Villains that ALMOST Made it into Sam Raimi's 'Spider-Man' Films

[@RonnyPugs]

I didn’t include this in the video because I want you guys to give the original source recognition. Recently @WilliamD1123 shared some never-before seen Vulture and Venom concept art for ‘Spider-Man 3’. Check it out! bit.ly/2tWcihU

[@luckedoutgoat5926]

Ronny Pugs this video makes me want to Spiderman two suit in the even more

[@srstriker6420]

Ronny Pugs I always thought Hobgoblin would have appeared because there was a golden goblin mask in spider man 3

[@srstriker6420]

Ronny Pugs 7:01 is electro a robot?

[@thewlf-man4191]

The lizard would’ve been a scary villain in Spider-Man 4 if it wasn’t cancelled because Sam Raimi is a horror Director and he made that scene where Dock Ock kills those doctors at the hospital and it looked like something out a horror film.

[@dariusjones2807]

I just realized that

[@megatron9183]

@@dariusjones2807 he directs evil dead

[@klasports8801]

also the original goblin design looked scary but got scraped

[@BayHarbo]

Lizard wasn’t gonna be in spider-man 4

[@xdlolfam2713]

Would've likely been in a Spider-Man 5.

[@nicholasbique4361]

It would’ve been a great idea to reveal that Bruce Campbell was the Chameleon the whole time watching Peter Parker, explaining why he keeps running into Peter as different people around New York.

[@TheAmazingLucas]

The Raimi Army never retreats, never surrenders

[@Rj-dw6lr]

@@CC-zw9ku that's what a virgin would say🤡🤡

[@jimbeam2299]

@@CC-zw9ku we were in your momma though

[@Ice-tc5vn]

You're always the first to surrender Mucus.

[@roughsketch_07]

CONTROVERSIAL OPINION ALERT!! I think Spider-Man 3 was really good for the hand it was dealt. Since the movie was always going to deal with forgiveness, I think the symbyote was critical in teaching spider to forgive himself, to later forgive Sand Man and Harry, then move on

[@JisatsuArchives]

I don’t think people really had an issue with the symbiote being in the film, it’s more so the forced inclusion of venom himself

[@JisatsuArchives]

@@kingbasti23 It would have been pretty cool if there was a cliffhanger at the end of the symbiote attaching to Eddie. They should have saved him a future film. I know the director didnt even want venom in it in the first place

[@75JUNAKI]

Spider-Man 4 side villains or villains that would've gotten quick cameos in the beginning being beaten by Spider-Man - Shocker - Rhino - Prawler - Mysterio

[@thestealthspider1523]

I love this idea but I also would’ve been a little upset seeing some of my favorite villains like Rhino be taken down in one second like jokes💯

[@chaddaddywarden4349]

@@thestealthspider1523 yeah, dunno why everyone gives that concept so much praise when it would've just reduced some pretty major villains into 2 second comedy relief

[@commanderzavala9328]

@@chaddaddywarden4349 Mostly cause Shocker, Mysterio, and Prowler were never major characters. Also Mysterio was gonna be played by Bruce Campbell so there's that.

[@jaydenjones1374]

And scorpion

[@l.pricetag.5207]

@@jaydenjones1374 was Scorpion going to be there too? Where does it say that?

[@saul_salty]

the raimi design for electro is the best way to portray the character in my opinion. A modern and more sci-fi-accurate take on the goofy costume seen in comics. I couldn't get over the fact that they chose a similar design in Spectacular Spider-Man

[@viciousbane569]

My favorites Spider-Man villains that don’t get appreciate that much is the lizard, electro, vulture, mysterio, rhino, and scorpion

[@roger9592]

Well vulture and mysterio have now been put into two films as the main villains but I agree with the rest

[@ventsslmao]

Breaks my heart that Spider-Man 4 didn’t become a thing.

[@Protocol36]

I love learning more and more about The Sam Raimi Spider-man movies. Thanks to you Ronny you always make it entertaining :D

[@RonnyPugs]

Thanks, Medz.

[@MrCwazie]

I agree. It is very intersting and makes me love this series so much more.

[@amayaamaya4176]

3:09 that design is actually for Spider-Man 4 3:20 is for Spider-Man 2

[@mrmay7775]

I have a theory that the vulture design we see in spider-man web of shadows was a simler look that he would of had in Spider-man 4.

[@RonnyPugs]

The wings for sure.

[@Smee319]

I have always wanted to be able to read a draft of the script for Spider-man 2 that had Black Cat and Lizard in it. At least to see if it was as bloated as Spider-man 3. It feels like the filmmakers went against their own better judgment on the third movie.

[@ar-fables4431]

Sony's fault R only wanted Sandman in the film, thats it

[@jedimasteroptimusprime4375]

@@ar-fables4431 Sandman, Harry and the Vulture, never wanted venom

[@UndeadNerdT800]

Mysterio vulture lizard and black cat where gonna be in spider man 4

[@ranmasaotome2161]

The vulturess was actually just a rumor from someone else. Sam Raimi said that Felicia would be Black Cat in Spider-Man 4.

[@bat2000]

I hope the spiderman 4 fan film 2020 one will use the concept art of Sam rami spiderman 4.

[@TheOneGuyUKnow]

bat 2000 not gonna lie bro I can already see that film being a let down the producers of that are extra quiet about that and have shown little of their work. Cool fans but I wouldn’t get my hopes up about it

[@NirvanaLiveTonight-]

Lit/Lit they could be busy with the film.

[@Nova-fh2et]

@@TheOneGuyUKnow what is wrong with you?

[@TheOneGuyUKnow]

@@Nova-fh2et what do you mean

[@TheOneGuyUKnow]

@@NirvanaLiveTonight- maybe

[@Pyro-wx4gb]

I would have loved to see a version of Electro created by Raimi but what made me dream the most at the time was to imagine a confrontation between the Scorpion and the Spiderman of Raimi.

[@75JUNAKI]

6:56 this reminds me of Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon Electro

[@therealsupersam6800]

The would be Vulture story in Spider-Man 3. Would have been awesome. I don't know if this is a real unused villian desighn. But there was the Hobgoblin mask. The silver one seen in Spider-Man 3. For a future movie. And I remember Electro being very influenced to be in Spider-Man 5, those designs could have been for that movie. If ever made.

[@RonnyPugs]

I heard rumors that Harry Osborn was originally going to be the Hobgoblin. Can’t confirm it though.

[@srstriker6420]

Ronny Pugs what about Roderick Kingsley?

[@yungblade7]

@@srstriker6420 rodrick Kingsley would buy Normans old home and fire Bernard And then eventually find the goblin lair

[@srstriker6420]

OnlyMyOpinion • which I did that idea to TheEntity’sLair

[@MovieEnforcer]

Spider-Man 1 (2002) was originally going to have two villains. Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) as the main antagonist just like the final product and Doctor Octopus as the secondary antagonist.

[@TopicomEnt]

How they would've done the villains in the last 3 Spiderman films. Spiderman 4: Vulture & Vultress/Black Cat. Spiderman:5 Electro, maybe Kraven. Spiderman:6 the finale of the Raimi Series to end it with the Lizard as the strongest Villain of them all.

[@GreenGobi]

TOPICOM Entertainment lizard is good but not goblin/doc Ock/venom type

[@xmanthelegendarysomething1567]

Why not mysterio for Spiderman 6?

[@RagingBlazeBloodBaka]

@@xmanthelegendarysomething1567 because in spider man 4 storyboard mysterio was shown getting arrested

[@xmanthelegendarysomething1567]

@@RagingBlazeBloodBaka but wasn’t that like a concept idea?

[@AskinNukkLeVarr]

@@xmanthelegendarysomething1567 ...

[@amayaamaya4176]

I would have loved to see Spider-Man 1 with Green Goblin and Doc Ock (Rumors at the time said Kelsey Grammar was going to play Doc Ock) Spider-Man 2 with Doc Ock, The Lizard and Black Cat (Rumors said Jessica Biel was going to play Black Cat) Spider-Man 3 With Sandman, Vulture and New Goblin (Ben Kingsley would have been a great Vulture)

[@fatewillarrive]

@Paraone Ngatai dr.connors is lizard we almost got him

[@amayaamaya4176]

6:49 Electro was only going to get toys and possibly the Video Games never supposed to appear in Spider-Man 4

[@MrDitkovich]

Avi Arad you slime!

[@notspider-man7777]

You'll get your rent when you fix this DAMN DOOR!

[@scottbroomhall6958]

I want Carnage!, and Mystero with his creepy Bobble glass head! But mostly Carnage!

[@SpideyFanProductions]

I wonder how different the 1st film would be if Doc Ock was in it.... 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@daleanmonster4218]

I would love to see the lizard design maybe in the mcu taking inspiration from this

[@GreenGobi]

SANIC Hedgehog lizard is underrated

[@MajorTom14-u7j]

Hate to burst your bubble bro

[@Ryderboycolor9]

The Vulture would have been fucking Awsome i would of loved him in Spider-Man 4

[@ChimichangoBoom]

That Mysterio Design of the toy is from The Spider-Man 2 game, their version of Mysterio not the studio one unless it was the plan and that's why they made a figure

[@TheKrayKrayGamer]

I would have loved to see that lizard. honestly, I hate the lizard design from TASM.

[@spiderverse7361]

Same thing

[@SamuelG2000]

I agree, he looked too much like the gomba's from Super Mario Bros. The Movie. The body of the character is fine, but face just wasn't right.

[@marko-gj1uj]

Both don't show penis,balls,butthole,nippled and bellytubby excluding ears

[@AliAhmad-fn3tn]

Yeah me too

[@amayaamaya4176]

If Spider-Man 4 wasn't cancelled we would have seen him

[@zillauniverse7208]

4:41 Wow like I already know that vulture was originally going to be the villain in Spiderman 3 instead of Venom but didn't knew that they already made the wings for the character

[@kadenmorris-rose7033]

The Lizard Wouild Be Good In Spiderman 4

[@jacobalexanderrorick6398]

Well, there was a old Green Goblin design.

[@Christopher-jp5zo]

I wish Spider-Man 3 stuck with the Sandman and Vulture

[@flamegamer3424]

If Vulture was in Spider-Man 3, that would’ve been a better film. And speaking of the Lizard, today is the 6th anniversary of The Amazing Spider-Man film 🎉

[@RonnyPugs]

Can’t believe it’s been six years.

[@GreenGobi]

Ronny Pugs yea can’t believe we went through 2 reboots

[@iceywavies]

@@RonnyPugs Now 10

[@omarhabrawi4156]

Vulture did appear in the Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man 2 movie games though

[@cartitheplotagon]

@@RonnyPugs do you think Spiderman would of died in Spiderman 4?

[@JohnHelldiver88]

I actually have a book that goes deep into the making of Spider-Man 2 and it has a lot of major concept art

[@theparrishshow9803]

I feel like Sam Raimi should’ve put Carnage in at least one of the movies because Sam Raimi is a horror expert and considering how violent and terrifying the character of Carnage is I believe he would’ve had a lot of fun writing and designing Cletus Kassidy

[@eliasmejia7862]

I feel like if they didn’t rush Venmo’s we could have gotten something like that

[@comboking-wt2ui]

@@eliasmejia7862 i highly doudt considering sam rami didn't like the idea of venom which is why he was so against putting him in the third movie but the producers wanted him to since venom at the time was really popular so i dont think he would had put carnage in and even if he was able to do more movies with spider man after the third movie considering how people recieved it he probaly wont do a single thing with venom or carnage or any symbiote.

[@therealsupersam6800]

Congratulations on 800 Subscribers!

[@maxwellgates2202]

Dang! That Electro one was awesome! But uh, there was a reveal for the op scene in Spider-Man 4 where Spidey takes down foes such as Shocker and Rhino!

[@michaelmorales1475]

I also want to mention that Felicia Hardy (7:24) looks like Angelina Jolie.

[@shaunbang]

I’m just thankful for Marvel and Sony willing to work together to give us the trilogy especially No Way Home which is basically a sequel/finale to every single Spider-Man we’ve ever seen on the big screen. Homecoming basically making up for the vulture being cut for what we got in Spider-Man 3, far from home giving us what raimi was building up to with mysterio with Ash cameoing in all three raimi films then no way home completely redeeming Andrews Spider-Man along with Electro. Just so thankful to be treated so well as a fan who grew up with raimis Spider-Man then disappointed in amazing Spider-Man but absolutely loving the second suit while also feeling bad for Andrew as he is such an amazing actor which he’s proven after the Spider-Man films but then being alive to see Sony play nice with marvel to give us the MCU Spider-Man teaming up with the avengers and now with the previous spidermen.

[@tapinewoods3937]

I still wait for the Vulture to fight Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man

[@lumo5515]

If the 4th film's antagonist would be the lizard then the movie games would get messed up since the 3rd game had the lizard alread

[@michaelmorales1475]

Did you ever cover Cancelled Spider-Man Movies?

[@RonnyPugs]

I might.

[@DJcosmoanddee]

the question is if the original vision was to have green goblin and doctor octopus in the first film, black cat and lizard where going to be in the second and vulture and sandman where going to be in the third film. then who would be the villains in spider - man 4?

[@lucaskauan5991]

Could be Venom

[@AliAhmad-fn3tn]

If Vulture was a villain in Spider-Man 3 instead of Venom, Ben Kingsley would look like the Vulture from the comics than the stupid Spider-Man Homecoming one

[@jeremyt3420]

Ronny pugs I love your videos about the Sam rami suits and concept art for the movies ,I really like the Alex Ross suit and the other concepts for the first movie

[@Dutch_van_der_linde939]

From what I know, lizard would have been the villain of spider man 5. And they would’ve filmed spider man 5 and 6 back-to-back and spider man 6 was gonna be the final movie but no details are known about spider man 6

[@arxfyedits8367]

The lizards design sucked im so glad it never happened but the mark Webb's design is really good

[@amayaamaya4176]

Wasn't there Concept Art for the Cameo Spider-Man 4 Villains like Shocker, Prowler, Rhino and Possibly Stilt-Man

[@RonnyPugs]

There are story boards. This was released prior I believe.

[@stupendousdudeman]

congrats on 800 subs!

[@RonnyPugs]

Thank you.

[@austinpaschal4645]

Congratulations on 800, so close to 1000 🎈 🎉. I had no idea about these villains being in the movies. Will you do a livestream tomorrow and what game?

[@RonnyPugs]

I probably can't stream until Monday, and we're continuing TASM.

[@austinpaschal4645]

Ronny Pugs ok, thank you. I didn’t know if you were gonna continue the ultimate spider man token thing

[@AwesomeBlox044]

in spiderman 3 you can see a guy with the shockers top but the gloves were cut of so may bye spiderman beat Shocker off screen and that why he was in the game

[@steamedhams9946]

Some people found a beta of the cancelled video game which had concept art of Vulture, Vermin, and I think the Rhino. I don't know if it's legit or not though because the plot of the game sounds different to the movie

[@RonnyPugs]

I have videos on it.

[@steamedhams9946]

@@RonnyPugs Cool I'll check them out!

[@manofsteelgoodmanll7925]

That would have been a surprise if some of the characters were to join the franchise moments here.

[@theunkillablecat8458]

i don't think the Spider-man 2 Game's black cat design would've been in Spider-man 4 because it's too much for kids

[@supercoollink1228]

I swear If I could id travel the multiverse just to look for spiderman 4 and maybe spiderman 5

[@skxlter5747]

Least we know that the raimi universe is part of the spider verse annnd thats enough 🙂

[@nathanthesubzeromangold4615]

Rhino Carnage and Venom Kraven the Hunter Michael morbius

[@venomouschannel7218]

Great video I would’ve loved if they did do Lizard in Raimi’s movies

[@TheLegendCG]

1st this channel is great does anyone else wonder what Sam raimi suit would look like with black webbing on the suit?

[@davidr7743]

Wait so a design for hasbro so maybe hasbro has some old papers and prototypes of Spider-Man 4 toys

[@RonnyPugs]

Possibly.

[@davidr7743]

Ronny Pugs il do some research to see if there is

[@RonnyPugs]

@@davidr7743 If you find anything let me know!

[@mrvaporiz]

I like how in some concept artbof Vulture they look to follow the same design philosophy as Doctor Octopus; *Rustic and menacing*

[@vintageproductions3197]

Ok are we gonna talk about the head of the lizard like the body is fine But why does the head look like my sleep paralysis demon

[@michaelmorales1475]

I watched TASM2 2 days ago for the first time, it was alright but the ending was pretty bad.

[@faherty87]

I put my back out every once and a while, the last time it happened i decided to make Spider-man 2 my putting my back out film cause of the 'Im back/My back' scene. The most recemt time like 2 weeks ago, i watched 1 and 2 with the dvd extras. I probably heard it before because i owned the dvds as a kid but I honestlly dont remember that Doc Ock was originally in 1.

[@theunkillablecat8458]

i think that the Electro art was meant for a cancelled Action figure

[@omarhabrawi4156]

The Lizard did appear in the Spider-Man 2 game for the Gameboy Advance and N-Gage though and he was in the E3 trailer for the game

[@KenMasters.]

The amount of villains that should've been in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man : S P I D E R - M A N : · Doc Ock / Otto Octavios · Green Goblin / Norman Osbourne S P I D E R - M A N 2 (ft. Black Cat) : · Doc Ock / Otto Octavios · Lizard / Kurt Conners S P I D E R - M A N 3 (ft. the Black Symbiote & Sinister Six) : · Doc Ock / Otto Octavios · Electro / Max Dillon · Lizard / Kurt Conners · New Goblin / Harry Osbourne · Sandman / Flint Marko · Vulture / Adrian Tombs S P I D E R - M A N 4 (ft. Venom & Carnage Family, and based on "Maximum Carnage") : • Carnage / Cletus Kasady • Carrion / Malcolm McBride • New Goblin (later Agent Venom) / Flash Thompson • Doppleganger / N/A • Living Vampire / Michael Morbius • Shriek / Frances Barrison S P I D E R - M A N 5 (ft. Venom & Carnage Family II, and based on "Seperation Anxiety") : • Agony / Leslie Gesneria • Lasher / Ramón Hernandez • Phage / Carl Mach • Riot / Trevor Cole • Scream / Donna Diego • Spider-Carnage / Ben-Reilly

[@RonnyPugs]

That’s a lot.

[@KenMasters.]

@@RonnyPugs This here is really not as many compared to X-Men & Avengers.

[@KenMasters.]

@Colonel List Grüber Oh thanks. To explain it: My depiction of Spider-Man 3 would be loosely based on *The Alien Costume Saga* from the Spider-Man comics. And it would basically be a two-part, S.H.I.E.L.D. versus Sinister Six threequel where Spidey gets his Black Suit and Nick Fury offers his recruitment to help defeat the Six and Peter declines his help thinking he can handle his own due to his pompous ego, but later has no choice to team up, because Doc Ock discovers the Suit's weakness of sound, so Peter gathers his allies and enemy-turned-allies (including Harry) to do a 6-on-6 NYC showdown. And the film ends with Spidey killing Goblin Jr. indirectly from the suit gaining full chaotic-control of Peter (making him lose his mind) and the teammates fighting Black-Suited Spidey, but Mr. Fantastic wins the fight by also discovering the suit's weakness and the Symbiote falls off and vanishes which eventually finds Eddie Brock, thus a new chapter begins. And Spider-Man 4 would not only be a fourquel, but also a two-part, live-action adaptation to the fourteen-part *Maximum Carnage* comics. (Spoiler: Demogoblin drops Gwen from a tall building...)

[@TheLegendCG]

Dang the lizard design looks just like the amazing Spiderman lizard but skinnier

[@coolkid3193]

epicspidey456 not really the lizard in the Sam Rami series looks like a dinosaur and the one in amazing Spiderman looks like Vin Diesel

[@shaunbang]

The black cat art at the end looks a lot like Angelina Jolie especially in the art where it’s her in a crowd of walking people looking back at us at +7:35 which makes me wonder if she was ever heavily considered for a role in the raimi films as I could see her as an amazing black cat back then

[@baggin.]

Somewhere in the spider-verse these decisions were made

[@shaunbang]

I really wish the studio allowed raimi to do what he wanted to with the third film but as badly as I wish the raimi films continued I am very happy the way things played out with No Way Home truly giving us fans everything we could possibly wish for in seeing all spidermen in one film and now we get to see raimi back with marvel for doctor strange which seems like a much better fit of a hero for him given his acumen in being more into the fantastical and horror genres.

[@jakemccormick6958]

The 2nd doc ock looks way better then the 1st

[@saintmark4461]

I would've loved to see the lizard the most out of these

[@AliAhmad-fn3tn]

I don’t get it why black cat wasn’t in Spider-Man 2

[@RonnyPugs]

Probably didn’t want to have too many characters in the story.

[@bluecorp8557]

This makes me sad for what we could have got. If only Sony didn’t push for Venom to be in it 😔

[@SocksFCGameArchives]

If I remember correctly there was a Lizard figure in the Spider-Man 3 merchandise, I have one so I’m assuming it was the final design of used

[@Theneptuno]

Love these videos bout the rami trilogy ❤️

[@JohnsWorld19]

This could still happen considering sam Rami is directing multiverse of madness I hope we get Spider-Man 4

[@milanunosson9355]

electro was planned to be the villain in Spider man 3 alongside lizard before being replaced by vulture

[@alexmosch8943]

The villains from the fourth movie would have been both Lizard and Mysterio

[@badbitch2308]

Do y’all think there’s other hero’s in the raimi verse??

[@RonnyPugs]

I have videos on that.

[@badbitch2308]

Ronny Pugs I’m about to watch that right now 🤝

[@dannyhernandez265]

Would’ve loved to see the lizard in Raimi. Would’ve worked well.

[@kennethhernandez8216]

You forgot king pin and kraven the hunter

[@srstriker6420]

ken hernanadez well kingpin was in the Daredevil movie at the time

[@75JUNAKI]

I think they should've just went with the comic designs but changed them up a bit

[@dellingerthefightingfish5213]

Spider-Man trilogy is the best

[@xenome3883]

is this movie was made sam raimi would have the lizard eat a kid's pet dog infront of him

[@eliasmejia7862]

Reason why I enjoy Sam rami Spider-Man is the realistic take to more a serious tone in the movies than what we have now

[@ThornOfSociety]

The Spider-Man 3 Mysterio figure does look based on his design from the second game.

[@matthewsiracusa8459]

7:11-7:19 what do you mean by “that scene” was it a graphic scene in the summary? I can’t find the summary anywhere.

[@LooferMoofer]

Me neither

[@sega20x80]

We might see most villains in the video games based on Sam Rami's movies.

[@clumpyschlipz7571]

I dont think lizard would have happened, he said he was a physicist NOT a biologist

[@MuggMen]

Hey wasn't there like in E3 trailer for Spider-Man to that at the very end included the lizard?

[@RonnyPugs]

Yes, for the game.

[@MuggMen]

@@RonnyPugs wasn't there also one thing for the vulture that looks pretty cool or is that from the first

[@RonnyPugs]

First game. Although Vulture did appear in the PSP version of ‘Spider-Man 2’.

[@MuggMen]

@@RonnyPugs ah, thank you

[@omarhabrawi4156]

@@RonnyPugs vulture also appeared in the NDS version of Spider-Man 2

[@Kyrus7]

My guess is it would've been vulture for Spider-Man 4 and Electro for Spider-Man 5

[@JG-jz3wh]

Nah actually it’s the lizard for 5

[@Jose-uy5qc]

We were robbed of Anne Hathaway’s Black Cat ):

[@ivanvasquz9051]

So..where did the carnage is spiderman 4 theories come in?

[@GreenGobi]

Was electro gonna be in Spider-Man 4 and with original suit? And what villains would you like to see if they made one final Spider-Man 4

[@RonnyPugs]

Electro could have just been for the toy line, and probably Dylan Baker’s Lizard.

[@GreenGobi]

@@RonnyPugs One final movie would consist of what villains?

[@GreenGobi]

Ronny Pugs how about carnage? He was high on votes too

[@InitialPC]

I WANT A SPIDERMAN MOVIE WITH THE RHINO IN IT! NOT AMAZING SPIDERMAN 2!

[@ant2901]

I liked the green goblin costume

[@kkdrumm3r]

I think black cat was gonna be played by Anne Hathaway