[Vinesauce] Vinny - Sorry, We're Open (Demo)

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[@vinesaucefullsauce]

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[@Markm8]

Wtf is that in the corner

[@sold0ut210]

Vinny was unbelievably unlucky to never have gotten any Hire Employees options on the first two day shifts, what the hell. Edit: Let me explain. Your character is intentionally terrible at solo combat. The idea is that you get a popup every few ingame hours to do a Job Interview to hire up to 3 party members with different skills. They are all incredibly low HP and some are even set to always be the priority target no matter what. They are meant to go into a proverbial and sometimes literal meatgrinder while your manager character does buffs and keeps himself alive as much as possible. Vinny just did not get that option. I believe this game needs to manipulate its own RNG to guarantee you get job interviews after X hours.

[@Paranuui]

Oof. That's... yikes...

[@mcscavage360]

Well it is a demo, and feedback is always a good thing to give the devs before the final product is released, like tweaks to rng.

[@LeudieBlues]

Yeah this was unfortunately a really rough start for him, dont think Vin had this much trouble with No Delivery's demo, but do hope the dev does re balance these issues since I do like the ideas in this game.

[@cezlock8209]

i wonder why there isn't more of a tutorial that gives you the necessary things to at least survive

[@polocatfan]

well that sucks. I don't know which side of the drama I should be on here. Vinny unintentionally misrepresented a game, but it was kind of the dev's fault. Really shitty situation all around.

[@Paranuui]

Apparently Vinny got a major case of anti streamer luck on this game

[@Lucas-db2jq]

"Rest assured, you'll be able to fill that void in your Crew in no time" Well that was a lie. I mean, Vinny could barely form a crew in the first place.

[@bloodyidit4506]

I'm starting to think that the developer of these games really hates his job, and I understand that with all empathy.

[@frds_skce]

If you're saying that the dev had bad experience with their previous workplace, then I would be rather more worried with what sort of house party that the dev had. ... An afterparty with zombies hanging around the house is not ideal.

[@bloodyidit4506]

@@frds_skce I understand that too. The disillusionment about how people act and the debauchery they put on themselves to destructively, unhelpfully cope. I think there's a reason combat is a slog in these games with an element of cruel randomness, because these aren't just games, with how even if you lose and die, you have to go back to the "job". they're trying to connect you with how he or she felt. In a way the house party is like another "job" too. it's a thing forced on you to network and to convince others that you're worth something.

[@horror_n_oates]

@@frds_skce @Bloodyidit I don't always make games based on personal experiences or jobs I've had, but when I do, it's usually semi-fictional

[@thag_simmons]

oh thank god they're semi-fictional, I don't know how I could live with myself if rats were a real thing 😱

[@bloodyidit4506]

@@horror_n_oates Glad you never had to murder a man with a bag on his head raving about coins or something then after hours. Because we've all met that man. He lives in the walls. Never walk into a Walmart. Fuckin' hated that job.

[@KasuyaIceKarz2000]

"You're a Manager. Having an employee from the beginning would be nice." This game understands what it's like to work at Gamestop, I see. Open to close by yourself as a shift manager (lowest keyholder) just be happening, lol.

[@BIGMILKO]

Dude forreal. I hated that shit so much. It'd never fail that some asshole would show up with an awful trade like a laundry basket full of skylanders and only then would the store get really busy and backed up because of it. All while the really fat guy in the wifebeater stinks up the place

[@xythera]

"No control over employee..." "You're hired." I've had managers like that.

[@vantretiredargumentativedu7763]

Fuck up once, lose all chance of ever getting the money and employees to crawl out of the hole you slipped in due to bad luck? Yep, sounds like retail.

[@kimtae858]

I hope they think about the risk/reward of battles. Escaping should be easy but you lose out on items from a win that you need to progress or increase employee stats. Make it so you can bail out and regroup but you'll have to take on the baddies again if you want to make forward progress and improve.

[@thag_simmons]

the escaping thing was probably the weirdest thing about this game and no delivery. the game mechanics and instructions make it a point to punish solo combat, but if you ever find yourself in that position, you have better chances of staying and fighting despite pathetic damage output. no delivery at least made it easy to get back on your feet after dying in combat, so the complete 180 this game takes feels baffling. I get the sinking feeling that part of the issue lies in the hard-coded values and functions that rpgmaker makes so difficult to alter or remove, since the engine is kinda held together with scotch tape and silly string. fingers crossed for the final release, since oates really knocked it out of the park with no delivery.

[@RydiaLazuIi]

I love how the battle screens are designed to look like old employee training videos

[@TrueLadyEvilChan]

Yeah I can do without the screen flashes though Ouch

[@sonichujfs2393]

Vinny dies trying to catch a mouse

[@NekkoBlue]

Combat needs a _bit_ of work. I know supermarket work can be shitty but man, if I couldn’t handle a simple shopping cart bumping into me I don’t who’d hire me, let alone make me a manager lol

[@ArizAmuuru]

Yeah not quite sure how to feel about this one. If the RNG model is so bad that you can straight up miss NECESSARY events to complete the game, and then get PUNISHED by being charged for losing multiple times, something needs to be fixed. Good thing it's just a demo for now eh?

[@ChargeQM]

I never went back to Darkest Dungeon because of this. Had my two Tutorial characters die while following the (restrictive) instructions. Reloaded, tried again... one died this time, to a series of crits. Then the game asked me to use that character's ability, but since he wasn't there, I was softlocked. Never touched it again.

[@oomoom9714]

@@ChargeQM lmao just get good crits can be avoided by not sucking

[@Adrot]

@@oomoom9714We're all busy in this world, so they can do whatever they feel like it. Git gud is a time investment not everyone can afford.

[@oomoom9714]

@@Adrot lmao its the tutorial it takes 10 minutes

[@catataf]

@@oomoom9714 if the tutorial lets you fail that easily there's something wrong with it, no?

[@yoteawhirl1987]

Game should let you "buy" an opening gift. A mop,broom, or place a classifieds ad (hire an employee guaranteed within certain time)

[@lowpolyzoe]

I hope the final version of this is better/has guaranteed employee hires and a fail condition because when you get down to $0 you can't really do anything besides hope RNG gets you out which seems very very unlikely

[@thag_simmons]

game development is a series of incidentally creating and subsequently building escapes to soft locks. whoever beta tests oates's games should be trying harder to break things and get stuck so even the most "cursed with streamer luck" of experiences don't tumble this hard 😔

[@VulpeRenard]

Escape may be the only viable option. Can't escape!

[@Forever_Zero]

Yeah, the game definitely needs to throw a bone to the player once in a while otherwise there's a chance to get screw up by the RNG like we can see here

[@whiteaier27]

Really enjoyed watching No Delivery, so it is sad to see how rough this game is. The first bosses (Mannequins and Cart trio) seem way too hard even with employees. Hopefully they tweak the difficulty.

[@MasacoMike]

No Delivery suffered from the same issue early in its development, so it's very likely they'll balance the game to be more fair.

[@LaurentIpsum]

According to the developers download page, they said “The following *Demo* is not representative of the final product and is subject to change." Important to keep this in mind

[@whiteaier27]

@@MasacoMike rewatched Vinny play No Delivery and it doesn’t seem as bad. But I will agree that the waitress seemed to be the only good starting character

[@qumquathedgehog9439]

Game needs way more random events, alternate events, and enemies to avoid getting boring quick. Like... a couple hundred more events, even if the event conclusions are similar. Otherwise, it looks promising so far.

[@hollenhammer]

best job i ever had

[@redtheyiffer]

Some issues: a character in an rpg should probably never deal a constant 1 damage unless it's like Terry in Lisa and even he gets pretty good later. Battles have no point which leads to the issue of the characters not leveling up and staying lame forever. I believe that at some point, you have to be able to deal more than 1 dmg yourself. Thematically you can still suck at stats but still with some growth. Battles are too punishing right away, either rework some of the enemies to be weaker or come up with more fodder easy to kill enemies and make them common. Money should not be used for special attacks as it feels pretty punishing to do anything, if we want to be more original than mp, the inventory system of no delivery for specials should work. I'd like to say that this is the least offensive thing and it may actually be fine, just personal opinion. I'd like to add that I believe I understand why escaping is hard: otherwise you'd escape every fight and just avoid playing the game.

[@LeudieBlues]

I did like the system in no delivery where you either use items or health for your skills, its an interesting concept and helped weigh your options during a fight

[@PsychoIncarnate666]

Last time I saw someone played this they were able to get plenty of employees. Man, this is some bad RNG

[@desertsage6932]

Vinny dies forgetting how to perform janitorial duties

[@18themxxn_]

absolutely enthralled by tumbleweed cam

[@willfreedo]

Yoooo check out that monster attack at 10:30 Or better yet: take a look at that astounding peaceful rolling to the left at 26:25

[@gavin_k]

No Delivery was one of those games I caught on stream a while back and it got stuck in my brain. Whenever I think of creepy rpgmaker games that one immediately pops in my head. Something about it really crawled under my skin. It felt so disturbing and messed up but I couldn't stop watching the stream. Like that part with the "hand puppet" mascot? Eugh. It's cool to see more by this developer but this game needs a lot of work. Also No Delivery deserves way more attention.

[@MrSammichMANOMNOMNOM]

I can't think of a single turn based RPG that does "escape" right, and that's my favorite genre of game. Absolutely nobody on this planet finds it fun or engaging to hit the run button repeatedly and get "Can't Escape! Can't Escape! Can't Escape!" until they die. It's been like that since the 80s, and everybody knows it sucks! That's why devs include items like repels to avoid encounters in the first place, or smoke bombs to guarantee escape, but nobody actually addresses the root of the problem! It's not like it'd be hard to do either, you could guarantee escape but at a cost! Either you lose money, drop an item, take retreating damage, or gain a negative status effect. It'd be a hell of a lot more interesting than what we currently have.

[@Paranuui]

Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne fans would LOVE this game

[@kevinm5940]

In Omori, they simply won't let you press the "escape" button if you can't flee from an encounter, which means you never have to waste a turn. That game's battle system isn't that great, but at least they got that right.

[@Duckarefun101]

Mario and Luigi RPG games did this. You have to mash to get away and you lose a shit ton of coins, making it low cost if you’re poor and high cost if you’re cocky

[@sold0ut210]

Final Fantasy 8 had a run option you held down without interrupting combat turns and would tell you if fleeing was not possible. I really liked the way that game did the system.

[@SomeKittyCat]

I love how the user "silkendreams" in chat malded more over this game during the WHOLE stream than Vin did at any single point.

[@Ofxzh]

I wanted to go into this blind, but since you’re doing it I guess im getting a sneak peak.

[@PearsAreOk]

whats the point of the escape button if you never can escape lmao

[@Mario583a]

Welcome to worklife.

[@decalcomanie123]

If an RPG game makes you go "aww man another battle?" in like 15 minutes, not a good sign. One of the few games I've seen Vinny play that's just incredibly boring to watch.

[@KimeramonRocks]

just like being a manager

[@LaurentIpsum]

You should watch his playthrough of "No Delivery". Same dev, similar vibe. It's a slow burn type of rpg. It builds on itself gradually, and with persistence the game opens up to have more features and more locations, unlocking lore, etc.

[@decalcomanie123]

@@LaurentIpsum I did when he played that one and I instantly recognized the style. Foggy memory but I think it was significantly more interesting than this one. I just thought the dev might have put too much emphasis on the dull feel of a retail job this time around.

[@CimyrRazely]

So battles are a mega slog AND there’s no rewards for winning a fight? And everything you do costs money? What a totally fun sounding game!

[@bibepomp]

Hope Oates fixes the combat/team system soon to force an employee hire so stuff like this doesn't happen. Their games, aesthetic and roguelike-esque mechanics are cool, but this is overtly unforgiving for the system they set up. Also I typically love the quiet/no-music horror setup they got with their games but this felt too empty, especially with it being a supermarket, I was expecting some droning background music. The battles feel a little lackluster since they aren't super terrifying either, so no music doesn't enhance much of the experience. I would like to assume it's just due to the demo and the dev has music in production.

[@corneliusmcmuffin3256]

Imagine being the five people on KZbin who watched this before tumbleweed stream went up…

[@Balblair]

Combat was rough, even compared to their previous game. But if it's because RNG was really unfavorable on Vinny then I hope it's something they improve on in the full version.

[@yoteawhirl1987]

The mop and broom items are the most important thing in the demo. Certain actions invite fights more than others and the goal is to avoid all fights.

[@LaurentIpsum]

No Delivery was pretty tight, I'm sure they'll tune this up just fine

[@thethrashyone]

Is this dev just on a mission to make an rpg out of every type of shitty job out there? If so, one about warehouse work might be interesting. Actually, I'd be interested in seeing how he could pull off a game set in an accounting office. Perhaps one of the boss fights would consist of fixing a broken formula in an Excel spreadsheet...

[@Bobba_raekus]

The only game less fun than an actual retail job.

[@Leetgrain]

This was... honestly a slog, it needs a lot of work before it releases, the combat was incredibly lop-sided, the player does paltry amounts of damage compared to the enemies, you're absolutely beholden to getting employees, of which you need rng to get. Skills based on money doesn't seem to work with how easy it is to die, you very easily get to the point where you can't use skills and it doesn't seem like moneybags respawn (and trash is too limited to be a viable way to earn money) The premise is interesting, and with a lot more events and more meaningful decisions in how to proceed, I could see it being a very fun game, but.. yeah. after a lot of work.

[@GregoryMom]

Well, it is a demo.. I agree

[@Dinofly4]

Seeing this kind of style just makes me want a Yuppie Psycho stream

[@YumekuiNeru]

wow I thought youtube was bugging out by displaying the previous video in the corner

[@crackstuntman22]

Chat haaated this game.

[@JiF28]

Must be good then

[@Calvin_Coolage]

@@JiF28 Nah this thing needs a lot of work compared to the No Delivery demo.

[@Friendofme]

Well, can you blame them?

[@crackstuntman22]

@@JiF28 not like Vinny was a big fan either.

[@KawaiiBabyTragon]

@@Friendofme Yes. Always blame chat.

[@TheElectricRaichu]

I KNEW this looked familiar! I remember watching Vinny play the demo for No Delivery ages ago.

[@DiamondAppendixVODs]

24:20 is that a fucking AMOGUS in the tumbleweed corner???

[@comicrya4290]

Gotta love that rpg maker battle system that has an escape button almosy every time

[@RobertRaz0r]

Every battle Vinny got his businASS handed to him

[@jared6343]

someone has to tell this guy he doesn't need to try to make the next darkest dungeon with every demo lol

[@DarthCrust66]

I love the idea behind this game but it seems to punishing for me

[@swightly]

Can't escape! 🥲

[@hollenhammer]

I see where the game is coming from. working retail and having to wrestle with this shit will end up with you damaging yourself

[@sargeantsaxophone9396]

This game is just one big metaphor for retail.

[@18themxxn_]

What metaphor? The game's a 100% accurate depiction of retail

[@thepenguin9]

Is this horror n oates? The thumbnail immediately gives me horror n oates stuff

[@soullesspinkamenapinkamena1747]

🎵 Rollin` Rollin` Rollin` 🎶

[@AliC202]

I like this guy's aesthetics, but seems all his games are basically the same thing with different dressing...

[@vitzel33]

just like puppetcombo. they got one thing right and they keep running with it

[@SamLovesMovies25]

"Which version of Blade Runner?" The Final Cut, yes, but I must add: The 4K edition (which includes Final Cut)! They did a FANTASTIC job with the restoration and transfer, and it looks significantly better than the Final Cut Blu Ray IMO (the annoying teal tint is gone, hooray) and it is one of the BEST-looking 4K discs I have even seen thus far. Seriously it will blow you away with how amazing it looks!

[@Twitch380]

holy cow the combat needs tuning hardcore

[@BIGMILKO]

I fucking love oates' games and I'm so happy Vinny got to this one fast

[@nintendofan222222222]

why is there another game in the bottom corner 33:52 thanks mr sauce

[@kyrridas1573]

yeah, oof. thers a mountain of problems with this. but in addition to the balancing of combat/rng, i have to ask...why doesnt the game have a fail state?! three strikes, then you start losing money. then youre just at 0 money and expected to keep going? to dig yourself out of an unwinnable grave? at least have the decency to game over and force the player to restart with money and employees again. also, no rewards for combat? really? i mean, i get that its not trying to be a standard rpg, so i wouldnt expect xp or level ups...but combat is _actually_ pointless? then, just...why? why game? why is game?

[@promania8956]

Would be a nice addition if there was that after you've played enough days you get to a Interview section were you can recruit more then one employee. And maybe there could be a chance of special rare employees showing up. And maybe a chance that you sometimes get the chance to hire a veteran who has been working there far longer with better skills but is more expensive. Also the Employees should level up and get more skills and evolve in a sense were they have a better position by you being able to promote them to a better position. That has better skills and special skills.

[@alysskuriyama5538]

Yyyyeah this game seems like it needs some adjustments to the rng or to add a guaranteed employee right at the start so you don't get sucked into the spiral of bad rng like Vinny did. Also, the enemies are way too hard from the beginning. I can understand difficulty, but if there's a chance that you won't get an employee right away, the early enemies should be easy enough that you at least have a chance of winning by yourself. Especially if escape is unreliable.

[@GodammmitKalcour]

Didn't realize this was an RPG maker game, that's really sick.

[@mathiaswilhelm1902]

I wonder if there’s a way to use dish spread

[@kathrineici9811]

The dev forgot the part where a bunch of teenagers throw a ton of inventory into a cart and race out of the store, chased by the exhausted and totally-done-with-their-shit senior employees while the newbies stare awkwardly over the cash registers

[@SwordfighterRed]

I still maintain that oates would be better off with a custom engine for this kind of thing.

[@CriticalCrazy]

I don’t know how difficult oates games are supposed to play, I played through all of no delivery with infinite stuns

[@ridiculicious]

The combat needs work for sure, but there was also a lot of button mashing when a safe choice, or relatively-safe choice, could have been picked. The "missing shopping cart" with the ghost was only picked once at the beginning, even though it looked like nothing bad happens if you pick it. Of course, it also could have been confused for the similar "GATHER shopping carts", so at a glance, the two become the same thing.

[@emporer15]

A few years ago, Vinny played Night Of The Living Consumers as the new guy. Now he gets to see the other side as the manager. What'll come next?

[@Johnbreadcorn404]

I'm really happy to know which version of blade runner to watch now

[@KimeramonRocks]

this one isnt as fun as the chuck e cheeze one but hey, not everyone can be a super star. this one is missing out on more creepy stuff but hopefully the final product makes the game more weird

[@Zero_Shift]

21:15 Why does he say that? They very clearly work together. Sometimes I really wonder what makes him say these things.

[@GreenTeaTheTea]

ok but what's with the tumbleweed lol

[@rosera99]

im tryna figure that out too

[@sonichujfs2393]

Vin uploaded a video called tumbleweed destiny I think that's what that is

[@MarioSonic46]

A game about a tumbleweed saving the world

[@neomothdev2]

to be fair theres only so much you can do with the rpg maker battle system

[@electricalman481]

Vinny is either *dummy* unlucky or the RNG needs to be tweaked.

[@doctortwilight]

Sorry We're Open has an Earthbound/Mother vibe to it in my opinion

[@sterilepancake]

It reminds me a lot of the Lisa series, which was mainly inspired by Earthbound.

[@Jadedbunny8]

Hell yeah I love games by this dev.

[@bejczyreal]

Slags

[@BelongsintheTrash]

I may be losing my mind since I don’t see any comments about it, but does anyone else see the footage going on the bottom left part of the video? It looks like a… Tumbleweed simulator? What the hell is happening?

[@silversteeldragunn]

oh man great to see the balance in Oat's games are still whack this was a huge problem in no delivery as well, and it's reeaaaal disappointing to see here, too. like, c'mon! you can figure out fair balance, I'm sure! but hey the style is on point and we love to see it

[@Spookhunter7]

What's with the Tumbleweed gameplay bottom left?

[@ColevLost]

It was a bit, Vinny was going to return to the game after playing this demo and the Easter pack and had it going on autopilot

[@Spookhunter7]

@@ColevLost Oh ok, Thought Susan was going mental and play videos I didn't click on to start playing.

[@coachdorn7641]

Hey Vin, I gave you 5K bits the other night, but had to get back to work. I just want to make sure you got the message I sent. Thanks again for all the content over the years and please keep uploading to YT.

[@HelloKittySGTC]

This seems lole a cool game, but damn the enemy give a lot of damage and you hardly give damage.

[@ollieeeeeeeee]

does anyone know if vinny has talked about our flag means death on a recent stream? i’m curious to know if he watched/ what he thought since i know he’s a taika waititi and rhys darby fan

[@user199x]

One trick pony

[@Stainlesssteele4]

I feel like Oates is very artistically talented and creative, but not super great at the mechanical side of things, and maybe relies on the same framework a bit too much

[@ulqinaku8471]

Didn’t vinny a game like this year’s ago?

[@halo7oo]

no he game like this year ago

[@skunthundler]

@@halo7oo he did game like this year ago, stop lying.

[@KawaiiBabyTragon]

Jokes aside, the answer you want is "No Delivery". Same Dev.

[@ulqinaku8471]

@@KawaiiBabyTragon oh ok that make sense

[@jakkandjing]

Why more word when less word work

[@jongameaddict]

Vinny just... doesn't comment on the tumbleweed game going on? Straaange....

[@hollenhammer]

33:52 also it was probably mentioned before and after this part of the stream occurred

[@bluefoxgamersd2783]

without vinny this would be unwatchable let alone unplayable

[@techknight3753]

I know it's a demo for an indie game but cmon the dev could have had SOME foresight... This was painful to watch as somebody who enjoys learning about game design.

[@Duckarefun101]

Then now you know what NOT to do, right? :)

[@plazmasyt]

I feel like this game is trying to be Earthbound, maybe not a carbon copy but it feels like it's trying to have its vibe mixed with a bit of analogue horror.

[@teapeaa]

Haha interesting, but this sucks Edit: vinny also is pretty dumb during this play though too, always chooses the option that gets him into a fight

[@bladeRoller]

Vinny: trys to escape 30times in a row Vinny: fails 30times in a row Vinny: continues trying to escape. Why are you this dense???

[@Mario583a]

Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy. Did I ever tell you the definition... of insanity?

[@samsammich8465]

wow this game is a little bs isnt it. You really are just beholden to garbage rng. The fact that the character and the rest of the party do piss poor damage while everything else can kill you in 2 hits is artificially inflated difficulty at its finest. I understand that this is a demo and may very well change, but a demo might as well be seen as an advertisement. If the demo is bad less people are going to buy the full game, no matter the work that is put into making it better. In other words there is no excuse for it being a mind numbing slough from start to finish

[@askele-tonofgaming4878]

Id prefer this if it was a backrooms game and not a "oh boy part time jobs suck 2"

[@aidenx9030]

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[@GoogleUser-ms6hr]

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[@ieatbeescontactme501]

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[@dragonslayermasterornstein83]

y please

[@TheLaughingManXC]

This game seems like... no fun at all...

[@Boamere]

Maybe I’m just tasteless but these games seem really boring

[@MeloettaMarmalade]

I really enjoyed the stream as a chill stream, but I could see how someone could think of this as a non-stream game. Guess it just depends on the person

[@SpookerstheSpoo]

This game genuinely looks terrible.