Vinny talks about Dune: Part Two

[@Bones_]

The emperor’s justification for killing Leto felt appropriate in the scene, as it was not an internal description of his feelings, but a self-righteous justification that he is telling Paul while still refusing to yield. He’s not confessing honestly. If he told Paul that he killed his father for being a charismatic threat, that would be admitting his own weakness in front of others which would feel out of place and cowardly for a proud emperor.

[@warwolt]

Also they DO say that it was because he was to popular in the movies, don't they?

[@ElSuperNova23]

@@warwoltYeah in the first one, there's a line like "they look to house atreides for leadership" or something like that.

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

I loved when Christopher walken walked without rhythm so he won’t attract the worm.

[@Sam_T2000]

that didn’t happen.

[@JJungleJapeson]

Call me Christopher Walken without rhythm

[@Slothatrongaming]

​@@Sam_T2000 🤓

[@First-Name_Last-Name]

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars" - Paul Muad'Dib, Star Trek

[@whiteydiamond]

You can go with this or you can go with that

[@lithium444]

the best part of the movie was when Elvis was fighting at the stadium and then someone suddenly knocked a chair over his head and the camera turned around and it's Vinny but Harkonnenified so he's bald (I just realized I described Joel) I'm a bit surprised the Guild Navigator did not show up (correction they dont at all in the first book)

[@vanivan5202]

It's vinesaucing time...

[@SprDrumio64]

Vincent sinks down back into his slime

[@LWmusik]

the guild navigator was the best part of the 1984 movie, dude looked freaky

[@ZalaDa3rd]

@lwmusik He didn't show up until Messiah in the source material right? Either way they're definitely saving the fishmen for when audiences are already fully bought in

[@EmperorSigismund]

Lynch Film: "We've installed a heart plug. Don't worry, everyone gets one around here." Villeneuve Film:"We've made you fat, pale and bald. Don't worry. It happens to everyone around here."

[@jonarrolovsson9580]

Vinny, imagine Meat as Shai-Hulud

[@zwan6740]

Quick, someone who can draw make art of Vinny riding Meat like Paul rode the worm

[@MedievalSock]

​@@zwan6740 "Someone make art of Vinny riding meat"

[@Gelatinocyte2]

Meat-Hulud

[@CallumDark]

Honestly if Messiah is also good, we could have a perfect trilogy. I was worried Timmy wouldn't be able to handle going full Paul but he definitely managed it. And I think most of the changes they made for the film worked better for the medium.

[@MilkyWayGrump]

Out of context, "going full Paul" is such a funny phrase

[@banjo304]

I didn't care for the leads, Timothee and Zendaya. Every time they were on screen i wanted to see more Harkonnens or Stilgar.

[@SciontheDark]

​@@Chaoskoch such as?

[@KaygeeFromNanotrasen]

​@@Chaoskochme when I lie

[@Realmohg]

@@banjo304some people wouldnt know a good movie if it slammed them over the head

[@chaImers]

Some of the changes I actually liked. I always thought Alia ganking the baron was a bit goofy, even when I first read it as a teen. And the whole bit with the first baby Leto never really stuck with me, forgot he even existed for a while. Luckily the guild navigators don’t actually show up until Messiah so they will 100% be in the movie, especially with Edric involved.

[@_skylined]

My favorite part was when Lawrence of Arabia had to ride a sandworm to prove his worth to the Bedouins.

[@phantomkrieger2744]

I also liked it when Lawrence challenged Enver Pasha to single combat so he could become the Kaiser.

[@Rozwal85]

3:38 "The characters are the characters" - Vincent "Vinesauce" Sauce

[@yanipheonu]

You aren't always that lucky.

[@Deadrum]

One of the critics of our time

[@NatetheNerdy]

My favorite part of the movie was when emperor Walken was talking to Paul and said "Your father hid your Grandfather's nuclear arsenal in the one place he knew I wouldn't search. Up his ass."

[@Emuney12]

Every scene with the Fremen riding the worms was so damn cool. I'm glad I watched this in theaters because you could feel the impactful sound designs and soundtrack that kept the heart pounding.

[@redcomet_622]

Since the band Toto scored the original 80s Dune film, Red Vox should score Dune Messiah

[@Sam_T2000]

I don’t think Shaddam meant that Leto was simply too weak to be an effective leader… I think he meant that he was too noble, which he saw as a weakness itself, and recognized that if Leto took power, and he was poised to do, it would end in disaster for the galaxy, because you need an iron fist to lead, or something… which is probably true, considering how Leto II ends up leading.

[@EssenceOfBanana]

I saw it as the Emperor lying in an attempt to shake Paul off balance a bit. In the first film the Baron has a line where he accurately describes Shaddam as "a very jealous man".

[@ApexGale]

A war was coming regardless. Shaddam's rule was destined to fail, all of the houses were out for blood. Paul's actions only served to hasten it and turn himself and his faction into the newest players in the game of politics.

[@flashmozzg]

I interpreted it more as him being envious of Leto achieving so much and threatening his rule while remaining "too noble". He HAD to get rid of him, otherwise it'd meant that he was weak himself.

[@mikoirl]

So how does this movie fit into the Timothee Chalamet Wonkaverse and when can I expect a Dune Interactive Experience featuring Barry, 63 as Baron Harkonnen?

[@grumbotron4597]

"Luv me desert, luv me Arrakis, luv me Dune. 'Ate the Fremen. Simple as." -Barry Harkonnen

[@inkja-gs]

Having the Molgera theme in the background of this video is thematically perfect - in all seriousness, I loved the film, it's one of those once-in-awhile movies I tell everyone to try and see in the theater at least once

[@piratessfifi]

My sister and I had the same reaction when it was over, we could've watched another 20 minutes. Also, Stilgar's final 'Lisan al gaib!!" was both the funniest and most powerful moment of the film lol

[@ghostprimer]

Binty, you misinterpreted the emperor’s reasoning for killing Leto. It is still because he’s too likable, righteous, and charismatic. The Baron says so in Dune 1 and the emperor says he’s weak in this one for the same reason, because he lets his heart make the choices instead of being cold and analytical

[@weirdblackcat]

Yeah, referring to a leader as "weak" is a common trope (with real life examples), and it means "they have empathy".

[@tom901ful]

It is basically Machiavelli's philosophy, you can be loved and righteous, but other leaders who aren't will perceive you as weak and not as a threat, so they will overthrow you. So they see you as "weak".

[@DrunkenCoward1]

My interpretation of that line isn't that the emperor thought Leto was "weak", as in "shitty". He obviously loved Leto, this becomes much clearer in the book. I mean, love as in, really very respects. I think Shadam was throwing some shade at Paul, some anger. He means Leto was weak because he couldn't wriggle free from the trap. I think he hoped that Leto might defeat the Harkonnen.

[@waterbears9874]

this part really made me feel like we're witnessing this decades equivalent to maybe lord of the rings, real good stuff. I love how this movie presents scale and the whole art direction of everything felt so unique

[@DQBlizzard_]

I think when Timothy brought out the oompa loompas and said "its Wonkin' time" was really intense

[@Relugus]

The chocolate must flow!

[@BeccaLuna97]

this is the first film i've gone to see multiple times in the theatre. incredible imax experience and the type of film you finish watching and think wow, im so happy we're alive in a time that movies like this get made. I hope Denis sticks the landing with messiah

[@ThePikaNick]

You have to see it in IMAX. The worm riding scene was astonishing. I've never felt a movie as much as I did for this one in IMAX. My seat felt like it was shaking for so many scenes and it was the best IMAX experience I've ever had.

[@joeykeilholz925]

Liemax or real???

[@dlaniganohara]

​@@joeykeilholz925technically Liemax, but they did a weird thing where they converted it to IMAX film and then back???

[@ThePikaNick]

@@joeykeilholz925 I'm pretty sure my IMAX is a lie max but the sound quality is IMAX quality. Even if it's not a true IMAX it's still worth it for the expanded ratio and insane audio.

[@WallyWachell]

@@joeykeilholz925CMX, IMAX, whatever cinema that has really good ass speakers.

[@freshglizzy3763]

saw it in IMAX and the worm roar loosened my bowels

[@crackstuntman22]

I was watching a clip of David Lynch Dune and one of the first things they say is "so beautiful."

[@Roivas_]

Very well-spoken review, I think you nailed it. On the Emperor's motivation, I got the impression of irony and maybe a little bit of self projection in the face of his usurping. The subtext of Leto being a threat continues well into the 2nd part with everyone still freaking out about the Atreides legacy.

[@EveryFakeGenius]

Definitely suggest reading the next two books after Messiah if youre still interested in the setting. God Emporer is a fantastic book that I dont think could ever be properly adapted.

[@gerardmoran]

Dude that was a brilliant review. You say you're not a professional critic but you spoke as if you were. Covered all bases. Impressive

[@thousandyeargems4360]

The omission of the spacing guild kinda sucked. I get it wouldve been too much going on.. it makes sense dennis wants to save Eldric for the the next film, but i think they shouldve been more mentioned atleast. But damn i just wanted to see the directors take on them.

[@AbsoluteTravisT]

Tim Blake Nelson had a small part that was cut and they didn't name him but people suspect it was setting up Eldric.

[@JC-kl3uc]

I love how Paul looks on that poster as if he couldn't take a dump for weeks, while Batista is being right in the middle of it

[@posteriorpepperoni]

Javier Bardem just finished dropping a Shai-Hulud of his own,judging from the look of relief

[@CitrusLimonade]

My favourite part of the movie was when Chalamet said "guys", "what are you guys talking about..."... People think it's weird that some of the characters are called Paul, Jessica, Duncan Idaho, in a science-fiction universe. I think it's weird that Paul Atreides Muad'Dib Usul, uses the word "guys".

[@minhuang8848]

they speak pretty much diegetic space English throughout both movies, how on earth are either the names or "guys" an issue here

[@themarkktv]

Yeah, guys sounds way too current day for the year ten thousand

[@HarrisBoe]

I just think there’s something inherently silly about the name Duncan Idaho. Meanwhile, many of the most common names today were present in the Bible, meaning they’re already thousands of years old. Paul, Adam, John, Peter, Mary, Joe (short for Joseph), etc. It shouldn’t be weird for names like that to still be around in Dune’s time.

[@HarrisBoe]

@@themarkktv 🤓 actually it’s even farther into the future than that. It’s 10,191 *AG,* meaning after the Spacing Guild established a monopoly on space travel. It’s likely that the formation of a corporate monopoly being made the new “year 0” was done in an attempt to standardize things in a society in which the lengths of things like days and years can differ between the peoples of different planets. The Spacing Guild was established approximately 11,075 AD, meaning if we are to assume the guild to continued using Earth time as their basis of timekeeping, Dune actually takes place in the year 21,266 AD.

[@themarkktv]

@@HarrisBoe Thanks, I didn't know that! that's enough time for the word "Guys" to make a comeback and feel dated all over again

[@StephanosBlack]

I really liked the parts where Paul Atreides said: "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere" and "They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals!"

[@butterspread]

Literally just got back from watching it. I enjoy. Timothée Chalamet plays white jesus

[@PleasantLeech]

He's a lot nicer than I imagine white Jesus being lol

[@BBBrrrr]

I thought the woman in the middle was a battle droid

[@LangstonDev]

Me too!!

[@QuarrelsomeLocalOaf]

Roger roger

[@Relugus]

22:19 The Emperor wouldnt admit that, that he felt threatened is implied by the Baron calling him a "jealous man".

[@JBarG22]

"The characters are the characters" - John Soldier

[@Hi-fd4cw]

I don’t like sand

[@Rick586]

I was waiting to watch part 1 until I heard whether or not part 2 was good. Now I've got two great movies to watch over the next couple weekends! Thanks, Vin!

[@SciontheDark]

Systems within systems

[@DrunkenCoward1]

I haven't seen this movie yet, waiting for Saturday to go see it with a friend of mine who is HUGE on Dune and who introduced it to me. I owe that much to him. However, I already know that all the scenes with Tim Blake Nelson have been cut, who I was EXTREMELY looking forward to - if he really played Count Fenring like I theorized, it would have been THE performance of the movie. And I will never forgive Denis Villeneuve for taking that from me.

[@Dr.Strangelewd]

Haven't seen the movie yet, but second half of the book is where it becomes especially interesting with all the religious themes.

[@lasarousi]

I enjoyed the movie very much, It completed the two parter, now we have a 6 hour movie that is great to gander at alone and semented Villeneuve.

[@SFTaYZa]

Semented indeed

[@steel5897]

🤨

[@tangerino3199]

I think we should make “Harkonnenful” an adjective

[@Maxisamo1]

I totally get what Vinny meant by Stilgar's growing fanaticism being terrifying after being funny at first I wish he went more into it, but you can see this usually stone-faced demeanor slowly become excited and almost pathetically enamored with Paul. You can SEE that man will kill ANYONE if Paul told him to by the end

[@spacebassist]

the book had a fantastic line for that near the end, right before the last fight: "Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Fremen naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it" i finished the book before seeing the film and seeing Stilgar slowly give in to that fanaticism felt almost like it did in the book, he's a bit more enthused in the film so it's slightly less gradual but it was a similar experience. after some point you realise, he's not Stilgar the Fremen leader anymore, he's Stilgar the right-hand man of Muad'dib edit: not quite related but it's also wild to me that readers back then missed obvious things like Paul feeling failure wash over him as he realises what he's done, the constant looming threat of the jihad and walking a tightrope to the one future that would avoid it, Jessica telling Paul to ease off a bit, literally voicing her discomfort at how much he's embracing the prophecy it's borderline telling the reader directly: "this is not good"

[@VoidVagabond]

12:21 my best friend does this thing where he'll intentionally see a sequel without seeing the first movie. Personally it drives me insane when he does that, but even he did enjoy Dune 2. He did know some details of the first film tho.

[@Akrilloth]

Your best friend is an absolute psycho, lmao.

[@AlienatedBronze]

To be honest great sequels usually also are great films on their own, and you can always watch the first one after it. I don't see why you would do that though

[@thisninja11]

you fought well, atreides..

[@FunkyGhost37]

Watching the Dune movies back to back will be like watching the LOTR Trilogy back to back.

[@HonestlyJustSomeGuy]

Set aside a whole day and have a lot of patience?

[@KingThrillgore]

I hope there are theaters screening all three at once

[@deadturret4049]

2:22 David Lynch was actually asked to do a star wars film before doing Dune, but he turned it down because he was too confused by it. So of course he then did a movie based on a much more difficult source material

[@xsct878]

He wasn’t “confused”, he thought Star Wars was corny and had zero interest in working with the property.

[@zacko5242]

We had the same blur issue at my theatre in Australia

[@MaskedTai]

I thought the film was gorgeous, well-made, with a strong vision from a director who knew exactly how to approach the material in a way that makes the story suitable for the screen. I feel like it's fantastic from a visual spectacle standpoint, and that the construction of the story's world was intricate without being so dissimilar as to be unrecognizable. That all being said, I've never felt an emotional resonance from the characters in Dune. I like Lynch's take on the story from the 80s, and I like this movie, both for different reasons. But I've never really been able to care about the story or it's players, and this movie didn't affect that for me. The characters are all played extremely well, casting was spot on. But due to the nature of the story being focused on a bunch of shitty people, it was hard to care about anything that happened. Unless I was just feeling bad for the supporting cast committing themselves to a galactic war for the sake of some old stories perpetuated to control a populace. Which... That's honestly the world around us, and I do appreciate when fiction can present those things to us in an entertaining fashion, rather than our depressing reality.

[@minhuang8848]

Yeah, kinda felt the same. It was well-made, but if I had to compare it to Villeneuve, something like Arrival, it was missing a lot that made me really want to watch it for almost three hours. Not at all bad, which is how I feel about many movies people think mediocre... just not my cup of tea. Might still set up something I end up liking way more than the individual parts, but so far, it was just decent entertaining for me.

[@screech-screecher536]

That’s generally the point of the book, everyone is grey at best. It’s one of the reasons Tolkien wasn’t a fan of dune. If that’s what you didn’t like no amount of movie magic will probably make you fully enjoy it.

[@MaskedTai]

@@screech-screecher536 Probably not. I like the creativity behind the writing, there's a lot of cool shit going on. But it's kind of like a big bowl of sugary cereal. It tastes great, but it's not filling (or nutritious but that's not the point).

[@MrLupin_Speen]

Honestly, this movie is a good part 2 in my opinion. I really liked both Timmothée Chalamet and Austin Buttler’s performances, especially at the end knife fight. Though the ending was a bit confusing for me (granted, I only read Dune like once as a teen). Can’t wait to see a Villeneuve’s Dune 3/Dune Messiah film.

[@gunosaguki1]

I'm glad I did catch it on imax. I finally live near one again and I hadnt seen an imax film since fantasia 2000 (which was also amazing for that)

[@MrDgf97]

Gerudo Desert from Twilight Princess is such a fitting song

[@Mr1337Fabulous]

Your review made me realise THAT was Austen Butler. In the theatre I assumed it was one of the Skarsgard boys.

[@SprDrumio64]

Really loved this movie but: No guild navigators and no princess alia running around as a goblin child was kinda disappointing

[@doctorreed_]

same i was crestfallen that we didnt get alia, toddler prophet of doom, but honestly im not sure current moviegoing audiences could have handled that

[@LangstonDev]

​@doctorreed_ my disappointment was immeasurable

[@Momon143]

Thankfully Alia is extremely well done in Lynch's version.

[@TheDoctorGnome]

Saw it in standard theater and loved it, going to see it again in IMAX next week!

[@saranghae1saranghae]

Haven't seen it yet, but I read all of the (Herbert) books. I'm just glad people are enjoying the story. It's too bad we don't get to see the little abomination have her moment, but I understand the change.

[@chemergency]

Vinny should stream Dune 2000 at some point. It's Command & Conquer with a Dune skin fun stuff.

[@chaImers]

he did a prerecord of the recent dune rts

[@foolfooly3553]

My god I remember playing that on my PS1 all the time. It sucked! But I loved it because I made cool little soldiers blow stuff up and get eaten by worms

[@tamagoh4839]

I'm still waiting the cat milk scene, must be in the part 3.

[@slimeburger7644]

Stilgar blindly following faith had me and I guess a lot of people thinking of the Life of Brian scene of him denying that he is the messiah, and everyone believing in him, despite his reluctance

[@spacebassist]

"he's not the Lisan al-Gaib, he's a very naughty duke!"

[@lubasmb]

the david lynch impression was on point

[@NinjaFaceGames]

I think the Emperor's motivation was that Leto was a threat, it's implied in Dune 1 if I'm not mistaken. I think he said what he did about Leto just as a way to taunt Paul.

[@warnegoodman]

Jessica: drinks water of life Alia has logged in

[@rikuown]

it's not dune anymore! it's DUNC!

[@EssenceOfBanana]

DUNC: Part Deux

[@tyrannysend]

The loathsome dunc eatur.

[@nekokonata]

DUNC

[@Calvin_Coolage]

According to Google Translate DUNC means THEREFORE.

[@Olistar255]

It's not Al anymore!

[@_Cetarial]

@@Calvin_CoolageCan’t wait for THEREFORE Part 3.

[@Sam_T2000]

DUnC*

[@egyedgergo8904]

⁠@@Calvin_CoolageI DUNC, therefore I am

[@whiteydiamond]

Anyone notice the Boisvert guys during the stadium fight?

[@Vyzard]

Every time I saw Walken walking I immediately hear that Fatboy slim song. Also I hope based on this glowing review, devs doing the Dune awakening game will give Vinny some keys. To play himself and to give away to viewers ❤

[@DementedView]

I hope he reads all the way through God Emperor Dune.

[@Mrlongname]

One of the best movies I have ever seen. Can't wait for the third movie.

[@danielalonso7478]

Villenueve does want to conclude what he sees as a trilogy with Messiah, and with how Part Two is tracking, it looks like he'll be able to do it. But we're probably gonna have longer for it than we waited for Part Two, seeing as Denis wants to tackle a different movie before directing a third installment. Would also love for these movies to get extended editions á la Lord of the Rings considering how much gets cut/condensed, but chances of that are slim to none considering Denis is committed to doing only one cut of his movies, period.

[@LaconixTM]

That was my only gripe too is that we didnt see any navigators! Otherwise it was masterpiece.

[@KingThrillgore]

I think the bubble suit people in the first are them, since they swim around in the spice. Same with CHOAM and the Butlerian Jihad. And I get why they aren't there, they're inconsequential to the story at best, once you make it all about the power the Baron holds with the Emperor and the other houses. They are excess padding that can be thrown out.

[@jackbennett2269]

I think Dune 2 definitely was slow paced, but I agree the editing was good and kept the movie going

[@wagenenr]

tbf I was pretty sure that the emperor was lying to Paul to throw him off guard when I saw it, but I understand the frustration with that

[@RamblingGreek]

Anyone else noticed the music Vinny is using here is the sand worm boss music from Zelda Wind Waker??

[@ShutterSnapped]

I honestly loved what they did with Chani in the adaptation for the movie. She is basically the reader/viewer; there should be a sense of dread and conflicting emotions for the audience to see what is transpiring. Zendaya did a fantastic job towards the end of the movie to show, completely visually, her emotions and care for Paul and how he's also embracing the false prophecy. She's a great "in" for how I felt as a book reader seeing Paul diving into what becomes a massacre.

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

It's terrible and complete character assassination. Also, Paul HAS to do what he did. Not really a "false prophecy" because what he puts into motion SAVES THE HUMAN RACE.

[@spacebassist]

​i'm a little concerned you may have some bias,@@Kwisatz-Chaderach jokes aside, going off book 1, my takeaway was "damned if you do, damned if you don't" but it's also interesting that he thought he had the power to stop the Bene Gesserit's consequences by himself. that to me foreshadows how easily he grows to be comfortable with the power (not the prescience kind) he acquires. obviously he knows that the jihad would happen because of him (and he saw the one future where it wouldn't) but it speaks to his belief in his own power as a person, to think that he can push it the other way i think this quote from the end of book 1 describes my other perception, i thought that surely dying before he met the Fremen would stop or lessen the impact of the jihad: "And Paul saw how futile were any efforts of his to change any smallest bit of this. He had thought to oppose the jihad within himself, but the jihad would be. His legions would rage out from Arrakis even without him. They needed only the legend he already had become. He had shown them the way, given them mastery even over the Guild which must have the spice to exist. A sense of failure pervaded him... " (p.452, then he fights Feyd-Rautha) there's also this line which makes me think that he could never walk that tightrope because the futures were too complex to say he could affect the changes he intended: "The prescience, he realized, was an illumination that incorporated the limits of what it revealed-at once a source of accuracy and meaningful error. A kind of Heisenberg indeterminacy intervened: the expenditure of energy that revealed what he saw, changed what he saw" (~p279) (before he takes the waters of life and gains absolute clarity, which he does after getting "a certain spice tolerance that made prescient visions fewer and fewer" p.411) i honestly wonder if his first visions were showing him the futures where he lived, because he didn't want to die in the desert. he wanted to get to the Fremen and strike back at the Harkonnens. no bene gesserit and her son, no Lisan al-Gaib. no Lisan al-Gaib, no jihad (or so one would hope) he saw more as time went on (and with the help of spice, then the waters of life) so i think it's possible he didn't see it all that first time before meeting the Fremen. considering that just seeing the future could change it, and he only saw it for a moment the first time ("As swiftly as it had come, the sensation slipped away from him, and he realized the entire experience had taken the space of a heartbeat" p.188), it's unknown what else he would've seen had he (somehow) mastered his ability before interacting with the Fremen i've just started 2 but it's clear to me so far that he's still confident he can preserve the future, now by surviving whatever his rivals have planned for him, to the point that maybe this was always in him and part of the future consequences are because of his willingness to embrace anything for "the greater good". he wants to affect positive change but his very nature creates a feedback loop with the prophecy to only end up perpetuating it the prophecy itself is like quicksand, the more he tries to resist its ultimate consequence, his actions only heighten his stature to the Fremen and leaning into the messiah perception to steer the course could have only led to disaster (shy of absolute perfection, which he couldn't manage) i don't think he's evil or wrong, to be clear. i think his story is fascinating and brings up a lot of thoughts about fate and the unmatched power of pure belief, i'm eager to read on and see what comes of all this in Messiah

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

@@spacebassist based. Enjoy dude!

[@StereoTyp0]

I'm just happy Vinny has been dragged by Shy-UwU'd into the Dune fandom.

[@romanwashere2]

Vinny reads books? I thought he was just vidya game man

[@Onigirli]

Maybe he listened to an audiobook while playing vidya in his own time? Idk it's upsetting me too

[@thebonethief]

A book and adaptation about the horrors of war and the dangers of zealotous warmongering, yet I still walked out of the theater next to a guy in a Trump hat

[@amunpamun1312]

stilgar was actually comic relief tho, felt very natural to laugh in our theatre at least

[@amunpamun1312]

although i do not like that they made him comic relief.

[@spacebassist]

@@amunpamun1312 i did get a small feeling of comic relief, but i finished the book just before watching and this quote came to mind: "In that instant, Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Fremen naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it." (p.441)

[@RandomGuy0987]

I would have liked to see more of the Spacing Guild and a Guild Navigator. Otherwise it was a basically a 9/10 movie for me. Great cinema adaptation.

[@Ellzyboy]

You forgot a big component that they left out of the film due to the time skip. In the first book (dune part 2) paul has a child with Chani who is murdered as a baby.

[@TehSkullKid]

I think if I had to put it into numbers, I'd rate the first one 7.5/10 and this new one a 9.5/10. Nearly perfect in everything it does. I rarely feel much tension in action scenes anymore but it was palpable almost every time. Chalomet killed it this time around, and was much more compelling as you saw him embrace the messiah role. I know Villieneuve is generally opposed to showing any deleted material, but I'd love to see extended editions of these, like how LotR got. I miss the chapter about the conservatory, and the baron really could have used more screentime.

[@clanofclams2720]

6:35 bro they're related

[@Kitth3n]

Do you sound like your uncle?

[@clanofclams2720]

@@Kitth3n i have the same accent, yes.

[@Penultimeat]

I loved the part when Shai Hulud said “yeow!”

[@scottkent1223]

Pretty spot-on, IMO

[@harpoon_eggs]

didn't even know this was out or coming soon

[@pancakes8670]

My favorite part was when he looked at the camera and said "Red Vox"

[@bobjohnson7148]

Loved the Wojak World

[@MrGuy__]

get this floating head poster out of my face ugghgsdhftgsdhfgshfgs good movie :)

[@xyznihall]

great video

[@Sam_T2000]

I wish the _Dune_ story had been split into three parts, rather than two. the plot felt more and more rushed as _Part 2_ went on. …and then make _Messiah_ into the fourth movement to finish things off, like a symphony 👌

[@starzariaguy5151]

Denis Villenueve make a bad movie challenge (impossible).

[@mintyblur]

My one major complaint is the absence of the Spacing Guild. They are a major player and the entire reason why the emperor and all the great houses come to Arrakis at the end. Paul threatens to break the ecosystem of Arrakis and so destroy the spice forever, which would have huge consequences. In the movie he just invites the emperor and the emperor accepts. The movie is 2:30 hours long and at times it feels like not much happens, I think they could have integrated the spacing guild and maybe removed one of the scenes of Rabban attacking the fremen or removed the bit about the nuclear warheads. It would have made the whole final sequence much more nuanced and not so oversimplified.

[@kaneda7368]

At times it feels like not much happens? Damn I didn't think I'd hear that. From my point of view we were getting treated to a new event basically every minute, to the point where I had to go to the bathroom for the longest time but couldn't because I didn't want to miss anything. Finally gave in at one point but came back and felt like I missed a bunch of stuff just from being gone for 2 minutes.

[@mintyblur]

@@kaneda7368 That's fair. I've read the book so maybe there's some bias on my part about knowing what's happening. I think if something could be cut though for the sake of adding the spacing guild, the two things I mentioned would make sense.

[@daliilars3350]

7:38 Why was he hesitant to mention Josh Brolin? 7:57 Also why did he call Lea Seydoux a giant actor? 😅

[@Elfenlied8675309]

Maybe because Josh Brolin's character was presumed dead in the first movie? Maybe because Josh Brolin is a wife beater? I don't know. Could be either or.

[@Sangth123]

I think Walken actually played it perfectly. The people really criticizing him I think were imagining his delivery to be way more exaggerated than it really was on-screen.

[@Flash221]

I am in fact John GeneralAudience and I loved Dune 2.

[@Jindo1]

Lynch Dune is a banger 🤙

[@Cyynapse]

0/10 no scene of paul yelling at a rock to make it explode

[@BradleyZS]

The pacing of events felt too quick to me. It could have used another half hour or two of just character interactions as the whole time I was thinking of all the books scenes that take place between the movie scenes. It made me wonder if it makes any sense to someone who hasn't read the book; I could hear a few people during and after the movie explaining what the meaning of various things to their friends who clearly hadn't read the book. It felt Dark Souls esque in its lore transparency. The scenes I liked most were the Feyd and Gurney introductions and the final scene.

[@killswitch6361]

Never read the books, and still haven't. it flowed fine to me. I was able to follow along pretty well.

[@BradleyZS]

@@killswitch6361 Fair enough. I guess I just read too much and watch too little. The movie and books are effectively different genres, where the movie is mostly action the book is mostly intrigue and philosophy.

[@killswitch6361]

@@BradleyZS I feel like the philosophy of the book was shown through the movie. It was most likely a lot more subtle though, lots of interpretation and reading between the lines I guess. I feel like I got the moral and cautionary tale of the story through the movie. Although to what extent I don't know cause I haven't read the books.

[@spacebassist]

​@@killswitch6361 it took me a while to understand anything in part one. i still liked it but the book made a lot of things click. you're right about reading between the lines because it leaves *a lot* unsaid and i probably need to get better at inferring things when information is that shrouded. i probably would've understood more of 2 blind compared to 1. also i feel like the films skim out a lot of what was delivered through monologue, (finished the book before watching). i don't think they're weaker for it but i kinda see them as slightly alternate "versions", especially with 2 doing away with the timeskip and Alia, and Jessica pushing Paul into being Lisan al-Gaib, rather than his natural leaning into the role (to Jessica's dismay). also he drank the waters of life in the book because "His body had slowly acquired a certain spice tolerance that made prescient visions fewer and fewer … dimmer and dimmer." (p.411) it was his own choice, which again made Jessica worry and shows Paul as being more committed to taking that role if it means making it to the one good future

[@XlightninX]

I think blade runner in general doesn't lend itself to mainstream appeal so 2049 not being a massive hit doesn't shock me, even though I and anyone I know that's seen it, whether they were a blade runner fan before or not seemed to really like it. It has the same effect as the LOTR movies for me where you just don't feel how long it is at all, nor does it feel like an ordeal on repeat watches. Though I gotta say lately anything Denis Villeneuve touches seems to turn out well, which is nice because he apparently likes directing the nerdy shit I like.

[@TallTapper]

im duning so hard rn

[@ManthonyHiggs]

Alia Atreides is my favorite character in the whole saga, and I gotta say, Denis did her DIRTY!!! Having her speak through Jessica was neat for sure, but I would have rather had my darling Abomination murderbaby onscreen

[@MaestroDrake]

@vinesauce Did you get a refund for that first showing? I know that same thing happened to me when I saw Star Trek Beyond. Unfortunately I used the refund ticket to see Jason Bourne.

[@yalestormofficial]

No spoilers!