only know glorious evolution

[@soksocks]

@@lizzyleea in the beginning of the vid, he's the guy holding the little blue marble, and the guy with the cane is Viktor. Simplest way of putting it because of how stupid this question is

[@Necronex]

@@soksocks man, it's a joke...

[@crei973]

viktor: a decade? bitch i'm dying i got 5 months tops

[@EijiAndAsh]

Jayce: Yeah he's got- wait what? no- Viktor: alright 2 weeks then, if you wanna challenge me

[@finnheisenheim8274]

Viktor's ultimate fate was teased so much with that prototype death ray he showed heimerdinger. All he needs to do is say "glorious evolution" and we got ourselves the machine herald

[@SSD_Penumbra]

The death ray hasn't been shown yet. You're refferring to Vik's e, which in the show is described as a "artificer's hex gauntlet".

[@soksocks]

@@SSD_Penumbra I think the guy is talking about the the arm laser at the beginning, like at 0:04

[@bxttercxp_swxxts]

​@@SSD_Penumbra It's the Hexclaw with the laser beam

[@pix_ie1142]

That scene with Jayce and Mel getting intimate with each other really feels like cheating even though Jayce and Viktor aren't dating. Like I actually felt the betrayal while watching that scene 💀 But then again that's probably the feeling the creators were going for.

[@aizen.v5777]

They apparently were going for Jayce choosing humanity while Viktor chose science. Failed epically guys. Though it also foreshadows the divorce.

[@BVBloom]

@@aizen.v5777 THAT'S what they were going for with that scene?? Yeah no; it felt much more like a love triangle with a hextech twist than any lofty philosophical dichotomy. I thought the feeling of sexual betrayal was intentional. Dang.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

HA THEY FAILED HARD

[@DilipKrJha-yb6nv]

@@BVBloom wtf noo

[@BVBloom]

@@DilipKrJha-yb6nv ....problem?

[@EchoBoomer1987]

I love how the most toxic fandom comes together to support a gay jungler and her cupcake marksmen girlfriend and hating on Jayce for "cheating" on Viktor.

[@Nixahma]

As a toxic fandom we know how to recognize our own kind and Jayce has bad vibes

[@raradinevali]

Jayce annoying anyway

[@limbo6973]

@@Nixahma jayce is worst them the majority of LoL players 😪

[@khaledal-asad5868]

Walter jr?

[@biazacha]

But no hate for Mel, she’s a freaking queen and can do better if she wants

[@TheRedCountess]

Jayce: No one in my life ever expected very much of me. Narrator: And on the left corner, we have Viktor throwing his cane against the wall and agressively punching the air.

[@pokimanefartcompilation]

To be fair, Viktor has only been in his life for a few years. Before that, Jayce was the only one who believed magic could be made with science

[@TheRedCountess]

@@pokimanefartcompilation Totally agree with you there. And rest assured. This is scenario is merely a joke. 👌

[@notaaronburr3177]

@@pokimanefartcompilation I mean true, it’s only been a few years but Viktor also saved him from suicide and within those few years they progressed hextech more than ever

[@pokimanefartcompilation]

@@notaaronburr3177 truly, brothers from another mother🙏

[@raspberrycrowns9494]

Bruh Jayce suddenly forgetting that he had patrons. Viktor didn't even have that

[@Akyre]

Viktor literally best boy eye- his and Jayce's relationship was actually so different in the original lore that the relationship they got now scares me cause ik Viktor's character lore ,in game, or in the shows future is 😬

[@Dafreshcut]

Can't blame him though. When you're stuck in a weak body your whole life, you're ready to do anything to feel powerful.

[@FriendlySwarmlord]

I may argue that Viktor is happier as the herald of machine he's helping people, improving lives and getting closer to his vision of progress day by day he is happier this way in my humble opinion at least

[@wonderboy5509]

@@Dafreshcut he actually never cared for power but gor humanity’s improvement

[@psy_99]

@@Dafreshcut That was never his goal. He just wants to help people and their transition to the glorious evolution has always been voluntary. He just looks like a scary villain so people assume he is.

[@Dafreshcut]

@@psy_99 true, but he also is aware of his weak body. Unlike flesh, machine and robotics don't become weaker. The glorious evolution is just a method of helping the poor and the weak ones from Zaun

[@psychiomoth]

The choice of parallelism between the scene where Viktor falls apart and Jayce is very well chosen. A lot can be learned from it. They obviously did it on purpose to compare two completely different scenes to be shocking. We can think that Jayce has fully chosen to be a council rather than being a man of discovery, he is now a symbol more than anything else. The previous scenes with Jayce show that he chose to lie and be in politics rather than being fair, at odds with what he was before and Viktor's beliefs. He chose Mel over Viktor. We can say that Viktor is killing himself by working representing the people of the undercity. While Jayce is running smoothly representing the people of Piltover. The cup placed in Viktor's place before the speech, crushing him, is a good representation of what is happening. Everything is a game of the most "deserving". Viktor is almost always relegated as an assistant, is nothing else even though Jayce gives him a more important role in his eyes. Jayce also chose to "protect" Piltover rather than helping the people of the undercity which Hextech was supposed to serve. All this will reinforce the feeling of rejection for Viktor. I would have more things to say as a student in animation. But a lot of shots can say a LOT of things just in a simple character position, camera position etc.

[@flyatnight-1812]

That's what I initially thought but after finishing the show, I don't think what you said has happened... yet. Because Jayce still clearly puts Victor first, in everything including the cup scene. He did ask Victor to go on stage only to be rejected, and he probably was too stressed to question Viktor's true feelings. But the scene that really made me change my mind is ironically the love scene/Viktor failing scene which you used to prove your point. The fact that Jayce left Mel to meet Viktor in hospital knowing that Mel would be pissed off suggests that Jayce still values Viktor over everything, which shows alot about his character. In fact as of now, Jayce has made more contributions to Undercity than Viktor, because he knows with his councellor position, there are things he really can do to help. Viktor keeps on saying, hextech needs to be used to improve lives but how? Maybe he is asking Jayce to forget about politics and fully focus on hextech which is possible. But Vi wearing the mining gloves is a dramatic irony as she is using a tool to cause violence. I think both Viktor and Jayce is right, and they perfectly balance each other out. Viktor listens to Jayce but more importantly, Jayce always listens to Viktor even though he doesn't have to. I personally like Jayce more also because even though he's just a scientist, he's more than that, a fighter, politician, friend, and although he might look like a "new face", he is incredibly intelligent as shown when Silco, as wise and veteran as you get, tries to manipulate Jayce but instead fails.

[@psychiomoth]

@@flyatnight-1812 Yes, after finishing the first season a lot has changed as much as the characters. What I "predicted" will surely happen, but not now. I could talk about it for hours, it's so interesting the way everything is presented. And yet, what we can say now may change as much in the following season. Parallelism is used a lot in this series. But this scene after Viktor collapsed, proves that yes, Jayce is a good friend since he leaves Mel to go to Viktor. Soon after, he returns to Mel like a lifeline, not knowing how to take the news of Viktor's impending death too much. The two characters Viktor and Mel are very important to Jayce. They form the two opposing poles which disturb Jayce. However, the sense of parallelism still works as a premise on the tension in the relationship between Jayce and Viktor. Rejection, not being understood like when Jayce declares a dam of the bridge between Piltover and Zaun because people in the undercity are dangerous and the difference between people above and below. Or when Mel offers to create weapons. Jayce is confused between his values, his role and his relationships. Jayce has more power than Viktor on how to help people in the undercity yes, he even proved it by forcing the council to approve the deal between him and Silko (a deal he won). But Viktor would like Jayce to come back to their hextech because he's dying so no one will be able to continue these advances? Viktor is an idealist I would say despite where he comes from. It's quite ironic to say to that he is very humanist and that he wants progress to help people, but on the one hand, he himself will become what is least "human" possible, a human-robot. The two characters are very well balanced yes. They both lost their values ​​after a while and they realize it after a huge sacrifice (Jayce a child and Viktor Skye). I would even say they work well with Mel. Mel who ends up finally rejecting her mother. Anything I could have said before may very well turn out to be false or true. I'm not in the head of the studio but it's quite amazing to see so much symbolism and so many small details. But I agree with you. Like the scene where Viktor starts running and catches up with a boat, a boat he had never been able to catch as a child.

[@flyatnight-1812]

@@psychiomoth I hope it does not happen though but it will probably be in vain xd. I don't play league but I know how deep and vast the league world is, and a series on league has the potential to really become one of the best universes of this century. If they just keep up what they're doing it would be easy to be the greatest, but the quality they're producing is almost impossible to stay consistent. Either way s1 arcane is a masterpiece xd.

[@psychiomoth]

@@flyatnight-1812 ahaha, I don't play LOL too (the community is really toxic like it or not. I had tried playing once when I was in high school, I got bullyed by a high level to the point where I rage quit). But like WOW, I like the universe and the Lore of the game. Between the cutscenes, the bonuses like comics, the additional informations on the characters and the universe ... it's quite impressive. So I know the future of the characters. I know the result, but I don't know how. Arcane is a really good show that can get people outside of the LOL community to watch. And it's quite possible that we are a second season but in 2023 it seems to me if I read correctly. In pre-production there is no longer the concept art to do for the regular characters as well as the chara design of the characters and buildings, they probably already have the script for the sequel and they already have the 3D models (except for Viktor sui will change a lot on chara level). So I guess it would go faster than 5 years of development. But even though I want a second season, I want it to be done right. although it takes longer. Or if not, end on it and tell yourself that it was a good series. :(

[@flowerpastries9380]

that scene is PURE ART

[@Sasha-ff5ce]

I love how this show has depicted the ignorance that comes with privilege, not even of malice but simply because these characters have never had to consider anything outside of their lives of comfort

[@acehealer4212]

Aaah, I know things are gonna end badly between them and I’m not emotionally ready for it. Please, I just want every character in this show to get along and be happy!

[@emanueleragno5616]

this isn't canon, so we can keep hoping that. we might get jinx go sane, viktor and jayce always being partners, and all that good shit. or we could get the stuff we have in lore

[@acehealer4212]

@@emanueleragno5616 Arcane isn’t canon to other League of Legends stories?

[@emanueleragno5616]

@@acehealer4212 nope, very similiar but slightly modified, especially how nice jayce appears to be here

[@acehealer4212]

@@emanueleragno5616 As far as I’m aware there hasn’t been any indication that Arcane isn’t canon. I mean of course some characters’ personalities are different. But that’s because it takes place in these characters’ pasts. They are growing and changing over the course of the story.

[@nickmotion]

@@emanueleragno5616 Jinx started off fairly sane and kind-hearted as well. Viktor started off as a nice guy trying to do good. It's the character development they're building. Jayce could become more arrogant with time. We might not get the final version of the champions we know from LoL by the end of this show (or this season at least), seeing as there's not enough time to complete Ekko's transformation as well as a few others.

[@LauraDKM]

see you all on ao3, folks

[@impskulls]

haha oh dear

[@mikulover493]

😭😭😭

[@lucylu184]

i'll be there

[@Noobmasterdp]

Already there

[@Cydianwood135]

Yes ✌️

[@aesthral]

viktor has become my favorite character i wanna use him in game

[@vi_m_]

do it he's fun

[@tacitozetticci9308]

zap

[@Keller_nz]

don't do it in ranked please

[@tinycharlie6694]

@@Keller_nz nah, they can if they want

[@momo-rt9ko]

I bought the bundle JUST for the icon. Never gonna use the skins. I hate him as a champ 😩

[@Nepty]

These videos always frame exactly what I was thinking while watching these scenes... especially the hex before sex one. I swear the framing had to be deliberate, it has such an alternate double meaning than "Jayce chose humanity and Viktor chose science" that I cannot believe that just overlooked it while making it

[@miss.mirana4061]

I honestly see this as more like : Wow look at jayce getting comfortable and smooth and spoiled meanwhile poor Viktor is struggling and dying trying to invinte a way to improve lives in his city and in the end it's jayce the one who got all the spotlight and glory and was considered a hero while Viktor was framed as a miniac villian , this scene in my opinion screams and prove that piltover really are basterds who leaves zaun to suffer and rot so that they live in privilege and comfort , no matter how much Riot might try to humanize piltover or jayce for that matter , I will NEVER change my mind about either of them #teamviktor #screwyoujayce #zunisrigh ...#justiceandfreedomforthebrackern

[@lill.2795]

It's actually different, Viktor is the one who chose humanity while Jayce got dragged in politics and love life

[@Nepty]

@@lill.2795 bro i wrote this before act 3 😭

[@serx4994]

My take on the sex scene is that while Jayce joins the human (and corrupt) part of Piltover represented by Mel, Viktor keeps in the science and technology side (fusing his blood with hextech) but with that he losses his humanity. This could be the start of Jayce and Viktor going against each other as enemies

[@SSD_Penumbra]

I don't think they're going to become enemies. I think they're gonna be like rival scientists, but not outwardly hostile.

[@SybilantSquid]

@@SSD_Penumbra How well do you know your League of Legends lore?

[@IBeMelissa]

@@SSD_Penumbra Sadly I think they are going to fight next season, as much as we hope it doesn't come down to that.

[@aradiamegido7040]

I just want this bitch to get recognition and respect fr

[@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964]

@@aradiamegido7040 which one

[@madeleinedartois4689]

Stop insulting Jayce. He didn't know what was happening to Viktor when he slept with Mel. He immediately ran by Viktor's side, leaving Mel's bed to take care of Viktor. He really is trying to improve humanity's life.

[@aradiamegido7040]

TRUE

[@nighthowl1649]

i think they're just joking? 😭 although to be fair at this point i don't know anymore

[@parisheidi3119]

I loved the part where Mel was upset that Jayce left her after and was giving him the cold shoulder, then Jayce comes in with "my best friend is literally dieing" and Mel's like "oh shit I'm in the wrong here"

[@carlybarly7817]

EXACTLY. he fucked up a couple times, but he's TRYING.

[@redwitch95]

@@parisheidi3119 yeah, I've seen a few people act like Mel didn't give a shit about Viktor, but she straight up tells Jayce to spend his time with him over her since he's literally dying

[@hopoffmydick9574]

Guys, you can defend Viktor without acting as if Jayce is this terrible human being. Viktor does nothing wrong, yes. Jayce fucks up a couple times, yes. But that doesn't make Jayce a bad person, he's a human who got pushed past his limits multiple times. Leave the poor man ALONE

[@dracomalfoy6503]

people like the most fucked characters yet despise jayce it's so hypocritical fr

[@orangeninja8022]

Right?! I don't get the Jayce hate. He makes some dumb mistakes, but that makes sense cuz he's a kid who wants to help people and is waaay out of his depth. Of course he's gonna stumble.

[@morrisoncore]

when i started Arcane, i adored Jayce. he seemed like the innocent guy with a heart of gold who didn't want to do anything but follow his dream, i guess. but, now after finishing it in a day, he pissed me off and i feel bad for Viktor. it was all so jarring to see Jay living his best life and Viktor suffering like he did. it was kind of cute to see how protective Jayce is tho.

[@poploli2660]

Wtf did jayce do? Victor chose not to tell him anything and as soon as he found out he even betrayed the professor just to have a chance at saving him.

[@somedudeintheinterweb8665]

@s yeah, jayce getting some unnecessary hate

[@kinaishere3698]

Jayce ends the show returning to his dreams tho??? He literally kicked out heimerdinger FOR VIKTOR????

[@TechnoArpan]

People really be hating Jayce for the stupidest reasons

[@thanh5703]

Watching Viktor and Jayce relationship now and remember their in game lore, is truely really hurt. Arcane maybe one of the best Prequel that have ever been made. And i am very longing for this week saturday, so i can finally replace the "maybe" to "is"

[@psy_99]

They changed the lore by a lot but the character traits are still the same. I wonder which version would be considered cannon

[@aalzien722]

@@psy_99 they didnt change the lore. This is a prequel. Characters are changing into their lore selves this is just their past versions.

[@theod4660]

@@aalzien722 They changed the lore. For example, Viktor was not heirmeidinger assistant

[@misi8882]

while one was "coming" the other one was leaving...

[@haydenberends3905]

Dude . . .

[@lill.2795]

How is this app free

[@asyncxeno]

@@lill.2795 it costs your soul

[@femto7579]

he was getting paid after hitting his grind

[@cookiesandmilk686]

Yall so creative 😭😭

[@years-ti7xl]

We know Viktor is the good guy here.

[@pokimanefartcompilation]

Viktor is pure hearted, Jinx is batshit evil, and Jayce is morally grey Imo

[@carlybarly7817]

Jayce isn't a bad guy???? He's incredibly morally gray, and even ends the show going over the council's head to right all his wrongs. Neither Jayce nor Viktor are bad people.

[@thebss791]

Jayce didn't either, but people decided to hate him for literally no reason.

[@pandoradrawsstuff3995]

Sky: “There’s always tomorrow right?” Viktor who is sick, crippled and dying: “…goodbye”

[@LazyCatIsFat]

To be fair to Heimer, yes, these sort of breakthroughs take a long time to perfect. It was practically impossible what these men did. BUT, on the other hand, Heimer wasn't going to understand, given he's hundreds of years old. Humans just don't live that long.

[@xiaoluvr363]

okay so yknow how like that fictional disease hanahaki involves coughing up blood and petals from unrequited love? Yeah, thats all i have to say

[@obedient_maiden_of_Albedo]

If someone writes a fanfic on this I quit.

[@bxttercxp_swxxts]

That's what my fanfic brain thought!!

[@jayep.6363]

I just finally understood why Jayce could afford to not work on their dream is because hes HEALTHY. This is literally LIFE OR DEATH for Viktor so he cant afford to rest. His time is limited so hextech MUST work, but whether to be able to live a long life or leave a good legacy. Viktor wants to leave his mark in the world by helping both zaunites and those of piltover with his tech.

[@onechaoticneutral3061]

I just realised but their first conversation in the show is when Viktor stops Jayce from killing himself, and one of their last conversations is when Jayce stops Viktor from killing himself. I'm gonna go cry now.

[@0mnom519]

Hiemerdinger literally doesn't know how human work "Give it a decade or two, and it'll be ready " Human don't live that long heimer that two decades are just a waste of time

[@schwefelfell7154]

also its hilarious how he tells someone who is literally dying that its only going to take a few decades lmfao

[@0mnom519]

@@schwefelfell7154 yeah,😂😂😂

[@femto7579]

a decade is 10 years

[@bcss9525]

He was right about it tho, regardless of Viktor.

[@nighthowl1649]

@@femto7579 I know what you mean but Viktor is a clear sick man who (regardless of lore we already know of course) wouldn't live a decade

[@byglossss]

Viktor's accent >>>>>>>>

[@byglossss]

@Dominik Rain when I first heard him speaking I was like "wow he's definitely russian". he has a strong accent but the way he talks is somehow addicting idk why Lol

[@shanajeangedeon9060]

Alternative Title: "Jayce being a questionable boyfriend"😆

[@b.bird.]

I didn't expect to love Viktor this much, my boy deserves so much better

[@tatertotsareprettygud]

Still cant get over the fact Jayce is banging a politician while Viktor is *literally dying*

[@maem7462]

3:27 “Two different kinds of fluids being spilled” I thought my joke abt possibly creating life in two different ways was funny but that one is even funnier

[@Nixahma]

notice how Viktor specifically said "Not in front of all of them" and with multiple stutters... time to project my social anxiety onto him!

[@ANGGELAful]

"With respect professor, IM FUCKING DIYING"

[@yggdrasil7453]

Watched this with my sister and she doesn't play league she always ask me if they're still gonna be friends.......based on league lore they ain't staying friends.

[@noemiguerra24]

The cut back and forth between viktor coughing and the scene was giving me the same energy as that one scene in Hannibal

[@houseinthesand]

THAT’S WHAT IT REMINDED ME OF. Thanks for the reminder, I’ll actually go rewatch that.

[@anotherguy7539]

This is like the Anakin and Obi Wan drama

[@edgyfish6936]

As a Star Wars fan, I would like this comment, but it's at 66 likes 😐

[@taegan.]

personally i think Viktor is gay for Jayce and was since the beginning, but Jayce was always either oblivious and friendly, or straight and didn’t care.

[@Mediados]

1:27 To be fair, Jayce didn't steal the spotlight, Viktor chose to stay unknown to focus on research.

[@Haz1Art]

Its not really about that. Its because hes an outsider. Hes just single a Zaun in a Piltover crowd. They wont acknowledge him.

[@Mediados]

@@carlybarly7817 If he just walked on stage he would have stolen it, but he asked Viktor to follow him. Jayce did not care about the crowd's opinion and Vintor wanted to stay back, so personally I don't see it as a bad action really. It diminishes Viktors contribution, but he doesn't seem to mind (yet), he is not a gloryseeker.

[@aizen.v5777]

@@Haz1Art Or maybe mans is just shy. Think of that? Either way, he didn't want to be up there. Leave him be and stop pushing narratives.

[@pigeonsyndrome2249]

I think the symbolism is about how Jayce is represented. Jayce's status as "man of progress" didn't initially contradict his and Viktor's ideals; Viktor knew he played an important role and felt like Jayce respected him as a partner, but was glad to let Jayce take the spotlight. When he says he doesn't want to be an assistant, it means he wants the power to pursue his own scientific goals, and his partnership with Jayce provides just that. At that point, their goals complement each other - Jayce needs Viktor's willingness to take risks, and Viktor needs a partner who respects him but takes over all the "peopling" he doesn't like to do However, it's Jayce's place in the spotlight that grants him political power. Viktor is content using the research to pursue his and Jayce's goals, but as Jayce gets deeper into the politics of Piltover he realizes he has to sacrifice their original intent in order to get on the Counsel's good side This shot isn't representative of Jayce's place in the spotlight covering up Viktor, but rather Jayce's political power getting in the way of Viktor's goals

[@Mediados]

@@pigeonsyndrome2249 Absolutely, but my comment refers to the title of the video. This scene is not really a "drama" per se because Viktor and Jayce don't have any conflict at the time.

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

I really like how you can have this really non-kid-like but also not bro-ey close friendship between these two guys without people being like “Oh that’s gay.”. You know the creators knew what they were doing, since they went a similar route with Cait and Vi and instead gave that relationship romantic undertones. I like to think of this as the Lord of the Rings effect, where you have these really intimate, close and trusting friendships between dudes and they don’t come off as gay for a second, which I think challenges male stereotypes in a healthy way.

[@claraale2685]

Ikr

[@allisongorman1199]

Idk why but it’s always the greasy insomniacs that are my comfort characters.

[@00xyres]

One of the saddest dynamic is the "i cant keep with you, so I'll find someone else" anyways this is my essay on why i love viktor-

[@Sofia-ge6wm]

At 3:37 when it clicked for me I actually started to cry, man I feel so bad for Viktor.

[@ittybittyrampagingcommittee]

Okay, we hating Jayce for cheating, yeah, _but the way he gets all protective around Vik?_ Can I get, like, 500 more of that, thanks.

[@rosethz2474]

Viktor is probably in my top favorite characters of Arcane, underrated but this is conveyed as even more heartbreaking in Act 2.

[@GAAARRRYYY]

I love how Jayce spent one night with Mel and instantly regretted it, so now he is overprotective of Viktor

[@AliceShinya]

i'm guessing next season we will be getting speech of the 'glorious revolution' i'm a bit scared they will totally f him up :(

[@bugrakaanaknc5218]

they are definitely going to totally fuck him up :")

[@202cardline]

I AM ALSO SCARED OF SEASON 2 FOR THE RECORD....THAT THEY'LL FUCK IT UP

[@certifiedhoodclassic9825]

same. he’s such a great character atm, i have a feeling they’re gonna screw him up in season 2.

[@blazingazir5174]

Victor is my favourite charecter from arcane

[@pedzad9528]

A breakthrough like that takes time Viktor Viktor:Easy for you to say you're fucking 300

[@weirqos]

"were partners" "no not in front of them" *dude's in the closet*

[@klicksalt5120]

it's the lingering look in 5:15 that gets me.

[@kaworuxx]

He always seemed so lonely, I wanna hug him and tell him it's gonna be alright

[@kennyy9485]

Viktor a man on a mission

[@toto.dreamer]

The whole segment where they’re cutting between jayce and Mel while viktor is dying had me gaping open mouthed at the screen. Like what the FUCK

[@Akyre]

next video for Vi M: viktor and jayce's relationship slowly falling apart for 5 minutes 😬😬😬

[@llaiza866]

Viktor nunca quiso estar en los reflectores y Jayce no se las negó, verdaderamente estos son buenos personajes

[@talhadolyn]

I shipped them so hard but when mel and jayce did the thing i was SHOOK

[@mightychondria666]

Shook like me when i was watching it with mah parents

[@Mamma_Jama]

Jayce: No one in my life expected very much of me Viktor: Bitch, what am I, a roach?

[@artemisvenom2282]

Viktor is literaly best boi- i can't main him in league bc i suck at it, but i can play ckemtech in tft and hopefully get him XD

[@YuKiiGP]

"Viktor you are different what happened?" Well, you know...IMMINENT DEATH

[@olivergarden9630]

3:31 my friend encouraged me to write my whole fucking essay on that one scene, and I am gonna do it

[@aethermeow]

how'd it go bestie?

[@parisheidi3119]

Share it

[@arlo8805]

HI I wanna see !

[@notme3603]

I don’t get why people throw hate on jayce He literally betray his mentor for the sake of his friend

[@Carols989]

professor herimemrmerdinger: in another decade or so viktor, gay, dying and Tired: bitch do I LOOK LIK-

[@regularjoe5517]

Okay, first of all, all the commentary, I love ur mind, second of all, at 3:25 during my first watch I saw it as kind of like… Jayce choosing Mel over Viktor by sleeping with her is literally ‘killing’ Viktor

[@tinykass]

Bro I cant believe Viktor's VA is the same guy who played Daenerys's brother in season one of GOT. The douche bag brother that got the golden crown treatment? Yup. THATS HIM.

[@orangeninja8022]

Dang that's crazy bro. My dude's got some talent!!!

[@mercury2576]

Riot: I have something you might like- Jayce! He is super ripped and confident and here he is without his shirt on! And here he fights with big ass hammer! Me: This is great but I really like this one *shows on Viktor* Riot:. . . He is literally dying bro

[@lechikken]

When Jayce and Mel started getting it on I literally yelled "JAYCE STOP CHEATING ON YOUR HUSBAND" at the TV.

[@criss.sparkle6919]

😭😭 me too

[@Hoshi_Hoshi_21]

I honestly thought they were hinting at romantic feelings between the two *and then I watched the rest of the episodes and can’t even think*

[@yeethot6275]

Deep down we're all unified by our collective simping over viktor

[@Jon-rg6ly]

The captions are killing me.

[@_logastellus]

The scenes changing between Viktor suffering and Jayce having the time of his life is so painful

[@chrs-wltrs]

I don't know if I ship them, but I get the impression that they love each other. Jayce is a fucking *wreck* when he learns about Viktor's illness.

[@iko20101]

yeah it is kind of like that was his best friend for the past couple of years and partner with hextech and jayce sees him as a literally brother and it is kind of his fault that he almost died

[@JV-km9xk]

Platonic love?

[@lill.2795]

I disagree,the way he describes Viktor doesn't match with the way he reacted to the news......I mean if someone was like a brother to me I'd be devastated to loose them

[@Rakshael]

Love being only understood in a romantic context is very one-dimensional. Caring deeply for a friend does not and should not automatically mean romantic interest.

[@kazugaofthespyral479]

Why do yall gotta ship everything, its so simple to see and its even EXLPICITLY said by jayce that he sees him as a brother. Theres litterally nothing romantic between them lol Theyre just great friends that share a passion. I know that kind of relationship cause I have a friend like that. But this video and people in the comments are weird af about it like why lol

[@biyankuya5735]

I would like to believe that Viktor is asexual, he never seem to show any attraction that way unlike Jayce, and him being so oblivious to sky's request is such an ace behaviour lol

[@parisheidi3119]

Yaasssss

[@paradoxismos]

so true!!!

[@ladyday4168]

I think he's demisexual tho

[@orangeninja8022]

It could also be that he's, you know, dying. Kinda hard to be thinking about sex when you're on the gallows

[@valzor2562]

the viktor and jayce/mel parallel was an amazing choice and im so glad they went for it

[@redllanterns7736]

the framing w/ the jayce/mel sex scene and viktor's work making it feel like viktor KNOWS what's happening. knows he's losing his loved one. knows he's losing himself and the dream he has. and the inevitability that he loses jayce further. the inevitability that they fall into disappointment and contempt with one another. the inevitability that this man, this best friend, possibly the first and only person viktor has ever loved... will never be his. that he's always going to be just out of reach.

[@flora_fauna9956]

1:04 did anyone notice the way he looked at him or no?

[@onion7068]

I did

[@_Lumiere_]

>POV you have no concept of male camaraderie

[@El-iw6xn]

5:15 as well 👀

[@nighthowl1649]

@@_Lumiere_ >pov: we don't care 🤷‍♂️

[@mightychondria666]

@@_Lumiere_ pov: we kid a lot

[@katterwaul6317]

i did in fact read all of the commentary i wanna cry i named viktor "pining grad student" for liveblogging to friends purposes the first time he ever showed up but i DIDN'T WANT TO BE RIGHT JAYCE GO GET UR BOY

[@vi_m_]

I appreciate u

[@chxyxmx7973]

in the sex scene i imagine the meme of: don't look Jayce, sex is temporary but the glorious evolution is forever

[@karmagaming2098]

I think the cuts between mel and viktor represent jayce decision to be either a good person,or the arrogant ingame, have at your side a person who is truly in love with you or someone who is just trying to use You (i think thats what mel doing) and being someone who help people more with action then appearing in public to show off or someone who just do things for benefit, and at some point in arcane viktor gonna move on without jayce as he always keep his indecision, well thats just my opinion

[@vi_m_]

yeah I think they're definitely trying to emphasise the genuine care viktor has for jayce (however you decide to interpret it) vs Mel using him for her own gain, and agreed, that viktor will move on and leave jayce with no one.. idk! We'll have to see

[@trucquynh3948]

i dont understand why Mel has such a bad reputation??? is it a lore thing or what, bc right now i havent noticed anything off with her. also at the heart of it, i believe Jayce and Viktor both want the same thing though they have chosen different paths.

[@stratosm3154]

@@trucquynh3948 It's just people being biased and confusing the lore with arcane. Jayce is supposed to be a big asshole in the lore and that's why people don't like him, although in arcane he is a very good character and even kicks Heimer of the council to help Viktor. Mel is also decent but the again people believe that jayce became the way he is in the lore because of her. All that adds up and since jayce and Viktor will become enemies and Viktor is kinda more likeable in arcane viewers choose one side and hate the other despite the fact that both are good characters and want the best for piltover. Idk if I explained it well but that's pretty much why jayce and Mel are being hated so much

[@iasminmarques3865]

@@trucquynh3948 Honestly, I think it is because she kind of "corrupted" him or at least put hIm in that way. And the way that, at the beginning, she only had interest in him for what he could do and what he had to offer (Although her feelings, apparently, changed)

[@IsaacHozz]

The real reason he didn’t walk with her is because for him, there may not be a tomorrow. I feel for Viktor.

[@turtleme4811]

Viktor stole my heart, but Jayce makes me so angry. He's living his best life while our best boi is suffering.

[@HopipC]

wow bro, u must be angry all the time then.

[@user-cv4ko9xk1h]

not rlly bro jayce is just living his life, and after viktor collapsed when he was yk with mel, it showed how guilty he was

[@Nobody-707]

The bridge scene is what hurt the most and the molotov(?)/fire thingy that one of them people threw really shows how their relationship is burning/falling apart

[@sarahwright5754]

For a lot of people they found the changing veiws between victor and jayce/mel to be jarring. I feel like it was to symbolize that it was a way to show the creation of life between both of them. Jayce is doing it naturally, while Victor was doing it scientifically. Both came out with greatly different paths, but both destroying their lives in a sense.

[@gameraider100]

I thought the same thing too, but the scene is still pretty weird 😅. I kind of wonder if there may have been a better way for Riot to do that scene.

[@sarahwright5754]

@@gameraider100 probably, maybe in a different sense showing them (Jace and mel) growing closer while Victor is growing closer to the hex tec while distancing himself from the one interest he had in the show. They kinda did. But it felt rushed to me.

[@soksocks]

Knowing how characters will end up already just from in-game lore, even though it might be changed or tweaked a bit. I'm still looking forward to how they do it in animation, I definitely looking forward to Viktor's since he was really the one that interested me with his development. Everyone else I still can get behind of, but as I said. I know pretty much the lore of the characters they've shown. Just don't know if they'll change it or tweak it to fit better entirely

[@connyaaaa5555]

“Jayce was coming while Viktor was leaving” was something I saw on tiktok and it;s very fitting

[@kammieceleek5113]

I knew nothing about League, Jayce, and Viktor prior to Arcane and I kept chanting Science Husbands while watching up until episode 5

[@nim777yt7]

In 4:50 Heimmerdinger saw what Jayce and Viktor couldn't. He knew the hexcore was consuming Viktor because he is now connected to it (because of the blood). He was really worried and they didn't listen to him.

[@Fionacle]

I screamed every time Jace left Viktor alone because NOOOOOOO EVERY TIME HES LEFT ALONE HE ALMOST DIES HE CANT BE TRUSTED ON HIS OWN COME B A C K

[@Hosigie]

Viktor is so cute I can't

[@gwenethp511]

Maybe if Jayce just gave Viktor a little smooch he wouldn't become evil

[@vebz_6872]

Maybe more than a little smooch perhaps 😳

[@gwenethp511]

@VeBz_ personally I don't ship them romantically since I don't think their relationship could evolve into it due to their personalities and core values, but you are valid.