Psychographic Profiles in Warhammer - Warhammer Weekly 03012023

Join us for another week of news, rumors and all things Warhammering. This week, we are getting into Psychopgraphic Profiles in warhammer and discussing where armies fall. What does your army say about you? What army might be right for based on your psychology? Tune in and find out!
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[@AlecBoyle]

Oh damn, is this finally the "astrology for _____" that gets me? "If your win condition is shenanigans" is the most me statement I've ever heard.

[@davidfortin6437]

I'm a simple man, I see a Warhammer Weekly video uploaded, I click Like before even watching it.

[@natman4207]

And I double like for dogs.

[@jfoerster]

This is the way.

[@yourgoodliness]

Buttons are fun!

[@TombKingTristan]

This guys gets it

[@bryanpierce5000]

Same, it is just the right thing to do…

[@StrengthHammer]

I feel seen and appreciated by your DoK Timmy example Tom. I also agree with Vince's deeper look that it is Kraith that is the big toe dipped in Timmy only lol. 4+ to have fun!

[@danielschreiber4710]

I agree with every analysis you made with one exception, Seraphon. My argument is as follows; Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are, perhaps the Timmy-est thing that exists in gaming. Ask any eight-year-old which of their toys they like to play with the most and six times out of ten times they're going to say the dinosaur. In fact, dinosaurs are so Timmy that Games Workshop used them to innovate what you called one of the Timmy-est things in AoS, that being sub-faction rules that allow you to make an army of nothing but monsters. Not saying that Johnny and Spike are over-represented, just that Timmy is under-represented.

[@VinceVenturella]

I get all of that, but that isn't how the army plays at all sadly. It's rules, on rules on rules. It's one of the great shames of the book. Even when you're playing just all big dinos (and most armies have a subfaction that does that), there is still a lot you're dealing with that prevents it from being great Timmy fodder.

[@danielschreiber4710]

@@VinceVenturella That's fair. Maybe it's an issue of an identity crisis. I think, in its optimal form, the Seraphon battletome might operate in a similar way to the Slaves to Darkness, where you have a deep enough roster to accommodate design philosophies that fit each profile.

[@greenskinzgaming5188]

Sons of Behemet 1:35:50 Nighthaunt 1:37:20 Daughters of Khaine 1:39:25 Disciples of Tzeentch 1:42:36 Gloomspite Gitz 1:44:58 Fyreslayers 1:48:57 Slaves to Darkness 1:52:24 Idoneth Deepkin 1:56:31 Soulblight Gravelords 2:01:08 Slyvaneth 2:06:21 Maggotkin of Nurgle 2:10:14 Lumineth Realmlords 2:13:42 Orruk Warclans 2:16:53 Stormcast Eternals 2:21:01 Beasts of Chaos 2:23:12 Cities of Sigmar 2:26:35 Blades of Khorne 2:28:23 Flesh Eater Courts 2:29:54 Kharadron Overlords 2:31:12 Ogor Mawtribes 2:34:10 Seraphon 2:35:50 Ossiarch Bonereapers 2:37:08 Skaven 2:39:54 Hedonites of Slaanesh 2:42:22

[@garystephen8718]

Liked because I could hear Vince. Great video as always.

[@printandplaygamer7134]

Great show; I like that you come back and cover this topic every 18-24 months, because the books and the overall meta certainly change over time. Just a couple of thoughts. First, a couple of key words to sum up what each type of player is looking for in an army. Johnny: synergy, innovation. Spike: efficiency, reliability. Timmy: impact, adventure. Thoughts? Second, a suggestion for your screen layout, Vince. You used half the screen for your talking heads, but your heads don't fill the boxes. You could crop the shots a bit tighter around your faces, leaving out much of the background. This would let you have the faces just as big as they are now, but the space currently wasted on the static room backgrounds could be used to make the graphic bigger and more legible.

[@ricardoflummiremus]

To be honest, in my humble opinion, I like the background and the things you can see and maybe associate with. For me it’s a really mellow vibe and moody listbuilding or painting atmosphere.. But overall you’re correct! I guess there really is no right or wrong in life!! Cheers

[@printandplaygamer7134]

@@ricardoflummiremus Mostly I just want the book covers on the graphic to be a bit bigger, so I can tell which is which later on in the video.

[@coldshoulder8550]

Soulblight can be timmy. I have the models to run 75+ wolves . turning enemy models into wolves via beladama . punching people in the face with chadukar while he also buffs your good boys. Dropping in some vargheists to dustup shooting so your good boys can get in. And when you good boys die you just bring them back. Its not hyper efficient. Its just silly and sounds like so much fun win or lose.

[@VinceVenturella]

Sure, there are always some elements of all 3 (Avengorii is also quite Timmy), but it's about the book when taken as a whole, it's major themes and what its trying to get you to do (which is not take 75+ dire wolves). :)

[@ElOvnen]

"Spike is the least likely to conceptualize the other two" nailed me spot on. I don't know how often when playing MTG I've nodded and smiled politely while listening to someone explain some unique deck they *build themselves* while internally just wondering why they would choose to build a deck that's *bad* . However, I identify more with Tom's phrasing of "playing optimal" rather than being motivated by winning. Personally, I find it hard to care very much about the actual outcome of the game. My payoff comes almost entirely from determining and performing whatever game action gives me the best *chance* of winning. If I can set up a situation where I win the game on a 2+, I have already "won". Even if I go on to roll a 1 and lose the *actual* game.

[@blighboy1]

Probably a weird opinion, but really hoping Seraphon goes hard Timmy-Spike in the new book. It should be about pointing buffs at your models and making them do cool things, similar to how OBR is probably supposed to work. Too much complexity is antithetical to dinosaurs.

[@Birdmanesp92]

We don't need the Verisimilitude of being 5D frog brain to play

[@anarchistkobold4375]

Started a Slaanesh army with an escalation league, mostly as a painting project because I love the models. Playing knowing I'll likely lose, but look good doing it.

[@shankley_has_a_brush]

Same for me with my kruleboyz.

[@perfidy1103]

I've finally started working on my Sybarite Blade Carnival (2021 Christmas box) precisely because the minis are just gorgeous. I am hoping GW manage to make it (a) not awful, and (b) fun. I am optimistic based on recent Battletomes.

[@yyzhed]

Live fast, die young, leave a beautiful corpse

[@lordduskblade]

Great example! Vince's argument for S2D as dead middle was very compelling. I also appreciated his defense of Spikes, as one of the rare Spikes with not much of anything else in my psychographic profile. P.S.: Congrats Tom!

[@drzephy]

Great episode folks! Completely wrong opinion about the double turn aside, I feel like Scott's take is mostly criticism aimed at gw and how they work as a company (mostly the rules being in book formats) which I agree with. For Seraphon, my hope, like S2D, is that it is perfectly centered.

[@mwyler3390]

That pyramid diagram though. This is why I'm a subscriber.

[@bryanpierce5000]

The rumor engine reminds me of the pole that sticks out of the back of the Slaughterbrute …

[@dalorasinum386]

Was anyone else surprised by the number of Johnny-esc books considering the point at the start of AoS being a Timmy leaning game?

[@dios420]

Great episode and topic, made work fly by while listening!

[@jacenchrisbaker]

To me, Scott's video just reminded me that he should just be playing Age of Fantasy from One Page Rules with Age of Sigmar models. While AOS 3E isn't perfect, it's the best version of AOS yet and it reminds me that AOS 4E in a few years could be even better. And it's not 40k, which is a clusterfuck.

[@renatofornaroli]

Congratulations Tom!!! Great show as always

[@Dj_PushStart]

Nice, good on ya Tom. The Atlantic is pretty legit. Great show Gentlemen.

[@Emidretrauqe]

I think it's worth pointing out that most of these books trend towards the middle because most books are written flexibly enough for anyone to get utility out of them. Extremes exist but are rare, which I also think is good. Overall this looks like a really healthy spread, especially considering the open secret that AoS is a timmy game and you could also just stamp _TIMMY_ as a transparent overlay across this whole thing. It's the real reason why most of them aren't being directly placed in the Timmy quadrant.

[@IzzysIssues]

I feel like this is one of the fastest turnarounds we've had on a Rumor Engine

[@returntofleet]

This chat is so smart. I love it! 🎉

[@quahodron2756]

congratz @ Tom Well done =)

[@andrewg5324]

Fun show! I view it more through the lense of how a person engages with any given unit/list/army. E.g 3 different players analyzing Ironjawz Spike - Look at the wounds per points! High-reliability buffs! Efficient Trading! Redundancy! Johnny - Movement tricks galor! Perfect smash and bash chaining! Guess he wasn't expecting the out-of-phase charge! Timmy - You know my bosses get stronger when they kill stuff? Yes, I did say that my MK has 6 damage attacks this phase! All to say (something you mentioned in the later half of the show), no matter where you land, you can probably build a list within any given army that matches your psychographic profile. (P.S Johnny/Spike are the archenemy and all my psychological utility comes from smashing their house of cards. Let's see how clever you are when you're getting trampled under my piggies hooves!)

[@ajefferism3264]

Stopped the video at about 1 hour in to read your Atlantic article Tom, great read. Would love to see a followup as to why you think this Asbury event happened/went viral/ got big? Not just religious motivation but maybe an urge to move towards simple unity after years of chaos and discord in this country. Maybe a sign of some sort of pendulum swing in society... Anyway this was "Deep Thoughs" by Jack Handy. Back to Warhammer!

[@Sabush1]

Loved the last show on this theme and loved this one aswell. It would be awesome if you would come back to this graph and update with every new battletome release!

[@brentnelson8137]

I love this episode

[@knecht227]

Tom is in theology too? I never had expect that. Nice to see how many of us are into wargaming/Warhammer

[@BeefyCrunch]

Rumor engine , bonesplitters vs slaanesh. Its the bonesplitter model. All 4 warcry boxes end up Nurgle vs chaos Tzeentch vs order Khorne vs death Slaanesh vs Destruction

[@MKDietz]

Even the last 100 points matters!!!! They do! :D it suddenly dawned on me I might be a Johnny. This I wrote at the start. Edit to when you rated SBGL and low and behold you've put it in Johnny :D

[@jakestefano4118]

This was a great show! Makes me realize why I like playing certain of my armies over others. I wish I could see something like this for 40k too

[@MisterDoctorLawyer]

poorhammer did a really good concept similar to this for 40k that i love and is done great

[@scotchandhobbies5674]

Another great show. I fall pretty firmly into Johnny Spike with my main armies being Seraphon, Lumineth and KO, but sometimes I like to shut my brain off and just pull the Ogors out onto the table.

[@davidcampbell621]

Regiments of renown are just a new take on warscroll battalions, without all the bonus stuff, which is what I wish they'd done in the first place

[@escapo6895]

One more detail about Spike: Spike is almost alone in seeing the value of mechanics that show their real power in context of the metagame--things like turning off Redeploy, or spell auto-unbinds. For Johnny, such mechanics are only really useful if they play into a bigger, self-contained strategy, and for Timmy such things are basically blank text.

[@MCXL1140]

Not really sure that that's true of Johnny, Johnny is still a player that enjoys control effects if they're part of a larger combo. Turning off redeploy to then be able to do X with another friendly unit that kind of thing

[@escapo6895]

@@MCXL1140 Totally agreed; that's what I mean by "self-contained strategy". In this case the denial of redeploy enables some other kind action that is inherently interesting to Johnny. For Spike, the value comes simply from advancing tactical goals and playing the game as efficiently and effectively as possible.

[@brkfstfd]

I have an Atlantic sub and have known a few people that have done work there - so the overlap is at least 1.

[@jonasandersson5838]

Timmy hates ludonarrative dissonance, a unit that looks big and mean or has that lore, but doesn't perform is a big turndown. And the same in reverse, a unit that is supposed to be bad but due to rules punches above their weight is a npe

[@IBPaintsppp-wt5ou]

Thanks for the episode, I always enjoy these type discussions. My 40k army is mostly a Johnny style army and I don't know which style I prefer so I'd prefer to go with a Timmy/Spike army for my first Aos army. Ironjawz look perfect

[@OldManRogers]

Respect for Dr Tom!!

[@NoneOfYourBusiness-uz6jx]

As someone who just has returned to the hobby and is in the process of picking an army... this was incredibly helpful.

[@adamfillier3515]

That rumor engine is a new vampire wizard hero for the soulblight book

[@asuranshadow9491]

Thanks for explaining this, I had been mystefied by the names and not sure how to figure out the meaning, searching names is often the path to sadness on the internet.

[@ODA204SBD9]

Notably with the Kruleboyz regiment none of the Sludgeraker or Shaman synergy works because they don't have Venom Encrusted Weapons, they have a different named ability that does the same thing. In Big Waagh I'd run the regular ones instead so I can get the synergy

[@AVS_uk]

Timmy at the top of the pyramid - rightfully placed

[@davidcampbell621]

Long show but it would've been interesting to have a follow up discussion on which armies are in the wrong places, and where they should be. Like khorne should be Timmy/spike imo (win for losing is a big theme) Tzeentch is the archetypal johnny so should slide all the way into the bottom left. Kruleboyz are timmy/johnny, but narratively feel more like johnny/spike Bonesplitterz should probably be johnny/timmy, as it fits the hunter narrative (tracking, laying traps, then a big hype moment with the payoff) Slaanesh could be timmy too, as the concept of excess can really be pushed to fit timmy's psychographic profile.

[@quahodron2756]

"As always sklssss ...." :DDDDDDDD Great show. Can't wait for a new Timmy/Johnny/Spike List for 2024.

[@VinceVenturella]

Can't wait!

[@frankpettinato5521]

I actually really enjoyed this show, great job! My only gripe was Stormcast, I feel like it definitely has alot more Johnny than given credit for. Yea you could Spike it and bring all Raptors/Fulminators/etc, but my main draw to it has always been the options! I feel like when Tom was describing building 40-60 lists when a new books comes out, that's how I feel all the time with Stormcast haha. Anyways, great show keep up the good work!

[@VinceVenturella]

Well, my main pushback there is that there are a lot of choices, but most of them are false choices. There is almost always a best answer in SCE, that's what we touched on and I think that's the issue. When you look and see such terrible internal balance, that's a problem for Johnny. But certainly, there are some minor elements there for sure.

[@frankpettinato5521]

@@VinceVenturella Yea 100% there are alot of bad choices can't argue there haha.

[@takeovermars]

Congratz Tom! We stan you;

[@197mmCannon]

I'm definitely a Timmy with slight johnny leanings and Slaanesh is my main army. Probably love for the models is what keeps me in.

[@kewanzahedinour7304]

Doubleturn: First 5 games of Aos you think: What OP crap Then you understand the game, and suddenly you realize it makes the game so wondrous ^^

[@escapo6895]

I think the first concept that new players grapple with is that the double-turn isn't available to the player who goes first. "My opponent got more turns than I did! How ridiculous and unfair!" When of course, after an odd number of turns, one player has always had more turns than the other, whether you roll for priority each round or not. The double-turn is only available to the player who lost first-turn advantage in the previous round. It seems like such an obvious thing, but the importance of that concept takes a while for many players to really incorporate into their strategy.

[@amoryblaine5099]

What’s our sense on how the profiles breakdown across the player base? My entirely unscientific hunch is that they are not evenly proportioned. The majority are Timmy. In the competitive community Johnny and Spike will predominate, with increasing Spike presence in the upper echelons of the scene. Across the entire player base, Johnny will be the smallest of the three

[@VinceVenturella]

No hard information, but I would like to do a survey on it eventually. It feels like Timmy/Spike/Johnny in order of popularity to me.

[@phadumu509]

Would love to see You guys discussing this Timmy, Johnny, Spike space in Warhammer Fantasy 6ed 😅

[@rmulshine]

Big Waaaag is pure Jonny

[@kyslippy3455]

List/deck building is cathartic. For sure I'm a Johnny who plays like Spike and loves like Timmy. In mtg I'm called the common monster bc my grab bag of commons will beat your $16k mono blue while I smile and enjoy everytime you tap two island with my spell on the stack

[@takeovermars]

I can't wait to talk about where slaanesh is now with the new book. I love how both profiles shows has slaanesh not at a very good spot lol

[@mortenbrandtjensen6470]

Thanks for diving into this subject. It opens up for reflection - which kind of player am I? (I do believe myself to be a Timmie-Johnny by the way, as long as the Timmie element is balanced). For your triangle I suppose most battletomes hits the spot, and I suppose I should have stayed with orcs, because at some point it had got to be fixed... I will disagree about Idoneth Deepkin - they have so many very reliable elements that they got to sway more towards Spike: They mess with opponent's shooting, they can move fast and fly, making their charges very reliable. They are my go to army for an aggressive tournament army.

[@ajefferism3264]

Also, if youtube had a way to "sticky" or "pin" this video at the top of the warhammer weekly youtube page, you should def do that. I've been watching for a year or two now and I'm thrilled to actually understand what these names now mean lol.

[@KP-ek7qu]

Great conversation! I think Im more Johnny than I want to admit 😁

[@VinceVenturella]

It's okay, that's why we do these shows! It's always fun to see what we learn about ourselves.

[@christianschmidt1784]

Wednesday Rumor engine, today revealed as AoS Khorne model. Is this the fastest turn-around we have seen?

[@jefferymartens6303]

I agree with the pretty much everything you said, excepting that at some point they did realize how askew Khorne was and made Bloodthirsters so cheap we Timmys could at least rejoice in running a bunch of them, even if it was not greatly effective against any medium to high skill players

[@Wrathful2000]

For Tom to engage with more of his Biblical Studies degrees consider getting an Interview with Derek Lambert from MythVision podcast. He's interviewed many, many Biblical Scholars, like Dr. Kipp, Dr. James Tabor, Dr. Richard Carrier and far more. He's friends with many of them including Digital Hammurabi's Dr. Joshua Bowen. Could give it a look if he wants to discuss any of his books or knowledge :D He has also done some pretty exclusive interviews with Dr. Elaine Pagels.

[@jordivermeulen2519]

I generally like the Regiments of Renown, but the one thing that doesn't sit right with me is that you get things like non-SBGL get a better Corpse Cart than SBGL, or non-Kruleboyz get better Boltboyz than Kruleboyz. Seems weird to me.

[@wojteksk]

Great video! It also translates well to Warhammer Underworlds, since the army playstyles are reflected there. By the way - apart from ARCHEtypes maybe you could tell something interesting about STEREOtypes too? We all know those sturdy bearded guys that keep playing dwarves forever, or some Slaaneshi perfectionists ;) But maybe from your experience you can say something funny about other armies?

[@hugorikken2993]

This was a cool show. Some of my take aways: I am very much a spike with some johnny. I kinda always knew this. I have played 7 years of Hearthstone (a TCG like magic). I never care about netlisting, i do it all the time. I check the data, what is strong, why is it strong and how can i use it to my advantage. I dislike the random, where something is 95% likely to happen and it doesnt happen. I like redundancy in lists, and while I like list building a lot, for me its the johnny element to express spike power. Finding the combo's to turn it up to 11. I have some of the Johnny-PetUnit syndrome and trying to make them work but its all about trying to get stuff to extreme power. I also spend way to much time mathing out damage from units in scenarios to see what they would do and to see the power, again using johnny list building to do spike things. My only army is tzeentch, and its fun that i chose an army that fits my playstyle a decent amount. I sometimes wish it was more spike, and less johnny in game. I hate how fragile the heroes are, but it is something i can work around and i understand why this is. I can clearly see from a game balance point why this has to happen. The point about having a clear order of casting is something i have. I bring a certain hero for a certain role/cast in game. X 90% of the time casts spell Y on unit Z. I can never leave home without Cogs, since it makes magic reliable and thus allowing my spike nature to deal with it. A big realisation i had was you talking about how spike has the hardest time thinking how others view the game. There was a discussion in a Tzeentch chat today about Skyfires, where I kept bringing up how not efficient the unit is in this season. Your comment made me realise i have to sometimes step away from how I view the game to what others want from the game, and if someone wants advice on something to try and view from their idea of a cool game.

[@takeovermars]

My friend is a spike who plays skaven and loves the look and lore of the WLC and hates using it but refused for the longest time to not have it in his lists. We keep telling him to look at other armies but he loves his cheese bois

[@Nodonn]

What's funny is that people I play would often describe Fyreslayers as Johnny because of how much tricky bullshit you have to do with Vostarg lists.

[@eelshark12345]

I think I'm a Johnny with Timmy tendencies. I like the cool big models like Krondys and Celestant Prime. But I want to make a somewhat competent list in which they'll be complimented.

[@cmleibenguth]

There is one other wizard Spike likes -- the Knight Incantor Guaranteed 1/game unbind Khorne, ironically for an army of frothing at the mouth berzerkers, has always been a thinking man's army (Even in Bloodbowl) Gargants are "King Timmy" AoS wants to be more Timmy, but most armies still lean more towards the other two

[@markpandelidis2079]

Isn't it funny how Khorne actually went the complete opposite direction. It's a completely Spike army now. "I actually want my stuff to die because I know exactly what that gives me" plug and play lists, reliable damage, hammers, anvils, abilities. Everything just works, all the time, every time.

[@skaldofepics9380]

I’d say I am 75% Timmy 15% Spike and 10% Johnny. I play mostly for fun and for those big moments and it does feel terrible when they don’t happen. Simultaneously I do like to try and win because that’s a part of what the game is about. I don’t have the mind for picking out synergies and crazy interesting combos. A majority of my lists are a mix between what’s doing good in the meta and then fun units that I like and simply think are fun. I am currently trying out Fyreslayers because I am a dwarf Stan and finally gave in to the reality that we likely won’t see an LRL type reboot high elves got, happen for the dwarfs. I think I made the right choice based on the insight from this video!

[@nadavbloshtein3957]

when you're collecting all the destruction armies BRING ME THE TIMMY ARMIES!

[@angelicdespot2735]

I'm one of the people who asked about these since you made your last video, and though I found your references to those previous ones helpful, it's very good to have an update. A couple of things I found interesting about this one. Firstly, that I think the armies I'm most excited about actually playing tend to be nearer the centre. Whether they're weighted in any particular direction isn't necessarily a problem, but it would appear that whatever combination of Timmy/Johny/Spike I am, I do want an army that has elements of them all. Secondly, this review helped crystalise why I have found some of the army rewrites disappointing. e.g. I think Tzeentch ought to be Timmy/Jonny... Yes Shenanigans, but also yes to unpredictableness, to plans within plans within plans backfiring and yes to spectacular effects. I didn't like that it seemed to be a shooty fire army with a lot of resilience, however efficient it was! I think I'm probably Timmy in the largest part, Jonny second and least Spike, but I do get frustrated when armies don't function the way I feel they should.

[@nicksurename5392]

Oh no, am I a spike? Considering the armies I mostly play are Tzeentch, Seraphon, Daughters and S2D

[@savagelupyne8411]

S2D sits at the center of the all points again XD

[@d1gitals0ul]

One thing that always rubs me wrong on someway of the Timmy/Johnny/Spike is Spike feel very much an afterthought to the entire trio, I mean even in the original article it is pointed out that it was seen purely as Tournament players initially. In your Johnny profile you mention list building being a big factor, yet when it comes to tournament play and high level competition, list building is everything. Under spike net-decking begets you other decks that had to be built by those seeking to win and eek out the best they can, so likely a Spike not a Johnny. It inherently is a nature of a game in need of a win condition, you need to ask the question how to get to it, there is not one answer but a series of high ones. To me it feels like Spike has less of a wheelhouse or nature to them outside of competition being their main goal and discount what's needed to achieve that. There is discretion that augments that path to victory, be it a more Timmy or Johnny nature. In the end Timmy and Johnny are to some degree how they play, while Spike seems to only be credited to their goal while playing. In the list building Johnny looks for the best thing to make their interaction/combo work, Timmy is looking for other big toys or things that help his big toy, and Spike would be looking for effectiveness and cohesion. Idk, probably just a Spike/Johnny rambling, but to me it feels like Spike often get's portrayed as purely goal oriented and not at all in their considerations, which often leads to a more negative perception.

[@takeovermars]

FEC definitely a timmy army. Kelly loves her big block of ghouls and big ol monsters lol

[@hobbyton3575]

I’m thinking that different armies bring out different aspects in me. If I’m playing my kharadron I’m almost completely spike, with some Johnny, but if i play Ironjaws i adopt more of a Johnny/Timmy, and Playing Cities of Sigmar makes me pure Johnny!

[@markpandelidis2079]

Very interesting. Only halfway through, but hearing the profiles I can estimate I'm probably 60% Johnny, 35% Spike and 5% Timmy. I prefer to have an army that's not meta but can outmaneuver a stronger army just because I'm a good player. I'm rules guru. I love the rules, I love the wording, it's my favorite part about AoS, and my biggest gripe sometimes with GW being blatantly ignorant and oblivious to obvious mistakes.

[@scottg9224]

Is making this psych triangle more Spike to analyze the best win efficiency combo or more Johnny because you just want to keep making thought provoking lists? Great show

[@VinceVenturella]

Maybe a little of all. :)

[@starslayer2438]

I used to be clearly Johnny-Spike when I was playing MtG. But for AoS, I feel like I am Timmy-Johnny. Interestingly, I love having a lot of options and decisions in the listbuilding phase, but I do prefer a straight-forward experience with a lower number of decisions during actual play. Which is probably why I am not a big fan of playing my first army, Sylvaneth.

[@davidcampbell621]

RE looks like a horned skull on a khorne symbol, maybe its a khorngor banner?

[@bigtom8925]

I have to agree with slaanesh. It's my main army and it ignites my Johnny side trying to find the best list in an awful book. I actually haven't lost the last 10 games with slaanesh because I've stopped playing like a Timmy. I do love those great moments though when damage spikes and then my opponent somehow saves them all. I just find it so hard to get a Timmy moment with slaanesh. So my main enjoyment is people underestimating my list and turn 2 or 3, they realise that I'm holding my own and they could lose against me. This show made me realise that I might be more Johnny than Timmy and that surprised me. Also showed me the armies I might enjoy for my play style so thanks a lot!

[@gstellar96]

I think for Skaven, Johnny is what the Skaven think they are,Timmy is what ends up happening.

[@repentia1]

im a jhonny spike, what army would be for me 🤔 oh they are doing the army assaign now xD

[@ObsidianCrane]

When it comes to armies and list building I'm heavilly Johnny, with a strong dash of Spike. My problem is I play the game like a Timmy, because I'm just playing for giggles (and to help justify the insane amount I have spent on models - because I buy them Art fetished Vorthos). A long time ago when I took competitive play seriously and played games competitively meaning to win I was definitely Johnny-Spike with very little Timmy in there at all.

[@jb87rell]

Thank you thank you thank you for bringing up WAAC. I'm a very casual Timmy but I hate when people call spikes/competitive minded people, WAAC. I started back in whfb and 3rd Ed 40k and it was reserved for people that would cheat or underhanded things to win.

[@MisterDoctorLawyer]

Please do an appreciation profile episode!

[@patnoon5477]

Have you done the psychographic analysis for 40K ever? I’d be curious to see where they land. I have been Timmying out on Death Guard lately just buying stuff on the Rule Of Cool and what my inner-Timmy tells me 😅

[@VinceVenturella]

Never have, but it would be interesting! Especially post 10th.

[@brendanarmstrong7802]

I'd like to say I'm somewhere around 60% Timmy, 40% Johnny. But really, that Johnny is secretly more Timmy, because what I'm looking to express is my ability to create weird and unique situations. When I played Magic, my favorite 'win condition' was in a monogreen Eldrazi deck, where I'd cheat out Emrakul, a game-ending monster that's nearly impossible to pull out a counter to, and then use a planeswalker that allows me to draw cards equal to my strongest monster's power. I'd then draw 15 cards out of my deck, likely into another of that same planeswalker, play him, and draw another 15 cards that same turn, usually drawing myself out and immediately losing the game.

[@MisterDragon]

I'm confused why Tzeentch is not Timmy. With the whole army being all about spectacular magic silliness, pooping out spawn all over the place and such... I dunno. I consider myself a Timmy-Johhny and they're one of my favourite armies.

[@mortenbrandtjensen6470]

You can play it like a Timmie army, but many players vie towards the scheming.

[@MisterDragon]

@@mortenbrandtjensen6470 ah see but the Scheming is what what allows you to do the dumb flashy stuff just for the flashiness. I see it as the perfect fusion of the two. I think it's just the limitation of trying to break it down into boxes.

[@timosenko1]

So, can KO's Thryng take Norgrimm's rune throng and will the Runelord know the extra spell for 6s doing mortal wounds?

[@VinceVenturella]

No idea, I have to give it a good read

[@ianc-ml3xo]

As a Johnny the majority of my worst games have been against Timmies in my local group. Debuffs/tech = cheeting or being a “tryhard”. Nothing like the feeling of having someone walk by your table and cheer when your toys get picked up.

[@grandalliancedeath]

I think you guys did an excellent job with this show. One minute disagreement is I think OBR wants to be Johnny-Spike rather than full Spike. My reasoning being is they over-designed the command abilities and I think they wanted you to have a plan and a thousand ways to adjust it with edge cases and a plethora of abilities. Whether that book is successful in this goal is highly dubious

[@redsven7624]

Always a good discussion, and one I hope reflect on when you talk to Scott. Who actual I felt was very fair in his video, I mostly agree with him but not on all things. The decision making; how when and where they occur, and randomness in the game govern a person's interaction with game mechanics. I personally have moved away from gw games as I don't thing there is enough meaningful decision particularly in game play and a lack of variance outside of game balance. That said I don't think AoS is a bad game, it just one I am not interested in playing a lot

[@VinceVenturella]

100%, it's something I've discussed with him before and something I very much want to explore in the conversation, Part of the irony is I agree with many of his points as well and have made similar points on the show, but I am happy to see them trending in the right direction on some of the items.

[@redsven7624]

Also slaanesh edging the battle tome

[@maximilianboese4788]

Timi moment in Lord of the rings I had like 15 years ago. A rider of rohan throws his spear at a balrog behind a wood and kills it with it. Meant he had to hit 4+/4+/6+/6+

[@MacKayVer40k]

havent finished the video yet, but as someone who wants to run 5 DP's in despoilers, because i love big monsters, and i want to do something that is "off meta" and people would consider "bad" would put me nicely in the Timmy-Johnny? cuz clearly winning isnt for me haha

[@garrettmckellar]

I'm neutral-timmy, until I play with my brother, who is chaotic-timmy, which pushes me in to lawful-spike

[@jonathandavis4819]

I would be interested in a response video towards Scott's AoS is Trash video.

[@VinceVenturella]

I'm going to have him on the show to discuss. :)

[@ryanivy7024]

I have a question that isn't strictly relevant to the video topic... can you run Blood Knights in an Ossiarch Bonereapers list?

[@VinceVenturella]

If they are allies, you could include them, but I don't have the OBR allies list right in front of me.

[@ryanivy7024]

@@VinceVenturella ahhhh, I went and dug through Wahapedia and found that they have no allies! Shame. I love the blood knight models but that’s one of the few from SBGL that I do want to paint! Maybe the new book will be more flexible lol

[@TheSianFromAtlantis]

I'm completely a Timmy and I've always played Slaanesh. Sooo yeah.