Christians React To Watain The Waters of Ain

[@moribvndi]

"Transylvania" is something actually deeply rooted in the veins of black metal for a very specific and sinister reason. Nothing to do with Dracula and B-movie monsters. The oldest reference is from Per Yngve Ohlin, aka Dead, the most known singer of Mayhem. As everyone already knows, he wore a now legendary "I

[@rufussamsquanch_6547]

Well said.

[@braylenraphael1999]

i realize Im kinda randomly asking but does anybody know a good website to watch new movies online ?

[@birglemir]

of course i didnt hear it from his lips, but from what i understand he told a close friend also, "I am going away for a long, long time, im going to Transylvania"

[@moribvndi]

@@Skepsis710 Dead was mentally ill. And Jon was into criminal activities before and after his jail time, check "Werewolf Legion Stockholm". Nothing edgy here, it's real shit.

[@AlexandrusMegus]

I was always wondering if Transylvania has some deeper meaning than this. Dead, Jon and then Watain. I thought to myself, it can't possibly be a coincidence. I'm still not entirely conveinced.

[@rooshzam1640]

This live version features Selim Lemouchi, he wrote the original solo for the song on the album too and that's why it stands out and it's just so beautiful. He was a great friend of Erik but in 2014 he took his life in the name of chaos and to join the forces of death and the next life, ever since the band never played this song live again. Selim's band is called The Devil's Blood which is originated from a song by the same title from Watain. Check it out its definitely some of the finest music you'll ever hear. Selim was a great musician and a great person in real life. RIC Selim Lemouchi

[@Hanzan]

Came here to write just this. The Devil's Blood created some of the greatest music I've heard. Well worth looking into, Selim is an incredible guitarist and songwriter.

[@rooshzam1640]

Hanzan absolutely mate, I worship that band

[@arnlab]

Absolutely. SL was a genius and wrote some of the most beautifull music and lyrics. They should give The Devil's Blood a shot, as their music was the most genuinely that path was put to art, and all without cliché. The Yonder Beckons would be a good fit to start, or maybe The Anti-Kosmik Magick.

[@dennie1984]

Backing this. Vin and Sori talking about The Devil's Blood and them dissecting their lyrics would be more interesting than most "pseudo evil lyrics" bands that get summed up beneath each video. Also, random fact: "Ghost - He Is" is dedicated to Selim, so there's that. Even more motivation to do this.

[@broderbroder123]

They do play Waters of Ain live though, they finished with that song at Wacken. +1 on the Devil's Blood recommendation

[@bmfan]

Couple things here. The lyrics differ from the album version since the final lines are not sung live, and are not his words to speak. As mentioned, this song is meant to be played at his funeral. The line about "do not mistake me for a star" was explained by Erik as “… what I’m trying to say with this lyric is that one must never mistake the extravagance and the otherworldliness of things that are still a part of creation for something that is actually not a part of creation as we know it, of God as we know it. And that’s why I’m saying, is that if people are seeing a huge source of power in Watain, don’t mistake it for a man-made power, or a God-made power, because it is completely the opposite.”

[@benwebb4424]

As an atheist, I can say Watain is my band. I don't share beliefs with them, but on a musical level it speaks to the brain. The atmosphere and melodies they have just feel right. Such a great band. The fact that you guys didn't rate it means it's obviously a 12/10. You just couldn't rate them because your scale doesn't go that high. As for the comment about an atheist willing to debate? Maybe... Carcass - A Congealed Clot Of Blood

[@AnthonyCalderwood777]

no one cares if you are an atheist or not, why do all self-declared atheists have to start every sentence wity your crap believe system. atheists are same like religios zealots, seeking for discussions all the time and talking about the same nonsense all the time. watains lyrics are about honoring lucifer and qabalistic mysticism, hermetics, alchemy and so on, an atheists doesn't even understand what it's about. atheism is just a nonsense religion like others.

[@thisisnotmyrealname6990]

Armani Calderwood uh pretty sure atheism can’t be classified as a religion seeing as they don’t have a belief unless the rejection of a higher power and only the acceptance of science is enough to classify atheism as a religion

[@TheSomberlain93]

Interesting review, we need some Dissection on this show now. i'd recommend The Somberlain or Unhallowed

[@frankno2888]

i guess they are gonna love Reinkaos album , with the black n roll sound

[@Vahisofficial]

Eleven as One If older, the Nights Blood. Otherwise Dark Mother Divine or Black Dragon.

[@NainSembilan]

Eleven as One Maha Kali!

[@gape2782]

Agreed. I would love to hear their thoughts on some of Dissection's early music. They could even talk a bit about Jon's suicide being tied to his religious views.

[@postmortem8767]

has to be maha kali, where dead angels lie or unhallowed mainly as it'll be interesting with them reading the lyrics. Also I recommended this like 10 times now and still waiting haha, give me a second I'll spam their fb...

[@The_Pony]

I was just thinking how entertaining an interview between Vin and Sori and Abbath would be. Lol.

[@natalie-kj4om]

Yeah, I would love to see that.

[@The_Pony]

natalie or Fenriz cos he's a sweetie pie

[@natalie-kj4om]

Both.

[@The_Pony]

natalie I doubt they'd interview together but that could be fun. Or even getting Frost from Satyricon would be fun :) and Floor Jansen LOL

[@natalie-kj4om]

Not together of cause.

[@xRuralJuroRx]

Some tips for Black Metal: Emperor - Cosmic Keys To My Creations And Times Emperor - With Strength I Burn Emperor - Inno A Satana Emperor - The Acclamation of Bonds Emperor - Ensorcelled by Khaos Mayhem - Freezing Moon Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger Darkthrone - Under a Funeral Moon Darkthrone - Kathaarian Life Code Satyricon - The Dawn of a New Age

[@tommygibson9515]

Valsekongen this guy knows ^

[@fabiancastamere4761]

Agreed 100%

[@marekskalnik1439]

i would add Burzum and Shining :)

[@Frogemoth]

I would add: Satyricon - Mother North Immortal - Nebular Ravens Winter Immortal - Sons of Nothern Darkness Dissection - Where Dead Angels Lie Dissection - Night's Blood

[@Frogemoth]

Also, for a laugh: Impaled Nazarene - 1999: Karmageddon Warriors

[@thomasroll8451]

As far as I know "Chaos" doesn't have the same meaning in the chaos-gnostic belief system as in ordinary language. Chaos-Gnostics don't understand Chaos as a simple absence of rules but a transcendental power which intervenes in the world in mostly destructive ways. It is also often looked as a omnipotent substance (instead of God) or as a form of reality which has manifested before the rise of cosmic order (comparable to ancient egyptian cosmology). Chaos can also mean the confluence of opposites, like good and evil.

[@QuietProphetTheWickedWarlock]

Thomas Roll it’s the chaos that the ancient Mesopotamians & like you said Ancient Egyptians believed in. A primordial dimensión before the universe’s creation

[@willissudweeks1050]

To me they just mean freedom. Chaos is what destroys regimentation and is a fun wave to ride.

[@willissudweeks1050]

@@QuietProphetTheWickedWarlock Yes! They know they are one with the universe but aren't lame about it like new age dumb asses. I love their song "I am the earth".

[@thomasroll8451]

@Trent Adam „...Spread thine countless tentacles Across the universe Let them spasm throughout The labyrinth of trembling stars...“ (stellarvore) „...Hail! Hail! Thou who makes the cosmos wail! In anguish as we fuck the world And sodomize the god that failed...“ (reaping death) U still think that Watain is about being „one“ with the universe? If you understand universe as cosmos (which literally means „order“ in ancient greek) it should be clear that watain see themselves at war with it.

[@pablomaya2735]

Waters of Ain is definitely one of the Top10 best songs in the modern black metal era, that solo is insane and even better in the original recording. You talked about this band being just an act, I'd look more into it before making such a hasty assumption. You should try listening to Dissection (its band leader, Jon Nodtveidt, committed suicide with a shotgun in allegiance to this religious sect, and Erik Danielsson was their live session musician when he was a bassist), Night's Blood or Unhallowed. I like you guys and I like your channel. Cheers.

[@jdg1120]

Definitely a band they should do! Intelligent lyrics, good music, etc. Pretty much anything off of Storm of the Light's Bane works \m/

[@squashedeyeball]

16:50 Oh btw vin/sori, "Ain" (Pronounced as A-In), means "Where" in Hebrew. So when you write מאין, it's like writing "from where". So it's "the waters of where" (I guess, of where this wisdom he wants can be looked for and achieved). If you notice, in the background on the right side of their logo, there is this word exactly, אין. It is not to be confused with "Ein" (E-yn), which would either mean "nothing" (אין), or "the eye of" (עין).

[@syntheticsleep]

We definitely understand the "irony" of the order in music. It is, in fact, kind of the point that music and ritual, which are order, can be used as tools to access things that are outside of that order.

[@VinAndSori]

Ok I see that

[@devilmaggot44]

Not quite sure if it has been reviewed yet, but, I think Where Dead Angels Lie by Dissection would be an interesting listen and conversation.

[@MiPedoteTUMBA]

Malfeitor was such an awesome song! I don't think I would have come across it if you hadn't reacted to it! I'm looking forward to this review!

[@mabii777]

MiPedoteTUMBA hey bro as a fan of Watain i recomend you "they rode on" so you can see a total different side of them

[@SarahMcCormick95]

If you want to watch Watain in a lighter atmosphere, you should see if you can find their Bloodstock 2012 performance i'm pretty sure it's on youtube. I was there and they performed on the main stage just as the sun was going down and right before Behemoth headlining which gave it such a stunningly eerie feel but you could also see everything that was going on.

[@xlotuseater]

A Watain reaction?! I haven't been so excited for one of your videos. Haha

[@xlotuseater]

Mike Rukavina oh damn, don't know how I missed the first one. Thanks!

[@Timmorrisjr]

This is definitely Watain’s deepest song. Since you guys are Christian I’m sure you can at least relate somewhat to the depiction of entering death/the afterlife that is detailed in this track. Regarding Transylvania, I’m pretty sure it’s related to Jon Nödtveidt saying that he was going to Transylvania before he killed himself. I think it’s just symbolic of a dark afterlife. Also, I remember Erik saying in an interview that he’d much rather have a discussion about Watain’s beliefs with a Christian rather than an atheist because at least the Christian would understand the concepts that he talks about, whereas trying to explain these concepts to an atheist would be like talking to a brick wall. I think you guys understood these concepts very well, even if you didn’t agree with them.

[@julio.h.intxaustegi]

Vital Remains - Dechristianize

[@Mir1189]

Vital Remains - Dechristianize (2007 live at metalmania) :D

[@melkor5901]

Yaaaas

[@nihilist1280]

I don't think you understand what "chaos" in this sense means. It doesn't mean anarchy, it means creativity. You cannot have creativity within order, because you are confined to boundaries of that order. Chaos is a word used to describe liberation from these boundaries, and that's the principle of chaos-gnosticism.

[@SimonH109]

Your blackfire isn't particularly varied is it? :P Lots of Behemoth and now two Watain. How about branching out to Deathspell Omega? :)

[@rockyrockford2144]

Carcass

[@blairmitchell7419]

Simon Harris thrice :( boohoo. More behemoth.

[@dannysandoval5837]

Simon Harris need more cradle in here enough with these crappy bands

[@blairmitchell7419]

Danny Sandoval cradle and behemoth

[@rockyrockford2144]

Danny Sandoval cradle? They're your answer? Please

[@mridulmohan3213]

i didn't expect it.. i've seen a ton of your reviews.. but there was something special about this one.. love from India..

[@mokhron]

I haven‘t yet watched it (will be the highlight of my day), but thank you soooooooooooo much for another black fire show, finally :))) ! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

[@VinAndSori]

More coming soon.

[@moritzkrohn6908]

Watched it now and reaaally liked it :) ! Thank you so much! Before, I had no clue what 'ain' means, now I have. Two short comments: I don't think satanism is particular anti-female, for example just look at the songs 'Maha Kali' and 'Dark mother divine' of equally chaos gnostic satanist band Dissection. Second, I think they see chaos as also a source of endless potential and creativity since nothing new comes from order. People put everything to order, but initially everything new comes from the undefined, chaos.

[@MrSthorm96]

Why did you guys choose such terrible quality video? The Opus Diaboli version is so much better.

[@MarkBuckle]

Sori - "I felt sad" What a perfect reaction :)

[@heldertiago124]

Funny story, the vocalist from Watain once got knocked out by the ex vocalist from my old band because he was hitting on his wife. Good memories lol

[@JigglyRat69]

Hélder Tiago is this true? 😂

[@annamiller6338]

Whaa?)) Details pls 😂

[@ItsRamboCommando]

So this video is my first experience with your channel and there is so much I want to say. And almost all of it is very positive. I expected something MUCH more closed minded and critical. But this touches on a lot of things I myself as an agnostic would also mention. I love how knowledgeable you are on the topic and are still able to find something positive within something inherently negative (based on perspective). I found this video while looking up the video for this song because Im currently learning how to play it. And even though I separate myself from satanism, I still find myself listening to and learning from satanic music. So, to find out that others can still appreciate the music, and separate that from the lyrics, is quite refreshing. Your breakdown is very interesting and gave me a lot to think of. A few things to mention 1) The Necronomicon, and other satanic books refer to the Quabalistic tree of life quite a lot. Specifically when speaking of paths of life/death. So the reference to Ain isnt specifically a reference of Judism, but more than likely from authors such as Aliester Crowley and Kenneth Grant and how they use the Quabalistic Tree of Life/Death in their texts. 2) When speaking about chaos, it's within the mind that the workings of existence, scientifically speaking, are based on energies moving where energy mindless goes. Space as a whole, is rather chaotic. The Butterfly Effect of life is rather chaotic. Some quantum activities are chaotic. Some believe that ALL things are chaotic. But I, myself, find chaos and order to eventually be the same entity. "Lawlessness" is synonamous to chaos, hence the "Lawless Darkness" title to the CD. The existence without order. The inability to accept that there is a God creating order, where there is so much to finger as "chaotic". This goes into point 3 3) The whole "well if this happens, that negates the idea of chaos" topic sort of becomes null. The self is a creator and can control. Hence the ability to create a guitar solo. You basically become the God of your atmosphere and surroundings when you "control" or "create". That still doesnt mean all of existence is in order. That singular aspect at that time is order. We constantly create order with everything we do here. But then you could argue that WE are the Gods here. Which means when we die, there is no order anymore. Hence the notion of encompassing chaos. Also, chaos and order only applies as far as ones perception takes it. The same applies with good and evil. Honestly, there is so much to talk about with just these three points that I would just go on all day. I just wanted to toss something into the "pot of philosophy" here. Discussion and dialogue are ever important to discovering. This is why I choose to remain agnostic. You can question everything as long as you live, but in the end, not every question will have a perfect answer. Always listen.

[@ItsRamboCommando]

I wanted to add that, when speaking of the path of truth, arn't we all on this path? It's not always a choice for some people. Our minds and experiences are not equal. The path one walks is based on what is learned and experienced. Simply telling somebody what you believe will not be a learning experience to the person you told. There needs to be substance according to the criteria of the mind you are telling. If your dialogue does not hold substance to the person you are speaking to, then they will remain on the path they hold true. And honestly, truth is only in death. Sadly, we will not find absolute truth in life. Hence why people of religion use the word "faith" to explain their beliefs. What's interesting is sometimes, you will speak to a person who is obviously negating truth specifically to adhere to their ideals. And those people will feed false information to others, especially within lyrics. And when that comes about, how do you tell the difference from knowledge and experience from creative lies? Humans from the conception of recorded history have been known to hold agendas and venomous tongues. So with that, I leave you with a quote: "Will you love me now -you, whose feeling of dignity is a matter of subtraction? Will you love me -now that I have revealed your un-nakedness? Will you love me now -you, whose perception of justice equals your will to corrupt? Will you love me -when I cut through all the layers of your vanity? Will you love me now -you, who clings to a heart so fragile even your gods must suffer for you? Could you love truth? Could you love truth even in secrecy?" -Ihsahn

[@Renkaru]

There is a band called Batushka, who are a black/doom metal band that fuse those genres with Orthodox Catholic imagery and chants. I'd highly suggest checking out there music video for "Yekteníya IV Milost"

[@aamermahmoud5666]

Char Aznable I second this.

[@Svartsejd]

Why? The lyrics are in Russian, a language they don't speak. Which mean they can't react to it and break down the lyrics. Think before you drop a name for a reaction.

[@Renkaru]

There are translations of the songs, so think before ya reply in a douchebag like manner. And of course they can react to the music, which I believe they'll enjoy immensely.

[@aamermahmoud5666]

Svartsejd there's a translation and they said in their live stream they don't mind reacting to songs in other languages they'll react to the music only

[@opethdan2408]

Char Aznable I requested Batushka on another video. Can't wait to see their first show in NYC next month.

[@LordAsharak]

Funeral Mist - Agnus Dei Funeral Mist - Holy Poison Funeral Mist - Jesus Saves! Or anything from Funeral Mist really. Think it's time you went into something really chaotic and violent.

[@Dauthaz]

Agreed. Holy Poison!

[@Fred-ck1gh]

Blessed curse!

[@darkmarv8045]

The solo of Waters of Sin is fantastic. One of the best black metal solo along with the solo of Freezing Moon by Mayhem, Spleen by Peste Noire, Sinn Koronation by Katharsis, Valkyrie by Nokturnal Mortum, Dark Mother Divine by Dissection and Triumphant Gleam by Darkthrone.

[@Dean4471]

It's pretty good as far as black metal solos go. In the grand scheme of metal, it's nothing special.

[@StuTheSoftwareAnalyst]

Gorgoroth - Prosperity and Beauty at Wacken 2008. The live gig i feel will give you a great sense of their identity and stage presence. By the way Transylvania is not fictional. Its a primarily forested sect of Romania. Reference in the song may not have been strictly to "Dracula" Cheers!

[@AeolethNionian]

I love that line, "Do not mistake me for a star, though I'll shine like one at night, but behold instead the darkness between them, the devil's light." Reference to the morningstar being venus, reference to Satan being a deceiver, saying that he will appear divine in dark times, and the darkness being his light is interesting since light can be black which makes Lucifer a deeper title. Perfect description of Satan. Also Dracula = Vlad The Impailer a real person. The place where Dracula was is now modern day Transylvania. And it's possibly a reference to early black metal Transylvanian Hunger by Darkthrone. And Vampires are the most deceptive killers in lore. Seducing their victims and draining them of their blood to replace it with their own to corrupt them. Being associated with Transylvania there's probably symbolism there.

[@pierreogeryd2869]

Transylvania is used as a symbol for death, it was mentioned several times by Mayhem vocalist Dead and Jon Nödtveidt of Dissection told a friend shortly before he ended his physical life "I'm going away for a long, long time. I'm going to Transylvania.".

[@endlessend381]

Indeed the solo is amazing. It was written by Selim Lemouchi of The Devil's Blood. On another note, The Devil's Blood have a song called "The Yonder Beckons" in which the lyrics were written by the singer of Watain.

[@adan1272]

For some reason that solo sounds familiar to the 3rd solo in fade to black.

[@riivaus]

I think that Transylvania term in lyrics refers to Mayhem band's singer Per 'Dead' Ohlin. The same man killed himself and wore a shirt that stated "I

[@stephenmolag8634]

Check out Dissection - Where Dead Angels Lie. One of Watain's longtime guitarists used to play in Dissection, until the the band's frontman committed suicide.

[@AMous-lc4xe]

You were close to Gleaning in the beginning. You spiraled off the longer you went on. You are misinterpreting hell in the context of Anti Cosmic Satanism. Hell is returning to the formless void where all are one. You need to try to understand this from a semi Buddhist/Hindu perspective as in Yahweh is the demiurge and until receive the gnosis of chaos you can not escape from this plain of false existence. Think along the lines of the allegory of the cave wall.

[@crimsondeath7468]

Next Watain song you should react to is : THEY ROAD ON! Its a song where Erik actually sings with normal clean vocals

[@h2jkfvhdhnenrjf]

Lyrics: Take me home Ye beckoning ocean waves! My vessel is prepared Eagerly, my spirit yearns Through the gates, Transylvania calls Anointed am I Exalted on a course to man averse Cloven-hooved my footsteps be The self withdrawn Expanding as the rays of death illuminate The bridge and the path to the waters of Ain Where no corner's define To the waters of Ain Where no circles confine To the waters of Ain To the twilight of time To the Death To unmask the featureless face and know its numbing beauty To remove the fig leaf from her cunt and enter Beyond! To pluck the fruits forbidden Ye grapes most ripe, ye blessings of the underworld Unleash your bitter rivers Burn this tongue of mine Oh wormwood sweet Damnation's infernal wine From the waters of Ain Where no corner's define From the waters of Ain Where no circles confine Flow, ye waters of Ain As wormwood and wine To the Death! Their waters as one water in a stream against all streams Sweet and salt now intermingle in the waking veins of Kingu The havens tower in the yonder now Where my vessel shall set sail A voyage without end across the ageless waters To shine beyond Do not mistake me for a star Though I’ll shine like them at night But behold instead the darkness in between them The Devil’s light Fearless I tread at the outpost The brilliant abode of the dark At the bridge from the known to the great unseen I shall not linger Saturn, great dark in the yonder I give you my soul to devour So that I may be judged in your deathlike glare And purified For thou art the wisdom’s keeper The shoreline where truth shall unwind A truth that in life I am doomed to search But shall die to find And so his burning ship departs out from these shores Never to return And so he sets his sail Towards the setting sun at the end of the world

[@a7n141]

The Wild Hunt or They Rode on next please, those songs (and the album they're from) are masterpieces. That album is perfect imo. If you want something new check out Night's Blood by Dissection, Dissection had similar beliefs too to Watain.

[@LOLcifer_]

Great intepretation! If you do another Watain song, check out "They Rode On", it's basically a ballad influenced by the the European myth of the "The Wild Hunt" and by the 1985 western novel Blood Meridian. Erik sings in totally clean vocals on this track.

[@PeAcHeS1349]

Watain got their name from an old recording of a band called Von, the meaning of the word is unknown as far as I know. Aparently the songwriter for Von is known to ju make up words to use for song titles. Some suggest it could be a version of Wōtan, the name for Odin in old high german. Regarding the question of chaos in something like music that has order: Ordo ab chao, chao ab ordo, perhaps?

[@adamhossman1303]

Helldriller "Wat" is a Thai word for "temple", "Ain" is Aramaic for "nothingness". The literal translation of the name is Temple of Nothingness.

[@PeAcHeS1349]

Adam Hossman learning something new every day.

[@sallbanjoman1790]

actually Dracula's real name was Vlad dracul (Vlad devil) or Vlad tepes he was a Romanian Count who lived betwen 1431 to 1476 and was called that because he tended to impale hes enemies on wooden stakes and some rumored he would drink the blood of hes enemies and from there came the Tale of the Dracula the vampire

[@d_walsh]

The New Watain album comes out April 29th. Maybe you all can react to the whole album. First album in 4 years for them.

[@thorwulfx1]

The solo was legit, my favorite part of the song. I think that the concept of the lyrics is one that has been done and redone over the years. For instance, the basic thrust of it is almost exactly the same as Manowar's "Bridge of Death" from 1984. Different words, different tune, same idea. To give one's self to the devil freely, not as fearful object of punishment, but a willing prospective employee. The response of Christians is likely to be, "That's not how hell works. That's not how any of this works." I suppose the great difference lies in that some bands are simply exploring the idea because it sounds bad ass and metal, while others are really living the life. I suppose I can understand the idea of being a Satanist if it serves to make your life one you better understand, allowing you to overcome obstacles and be the person you hope to be. In the same way, if being a member of any faith helps you find peace and solace, giving you some greater purpose, I am for it, provided that it doesn't move you to the desire to harm others or increase the level of misery in the world. For me, I'm happy enough not knowing. Whatever I find out upon the moment of my death, I will find out. If this beautiful universe is only the beginning of my journey, then all the better. If I am but an ephemeral flicker upon the deep ocean's cresting wave, so be it. I will have lived the best I know how, and tried to add lightness to the world.

[@nils5471]

14:05 That "this is the shit"- pointing 😁

[@syntheticsleep]

You should not assume that they don't respect women. I think that there is actually far more respect than what we are surrounded with in our culture today.

[@qelipothaumiel]

Crazy you mentioned the word lawlessness because the song is from a album called Lawless Darkness:D Same as Malfeitor.

[@ErinWi]

"Truth that unwinds": what if it's a two-pronged metaphor? The truth "unwinds" like a spool of thread, becoming fulling known only at the point of death, but it also "unwinds" the dying individual, revealing everything about them, and so forth.

[@Asterocampa73]

Transylvania refers to the letter that Jon Nodtveit wrote before his suicide, he wrote that he will have a long travel to Transylvania.

[@DarrenWaters75]

R.I.C. Selim! WFFW!

[@ardaona]

that "dont worship the devil" at the end was such an obligatory disclaimer moment. :D

[@sdmfanthony5649]

He was right about The Devil's Light part, in theory, I guess, since Lucifer means light bringer. Damn good music and solo though.

[@ms.felonystrutter2472]

WATAIN RULE ALL BLACK METAL and the solo is payed by SL who took his own life, may his star roam freely..

[@mattevans923]

Felony Strutter SL of the 'devils blood' (lower caps intentional !) played his one and only solo on 'lawless darkness' not on this track !

[@ms.felonystrutter2472]

HELLO..THE MAN PLAYED ON THIS TOUR WITH THEM....DID YOU NOT KNOW? On the Decibel Mag tour he was on stage with them every night because SET is not allowed in the USA. I was not talking about the Lawless Darkness album. You are watch SL on stage on this video...

[@AlpVonTrier]

@@mattevans923 sl wrote this song's solo. That's why Erik hasn't been singing this song at concerts for years for the memory of Selim.

[@yggdasil]

Transylvania is probably a reference to the swedish black metal legend Deads last photo where he is wearing a "I love Transylvania" t-shirt. Jon from Dissection said in one of the last interviews that he was going to "Transylvania". Few days later he was found dead, blew his brains out just like Dead. Difference was that Jon did it in a ritualistic setting.

[@yggdasil]

Check out the picture on the bootleg "Dawn of the Black Hearts".

[@lazaroborges9609]

I'd suggest Dissection - The Somberlain or Spawn of Possession - The Apparition

[@melkor5901]

Mirzuth oh fuck yeah spawn of possession

[@Swaggycat_yt]

I think the most important thing about this video is that Selim Lamouchi(RIP) is playing in this, he was an incredible guitarist a very unique and intelligent man. A true warrior and individual. He was definitely gone too soon.

[@vitakulaa]

burzum DUNKELHEIT PLZZZ

[@The_Pony]

vitakula akhilsai YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[@Aevius1200]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Any Burzum will do.

[@The_Pony]

Alec Ashmore agreeeeee!

[@VinAndSori]

Title?

[@The_Pony]

VinAnd Sori kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqiQp2WofdN3d6M

[@misanthrophy666o2]

Only in classic music i think exits the same variety of beauty and sadness even darkness not to mention the musically complexity

[@melvinandrade2682]

Poets of the Fall - Carnival of Rust, Drama for Life and Choice Millionaire Machine Head - A Farewell to Arms, Descend the Shades of Night and Imperium Linkin Park - Given Up

[@vladradulescu6113]

It's a good thing you react to non-mainstream metal acts.

[@alanthompson2753]

Watain are great...BUT, if you're looking for their idols and the perfect band for a Black Fire episode is Dissection. They were theistic Satanists who worshipped in the cult of the Misanthropic Luciferian Order( MLO) who believe in Azerate, 11 demons as 1 led by Satan to take down the Demiurge (creator God who they think is a tyrant) and bring chaos (infinite realms, whereas we live in the cosmos which are 3 dimensions). The lead guitarist and vocalist John Nodveigt killed himself in 06

[@frankno2888]

thanks a lot for this one , you cheered me up a little bit , let say someone broke my heart yesterday and i was (am) not really alright , so thanks it made me forget a little bit

[@perennialcoma]

A fucking great video. I enjoy your Watain videos a lot. And again, I need to ask for THERION - LAND OF CAANAN

[@alanthompson2753]

So glad you did this, hoped for the studio version though

[@QuietProphetTheWickedWarlock]

Here’s a part of their Bible I copied and pasted to understand what they believe in a little better. Hope this helped: 1. Genesis In the beginning, there was nothing but the energy of Chaos. Absu and Tiamat slept, and dreamed their darkest dreams. And all was good until their dark dreams began to spawn the cosmic gods. Tiamat and Absu were disgusted by these abominations. Their wailing disturbed Tiamat’s and Absu’s sleep. Absu and Tiamat agreed that these worthless abominations must be destroyed. Enki, the self-proclaimed leader of the cosmic gods, formulated a most evil plan: he would kill Absu to protect himself. Enki proceeded to trick Absu, which resulted in the death of Absu. Upon hearing what happened to Absu, Tiamat was in a rage. She prepared for war against these useless gods. She created an army of ferocious demons to battle the worthless gods. The anti-cosmic gods were spawned from the force of Chaos itself to assist in the battle. In the meantime, Enki made love to his whore, and his son Marduk was born. They named the birthplace of Marduk the Temple of Absu, an ultimate blasphemy to Absu himself. Marduk became the leader of the cosmic gods. Kingu, a top-ranking demon of Tiamat, was captured and imprisoned by Marduk and his forces. Marduk, being a power-hungry whore, decided to confront Tiamat. He sliced her in half, and from one half he created Heaven (his kingdom), and with the other half, he created the Earth. Marduk needed a creation to rule over to satisfy his thirst for power. He decided to create man. But in order top do that, he needed the blood of a god, and none of the cosmic gods were brave enough to sacrifice themselves. They debated about what to do, and finally decided on a plan: they would kill Kingu. Marduk mixed Kingu’s red blood with the red clay, and man was born. What Marduk did not realize was that because humans had the blood of Kingu, they would eventually turn against him. And the anti-cosmic gods had one more trick up their sleeve: Satan. Satan was spawned from Chaos to counter the creation of the Earth and man, and he soon became the leader of the anti-cosmic gods. 2. Life on Earth Man began to evolve on Earth. Civilizations were spawned, and great inventions were made. Marduk took on a new identity: The Demiurge. He presented himself in many different ways to many different cultures. He was known as Marduk by the Sumerians, Ra by the Egyptians, Yahweh by the Israelites, Zeus by the Greeks, etc. His one demand was total compliance and worship. The Demiurge was pleased with his creation, and was pleased that they were following him like sheep. As time went on, some began to drift away from worshipping the Demiurge. They began to question his existence. These people were labeled as “heretics” and were shunned and persecuted. Some even began to worship Satan, who was there to fight the Demiurge. Satan appeared before many people, and had many names: Typhon, Ahriman, Set, Loki, Samael, etc. The Demiurge made sure that Satan was vilified in every religion, in hope of making humanity fear what was considered to be “evil”. The Demiurge had one goal: to keep his people blind and ignorant so that they will follow him. Satan has one goal: to avenge the death of Kingu by destroying the Demiurge. Because humans had the blood of Kingu, they would slowly turn against the Demiurge. Satan was there to speed up the process. Satan would awaken their black flames, the very flames that the Demiurge tired to extinguish. The flames that would make men onto gods. The black flame is the product of Kingu’s blood. It is the “divine spark” that is in man. The Demiurge seeks to extinguish it, to keep men from becoming gods. Satan offers to rekindle the black flame, making man into god. Man is faced with a decision: side with Satan and become a god, or side with the Demiurge and be limited by the constraints of the cosmos. Those that side with the Demiurge in the end times will be destroyed along with the foolish Demiurge. 3. The Laws The Demiurge made many foolish laws, while Satan only has one law, which is total lawlessness. A Satanist spits at the laws of the Demiurge and the laws of men. He is above such things. While there are no strict laws a Satanist must follow, there are some guidelines that will lead to a better life on Earth. They are as follows: 1. Do unto others as they do unto you. If a man strikes you on the cheek, destroy him. If a person shows you love, show them love. 2. Mercy is for the weak masses. Show no mercy towards your enemies. May your hatred towards them burn as bright as a thousand suns. 3. Practice indulgence, but not compulsion. Abstinence leads to misery, but so does over-indulgence. 4. The strong must use terror to make themselves heard over the waling of the inferior majority. 5. Make war for the sake of war, for combat separates the sheep from the wolves. 6. Know thyself. Self knowledge is the key to perfection. 7. The weak masses are trapped by morality. The Satanist is beyond such constructs. 8. The Satanist should strive to create a fascist society in which the strong rule over the weak. Communism and Socialism must be fought, as they seek to have everyone wallow in mediocrity. Might is right. 9. The Satanist should be prepared to sacrifice his own life if necessary to hasten the return of the dark gods. 10. Weakness must never be tolerated. Annihilate the weak! 11. In order to have chaos, there first must be order. 12. Honor the anti-cosmic gods. 13. If someone is bothering you, ask them to stop. If they persist, annihilate them. 14. Pursue undefiled wisdom, and flee from self-deceit. Be one that will receive the burning rays of gnosis. 4. The Gods The cosmic gods are worthless abominations that must be destroyed. They disrupted the flow of Chaos and disturbed Tiamat and Absu. The Demiurge (Marduk) created humans to be his slaves. Humans are bound to the shackles of the cosmos for all eternity, damned to a life of servitude. The burning path of Satanism offers freedom for this miserable existence. The anti-cosmic gods are as follows: Satan Molock Beelzebub Lucifuge Rofocale Asmodeus Astaroth Belphegor Adramelech Baal Lilith Naamah As you can clearly see, the anti-cosmic gods outnumber the cosmic gods. This puts “evil” at an advantage. Satan is the leader of the anti-cosmic gods, and was spawned from the raging chaos itself. The anti-cosmic gods unite to form Azerate, the eleven-headed dragon of Chaos, the one that burns holes in the universe itself so that Chaos may flood through. Azerate and the raging Chaos shall vanquish the useless cosmic gods, and the Ancient Ones (beings that predate time itself) shall rip the Earth in two. 5. The Ancient Ones The Ancient Ones are primal beings from the first creation. They loathe the filthy cosmic gods. The Ancient Ones weald unrefined power in its’ original and chaotic state, and they are the beginning and the end. They eternally desire to bring the outside into the inside and cause existential decompression, causing catastrophic results for materialization and form. In other words, bringing forth the original chaos. They will destroy the Demiurge’s worthless creation, and spare those that have their black flame ignited. The Ancient Ones desire to unify with Tiamat, and will end this existence. A new dark aeon will be begin, as all returns to primordial nothingness. Chaos will reign supreme. All that dare oppose the Ancient Ones shall be destroyed. There is no stopping them or controlling them.

[@paladineXD]

One of my fave songs, never heard this live version. Its beautiful.

[@shadewitch333]

Interesting that you guys would touch upon "the Featureless Face line,as this piece is In Memorium to their close friend,Jon Nodveigt (DISSECTION)

[@megazombien]

Gorgoroth- Carving a giant (uncensored) Belphegor- Baphomet Dissection- Maha kali

[@AphoticOctopus]

In terms of chaos, it is limitless; therego anything is possible. It could be argued complexity has a greater potential in pure chaos. Things more complex than order could ever allow due to it's limitations.

[@TheIncredibleEgg]

As for the band members happiness. I have aquintances who has met them. The lead singer is somewhat approachable. The lead-singer of their co-band Dissection, killed himself for religious purposes, after having been released from prison for a murder that was done in a park next to where i live. Another thing to understand, is that very little of this is about entertainment

[@JM-jx7vk]

Transylvania refers to Dead of Mayhem who said before he commited suicide that I will go to Transylvania. He also wore a shirt " Il love Transylvania", so Watain here is referring to suicide.

[@JM-jx7vk]

Also Nödtveidt from Dissection said before he commited suicide something that he will be going to a trip to Transylvania which refers to the tragic end of Dead of Mayhem,

[@salamut2202]

Vin, I think you might want to read more into postmodernism a bit more because you use some of their rationale. Postmodernism stems as a lashback against modernism which asserted that traditional forms of art, architecture, literature, religious faith, philosophy, social organization, activities of daily life, and even the sciences, were becoming ill-fitted to their tasks and outdated in the new economic, social, and political environment of an emerging fully industrialized world. It also, characteristically, saw a conforming of different peoples and that,though rejecting the certainty of the enlightenment, saw its development as leading to a convergence of human development - rejecting these things are what lead to postmodernism. It's more than just normative relativism When you were responding to Sori's dismay that the vocalist was "misinformed about his conviction", you assured her that you could widen your view to entertain his perspective and see it from the view of you guys just being "on another team". THAT entertainment of thought, Vin, was very postmodernist of you ;)

[@erhangenc605]

empyrium-the ensemble of silence empyrium-mourners empyrium-ode to melancholy very melancholy band thanks

[@RevelationNone]

I actually was listening to this earlier and thought I would love to see them do this. One of my favorites from Watain

[@RevelationNone]

I haven't seen that live video but they were playing like shit that night

[@RevelationNone]

Long songs are normal in black metal

[@RevelationNone]

Want complete random music listen to blut Aus nord. Completly fucked up chaos

[@fmorin71234]

Celtic Frost A dying god coming to human flesh please

[@faxardebatintenebris]

I believe the solo you liked was played and written by Selim Lemouchi of the band The Devil's Blood (occult/psychedelic rock), you should check them out, some otherworldly lyrics and music there. Sad fact: Selim killed himself in a smiliar manner as Jon Nödtveidt from Dissection who took his own life as a part of a ritual. About the misinformation you talk about, it's worth keeping in mind that from their point of view you're the misinformed one so there's that. Erik from Watain (the frontman) seems to be a really eloquent and well thought guy so he knows well what he's doing with all this.

[@richardmerkin69]

Primordial - As Rome Burns Pagan blackened metal from Ireland. You will not be disappointed.

[@dannysandoval5837]

Swansong for a raven by cradle of filth! Its a sequel to her ghost in a fog. Amazing song and lyrics

[@cle3992]

And this goes out to everyone that's listening to us I'm watching this unfold now you know what these people really are

[@e.m.hcarnicero1321]

Deicide - Homage for Satan I believe yall will enjoy AT LEAST the solo from Ralph Santolla. RIP Ralph Santolla

[@moai834]

Do more progressive stuff please. Like this: Ayreon - The Day That The World Breaks Down (11 famous singers in one song, concept album) BTBAM - Ants Of The Sky or White Walls (Brutal prog metal with elements of fun, concept album) Haken - Falling Back To Earth (Buildup and resolution at finest, concept album) Next to None - The Wanderer (Tehno elements in a song, 18-19 years old) Native Construct - Mute (Prog metal orchestra, Devin Townsend feel, concept album) Intervals - Epiphany (Djazz (Djent + Jazz), instrumental) Leprous - Bilateral (New prog with old feel)

[@moai834]

Orange Man Good suggestion, but TDTTWBD is better for first listen.

[@moai834]

Orange Man Yeah that would be cool. Maybe Native Construct also.

[@rileyrose1518]

Talk with Nergal from Behemoth. That would be awesome.

[@annamiller6338]

I don't think either Nergal or Erik would ever want to waste their time on shit like this 😂 the discussion is doomed from the beginning... I have really no idea what they can discuss in a constructive way whatsoever 😀

[@thisisnotmyrealname6990]

Anna Miller it would just be another mindless and pointless interview

[@joeyuzwa891]

Nergal would do nothing but call them idiots, it’d be pointless.

[@FutileGrief]

My dudes, you should react to Emperor! Inno a Satana (like hymn to satan)

[@unapologeticallylivinwitho1312]

ThatOnePerson Freaking awesome song, though singing a hymn to Satan is retarded.

[@nerdbeef1196]

OMFG That fucking sentence "Do not mistake me for a star"

[@someonesusingmyname]

To strive for chaos is not anti-order, it's anti /imposed/ order. Ideally, energy can be ordered to impose or enact your own will.

[@Fred-ck1gh]

The live version on the live album/DVD Opus Diaboli is even more epic!

[@Orthae]

Sori, when asking about the star in a circle, it's called a "Pentagram" when people who believe in magic or witchcraft/sorcery use it, it's a symbol of protection, when casting spells to protect during vulnerable moments. Or if it's inverted, it's called a "Sigil of Baphomet". Which has a bunch of different meanings.

[@moetasimrady8876]

Between the buried and me- White Walls

[@EvilAndHate]

The lyric part ”Transylvania calls” means pretty much that death is calling. Pelle ”Dead” Ohlin wore a shirt with I love transylvania on it when he killed himself and Jon Nödtveidt of Dissection told he was going to visit transylvania when he killed himself. So Eriks lyrics from this song when he mention transylvania has nothing to do with Dracula.

[@ShadyLurker84]

Trivia: Ghost wrote the song "He Is" after the guitarist in this video, the one who plays the solo, killed himself. He was a good friend of the band.

[@douglas2510]

You guys are awesome. Is so nice to see how you two talks so naturally. Life lesson listening to your talk not only for christians but to every human creature. I would love to talk to you guys one day.

[@crimsondeath7468]

YES THANK YOU. The guy who played the solo is Selim Lemouchi of a band called "the devils blood". He was also a chaos/gnostic satanist and he killed himself in 2013. The Transilvania line is a inside reference to death/suicide in black metal culture. The reason for this is because Pelle Ohlin of the band Mayhem shoot himself while wearing a "I love Transilvania" T-shirt. Mayhem was one of the first black metal bands

[@onegiantconsciousness]

I absolutely love what you guys do to dissect lyrics and try to understand what artists are sharing; comparing them to your beliefs and not judging. I'd love to debate with you why you believe yours or their beliefs are right. But I understand how important it is to believe you know, or think what the right belief is. The thought of no direction is more tumultuous than just picking one. I'd welcome a debate of ideology validation vs accepting confusion. This coming from someone who wants absolute s too, yet takes comfort in the truth that reality is a blurring line, and cannot be defined, nor taken gratification from. Sure, that's were gratification from faith comes in, yet, faith has no gratification, just a carrot on a stick. I do it too

[@VinAndSori]

Sure email me [e-mail]

[@TheIncredibleEgg]

Giving you thumbs up for the honest attempt. Love the song because its a celebration of death. Perefect ending song.

[@chris22121]

Thanks a ton for doing my request!!!!! I would love to do an intellectual/philosophical debate or chat sometime. Hopefully it works out. :)

[@VinAndSori]

Welcome!

[@Vinter2805]

Really interesting review! you are doing a nice job cutting the layers of the song meanings! I would like to propose you two to make a reaction video for "The Silence of Abel" from the german band Ascension it's kinda like Watain but different in some perspectives. From an interview when they were asked about the meaning of the song he answered: "The Silence of Abel deals with this subject although it´s more focused on the murder than the murderer, as well as its universal, spiritual impact. It´s about where we come from and what we are. It is about our predisposition to commit sin and its necessity. The chalice is broken and we won´t achieve completion by putting the pieces back together." I think you would make a great analysis of these lyrics!

[@neonrain9563]

I said it before and say it again you need to hear dissection,as watain would say,the ways of old.... they quite often play the somberlain by dissection as an encore as the last song at their shows as a tribute to their masters Erik also played bass in dissection on their final tour

[@Ssomberlain]

I might be wrong, but in this live video they have a session guitarist - Selim Lemouchi, which was the leader of a band named "The Devils Blood", its not black metal, more like a 70's rock, but this guy was an interesting person, sadly he killed himself, I recommend you to listen to his music!

[@immaculatemisconception24]

One of my Instagram friends suggested Waters Of Ain and holy crap I was mind blown!

[@shashvutyechuri3197]

They should've listened to the "opus diaboli" version. It would've been better and much bad ass.

[@chonkyhonky517]

Awsome vid like always love you guys 💕😁

[@IntergalacticApeMan]

The revelation I got from this is: Hell is computing Pi to the last digit. Complexity is finding the periodic function in it. Faith is working with the approximation.