Vivian's Story and Queer Trauma (Paper Mario: TTYD)

[@dianalawnder5282]

So something about Vivian's ending, where she goes back to her sisters, you think its because the shadow sirens' only purpose was to serve the shadow queen, and unlike Vivian who had a found family to help her find her own purpose his sisters would be totally lost? I know its not in the text itself but i much prefer "im helping them because they deserve a chance at happiness despite what they've done" to "im sticking by them because they're family" it fits her character and themes more

[@dustymcwari4468]

Its also possible Vivian became the leader of the group, and its stated Beldam had a change of heart after the defeat of the Shadow Queen, maybe after that happened she lost faith in taking over the world, and seeing how much better Vivian fared while being with the good guys compared to her who stuck with the dark side, she may've reconsidered her life choices

[@weatherman1504]

It kinda reminds me of the ending for the three mage sisters and Hyness from Kirby Super Star.

[@StevenJones851]

@@dustymcwari4468 thats some deep story telling

[@SheosMan117]

Why do I want to hug Vivian now? And not the awkward one arm hug. I mean the "If I was hugging any tighter you'd have breathing problems" hug. The long kind that if needed, would take hours.

[@professorpengu502]

Everyone should want to she's adorable and needs hugs

[@HappyYummmy]

creep😅

[@ArgentuTA164-2]

@@HappyYummmy Wanting to give someone a hug isn't creepy???

[@JustNormalGreenKirby]

I get that urge too.

[@StevenJones851]

same

[@frogsplat]

ROCK IT DUDE!!! I love your analysis of Vivian's character, and you do a wonderful job covering her experience from all angles! The fact that you talk about abuse in such a respectful and conscious way while not dancing around the issue is powerful as hell, and you're spectacularly considerate of the trans experience. The whole video is empowering as hell and I really enjoyed it!!! This is some of your best work, dude.

[@seasonembrace3624]

Characters like Vivian along with the dapper looking Count Bleck from the Wii entry (SPM) or even the Crystal King from (64) as examples. Are honestly the type of uniquely designed characters I miss seeing in modern Paper Mario. And also having Mario Characters that are deeper and that you also sympathize with. And even the atmosphere that the original trilogy had. Granted I've heard Olivia from (Origami King) is an adorable fluffball.

[@LuxyHugs]

Olivia, while cute, is not deep. She's pretty shallow when it comes to Mario characters

[@seasonembrace3624]

@@LuxyHugs So who would your favorite cast member be from this spin off series?

[@enderallygolem]

Bobby. Just bobby. For obvious reasons.

[@seasonembrace3624]

@@enderallygolem He's precious Bomb buddy.

[@StevenJones851]

@@seasonembrace3624 yes bomb buddy

[@Smg065]

Vivan's story is one dear to my heart. I came across this video from a friend. I never really knew why I was so drawn to her as a kid, but it makes a lot more sense now that I've recognized more about my own gender identity. Hopefully it won't be a complete shitshow when the next gen plays the TTYD remake, I know there will be a lot of talking around it.

[@Deltabolster]

It's probably just gonna have the English translation from the original game which doesn't really mention the fact she is trans. Which will probably create the least drama and will just call the team lazy for not doing a better translation

[@MattTOB618]

​@@Deltabolster If you've seen some of the more recent footage, it seems that at least some parts of the script will be re-translated.

[@Deltabolster]

@@MattTOB618 I mean I haven't really kept up with it, don't feel the need. I've never played it and heard enough about it to know I was gonna get it. original English version or re-translated version doesn't matter much to me which I get. Will say though if it is fully re-translated and Vivian being trans pops up I'm gonna grab my popcorn and watch bigots on twitter get mad

[@MattTOB618]

@@Deltabolster Neither have I; I just watched a video that popped up in my recommended about how the dialogue in the trio's introduction is different, meaning that potentially more is different.

[@dustymcwari4468]

​​@@Deltabolsterso far they're making Beldam meaner than the og eng version, rather than simply calling Vivian ugly, she's refusing to consider her part of the family, they reverted the original team name to the Shadow Trio/Three Shadows, and Vivian wanting to call the team the Shadow Sisters, like the og jp version

[@Xenomnipotent]

A line in the Japanese script; "それに　じつは　アタイ・・・ 体は　オトコのコだけど ココロは　カワイイ　オンナのコなの" "The thing is... I... I have a boy's body, but my heart is a cute girl's!" (using feminine first person pronouns)

[@Xenomnipotent]

'B-but Vivian is a crossdresser. He's a man!' Nope. Vivian is degradingly called 'otokonoko' by Beldam. Otokonoko has two meanings depending on the kanji used: 男の子 = boy 男の娘 = male daughter / crossdresser / femboy However, in SPM it is written in katakana (オトコノコ) which could mean either, but the first meaning (boy) is SIGNIFICANTLY more common and it can be reasonably inferred to be saying 'boy'. The second one is a pun and only really used in niche circles. It is also important to note that 'otokonoko' is only used by Beldam, who the story frames as an antagonist and awful person for mistreating Vivian (e.g., Vivian introduces themselves as the 3 shadow sisters. Beldam insults Vivian for using the word sisters, stating that she's a boy, and forcing her to apologize). So even if it were using the second definition, it would be completely meaningless since Beldam is constantly shown by the narrative itself to demean Vivian and not respect her identity. Other characters, as well as Vivian herself, describe her as a woman and use feminine pronouns when mentioning her. TL;DR, Vivian is trans. Cope.

[@Xenomnipotent]

"O-oh yeah? The JP script also has the line 'He may look like a girl, but he's actually a boy.' That CONFIRMS Vivian is a man for sure!" Nope. This quote is used as a 'gotcha!' as if this isn't just a way to convey the message that Vivian is MtF to the audience in 2004. Do you really expect Japan to use and explain the meaning ofトランスジェンダー in 2004 when that wasn't even a word commonly used in America at the time? The simple fact is, Vivian self-identifies as a girl despite being born “male”, and the word for that in our language, which the *author does not have control or authority over* is “transgender woman”. At that point, it really doesn’t matter that the narrator says. TL;DR, Vivian's direct statements on her identity overwrite _ALL_ other statements about her identity. It is really that simple. Cope.

[@Xenomnipotent]

"W-well even if Vivian is a trans woman, it adds NOTHING to the story! It's just woke pandering!" Nope. Vivian being trans IS a huge part of her character and overall story. Her being bullied over her identity is what causes her to leave the Shadow Sirens and join Mario as an ally. Also, her being trans definitely adds subtext to a chapter all about Mario literally having his body taken from him and having friends turning on him, to the point where he couldn't even say his own name so he has to steal it back. TL;DR, Trying to downplay Vivian being trans is downplaying the themes of the story and the entire character itself. Cope.

[@abledkey]

​@@XenomnipotentGoombella initially calls him a girl and then corrects herself to say boy in her original Japanese description of the character, and there are much more common Japanese terms used for trans people, but they used otonoko which is more commonly used for femboys. The character trope of men/boys looking like women/girls is very old in Japanese culture and is not the same as the character being trans.

[@Xenomnipotent]

@@abledkey wow, that’d be great… if only otokonoko referred to a femboy back then.

[@nathanblackburn1193]

I obviously never picked up on the trans elements of Vivian's character when I was a kid but even after I learned about it I was like "So what she's still clearly a girl"

[@Dragonsting21]

If you played the English version, you couldn’t pick up on it if you tried cause they completely omitted that. I’m glad they didn’t this time.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

I was also a bit confused at first but pretty quickly accepted that. Like oh, she used to be a boy but now she's a girl, cool". Her being the victim of Beldam's bullying felt a lot more relevant to her character to me (which is kind of why I'm a bit sad that they removed Beldam's transphobic lines in the remake, weird as that sounds - it was a great way to tie those two aspects of her character together). For context, I played the Italian version, which is probably the most explicit about Vivian being trans.

[@MediaMunkee]

Yeah, it flared up again alright lol. THANK you for this video. I think around 2006-ish I originally went digging trying to find the skinny on exactly what Vivian's deal was, and it was an endless rabbit hole of arguments in both directions. I just kind of gave up with an at-best vague and conflicted understanding. Now that the conversation has erupted again in [current year], of _course_ trying to find an answer regarding the original Japanese script is the same spiteful back-and-forth again except even worse. This video is honestly the most convincing presentation out of anything I've managed to dig up. So much of what I've seen is bickering over technicalities of exact language which may have been left deliberately ambiguous in the first place. I don't think I've ever heard anyone explain the thematic implications before, and of anything the revelation that Vivian is so adamant about helping Mario recover his _identity_ is what finally gave me that lightbulb moment. It'd be neat to have a video more granularly dissecting the original script from this perspective, but this finally got the point across. From the sound of it the new English translation may have done away with some of the ambiguity of the original, but still tackles it pretty tastefully and is surely the first time something like this has managed to actually make it into an NOA release which is kind of insane. Something _challenging_ finally slipping through the ironclad filter of that company's squeaky-clean, sanitized, family-friendly image.

[@encyclopediac9546]

Never made sense that trans identities be censored for a "family-friendly" reason. Being trans is not inappropriate for children

[@a_naotenhonome780]

We stan Vivian in this house

[@TheRiddler6129]

10:31 Small thing, but Vivian isn't actually your frailest Party Member. That title would belong to Koops or Ms Mowz. Vivian has 30 HP max, while Koops & Ms Mowz have 25 HP max.

[@LuxyHugs]

Sometimes I forget about Ms. Mowz... doomed to rot away in my inventory

[@PEARLSTOTHEPLAYERS]

Koops at least has the 1 point of defense going for him, Mowz has uh, nothing. Adding onto this Vivian has the same MHP as Goombella and the Yoshi that calls Mario Gonzales. This actually puts Vivian and the other 30 MHPs at the middle because the top is 40 with Bobbery and 35 with Flurrie while Koops and Ms Mowz are at the bottom.

[@rainpooper7088]

Koops makes up for his low HP with an inherent +1 in defense, so it evens out. Vivian on the other hand is immune to ground based attacks though. Ms Mowz on the other hand just sucks unfortunately, but she is optional.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@rainpooper7088 Wait, she is? Why did I never notice...?

[@weatherman1504]

I've gotta say, it's nice to see a video of this topic that is not only nice, but where the comments are also very friendly. It really sucks that even when a character can fit just about every "criteria" these people request (being an original non-western trans character with an interesting story, whose identity is confirmed in the original translation), they still can't accept it (which says quite a lot about them tbh). I hope that this is accurate translation is a step in the direction of a more accepting world.

[@LaserBread]

It happened. She's back.

[@leonelzubieta8636]

Actually, Vivian was allways a boy in the japanese version but I don't really want to write a lot so go check (How The Paper Mario Remake Changes Vivan’s Gender Depiction) it explains the japanese dialogues alot better than I would

[@joosh_world7242]

Hey there! Just found your channel through this video. I throughly enjoyed your analysis of Vivian and how she demonstrates the queer experience. Being non-binary myself, I found Vivian to be a character of comfort even when I had not yet realized I was neither a man nor a woman. You put to words a lot of thoughts I’ve had on her (and I’m sure many others have had as well). I want to warmly thank you for this video. It honestly was so affirming to my identity. Please keep making more content; I love the goal that you have set for yourself. If I had any advice, I would say I found myself looking away from the screen a lot because there was not a lot happening on screen. More graphics would be nice 😊 Anyways, I’m rooting for you! Here’s to hoping that more discourse will be brought up on both Vivian, queer love, and queer trauma when the TTYD remake comes out!

[@K-R-H]

There was never anything past Super Paper Mario, you hallucinated everything past that. Nothing past that is real. Nothing past that was ever real. You need to let it go, forgive yourself, and move on. Wake up, wake up, wake up.

[@thevioletbee5879]

Except for that neat point and click visual novel with the Bob-omb. Kinda weird that it didn’t have combat, but it was pretty good otherwise.

[@stevenuniveresefan2179]

What is this Ba-Sing-Se?

[@bestaround3323]

She is a hero helping mario

[@dianalawnder5282]

As a trans woman vivian has always been deeply important to me, when i was young she was kind of a reminder that i existed if that makes any sense, great video, you explain it all really well

[@EmileAnimation]

Vivian is not trans he's a fanboy 💀💀💀

[@haydenbush8518]

@@EmileAnimationBeldam speech bubble No, she’s trans

[@professorpengu502]

@@EmileAnimation she is literally trans in the remake

[@Jesty.r]

@@EmileAnimation1. You mean femboy? 2. Its directly implied that she is trans

[@drink_your_water]

beldam speech bubble

[@Tatsuderg]

Support Vivian next June!

[@claudiaorozco560]

I really liked Vivian as a character so much, that I used her as my main member throughout the final bosses in the Palace of Shadows. (Gloomtail, The Shadow Sirens, Grodus, Bowser and Kammy, and the shadow queen.) that’s how much I liked her as a character.

[@varietychan]

I really hope the Remake keeps this, it's possible they would completely change it like certain other text, I assume they're changing the name of "Twilght Town" too

[@jonaszprzybycien6545]

Good news, the remake threw all the doubts out of the window Cue angry bigots getting beldamposted

[@ShiaTheBunnyGirl]

Vivian is my favorite partner because as a trans woman I just relate to her so much. Also in terms of battle she's not the best party member but I find her so fun to play with because I view it as her getting over her fears. She's not the strongest but that's ok. She's just herself.

[@kingzant99]

Vivian has always been important to me, even in the many years before i realized why. I love her for that ❤

[@davidjimenez217]

PAPER MARIO TRYD MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ CANT WAIT FOR The REMAKE,

[@galaxy2-yb7pf]

I look up to this character with three characters. I called the transgender icons. We have Vivian from paper maro mad mew mew From Undertale and Mettaton from Undertail

[@seasonembrace3624]

Random thing I’ve noticed is that Undertale has some pretty similar stuff that Super Paper Mario has in some of the cast as well as those human souls being similar to the pure hearts in SPM.

[@galaxy2-yb7pf]

I’m starting to now think they’re the same exact universe. Just alternate timelines. Or Toby Fox likes Paper super Mario Too much

[@KyleRayner12]

I didn't know it was a trilogy - I just played the first one over and over.

[@Lexicon8623]

I hope they update the text within the English ttyd remake as trans individuals are more accepted nowadays than back when ttyd was initially released

[@abrahamlupis9354]

tall order, if Fire Emblem, Xenoblade and Mother are censored, this too, Vivian girl overseas

[@jonaszprzybycien6545]

They did it

[@richardnoggin1526]

"I'm not their brother, I'm their sister." Don't get more blunt then that.

[@promeneuzivotu117]

This comment aged like fine wine.

[@Splashzone263]

So as someone who recently learned of there true selves and learned that i was a girl I have always felt close to a character like Vivian, heck i even named myself after her due to keeping myself in the closet, and since i have left it i have been getting so much support from my closest friends, they even helped me with my name before i came out, and honestly with Vivian’s story i hope they keep the trans themes cause it could help so many who don’t know or are in the closet

[@i_look_just_like_buddy_holly]

i love trans ppl and am a part of the lgbtq+ myself but transphobia in games is always funny to me in a way

[@DaniDoyle]

i love ttyd and i love vivian

[@ItsSoVero]

So glad to finally see my namesake and her journey get their due. I'm pretty irritated that the English localization censors her identity; having played the game as a kid, I've been wondering lately how much sooner I might have figured myself out had they been more explicit with her trans identity, had I just been *allowed* to know that trans people exist and that it's okay to seek equilibrium with your identity and presentation. This is why representation is so important for us queer folk and minorities in general. If Vivian is allowed to be trans in all regions for the upcoming remake, it would be a nice win for the trans community and extremely meaningful to me personally; here's hoping Nintendo doesn't take the cowardly route they did in 2004. Excellent video!

[@abrahamlupis9354]

Nintendo will keep Vivian as a full girl

[@bjgray7954]

Considering the fact it sold best in the west, where there’s no ambiguity and she’s just a girl, they’ll stick with that

[@weatherman1504]

@@abrahamlupis9354 Oh, buddy 'o pal-o-mine, the remake has been retranslated to be more faithful. Trans Vivian is back!

[@abrahamlupis9354]

@@weatherman1504 but no tubby or hottie & baby, at the end Nintendo changed one censorship for another

[@weatherman1504]

@@abrahamlupis9354 Why are you so up in arms against trans characters existing? Like, Vivian fits all of the "criteria" that your lot usually have (i.e. an original non-western character who is trans in the original translation, has a good story, isn't "pushing it in our face", etc.). All you're doing is convincing me that it isn't possible for your lot to ever accept a trans character, because even when a trans character gets everything "right" (which is already a tall bargain as I described), you will STILL find reasons to hate them.

[@CuriumZombie]

Vivían is my favorite character in paper Mario thousand year door, partially because she’s trans like me but also her writing is really good and how she’s changes through the game

[@kozu44]

Insanely good video

[@tigerbear5845]

3:22 Please don’t quote me on this because it is based on memory, but this could also just be, you know, just poor understanding of trans terminology back in those days where whoever wrote the card conflated like trans women and cross-dressers? That’s my guess anyway; I heard that apparently those things were more conflated back then in Japan, but please don’t quote me on it. This is based on memory, and I could be very, very wrong. Anyway, it's a shame that Vivian's transness is not as clear in the English translation, but it's still neat, at least. (Remember a similar thing with like one of the Pokémon games where one of the characters is heavily implied to be trans in the Japanese version. I think the English dialogue still implies this though, but its just more open to interpretation.)

[@shadisnotamused]

I agree, there's even confusion NOW regarding the two so it's totally understandable that there would be mistakes early on

[@dinosaurusrex1482]

There is also a third reason for femboy moniker, that being that Japanese does not have distinct words for 'crossdresser' and 'transgender.'

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

I mean, it does but not everyone knows or uses them and there is a lot of inherent vagueness in the language in which a lot of people aren't going to care about the exact psychological details, just that "this person is feminine/looks like a woman without being biologically female" and that's enough for them.

[@danielhonradomoreno369]

3:20 I didn't expect this lol-

[@JatuliaButeo-rp6hv]

I discovered Vivian today and being a trans girl myself l feel reassurce because of her existence 💜

[@lemon-with-microplastic]

KINDA OFF TOPIC BUT ARCITC MONKEYS AND MIRACLE MUSICAL MENTIONED ❤

[@eesedesesesrdtsuperjoshuab7907]

I always liked Vivian but even moreso when I realised I was trans

[@kap1618]

I wanted to add this, but while the first 3 paper mario games have the same director, they don't have the same writers. Hironobu Suzuki and Misao Fukuda. The cameo card's accuracy is suspect at best.

[@jonaszprzybycien6545]

Great point 👍

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

Oh yeah there's one thing a lot of people also forget: video games aren't written all by the same person necessarily. Encyclopedia entries and other ancillary dialogue should not take precedence over main story dialogue.

[@disky1784]

Winning

[@meep6238]

Anyone else not really like the ending of Vivian’s story? I feel like it was rushed and not well thought out. They had her go back to live with her sisters why? Just because they’re family?? I feel like it kinda perpetuates the idea that victims have to stay with abusive family simply because they’re family so it kinda rubs me the wrong way. I feel like anything else would’ve been better, but idk I’m interested to hear what other people think about it.

[@LuxyHugs]

While I agree to an extent, beldam is heavily implied to have made amends with her after the influence of the shadow queen was destroyed

[@abrahamlupis9354]

Vivian forgave them, simple as that

[@Loner098]

Along with the ridiculous Grodus reveal, what also didn't sit right with me about the epilogue was Beldam suddenly becoming a good person just because the Shadow Queen was destroyed when resurrecting the Shadow Queen was Beldam's master plan from the very beginning. Unless they were implying that she was being influenced or mind-controlled in some fashion, they should've done a better job at explaining it. Otherwise, it just comes across as bizarre at best and mind-fumblingly dumb at worst because you have to remember that Beldam had still verbally abused and tormented Vivian, that you seriously trust she'll never do anything to Vivian again? If you ask me, having a family abuse victim join back with their abusers... doesn't feel like a good lesson to teach to children, especially children who are victims of abuse (maybe even by their own family members) like Vivian. Like Beldam, Marilyn, and Doopliss, pretty much get away with no consequences for their actions. So, instead, what I would like to do is have Goombella tell Mario that Vivian has been trying to socialize with more people now (her being a transgender female could also work well, too) and also have Vivian helping out others who feel like they're unwanted. As for Beldam and Marilyn, why not have a post-game side quest where you choose to help them seek redemption when they (mostly Beldam) feel like there's nothing left for them in the world now that they're plan has failed? Maybe it could even involve the Palace of Shadow again where they even talk about their own lives as well and you could help them see that there's more to a world than just following orders and/or taking it over. Actually, they should be punished for their crimes somehow. I know they probably don't deserve to be redeemed, and it's pretty cheesy, too, but, honestly, anything could've worked better than that part of the epilogue we got in the base game. If anything, it's a dangerous message to say that it's okay for abuse victims to join back with their former abusers. It's like the game is saying that abuse can be completely disregarded as long as they're family. And this wasn't even Nintendo's first time pushing an awful message in their games, just look Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon and Pokemon Scarlet & Violet. It's also very contradictory to Vivian's character arc in Chapter 4, as she states herself that she is not planning on going back to her family.

[@dustymcwari4468]

​@@Loner098sounds like something the remake can fix

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@Loner098 Yeah, that epilogue was rushed as heck. You could find any number of explanations but I can't blame people for feeling kinda robbed, I was also pretty miffed.

[@supleh5937]

My headcanon:mario breaks up with peach and gets with vivian. And peach gets with tec.

[@124starkiller]

Vivian is the best especially damage n fire damage

[@jeremyp3116]

Trilogy?? How old is this video??

[@LuxyHugs]

What are you talking about? It's been 16 years since the last paper mario, hopefully they don't make the next entry about stickers or something

[@jeremyp3116]

@@LuxyHugs you trolling? Origami king just came out in 2020! It’s the 6th game in the series

[@LuxyHugs]

@@jeremyp3116 I'm not trolling, I am purposefully in denial about it

[@jonaszprzybycien6545]

@@LuxyHugs I love every PM game. I'm sick of older fans shitting on Sticker Stars/Color Splash/Origami King.

[@tranquility6789]

win

[@Daelyah]

I keep getting hit with transphobic ads when I attempt to watch this. Reported the ads and cussed YT out, I am so DONE. 🤬😤 ...sorry, I am just extremely tired of those ads actively attacking places that are meant to be trans accepting spaces.

[@tigerbear5845]

Yeah, don't know what to say except that sucks and seems to be the transphobes MO or something. Apparently, there's some complected way for the uploader to block these ads using their Google adsense account. (one of the Council of Geek's videos explains this, but it's kind of obscure, which is why not many folks use it.) I personally just use an adblocker though. Cant get transphobic ads if you never get ads to begin with. (there are ways around YT's anti-adblocker system. I use ublock on Firefox, and after some hassle/following a guide on the ublock origin Reddit, I was able to get around that stupid pop-up.) Still sucks how searching on YT has a hard time distinguishing between trans-positive and transphobic content, though.

[@swishfish8858]

​@@tigerbear5845I'm convinced that the higher-ups at KZbin are just as anti-trans as everyone that wants us all dead.

[@lemonmeat]

yeah its so weird how i only ever see those ads on TRANS ACCEPTING SPACES, same with homophobic ones popping up a lot of lgbtq channels/video topics. thats been an issue for YEARSSSSS and it still hasnt been fixed?? i guess its because: "ad = trans words mentioned + video = trans words mentioned that must mean theyre both about the same thing!!!" cmon youtube..

[@tigerbear5845]

@@lemonmeatI think another problem is that transphobes try to tag their ads with similar tags for trans-accepting videos. Basically, "someone might see the trans accepting video and be drawn towards being an ally, so the transphobes put a transphobic ad first, hoping to sway them away.) Remember that apparently, Scientology did a similar thing on anti-Scientology videos/videos from ex-Scientologists.

[@corbettbalcaitis]

I am early to a release?

[@peaman3905]

The fact to you refer the series as a trilogy cracks me up. As someone who actually enjoyed Origami King, enough to warrant several playthroughs at least, I do find it a little insulting. But fantastic video nonetheless, good work!

[@Luizz07]

poggies

[@Thecoolguy643]

„Paper mario trilogy“ wtf??

[@LuxyHugs]

I do not respect sticker star

[@Thecoolguy643]

@@LuxyHugs color splash and origami king exist

[@abrahamlupis9354]

one shouldn't think Japan as a good source of representation for homosexuality and crossdressing

[@heyyodude8637]

Who said anything about cross dressing in this video?

[@abrahamlupis9354]

@@heyyodude8637 I mean the japanese media with the jokes where the men discover that the girl has a nice stick or that the "boy" is really a hot girl that manages to hide her big bust and Emporio Ivankov

[@Xenomnipotent]

@@abrahamlupis9354sure, but how is crossdressing at all relevant to Vivian?

[@shahgyy]

The original JP game says that vivian is a boy who looks like a girl but is really a boy. Pretty vauge in my opinion

[@Americanbadashh]

No it doesn't. It says she's a girl

[@Alice-May]

No, she says she's a girl. You are just outright lying, what is wrong with you?

[@Perfect_Dark_77]

You know it’s a bad video when the dude has a furry picture 🤦‍♀️

[@AverageCanadianStinky]

no thanks, i'll just play original english version.

[@bootleg7870]

so? she still would be a trans woman

[@jonaszprzybycien6545]

Beldam speech bubble

[@GDRhythmic]

It's not really the original. That would be the Japanese version in which she is trans. The English version CHANGED the original story to remove any mention of her being trans. If you refuse to believe that the Japanese version states that, you are lying to yourself.

[@Ant_Splat7125]

So who’s gonna tell him….

[@GDRhythmic]

@@Ant_Splat7125 me :3

[@marioolivo8188]

Daaaaaaaamn i didn't realized this as a kid