HTC Vive Pro 2 Review - Worth The Upgrade?

[@VirtualPandaVR]

When you can't tell the difference between your studio mic and the valve index mic... 😳

[@datechnoman2]

Index's mic is just insane.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Exactly! HTC left the chat.

[@norcalquas]

Bro same, I've had my index now for 6 months. And I never knew it was THAT good.

[@HeyyImDean]

hey again!

[@blackwolf_05]

Maybe his studio mic **is** the index mic?!

[@FiliusFidelis]

once again one kinda get the feeling that HTC just can't really be bothered to care.

[@Boosted_E_]

Agreed. Seems like they didn't even try with this one. Just slapped new displays in there, new lens design, and painted the main shell black. For a next gen headset, it looks pretty weak.

[@minecrafter0505]

It's so frustrating. I've waited for this announcement to decide on my upgrade from my OG vive. And the fact that I even consider to choose between the Index, a 1.5 year old HMD and this one is just sad.

[@vodkamune]

@@minecrafter0505 I would try it out before making your mind up. VR headsets work different for each person as we have different eyes and head sizes. I have the original HTC vive and I can tell you that my friends had different experiences with it over my own and that is first gen headset. I have a pre order to updated my original set. I feel the screen resolution for the current market is the best in the field ... the next one is the 8k x Prima but that one is almost double the cost and has its own issues. Happy about my preorder also its only 749 right now before end of the month

[@LightningAussie]

(H)ates (T)heir (C)ustomers

[@k-cami4471]

Shows that people don’t really want to compete with Facebook anymore😞

[@ragesaq]

So they literally touched nothing except the screens and lenses, this seems like a pretty low effort "upgrade" that leaves some very glaring flaws in place. I had a small amount of hope HTC was back in the game based on the excellent 3.0 trackers, but maybe this is a wake up call that they were barely in it in the first place.

[@sqlevolicious]

Valve giving HTC the Vive brand was a mistake

[@OfficialCineGameVerdicts]

Oculus will always be the innovative one.

[@nicolasmeunier3126]

@@OfficialCineGameVerdicts why? Are they innovative in the controller domain? No… the valve index controller is. Audio? No. comfort? No. Tracking fidelity.

[@nicolasmeunier3126]

It’s like having a new car… « they only change the engine and the direction… » ;) they already have the best tracking… so resolution and lenses are the most important things

[@k0riz0na]

@@nicolasmeunier3126 ya got a point

[@eridanin4528]

I am owner of HP Reverb G2. And I decided to try out Valve Index recently. The tracking and controllers are superb. But the resolution, common, I cannot play in Valve after HP G2. So I thought it would be nice to have superb tracking and resolution. And here we go, I ordered HTC Vive Pro 2 which, in my opinion, has it all in one.

[@ProjectJamesify]

Should have called it the "HTC Vive Not-Really-Pro 1.1." 😔

[@amiibler]

HTC Vive Pro Pro

[@mce1159]

HTC Vive the same pro

[@gamingkizz2842]

I just watched ur video what are the odds lol

[@zippyfruit4712]

Wow

[@MarcWeertsMusic]

Great review, but thoroughly disappointed at the lack of innovation. Really think my next headset will be from Valve.

[@vtidsvr4674]

In about 10 years time when they release another one :( They still can't make Indexes, controllers and particularly basestations quickly enough and they're still selling at the original full price, so I can't see why Valve would bring out another headset when their current one is so sought-after. They also must make a fortune from users buying basestations and knuckles for use with other headsets. They're in a very strong position and have no need to bring another HMD out for the forseeable future.

[@alexkennedy5133]

@@vtidsvr4674 I have a small amount of hope that a company isn't just after profits but wants to innovate and create some amazing technologies, and thus would release a much better headset sooner, regardless of their other predecessor performance. Part of why I give kudos to oculus quest 2, they basically said fuck the history of the quest 1, we need to release this better version to get more people to VR, all at a financial loss.

[@vtidsvr4674]

@@alexkennedy5133 Valve is a business - It's mostly just about profits in reality. FB also gave a huge middle finger to PCVR though. They weren't interested in pushing that further, becaue they went down the mass-adoption route. So you can see it from both sides. Yes they've pushed standalone VR to new limits, and at an initial financial loss (purely the hardware) but they had a 'Rift 2' ready to go and then at the last minute they dropped the project in favour of standalone. I will always wish I could have had a Rift 2. As I said elswhere, if there was a Rift CV1 with better res and lower SDE it'd be my favourite headset ont he market. It so nearly came to market, but FB fudged that.

[@wicked1rish]

@@vtidsvr4674 ppl have sold their souls to FB just for lower cost headsets to try and destroy the VR market and be the only consumer there is. Another reason to give FB the finger

[@BlitzStudiosIsinsideyourhome]

@@wicked1rish I mean, you can’t be mad if it works. Like or hate Facebook, they know what they’re doing to get vr into the mass market

[@ImadMahdi]

It's really sad to see after 3 years it has the same mic, same design, same audio, same controllers. What happened to HTC?

[@bot-uz9ph]

Bussiness users don't want another controller according to HTC and for private they can't do better than Valve. The design is probably because of the extensions, all of which you can also use with the Heaset. Why would they change something good. The mic is not excusable.

[@DissTrackTed]

Sadly, they died and were never revived. They just Re-Vived.

[@williamsmith6921]

Valve left, they can manufacture things well enough, but they sure are shit at designing and innovating

[@ShadeStep16]

For anyone playing Blade and Sorcery, the Vive wands seem to be easier to use for rapid swordplay (basically the entire game) rather than the Valve Knuckles.

[@johnsmithers284]

Nice, I actually have both

[@TheLonelyViper]

been refreshing all day for this!

[@ukol7049]

Wait for that index 2 mate

[@KailolaBelle]

Is there a Index 2 for sure?

[@sirfantyvr300]

Hey good to see you here viper

[@ukol7049]

@@KailolaBelle Yh mate watch thrillseaker and the mystical

[@nigaudlotovrbenchmarkandvi313]

and you still do not know about that 120 horizontal fov ! are you happy ,now .?

[@krectus]

Really interested to hear how they manage to get lossless compression at 1/3 the bandwidth than it should be.

[@joseferrer8334]

read this: developer.nvidia.com/blog/dsc-higher-fidelity-vr/ it is human visually lossless

[@shmokeythefatcat]

With dsc and vssr will make it almost unnoticeable

[@krectus]

@@joseferrer8334 Ok visually lossless, that sounds like it's probably still lossy. And the two images they use to show the comparison are just the same images, with the same file sizes, so it's quite sketchy.

[@funkee05]

One of the best reviews of vive pro 2 on KZbin, especially with a microphone comparison. Speaking about vive pro 2 itself, even tho the upgrade from the original vive pro isnt so spectacular, seems like its easily better option than both valve index and G2, especially for the ppl who just starting with VR. Im think im another one that HTC catch and gonna oreder it in next days. And i rly hope that wont be a waste of money...

[@tullyryan4053]

Is the headset any good I was looking to buy one

[@LetoDK]

This was such a great and refreshing review. Really appreciate the honesty!!

[@YesterdaySpaghetti]

Thrillseeker touches on much more problems that weren't pointed out here, go check it out.

[@Streaming4Dummies]

This is exactly what I was hoping to find before that discount expired! Thanks Oasis for helping me confirm some of the suspicions I had about the headset!

[@MintRobin]

@@VadimZverev His wasn't the best though, he measured fov wrong. I saw him comment on r/vive that he did fov per eye, not both eyes combined, so once you add those numbers together and subtract overlap I think you get around 115 fov. Personally if a review doesn't know how to measure fov, he's not a very credible reviewer. Unless you only have 1 eye like my partner, in which case his fov calcs were great.

[@Helifax19]

Many thanks for the Review Mike! As an owner of the OG Vive Pro + Index + Base stations + Wireless adapter. I can't wait for the PRO 2. The reason I am buying one is exactly that! BUMP in resolution and FOV. Also having the ability to play in Wireless mode without any VIDEO compression (ulike Quest 2) and swap batteries on the fly (unlike Quest 2) it's a no brainer for me. Looking forward to the Vive Wireless Adapter update as well ^_^ As for games, I am mostly looking forward playing (and developing some AAA VR game mods for games that actually have proper graphics like HL-Alyx).

[@hellterminator]

1. The Wireless Adapter does compress the video, but instead of h.264/h.265 it uses a custom codec which is much less efficient, but also a lot faster. The result is lower latency (but still not equivalent to wired), comparable artifacting and *terrible* resolution (about 3/7 the resolution of the Quest 2). 2. Using the Pro 2 with the wireless adapter is just dumb - you'll be limited to a resolution straight out of 2017 with a promised upgrade to 2019 resolution. If you're OK with that, why not save a ton of money and buy a Cosmos Elite instead? Or why not save even more and just keep using your original Pro? The nominal resolution will be the same. Sure, you lose 1/3 of the subpixels, but you gain the beautiful inky blacks of OLED.

[@Helifax19]

@@hellterminator Interesting. I have both the Quest 2 and the Vive Pro with the Wireless Adapter. I can clearly see macro blocks and resolution problems on the Quest 2 via Link or Air link but no such issue on the Wireless Adapter (unless the emitter is blocked or the signal drops in quality). I couldn't find the spec for the Wireless Adapter regarding the Vive Pro and what is the max resolution it supports, but with the naked eye, I can see a bit lower resolution, but not as low as the Quest 2 resolution. (This on an i9 9900k and RTX 2080Ti). Comparing both of the them SBS, the wireless adapter clearly wins in terms of quality and performance (and actually being able to change the battery). However a lot of people don't care or have the same high standards ^_^ (Just The Wireless Adapter is as expensive as a Quest 2 after all, but you can clearly see the benefits). The only negative I have is that it requires a PCI card so on my Desktop Replacement Laptop I can't use it :( at least not with another external PCI to Thunderbolt enclosure which is bigger than the whole Laptop....)

[@hellterminator]

@@Helifax19 Were you perhaps running low bitrate on the Quest 2? I usually run 100Mbps h.265 and while the image is a bit softer than my Index, I can't really see blocking, but before I upgraded my AP, when I had to run at 30 Mbps, there was very visible blocking. As far as Link goes, something's definitely off about the image and it does block for a second when the scene changes completely (e.g. going from menu to game), but other than that, it's not blocky either. But to be fair, unlike Virtual Desktop, I haven't spent any time tweaking it, so maybe it could be improved.

[@Helifax19]

@@hellterminator I tried everything from 150Mbps to 300Mbps and auto now with the v28 software. It was always adding a lot of GPU overhead to do the encoding which resulted in best case scenario with macroblocks, worst case scenario with frame stuttering longer than 1 second.. v29 seems to have improved this greatly though! (I just checked! So perhaps they did more tweaks there for the 120Hz mode ?! )

[@helenkim786]

@@hellterminator i went back to my og vive for a little bit and the blacks werent a reason to stay.... reading the contents of a pill bottle in alyx is worth the loss in blacks for me. also the zero screen door is probably better then the almost no screen door with the pro ?

[@davidkihlstrand4877]

Good review! Always seems like HTC is doing too little too late for them to get ahead. Excited for what Valve has to reveal though, hopefully getting some official news soon!

[@theeclipsemaster]

Aged like fine milk

[@davidkihlstrand4877]

@@theeclipsemaster agreed ^^

[@GrimAbstract]

@@theeclipsemaster how come?

[@theeclipsemaster]

@@GrimAbstract no new news or device. Only leaks

[@GrimAbstract]

@@theeclipsemaster ohhh okay, my bad! I was looking at buying my first time vr, would really like a new steam index or vive pro 😂

[@babyspine]

I'm sick of VR headsets downgrading from OLED to LCD

[@Skarredghost]

Great job with this review, it was very easy to watch it from the start to the end! I haven't had the opportunity of trying it, but more or less from outside, I had the same impressions. The lack of PC VR content may kill the market of high-end headsets... unless PSVR 2 comes to the rescue

[@JRBpsychopathic]

You asked, I'll answer. The new mic you mentioned at the end of the video is a GREAT improvement in your video audio quality. Me being a first time viewer I checked some of your other videos for reference. I'd tell you great job on the videos, but you already know you're killing it, friend. Subbed and looking forward to seeing more.

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Thank you so much for the feedback mate []-)

[@andychicago8295]

Preordered and will play Alyx for the first time. :) Hopefully it will arrive next week.

[@vodkamune]

same waiting for my preorder. Upgrading from my original Vive.

[@GuardKZ]

oh man, such a mind-blowing experience is waiting for you, enjoy it

[@Simlife101]

@@vodkamune Go watch voodoo review it has REALLY bad fov like really bad

[@decidev]

You’re wasting your money but ok

[@CognosSquare]

@@Simlife101 FOV is excellent. Its 116 (index 108) / 94 (index 100) with VR cover pads.

[@Ratsmonk77]

I did personally pre-order the Vive pro 2 while having resold my Valve Index. But the reason are: I had spare light-houses and Vive controllers left behind. I have a Quest 2 for gaming (although not a big gamer). And will be using the Vive Pro 2 for 3D VR modeling and other work. I'm hoping on top of improved resolution to get a lighter comfortable headset and that does not get as hot over long work sessions.

[@vtidsvr4674]

I know you touched on it, but in your experience how does the sweetspot/central area of optimal clarity compare to that of the G2. I know it depends on face shape/eye depth etc but for me the G2 was unusable because of the peanut-sized central sweetspot with blurriness elsewhere. Thanks.

[@_kev_]

Yeah, I'm very annoyed by some aspects of my G2, sweetspot being one of them. I preordered a Pro 2 only to get rid of the G2 asap. I still have an Index, but the visual clarity of a higher res display is addictive. I just can't put up with loss of connection, weird USB behavior, poor build quality, bad software and atrocious FOV anymore. As long as the Pro 2 gets rid of these issues, I'm already happy. All I hope for is an Index replacement with higher res.

[@vtidsvr4674]

@@_kev_ I own an Index and I basically see the Pro 2 as an Index but with higher res. I don't notice the higher refresh rates on the Index so I'm happy with 90hz, and I prefer on-ear audio. The mic does sound pretty disappointing though! My only concern is the sweetspot size and also how much of an improvement will it be over the Index when I'm running a 1080ti (can't get hold of a 30 series). Worst case the sweetspot is crap and I return it and continue with the Index and CV1.

[@Simlife101]

@@vtidsvr4674 The most important thing is FOV and go watch voodoo review. it has a smallee fov than a quest 2 lol

[@vtidsvr4674]

@@Simlife101 his was the first review I saw. I'm not talking about fov here though. Personally fov isn't the most important thing to me.

[@ThreeDPrintDesigns]

@@_kev_ I'm in the same boat. Love my g2....... When it works. I honestly troubleshoot more than I use it. Wmr is a joke and the things constantly disconnecting, screen going black, sound not working, cord popping out due to its 40mm thickness.. it's not a fun experience for the best clarity. Not worth it. My oculus quest 2 literally never fails and was half the price.

[@ryanversfeld5072]

I picked up an open box deal and got the vive pro 2 for £399. Had to order the index controllers and base stations tho. Headset still in perfect condition.

[@johnwilson7680]

I don’t use the microphone very often but that was the dealbreaker for me. It’s pretty pathetic they didn’t fix that. I think I will stick with my Valve Index and G2 until the Index 2 comes out.

[@x32i77]

You could sell both and use the Vive pro 2

[@hehrgevghdjrhb8663]

@@x32i77 yeah but why? its not like the vive pro 2 is very good especially when its supposed to be next gen. Even if the display is nice its held back by the god awful mic and controllers

[@x32i77]

@@hehrgevghdjrhb8663 the Vive pro is currently the best allrounder out of all VR hmds

[@ShawnBuckingham]

You're not wrong. Wouldn't be surprised if they diy'ed a gaming headphone mic inside it

[@traida111]

I just ordered one. I also ordered some 3rd party custom lenses inserts which have my eye test prescription. So I can take my glasses off and have full comfort. I can't wait

[@cuttheloop]

Sticking with my G2, thanks.

[@13thdukeofwybourne69]

Same here

[@oknowaen]

i dont know why people have a problem with the original vive wands, ive never had the rings collide, they have sub-millimetre tracking, ok battery life, and im fine with the track pad. the only thing i'd change would be the grip button bc its a bit hard to depress.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

I dove into VR with Quest 2, as a child of the 80's i had been promised a VR experience from waaaay back lol. I was not disappointed! It blew me away when i fired up First Steps... it was pretty much what i had in my head. But for me it was a bit too blurry, i also grabbed a Rift S before they sold out but my gaming rig hadn't arrived until a week after the Quest 2. I immediately saw a massive improvement in visuals on the Rift S over the Quest 2, and i fiddled with that thing for a week! Just couldn't manage to hit the sweet spot, and what i could manage... the pro strap had to be SO TIGHT it was miserable after 20 minutes anyway. I'm fortunate to have gotten a Rift S, and on the cheap, before they went out of circulation. I don't expect i'll upgrade until next year at the earliest. If it's comfy, and it's clear... you're good to go.

[@sauceboss3901]

I’ve personally had the opposite effect with the rift s seeming a lot worse than the quest 2. It’s interesting you had a different experience. Were you using the quest 2 connected to the pc or stand alone?

[@seaI.]

Do not forget, you can pre-order or buy the headset only version for $800, so if you already managed to have base stations or Valve Index Knuckels / Vive Wands, and a cord, you can consume it that way too.

[@ToxicYT]

Ill stick with my quest 2 that does perfectly fine.

[@techunboxing8933]

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[@itszephh]

have been using a quest 2 for 6 months now as my main headset. but if valve release a standalone headset cheaper than the Index then i might upgrade, right now the quest 2 is the best headset imo

[@MixedRealitySimRacing]

As my Valve Index gets older I get a really, really big issue: Other newer headsets coming out aren't worth the upgrade. If I would just have bought something less good I would have a reason to upgrade by now, but no I have to keep the great Index for longer.

[@UncleYoY]

Right now I just ordered mine can’t wait to upgrade from the vive pro

[@MisterCharles2]

I'm still happy with the odyssey+ great resolution for under $300

[@SparkingSkeline]

Same

[@derekec]

I've had the Odyssey +. Sold it and got the Vive Pro. It was not a easy decision but 2 or so years later, I've decided to go back to it. I'm tired of and really haven't a need for the base station's limitations - that is being confined to one small room which ultimately keeps me from using it but a small amount of time when I can steal that. I have no issues with the VPro but not using it becomes the deal breaker.

[@tylerdurden6917]

I'll wait for the Valve Index 2 thank you very much ✌🏼

[@stagrov8086]

I think, in this case, you´ll have to wait a least 5 more years

[@tylerdurden6917]

@@stagrov8086 nahhhhh at least 2 -3years

[@stagrov8086]

@@tylerdurden6917 Have in mind that Valve isn´t a hardware producer. They only developed the index, because they wanted it for themselves. Same with Half-life Alyx. If they want to design a game that makes the most profit, why not developing HL 3 instead of an VR only Alyx? No, they have Steam for the profit. So, i guess the next Valve hardware, let´s call it the Index 2, will not be just the Index with a better Display. It will be the next step for VR. And I think, it will take another 5 years to achieve this

[@stagrov8086]

But I would love to buy an new index with better display (no SDE, less godrays) in less than 2 years, I just don´t think it is coming

[@niggacockball7995]

@@stagrov8086 there are some patents already i dont think it will take that long

[@BenSycha]

Are you sure you want 'feedback' on your microphones? 🤔 Cheers for the vid, all the info I wanted on the headset 👍

[@focusmicro]

I just bought Index's controllers on their own (I have Vive Pro and 1.0 base stations). They were delivered today. Then I found out Vive Pro 2 is released!! I nearly had a heart attack (knowing nothing about it!). Quickly came across this review and now feeling very happy, no need to upgrade to Vive Pro 2 headset :D. I'm using the wireless kit too. Thanks!

[@TommyVR]

Thank you Mike. I was hoping for an upgrade for the G2 but it seems HTC dropped the ball hard on this one.

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

You have plenty of life in G2 left mate. Wait until a truly worthy upgrade brings something new and interesting to the table. Not just a new display and lenses []-)

[@Tyrielwood]

Great review and amazing shots Mike!!

[@zacharytitus2918]

Well I finally did it I’ve been watching this channel for a long time but I stopped because I wasn’t old enough at the time to have a job and I couldn’t afford a vr head set so I got really discouraged about it but I finally bought my first one and I knew I had to share it with you I’m super excited and just downloaded the walking dead

[@CP-lx8sb]

I have received mine today and I will return it tomorrow. In comparison to my Valve Index this is a clear clear no buy!

[@VoodooDE_VR]

Thanks for the review Mike!

[@TierHarribel]

The index mic is actually just insane

[@mbrsart]

I'm interested in the resolution and FOV upgrade over my G2, as well as kicking Mixed Reality Portal to the curb. But after this, I'm going to hold off for the Index 2, if that ever comes out. Sure, the Reverb G2 can be a pain to get working, especially in a mixed setup with Index controllers, but it's not bad enough to justify that small of an upgrade, as well as that much of a downgrade in terms of microphone quality. Seriously, HTC, what gives? This is your flagship headset, and it sounds like a $2 clip on mic you find over by the checkout in a convenience store.

[@mechadgaming6206]

it's like HTC just likes there old ways and didn't want to renew the mic but the 5K display is what i liked about the headset

[@DeeJaysWord]

That microphone and headphone audio quality makes it seem to me like this would not be a better upgrade over keeping my index because I mostly play VRchat anyway

[@SaffronTheBat]

the rez is the only benefit. everything else is miles worse not worth it at all

[@3liteBadminton]

Mike bring back the long 'Welcome' with the pause after, pleaseee! Gets me hyped!

[@Rocky1138]

Wellkim

[@LilBigfootOverlanding]

I’m totally good with my Quest 2 with Airlink PCVR and it’s stand-alone ability🤙 But good vid Mike!

[@Random_4U]

Hell yeah. Wireless is great. Ill wait to see what oculus brings us next year.

[@LilBigfootOverlanding]

Right! They are improving the Quest so rapidly I don’t think anyone else can keep up! We’ll see what Play Station brings to the table but at this point I’m not holding my breath on it

[@4879daniel]

Every time I see something about a new VR headset I'm left scratching my head. 3 times of the price of a Q2 and you have to use wires.

[@vtidsvr4674]

@@4879daniel Have you used a good Wired PCVR headset before? It's a far better experience.

[@Tacocat4642]

@@vtidsvr4674 I've used a valve index and while I do find it better in some ways, the experince isn't better enough to justify an upgrade IMO

[@zzzzzzz1zzzzzzzzzz1z]

Helpful and professional review, thank you!

[@spencercollison1695]

I'll enjoy my quest 2 and patiently wait for the quest 3. Oculus are on a mission now. Gt7 on psvr2 though!..surely gonna epic

[@paolaanimator]

Same here, got Quest 2 as my first VR headset and been enjoying it

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

@Joe Momma It has more features than headsets more than twice the price. by far the best headset considering the price.

[@clipCommander101]

I enjoy my quest 2 but it would've been nice if it had a display port connection. Even with a 2070 super, i get stutter and frame drops in alot of games and only can play at the default resolution.

[@TheTechBasement]

Thank you, Thank you, you are the first reviewer that I have seen mention that the 5k needs higher specs to achieve the 5k. Have to say though I haven't looked at them since the release date and most did not even have a review sample just spewed out information. I personally will be waiting for a wireless solution with similar specs, HMM the Vive focus 3 could have been a focus 3g(g for gaming) missed opportunity, I made a comment about that and was deleted by Vive 1/2hr later. I currently Have a Vive, with the 1.0 stations. Running an ITX build so I do not have the extra pcie slots for the wireless adaptor not to mention that you only get a certain resolution with the wireless adaptor, I also make that comment. Vive doesn't like criticism.. To bad they were blasted by a lot of people that day. :)

[@owennelson64]

8:12 It also needs a much better mic if anyone is gonna do anything social with it

[@blizado3675]

So far i could hear the mic is "ok", the position of the mic is the main issue, that generates the pop sounds. When you look on other headsets where the mic is build in and than compare it to the vive position it is pretty clear what the problem is.

[@MintRobin]

Not gonna stop me playing beat saber. All social games are full of pre-puberty so I have no interest.

[@blizado3675]

@@MintRobin That's why you should search for a small community, so you can play with them instead of random public users, who this days often are a problem in online games, not only VR.

[@MintRobin]

@@blizado3675 Possible but I did like meeting completely random people just for the 1 day

[@WMan37]

6:10 This is not *as much* of a problem if you use SteamVR and OVR Advanced Settings to calibrate your VR headset. For example, my recommended setting for Valve Index as someone who previously owned an OLED original HTC Vive is 130% brightness in steamVR, and in OVR Advanced Settings: Red 100%, Green 100%, Blue 94%. Brings some of the vivid color back that I missed from OG Vive.

[@abellau4105]

This. 100%

[@AntagonisticAltruist]

People are always stunned when I'm on zoom call and switch from my regular mic to the Valve Index. I've gotten more compliments for it that than my Elgato Wave 3 mic. I hope whatever the next iteration of the Valve Index is, that it keeps those amazing micrphones. Wish Vive had more improvements than just the resolution...

[@grafe44]

Your new mic sounds great Mike! 👍

[@juanavila1860]

Right now pcvr headsets feel as if they have hit a roadblock and innovation is lacking, the last time we have seen a truly innovative pcvr headset has been the valve index and that headset is already 2 years old and nothing has topped it which is sad. Right now buying anything other than a quest 2 or a valve index just feels dumb. Hopefully valve will release their next headset and it will bring some well needed innovations.

[@hussain-x]

I consider Quest 2 a pcvr headset that has wireless and standalone built in. Huge innovations at a huge bargain.

[@markharrison9140]

@@hussain-x I bought a quest 2 and returned it for a refund the next day. dont get all the fuss its like looking through binoculars after the g2 with gasket mod. Mods will come out for vive pro 2 and its a massive step up compared to 1 just g2 beat them to it

[@FastForwardPlans]

@@markharrison9140 Mostly the fuss is that its wireless, can function as a game system all on its own for people who can't get new hardware, and most important of all, its affordable. Pay 399, and you can play right away with no extra fees (other then, obviously, buying games). There are a lot of compromises involved in getting it cheap yet able to function without being plugged into a pc, of course. But if you don't have a lot of money, yet still want good enough vr, the quest 2 is the best option.

[@MaroshBRuNo]

Pimax 8KX ????? I promise you you would love it if you could try it. Its the best and dont let ppl tell you that 75hz is not enough. It is! And now they re adding 90hz so you can compare. :)

[@Reloaded2111]

@@markharrison9140 Wireless PCVR, hand tracking without controllers, 120 Hz display, all for $300. You can get lots of aftermarket accessories for Quest 2 to make it better. As for Facebook account requirement, I only needed it to set up the headset and deleted the Oculus app afterwards without any issues, so that "issue" has been blown out of proportions IMO. Really the best VR headset that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

[@ichiyamamoto785]

I've had the original Vive for about three years and have used it intermittently. I ordered the pro 2, figured why upgrade my monitor when I can upgrade the headset and go big screen VR for better viewing and experience 120hz vr. So I guess it's mostly impulse which is how I got the original Vive.

[@alexandersoren4938]

Still perfectly happy with my Rift S.

[@GuardKZ]

same with quest 2

[@MrSurviv0r]

You solidified my thinking on this headset. No more than you get (display upgrades) it just simply doesn't warrant the purchase/upgrade. First time I had those controllers in my hands I was not a fan, so it's disappointing that they just ignored them. Ignoring the controllers was probably with the thought that those that will upgrade already have something else or at least something they like. It's like holding two massive TV remotes with triggers. That's a weird rack for a company to consistently hang their coat on.

[@joseferrer8334]

You said the Sweetspot is pretty small compared to the Valve Index. Could you please use lenstoolROV to measure that and compare with other headset?

[@minecrafter0505]

I second that. I really want some data on this issue, it's my turning point to choose between the Index and the Pro 2.

[@lorsch.]

@@minecrafter0505 Index all the way. Was ready to sell mine and had this on preorder, but now I'm glad I didn't sell it.

[@Flutters_Shygal]

I am interested in getting this headset separately. I got a secondhand OG Vive from a friend, and I am having some complaints about the screen in it. I've noticed that this headset however is fully compatible with the rest of the setup I already have, so it would be really nice.

[@myoldskool]

Cancelled mine for now. Good review, thanks 👍

[@johnspanos3862]

How do I cancel? Thanks

[@myoldskool]

@@johnspanos3862 mine was with eBuyer UK. Just logged in and clicked cancel. Not sure through Vive directly

[@Traeknald]

the valve index's microphone sounds incredible

[@baji.5900]

"HTC Recommend a 2070" Me: * Looks at my pc* My 1050ti: "Dont even think about it"

[@claymcgranahan]

Laughs in imac

[@bot-uz9ph]

And the 2070 is for business,I think it's for shure not for Games.

[@bot-uz9ph]

@Abdul Binafif yes, but the requirements are for business cases and certainly not for gaming.

[@baji.5900]

@Abdul Binafif Same. I wanted to upgrade it bc it was not even enough for better games with my CV1. It is currently dying bc im using the quest 2 now.

[@Barchueetadonai]

Damn, I didn't realize how good the mic on the Index is

[@RenderedReality]

Looking forward to the review, reddit is going crazy over this headset, so much controversy!!! Goodness why didn't they change that awful mic!!

[@CorporateZombi]

When a $0.30 microphone just doesnt cut it in an 800 dollar headset.

[@RenderedReality]

@@CorporateZombi Haha right??? 🤣

[@Demmrir]

If it had built-in eye tracking and otherwise was the same, I would definitely have grabbed it. Given that it can't use its resolution wirelessly and doesn't support eye-tracking at all yet and it'll be added expense down the line, I guess I'll just stick with the Index. Maybe Index 2 will have eye-tracking.

[@bigbangerz5856]

all I want to know is how it looks in DCS with the Apache module

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

I see, you clearly are a man of culture! /)

[@panther20008]

No doubt ! HTC Vive is the best of the best vive that I've ever seen^^ Love it so much~~~~!!!!!!

[@illgottengains1314]

Seems a bit old-fashioned now. I wouldn’t want this even if I could afford it.

[@shortbuspimp]

What would ya get?

[@djhey123]

@@shortbuspimp quest 2

[@montoulieu]

@@djhey123 Not even comparable when it comes to FOV and resolution.

[@spamaccount2915]

Especially the fact that they still are using vive wands. Those remotes are top heavy, uncomfortable, and barely usable in games after you’ve tried index controllers

[@floppademon1506]

@@shortbuspimp Valve index

[@DNB_connoisseur]

As an avid VR user wireless is the future, For now I only use my Quest 2 and will upgrade to Index 2 which is rumored to be wireless.

[@ege8240]

i will wait for the quest 3. i am not rich or stupid to buy such thing

[@nanhole]

Im so exicted to get my valve index. I've watched every one of your reviews and its appalling how much better valve did than the rest.

[@slopedarmor]

Im hoping they will make the index 2 soon : O

[@old_newbie9498]

Agreed. Thats why I'm more excited about their Focus 3 announcement, even though its intended for enterprise, than this Pro 2. HTC really needed to integrate all those new technologies into the new headsets, aside from just upping the resolution. The individual peripheral options (eye and face tracking) are ok for us last gen users to give us a quasi-upgrade path...but a new headset should have it all integrated. Shameless self plug on my thoughts: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpKsmmyebbSCb5o

[@magnaluna_]

OG Vive + Wireless, Index Controllers, FBT with Vive Trackers 2.0. I guess i'm happy with it

[@minecrafter0505]

I'd love to see a deeper dive into the vertical field of view and the distortion. Or more specifically a direct comparison to the Index when considering an update from the OG Vive. I've seen other reviews marking FOV and distortion as the biggest drawback of the Pro 2. I'm currently torn between the Index and the Pro 2 to replace my OG Vive and I'm still on the fence on which one I should get. The high resolution of the Pro 2 is tempting, but the refinement of the Index and the fact that it will cost me less pull me towards the other direction... What should I do?

[@EnderIzzy124]

I heard on ThrillSeeker that Valve is likely working on an "Index 2" of sorts. I'd wait a while.

[@minecrafter0505]

I saw these rumors, too. But they're based on patents which are no indication of actual products being available soon, or ever. Just that they thought of this kind of tech. I've waited months to finally be able to afford an index and then a few months more for the Vive announcement. Kinda tired of waiting...

[@ThatBeardedVRDude]

Great Review as usual, always a lot of information in your videos.

[@dan_kitty_vr5107]

Its sad that i would still have to recomend a quest 2 as a genral pc headset to any pcvr newbies...come on deca gear you are our next hope!

[@Art-Sin]

Not sad at all. Quest 2 is amazing for the price.

[@Jinx-rj7kx]

@Joe R why 2?

[@Art-Sin]

@@Jinx-rj7kx if like me, multiplayer with friends and family members. The bomb.

[@dan_kitty_vr5107]

@@Art-Sin very true, i meant sad in the sense that a standalone headset is way better value than a dedicated PC headset

[@mckidlet]

Sticking with my original vive and vive pro, they still work good

[@blizado3675]

Nice review, but did I miss the part about the FoV?

[@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke]

He said only that it is smaller but VoodooDe also measured it and sad part, it has only 92/96 Degree while Index has 114/104 Degree.

[@blizado3675]

@@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke MRTV measured it too, 114° horizontal. Especially on the horizontal FoV you shouldn't hear too much on VoodooDE, he had also 78° FoV on the G2, where near all other had 90+°. He has a head that is not really near the average, he self call it Alien head, but it seams he already forget what with the G2 was and make the same mistake again...

[@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke]

@@blizado3675 Well, Virtual Reality Oasis even said that vertical the Fov is smaller but horizontal slightly larger. So i Guess he Compared it to the Vive Pro 1. In that Case it would not be a Fov Upgrade.

[@MixedRealitySimRacing]

@@blizado3675 while his headshape might be weird, he still measured it being quite high on the index in comparison. Really interested in how other reviewers compare it to the Index but Oasis sadly only compared it to the previous Pro I think.

[@paulgreen2238]

As a Pro 2 owner, that's a good balanced review. Thanks

[@objectivemillennial2117]

hi everyone this is mike virtual reality oasis, the year is 2056 the quest 35 just came out, time to test it with half life alyx again cuz this never get old

[@FoolOfATuque]

I think I’m going to wait for the Index refresh. See how that looks

[@nickeakhurst2533]

Great informative content! Actually I have a Vive Cosmos Elite used mainly for sim racing (I-racing ... ACC) and I'm wondering if you feel this Pro 2 would deliver a better graphic experience given its higher pixel x pixel rating? Many thanks for any advice

[@ozten]

Pre-ordered. Currently I have the Quest 1 and use it for PCVR, so looking forward to the upgrade! I'm hoping valve doesn't launch a new headset in June as I will be kicking myself.

[@awesome9174]

Valve seem to be readying for a new Index announcement this year. But it's Valve so who knows when they actually act on it lol

[@twang5446]

Once tried the Quest 2 I can no longer be bothered with any wired headset. Unless it's something like the index at the price of Quest 2 or just a bit higher...

[@camerynscott]

Right I've tried most other popular headsets and nothing compares to the Quest 2 still, being able to just go anywhere and not require a PC to play VR is the biggest thing. And at the price point, tbh most companies just don't compete with it.

[@MintRobin]

I personally don't like Facebook tech, but isn't the Q2 better than the index in literally every standard spec other than fov? Why would you pay more for an index (other than the feel of high quality materials etc)

[@twang5446]

@@MintRobin Yeah mostly better but I do want the higher fov and refresh rate. Why can't there be a product that combines these (at a resonable cost, of course)!

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

@@twang5446 the index only has slightly higher refresh rate (144hz compared to 120Hz)

[@clinton8432]

Pre ordered and upgrading from original vive. Ordered the knuckles as well.

[@NotShadyCanuck]

ill just be happy with my quest 2 , 2k res 120hz fully wireless hybrid headset only $640 CDN cant be beat not even close

[@gurugamer8632]

Google for PCVR? Any lag issues!

[@gurugamer8632]

@Big Bean thank you which bitrate setting do you use for virtual desk?

[@VRJacky]

i really wished you chucked the quest 2 into the comparison as allot of people (myself included) have only ever experienced the quest 2

[@masonyeiser3721]

Imagine sending a free setup n the reviewer straight up says it’s not worth upgrading lol

[@MintRobin]

It adds credibility to the review, and then the company knows if they can get a good review from them people will flock to their product. I think an honest reviewer is a good thing. Also his review kinda says I should buy the pro 2 because I fell very neatly into that category, so he hasn't pushed me away from it at all.

[@deeprifter4079]

Great review, Mike! Keeping it real as always :)

[@LostInTranslationVR]

FB should have made a Rift Pro...

[@MixedRealitySimRacing]

oh yeah

[@uxot]

FB doesn't car about PC VR ..they are all about Mobile VR Crap now...

[@realpoorman3154]

@@uxot yep so get ready to paid 600-1400 for a headset

[@Lilithe]

1:50 Seems like the Vive and Vive 2 both have the mic in the same spot. Just an open tube leading directly to the mic diaphragm, at 90 deg to the mouth which is spitting wind into it. The mic itself sounds GREAT if you're not spitting wind into it. Too bad they made that hard without modifying it. But the mod is simple... a felt furniture pad over the mic hole. That's it. It acts as a plosive filter and you instantly sound MUCH better.

[@moncimoov]

bottomline : 10:00

[@k-cami4471]

Thanks. 👍

[@chris_stacey]

The new mic sounds mint Mike! 😊🎙

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Thank you Chris! I appreciate the feedback mate []-)

[@papagiantv]

Get back in that podcast office and tell the fellas to get out of vacation too much has happened the last MONTH

[@Clammon_]

Lets go!! Mike knows what we’re thinking

[@ingohensel9479]

in case you didn't know: pimax headsets exist. They really do.

[@SakuraiPinkFox]

Still thinking about buying it, mostly since I am still using the regular old HTC VIVE (Jan 2018 and still working), just gonna need to get the headset and the base stations, already have a pair of index controllers. Want to upgrade mostly cause of face tracking in case its implemented into what I already play.

[@alinagrempes9633]

I will just get the ocules quest 2 and 3,4,5...3000

[@bot-uz9ph]

Facebook are subsidising their headset, as far as I know. They put a lot of money into it and there you are the product.

[@realpoorman3154]

@@bot-uz9phbut what if you do have a pc

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

@@realpoorman3154 Quest 2 is great as a PC headset, especially when used wirelessly.

[@realpoorman3154]

@@Dreadpirateflappy yeah Ik I was just asking the person I was replying to a question

[@fuzzyface4515]

I know it's not a huge leap forward in VR, but I'm still excited to try this out as I've been using the original Vive for awhile now. I've really struggled reading most text on the original vive as the screen door effect on it really blurs out smaller or further away text, so the increase in resolution is what I'm looking forward to most. I am really disappointed that they didn't make new controllers because the vive controllers really are just god awful. The placement of the menu button is genuinely the most annoying thing about the Vive, as I personally always push the button in slightly when flailing my arms around.

[@ArchivedTony]

How did you like it? I also have the original htc vive and am looking to upgrade but I am deciding between the vive pro 2 and valve index (I already own valve index controllers)

[@fuzzyface4515]

​@@ArchivedTony TL:DR I love it and it feels like I can actually see when playing VR now. I honestly couldn't see the screen door effect anymore with the pro 2 and I can actually read text quite easily now. My wife seems to be more prone to motion sickness with the newer headset. I still don't have anything like that. It's also much more comfortable and the included headphones are decent enough. I'm not an audiophile so I just like the convenience of pre-attached headphones. Overall it feels like a big upgrade from the original for me personally. I'm not really up to date on the prices of other headsets anymore and I only have the original to compare it too.

[@ArchivedTony]

@@fuzzyface4515 thank you! 😁😁