Vivo X200 Pro vs $3000 Dollar Camera Comparison! Processing vs Hardware!

[@Anjula321]

I think a comparison with a point and shoot like a Sony RX100 VII would be really interesting!

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Maybe someday 😅

[@diggy8325]

I can't confirm that, I have the s21 Ultra and also the RX100 MK7 and print a lot of calendar images and the quality of the RX is a lot better, only low light photos are no good for either :P

[@bastian.michel]

​@@clissonplagenooo... The S21 was not better at all. Simply not true. Maybe in low light because the VII has a fairly slow aperture. But outdoor, the S21U has no chance.

[@peteT269]

@@clissonplage Nope, not my experience at all comparing the MK VI with various high end smartphone cameras. Maybe with the primary camera it's comparable, but the other cameras suffer massively.

[@kaiserfakinaway5909]

@@clissonplage well if you're talking about HDR then yeah, the S21 Ultra is going to be better. But if you're going to be talking about zoom range consistency and the retention of the natural details/noise and stuff then the RX100 is gonna win without a doubt. Use the S21 Ultra in Pro Mode and then compare.

[@DanielPeter_records]

Vivo is the peak of phone photography in my opinion, but again in an age of stagnation where every company is making the same phone vivo delivered a phone that is beyond our imagination I have seen a comparison between vivox100 ultra and vivo x200pro and the 1inch sensor isn't just a spec it shows you the very big difference between them I'll try to link the comparison to see it yourself and hopefully you make the same one

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Phones like the Vivo are really good for close to mid range shots. They have trouble competing on wider more dynamic landscape shots or far distance. That said i think we are at a point where phones can replace cameras even for camera enthusiasts. And if people dont agree within the next 2-5 years this conversation will get even closer. Its inevitable. To be honest its just so hard to justify a camera purchase these days. Sure you can get better shots but it takes a lot more effort , time, money (generally thousands extra) and you have to deliberately think to bring the camera out. The phone is with you all the time regardless cause that's our modern world.

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

I am not sure if we will get there because we still have the natural limitations of size. The larger sensor size not only of course helps with low light, but the bigger thing for me is the depth it gives, like you see things more in the foreground being blurred where with the vivo it is naturally in focus basically. That allows for instance shots in the forest to have a better point of focus compared to a phone.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

@ThroughJermainesLens it'll get there, size limitations are a bit overblown. The chips and sensors will be good enough with proper processing

[@joelconolly5574]

Hard to justify at similar price, but better to get at higher price. Camera still offer better performance as it has far better sensor, can reach further with better lenses. As good as smartphones are, nothing can beat physics. We won't have beyond 1 inch smartphones anytime soon.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

@joelconolly5574 if you work as a photographer sure but for most people even enthusiasts who will just post on socials (honestly even plenty of paid work use only socials as a medium) then you can very easily get away with a smartphone. A camera is a big investment and getting those wow shots/clips generally takes a lot of time and editing. It's not only because of the sensor physics.

[@JohnDir-xw3hf]

Camera is much better, especially good optics with character. It's more convenient to hold and operate.

[@deepak1987]

It seems like most of the differences were due to the processing. Phone cameras from Xiaomi, Vivo, even Google, have a ton of sharpening and denoising, and HDR algorithms which change the colours and the whole feel sometimes. I think you could try GCam on Vivo X200Pro with a good library and xml. You might be surprised how much better the organic feel might be from the phone cam itself. There is a tg group dedicated for that. Basically to give you an idea, GCam output would be similar to you taking a RAW file and working on it yourself, but GCam would give you that in a few seconds. I think it would be great if you could compare the RAW files from the cam vs X200p. That way it would be apples to apples and we'd know the pure and real difference between the two.

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

I am reallllllyyyy not a fan of gcam

[@deepak1987]

@@ThroughJermainesLens Alright np! But the RAW comparison would be very interesting, esp. using the high res 50mp RAWs you get on the X200p.

[@zizimai7568]

I have Gcam on my Xiaomi 14U. Still prefer the stock cam 8 out of 10 shots vs Gcam. At first I thought the Gcam will be great but after testing it, photos dont look much better. The color science is different that's about it. And the color science is not necessary near original color either. To make things worst, the Gcam library is tweaked by many so much so everyone's Gcam gave different results.

[@burlistradjinski7668]

@@ThroughJermainesLens Can you elaboreate on this, please!

[@viktorbaresic4180]

And actually the best results will be with something that can use RAW_SENSOR and with dcg mods

[@amier909]

Looking at the results of this comparison made me realize that even with the difference in quality being bigger than i thought it actually made me appreciate vivo's phone camera even more. And also the diiference could be closer if you compare the main/native focal lengths of vivo's cameras (1x 24mm, 3.7x 85mm) to the same focal lengths with the canon so the vivo would not have to crop or upscale zoomed photos

[@hanijawad7804]

People doesn’t understand that’s a smartphone can give you this quality it is awesome and fun .. thanks for the video you are the man

[@TheChazas]

Would love to see RAW vs RAW comparison.

[@deepak1987]

Yea that would be the real test. A great idea! That way the phone processing would not be in the way.

[@borshisme]

Especially high-resolution RAW

[@prophane-hr5um]

In that case, it pains me to say it, but the Vivo would be completely crushed. Vivo has one of the best post-processing AI, but it also relies heavily on it. By switching to pro mode, AI and post-processing will not take effect, I have a 200 pro and the result is pitiful. That's why I prefer my Xiaomi 14 Ultra, I only shoot in pro mode, It is capable of delivering perfect quality results without relying on AI and preserves all the details, all thanks to its sensor and the way it is integrated into the device.

[@viktorbaresic4180]

Yes they would actually need to use dual conversion gain

[@TheChazas]

@@viktorbaresic4180 Vivo had dual conversion gain aka dual exposure since X80 Pro with their custom GNV sensor.

[@rdmz135]

Output from the 1 inch sensor on the X100 Ultra looks more camera like tbh

[@RockstarRomania]

It's definitely some exciting times when smartphone cameras come to challenge mirrorless APS-C and Full Frame cameras. The quality and of course the versatility may not be matched, but when you think that power is in your pocket at all time, it's so amazing.

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

there is a rumor that Xiaomi will do it for the 16 Ultra, but we shall see! That would be damn amazing!

[@RockstarRomania]

@ThroughJermainesLens to be fair, fitting a MFT sensor like I've heard for some time on a phone is one giant task.

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

@RockstarRomania ooohh 100000000%!!!

[@timothymatthews6458]

@@ThroughJermainesLens What are the rumors?

[@timothymatthews6458]

@@RockstarRomania I don't think there is one particular phone brand that is rumored to be working on fitting a MFT sensor in their phones. Is Xiaomi working on it in the 16 Ultra?

[@SD_1212-k1d]

The purpose of the mobile camera is not to use it for professional photography videography instead to capture those memories memorable moments which later can be watched or shared with friends and relatives.hoeehowever I like the comparison

[@jermaineplapp1985]

It is the Smartphone for me....i have it in every Situation in my pocket ....unlike my camera. But for me this is one of the factors , if i buy a phone....dit it have a good camera and good battery Life .... Nice Video man..👍

[@alxdava2004]

Maaaan, you know your staff! Nice! As always, excellent work!

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Thank you!

[@bastian.michel]

Loved this video. I always wonder why almost never in comparisson videos somebody add a "real" camera for reference. Like a cheap APS-C or even mFT. That would people would know hiw far away mobile photography is still away. I would love to replace my camera gear with a phone, but we are not there yet. Maybe another 5 years.

[@DaveAlex2507]

Este canal merece ser más grande y reconocido.👊

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Thank you!! Hopefully someday!!

[@ekspert081]

You can do a lot with the phone; you can stitch together ten or more photos of a scene (Lightroom panorama) and make a higher-resolution photo. Also, there are many more techniques you can use to get really high-quality photos; you just need to explore. And you will be surprised.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

@@ekspert081 yup that's the thing on auto mode I feel a phone delivers better shots but with a camera you really need to use manual mode and editing. Which you can also do with a phone.

[@bananawarlock3981]

I have nothing but respect for competent, dedicated mirrorless or otherwise cameras, but I'm sorry to say I simply prefer the looks of a natural looking, maybe softly processed phone camera result.

[@utkarshgupta2943]

DSLR will always be king for potraits but HDR and other software magic makes phone good in other situations

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Very true :)

[@freekakker574]

Amazing shots, interesting idea!

[@zharul8716]

I think a full frame camera is too unfair for tiny sensor on a smartphone. Fairer comparison should be with APSC sensor or point and shoot camera. And, the comparison should be made at its native focal length of the phone as digital zoom degrades quality. While cameras with proper lenses will always be at their natives focal length. Although I would like to see Vivo's 10x digital 230 mm stacked against the proper lens with APSC camera body as 10x on Vivo is still pretty good. Alien technologies channel has shown that X100 ultra can hold their own against APSC mirrorless camera, ZVe10 in terms of details but still lose in terms of depth of field.

[@lewiskariukimunene]

Excellent stuff I don't know much about cameras but my next phone will likely be vivo Currently using Mi 11 Ultra

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Vivo is a phone you can easily rely on honestly

[@fully-4-given]

Would have been more interesting if you had chosen a DSLR of similar price point as the Vivo x200pro.

[@warmoaran3]

@@fully-4-given same ordeal, big DOF, just a APS-C sensor and some slower shooting

[@IvoNikolov333]

Exactly as Expected As Good as the Camera on the Phone is it is an Add on Feature while The Cannon is Just A Camera and Everything Gravitates around that Fact

[@arakainer]

Great comparison 👍 I appreciate your ideas

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Thank you :)

[@edowijaya8603]

Clog2 still bad dynamic range ?

[@Gabilleta]

I think a dedicated camera is always going to win simply because it's a specialized tool. A smartphone, regardless of how good it is, it'll always trail behind a dedicated camera. It's physics. But should that be the end of the conversation? Absolutely not! Smartphone cameras have gotten so good, that for the most part, they have replaced the point and shoot cameras. As long as you understand the limitations, you can do wonders with current smartphone cameras.

[@catalin9174]

Nah, nowadays professional cameras are worth only if you are using them for professional cases ( wedding / wildlife etc ). If you are jost a hobby-ist photographer, the phone will get you similar results. I used to carry my big dslr everywhere, now it just collects dust because my vivo is capable enough for most stuff i need. And in some cases the vivo just smashes the dslr because of the post processing. I simply don't have anymore the pacience to shoot raw and to edit them. I can do that, but why should i?

[@warmoaran3]

@catalin9174 because the results when YOU process them will look better, and will contain more detail and information from a lousy phone JPG. Plus, you have more, real, DOF on a DSLR/Mirrorless, better ISO performance, more compositions, and more natural looking pics (yes, your ultra HDR vibrant pics aren't natural)

[@catalin9174]

@warmoaran3 judging by your " lousy phone " you are just a boomer still stuck 10 years ago in the purist narrow photographer mindset. I have them both and i can tell you the phone is superior in most scenarios compared to my 80D. Only Raw on tripod, the 80d has a chance.

[@warmoaran3]

@@catalin9174 my compact cameras from a decade ago make easy work of my 2023 High end phone. I'm not sure what you're seeing in your phone. My Sony flagship just has cool features, but nothing useful. Meanwhile my old compacts have a useful zoom lens, good sensitivity and good detail. I only prefer real cameras because phones are stuck in the megapixel race phase, where they all compete in trying to get the biggest numbers instead of actual quality in them small sensors, which is what camera makers were doing in the 2000s with their megapixels race, trying to get to a good resolution, and not 50mp or 200mp in a tiny sensor, which btw, makes for incredibly noisy pics at base ISO 😂

[@dimadima9693]

I think that a large sensor does not automatically mean that it is better. First of all, a sensor is a technological topology by which it is made. For example, if you have a camera from the 2000s with a full-frame CCD matrix, then it is unlikely to compare with a smaller, but more modern ISOCELL hp9 in which the photodeodes are separated from each other by walls and other innovations

[@UpgradeLemonade]

@@dimadima9693 correct, large sensors isn't the only thing that matters. Also raw editing is really where you get wow shots which you can do with a smartphone too

[@warmoaran3]

@@UpgradeLemonade but you can get even better results from camera RAWs, as phone .DNGs aren't as powerful as something like Canon's .CR3, or Fujifilm .RAF

[@hectoraguilar888]

Vivo x100 Ultra received a super update in cameras in test update, when it arrives you can inform 😊

[@corypersson5698]

You seemed to be changing settings on your R8 to find the best shot but you just point and shoot with the Vivo. Your comparison would have been more interesting and accurate using the phone camera to it's fullest by shooting in Pro Mode or comparing in Zeiss Natural etc. This was not one of your best comparisons.

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

@@corypersson5698 that's because with a camera and different zoom levels you will get a different aperture, the. You need to change your iso or shutter speed to match the lesser light coming in. That's why I made the comment a phone is simpler.

[@corypersson5698]

@ThroughJermainesLens I understand aperture, ISO, shutter speed etc...my point was even though the Vivo is a phone you only used point and shoot settings which doesn't really give someone a true comparison as the R8 was used to its full potential but the Vivo was not. I really enjoy your channel but this comparison made the Vivo look really inferior without it being in a fair fight or at least using all its tools.

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

@@corypersson5698 but that isn't the case. You can even see me using Pro mode in the POV settings. beginning fog shots (no road) all manual. The shot of the road with fog using auto. And then the fog shots in the forest manual. Beach on france auto.

[@corypersson5698]

@ThroughJermainesLens I couldn't see the settings on the phone and assumed that you were just using point and shoot mode

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

@@corypersson5698 No I wasn't :) depended a bit on the scene because I wanted to also highlight the auto next to manual.

[@Fotos_cam]

Actually photography comparison is done in light as the photo means light.

[@erick-gd7wo]

I would rather say a smartphone cameras may replace point and shoot cameras with similar size photo sensor (1/2.3" size), but never a m4/3rd or even FF cameras. Its convenience for being mobile and small is similar to what a pocket cameras do. From the video, i see a quite alot of sharpening artifacts are seen come from VIvo X200 though the tele modul still produce an admirable result.

[@BlackParade01]

The Vivo is incredible hardware wise, but I don't like the color science a lot. I might be Xiaomi-biased, but I feel like Xiaomi does that better. The Vivo is too bright and lacks warm tones sometimes. Vivo would probably look incredible when shooting in RAW and editing it yourself.

[@svenmuchow-tiktokads]

My guess would be vivo and others will add customization for colors like in Xiaomi pro mode soon. To adjust warmth and more on top of sharpness sliders. Give it 2 years max

[@robwelsh5070]

Breathtaking pictures from a phone.

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

oh fully agreed

[@JorgeEdwin285]

es la verdad... por eso se sigue usando CAMARAS profesionales para el modelaje los deportes y muchas revistas.....

[@Thereallevan]

Great comparison, sensor too small of the Vivo but it's dong great without pixelpeeping

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

yeah just look at a full image and they will do reallllly well!

[@johnyjoseph1163]

Hey man really nice video, amazingly put together! I just need a favour from you again, I bought Xiaomi 13 pro after discussing with u over a comment on one of your videos. Now i want to upgrade, which phone would you recommend to buy? my taste is your taste in mobile photography. Xiaomi 14 ultra, new Samsung which I doubt, iphone which again is doubtful, oppo, vovo x200 pro or ultra. I am from india BTW

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

mmmmm Samsung no. What I would do is wait for a bit and see what the 15 series brings to the table. You do not need to go to the 14 ultra from the 13 pro honestly.

[@Moon-17128]

The 15Ultra, along with the global version of 15 (and maybe 15Pro) will be out Feb 2025, a xiaomi official announced it. The main thing about the 15U are the: 200MP periscope telephoto camera with a 10±cm focal length, an f/2.6, and 4.3x optical zoom 50MP Sony LYT-900 Main 50MP Samsung JN5 Ultra Wide 50MP Sony IMX858 telephoto (3x optical) New lens coating, better image processing through new software >6100mAh battery (exact capacity unknown)

[@johnyjoseph1163]

@@ThroughJermainesLens that.makes sense, thank you for the reply really appreciate it. U always make sure to answer the questions.

[@johnyjoseph1163]

@Moon-17128 thanks a lot mate that is a good information

[@Saurabh-dm6jl]

Better than 16 pro max and 24ultra??

[@priyamroy7387]

Lol apple and Samsung were never a match against Vivo x series

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

easily

[@theperfectionist4702]

Great Job!👏👏👏

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Thank you!

[@aumedn8198]

Is that better or iPhone 16 pro in photos?

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

yes, easily!

[@Moon-17128]

iPhones in this day and age is only better in videography than most chinese counterparts. 9/10 times in photography, the Chinese manufacturers do much better

[@michaelsmit7619]

Great video and i agree there the camera is better but to be honist i would never buy a camera that expencive😮😂 so phone just have to do it still cool to look at

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

hahahaha true you wouldn't. I think for you a Canon 250D would be perfectly fine for when your wife and kid go on a trip :)

[@JohnDir-xw3hf]

Get used camera.

[@marianoprofiti6768]

You have Global versión with Funtouch ir Chinese with Origin OS?

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Global ;)

[@catalin9174]

This phone is simply amazing.

[@vasilislenakakis1674]

Very nice!

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

thanks!!!

[@baliktanawtv5815]

Vivo is a great year 🎉

[@warmoaran3]

the limitations of a phone is the focal lengths, you only have primes, usually a 13mm, 24mm and a 120mm, but with a camera, you can have a zoom, and have the perfect focal length without losing quality. also, cameras give you WAY more manual control, especially colours. plus, the lenses are still very cheap. I daily drive old decade old bridge cameras, and they give phones a run for their money, let alone my APS-C EOS..

[@catalin9174]

Have you at least tried it ? Or just saying as a boomer photographer ? I have both the vivo and a canon 80d. You have preety much all the controls that you would need, except a variable physical aperture because on the phone is fixed.

[@warmoaran3]

@@catalin9174 I have a Sony Xperia 1 V, and a Canon DSLR, plus many compact cameras (bridge cameras, point and shoots) You do have control on many Androids, but the form factor doesn't feel like you do.. manual focus, changing lens, all done on a screen.. Also, a real camera feels more fun, no distractions, no having to hold a slippy rectangle with almost no buttons. Many prosumer bridge cameras have physical buttons to immediately set something like macro, or the flash, on a phone, its a phone, so its on a screen.. I know that's kinda unfair, but a phone should stay a phone and not an everything device (IMO) Also, just the lack of zoom, just primes (unless you have a Sony Xperia 1 III - 1 VI) in which case, you have a limited focal range with a HORRIBLE sensor (noisy at base ISO) The cameras I daily have 1/2.5" or 1/2.3" sensors, way smaller than a phone, but the cameras I daily take much nicer pics than my phone, because their pixel area is greater than 2μm, which is why IMO, phone cams suck, too many pixels, pixel area WAYY too tiny.

[@catalin9174]

@warmoaran3 I'm not bothering to read all that boomer photograper crap. Sony is bad, is by far one of the worst cameraphones i tested because the computation power on it is years behind phones like Vivo.

[@jooh2684]

Im planning to switch my R10 on an R8, and my Honor 6 Pro to X200 Pro. Hahhahahaa!

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

niceee :D

[@yeetiesandwheaties]

I would have enjoyed seeing more shots, and less vlog. Love your content, but there just aren't many compared shots here. Maybe cars in the streets. Maybe that windmill that you normally shoot. But there wasn't much to be able to pin down color differences etc. because the scenes are pretty unsaturated / duochromatic

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Fair ;) and didn't want to do a crazy long video comparison. This was never meant to be that kind of style.

[@jimmyfiredragon8582]

First ! 😅😎

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Yes haha

[@jimmyfiredragon8582]

@@ThroughJermainesLens 😅😉😆

[@hibrajanvillanueva8321]

No es tanta la diferencia

[@alikeche]

Vivo x200 pro x100 ultra still incredible camera ❤

[@simmysharma6845]

Interesting 😊

[@AlphaVisionPro]

Oppo X8 Ultra >

[@James-lu4en]

I use my Canon 6D and Sigma 12mm and iPhone 14 Pro in raw, for real estate. 90% time iPhone wins

[@justsomerandompeople4353]

cameras company these days missing their chances just look at this smartphone nowadays with the small camera sensor can catch up with big cameras while big cameras price their camera at crazy price but have the limitation or less features. if they improvise the point and shoot camera it will definitely crash the market as people go more into point and shoot just think about the possibility as the tech get advanced and smaller why not benefit from this?. just mark my words if big camera company take this step it will definitely make a trend out of it . i just hated camera company not following the technology as it advancing , smartphone have improve every year and new hardware and features? while cameras? only few

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

I don't know about that! So phones have physical size limitations, and unless there is a real way around that, which will mean artificial effect instead of natural look, I don't see a reason why photographers who want that better look with more details would stop buying from that market. The difference is substaintial

[@___David__]

As far as I'm concerned, the phones lost the "ease of use" and "portability" argument the moment they all became oversized dinner trays. Current phones are so huge and horrible to carry around that they simply just aren't that much better than a DSLR. Yes, the DSLR requires me to carry a bag pack. But so would these giant slabs 'cause they don't fit in a suit's pockets properly anymore. And considering how bad they also became as phones - without a ton of basic functionality - that argument simply doesn't work for me anymore. I used to love mobile photography, but to me it died the moment screens went above 6" and phones lost basic functionality (which is also why my mobile photography Instagram died...that and Facebook ruined the platform).

[@UpgradeLemonade]

But you essentially need to carry a phone at all times anyway, a camera is a +1 that you have to account for and think about each time. Doesn't matter if phones are over 6 inches it's still miles smaller than a camera with extra lens/battery and you need a phone in the modern world regardless

[@alfredoleal3956]

MEXICO

[@TasbirislamShaddin]

❤❤❤

[@no.way.out_]

i usually dont comment negative things and keep it to myself but your content is extremely lazy and makes no sense. the shots you take are literraly garbage that can't possibly show any real difference between whatever two devices that you are comparing under these circumstances. maybe stop going into misty woods for one and shoot actual subjects.

[@llpapisll]

X100 pro please