Was Sherman a WAR CRIMINAL?

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@darknite8483
@darknite8483 3 жыл бұрын
After the war Sherman had a fairly well-known policy of giving money to veterans that came to his house at any time especially any soldiers who had served under him.
@archivesoffantasy5560
@archivesoffantasy5560 3 жыл бұрын
That is similar to the duke of Wellington and his peninsular war/Waterloo veterans
@JM-nt5ex
@JM-nt5ex 3 жыл бұрын
He also had a policy of destroying native American society in the West
@tsdobbi
@tsdobbi 3 жыл бұрын
@@JM-nt5ex Is that you, Johnny Reb?
@andywomack3414
@andywomack3414 3 жыл бұрын
@@JM-nt5ex He was acting the will of the People of the United States. That was not "his" policy. These were wars and he was a warrior, no matter how unjust we may view those actions now.
@JM-nt5ex
@JM-nt5ex 3 жыл бұрын
@@andywomack3414 Genocide and murder of natives doesn’t get a pass because he was following orders
@blitzme99
@blitzme99 3 жыл бұрын
Sherman's mission was to break the fighting sprit of rebels. My family is listed in the confederate army as deserters, along with a large chunk of the rest of them. Why? Because they went back home to check on their wife and kids. Mission accomplished Sherman.
@hodgepodge5901
@hodgepodge5901 3 жыл бұрын
Sherman's effectiveness is irrelevant to whether he committed war crimes or not.
@blitzme99
@blitzme99 3 жыл бұрын
@@hodgepodge5901 IF Sherman was a war criminal then so is every single modern day general who has adopted his tactics. "It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it." Robert E. Lee
@blitzme99
@blitzme99 3 жыл бұрын
@@hodgepodge5901 but yes. on the surface I agree with your premise. effectiveness does not excuse war crimes.
@elvisperez9960
@elvisperez9960 3 жыл бұрын
Well, fighting to keep the slavery system is a crime by itself, would you agree?
@clevernamegotban1752
@clevernamegotban1752 3 жыл бұрын
@@hodgepodge5901 the only thing that sherman did wrong was that he stopped.
@AceDupuy
@AceDupuy 3 жыл бұрын
As a rural southerner myself I did appreciate the jab at his own fanbase.
@EvanONS1
@EvanONS1 3 жыл бұрын
Same!
@otarev
@otarev 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@RelatedGoat
@RelatedGoat 3 жыл бұрын
I am in the deep south. I barely see any neo-confederates. Just a thought
@otarev
@otarev 3 жыл бұрын
@@RelatedGoat most I see are some guys that are more into the idea of being a rebel rather than anything that has to do with the confederacy.
@RelatedGoat
@RelatedGoat 3 жыл бұрын
@@otarev same. Only Neo-Confederates I seen were pictures of that one guy with the Confederate flag in the capitol on January 6th. What are we gonna call that day by the way?
@icarian553
@icarian553 3 жыл бұрын
What people should understand about Checkmate Linconites -series is that Atun-Shei is answering to common myths and youtube comments. That's why many arguments have a youtube comment attached to it and you can read it at the bottom. That's also why some arguments have dubious historical merit or are very oversimplified etc. That's also why there is some of these weird sketches in the middle like the conferedate soldier talking to his phone and not listening counter arguments, that's KZbin comment section in a nutshell. Other thing about total war. Term itself is pretty new but the concept isn't. Sherman wasn't ahead of his time. Mongols are probably the most famous of doing total war. Atun-Shei mentioned the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Mongols did things like that too.. without any A-bombs. You didn't want to piss off Mongols.
@dragonfire7354
@dragonfire7354 3 жыл бұрын
Hell it goes back further then the mongals. Look at Alexander The Great for example, and the battle of thebes.
@MollymaukT
@MollymaukT 3 жыл бұрын
Like what Alexander and the Mongols did wasn't exaaaactly Total War. Like the idea behind TW is destruction of non-military assets because they're essential to the opponents war effort and so undermine them. Alexander pretty much destroyed Thebes as punishment for not submitting to him (partially because he was a massive egomaniac too) and had no real strategic importance (if anything it bit his ass down the line as the other Greek States hated him even more) and what the Mongols did was more akin to Terror-tactics. As they gave their opponents a chance to surrender and if they didn't *then* they gave no-quarter, so that when word got out about it all the enemies they faced next would surrender.
@nukclear2741
@nukclear2741 3 жыл бұрын
@@MollymaukT every time total war is mentioned I get a flashback to the militia hoplite units. They would never die.
@clevernamegotban1752
@clevernamegotban1752 3 жыл бұрын
Earliest total war was probably the Russians scorched earth policy when they were retreating from napoleon, they burned crops, villages, anything that could've been of use to the French armies.
@dragonfire7354
@dragonfire7354 3 жыл бұрын
@@clevernamegotban1752 Didn't they do that to Charles the 12th first in the Great Northern War?
@rikkilleen3169
@rikkilleen3169 3 жыл бұрын
25:50 military life does bring out things in people. I was a Medic for 15 of my 20 years in the Army. As a Medic, I absolutely loved the fact we would receive a casualty and begin working as a team assessing and applying interventions, controlling the head and airway, prepping supplies, acting as scribe, or overseeing the whole process. It's a rush of pride and skill. Until you remember that is probably your friend suffering and dying under your hands.
@Faus4us_Official
@Faus4us_Official 11 ай бұрын
68W?
@rikkilleen3169
@rikkilleen3169 11 ай бұрын
@@Faus4us_Official Yep
@Faus4us_Official
@Faus4us_Official 11 ай бұрын
@@rikkilleen3169 Me too! I miss it at times.
@charlesreid9337
@charlesreid9337 7 ай бұрын
Something that should make every medic you ever served proud. You are the only people on any battlefield ever deeply respected by not only everyone in your military but by the people and conflict with it at the civilians on both sides Also I would bet that you universally become adrenaline junkies. I imagine coming back from trying to save lives in combat.. to working in an emergency room with people coming in because they had a bad cold or cut their finger
@mavrikgr
@mavrikgr 3 жыл бұрын
It seems when the confederate character says crazier, more emotional and reactionary things, the creator is quoting tweets he receives from people he argues with. You’re doing a great job. Love both of these channels
@GaaradancepartyX
@GaaradancepartyX 3 жыл бұрын
They are comments on his own videos, the whole checkmate lincolnites series is him responding to lost causer's comments
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 3 жыл бұрын
@@GaaradancepartyX Yeah whenever those text-boxes pop up he's reading something that someone literally wrote on his comments section.
@bigrigjoe5130
@bigrigjoe5130 3 жыл бұрын
@@SRosenberg203 Yeah, he does it so people can't accuse him of strawmanning They can accuse him of Cherry Picking. But he's (very rarely) putting any words into lost causers mouths they're actually saying this insane shit.
@klrowdean
@klrowdean 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigrigjoe5130 As clear as Atun Shei is that he does this, I am starting to wonder if some of the completely insane things are actually fans / "Union Gang" guys trying to think of the optimum insanity they could extract from the Johnny Reb character.
@11Survivor
@11Survivor 3 жыл бұрын
@@klrowdean Good content though
@trololopez2437
@trololopez2437 3 жыл бұрын
‘A war criminal? Debatable. A legend? Hell yes’ -My Russian friend from class, 2018
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 3 жыл бұрын
100% accurate
@felixgutierrez993
@felixgutierrez993 3 жыл бұрын
Very
@AmericanImperium1776
@AmericanImperium1776 3 жыл бұрын
😎👍
@felixgutierrez993
@felixgutierrez993 3 жыл бұрын
Very but also necessary Lao Tzu: War is a necessary evil. You've never seen a war that was nice and peaceful? Sherman made the war for Southerners look not worth it And like the vid said probably saved more then his man accidentally (or without his supervision) killed or raped 10's to maybe less then hundred of woman.
@dontknolaji
@dontknolaji 3 жыл бұрын
legendary
@HistorysRaven
@HistorysRaven 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing, as someone who lived in South Carolina, I blame General Sherman for is burning the Columbia, SC library. If you go and ask for any documents before Sherman's March, there's a good chance the librarian will say, "We don't have them. Sherman burnt them."
@twohorsesinamancostume7606
@twohorsesinamancostume7606 3 жыл бұрын
We still don't know who set those fires. There's reports of Confederate Calvary setting bales of cotton on fire on their way out of the city, so for all we know, that was the cause. The situation was just too chaotic to know who started it or to stop it.
@HistorysRaven
@HistorysRaven 3 жыл бұрын
@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 We don't know, but I say that in partial good humor. Do I actually blame Sherman for the burning of Columbia? Just as much as I would blame Confederates. It could be either/or. But it's nice to have a named person to blame when you can't do research on SC history prior to 1865 because the records are no longer available.
@MrShitthead
@MrShitthead 2 жыл бұрын
They just said in the video that Carolina was already on fire when they got there.
@nedmar423
@nedmar423 2 жыл бұрын
A bit of payback for South Carolina and Ft. Sumter. Those who owned and killed slaves during the war are those who should be considered war criminals.
@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight
@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight 2 жыл бұрын
Good 👍 response to those who owned slaves.
@generalfred9426
@generalfred9426 3 жыл бұрын
Legend has it that during WW2 Sherman tank crews reportedly had their tank turrets pointed to Georgia every morning.
@WaterVolt1917
@WaterVolt1917 3 жыл бұрын
And Lee tank crews had them pointed towards Maryland...
@oklanime
@oklanime 3 жыл бұрын
@@WaterVolt1917 and Shermans were by far the more effective tanks.
@WaterVolt1917
@WaterVolt1917 3 жыл бұрын
@@oklanime Perhaps, but the Lees were far cheaper to build.
@julianpichardo5045
@julianpichardo5045 3 жыл бұрын
@@WaterVolt1917 cheaper to build but easier to destroy and used even less a year after they were lend leased but both tanks did their jobs well
@WaterVolt1917
@WaterVolt1917 3 жыл бұрын
@@julianpichardo5045 Yeah, the Lee was a better light tank used for scouting and sometimes anti-infantry, and the Sherman was a much better medium tank used to cover infantry, but neither of them could stand a chance against a tiger ☠.
@zeroburn315
@zeroburn315 3 жыл бұрын
Any time they have a box with text in it, it's an actual comment posted on one of their videos, and they like to bring out the more... interesting ones near the end as a joke.
@andrewhussey4538
@andrewhussey4538 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that last one was...interesting lol, when I saw that originally I was in hysterics
@y2j1490yahoo
@y2j1490yahoo 3 жыл бұрын
No shit , thanks for clearing that up.
@pcb462
@pcb462 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I enjoy both of y’all’s content. I’m born and raised in Mississippi. I’ve found the vast majority of people here believe to some degree or another that the South was wronged but at the same time can’t even give you the dates of the war....much less any well thought out reason for their position. American History is not treated as critically as it should be in school.
@navajoguy8102
@navajoguy8102 3 жыл бұрын
I remember Sherman was summarized in my generic history classes in school primarily his March to Sea campaign. Then I learned more about him during my own studying about the "Long Walk" which is what Navajos called the deportation of our people from their homelands that started during the tail end of the Civil War. Around 1867 or 68, he was part of some government delegation that was sent to Bosque Redondo in the New Mexico Territory. Somewheres between 8 to 10 thousand Navajos were sent there four years earlier. By the time Sherman was sent there thousands had died, and thousands were still dying. He tried to talk the survivors into going to Indian Territory (Oklahoma), but when the Navajo delegation insisted on returning to the Homelands he didn't deny them that. Reflecting that Ft Sumner was clearly a failure, his peers who were with him were more harsh comparing Ft Sumner to Andersonville. There is a story that some Navajos tell about how the imprisoned at Ft Sumner captured a coyote, a animal of significant spiritual status to Traditional beliefs. They tied a medicine bag to it and asked it to carry their prayers for help, the coyote was released. Not long after Sherman arrived in Ft Sumner and they believed that he was sent to help them. My respect for him grew immensely and he's one of my favorite US military figures to read about.
@hoolian1291
@hoolian1291 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing that!
@Gloopling
@Gloopling 3 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant. Thank you for sharing
@jamier65551
@jamier65551 3 жыл бұрын
Sherman still was a major instrument in breaking treaties and expanding the U.S further westward
@abdurrahmanqureshi3030
@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 3 жыл бұрын
You realize that Sherman killed many Native Americans right?
@ktheterkuceder6825
@ktheterkuceder6825 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamier65551 It was inevitable.
@slin2678
@slin2678 3 жыл бұрын
26:00 as a veteran, I can confirm that feeling. It's that fight or flight response, similar to sports today but more intense given it's actually life and death situation.
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you sharing that, and thank you for your service!
@AgrippaMaxentius
@AgrippaMaxentius 3 жыл бұрын
Atun-Shei is so incredibly talented, would love to see your take on his "King Phillips War" video, history I wasn't even aware of until he uploaded that video.
@srice8959
@srice8959 2 жыл бұрын
@sword-swinging cat He does do some really excellent work. I stumbled across his video about the history of New Orleans, and really loved it. As a New Orleans man myself it was so damn cool seeing a local KZbinr doing his thing!!!! Also besides the NOLA History video I REALLY like his skit he does with Outta Place Man I think it’s titled as. It’s the video where he’s an old Film Noir Gumshoe Detective
@familyfantasyfootballleagu7685
@familyfantasyfootballleagu7685 3 жыл бұрын
New fan! This stuff has been unbelievably educational and entertaining! Starting with the oversimplified serious and have just binged! Big new fan here!
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin. Glad you're here!
@gribwitch
@gribwitch 3 жыл бұрын
@@VloggingThroughHistory That mock southern accent and accompanying arrogantly racist attitude of Johnny Reb is gold ! Though the racism part is historically accurate.
@ComicalNinja
@ComicalNinja 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t usually comment on videos (cause I’m lazy) but honestly this is my FAVORITE channel on KZbin right now!
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@goddessoflesbians1153
@goddessoflesbians1153 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@goddessoflesbians1153
@goddessoflesbians1153 3 жыл бұрын
@@VloggingThroughHistory hey you interact with your fanbase
@lordbeerus7248
@lordbeerus7248 3 жыл бұрын
Hello from Montenegro! In our classes we just kind of skipped the history of The USA I used to think it was just plain but your channel has made me change my opinion im learning many things i never knew thanks to your channel
@shitoryu8
@shitoryu8 3 жыл бұрын
We may be who we are...good, bad, all over the place, but I assure you, our history is far from plain.
@LjuboCupic1912
@LjuboCupic1912 3 жыл бұрын
Eeej, dobar dan! 😄
@fasdaVT
@fasdaVT 2 жыл бұрын
Well you do have a lot to study in that part of history in Europe
@sageof6pandas233
@sageof6pandas233 Жыл бұрын
Can you teach me a bit about montenegro? I currently think it's plain history and would like to have my mind changed
@cameronspence4977
@cameronspence4977 5 күн бұрын
​@sageof6pandas233 the history of the balkans is particularly bloody and complicated, as a key bottleneck of travel between two larger geographic areas
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 3 жыл бұрын
Oh this is awesome, I love Atun-Shei Films, that channel is fucking excellent.
@chesterparish3794
@chesterparish3794 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@danielaramburo7648
@danielaramburo7648 3 жыл бұрын
He teaches history in a fun way.
@Dark_LoreVT
@Dark_LoreVT 3 жыл бұрын
I'm obsessed with the Harlan and Stanley's version of Marching Through Georgia because of Atun-Shei Films! Lol Now own 3 copies of it on 78!
@bobwhite8440
@bobwhite8440 3 жыл бұрын
He once said, "If I owned Hell and Texas, I live in Hell and rent out Texas".
@s.g.r.2773
@s.g.r.2773 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure General Sheridan said that.
@darthbigred22
@darthbigred22 3 жыл бұрын
@@s.g.r.2773 Texans say when God cast Satan from Heaven He offered Satan Hell or Texas and we know which one he chose.
@johanrunfeldt7174
@johanrunfeldt7174 3 жыл бұрын
@DANIEL BIN OMAR - Texas, especially southern Texas, in the summer becomes a damp, steaming hot, sauna-like environment. But while you can step out from the sauna after half an hour or so, the damp and hot conditins of the South Texas summer continues for months, and you're lucky if fall comes before Christmas. Southerrn California on the other hand, has the best climate in the world. No need for air-con in the summer and no need for a heater in the winter.
@cobraglatiator
@cobraglatiator 10 ай бұрын
@@johanrunfeldt7174 2 years late but i'd say there's definitely need for heater/AC in SoCal, maybe out in LA it isn't common to get to 100F during summer, or even 90, and i'm sure south texas' humidity makes their 80+ temps feel way worse, and are even more dangerous, but don't go thinking SoCal never gets above 80 or below 60. we absolutely do. ESPECIALLY out near death valley. that's basically pure desert and holds the records for hottest place in the continental US. ~person who's lived in SoCal for 25 of 25 years, and doesn't go outside much.
@johnmcmanus2447
@johnmcmanus2447 7 ай бұрын
​@cobraglatiator I can attest to that as well. Granted I don't live near Death Valley, but my area gets about 110 in the summer and 20s in the winter
@jackpates2940
@jackpates2940 3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame some people can't have a mature debate over history 🤷‍♀️
@nativemerc
@nativemerc 3 жыл бұрын
Feelings and bias come first. 🤦‍♂️
@jackpates2940
@jackpates2940 3 жыл бұрын
@@nativemerc idk man, just sucks that an adult conversation has to turn to insults because somebodys opinion or fact hurts their feelings. The world is becoming too soft and I do not like it lol
@yashjoseph3544
@yashjoseph3544 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackpates2940 The world has always been like this. We just didn't notice it, or it has been ignored.
@nativemerc
@nativemerc 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackpates2940 That’s just a weird part of reality that almost becomes normal. Not many people are born or taught how to think critically these days so it gives way to a lot of trivial bs.
@jackpates2940
@jackpates2940 3 жыл бұрын
@what so we're having a simple conversation and you tell someone to get a grip? You're literally proving our point, so for that I thank you :) God bless you sir.
@otakonjunkie
@otakonjunkie 3 жыл бұрын
When the little clips at the bottom are posted, he's dramatizing comments he has received. Like that complete insane bit at the end.
@Mattsta2010
@Mattsta2010 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm not sure he gets that. Thats some of the insane nonsense that both sides of the argument sent in to his comments section. I want more Atun-Shei Videos...Love his presentation and humour, very educational too.
@Shaun_Jones
@Shaun_Jones 8 ай бұрын
“I’m going to the one place that hasn’t been corrupted by Northern Aggression…SPACE!!!”
@mccabber24
@mccabber24 3 жыл бұрын
Yaaaas. I'm gonna enjoy this. My favorite reaction channel meets my favorite Civil War Channel
@felixgutierrez993
@felixgutierrez993 3 жыл бұрын
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@johnmurphy7250
@johnmurphy7250 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos they make me think. Then again I am a southerner. Total war is very brutal to everyone civilians and soldiers alike. Personally I am glad that the country stayed together . Atrocities were committed on both sides of the war not just the march to the sea but also andersonville
@johnmurphy7250
@johnmurphy7250 3 жыл бұрын
@@philmccracken7520 I know hope it never happens again
@23rdMS_Inf
@23rdMS_Inf 3 жыл бұрын
Me too. I'd rather us not be separated, but as a Southerner I do respect the fellow Southerners who fought for their home. War should've never happened.
@preserveourpbfs7128
@preserveourpbfs7128 3 жыл бұрын
@@23rdMS_Inf They fought to preserve the institution of slavery.
@NONO-oy1cu
@NONO-oy1cu 2 жыл бұрын
​​@@preserveourpbfs7128 That is certainly true they fought to preserve the slavery but maybe most of those boys fighting for their home did not think of fighting for slavery but for their home.
@marknewton6984
@marknewton6984 Жыл бұрын
Andersonville was only a prison the last 14 months of the war. Grant stopped prisoner swapping. Look it up.
@Arcdaemus
@Arcdaemus 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that you're reacting to this is crazy. I got suggested this exact video yesterday by my YT and binge watched this series. I also did not watch his Gods and Generals vid until today.
@generalsherman1213
@generalsherman1213 3 жыл бұрын
These accusations are preposterous, my goal was to destroy the enemy's morale and destroy anything that could benefit the enemy war effort. War is hell, and the worst the war is the quicker the enemy will surrender.
@rjtheripper931
@rjtheripper931 3 жыл бұрын
Total badass
@fatimazz
@fatimazz 3 жыл бұрын
Hey William. You mind coming to the White House with me and Grant?
@CalderTF2
@CalderTF2 3 жыл бұрын
@@fatimazz Hello there Mr. Lincoln I would highly recommend Ford's Theater as a great place to go watch plays when you have the time. Sincerely yours, Pootis
@obi-wankenobi1233
@obi-wankenobi1233 3 жыл бұрын
@@fatimazz Mister President, if you do heed the recommendation of the gentleman above me, BRING AT LEAST TWO GUARDS!
@obi-wankenobi1233
@obi-wankenobi1233 3 жыл бұрын
@@fatimazz There are spiteful people looking for your blood. In particular, an actor in D.C by the name of John Wilks Booth.
@matthewbrady3347
@matthewbrady3347 3 жыл бұрын
I love the story of voting to repeal secession by the union troops. In my head I'm picturing 30-40 drunk dudes from all over the union, signing a very hastily put together note stating that there was a unanimous vote to join the union and having it sent straight to Lincoln himself xD
@FlaviusBelisarius-ck6uv
@FlaviusBelisarius-ck6uv 7 ай бұрын
Considering that Sherman's army was made up of not only northern men but many southerners who'd remained loyal to the Union (southern unionists) as well as former confederates (AKA Galvanized Yankees) who'd become disillusioned with rebellion and had switched sides, I can totally see the soldiers making sure there was somebody from every state and territory so that the vote could be seen as somewhat valid. Also, defacing that statue must've been amusing.
@TheDarthbinky
@TheDarthbinky 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the "Johnny Reb" is a character and is usually quoting verbatim viewer comments from Atun-Shei's prior videos. You'll notice that what he says (especially when it's particularly nonsensical and/or ahistorical) is often accompanied by text on-screen (such as at 31:05 or 46:26). When this happens, he's directly quoting viewer comments from prior videos- misspellings, grammatical errors, and non-sequiturs included. It's almost always highly inaccurate Lost Cause BS, as you can see in this vid. In one of his more recent videos, he has Johnny Reb break the fourth wall and say something to the effect of "I'm a caricature, not a moron!"
@coldwar45
@coldwar45 3 жыл бұрын
It was actually the video that VTH is responding to where he has Johnny Reb break the fourth wall with the “I’m a cartoon character not a moron”
@toddmartinez2279
@toddmartinez2279 3 жыл бұрын
I would agree that when viewed in the lens of a declared war, Sherman's actions were justified and did lead to the quicker end of hostilities. He did not have his soldiers indiscriminately kill men, women and children, although there were certainly a number of incidents where these people lost their lives. I DO argue that he was guilty of CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY for his actions after the war as it related to the Indian populations that he massacred. Since Native Americans were not seen as members of the Union, such as civilian southerners were at the beginning of the war, he seemingly saw no reason not to kill any natives that did not hop on the trails of tears and give up their home lands. History should judge him as a beast for these actions, if nothing more. He could not be found guilty of WAR CRIMES against Native Americans because the US Government did not recognize the tribes as sovereign countries with which to go to war. They were largely seen as sub-human, deserving of NO rights to life, liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. Although I agree that he was not a war criminal during the Civil War, he certainly was a criminal against humanity AFTER the war. Much like it is impossible to judge Adolf Hitler only on his pre-WWII record, we cannot forget what Sherman did AFTER the Civil War when judging him as an historical figure.
@scottgoens7575
@scottgoens7575 2 күн бұрын
Shermans only strategy to bring the native Americans to the reservation was the decimation of the Bison. The war on the Plains with a decimated officer corp and a light force over a huge geographic area wasn't going to be a quick one.
@shaarangvaze8623
@shaarangvaze8623 2 жыл бұрын
I was driving to Atlanta and on the radio I heard a guy say "My family has a rich history of military service dating all the way back the war of northern aggression or the civil war." He said it so casually and my mind was genuinely blown, i thought this whole confederacy love was just a fringe crazy youtube comments kind of thing not something that you could just chance upon on public radio.
@scottgoens7575
@scottgoens7575 2 күн бұрын
The war of Northern Aggression was a term coined in the 1950's when South Carolina finally paid off its Civil War debt. Neo-Confederates are always the revisionists.
@AlwaysBolttheBird
@AlwaysBolttheBird 3 жыл бұрын
Not knowing that they were doing a "joke" comment at the end made your reaction absolutely perfect
@thatonegreenorange7718
@thatonegreenorange7718 3 жыл бұрын
The only reaction channel that actually adds something to the videos they react to
@razormaw
@razormaw 3 жыл бұрын
no shade to vlogging through history but you should check out Mr. Terry History if you think that way :)
@thatonegreenorange7718
@thatonegreenorange7718 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah I watch his videos as well he’s great
@scomarkham
@scomarkham 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I got here via Atun-Shei but I just realized I've watched your videos for while on History Guy Gaming. Keep up the great content
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Glad to have you here too Scott!
@thehowlinggamer5784
@thehowlinggamer5784 3 жыл бұрын
Basically it all boils down to this. Did Sherman destroy military property? Yes. Did he destroy private businesses that supported the confederacy? Yes. Did certain aspects of that destruction get out of hand and unchecked to some regard? Yes. Does that make him a war criminal? No. He did not order looting. He did not order r@p3. He did not order the burning of private hopes. Such things happen regardless, and Sherman just couldn't care less because it all had the same result. Breaking the backs and spirits of the confederacy.
@ElGrandoCaymano
@ElGrandoCaymano Жыл бұрын
Is Bomber Harris a war criminal? Well then is Herman Goering?
@aaronlaughter6471
@aaronlaughter6471 Жыл бұрын
Yea it does, with letters to his wife, they literally come off as someone who loves genocide. This are first hand letters written by him and his wife.
@asherroodcreel640
@asherroodcreel640 Жыл бұрын
​@@aaronlaughter6471wouldn't that have been brought up by either dude in the video seems like an important detal to leave out
@aaronlaughter6471
@aaronlaughter6471 Жыл бұрын
@asherroodcreel640 unless they had a narrative to uphold. Propaganda, what's that. Look, I'll be honest. The civil war is the least interesting thing to me. I hate both sides. Both sides of the current day suck shit through a straw. If you want I can give you some books you can read that will hopefully realize how much of a chode this guy is.
@patrickpet7905
@patrickpet7905 4 ай бұрын
You can say the same thing about Nazi's war crimes. Many higher officials tried to distance themselves from the holocaust and other crimes. Did that save them? No. If the ICC existed at the time, they would have issued a Warrant for Sherman's arrest.
@jidk6565
@jidk6565 3 жыл бұрын
Most arguments made by Johnny red are from the comments of his videos He goes out of his way to not straw man the argument while still being entertaining
@jeffbenton6183
@jeffbenton6183 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, though I think you meant Johnny Reb, not Johnny Red.
@nukclear2741
@nukclear2741 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffbenton6183 autocorrect probably struck again.
@aztroboy1450
@aztroboy1450 3 жыл бұрын
I think the point of Checkmate Lincolnites is a way to respond to the Johnny Reb comments on his videos.
@johnmcmanus2447
@johnmcmanus2447 2 жыл бұрын
"I know which hole he went into. I don't know which hole he will come out of." This quote by Lincoln demonstrates exactly what VTH was talking about, with Sherman detaching from his supply lines and communication lines with Lincoln
@ericveneto1593
@ericveneto1593 3 жыл бұрын
TY for reacting to this channel. I only recently found it, it's terrific!
@Reidumz
@Reidumz 3 жыл бұрын
Ah man, I really wish I had seen your reviews of his Gods and Generals videos. I respect and kind of agree Atun's viewpoints on the film, but it's going to be eating at the back of my mind wondering what your disagreements with his takes are, as I really enjoy and respect your point of view as you obviously bring a ton of knowledge on the subject matter to the table. Hope you reconsider uploading them!
@AvWorgen
@AvWorgen 3 жыл бұрын
The gist is that alot of it was based off a book that focused on Stonewall Jacksons pov and that alot of the "southern glory" moments was because the movie is based on a book about Jacksons pov and not on glorifying the South but on Jackson viewing it as something good. And that the moments in the movie was based on actual events and stuff. That's kind of the gist
@Reidumz
@Reidumz 3 жыл бұрын
@@AvWorgen Hey thanks a lot for your summary! :D
@AvWorgen
@AvWorgen 3 жыл бұрын
@@Reidumz i hope i remembered correctly since this is all from memory so i may be incorrect
@drumkommandr9779
@drumkommandr9779 3 жыл бұрын
Short answer: yes, but it was kinda required to counter the apathy and sloth of the high command. Lincoln spent most of the war getting progressively more pissed off at everyone around him for doing absolutely nothing.
@aaronlaughter6471
@aaronlaughter6471 Жыл бұрын
Also to note he was very hands on during the beginning of the war, micromanageing it. Which also lead to the latlrgest race riot in US history in New York.
@NetherStray
@NetherStray 3 жыл бұрын
It's a fair warning that the bananas arguments being used in Checkmate Lincolnites are from Atun Shei's own comment sections, so by reacting to his videos, you may be inviting some of that same vitriol. It's not right, but it's unfortunately likely to happen!
@debrickashaw9387
@debrickashaw9387 3 жыл бұрын
1:00 Put the videos back up, turn off the comment section and add an explanation as to why you did so in the description.
@Jechti307
@Jechti307 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, DOn't nanny people they wanna go at it let em go at it
@debrickashaw9387
@debrickashaw9387 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jechti307 The comment field on his video is his choice to do with what he will
@Jechti307
@Jechti307 3 жыл бұрын
@@debrickashaw9387 bruh, You offer'd suggestion two. Stop being a twit
@11Survivor
@11Survivor 3 жыл бұрын
The wiki page on Sherman says he left the catholic church in his latter years, supposedly rejecting God. If this is truly the case, and I can believe it is, then Sherman may have been of the, "Life is too bad for a God to exist." mindset, especially concerning some of his quotes.
@svarthofde2492
@svarthofde2492 2 жыл бұрын
If it happened it might have been after his wife's death, 3 years prior to his. She had been a devout Roman-Catholic while from my understanding his personal views were somewhere between agnosticism and deism.
@NagatoOPRESSORTHUGLIFE
@NagatoOPRESSORTHUGLIFE Жыл бұрын
Do you really believe in that? Wiki pages always try "to atheist" every person. Last time I read a article that said that John Brown were a deist.
@scottgoens7575
@scottgoens7575 2 күн бұрын
Shermans wife became almost a cultist in her extreme belief. Their son was basically coerced by his wife to take up the cloth instead of taking up university studies as Sherman wanted.
@Dark_LoreVT
@Dark_LoreVT 3 жыл бұрын
Love Atun-Shei Films! The fact he plays Billy Yank and Johnny Reb is freaking hilarious!
@toriasygramul7128
@toriasygramul7128 3 жыл бұрын
There was one large army in the 19th Century that moved through enemy country without large scale plundering: The english/portugese army under Wellington in the penninsula-campaign. That was because Wellington considered the spanish allies, not enemies. Even after sieges of places like badajoz he allowed only the traditional 24h for plundering and still had caught rapists hanged. And having seen what the spanish guerilleros did to french soldiers who plundered, raped and murdered during foraging probably put the british and portugese out of the mood too.
@archivesoffantasy5560
@archivesoffantasy5560 3 жыл бұрын
RIP to Abraham Lincoln from England. It’s been 156 years to the day that he died
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 3 жыл бұрын
There are always people who enjoy violence. Unfortunately, armies don’t always do a good job at filtering them out (or maybe even encouraging some of them) and instead train them to be killers. These people probably feel they were born in the wrong century and would have loved to be a medieval Viking or something
@ktheterkuceder6825
@ktheterkuceder6825 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad they weren't born on that period. They would have died of disease before reaching the age of 10. Or if they did they would either be a serf or a stable guy cleaning horse shit.
@EvanONS1
@EvanONS1 3 жыл бұрын
As a southerner (NOT a lost-causer/neo-confederate) I have a love and hate relationship with Atun-Shei. I love your reactions to these because they provide important historical context that he leaves out of his educational (but also admittedly a little goofy) videos. Please keep these up. I actually find them *more* enjoyable with your commentary.
@stevenmatuszak7536
@stevenmatuszak7536 3 жыл бұрын
I like atun-Shei a lot, though granted I am a northerner. Where do you think atun-shei falls short in his videos?
@EvanONS1
@EvanONS1 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevenmatuszak7536 I wouldn't even call it "falling short" so much as a stylistic difference. For instance, the confederate is always the caricature, and it plays and it's really funny of course, but the union person usually represents two parts: both the union and the voice of logic. I'm always glad to see him dig at the fanbase that equates the modern south equally with the confederacy, or boils us down to one caricature of a person (see: the calvary on the mobility scooter). But he's obviously knowledgeable and really funny, so ultimately I call it a net positive.
@wutthe8284
@wutthe8284 3 жыл бұрын
@@EvanONS1 I see your point about the voice of reason thing, but since most of the stuff he has the confederate say in the skit are from the comments section, the confederate kinda also represents two parts. One being common lost cause talking points that aren't that extreme that may or may not be from the comments(which he sometimes concedes they have a point), then the really extreme comments that make you balk a little. Yes, he can cherry pick it to direct the flow and tenor of the discussion, but he does mostly parrot lost causer talking points. So while a caricature for sure, I wouldn't say a straw man like most caricatures are for, for example, although a bit hyperbolic of the typical person.
@Senscion
@Senscion 3 жыл бұрын
@@EvanONS1 That is the point. They are just vehicles to shut down lost cause arguments and what better vehicle to convey lost cause arguments than a Confederate soldier? Then what is the opposite of the Confederacy? The Union with its soldier being used to shut down those lost cause arguments.
@kcoup1626
@kcoup1626 3 жыл бұрын
Atun-Shei cites all of his sources if you need historical context.
@srice8959
@srice8959 2 жыл бұрын
A Fun Fact about Sherman was he gave VERY Strict orders that if any Union troops was to touch LSU. He would have them Hung!! He still Loved LSU, and was still extremely fond of his time that he spent at LSU. Also if memory serves me right the Cannons at LSU’s Military Science Building are cannons from Fort Sumter
@mayalackman7581
@mayalackman7581 Жыл бұрын
What is LSU?
@davidvasquez08
@davidvasquez08 Жыл бұрын
@@mayalackman7581 Luisiana State University
@paulsbunions8441
@paulsbunions8441 Жыл бұрын
​@@mayalackman7581Low Standards University
@mattstakeontheancients7594
@mattstakeontheancients7594 3 жыл бұрын
Just found this channel. Loving your reaction video. Always happy to find more well done history KZbin channels especially ones that cover the civil war and American history.
@wileyjackson5124
@wileyjackson5124 3 жыл бұрын
I was raised in Charleston, and the average opinion was that Sherman did things that no southern would. They vilified him in a unique vacuum.
@stevenmatuszak7536
@stevenmatuszak7536 3 жыл бұрын
Man I appreciate how thoughtful all of your videos are
@SobaOfPulaski
@SobaOfPulaski 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate Atun-Shei Films and their ability to cover history in a fun manner but also cover topics that history hardly likes to cover.
@Oreokillerz14
@Oreokillerz14 3 жыл бұрын
I think Byzantine army under Belisarius was one of the few militaries to take back land without pillaging. When retaking Rome they were to pay the people for their goods instead of taking by force, they said they were to treat the old Romans as Byzantians.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but they were not Byzantines, in their eyes. They thought they were Roman.
@Zcp105
@Zcp105 3 жыл бұрын
@vlogging through history I'm absolutely with you on Stonewall Jackson. His personality quirks are often portrayed as positive attributes to his generalship, but I think they were much more detrimental in reality. No doubt, he was a talented tactician and he had that knack for aggression and initiative that fit in well in the army of Northern Virginia. But an Army is only in combat a very small percentage of the time. Outside of combat, Jackson would've been a poor army commander because he had zero personnel skills.
@michaelkaster5058
@michaelkaster5058 Жыл бұрын
My teacher, Mr. Shiley was the best teacher i had, He had a real passion for the civil war that captivated the classroom. His week long 'lecture' (i could say performance) of Gettysburg, of the different aspects of the battle, instilled a life long appreciation of the Civil War. The summer after his classes, I met no less than 10 classmates walking Gettysburg battlefield. He discussed the war, warts and all, to a class of middle schoolers, with both sides perspectives, and we loved it. Sadly, not long after I moved on to high school, we and future students lost him, these videos capture his spirit. Thanks
@silasmcgee5593
@silasmcgee5593 3 жыл бұрын
I think Sherman was slightly better general than Lee. Growing up in North Alabama, the City i lived in changed hands between the north and south 16 times. There was a sort of turf war between the southern and northern sympathizers. Total war was used (in a lesser degree than Sherman) in the area by general Wilson. Union soldiers burned both pro CSA and pro union homesteads, poisoned wells, and looted the area in 1864-1865. It completely changed my great great grandparents view on the union, although the confederates kidnapped my 15? year old great uncle to fight in shiloh. He didnt have any shoes and died south of Corinth MS, and was given a shallow grave. Northwest Alabama was a weird place in the civil war. The populace and terrain is more similar to north central ohio, and the politics also reflected this before the war. Groups of Militants and gangs skirmished with both sides in the area, and Winston County, AL even seceded from the CSA as the “free state of winston.” It’s definitely worth the research and ive not regretted scouring the county history section at the library.
@ElGrandoCaymano
@ElGrandoCaymano Жыл бұрын
Lee always fought outnumbered and with a disadvantage. Sherman was an excellent corps commander, though not so great at Bull Run I (though no one was really except SJ).
@SpectralTime
@SpectralTime 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who is totally unfamiliar with your work, but is *very* familiar with Atun-Shei Films in general and Checkmate Lincolnites! in particular, I appreciate hearing little future echoes of things he gets to later when you bring them up before he does.
@sherrilufflee
@sherrilufflee 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, one must always remember. Would you rather be the virgin, starving strategist? Or the Chad, well fed logistician
@DzRythen2866
@DzRythen2866 3 жыл бұрын
Would you be willing to re-upload the gods and generals video and maybe turn off the comments? I dident catch that and I would be really interested to see your take on it. Love the vids thank you!
@theoutlook55
@theoutlook55 3 жыл бұрын
The KZbin channel that this guy is reacting to right now did actually have an episode focused specifically on that Gods and Generals movie, criticizing it resoundingly. You should check that one out.
@anonymousanonymous1338
@anonymousanonymous1338 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever he has a little blurb at the bottom of the screen, it’s a comment left on one of his videos. He’s making fun of them while simultaneously talking about real beliefs people have.
@josephcason5039
@josephcason5039 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve discovered your channel earlier this week and I’ve enjoyed it. I agree that Sherman wasn’t a war criminal, but he had to do the 19th Century version of total war to bring about the end of the war. If you have a chance to read or listen to a couple of books I recommend Hymns of the Republic which covers the last year of the war. The other book is called Rebel Yell and it’s the biography of Stonewall Jackson. Both are written by S. C. Gwen ( I think that’s how you spell his last name) both are extremely well written and I think you’d find both of them interesting. Again, I enjoy the channel and keep up the good work.
@mjc8281
@mjc8281 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know the answer to this, but I would guess one of the advantages of winning a war is that you get to pick the war criminals I would be interested to know through history how many times members of the winning side have been charged with war crimes, I'm guessing not very often.
@josephschultz3301
@josephschultz3301 2 жыл бұрын
"I'm a cartoon character, not an idiot." Easily one of my favorite lines Johnny Reb's had xD
@graniteman62
@graniteman62 Жыл бұрын
To be very honest, any German general in WW2 that did similar deeds was brought to war criminal trials, then it's up to the judges, the population should never be punished for the deeds of it's political leaders nor generals.
@arlonfoster9997
@arlonfoster9997 11 ай бұрын
As someone who was born in the north and have relatives in the south I am fascinated with the personal lives and careers of the general officers on both sides of the Civil War as well as the personal tragic stories that makes me feel sorry for them
@kyle18934
@kyle18934 3 жыл бұрын
The text boxes that he says are comments he is quoting. He gets some weird people responding to him lol
@ryansteele2677
@ryansteele2677 4 ай бұрын
I once knew a guy from Georgia with whom I spent about 5 weeks (along with about 150 other people from across the world... Long story lol) he and I were getting along quite well for about 2 weeks... Then one day I mentioned that my son's middle name was Tecumseh, named for both the chief and the general... ...the air in the room instantly changed and he didn't speak to me the rest of the time we spent together... Southerners are strange about that war...
@piercepetree7989
@piercepetree7989 3 жыл бұрын
Being from Atlanta, GA...all the folks here make it clear that they don't like him. You might not know much about civil war hisotry, but you know the name of Sherman growing up. But all honestly, it's war... what do you expect?
@DamonNomad82
@DamonNomad82 4 ай бұрын
I'm not directly related to Sherman, but I have first cousins who are descended from his sister on the other side of their family. My 3rd great-grandfather also served under Sherman in the Atlanta Campaign, the March to the Sea, and the Carolinas Campaign. I've always considered Sherman to have been fully justified in his actions and the harm done to the South in and after the war to have been entirely self-inflicted.
@ThomasVanhala
@ThomasVanhala 3 жыл бұрын
Oh the mention of West Point and the civil war made me remember a old tv show from the 1980s called North and South.
@bradleymcconnell470
@bradleymcconnell470 Жыл бұрын
19:27 was watching this and I used to live less than 3 miles from Saltville Va do you have a video on that battle? Or maybe do a video about “lesser known smaller towns of the civil war”. Also I’ve always been told a Union Payroll Carriage was robbed en route to/from Saltville, and was “never found”. I’ve been to the house JEB Stuart was born/raised there. Also Gen Mosby practiced law in Bristol VA/TN after the Civil War. Really enjoying your channel loving your unbiased opinions.
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 3 жыл бұрын
Scorched earth forced my family's sons to take up arms. They didn't destroy their property and they so poor already the real damage came afterwards. As a 46 yr old Mississippian who knew great grandmother white and black who was born on 1890 I fant tell you it was 2 isolated poor peoples who didn't know each other and it was left with no money no infrastructure and was ignored and denied factory . Basically left like this until 1950s
@ForgottenHonor0
@ForgottenHonor0 3 жыл бұрын
Haha! I contributed one of the memes onscreen!
@LordVader1094
@LordVader1094 3 жыл бұрын
28:15 You'd be surprised, considering a lot of the arguments the "caricature" uses are from the actual youtube comments lol Also Sherman was based af, you can't change my mind.
@NastyNate18B
@NastyNate18B 9 ай бұрын
I have a hard time swallowing Lees "we should grow too fond of it" quote. Coming from a man who didnt fight and bleed and kill, that seems like a spoiled child praising his toys
@kenbennett4556
@kenbennett4556 3 жыл бұрын
I hope you bring back the Gods and Generals reaction video, real curious to hear your take on it
@loganjackson675
@loganjackson675 4 ай бұрын
Not sure about “war criminal” because it would be silly to try to apply something like the Geneva Convention to a war general from 1865, and winners are rarely held accountable by the law or investigated, but there’s no doubt that Sherman allowed his men to commit atrocities that violated the Union’s laws of war. He may or may not have handed out orders to his men to commit crimes, but it certainly is a responsibility of command to keep their men in line, and ultimately the commander is responsible for those actions. Sherman certainly saw the mayhem being committed by those under his charge and chose to shrug his shoulders and claim that it could not be helped, which is not how it works, but he looked the other way because he understood that burning/looting/raping did help his cause of total war. That said, anyone who claims that similar atrocities in the Civil War would be unique to the Union is deluding themselves. War crimes and atrocities are unfortunately something that tends to happen in most, if not every war.
@espadasescapades9021
@espadasescapades9021 3 жыл бұрын
Sherman repping my hometown of Lancaster, Ohio 💯👊😄 Been to his house for a school trip and went to General Sherman Jr HS 😅 may be a bit bias but I loved learning about Sherman
@maximustiberius3036
@maximustiberius3036 3 жыл бұрын
Just be glad he repped your home, instead of raping it.
@espadasescapades9021
@espadasescapades9021 3 жыл бұрын
@@maximustiberius3036 War is hell 🤷‍♂️
@inagaddadavidahoney
@inagaddadavidahoney 10 ай бұрын
Was Sherman a war criminal? No. However, that would be a term more used decades later. In the end it should be noted that war criminals are usually declared by the victors. I'm fairly certain that if Japan or Germany had used a nuclear bomb in WW2 and still lost that would have been added to their list of war crimes.
@philipjeffers2460
@philipjeffers2460 3 жыл бұрын
Funny story, my family on my moms side is from Ohio and, I think it was in the ‘70s or ‘80s, my grandparents went down to atlanta for a vacation. Their last name is Sherman and the hotel they were gonna stay in refused to allow them to stay after they signed the guestbook
@thenormalyears
@thenormalyears 2 жыл бұрын
I fully believe this. The landed gentry of the south are usually direct descendants of the slave owners that used to be the aristocracy and they’re still mad about losing their slaves and status. I am from the south before anyone gets offended either
@bigstevesnostalgiadragraci4240
@bigstevesnostalgiadragraci4240 11 ай бұрын
Chris, one aspect no one talks about is Lee's seizure of free black folks during his Pennsylvania invasion,. It is estimated that 1000+ free blacks were seized and sent south into slavery. Talk about war crimes!
@ngbb8977
@ngbb8977 3 жыл бұрын
Sherman was thought highly of by his enemies, lol I'm from Georgia and I've never heard a good word about Sherman in my life
@johanrunfeldt7174
@johanrunfeldt7174 3 жыл бұрын
About Sherman's views on Total War: Clausewitz' book "On War" had made it's way into the litterature list at West Point when Sherman attended the Academy. Sherman also applied the same thinking on the Indians in the West after the Civil War.
@wilhelm_iron2359
@wilhelm_iron2359 3 жыл бұрын
As much as everyone talks about Sherman's March to the Sea, I'm surprised more don't talk about The Burning that Sheridan caused in the Shenandoah. It happened at roughly the same time, and for similar reasons
@joshuabutler5977
@joshuabutler5977 3 жыл бұрын
28:00 Its not as rare as you think. I don't know if this was a popular myth or just what was taught in school but there is was a strong despise for Sherman to the point that many of the older generations of my family and friends sort of spat his name and got really disgusted by what he did. many of them cite different reasons. for instance my grandfather points out that the croplands Sherman burned could be sown for several years. my great grandmother erroneously believed that he burned down Atlanta after the war ended similarly to how some people claim that Dresden Germany had been firebombed after WW2 ended. Both as reprisal actions against the enemy state. You also have my uncle who hated Sherman based more on how his men acted towards southern women. most family friends of similar generations regurgitate these sentiments but a few bring up old, handed down (and likely exaggerated over the years) stories of what happened when his forces moved through where their families lived. Now most of these people don't deny the actions of confederate commanders mostly because they weren't taught. I didn't know about fort pillow until i went out and searched for information regarding the south and slavery after hearing so many people claim that the war was purely fought for states rights and taxes. For a large segment (even though its steadily decreasing with generations as i think curriculums have changed) of the south they buy into this idea of southerners fighting a gentleman's war and the north being brutal oppressors who were cruel out of hand and destroyed things purely for the joy of it. Like i said this is a generalization but there is still a hateful undertone in how many southerners feel about the war just because of how it was talked about. its not pervasive not a lot of people just spend all day talking about it but whenever the topic comes up voices are raised and tempers tend to flair.
@lordvader8981
@lordvader8981 3 жыл бұрын
As a proud Southern I appreciate that they defend us and show we aren't racist just because we are conservative rural people and it means a lot as we are made fun of so much and called racist because we don't agree with some thoughts
@akhmedthemerchant4741
@akhmedthemerchant4741 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it does suck. So many people immediately assume I'm racist/ homophobic just because I'm from a state that 100s of years ago had slavery.
@11Survivor
@11Survivor 3 жыл бұрын
I mean really depends on the thought. If you don't agree skin colour is literally nothing more than a colour, then yes, that's racist. If you don't agree that universal healthcare is the way to go, then that's your opinion, but not racist.
@noirekuroraigami2270
@noirekuroraigami2270 3 жыл бұрын
Lol 😂 you aren’t all racist but to say it’s not a still big in those rural towns. I got a bridge to sell you.
@akhmedthemerchant4741
@akhmedthemerchant4741 3 жыл бұрын
@@noirekuroraigami2270 no one said that though. We only pointed out that people assume we're racist immediately because of where we're from.
@bigdog517
@bigdog517 3 жыл бұрын
@@akhmedthemerchant4741 the assumptions made on both sides are deeply frustrating Not every right winger is a nazi and not every lefty is a commie we all have the same problems for the most part ATF and ICE are a good example of that
@kevinsysyn4487
@kevinsysyn4487 3 жыл бұрын
If targeting and punishing defenseless civilians with military forces is a war crime.... yup! He was.... starting with burning Atlanta. I believe a lot of the animosity that exists today grows from Sherman's devastating march to Richmond.
@Zer0SumGame
@Zer0SumGame 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever *I* think "Johnny Reb is a caricature, a straw-man, who could possibly think this shit," I remind myself that the United Daughters of the Confederacy still exist and still have political and cultural influence. That the League of the South is a *thing* that exists, and that they took a black and white saltire as their flag because the all of the flags associated with the CSA still used colours associated with both the Union *and* the wider institution of democracy (red, white, and blue. Cheers, France, for continuing that trend among revolutions!), which the League of the South *vehemently* opposes. In short, there is no low that White Nationalists will not sink to to justify their hate, and I'm never surprised when I find a new bit of lunacy.
@aaronlaughter6471
@aaronlaughter6471 Жыл бұрын
Yes he is, hell as someone who defends the atomic bombs, there were necessary, yet still war crimes. You can say something was a necessary evil (atomic bombings/shermans march) while still acknowledging there where warcrimes. Hell, when Shermangot to NC he told his men to cut that shit out, sense there was pretty much a 50/50 split between rebels and loyalists.
@Robocline
@Robocline 3 жыл бұрын
I really don't care much about what Sherman did even though I was taught it in school. I do wish the gloating and bigotry against the south would stop though. My family was in Ohio at the time and fought for the union. Eventually they moved around and I was born and raised in Georgia. I have no real ties to the area except that I grew up there. My Father was born in California and my mother was from New York City. I have witnessed and felt the long lasting hatred and belittling of southerners rooted in the civil war. Grant may have said we shouldn't act like that but it seems his words fell on deaf ears. Just like America bashing seems to be the favorite pastime of most of the world Southern bashing seems to be a national sport. I just think it's long past time to put it to bed.
@joshuaspaulding2978
@joshuaspaulding2978 3 жыл бұрын
But would you say that the south hasn’t had its time in the sun claiming the civil war was one of “Northern aggression” and that many still hold such pride in idealized confederate values, not the racism per se and definitely not slavery? I agree that we should put it to rest but I don’t feel as though the burden of the high road rests solely on the shoulders of the north alone, it takes two to tango If I came off as standoffish but I know people, I also know this is anecdotal, who have family ties to the south and consistently bash the north and can be pretty rabble rousing about their love of the confederacy. It also doesn’t help the “Lost Cause” myth was started and perpetuated in the south even to this day although it has infected north and south, East and west. I see that I might be coming off as the kind of person you are tired of so I apologize for that but I’m still a little stuck to this belief until proven otherwise
@Robocline
@Robocline 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshuaspaulding2978 I don't disagree with you but I do think a lot of the southern pride comes from a sense of always being on the back foot up against a constant barrage of hatred. The stupid southerner trope is very much alive and well in media. I'm told all the time that my accent makes me sound dumb as if a new England accent sounds any better. I don't know, it just feels like a David and Goliath situation and I can definitely understand why southerners would love to get some revenge at times. In my experiences it's not about slaves or confederate values because most of the general population has no clue what they were. I think it's a sense of defiance against a bully which was how the US was born after all.
@forickgrimaldus8301
@forickgrimaldus8301 2 жыл бұрын
Yup also Atun Shie is Southerner himself and a former Lost Causer as a Teen so yeah saying All Southerners are Neo Confeds is like saying all Germans are Neo Nazis.
@zombiepi
@zombiepi 3 жыл бұрын
Come to Charleston, SC. Most stuff has reopened, including good ol' Fort Sumter.
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to visit there!
@Ocrilat
@Ocrilat 3 жыл бұрын
This is easy. Did Sherman break a 'law of war' that existed AT THE TIME? No. Did he invent a cruelty never seen before that was met with universal revulsion? Also no. Then he is not a 'war criminal'.
@Ruosteinenknight
@Ruosteinenknight 2 жыл бұрын
Also there were confederates who called for similar actions(specifically burning cities and crops) when war wasn't progressing they hoped. Lee however eschewed it, not so much for it being ungentlemanly, but because he thought that straightforward way was defeat armies on battlefield. The thing is, Confederacy simply did not have the resources to go for "traditional" victory, a fact that was realized in Gettysburg.
@Ocrilat
@Ocrilat 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ruosteinenknight I think the issue was that no one was really in charge of strategy in the Confederacy. Each state wanted to run themselves, and hesitated to support areas outside of itself. They had fewer resources, but they also had a a poor ability to tap the resources they had. This tricked into the military sphere as well. Each commander operated more or less independently. So the North was able to defeat each region one after the other. I think the reason why the South lasted as long as they did was they had more talented military leaders...at first. Once that military leadership was in place, the South could do nothing but lose.
@brennansmith6474
@brennansmith6474 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it is
@brennansmith6474
@brennansmith6474 2 жыл бұрын
What good had us did in 20c
@Ocrilat
@Ocrilat 2 жыл бұрын
@@brennansmith6474 I have no idea what you are trying to say. Could you clarify?
@prestonjones1653
@prestonjones1653 Жыл бұрын
10:40 For a look at what the Confederacy would have ended up like had they won, look no further than Brazil. Emperor Dom Pedro II of Blessed Memory abolished slavery in 1880, although there had been incremental laws in place before (no enslaving newborn babies, people over 60 were freed, etc.). The now-former slave owners were very unhappy with this and launched a coup to overthrow the Empire and establish the first Republic of Brazil. Emperor Pedro II did not put up a fight (that he honestly would have very easily won and I'll get into why in a minute) because above all else he wanted peace for Brazilians. "Problem" for the slavers was that slavery was already illegal and if they relegalized it they had a lot of problems. 1. The former slaves would be pissed off and start rioting. 2. The army was almost entirely composed of either former slaves, the children of former slaves, or ardent and very heavily armed abolitionists who were very easy to make very mad. The army was also pretty solidly loyal to the Emperor. 3. The UK, who had worked with Emperor Pedro II to end the slave trade in Brazil and worked towards slavery's abolition in the country sent a telegraph wire saying, in so many words, "If you so much as think about reinstating slavery, you will be our next colony." So they just did what they could to make themselces as rich as possivle and Brazil's been falling apart ever since. There's a not unsubstantial movement to reinstall the Monarchy in Brazil to this day.
@wjb-wt6sc
@wjb-wt6sc Жыл бұрын
As a black southerner I don't care if Sherman was a war criminal in the least, it's hard for me to sympathize with slaveholders and the masses that thought subordination was our rightful place. People down here in Georgia have tried to take a swing at me just because I don't curse Sherman's name, it just cracks me up tbh. Sherman was AT BEST indifferent to my people, but I like what he did to the Confederacy. They f*cked around and found out... I'm cool with that.
@ronjames7953
@ronjames7953 10 ай бұрын
I do think Slavery in the South would have phased out. I believe Confederate allies like France and England would have applied pressure on the south to end the practice.
@McMannis85
@McMannis85 2 жыл бұрын
I’m late to this party, and it’s possible it’s already been said, but it is absolutely Sherman’s responsibility to control the men under his command, or else be held responsible for their actions. That’s called the burden of command, and there is little justification that can be levied that suggests watching the city burn, and celebrating it, is anything other than barbaric at best. War criminal though? Probably not. The problem is a lot of this uses modern justifications and modern moral codes to justify a large amount of the actions used as justifications for what was done, but under that same logical train of thought that same modern moral code would place Sherman and ultimately Grant as well, firmly in the camp of war criminals. At the time though, probably not, and his march was probably justified if we remove modern thought on the issue.
@ElGrandoCaymano
@ElGrandoCaymano Жыл бұрын
Indeed it's same with the Henry Wirz trial. There's some charge he personally murdered union POWs, but no one can identify who he killed or exactly when. Andersonville was of course a complete disgrace and Wirz was in a tough position, but its no denying he was in charge of the prison and should have tried much harder to prevent needless starvation and disease. Was Wirz a war criminal? Was Mary Surratt?
@LinusE
@LinusE Жыл бұрын
Those soldiers who "voted" on repealing secession is the funniest thing ever
@jacksonbrazell2572
@jacksonbrazell2572 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Columbia, SC so I kinda see it as messed up that the city was burned but I am bias because I live and grew up here
@alecmullaney7957
@alecmullaney7957 3 жыл бұрын
And it was the fleeing confederates who lit the fires
@tristanrodriguez3098
@tristanrodriguez3098 3 жыл бұрын
Don't secede and abandon your city then.
@nicholasharshbarger4454
@nicholasharshbarger4454 3 жыл бұрын
There’s a great quote from Napoleon about supply lines. He said that “An army marches on its stomach”.
@TheCrimsonIdol987
@TheCrimsonIdol987 3 жыл бұрын
Southern States: *Secede and rebel.* Sherman: "And I took that personally."
@zacharyrobinson3001
@zacharyrobinson3001 4 ай бұрын
46:24 I died laughing. Seriously though, great reaction video. Very informative
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