Vive Cosmos Setup, Unboxing & First Impressions

[@omegabob99]

I think your tracking issues may be partially because of your green screen area. Try putting some masking tape/dots on your walls to help the camera determine the boundaries.

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Ok, I'm seeing this comment a lot! At no point during my video am I facing my green screen wall, it's right behind me! []-\

[@omegabob99]

Ah OK. I thought it (green/walls) were in front of you too :-)

[@williamsmith6921]

@@omegabob99 it does kind of make sense that he wouldn't green screen what the cam never sees

[@cameronn1124]

if the other headsets work fine in this environment then it probably isnt the green screen

[@firestrikebs]

pandapizzaanimeparty nah I don’t think that’s it. I do that with my quest all the time

[@OculusQuestFun]

Your honesty about this one is appreciated.

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Cheers Theodore! []-)

[@OculusQuestFun]

Virtual Reality Oasis Cheers Mate

[@coffeebreakhero3743]

that only means valve is paying him. just kidding. it's more of a facebook move. actually... vive is trying to steal from both, so it would make sense for valve and facebook to gang up and murder vive. jk XD *writes notes*

[@idlehour]

His entire being is appreciated.

[@EaglesflyNorth]

OculusQuestFun you lost me at batteries

[@zeerah]

It looks like something out of the early 2000’s

[@mrMacMilli2000]

Just came out? Better than vive?

[@zeerah]

Ace Mcloud i know, i just think it looks like a cheap toy..

[@mrMacMilli2000]

Not OLED?

[@butters9153]

I honestly have to agree. It looks like something out of the 90s or 2000s that's trying to look super futuristic, but in reality it's just a 20 dollar toy that's not even that good and breaks in a month.

[@mrMacMilli2000]

@@butters9153 un real. Just finished watching. Man HTC is gunna bleed money on this one. All their shxt is so over priced. Cant compete with quest at half the price??? And the quest has it's own PC built in. Wow. HTC needs to drop out ASAP or come out with a homerun standard system with 8k.

[@tanner0259]

I agree that the tracking was off however I have just updated the controllers and the headset and it all seems a lot better allready.

[@KilljoyTDA]

I can confirm that!

[@tibor29]

Obviously. It's going to get improved over time, just like Oculus.

[@fish_bacon]

I dunno. I picked up a Cosmos a couple of days ago. While the controller tracking is not perfect at times, I have zero complaints so far. Room tracking has no issues, everything is nice and responsive, and unlike the Oculus, I can wear the goggles and my glasses without begging for death.

[@kevinbrook7033]

Great and honest review Mike, especially considering they gave you the headset! Hopefully the game compatibility and tracking issues will be quickly resolved with some updates. I'm an Oculus fanboy but don't want any brand's headset to be dead on arrival. I think as time has gone on the Rift S has looked better and better, ironic seeing as Oculus themselves are killing it...

[@kaptkrunchfpv]

Im damn glad I didnt pre-order one! Thanks for the review!

[@flavorlessflan]

I would love to see a follow through video with the updates. I liked this video because i am hoping you are going to do that.

[@yus1812]

The box kinda looks dope even tho I'm getting a quest

[@aclay1662]

Finally an honest review!

[@powerfantastic01]

Could you do a comparison vid w/ the original vive?

[@PeterDenTV]

Wow it's surprising to see HTC release a headset that is clearly not ready.

[@Aabax11]

I just wants a vr headset

[@c9gaming368]

I'm looking for a replacement for my rift s, cause it is acting up. The inside out tracking goes static and it loses all tracking capability other than turning my head. I don't know how to fix this and it has been happening to me with all Oculus headsets. from the original rift, to the quest (borrowed from my friend), to the Rift S (which was supposed to be my replacement to the original Rift. Personally, I am looking in to stuff for steam VR because that is where I have most of my games for VR, minus beatsaber DLCs.

[@seanleonard6138]

What did that look like when messing with the light guard

[@Strengthinstock]

I unboxed this just a couple of hours ago, and wow, this is bad, really bad. Also have a newly bought Rift S, and thought this was an upgrade. Nothing worked at all. Couldn’t even use the controllers at all, due to them just jumping around like crazy. Also the headset had an awful noise inside and went really hot. Will return this disappointment, and maybe upgrade myself to a Quest instead of the Rift S.

[@vrthefuture5554]

Cheers!

[@appleml8013]

Glad I got the index lmao

[@RagingHamster]

So if you picked up a Cosmos here are a few tips: Don't

[@UstinkOfFea3]

RagingHamster hahahahahhhahahaha🤣😂😭😭😭

[@ge2719]

1: put it back 2: wash your hands.

[@112fail]

and if by chance you clicked order button cancel the order

[@the_crescent_moon]

@@ge2719 and then you need to get a priest to shoo the vive cosmos demons away

[@boostedz6670]

great tip. ill keep it in mind

[@Jona69]

It's delusional of them to release this at 700 dollars when the oculus quest and rift s are 400.

[@Q8Police777]

HTC is going down espically since valve makes their own headsets now and dont need HTC and their shit

[@Neutronic01]

Oculus does have funding from Facebook and published their own games.

[@cristinacristina8986]

HTC is doomed as a company. If they wanted to stand a chance they needed to price it at 299, although at that price they would have lost money for at least a while even if they were relatively succesful. That being said they never stood a chance. The oculus tracking, lenses, brand, support, games, software is just on another level.

[@Bman893]

@@cristinacristina8986 okay while I do agree I think 299 is a little ridiculous LOLthis thing does have higher specs than even the rift s but 699 is ridiculous 499 would have been just fine 399 would have made things very interesting but 299 just would have came off as cheap

[@chadchadington8876]

@@Neutronic01 because facebook owns oculus

[@humphred4912]

This is honestly terrible, especially for the price. Edit: I'm talking about the headset, not the video :)

[@andrewballsack4406]

Yeah it’s just a ripoff of the quest

[@humphred4912]

@@andrewballsack4406 I think it's worse. I don't think he said in the video, but the controllers have a battery life of 2 HOURS. It would cost more to use the controllers for a month than it would for you to just buy a quest. Batteries are expensive!

[@thechaser3877]

@@humphred4912 That was what HTC said, according to reddit users who have got the cosmos early, it lasts way longer, cant confirm it myself tho

[@richboomparkland]

@@humphred4912 Thankfully, it seems the 2 hour thing was a rumor, not looking good though overall

[@DBZHGWgamer]

It's a ripoff of the Rift S, not quest. Cosmos doesn't do stand alone.

[@ScoobaMusic]

Why would they release a headset that can't play some of their own games? That seems a little rediculous to me.

[@jackr.749]

Yep, that's HTC for you, ask a premium price for something that's not ready yet, they are slow at fixing problems and customer support is not great. Had a Vive, sold the Vive, never touching anything HTC again!

[@ge2719]

the index controllers did the same. they couldnt just make every vr game in the entire steam back catalogue work with index. however htc controllers with buttons thatmatch their old controllers exactly with only new functionality but dont even track and just stick to the floor. thats taking the piss. index at least still functioned with all games.

[@coffeebreakhero3743]

because people are buying the index right now, and people that buy the index won't buy the cosmos, so they needed to release now

[@jackr.749]

@@coffeebreakhero3743 The problem with the Index is it's not available worldwide, in Canada, the site show "Not available in your country" by the time it's available here, it'll be old tech. My interest in the Index has pretty much faded to the point of not caring.

[@jackr.749]

@Sebastian Liltorp Lyngbye 9B Gungehusskolen Agreed, there are companies that do that at a premium, I'm also worried about warranty using a middle man. If the Index even becomes available in Canada, my guess is it will be anywhere between $1300 to $1500 here. In example, the Cosmos is $939 Canadian.

[@nilo-visuals]

cosmos is 800 euro's here in the netherlands while the rift s is 449... are they even trying to compete?

[@Thulen]

Yeh in Norway its so expensive ( 868€ )i went for the Rift S instead ,half the price and have suuch a big sweet spot compared to my old wmr , wich i got for cheap for 146€ awhile ago

[@firestrikebs]

Get the quest

[@Henvag]

@@Thulen Yeah vr headsets are expensive in Norway.

[@MujihanaDesu]

I've got the Rift S and I love it. I would recommend it

[@kenn12588]

HappyJr oculus link

[@anaveragecanuck356]

I’m good with my quest lmao

[@ramengamer1389]

bruh the cosmos are trash

[@kermitfrogballs3692]

An Average Canuck yes

[@EpixFusion]

Same here

[@dukie7847]

Correct choice , I’m getting the quest for my bday and when I saw this for the reveal I was like FUCK but then I saw the price and rating and I was pretty happy ngl

[@firestrikebs]

Same

[@sammygreco]

Got the Rift S awhile back and one of the things that made me extremely happy was when people started talking about how it loses tracking when your hands are close to the mask (like aiming down a rifle's sights), they almost immediately patched it. It was like 2 weeks of an honestly not so big problem and they fixed it promptly. I'll be sticking with Rift as a company for a long time because of it, it left a really good impression on me. Hopefully HTC can do the same.

[@-Name-here-]

I love oculus I also own a wmr headset and it’s terrible the rift s is amazing and htc being a company that sells 500-800 dollar vr headsets and rift s is much better glad I never did go in and buy the cosmos

[@aquaticborealis4877]

There was an update for the Cosmos. Seems to have helped people out. The room where you use the Cosmos might have some interplay as well. Inside out tracking has its challenges.

[@RealShaggy]

@@aquaticborealis4877 Inside out tracking is basically perfected on the quest and rift S though, a few stutters now and then or lost tracking if it's too dark or light but that's all I ever have go wrong.

[@godpinch]

Never been a fan of Facebook as a company and never made an account but I'm really into what they are doing for VR. Yes I can see where they are going and that they will start to force Facebook account stuff with some of their apps Like venues and I'm assuming that one they mentioned at connect. I think given the amount of money they are putting into VR and development and the funding of John Carmack though I will probably be fine with it if I eventually have to make an account. Google has all my data anyway and I'm OK with it for the convenience of using their tech. The idea of VR is something I've been obsessed with since I was a kid (35 now) and they are making it happen

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

I wish they'd update their home software every now and then.... not a big deal though...

[@Carolyne_games]

This honestly just made me appreciate my Quest even more. It's amazing what Oculus has been able to deliver at the $400 price range.

[@zethcader6478]

They seem to be trying to kill off everything but the Quest, lol soon they will unleash hand tracking for it.

[@ianmiller6040]

@@zethcader6478 I can't wait, although there have been videos of the hand-tracking being a bit wonky right now, but hopefully that will be fixed in updates soon after release.

[@wotever99ninynine]

its more amazing what htc and valve have been able to deliver at the infinite price range... utter crap... that being said, the rift is may have great inside out tracking, and thats awesome, im all for that (currently own wmr). but the low refresh rate and resolution are a turn off for me. not to mention the ties to facebook..

[@kylesmith3624]

@@zethcader6478 I'm glad they are killing off the other headsets! One headset to rule them all

[@zethcader6478]

@@kylesmith3624 But how is it far to kill off a product people paid for.

[@TwoToRule]

Finally, as a WMR owner, I can flex.

[@dazzledooper]

TwoToRule I can relate my wmr aced headset would still probably be better due to the amount of games I can play

[@superintendentchalmers2246]

Lmao anything is better than the cosmos

[@superintendentchalmers2246]

@@prismglider5922 they shouldn't have released it at all and gone standalone

[@wotever99ninynine]

ikr, i was looking forward to the cosmos.. a mix between the rift s and the index. and most importantly, not connected to facebook... but this thing looks like it has far far worse support and tracking than my cheap ass wmr... which by the way is 90hz and 1440x1440x 2 (more than rift s).. so i still see no reason to upgrade.. i want a flip up visor, higher resolution screens, marginally better lenses and better controller tracking to upgrade.. the cosmos promised this.. and let me down... so now my wmr is better value than a cosmos.. i guess i can 'flex' about that.. but id rather have a functioning cosmos.. im all for inside out tracking. wmr started it and proved it works, oculus continued it and proved it can work well. so now i just want a decent inside out tracked headset, for a decent price.. but unless i want to downgrade resolution and fps for a rift s there is no current upgrade path for me.. not to mention the rift s is twice what i paid for my wmr..

[@NicoGamez]

Atleast we can hold our controllers infront of us and behind our back without them drifting away 😎

[@h.a.6790]

This will take the first place of being the worst headset of 2019.

[@williamsmith6921]

I thought the tracking on my WMR headset was bad, but now I guess people have to give Microsoft some props for making ok tracking on cheaper hardware, now that there is an even worse comparison

[@ashcosmo3854]

Worse how ? For tracking issues that can be fixed with firmware updates ? The Cosmos remains the best specced VR wether you want to believe it or not

[@UnknownSquid]

@@ashcosmo3854 Best Spec'd VR? Index, Paimax, and the HP-Reverb would all disagree. The Cosmos threw in a token 60 pixels more than the Index vertically to try and pretend it's got the better display, but the panels are lower quality and it lacks the FoV improvements to get any actual value out of them. In practice games will be running at the exact same pixel density, just with a tiny bit more on the top and bottom that you can't even see clearly. Even with firmware updates the tracking will still be camera based, which is a major downside vs any lighthouse system, and the additional adaptor+lighthouses+controllers required to make the Cosmos a lighthouse headset puts the total cost of the system in the area of $1300 to $1400. The Cosmos is far from the best spec'd VR. It's a weird middle ground option that was sadly late to the party vs both the Rift-S and the Index. It tried to compete with both at the same time, rushed it's release in a bid for the Christmas sales, and has ultimately failed to win over either side of the market. It was a bold and interesting attempt, but Vive should probably have gone for one or the other more specifically. Either a $500 Rift-S competitor, or a $600 successor to the OG Vive, still featuring lighthouse as it's primary tracking method. Chasing after both ends of the market at once was reckless.

[@dennismarzan5770]

Ash Cosmo best specced? LCD lenses and can only worked wired? Which planet are u in bruh- check the oculus quest and valve index, they dont have problems with tracking and are correctly priced

[@ashcosmo3854]

@@dennismarzan5770 Oculus did have tracking issues which wet fixed in a patch like Cosmos will. Higher resolution higher refresh rate. Doesn't matter if it's LCD.. I don't hear anyone complaining about their gaming monitor being LCD.. Cosmos is superior in all aspects except from price

[@ChaseFace]

Couldn't be happier with my Index.

[@zethcader6478]

Nothing can get close to the index lol

[@NiliMoto]

Same. After this review i just looked at my baby and smiled. I honestly couldn’t think of anything that im missing or what another hmd would do better

[@ReanCombrinck]

I'm sure you do. You and the rest of the 1%

​@@NiliMoto I have one thing. It's the wireless.

[@Flacodanielon]

@@zethcader6478 I have the original Vive, I bought the Index on louch, after using it for a few hours I RETURNED the piece of shit. Black levels were unacceptable, banding issues with screens, the clicking issue with the knuckles, blue tint on the damn screens, god rays that are much worse than the Vive (somehow), stupid black orbs on the sides which are incredibly distracting, and the list goes on. I cannot believe how people ate this up, not sure how they chose to ignore all those issues, I couldn't.

[@Lorfarius]

They should have delayed this, shocking.

[@firestrikebs]

Especially the fact their OWN store doesn't even support the cosmos. Makes it feel like a prank on the people that spent $699 on this headset. I am just glad I got a quest

[@pcmasterracetechgod5660]

Honestly they should've just cancelled the whole project. This thing is legit laughable. Like, I was actually shocked throughout this whole video, just con after con. If this was 5 years ago, I could see letting this slide. But there is so many issues that simply shouldn't be there for a 2019 HMD.

[@nickwallace3510]

No, the shocking part is when you realise that they DID delay it, they revealed it for the first time in 2018 and it was expected to start getting out at the beginning of 2019, they delayed it almost 10 months for this...

[@Lorfarius]

@@nickwallace3510 I'm actually speechless. They might never fix the issues either!

[@firestrikebs]

Nick Wallace 😂😂😂😂

[@spaghettiweddi8031]

It’s like they went “Huh, we want to make an Oculus Rift S but worse.”

[@MarkoHR]

and almost twice the price

[@spaghettiweddi8031]

It’s only expensive because it has Vive in the name, lol

[@MarkoHR]

@@spaghettiweddi8031 Well, not really, High Resolution Panels, Good Headphones, 6(!) cameras(I'm pretty sure some are full color), but does it matter when tracking is ass?

[@spaghettiweddi8031]

To that I agree with you

[@Rocksteady72a]

HTC: We'll charge them more for less quality in tracking! But- HTC: But there's an extra camera :D I mean, but- HTC: And requires extra batteries :D But- Wait, _how many_ more batteries? HTC: Yes.

[@grubas727]

Top 5 things to do after getting the Cosmos Headset: 1. Return it and get your money back. 2. Buy Oculus rift(s), Valve index or even Htc Vive. 3. Go see a therapist. It is possible that you suffered from an irreversible brain damage while using your Cosmos. 4. Go to a random review of that thing and sh*t on it in the comments. 5. Call it a day and move on with your life.

[@lucasr161]

Yeah, I think quest or index are the way to go right now. Still thorgholy impressed with my quest after weeks of play most days. Also thanks Mike fo your honest opinion on this headset, I have been looking into it for a while and am glad to know I made a good choice with my quest and that the cosmos may not live up to the hype for a while.

[@corninmyass356]

So did u get a quest if so is it good?

[@JJ-rl3zm]

Benson Adee it is great definitely worth it

[@corninmyass356]

@@JJ-rl3zm thanks for the info! I bet it definitely better than psvr xd

[@f-14enthusiast63]

Index way better lol

[@symatra]

Well said. My quest still feels like a new experience after two months of play!

[@jaysan003]

You lucky man... 😬 Playing with all these toys. Shame this HMD isn't really good, because control and enjoyment are everything.

[@Trio3224]

Have you tried the controller tracking while not surrounded by a green screen? It seems like the tracking is hurt by green screen and 99% of us will not be gaming next to a green screen

[@devindykstra]

The clips he showed of the poor tracking quality had him facing the camera with his back to the green screen. And besides the Rift S and Quest work perfectly in that same spot supposedly.

[@speaker1115]

Cas (of Cas and Chary) had the same issue and she resorted to putting sticky notes on her green screen and it made tracking normal again.

[@tibor29]

I own the Cosmos and I'm not getting any major tracking issues. Something about his particular unit is off or it just doesn't like his specific environment.

[@lesliedrew936]

I think green screens can affect the controller tracking

[@Taijifufu]

Yeah don't inside-out tracking systems like rooms with unique markers and not a continuous monochrome sheet?

[@aquaticborealis4877]

Yeah, this is the case. The room I use is not too uniform, so I think that's why I didn't really have big issues when I tested this afternoon. But I only tested for 20 min.

[@EnzoTheBaker]

He said the green screen was behind him and he doesn't think that would affect the forward-facing cameras. And he uses the same room for Rift S and Quest. Perhaps he should try it in a different room, just to be 100% sure.

[@vegardt4017]

I got this headset three days ago, so Ive been able to test it alot the last days. Good review, but I dont suffer from any of the tracking issues you are talking about. I am using a very strong light tho, maybe that helps. Only thing causing me problems is moving one controllers in front of the other one (something they said theyre working on) When it comes to games and the controllers on the other hand, its not that many games that support the controllers yet, and that sucks.. this wil get better tho, and Ive just been making my own bindings or using the oculus bindings to get them working well!

[@coolguyalex127]

Vegard T how about the display and God Rays? Which gives the best visual experience between Cosmos or Index?

[@phantasaia]

** see edit below** Same. I used it for about 2 hours today and did not have an issue. I suspect it is at least partially the lack of objects in his play environment, it's just too flat. Edit: I’m returning mine. Tried to use after dark last night with tons of lights on, constantly “too dark” - then today the room was constantly “too bright” and tracking was very poor. Ive had Samsung odyssey in same room for 2 yrs and it has some issues but nowhere near this bad ☹️ disappointed and not willing to wait this out - it’s too bad.

[@coolguyalex127]

Phantasaia thanks for telling me, I’ve cancelled my order and ordered an Index

[@tibor29]

Exact same experience here. I don't have any tracking issues either. Game compatibility isn't going to be amazing 2 days after the official release date, that's to be expected frankly. The hate this headset is getting at the moment is just silly, especially since the Rift S suffered from a bunch of issues at launch as well which got ironed out over time.

[@xurvis2789]

Why not just get a vive? Its cheaper

[@BeyondTheGridMedia]

Tough one for Vive. Sad as their accessories offer the widest options in some ways. Full body, wireless, etc

[@devindykstra]

I hope valve can work out a wireless solution for the Index, that would be flipping amazing. I haven't tried the Vive wireless adapter myself, but I hear it is quite remarkable. Hopefully Valve can create an equally impressive implementation.

[@BeyondTheGridMedia]

Devin Dykstra im sure they will. They already have a accessory port baked into the Index so I hope to see some developments that make use of it soon.

[@RojasTKD7]

Beyond the Grid The question is when? With 120Hz and 144Hz options wireless probably becomes even more difficult. Also watch the "Cas and Chary" review, the had issue due to the green screen which hampered tracking. The had to put sticky note on the on the wall so the tracking cameras could work properly. I think the may have been one of his issues. Also lights may have been too bright as the Cosmos dosen't seem to like it too dim or too light. Anyway, the other reviews are more positive and I still have hope of getting a Cosmos for wireless comparability as I think the Index will take a while, if it all.

[@wotever99ninynine]

@@RojasTKD7 probably.. definitely. and unless some physicist invents a new way of doing it, they are limited to wireless frequencies. they are all already known. their benefits and drawbacks. basically the more bandwidth the shorter the distance. so in other words... its currently impossible.

[@RojasTKD7]

@@wotever99ninynine Gabe Newell already started they are looking into options. The technology isn't there yet or would be too pricey at this time to be practical. Hopefully, they will have a solution in 2020. If not the Cosmos might be my other option.

[@F4LLXEN]

Anyone else looking forward to the Oculus Quest link adaptor for your PC?

[@ianmiller6040]

I haven't gotten the update yet, but once I do, hell yes!

[@Jonalius]

A Rift S Wireless Adapter would be nice too

[@Martencell]

Me: mum can we buy oculus rift s? Mum: We have oculus rift s at home Oculus rift s at home:

[@mrMacMilli2000]

DEAR LORD. how could they release this??

[@AretaicGames]

A Rift S was my first entry into VR. I thought I would indulge myself by "upgrading" to the Vive Cosmos, but ran into all the problems outlined in this video. The tracking is simply appalling, as compared to the Rift S, to the point that Beat Saber was virtually unplayable unless I lit my room with flood lights and held my arms in front of me at all times,which was made difficult by those heavy, clunky controllers. Sure, the image quality was better, as long as I could keep the "sweet spot," but I could never keep it for long. On top of all that, Viveport Origin is simply undercooked as a hub environment. The Cosmos is now on its way back for a refund, and I have a new appreciation for the Rift S as a reliable, easy-to-use headset.

[@gooseywhispers]

how much better was the clarity of image, worth 300 more? and how hot did both headsets get

[@gadkinson]

Why would you choose the Cosmos over, like, anything else?

[@ParadiseDecay]

Watching Mike finger those flaps..... lol

[@kamekmagickoopa6532]

I’ll stick to my ol’ Vive Standard.

[@Happyhourxd]

Sam but I have the index controllers the thumb stick issuses are gone after the first release

[@crunchyapple2793]

I wanted to get the original but it’s no longer being sold anywhere except for amazon and I just can’t get it there, they want like $800

[@Akyomi777]

@@crunchyapple2793 yeah everyone is buying original HTC vive that a lot of shops just doesn't sell em' anymore since the price has dropped past 3 years drastically to comparable to vive s or quest

[@snerttt]

Yeah, or go for rift s, they seem to have really good tracking 👍

[@raccoonax2960]

Your the reason I got into vr and without these reviews I wouldn't know what's what

[@DonMomotaro]

*you're

[@grizeldiSLO]

So it's as expected. Bad tracking for a rather huge price (for what it offers). Didn't see bad software support coming though, as OpenVR isn't supposed to care about the controller types. Unless they fix the tracking, it looks dead on arrival to me.

[@mmmmosaic]

$300 more than Rift S 🤣😂

[@Legendnewer]

HTC should have stayed with lighthouse tracking tbh

[@yus1812]

Lol true

[@ashcosmo3854]

Lol @ all the upset oculus fanboys with their inferior display resolution and 80hz.. Oculus patched the Rift tracking as it awful on release and HTC will do the same. Specs wise Cosmos remains the superior product and will be the best once a few firmware updates are released.

[@pretz5584]

Hopefully some updates can fix the tracking issues

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Fingers crossed! []-)

[@RojasTKD7]

Zrecz check out "Cas & Chary" review, in a room with a green screen tracking is problematic. They placed sticky notes on the wall so the camera had land marks to maintain tracking. That might be why he was having such issues. This is the only review I've seen with such extreme problems.

[@jessirarara]

As someone who has this headset, I would love to see you do an updated review

[@zacthegamer6145]

How's tracking now? Is it comparable to Quest 2 when it comes to tracking?

[@AverageSoldierMain]

Please help I want to know

[@Jeazye]

Like he said, the tracking has indeed been fixed

[@snjar_6321]

Definitely make a new review on this piece. From my experience, the tracking has gotten much better with the recent updates. Still finicky in some areas such as holding pistols in games but i've learned to obey the Camera sensors limits; doing this makes everything co-operate.

[@Silvia_Rose]

glad to hear, i just bought this and then came across older reviews like this and was starting to feel a little pang of regret, but it can't be thaaaaat bad right?

[@aspected]

@@Silvia_Rose how did you find it?

[@Silvia_Rose]

@@aspected terrible, do not buy, there is a reason vive stepped out of the consumer market for a while after the Cosmo's release

[@aspected]

@@Silvia_Rose hahaha fair enough I'll get a Rift S instead. Wasn't expecting you to reply so thank you!!

[@BoostedCommando]

I just bought a htc vive for myself and I can guarantee you that the headset in general is absolute trash, I own a rift s too, and the difference between those two are enormous. If you want to buy a htc, at least go with cosmos elite, but please, just do not buy vive cosmos, cuz you will regret it.

[@cskhard]

I was scared that you would review cosmos being too positive because it being a present from Vive, but I'm really glad you reviewed sincerely. This HMD has really been a dissapointment,thanks for being clear about it!

[@3p1ks]

They literally copied Oculus' controllers!

[@skullenn69]

3p1ks exactly what I was thinking

[@HarambeMan]

Skullen_ 69 and the inside out tracking

[@knyt0]

no they didnt, it's good that they went for it, and sad that they're going away again. it helped make it more universal, until the index controllers become universal

[@Taijifufu]

Perhaps a future SteamVR patch and firmware update for the first Vive inside-out tracking HMD will fix a lot? I know HTC has made a lot of missteps over the years but I don't wish for the Vive ecosystem to implode with this.

[@pizzanico3916]

HTC hasn’t been doing so well lately...

[@jackr.749]

HTC isn't keeping up with the competition especially in the prices, their prices are out to lunch. I'm surprised they're still in business.

[@pizzanico3916]

Jack R. Yeah, their only good product in the VR industry so far is the OG Vive imo

[@pizzanico3916]

Thomas Yes, i expected way more

[@ge2719]

theyve been doing about the same as every other thing theyve done, as in, not too good and always bordering on going out of business.

[@pizzanico3916]

Graeme Evans yeah HTC is like the Internet Explorer of VR lmao

[@evanludwick2392]

It sounds like he's saying "Welcooome silly Oasis" at the beginning.

[@baronsengir187]

Seems like Oculus are the only ones really serious about their homework and RD Department.

[@UnknownSquid]

Well, them and Valve.

[@evolicious]

Valve, much more than Oculus are the most serious about VR R&D and understanding of VR. Oculus wouldn't exist without Valve

[@josiahbollocks]

I hope this means the og Vive gets a price cut

[@powermaker6967]

It looks like it's even worse than Rift S on release date.

[@VellahTV]

I was going to wait for this before pulling the trigger on the index. I've now spent 100 hours playing with my index, and I couldn't be happier about it

[@kenball1980]

I can't beleive high tech hardware like this is using AA batteries in 2019. I like the Cosmos hardware choices, especially being a big fan of the PSVR style HMD and the over the ear headphone style. But the software sounds like it has a loooong way to go. Is this HTC first bout of inside out tracking? Great video, thanks for the info.

[@godpinch]

I actually prefer the choice for AA batteries in this the s and the quest as with the Eneloops you can have good rechargeable batteries without having to worry about a non replaceable one that will eventually fail. Tbf I wouldn't be that in to having to stick a load of double a's into my phone but to miss the replaceable batteries.

[@heehee63]

The removable batteries are actually a plus. You can just get rechargeable and extra pairs of them so that when one runs out, you just swap them right away. No need to wait for recharging before playing again.

[@rlam905]

Built-in batteries tend to degrade over time so having the option to put rechargeable AA batteries in is better in my opinion.

[@Dante02d12]

This is one of those *many* cases where there is no "better" solution. "Better" is not a scientific term, I'd like people to stop using this BS when talking about tech. AA batteries have the BIG advantage of being quickly replaceable, plus it has a way bigger autonomy, and for the same autonomy it is lighter than the usual batteries. But they have the BIG issue of being more expensive in the end and must be stocked if you don't want to run out of it (it happened to me... a lot... xD). Personally, I choose AA batteries whenever I can. Rechargeable batteries simply don't have a good enough autonomy (that's actually the BIGGEST issue in electronics).

[@hamish4941]

Literally double the price of the Rift s here in New Zealand. (700 nzd to 1400 nzd) Awful value.

[@wotever99ninynine]

i got a lenovo explorer for about $440NZD shipped off amazon. at the time the only alternative was dell visor for $970nzd in nz. so i got the wmr from amazon for like $240usd or so.. i have been very very happy with it. half the reason i bought it was because at the time there was so little vr hmd's available in nz, and at such a premium that i could easily not only sell it without a loss, but even profit. so it was win win. i very quickly decided to keep it though. amazing stuff. tracking isnt perfect but otherwise its amazing. i play dirt rally and project cars 2 every weekend at least a bit. also onward every weekend or two. i love it. other games not so much.. i still dont get the hype around beat saber.. i find it kinda boring and cheesy. but each to their own.

[@DAAC86]

think im happy that i ordered an rift s instead of this one also because of the price

[@Holret]

yeah imagine paying 800$ for something that only plays 3-4 games and its incompatible with other HTC games. Kind of makes me happy to know that Oculus Rift, Oculus S and soon the Quest (will) share the same library, That's smart.

[@OO-nb2kt]

Why so much hate? It’s good to have options. I’m sure they will eventually release patch fixes in 5he future.

[@zigmundfreiheit7222]

Probably a year at how slow HTC is. 10 month delay for this.

[@hdspanky527]

Just now seeing this review. Just purchased the Cosmos Elite headset. Have these issues been updated or tweaked since launch? Moreover, can the tracking be improved with the base stations?

[@bobbymkd457]

Who in their right mind would buy this?!

[@arbitrarytuba6498]

Can we just appreciate how he says guys and girls, this guys awesome

[@ianmiller6040]

That always makes me smile. Mike's great.

[@BeamDeam]

6:23 i got my Index a few days ago and the thumb Stick clicks on all directions. Seems like they fixed it in the newer produced ones.

[@notLMV]

Can't believe I was excited for this

[@IllusivePrime]

So I want to start VRing, what is the best VR set to get? I've looked at this product on Amazon, I wouldn't pay £700 for a set with these issue. Any recomendations?

[@KaliAngy]

Illusive Prime index from what i heard is the best vr headset, but for something more affordable i’d say oculus rift s if you have a good pc and if not get an oculus quest

[@IllusivePrime]

@@KaliAngy Money is not an issue. So you're saying to get this? To me what puts me off is the controller tracking. My computer is of a MSI B150A Gaming Pro M.B with 7 & 10 OS and a 4GB Zotac GTX 970 Nvidia graphics card and a Intel i5-6500 CPU and 25GB of RAM. Is that enough to run VR?

[@AdmiralDarius]

sad to hear cosmos is a failure. i don't like facebook and i want a competition

[@SUNSET69]

Don't worry, when games such as boneworks and valve titles get released which are built for the index's knuckles Facebook will stand no chance 😄

[@Nick_1790]

IbyGTR I would not bet against the Zuck

[@jalbrekt706]

IbyGTR Well good thing Facebook has a headset that is $600 cheaper and doesn’t require it to be tethered to a high end gaming PC and that can actually be adopted by the mainstream. I don’t think you realize how extremely niche the high end PCVR community is and how little impact is has compared to the potential audience size of the Oculus Quest

[@CognosSquare]

It is not a failure. It is insane that Oasis made it sound like that. He did a hit piece on HTC. He was even unable to play any games to test the battery life wtf? I have played 17 games as of now that worked directly. I did very little tracking issues, similar to the Quest.

[@SUNSET69]

@@jalbrekt706 I guess we'll just have to wait and see if hand/finger tracking becomes mainstream or not, and from what we saw oculus show off this past week it still looks like valve's the best option unless oculus greatly improve what they already shown off. I'll admit though at this point the only 2 serious HMD's in the running at the Index and the Quest. Quest tethering alone has probably killed HTC for good if it wasn't already dead after the Rift S and Index made the Vive Pro obsolete.

[@Zuriki_]

Damnn, better get a Quest for half the price and twice the fun.

[@FunkyStudios]

Ivium exactly

[@James987]

Index Controllers are great now. I got a new one about a month ago, and it clicks in ALL directions like perfect. (in video you said it didn't)

[@bliglum]

So, It drops all the premium features that people loved about the Vive, namely, the industry leading tracking system. Only to replace it with the cheap and lazy inside out tracking that won't even let you grab a damn arrow from your quiver in game, or hold your pistol with two hands. Simple things like that.... Nice... And they still have the audacity to charge a premium price too boot eh?? Wow, good luck selling this POS HTC!

[@adgepeterb]

Smooth set and it takes 30 minutes doesnt go hand in hand, for me a definition of a smooth set up is no longer the 5 minutes

[@marvinmonroe9839]

OK but what are our options here in Australia? Index is unavailable with no release date in sight, and given it's US$999 price tag I suspect will be near the A$2K mark once shipping and import taxes are factored in (Cosmos is retailing for A$1299 here). No local distribution at all for the Rift S means it has to be bought direct from the US which doesn't sit well with me as I suspect sorting out warranty issues would be a costly nightmare. Not to mention the fact the S appears to be a technically inferior product to the Vive (but not by much). As someone who has been holding off getting into PC VR since CV1, the Cosmos seems to be the only realistic option on the Australian market at the moment. Am I wrong ?

[@b0mbware]

Vive is LITERALLY not even trying anymore. Period.

[@tomcat3900]

It's not that they aren't trying, it's that they no longer have Valve designing their headsets for them

[@b0mbware]

@@tomcat3900 oh wow they depended on valve that's sad:/

[@ghastlymars7119]

Damn, cant even use one set of batteries because theres not enough to play. Thats really sad.

[@rage1265]

GIGIDY

[@goodtyme]

Hi sans

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

[]-)

[@Fruityajmes]

Personally I have an oculus quest but even I feel they have rushed the headset and tried to add a feature like the flip up to make it seem uniquely the best on the market but I don’t think it has the fun involved in its prequels the vive pro in general just don’t get a cosmos

[@stevedrumheller3520]

Great overview Mike! I especially like your use of the "lazy-susan" spinning table as an homage to HTC's amazing marketing campaign! Lol

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Haha gotta love a lazy susan []-)

[@slamdunkbeats4071]

Vr oasis: hi my names mike Half the six year olds watching this video: hawk

[@GetToDaChoppaVR]

Thank you for the honest and frank review. For such a pricey headset you would expect and hope for a very small amount of issues to overcome but tracking should definitely not be one of them

[@VirtualRealityOasis]

Cheers mate []-)

[@GunnyNinja]

When will HTC pay someone else for lenses? I could have a Cosmos in my hands today, but I won't bother.

[@ollirk9696]

I never had Great expectations for this headset and after seeding this i was right. I hope they fix everything about the cobtrollers and more so many People dont lose their money😊

[@wotever99ninynine]

you have torrenting on your mind pal, i think you meant 'seeing' ;-)

[@yingyuzheng7392]

I've read and watch a lot of reviews before deciding the buy the Cosmos. I can tell you the tracking works great for me as long as I turn the lights on in my room. I have 4 LED down lights for my study room which is 4m by 4m. I've owned the original Vive, the Vive Pro and now the Cosmos and I can tell you the Cosmos is hands down the best VR experience I ever had. I played beat saber and the tracking is just so fast and faultless. I don't know why some people complain about tracking issues which I've had none whatsoever. I also love the fact that I don't have to turn on the lighthouse sensors as the cosmos requires none. My Vive Pro sensors used to make buzzing noises and it's annoying as hell. HTC has nailed it this time, the Cosmos is a clear winner with higher resolution than the Valve Index VR.

[@wokyiar]

i saw the comment on someone elses channel by u. so i belive you cuh i bought it. no regrets

[@zigmundfreiheit7222]

Do you think if I set up extra lamps it can make the tracking good? I just have a single LED on my fan

[@wokyiar]

@@zigmundfreiheit7222 honestly i say give it maybe a month or two. the tracking has gotten better in the past month, and so had the lighting.

[@goodtyme]

Why does he say cosmos like that

[@monomakes]

Yea! It's like Murica invented English (with Greek roots), innit mate!

[@goodtyme]

@@monomakes well cosmos isnt really a common word so I've never heard it pronounced like that

[@mrMacMilli2000]

@@goodtyme cuz he's a bloody yank

[@monomakes]

@@goodtyme 'not common'? Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan and Brian Cox (and Dr. Who, obviously) to name but a few, would beg to differ.

[@monomakes]

@@mrMacMilli2000 wtf? He has a decidedly British English accent. His pronunciation of 'cosmos' is in that idiom, and no mistake. I see no evidence of Yankery here!

[@odditoriumleviathan8725]

Tbh probably don’t get a Rift S as well, have you seen the glitches on that thing? Just buy a quest and wait for Oculus Link.

[@razzkelly7565]

I got mine about six months ago and haven’t had much trouble a little bit of tracking problems but not that bad I have played through boneworks gorn BnS and have beaten them all and have fifty hours on BnS and a bunch of other games but i think there has been a lot of up dates you should give it another review

[@kiwi03080308]

HTC already had released new version 1.0.9.6 . Finally,Tracking system is perfect .awesome!

[@puggy7852]

So glad i bought a valve index before this released omg

[@TheTylerpoe]

Will you be doing a follow-up in a day or two to see if any of these issues have been resolved? Doesn't have to be a full video but maybe a reply or tweet? My Cosmos arrived today but I haven't even opened the box because of all the issues. My plan is to return it in a couple days unless tracking/lighting issues have been dramatically improved!

[@tibor29]

I have one. I'm honestly really happy with it and I haven't had any major tracking issues. Game compatibility is going to be resolved soon, it came out just a few days ago, you can't expect 100% game compatibility in the first week. Definitely give it a try before deciding whether to return it.

[@TopazZe]

I just bought this vr first thing i did before even setup is taking this shitty headset off its just stupid and loss, the tracking is ok not that bad, if you have good deal take it its just fine.

[@recon3ngineer526]

yeet

[@strictaphid7922]

Oculus quest is number one

[@theeclipsemaster]

Where do you go in vr with the cosmos Home to rethink your choices. You. Bought. A. Cosmos.

[@savageteam9544]

Is the Vive Cosmos a copy of the Oculus Rift-s? It looks like a Oculus Rift-s

[@Nekminute]

got used to 144hz on the index. 90hz would just make me barf

[@FalbereChan]

Index got the top range, Rift S/Quest got the low end HTC have the mid-range? No. If all you have is 700 dollars, its much better to save the money and buy a Rift S...