What Could Have Been: Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4

Taking a look at what Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4 would have been like had he returned to direct.
⏱️TIMESTAMPS⏱️
0:00 Intro
0:37 Venom
1:15 Gwen Stacy
2:16 Vulture
3:12 Felicia Hardy
3:34 Mysterio
4:01 Daily Bugle
4:41 Vulturess
5:25 Tobey Maguire
6:03 The Lizard
7:24 3-D
8:32 Reboot
9:58 Multiverse
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[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

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[@jimmymccartney2049]

Who are the stars?

[@bensneb360]

I still hope we get a Spider-Man 4, the passion and creativity Sam Raimi has for Spider-Man and his world would just make a truly amazing and spectacular film.

[@michaelblaine6494]

Sensational😜

[@jamescoleman3103]

Thank god Sam raimi won’t ever do it

[@freespeech7373]

I know they never would.m, but it would be a dream come true to have all the original soiderman cast and director back to make the send off film Spider-man 4 .

[@wescoast1928]

​@@jamescoleman3103😂 he said yesterday he would dipshot better the bs we got now puss boy tom

[@fanomapage2091]

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[@battycrease2005]

If a Spider-Man 4 came out now, I’d still watch it. I’d really like to see what he could do if he had all of the creative control.

[@mast3rchief536]

Would love a Logan style of Spider-Man 4, maybe not as depressing but would be nice to go back to that dramatic take in Spider-Man or any Marvel movie since we haven’t seen that in a long time. MCU movies are very light hearted and comedic now and maybe just the one off would be a nice side project. They have the money just throw at this project and will attract an audience.

[@luismiguelmartin9170]

🎉

[@endorbr]

Bringing on Felicia Hardy and then NOT have her be Black Cat but some other character made up just for this movie would have been a straight slap in the face to Spider-Man fans.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Agreed. Dumb idea. Stick to the lore.

[@civilwarfare101]

It's why its good the series ended on 3.

[@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBro]

It also seems really dumb that her motivation to do so would be that her adoptive father got killed in self defense, after trying to murder New York’s greatest crime fighter and her own boyfriend. I personally despise character decisions that follow that format, because it seems so unnatural. Most people upon seeing their parents turn into murderous lunatics that got themselves rightfully killed in self defense wouldn’t then go and try to do exactly as their parents. Maybe have her and Peter break up (I’m sure it would make for an uncomfortable relationship on both ends after that), but having a character go from in love to hellbent on bloodshed towards her own boyfriend because her _dad_ went nuts is just stupid and contrived. Also, black cat is sick. Why can’t we have black cat?

[@LemonTheKing900]

​​@@DannyDevitoOffical-TrustMeBrothey literally try to write Harry Osborn revenge story arc again but change it to Felicia Hardy also what with Peter Parker and MJ keep dumping each other in this series lmao, Mary Jane in this series is so controlling and horrible.

[@lewisaino]

​@@BulletsandblockbustersMake her Black Cat but using the Vulture Tech

[@hyperion3145]

The idea that he's called the Vulture because his technology will literally leave you a pile of ash and bones is metal af and already makes me wish Vulture went that hard in the comics

[@DR.MF.DOOMSDAY]

Campbell as Mysterio is something I feel personally robbed of

[@seankelly8432]

My headcanon is that the different characters he played in the Trilogy are all Mysterio

[@DR.MF.DOOMSDAY]

@@seankelly8432okay I’m taking that as my head canon too

[@SchmuckAmok]

Spider-Man 3 isn't as bad as a lot of people remember. Definitely the weakest of the trilogy imo, but it does serve as a pleasant ending to all the character drama. The original trilogy feels genuine in that way, as now we see an endless chain of superhero films that won't end any time soon.

[@thexplodenator3007]

I don’t think Spider-Man 3 is bad because there’s too many villains. I actually think they tie in together really nicely. I dislike Spider-Man 3 because everyone is just awful to each other for literally no reason

[@cpenner7086]

lol defending bad movies is hialrious...its bad the director thinks its bad stop defending crap

[@sweetrolldealer]

@@cpenner7086 calm your ballsacks. it aint that bad

[@marouanefellaini707]

@@cpenner7086 you’re just a hater following the mob Spider-Man 3 isn’t that bad and just because the director doesn’t like it doesn’t mean others won’t like it

[@nealsmall9316]

​@@thexplodenator3007Your WRONG Spider man 3 is the BEST but everyone has their own opinions

[@WilliamGonzalez-op4pt]

I like Spider-Man 3 more than most but it’s not a great not note to leave the series. I really wish that one day we can see a conclusion that Raimi and co are happy with.

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

Sam Raimi is one of my favorite directors it wasn't his fault but I am a Raimi brothers fan boy so I might not be the best judge but I agree

[@maddenboseroy4074]

That would require a full director's cut of Raimi's original vision for Spider Man 3 before 4, 5, and 6.

[@louischauvin1790]

Completely agree

[@coinstudiosmoviescartoonsa1978]

I'm ok with it ending on a trilogy, my problem is that andrew never got a 3rd movie and so his character arc was never completed.

[@anthonyleachman3541]

​@@emperortrevornorton3119 kingdom hearts styles

[@blackmesacake5361]

I think absolutely we should get Spider-Man 4, hell bring on Amazing 3!

[@xxxTheManOnFirexxx]

Amazing 3 if they can somehow canonize the alternate ending from 2??? Just saying

[@Theriople]

@@xxxTheManOnFirexxx what alternate ending

[@jonathancampbell5231]

@@Theriople Peter is crying at Gwen's grave...and then his dad shows up, alive.

[@robertgreally]

Nah the Internet bitched so much about amazing spiderman 2 not being rubbish because its not in mcu, that it cannot repent now.

[@Theriople]

@@jonathancampbell5231 oh i see

[@alisterfolson]

I was hoping they'd do something with The Lizard. They'd been working up to it in the first two movies.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Raimi kept putting it off. Not sure why. Guess he wasn't that interested in the character.

[@Nickpetronio]

I know! Curt connors was already in the first 2 movies. He was right there!

[@lucifermorningstar8562]

At least the video games acted on it. I loved the video game trilogy. (Although agains 3 did end up being a downgrade but only due to the swinging mechanics.)

[@B-Shells]

Man I always think about Raimi’s Spider-Man 3 and 4 and what they could’ve really been

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

I’m pretty sure Sam Raimi admitted that he was just using his favorite villains and not the popular ones, but I don’t see the problem in that. Sure, Venom probably sold more toys than Vulture would’ve, but if you don’t care about the characters you’re writing, then your writing’s gonna suffer. I like Spider-Man 3, it’s my favorite of the trilogy, but even I have to admit that Venom wasn’t written as well as he could’ve been. I never agreed with everyone saying that it had too many villains and plotlines. I think the movie was structured well, and the main problem was just that Sam Raimi didn’t know enough or care enough about Venom to do him justice. Still, I find it odd that Sam Raimi wanted to use the villains he liked the most, but somehow ended up using Spider-Man’s four biggest villains (at least in my opinion) in descending order across his three films.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

Exactly. He just didn't care for Venom. Nor do I. He's Ditko/Romita eras.

[@malcolmparker8376]

A lot of time, studio heads are that one friend at Game Night who doesn't know how to play the board game, won't listen to the people who know how to play the board game, and then slaps the entire game board off the table and demands a different game when it becomes clear they are losing- only to repeat the process all over again.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

This was an incredible analysis!

[@braydentreleaven9370]

I feel like now that we’ve seen Tobey in no way home I want to see a spider man 4 the way raimi originally intended, and potentially see an older spider man deal with his final and biggest villains yet, although idk how they would top doc ock he’s my favourite villain of all time

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Would love it too

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

Carnage maybe?

[@civilwarfare101]

"He's my favorite villain of all time". Spider-Man PS4 entered the chat.

[@admiral_chika6780]

Maybe all the villains vs tobey ?

[@darthbedlammasterofdueling4519]

Won’t Doc Octopus and Norman Osborn be alive again in the 4th Spiderman 4.

[@brandenadams9001]

The way Spider-Man 3 and amazing Spider-Man 2 both ended were kinda sad and weren’t the send offs they both deserved

[@ILLUSIONZ224EDITS-vh4ip]

Man I don't blame him for leaving but I still wish it was made. Great vid man.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thnx! Same here :(

[@ladybabe6958]

it's avin fault

[@ItsSeanTheProducer]

A friend of mine had a small role in Spider-Man 2. It was originally a single scene and one line, but he hit it off with Raimi, and his role was slightly expanded. A few years later, we were talking, and he said "Don't tell anyone, but I was asked to be in Spider-Man 4". Raimi liked to use actors who he liked in small roles in his films, and he remembered my friend from SM2. He told me that he was going to do a full-cast table read of the script in a few weeks, and was excited for it. A couple of months later, I saw him again and asked how everything went. He told me "They're rebooting the series with all new actors, and not doing SM4". That was the first I had heard about the reboot, and also one of the factors that left a bad taste in my mouth about those two reboot films.

[@timechanger6679]

Hey that’s still awesome for your friend tho! Did he ever get to meet Tobey or was it just Raimi? And did Raimi ever ask him to come back for another movie? (This is a fascinating story for me I you couldn’t tell 😂)

[@Andrew-po8nt]

The funny thing is we still got all the villains Vulture, Lizard, Mysterio, Shocker, Electro, Rhino, and Prowler eventually anyway.

[@thesniper09pro]

I really want a movie with scorpion as the villain!

[@civilwarfare101]

Give me the Chameleon since Raimi made Darkman.

[@carloscallins7846]

Naw fr why haven’t they got him in a movie cs he can spiderman some problems and what about kingpin why haven’t they put him in a movie already they missing some big name villains or like catwoman she could’ve been cool in 3 and that would’ve been interesting cs tobey turned into a bully and catwoman would have changed him they could’ve did so much more but hopefully In marvel phase 6 or 7 they have them

[@TheRealCaptain314]

I wish the 4th one was made

[@Infinite_Ethan_03]

Sony would’ve ruined it.

[@matthewbennett4128]

We got Spider Man: No Way Home and that was enough I think.

[@matthewbennett4128]

@@Infinite_Ethan_03 That is why Sam Raimi walked away.

[@freaky66]

They still could do spiderman 4 with an aged Peter parker against the vulture with Tobey Maguire as spiderman. No way home showed us tobey still has it and it could continue where 3 left off many years later

[@bluesEvanskro]

If anything no way home shower that tobey definitely does not still have it, he was completely outshone by the other two

[@ramirodelgado4912]

@@bluesEvanskrooutshined 🤣🤣 he was the spotlight

[@onemoreminute0543]

Having been recently rewatching Spiderman 3 for the first time in 3 years, I'll be honest I think the film is pretty great, and has arguably some of the best moments in the series. The only real issue is that the film is bloated with lots of plotlines which can often lead to some plotlines disappearing for a while before coming back. But aside from that, when the film works DAMN does it work. It's great to see how Peter, who was being beaten down thoughout movie 2, now has the opposite problem where his soaring success and personal overconfidence is his new hamartia. It leads to such an interesting struggle that affects his relationship with MJ in a complex and compelling way and also his career as Spiderman in a corrupted way.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I just find there’s a dark cloud over the whole film. I watched it recently too. I found the whole thing depressing.

[@onemoreminute0543]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters It's definitely got a more somber ending than the first two films, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. But hey, that's just me.

[@camdenhochgesang6554]

@@BulletsandblockbustersI love the dark feel of it.

[@martianastronaut4917]

My personal head Cannon is that Spider-Man 4 that Sam Raimi originally envisioned played out in the intervening years after Spider-Man 3 and before No Way Home. It sucks that Raimi Spider-Man never got the send off it deserves. No Way Home doesn't count, that was more a cameo (which means that Webb Spider-Man never got the Sendoff it deserved as well)

[@matthewbennett4128]

Spider-Man: No Way Home definitely counts they both had more than just a cameo. They both had nearly 40 minutes of screen time and were actual supporting characters in the movie that actually participated in the plot. Both of them got to wrap up their own personal storylines and tie up loose ends and resolve certain things while Tom Holland got to wrap up his storyline as well. They both got a proper send off, so I don't know what movie you watched, but it wasn't the same movie as everybody else. What it had been better for them to have gotten a proper send off in their own solo movies, perhaps. But this did a pretty damn good job at giving them the proper send offs that we never thought that they were going to get. So sorry. I'm going to defend that movie's honor and not downplay the roles that they both played in that movie, which were far more significant than you give it credit for. If someone at least have 30 minutes of screen time in a movie and actually plays a significant part in the plot, that's not a cameo. You need to learn the difference between a supporting character and a cameo.

[@Ravum]

That Felicia twist would have sucked really bad.

[@ihaveasecret9539]

Yeah, I’m not a fan of it tbh. I think The Lizard made the most sense for Spider-Man 4.

[@endorbr]

Bringing on Felicia Hardy and then NOT have her be Black Cat but some other character made up just for this movie would have been a straight slap in the face to Spider-Man fans.

[@Ravum]

@@endorbr exactly. It seems like such a weird choice.

[@surrotten3354]

@@Ravum She shouldve just been black cat who was working with vulture

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

Yeah that part ruined it big time. Already was not feeling it with MJ being gone either at the start after everything they went through in spiderman 3 and got back together.

[@dannypalin9583]

I bet you everything I have to my name that Venom in No Way Home was a "Gotcha!" moment aimed at Avi Arad for shoehorning the character into everything.

[@thetartanspartan01]

They could still make Spider-man 4 with an older Toby and Kirsten now parents and Spider-man now retired. But then a Villain(s) bring him back into the suit. Then at the end when the villains are defeated we get a hint that there is a greater villain in the background that needs the whole Spider-verse team to fight them.

[@ombrevance]

I thought I heard rumors that Spider-Man 4 was going to have Carnage in it. Or originally Peter was going to get rid of the black suit at the end of 3 and then in 4 Venom was the villain.

[@VincentStevenStudio]

I remember being heartbroken when I heard the news that Spider-man 4 was canceled. I never had faith in a reboot. I knew Raimi made something so special that it couldn't be replicated or improved upon. And it still hasn't been. Spider-man 2 is still up there with The Dark Knight as one of the greatest superhero movies of all time.

[@thejoemonroeshow]

You know I think a lot studios dropped the ball with superhero characters like spider-man and the tim burton Superman film, which we kind got in the flash but we need a film animation or live action, but with spider-man the wrongs can be righted easily now thanks to the multiverse.

[@bignibbles]

You are absolutely smashing out this content and I love it, keep it up this is going to be a huge channel

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I appreciate that! Thanks!

[@bryantho5050]

Read this and immediately checked the sub count, thought this was a pretty high brow account cause of the quality and views.

[@Undertakerfan365]

Man, if that's the movie then I'm lowkey glad it didn't happen. Tobey's Spider-Man losing to Vulture, accidentally killing him, then Felicia Hardy becomes Vulture to defeat and spare Spider-Man? Also, no J. Jonah Jameson? What? Nah, I'm good. But it would've been nice to see him arrest Shocker, Rhyno, Prowler, and Mysterio.

[@jasontodd1896]

This

[@metaleirosincero6317]

With all this empowerment female culture nowadays, I bet Sony would had accepted that plot right away

[@DJPantspis_er]

Don't forget Stilt Man!

[@eamonclark4952]

I think Spider-Man 3 is the most underrated Spider-Man film. I don’t blame Sam Raimi for the way Spider-Man 3 turing out the way it did it was studio interference from Sony and Avi Arad. I hope one day Sam Raimi will make Spider-Man 4 with Tobey Maguire returning as Spider-Man

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

🤞🏻

[@devildaddy_666]

I’m a fan that loves Spider-Man 3 with a passion

[@leshata6402]

I'd like to be added onto the list, of those who want to see Sam Raimi make Spiderman 4 with Tobey and Kirsten. I can understand why Mr Raimi didn't like the script; the story had another love interest, much like Gwen from Spiderman 3. Yes, Felicia would've had more screen time than Gwen, but wouldn't it be great to end the franchise with Peter and MJ finally having a stable relationship? We only got a little bit of that with just Peter B. Parker.

[@rodrigolucaslopes3565]

#MAKERAIMISPIDERMAN4 #MAKERAIMISPIDERMAN4 #MAKERAIMISPIDERMAN4 #MAKERAIMISPIDERMAN4 #MAKERAIMISPIDERMAN4 #MAKERAIMISPIDERMAN4 #MAKERAIMISPIDERMAN4

[@Davidsworldtravels]

They could have been printing money just making these for another decade. There’s so many villains and team ups they could have easily done a few sequels past 3. And everyone would have seen 4 onward easily.

[@john03ification]

Raimi confirmed that Felicia would’ve been Black Cat.

[@DFarrell-so7oi]

Spider-Man 3 is my all time favourite movie as a child and I think a lot of that is to do with the dark creepiness of Venom who is also my favourite villain, so I’m glad they decided to put venom in even if it ruined the franchise, can’t wait for Tom Hollands spiderman against venom😍

[@carloscallins7846]

They need to put scorpion in 4 to along with catwoman and kingpin cs how they have kingpin in a video game but not in a movie

[@gabethebabe3337]

The Spider-Man 4 that we have through the concept art wouldn't have been great just because of the further split between Peter and MJ. Had we gotten Sam's Spider-Man 3 the relationship might have come off as less toxic and maybe they could have figured things out better. I would love it if Sam came back and did something involving Spider-Girl since that story has more in common with how Raimi does Spider-Man stories and it would fit perfectly with Tobey and Kirsten's ages.

[@pelmeni_va]

Bruce Campbell as Mysterio is a form of high art.

[@nope5657]

As much as it kills me Raimi never got to make another Spidey, I'm glad he understood the 4th film wasn't coming together like he wanted and walked away. After Spider-Man 3, I couldn't handle yet MORE Peter and MJ drama. The trilogy almost flirts with making them too unlikeable together as is, if they broke it off in the 4th film so Peter could pursue Felicia, it would have been a bridge too far imo. I like how the third one ends on a bittersweet, quiet moment of healing. Having that come undone in the next one would have been awful.

[@phil818]

They had 10 different mask ready in made and other costumes it’s was pretty cool to see

[@jonathancampbell5231]

Both Raimi and the studio are at fault here in their own ways. The bigger issue is just the obvious lack of planning and I remember even seeing the very first one and thinking that if they are killing off the Green Goblin in the first movie, and they killed Ock in the second, then they are making the same fundamental mistake as the Burton / Schumacher Batman films by making the films focus too much on the spectacle of a new villain for each movie, something that always leads to diminishing returns because you are using the most interesting villains first. To be frank, Venom and Lizard are conceptually better villains than Sandman, Vulture and Harry Osborn, so I can see the wisdom of the studio there; at the same time, they clearly not only meddled, but meddled in the worst way by wanting Raimi to do both his version and theirs at the same time. Though I never liked the "multiple villains" complaint about Spider-Man 3- the 90s cartoon's take on the Venom story had Kingpin, Shocker, Rhino, Smythe and Venom and that was way better than any of these movies; the issue was too many sub-plots and that those plots and villains didn't gel together so well. I actually do think that John Malkovitch could have been great as the Vulture, but the story always sounded weak and despite any protests that might have been set off, having one or two other villains for him to play off of probably would have made more sense. Frankly a story involving both Vulture and Lizard might possibly have worked better. Also, from that script, it sounds like Mary-Jane is an afterthought.

[@ClassifiedRanTom]

I would have preferred “Lizard and Kraven” , basically adapting Kraven’s Last Hunt where the Lizard is in the role of Vermin, and Spidey must protect his mentor from the Hunter.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

Venom was the worst thing about Spider-Man 3. It just didn't work. Sandman was fine (apart from the giant cloud of sand).

[@jonathancampbell5231]

@@lyndoncmp5751 Sandman was a better character yes, but that's because Raimi didn't "get" the character of Venom (and fumbled Harry Osborn). From a story perspective though, Sandman added nothing except a rehash and retcon of Uncle Ben's death. Both Harry and Venom are far more relevant to the overall plot than he was, and he's got nothing to do with anything set up in the previous movies the way both Harry and Curt Connors were. Nobody who watched Spider-Man 2 finished the movie and said "Can't wait for the Sandman!"

[@robinwagner7397]

​@@jonathancampbell5231agreed. To me, Sandman was the least interesting of the three villains. His connection to Peter felt very forced. The movie would've benefited if Harry was the only villain in the movie and Peter got the symbiote. Then after the final fight and Harry died, Peter would let go of the symbiote, and it would attach itself to Brock in the post credit scene setting up spiderman 4

[@matthewbennett4128]

I agree it was mistake for Sam Raimi to kill of those villains. But what I like about the MCU is the multiverse so they were able to correct that mistake and bring them back and reuse them in a way that was not cheap and had them return on this epic way. Spider-Man: No Way Home retroactively corrects the errors of the Tobey McGuire and Andrew Garfield movies.

[@JasonPyne]

Spider-Man 3 is actually a great film. I don't think the vulture would have fit the overall theme of the film which is forgiveness is more powerful than revenge. Yes, it has it's cheesy moments but we get a satisfying conclusion to Tobey Maguire's Spider-man story. Harry and Peter forgive each other, Peter forgives the sandman, and Peter and Mary Jane's relationship is left up in the air. Again, it has its moments of being silly or over the top but is definitely a satisfying conclusion. A fourth film would have run the risk of undoing the feeling that the story had ended for audiences.

[@SchmuckAmok]

I completely agree with you

[@KaneRobot]

It's not a great film. Enough with the hyperbole. It's something that could have been entertaining if it were more restrained with everything they were trying to do, and the elimination of some god-awful characterization. That's about as far as it goes. To think it's as good as one of the first two films is laughable.

[@danman6431]

Film is such a hot mess lol where is the “Greatness” in it? Another Rami fan blinded by nostalgia.

[@perrymason9942]

@@KaneRobot Meh, it's a great film and easily my favorite of the trilogy. Spiderman 2, however, was a sentimental bore that took itself too seriously.

[@jeremybottoms7619]

​@danman6431 imo ots the best in the trilogy and don't get much of the hate I loved sand man and Peter had alot of meme worthy lines

[@Inamkhan31666]

I would still love to see Spiderman 4 with Tobey. To explore what happened with Peter after the events of Spiderman 3. It would also explain the events of No way Home.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

If rumours are true we may get it 🤞

[@Inamkhan31666]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters I really really hope those rumors are true and it happens. 🙂

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Same here

[@leolegostopmotion7966]

Spider man 4 was meant to be about the lizard and doctor Connor’s

[@TB-vz8xg]

Sam Raimi makes two great Spider-Man films and then Sony interferes with too many villains for #3. Marc Webb makes a good reboot and then Sony interferes with too many villains for the sequel. They lend Marvel Studios the rights, they make two great films and then they make a third with all the villains possible, but yet make it work perfectly with a great plot and storyline. Sony somehow screwed up twice and had Marvel Studios clean up their mess.

[@christophergarrett7082]

Don't forget the venom universe of turning the villians into good guys.

[@doctorsilva1345]

@@christophergarrett7082 Venom is not a bad guy tho.

[@Gamefit28]

Even though most we will never see, its great to imagine from what we know what could have been, thanks for giving us these what could have been ones, one of my favs is Bryan singers xmen 3

[@freaky66]

It be interesting if you cover spider man 2. There were a lot of backstage drama on the set of 2 like tobey and Kristen having some tension after they dated for a brief stint after the first film and tobey with his back problems causing panic. Just maybe some additional content for your channel. Spider man 2 is my one of my favorite movies growing up. I'm sure there was re writes and changes. There was a wild rumor that they were gonna do 6 films total after the success of 1 and 2.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll add it to the list!

[@freaky66]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters thank you

[@moviegeek9540]

I heard that the studio would've replaced Tobey with Jake Gyllenhaal if his back problems got worse. Don't know if that's true but it's hilarious in hindsight.

[@MackEastwood23]

Don’t forget there was tension between Tobey and James Franco

[@mtvssanctuary9652]

I'm with Sam, not exactly sure what I think of the story beats here either It makes no sense to me why Peter would suddenly jump ship in him and Mary Jane's relationship, Spider-Man 3 already tackled their instability as people and now they should be smooth sailing. The Vulture seems like a cool antagonist, I think Vulture could be still compelling in a fourth installment, given his stories' themes of aging and mortality. Kraven too, who's been discussed by Sam relatively recently.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Probably why raimi hated the scripts.

[@matthewbennett4128]

But you just explained why Sam Raimi was so unhappy with the script and not to mention with the final film itself. He loves Spider-Man No Way Home from what I understand, and probably because it gave his characters a better send off than he was able to give them. It's kind of an impressive feat that that movie manages to not only be the MCU Spider-Man 3 but to also be The Amazing Spider-Man 3 and Spider-Man 4 all in the same movie

[@mkalic7423]

3:39 Really sad hearing that while Mysterio is on screen :/ he's such a great villain. I like to imagine an universe where there would've been 10+ Sam Raimi's SpiderMan Movies featuring all the important villains

[@johnaraya3761]

and episode's like this is why im set with all notification's on.

[@_Lionel999]

Am I the only one who actually enjoyed Spider-Man 3? Everyone always shits on it

[@richp858]

I think it's the media that shits on it. Spiderman 3 was AWESOME to me, idk what people are talking about. If you enjoy it, fuck them.

[@jedigeek442]

We need this! Would want Mj and peter to be stable and have a kid

[@Tingalinga]

Interesting! I never truly understood why they couldn't go through with the fourth movie, thanks for delving into it.

[@HunterBronson]

Spiderman is an older man now. In his 40s. He has kids and a wife in MJ. You could do something really amazing with that foundation.

[@0Vuuk0]

if Rami did spider-man 4 now. I would hope it was somewhat like Logan. but with a happy ending.

[@JoeBuk724]

Im not too keen on Felicia becoming Vulture instead of Blackcat, but other than that i like it.

[@MistahJay7]

Yea that's a stupid Idea. We want Black Cat not some alternative lol

[@jaymac7349]

Agree

[@BSmitty4rm8Fitty]

This was the last Spiderman that felt like a comic book movie

[@matteoluppi711]

Nostalgic spiderman tobey maguire😢!!! IT'S BACK please, it's back!!!!!

[@356z]

Spiderman 3 was great!

[@CT-5427]

We need a 2099 live action movie with all the 2099 heroes like Spider-Man and daredevil 2099

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Seeing the story about Vulture and Felicia, not to mention axing MJ… Yeah, Spiderman 3 is a great ending.

[@maxordman4100]

Wow this is quite interesting and yes if Raimi made this movie and Felicia Hardy was in it I would’ve loved to see it too! Also I love his Vulture pitch! While I also see more than a few flaws in the plan of this project, it’s definitely a movie that I would’ve loved to have seen! Oh well maybe we’ll get something similar with Tom Holland someday or maybe even Raimi coming back to do it years later. Time will tell! Thank you for sharing this with us!

[@captain_unhinged4372]

Spiderman 4 only if Rami has full control, and no MCU bullshit! I want “ZERO!” Far from Home references. I just want to see a true continuation of Ramis Spiderman World.

[@ArticulateWarbling]

Lets put Raimi's face over Dafoes, and Avi's over poor Norman's assistant. That was what Spider-Man 4 was going to be. What gets me, Avi Arad and his habits and ways, shunned by Feige, who ensures that guy is as far away from his productions as possible, is slowly turning into Arad.

[@zacharyburau6657]

Another banger! Great video

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Appreciate it!

[@tonysantiago255]

Thanks for including that last bit where Sam Raimi tells Avi Arad that he was not welcomed on set. After I'm found out that in order to protect his interest in the rights to the Fantastic Four, he destroyed the original negatives of Roger Forma as 1994 version. Regardless of what you think of it, that was the act of a true Villain.

[@tonysantiago255]

Also, autocorrect spelling sux.

[@mazrimazri6101]

Spiderman 3 was still enjoyable that's proof it wasn't a bad movie

[@dustingmyguitars]

There is not a single cancelled film that I would've liked to have seen more than Spider-man 4. After Far From Home I was hoping it would eventually materialize, however I think I feel differently now. I have my own head canon as to what happened with everything and I'd rather it just be left alone. If Raimi were left to his own devices I think he has the potential to do something great. My concern would be with forced cameos and constant sequel/spinoff baiting within the film. The Raimi trilogy, while flawed, dealt a lot with Peter's duty. While I enjoy some of the modern hero flicks I don't feel like they have similar themes at least to the same extent. To me they feel more surface level. The third film is about forgiving someone who murdered a relative and having sympathy for them. Both Peter and Harry go through this. I don't feel like modern cinema would hit these beats and if they did I do not feel they'd reach the same level. I want to thank you for making this video. I've watched a lot of material on the cancelled 4, but yours was the most concise and I did learn some new things.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Glad you liked it! Thank you!

[@dustingmyguitars]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters Unsure if any exist, however if there are any cancelled films by Nolan that would be a good video imo

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Howard Hughes but not much known about it

[@jonathancampbell5231]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters Anything on the original plans for his third Batman film before Ledger died (or did you do that already)?

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I did that one :)

[@DumbToons]

If Spider-Man 4 does happen, that needs to be the poster.

[@kazallroberts]

From what I've heard, Carnage & Rhino were gonna be the main villains of Spider-Man 4.

[@mdh16off59]

Nah carnage and lizard was gona be main villane and jim carry was rumore to play carnage

[@TinyTinyMan]

I'd like to see Spider-Man 4 done justice. And also James Cameron's version!

[@subjectbigy]

Not only did Arad ruin this franchise but he also ruined Garfield's take.

[@_dranillo1k]

Please do What Could Have Been: Batman Triumphant/Unchained 🦇🟣🟡

[@davidwhatsthatabout7404]

MCU Spiderman is constructed in a way where it’s meant to be mass produced and elevated by crossovers but doesn’t meet expectations as a stand alone film (Spiderman far from home) Marc Webb Spiderman is constructed in a way to be an homage to modern day Spiderman media (spectacular spider man and the ultimate Spider-Man comics) these films are definitely a love letter to That era but it fails in execution. But-the brilliance of the Sam Raimi films is that it is a good movie first, and then Spiderman second. His films feel like, he is telling you who Spiderman is as if the audience has never heard of him before.

[@matthewbennett4128]

Yeah, but the MCU Spider-Man movies aren't standalone movies. They exist in the wider Marvel Cinematic Universe. It's either something you're going to love or hate. And I don't know Spider-Man: Homecoming was my first MCU movie and I knew nothing about the MCU, and I thought it worked great as a standalone film. Sure, the viewing experience is enhanced. If you've seen the other MCU movies and get some of the references that would go over your head that you would otherwise miss. Yes, it took me some time to adjust to Spider-Man existing in a wider cinematic universe as opposed to being standalone like he had been in the first 5 movies. But I really loved it and then it made me want to see more of Tom Holland as Spider-Man and to see where his story would go.

[@HUMBLESS23]

Spider-Man 3 not even bad people just hate on it cause it’s a trend too

[@JadePR33]

Love the plot of SM 4. Peter is friends with the child of his villain, who happens to be his boss/mentor, until the climax when Peter's identity is revealed. Oh, wait, that's the plot of SM 1. Oops!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

I would prefer this movie over The Amazing Spider-Man 3 that movie had an awful script

[@roberttreacy8271]

Same.

[@DrakeHurley]

personally Loved SpiderMan 3, one of my favorites merely due to the black suit spiderman they had. Got better as time went on because now we have funny memes from it too

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

The memes are legendary

[@damenicionscott]

I loved Spider-Man 3 for what it was and still to this day defend it

[@Fignition]

Hot take: spider-man 3 was GOOD.

[@ssjrosethanos1996]

Not a hot take. You’re just a smart man

[@ssjrosethanos1996]

With amazing taste

[@grandamishwizard1584]

You must be one of them Kansas City feebits I been hearin bout over yonder’s

[@tommy_noble]

No it wasnt

[@Tosenate]

I really liked it but that doesn’t mean it’s a good movie

[@krispchips2841]

I don’t see why people don’t like Spider Man 3 so much. I honestly love the movie. Skinny Venom was an interesting change I like.

[@alicetafara9514]

I liked his movies but it would be cool if he had a update on his suit like the iron spider suit and some cool suit powers

[@crazziemonkke]

bro, i just friggin love spider-man and sam raimi 🥲

[@xxxTheManOnFirexxx]

Do you have plans to do a Man of Steel II video? Or anything DCEU related - especially with recent news of Flash/Aquaman 2 reshoots & scrapped scenes making it increasingly obvious the new Gunn DCU will be a hard reboot (rip)

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Yes I do, Mr Draper

[@xxxTheManOnFirexxx]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters awesome. Can't wait to see your take

[@TheAlphaLegionnaire]

I remember trolling the message boards back then and me and everybody else were extremely trepidatious about Felicia Hardy being Vultress instead of Black Cat. It sounded like a really bad change and we did shit on it a lot when the rumors dropped. I hope I didn’t contribute to this film’s demise 😅

[@thekiss2083]

Great use of the storyboards!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!

[@mr.mumblesgaming2530]

Man why do people hate on Spider-Man 3. It’s not even a bad movie in fact it’s my favorite out of all of the Spider-Man movies.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I can’t speak for everyone else but I found it a pretty big disappointment when it came out. It had too many characters, it butchered venom and rushed his storyline, it had a mean spirited vibe throughout the entire film and the climax was super cheesy with the inclusion of the poorly acted newscaster and reporter. Just my 2cents

[@Bmhtsos18]

Ok, let me get this straight. They wanted to make Spider-Man 4 with Vulture as the villain instead of Lizard totally ignoring Curt Connors being in the last two films, Felicia Hardy as the Vulture's daughter instead of Black Cat and Peter cheating on Mary Jane with Felicia even though he spent the entire trilogy telling everyone how much he loves her ever since they were kids, not to mention the fact that he was going to propose to her in the third film? And they were expecting the film to be "kickass" and "on another level"? If that was their idea for Spider-Man 4, then thank got it was never made!

[@jplusofficial]

Spider-Man 3 should've been Black suit Spidey vs Lizard with Eddie getting the suit at the end. That's what they set up in the previous films. They introduced an astronaut then just had a meteor land next to Toby. Could've done just like in the animated series

[@furkan.3]

All 3 parts were masterpieces and he is the only Spiderman who can really act

[@freespeech7373]

I know they never would.m, but it would be a dream come true to have all the original cast and director back to make the send off film Spider-man 4 ! 🇺🇸

[@kunlesanders]

I am really disappointed that Spider-Man (2002-2007 movie) series and Amazing Spider-Man (2012-2014) series got cancelled for some reason.

[@Ash-Winchester]

I do not consider Spider-man 3 a disappointment. It's always been one of my favorites, and if I ever meet Sam Raimi, I'm going to tell him that. And that he shouldn't be disappointed in himself.

[@thefknscarecrow]

FUN FACT: Peters cringe dance and behavior in 3 was because thats Peter's perspective on what a badass is like. Cause hes a huge nerd. But it flew over everybodys heads

[@kiillabytez]

I never even heard of Oz The Great And Powerful before today! Gonna see it right now.

[@user-bx4fk9fo1g]

It’s funny because as a Kid I always loved SPIDER-MAN 3 and I thought everyone else did too. Guess I was wrong.

[@noahxgaming4382]

This sounds amazing! Sucks that we never got it

[@LakesideTrey]

The actors are still young enough.Never too late.

[@cbdaudio7975]

"What went wrong?" 30 seconds in; "Avi Arad"...yup.