Hobby Advice & Getting Armies Painted - Warhammer Weekly 09042024

[@grit5941]

Yes! I’d love to watch you and Ninjon paint and chat! THAT is what I’d put on while I’m painting!!

[@McWerp]

Yup id watch the trash talk with glee

[@banditgaming6351]

Agreed! Sounds perfect for background chatter while painting.

[@beebeebees]

That video with ninjon was such a fun one and the only downside is that it isnt longer tbh.

[@der_mind_blender313]

+2

[@northstartaxadvice8251]

Yeah, I would watch that!

[@derekgehring2771]

Vince as always the best AoS and hobby content. KZbin knows this so they set an ad every 6 or so minutes. It's just brutal.

[@VinceVenturella]

Stupid KZbin, this has now been fixed.

[@beebeebees]

Probably my favorite warhammer weekly so far, as im always a fan of hearing the opinions of people who know what theyre doing. That bit about how it doesnt matter how long i spend on my first projects, they are always gonna look like they are my first projects, is something i really needed to hear tbh!

[@McWerp]

Id love a Vince V vid about what you can use pens and metal pens for!

[@aquaristpodcast]

I will never get tired of the Aquarium Co-Op super glue shoutouts! Thanks for the love Tom and Vince!

[@VinceVenturella]

It's just amazing stuff!

[@brandonburrow8632]

I would watch Vince and Ninjon paint in silence. Chat and banter would just be icing on that cake.

[@ruddendave]

Geese evolve into swans, swans evolve into T-Rexes. That's just science.

[@wtfserpico]

I would watch every ep of you and Ninjon talk-and-paint.

[@NapGod]

1:23:58 I wanted to add that "done" doesn't have to mean "finished". I try to build-in natural stopping points in my painting plan. Get everything basecoated, highlighted, based, and from there you can keep working on the army while taking it to tournaments. Like, when I was playing OBR I had this annoyingly tedious scheme for the bone color and texture, but I had it broken in stages so the models just slowly got more detailed with every GT I took them to. The only tricky part is making sure you stop at the same painting step for the whole army. So long as it looks cohesive on the table, it'll be fine. It took months to finish the army and Katakros almost took a whole year, but that's a way I came up with so that I could both get the army "done" so I could play with my toys without sacrificing the quality I wanted when it was finally "finished". hope that helps someone.

[@ThePompousPeasant]

I love this guy, just found him and learning a good bit about the hobby of miniature painting.

[@VinceVenturella]

Thanks! Glad to have you along on the hobby journey!

[@loganicles]

I just bought the complete Dirty Down pack of 4 off of ebay last week at a killer price and have been using them nonstop. Now I need to find these new products! Dirty Down products are a total game changer!!!

[@MrZippidydoodahh]

I just keep coming back to this episode to keep me on track

[@benstaffordson7163]

A medium you didn't mention - gouache. NOT the acrylic gouache you reviewed previously, but the older, simpler gouache. You paint it on, it's fairly matte... and after it dries you can reactivate it with water. And pull it down. Similar effect to oils. Marco at NJM displayed them on his SCE dude on bird-horse-thing recently, was a great medium to use.

[@RadioFreeHammerhal]

Important addition on vizzik - if he's nit using the intervention to pray off turn he also isn't taking the -1 penalty

[@scotchandhobbies5674]

Badger Patriot is my go to airbrush for 90% of my airbrush painting, it's great for it's $75 ish pricetag. Also completely agree about the new army painter line, they are a huge step up from the old line, but I still prefer Reaper as my go to paint line

[@scottpfaff7804]

One thing I can’t live without anymore is a good brush soap. It helps keep my brushes “fresh”

[@gaijin_lfc]

I know you've obviously heard plenty about it but I don't think you can do better than the new Vallejo range. Good working time, good matte finish that isn't as coarse as S75, etc.. It's very similar to the Ak 3rd gen range. Hearing your comments I'm really curious about the Fanatic line though. In Japan we don't get many options, but TAP tends to be available, alongside Vallejo and Mig.

[@AndICanTalk2]

I would watch you and Jon paint for an hour for sure. Loved that video.

[@VinceVenturella]

Maybe one day!

[@solidsentinel1285]

Yes please, I need more warhammer long form to get me through the work week

[@VentiChristopher]

I would legitimately watch Vince and Jon paint and chat! That would be cool

[@OleIngvarStene]

Airbrush purchase tip: Lots of people give up on airbrushing pretty quickly and sell their kits. Thus, it is surprisingly easy to get a good, barely used airbrush and/or compressor pretty cheap if you ask around a bit!

[@Fortunes.Fool.]

1:25:16 Vince does a great impression of a compressor LOL

[@redsven7624]

Hell yes to paint and gibber Best advise I got from you that helped most, don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. Been finishing way more models, and quality seems to be increasing. It's still decent tabletop to my view but that's my goal. Just painting regularly does so much for speed and brush control, and getting stuff finished makes me paint more. On the battle tomes I think all issues are exacerbated by the 3 year cycle, and quarterly tweaking*. They have made them a disposable product and want premium prices, it doesn't add up. *that cadence works for tournament play, not casual play. It should not be necessary but reality is their process doesn't make good books ... probably because I can't imagine the development timeline is sufficient for any designer to catch all the issues

[@TheKielecki]

Fully would watch painting streams, and probably paint along with yall

[@hll705]

42:23 never underestimate GWs ability to miscommunicate.

[@thelonelybolter8245]

GW never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[@perfidy1103]

Can I make a request Vince: when you do the Skaven review, can you go over existing index units in full detail rather than just skip over them as being the same as the index?

[@McWerp]

Yeah a lot of 40k creators did this and missed some big changes. While the first few codexes shared a lot, as it got farther on they got lazier and lazier and missed more and more of the changes.

[@perfidy1103]

@@McWerp I'm less worried about changes (I'm confident Vince will catch them) and more that the previous Skaven overview being part of the Chaos index means it was less in depth than a full battletome one would be.

[@tomsnoxell8402]

He did a really good video on the skaven index already.

[@spatzilly]

I appreciated this show! Helped me get a full sleep last night.

[@VinceVenturella]

Great to hear!

[@baynenothos]

My tips to our newer guys when they want to come along with the club to a tournament but are worried about getting painting done in time is to first off, put a squad on the painting table and do a colour a night while your doing other stuff. Its barely any prep, cause its just one colour and you don't have to do any thinking or choices. You find out super quickly that you do have 5-15 mins around the place while doing other things to get that colour done. Cooking dinner, paint while cooking. Wondering what to do that evening, paint while pondering. Watching Warhammer Weekly, paint while watching. Units get done SO fast. After that I'm a big fan of lying to yourself. That Gargant is the same as that Clanrat, 1 model. Makes finishing up that squad of chaff a big morale boost as you didn't paint 10 nerds who will die turn 1, you painted like 20% of what you needed to get done! Finally I do what I call Operation Harassment, where in the club group chat I spam the fuck out of it demanding to know what everyone has gotten done and showing off what I've done. Chat firing off gets peoples attention and painting as a group helps motivate to get it done. I start off way out at once a week and get more frequent up to every night in the fortnight before.

[@davidcampbell621]

Maybe the later books will have more new content, but it was pretty clear (to me) that the first couple books wouldn't change much when stormcast and skaven had some pretty significant rules changes between the 3e rules and the index. I don't think they would have prioritized updating the skaven and stormcast rules if they were only going to last 2 months.

[@MrSJPowell]

Speaking of painting for your games, much of what I'm painting right now is for Space Station Zero. I'm currently working on 4 different squads for it, mostly because I've had 3 different projects for Space Marines noodling around in the brain for years, and only painting 5-10 of them is a lot easier than painting 30-50 of them for an army. (The 4th squad is one I'm priming and base coating with an airbrush for a buddy who's painted a total of 2-3 minis ever. Plan to teach and help him with them Saturday night.) Eventually I'll get back to the Skaventide Stormcast I paused because I finally opened the floodgates with these Marines I'd had on pause since March.

[@itsjustj6205]

I hit the like button and now stoop wasn't afraid to leave his stoop

[@stevelewis2658]

I tried painting Kruleboyz in 3rd edition, but grew tired of the grunge. So I switched to a more vibrant color scheme with blues and pinks and I am having a blast painting them. I have about 25 gutrippaz, 3 crossbows, and the Vulcha to finish off about 2500 points

[@traiantulbure3819]

Thank you for mentioning the battletome situation! It’s insane to me that these undercooked index rules might be everything that’s intended to carry us through 4’th edition! There is not a chance in any hell that I’d even consider buying a book unless they expand the rules and I’ll struggle to maintain the mildest interest throughout the edition if the weak index rules are everything we get. It’s wild to me that GW might not understand this. I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about it.

[@greglewinski2088]

Seems to make sense that you could even just buy the index cards (if you don't have a printer) and just make the small updates to those when the army book comes out. I mean I play NH, FEC and S2D and there are several units that really didn't even change from 3rd. Not going to spend $35 to $40 on new cards when they will admit the old ones won't change much

[@kyles8707]

Vince do you do any kind of warmup before painting the way someone might sketch before drawing or practice scales before singing? I imagine at this point you don’t really need to but I’ve never heard of any kind of “warm-ups” in the mini-painting space and I’m curious what form it would take.

[@thesoothsayer9223]

Little hobby every day is key. Im an insanely busy working dad and i dont have the luxury of me time. But im still finishing an army this year with micro sessions any time i can get a literal minute free. Even if its one layer on one part of one model. Steal whatever moments you can and youll be surprised what you can get done in the aggregate

[@tomsnoxell8402]

Tom - I’d love a video on hobbying with kids. My son is 9 and LOVES the setting of AOS, the armies, the model making / kitbashing (we’ve made an incredible Skaven steam tank!) and rolling dice. Any tips for playing with kids?

[@bethanygraham427]

As someone who has been attached by a swan - yep they are mean, vicious and certainly deserve to a chapter animal :)

[@tomwalsh522]

I'd watch ninjon and vince weekly no question

[@shadeling6717]

People with severe faction and even game ADD show you are here! I'll have to relisten to this when i'm painting this weekend as currently i'm feeling so unwell staying focus and thinking is beyond me. I have been making some progress on my Stormcast pity i might finish them and barely play since they not that good. Next project ironjaws, maggotkin, or Tyranids. I also have a Conquest army and been looking into drop zone/drop fleet. One piece of advice i think was big do not bother putting all the little knickknacks on the model. I use to just follow the instructions, but lately i look at the pieces can i very easily paint this piece (like a single coat of a contrast) if yes sure may put it on if not leave on sprue. I wish i could get an airbrush but my area just couldn't work it as i would need to setup an exhaust fan. I'm unable to do that right now.

[@mythicex]

@vinceventurella I went to a college surplus store where they get rid of old equipment and got 4 Herman Miller Aerons for $20 each

[@philip6136]

Thanks for the show guys 😊

[@rickroberts7312]

The skaven book does have 2 new ror and aor, also skaven and stormcast were written at roughly the same time as the indexes so I wasn't expecting much of a change, I think the same argument was made for tyranids/ spcemarines

[@richarddagger4954]

Vince, I'd listen to you and john paint and chat 100%

[@toogreytogame]

For long army build sessions: hand desk vacuum, especially if you're sanding plastic. You don't want that hanging around and getting into your lungs.

[@toogreytogame]

And resin is worse of course!

[@fitz394]

I ended up grabbing the Skaven book because of the lore, artand painting stuff. I'm never going to buy the nook just for points and rules - I'm not going to worry over using the app or not. I won't be grabbing the next edition's Skaven though, unless there is an actual incentive

[@tomsnoxell8402]

I’d LOVE a Skaven list building video!

[@skarrz1468]

Make it easy to paint. Have your brushes cleaned, a clean pot of water, wet palette set up, painting area cleaned up. Do this at the end of each session and you can just sit down when you next have time and get moving. Clear all the projects except the one you are working on (or two) and remove clutter so you feel like you're in control. Then stop thinking about painting and start painting!!

[@AVS_uk]

You had me at the Gilmore Girls reference

[@JStruggers]

Man, that first tip is the hardest for me. I really struggle to find the balance, its why I dont seem to collect armies. I find it a struggle to find the level where I am let myself not paint my "best" on every model. Its a skill I have not learnt.

[@hendrikrasmus]

About the battletomes. First of all, they clearly stated that the points will be up on warhammer community. It is too bad that we don't know what they mean by core rules, excluding the part later in the same paragraph where they inform us that in later tomes battle traits and units might change. It might just be hopium but it sure sounds like more spell lore, battle formation options might be on the table.

[@mathiaskaati9505]

Yes, give us painting sessions!

[@toogreytogame]

It might be false economy but I sometimes avoid using my airbrush because it takes me 20min to set up and I need a shave before putting on my PPE. Therefore, I mainly use if only for big batch jobs, such as zenithals, varnishing etc. I want to use it for other more detailed work but it's sometimes easier and quicker to use the brush because of the setup. Unfortunately nowhere to leave it all setup with booth etc.

[@VinceVenturella]

I have some videos on working faster. Mine is more or less a few minutes to go, but you do need some space yeah, that hurts.

[@perfidy1103]

43:30 Notably, GW are studiously calling them the Plague Pack, *not* Skabbik's Plague Pack. I think the included UW warbands are being genericised. Not one dot Vince: the Stormcoven is mentioned in the SCE preview.

[@NapGod]

damn this was not the episode to miss. I'm trying to do nmm on be'lakor incorporating the blue glow from his sword and I think I'm just digging a deeper grave as I try to fix it. Also 5:13 Tom's wrong. Swans are bigger and also more aggressive and territorial. So take all those "goose chose violence" memes, multiply them together, and you get a swan. Don't fuck with them especially if you have kids around. They're stronger than you think and can contribute to drowning accidents.

[@codybrown3844]

Aquarium Co-Op?! The hobbies collide!

[@Midgar88]

Ah drybrush guys. If you are getting new models with alot of texture e.g nearly all the skaven stuff base coat and drybrush. Outside of an airbrush, layering can not only take ages but on fine areas (some might even call a highlight) take alot of skill. Drybrush will pick those areas up and theyll pop. Definitely not a bad tech, know when to use it.

[@Xabierum]

Hello Vince, really great video taking fears away. Thanks. Could you please make a video about contrast for those of us who are afraid of too much contrast.

[@VinceVenturella]

Already did - studio.kzbin.infozeEuPGYIVM8/edit

[@JWbrasser]

You upgrade any tool when you can articulate exactly what it isn't doing that it should be doing...

[@michaelseldritch]

I would watch the two of you paint

[@kingcoltrain357]

A hobby episode in honour of the hobby mystro himself, who puts us all to shame, Tyler!

[@DarkAbyssMiniatures]

Vince, what brand would you suggest is easiest to glaze with? I love the saturation and punch of pro acryl but they're awful to glaze with and I don't like the citadel range because their colours look muddy and dull to me

[@VinceVenturella]

AK 3rd and Fantatic I find easy to glaze with

[@TheOneIng]

Vince, since you mentioned how you can thin paints but can't thicken them, do you find PA being a bit more liquid is ever an issue?

[@VinceVenturella]

Not really, it's thick enough basically. :)

[@steverandall8163]

Omg, getting my bellakor model assembled, 8m ignoring all those extra spike bits

[@DocPhantoms]

I optimistically was hoping that GW would move away from the gated community model of rules but here we are.

[@NapGod]

yes give us the vince x jon painting series live and uncut.

[@GlennJackson-d8e]

Paint for an hour, go out and work outside an hour, come in and cool off, get a drink, sit down and repeat.

[@Sumanye]

Hey Vince, I'm rocking an eclipse and I do feel like it doesn't give me the control I want. Can you give me a suggestion on a more expensive airbrush to check out?

[@VinceVenturella]

H&S Infinity

[@Sumanye]

@@VinceVenturella thanks man!

[@andrewwilson8802]

I know my comment is late but what would you do for your hobby setup if you were going to be traveling for a significant time? I will be traveling for the next year or two and so I want to still be able to hobby occasionally but I don't have a ton of room or space or even a dedicated room to use

[@VinceVenturella]

I mentioned it in the show today, a few paints I could mix, a few brushes, some baking paper, the rest I would likely forage (beyond the miniature) - prime everything before you go.

[@Sandrip-k9g]

I would watch paint-e-sodes...or rather look at it occasionally while I was painting.

[@jonathanalston1552]

Vince, you mention some paint lines you favour. Any opinions on the P3 range, especially the new ones coming out soon if you know anything about those? Cheers, Jon

[@jonathanalston1552]

Sorry, I missed your quick reference to P3. Ignore the above 😂

[@Dreadnob]

Maybe it's because it is my first new edition launch, but SCE never felt more like space marines to me, as they do right now. Some nice sculpts, but nothing we havent seen before and certainly nothing I asked for.

[@TravisKelltner]

Fuck yeah, Jon & Vince shittalkathons!

[@ncfcpaul8761]

I fear I'm doing something wrong... I really liked painting my World Eaters and S2D, and found painting the Skaventide Skaven something of a chore!

[@DarkAbyssMiniatures]

Sometimes certain models just don't click, I had the same thing with Tyranids. I've always liked the models but I just can't stand painting them

[@NIcolasbobbitt]

2:01:56 I enjoy two thin coats as a replacement for GW colors. But the dropper bottles he used for them suck.

[@The_ZerGhoul]

I'd qualify my best painted models (Varanguard and Chaos Lord on Karkadrak) results as a good amateur paint job (looks nice and a bit of OSL effects that turned out well) but I'm still miles behind several pro painters that I see online. I have a new airbrush that was given to me as a gift about 7-8 years ago and I'd really want to use it (I see lots of videos with very nice effects and transitions from airbrushes) but I don't think that I can use it because I live inside an apartment without a window I can open. I read that you need to use a mask AND setup some sort of station with a machine to vacuum the paint from the air, is that true or are people exaggerating?

[@VinceVenturella]

You can certainly still use it. A good booth is nice as it can draw things into the HEPA filter, but you don't need to worry about the open room too much if you have a basic mask and are using a cheap paint booth with filtering and you're sticking to acryllic paint.

[@RadioFreeHammerhal]

Vince dropping some HOT SWAN KNOWLEDGE

[@DarkAbyssMiniatures]

Wish I paid attention to 1. When I did my tyranids. Absolutely hate the standard they've been painted to because I rushed them so much

[@cyriltournier]

Great video, thanks!

[@VinceVenturella]

Glad you liked it!

[@nathanbuxton3271]

I would watch paintisodes

[@nathanbuxton3271]

But I’d also watch you chat shit while doing anything, washing the dishes, detailing your car, walking the dogs…

[@spencerarmstrong258]

Is this Warhammer Weekly or Hobby Cheating? I don't know, but I'm here for it. Great show!

[@cml4914]

I think the Rumour Engine is DoK, because I want it to be. I agree on Scale 75, its terrible.

[@McWerp]

What makes you think the sigmar points will be behind a paywall? The 40k books all have a code in the back that links to the points on warhammer community already, and thats free?

[@VinceVenturella]

I think the points will stay free, no idea for sure yet.

[@john12644]

Hey what do you think of the gaia color range and the alclad metallics?

[@VinceVenturella]

Haven’t tried them yet.

[@john12644]

@VinceVenturella I haven't tried either one because I think they are lacquer based, but I heard the alclad is similar or better than vallejo metallics

[@chubbychalupa4175]

I know I commented once already but… I’ve had nothing but absolutely terrible experiences with airbrushes. It works well in the beginning, then i clean it extensively and then it doesn’t work.

[@eriqone9245]

did you try the mindworks heavy body paints?

[@VinceVenturella]

Yep, gave them a try, I thought they were okay.

[@edgarbaez516]

Vincy V and Ninjon Monthly Casual Livestream Chat/Podcast when?

[@Dkoooz]

Please try out new vallejo paints, experience with the old ones doesn't really translate, it's army paint -> fanatic level of difference (a bit less, cause original vallejo were less bad)

[@visuellegedanken]

If the Plague Pack is back, where is my boy Slynk? I want ESHIN! pleeeease.

[@briarsandbantams]

"Sure. Sure." Classic technomancy.

[@asuranshadow9491]

I used to be able to assemble things en masse, but these days I dislike assembly so much I do better if I assemble a unit and paint it before I assemble anything else.

[@VinceVenturella]

I'm in the same boat.

[@masonking2253]

I was excited about AoS 4 but after listening to the first half hour of this I'm glad I haven't bought into Skaventide yet. Phew.

[@Gage_Welch]

Painting while talking about nothing? So an episode of Seinfeld? I’m in

[@HeWhoPlaysWithPaint]

Was that a Guillermore girls reference?

[@VinceVenturella]

You know it.

[@Midgar88]

If they kept plague priests i would be in for plague pack cause i can atleast proxy them. But when they get legends and they absolutely will, they are unplayable. Give me p.priests and then they are more worth. Im out buying gws 1 hit wonders that get binned in a year or cant even be proxied. But if you owm them, happy you guys can use em 🎉

[@manuelsaavedra8081]

No love for the new Vallejo formula?

[@VinceVenturella]

Like I said, haven't tried it yet.

[@manuelsaavedra8081]

@@VinceVenturella I fell for the trap of commenting before watching to the end 😅

[@chubbychalupa4175]

Vince you are 1000% right! Murderlust is a stupid ability and it ruined every fun aspect of playing Khorne. I will be getting rid of mine this edition because of it.

[@jamielaing5244]

Who's pushing your war machine Vince huh? Who's pushing it? Am I supposed to believe Skavennhave finally invented ENGINES?! That is beyond the ken of Clan Skryre! 😂

[@hll705]

Dear Sigmar, that’s a lot of KZbin ads! I didn’t clock them but it feels like two every five minutes. Still not tricking me into subscribing to KZbin premium or whatever it’s called.

[@vordronaii630]

3 separate ads in first 15 mins is a lot

[@VinceVenturella]

Yes, KZbin does that nonsense, I removed all those extraneous ads. It kills me.

[@goffgoffson2330]

If we get swans in SCE does that mean us Brits can't kill them?