Why Is Our Society Attracted To Narcissism?

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@jamesjohnson5341 Ай бұрын

You are a great raconteur Keven....as I have stated before. You can certainly hold an audience....a true orator! Very interesting topic and well presented. Thank you Keven. James ❤

@KevenTalks Ай бұрын

Thank you James!! 🙏

@paranormal9814 Ай бұрын

She's not someone I think of often. Im glad she put her life back together after all her problems e.g. jail. Gays can take lessons from her

@grantponciano9386 26 күн бұрын

I wonder if the higher value American culture places on individualism (for better or for worse) acts like a garden for narcissism to more likely develop.

@KevenTalks 26 күн бұрын

100%! I've wondered the same thing.

@davidwoodford1814 Ай бұрын

Interesting parallels. I’m removing of Shakespeare’s Richard lll. Read it again or see Ian McCallum’s version. Lots of interesting parallels.

@Pat7629 Ай бұрын

The truth is most major CEOs and business owners of huge corporations are shrewd business people. They are generally not warm and fuzzy people smiling all day long. Regarding Donald Trump, people can't seem to separate his directness and temperment with his ability to run a business. The two are mutually exclusive. The guy is a billionaire and knows how to make deals and run a business well clearly.

@alexanderpons9246 Ай бұрын

Good analysis Keven and it seems as you did stayed objective looking at it all! By the way see if you can fetch the movie or docuseries(not sure) that was done when Martha Stewart went to jail and Cybil Shepard played her, it will be interesting to see how that was played compared to the Netflix version. I must say Keven that unfortunately what ends up happening is that because of economical gain or fame many people all around the narcissist enables them in order for them all to profit so to me they are as fault too. P.S. I looked it up, it was a TV Movie called Martha Inc. starring Cybil Shepard as Martha Stewart and it was televised in 2003.

@SABOREAME68 Ай бұрын

⭐⭐⭐⭐ Narcissists often project an aura of confidence, charisma, and charm, which can be alluring to many, that don't own that charisma; or are delusional.

@alexwallace6120 Ай бұрын

Yes. Martha Stewart did live in my home state of Ct. I don't where. Ct is a small new England st, with suburbs, and country and even the Shore(Ocean). Most of it is wealthy, as some people work in Manhattan(NYC) and live in CT. But also ,our 3 major cities that are not beautiful and filled with poverty and crime. Martha is a narcist, and has built a major empire of cooking and entertaining. She guilty of that stock trading stuff. I like some her videos on cooking yet I do not place her up on a pedestal. Trump is a narcissist and demented and a convicted criminal who is to be our next president.

@luminiferous1960 Ай бұрын

I always enjoy your insights on the topics you discuss. The parallels you drew between Martha Stewart and other narcissistic personalities like Trump and Michael Jackson are interesting and quite accurate. I agree that their narcissism is a defense mechanism to overcome their deep seated insecurities and feelings of inferiority by outwardly projecting supreme confidence, superiority and complete lack of insecurities to the point that they not only delude others, but ultimately delude themselves. I believe that many of the die-hard supporters of these narcissists are plagued by insecurities and feelings of inferiority similar to those that the narcissist is hiding, and see the surface confidence and superiority of the narcissists as how they would like to be, but have not been successful in achieving themselves. They believe that by seeing the narcissist as a role model and giving them total unconditional support as a follower, they can share in some measure in the narcissist's accomplishments and superiority. They essentially worship the narcissist as their savior. One never wants to acknowledge that one's golden idol has feet of clay. Hence their vociferous anger at and denial of any accusations that their idol has any flaws or has done something wrong. Any accusations against their idol are seen as personal accusations against themselves because their very identity and world view are totally invested in the purported superiority of their idol and the idol's mission. I'll end with a personal observation about Martha Stewart. When she started to become famous for her homemaking TV show, I always thought of her as a case of life imitating art because I always thought of her as having modeled herself after a more sophisticated version of the character Sue Ann Nivens, the hostess of The Happy Homemaker show, played by Betty White on the Mary Tyler Moore Show in the early '70s. The character Sue Ann Nivens was a two-faced narcissist who presented herself as a sweet and practically perfect homemaking expert who could handle any situation with effortless grace and a smile, which was a sharp contrast to her competitive, backbiting, prickly, sarcastic and sexually voracious true nature that those who worked with her saw behind the cameras. You can't tell me that this description of the character Sue Ann Nivens and her The Happy Homemaker show from the Wikipedia doesn't sound like their talking about the TV show Martha Stewart Living: The program delivers cooking and decorating advice to housewives, often on ludicrous theme shows such as "A Salute to Fruit" and "What's All This Fuss About Famine?". She is a perfectionist, remarking in a season four episode titled "The Dinner Party" that she'd rather flush her Veal Prince Orloff down a toilet than serve it reheated. Sue Ann is full of helpful hints for all occasions and always ready to make lemons into lemonade; for instance, she suggests buying colorful, happy goldfish as companions for the infirm and then, when the goldfish die, using them as houseplant fertilizer. Although Sue Ann Nivens presents an image of sweetness and perfection onscreen, she is actually sardonic, man-obsessed, and very competitive. 😆

@KevenTalks Ай бұрын

The goldfish idea is hilarious! Genius. Speaking of life imitating art, there's also an element of art imitating life with Martha - it wasn't until making this video that I realized Bree from Desperate Housewives HAD to have been modeled after Martha Stewart. Bree plays the role of the perfect housewife next door, so perfect that she's actually flawed in her inability to be vulnerable and authentic. At one point she creates a catering business that becomes wildly successful, just as it happened with Martha... Anyway, thanks for watching as always and for your insightful commentary!

@luminiferous1960 Ай бұрын

@@KevenTalks Yes, when I watched Desperate Housewives I always thought Bree was modeled after Martha Stewart, and not in a flattering way. Have you ever seen the SNL parodies of Martha Stewart played by Ana Gasteyer? They're hilarious.

@KevenTalks Ай бұрын

@@luminiferous1960 I have not! I gotta look it up lol

@kmarie7051 Ай бұрын

I think society doesn't take pathological narcissism seriously and much of what people believe they know about narcissism is incorrect as well. For example many people still think that it's all grandiose or it's vanity and taking selfies. Not everyone who's vain or takes selfies is a narcissist and many narcissists do no come across this way. They can be covert, vulnerable, insecure, shy and introverted. People with high levels of narcissism have been found in studies to be more likely to engage in virtuous victimhood, what is known as "virtue signaling" and "victim signaling." These type of narcissists can in some ways be more dangerous and do a lot more damage because they are far less obvious and are more passive aggressive and Insidious . They often control and manipulate through guilt and neediness, or by claiming constantly hurt feelings. Part of the issue is that narcissistic people are so good at mimicry and imitation they are able to come across as less unhealthy than they really are, for a time at least. A big part of the problem also is that unless narcissistic behavior is very blatant people often don't recognize it and much of it is normalized to a certain degree as well. We see it on movies, sitcoms and in TV shows all the time and though it's not usually present it as "normal behavior" per se, it's not always presented as harmful either. On the contrary it's often presented humorously and so we laugh. We laugh at the guy or the girl who has out of control emotions. We laugh at the person who makes ridiculously selfish statements or believes totally delusional things. Anyone who has ever dealt with someone that acts like this for real understands that it's not funny at all. It's at the very least frustrating and upsetting and at the very most horrible and even traumatizing, it's abusive. Unfortunately unless people have a specific reason most of them don't look at what something might mean or that it could be an indicator of something else. This is why people who are dealing with narcissists often hear things like "oh that's just how men are" or "that's just how women are" or "well that person's just insecure" or "they're just full of themselves".. narcissistic behavior is often viewed as something that's not a big deal and not as something that could have deeper harmful or more far-reaching implications People dealing with narcissists can find themselves endlessly frustrated when trying to communicate what's going on to others because people either just don't understand or perhaps they believe they have an understanding of what's happening when in actuality they don't. They don't understand how narcissism manifests and because of that they often don't see it even when it's right in front of them. For example the person who calls people out so they can look better by comparison. The person who makes everything about themselves no matter what. The person who won't take no for an answer. The person who is unnecessarily combative or negative or believes they're a victim all the time and on and on and on. there are a hundred different ways this can show up and some of them are very subtle and even when they're not many people still don't see them for what they are. Sadly it's often the case that even when people do see these things for what they are they still don't understand the danger that can be present and the harm this kind of person might cause. It's very difficult for people to understand the damage that can be inflicted if they they don't realize there's any danger. I mean good for them in that they've never had to learn that, but it doesn't help with how frustrating this can be. Another part of the problem is that so many people just don't have a good understanding of boundaries, responsibility,accountability of agency of what constitutes selfish egocentric behavior and many other important things they don't have a good understanding of what is or is not okay. That makes it difficult to accurately read red flags for toxic or harmful behavior in other people. We see this lack of understanding reflected in our media, movies, TV shows and songsthat are full of toxic relationships.. love bombing, boundary violations and even abuse that is not presented called out or even recognized as harmful unless it's very blatant. On the contrary it is often presented as humorous or even worse desirable as a goal of some kind or something to be aspired to. Media often presents false narratives regarding relay relationships in general and specifically behavior in relationships. The guy who love bombs and endlessly pursues and violates boundaries gets the girl in the end when she sees that his love alone is true. The woman who puts up with abuse and cheating gets the guy in the end who is now totally reformed because her love changed him into a brand new man. The abusive mother apologizes and the relationship is miraculously mended because she not only admits everything she's done but is now transformed and absolved of this terrible Behavior after one heartfelt conversation. Obviously none of these situations are realistic in any way.. part of that is the attraction of media. It's fantasy but it needs to be counterbalanced with reality. People who are not taught by parents about boundaries and other important things have to try to learn these things from society.. but Society is of course full of people who also were not taught. The end result is a lot of people walking around in the world who don't really understand yet what healthy Behavior looks like. It's very easy to become entangled with an unhealthy person when you legitimately do not realize how unhealthy they actually are. You find out of course, but often by then damage is already done. Once we genuinely become more educated about healthy interactions and relationships what we generally find is that the narcissist in our lives was actually not all that good at pretending to be healthy, we just didn't realize it because we didn't have a good understanding of what healthy really looks like or what some of these behaviors can actually mean. Once we do know that we usually see that the narcissistic personality is pretty obviously toxic and unhealthy and that it was visible in some ways right from the very beginning.. we just didn't know what to look for or what we were looking at. People who often suffer narcissistic abuse are often hidden victims and they sometimes don't even realise they are being abused. And the ones who tell are often not believed. Narcissistic abuse is insidious. The court systems, schools, works places enviroments, even dr's and therapists to often simply do not understand what they are looking at. "oh bob can't be a narcissist look at how he shows those pictures of his kids to everyone" or " suzie can't be a narcissist she doesn't talk about her looks at all". For those who do not understand the abuse they are experiencing, the misuse of the word “narcissist” and the mischaracterization of what a narcissist is can lead them to incorrect conclusions about what they are dealing with. If narcissists are people who are arrogant and vain but their abuser is not, they may believe they are not experiencing narcissistic abuse. The failure to realize this can keep people in the relationship much longer than they perhaps would be if they understood the reality of the situation. Narcissists are able to believably project an entirely different image of themselves to the public. Victims are continually confronted with the fact that even people who know the abuser don't believe them. It is made even worse when public perception is that a narcissist is something other than what their abuser appears to be. This can be very frustrating for victims who might not be believed or taken seriously by some people.. In the end there is no way to make other people take something seriously if they don't have any experience through which to understand the seriousness of the thing. Some people not believing you or not understanding can be frustrating or hurtful, but it has no effect on reality at all. What matters is that you understand what happened and that you can validate yourself. We got to get off the external validation roller coaster. Wanting to be validated by others is normal but it should never never take the place of or be more important than validating yourself. You don't need other people to agree with you in order to be okay your opinion is the only one that matters here and that is the objective reality of this situation.

@OLDS98 Ай бұрын

You started out slow, but it got on quickly track and it built up and it was interesting. The gay community has a lot of people in community with this type of personality. People get drawn to this type of thing sadly. Yes, Mr. Trump is the same way and he is doing it again right now. A lot of people fell for it and were drawn to it. Not getting political here. I am just sharing.