Historian takes on Ben Shapiro's Presidential Tier List

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[@VloggingThroughHistory]

For those complaining that I'm reacting to Ben's list (which is, btw, the point of this video) rather than giving my own reasons and rankings for everything...it's because I've already done that, twice. Once on my own - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKvZoJ6XhtBsj6c and once in a 4 hour stream with Mr. Beat - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3K4mGmvZ7qLbpo

[@emberphoenix5618]

How would you rate his list?

[@omaralvarez8171]

That collaboration with Mr. Beat was terrific! I may agree more with that list than this one, but it’s still nice to hear from Ben’s perspective.

[@BigGringus]

I respect Shapiro a lot and I could say I agree most of the things he believes in, however there is a reason why I chose to watch your tier list video on US presidents over his. I think when someone is used to such a polarized, political environment the person in question will be more resistant to view the other side in a positive way. I like that you have your moral standards and that you're also willing to at least learn and hear out differing opinions. A great example of a student of history.

[@mikeharvey2748]

Why use Ben Shapiro as a model? Anyone who give FDR and F when he literally created the middle class, gave us SS and the New Deal and oh defeated fascism, winning WW2 and finally being elected 4 times as President is a fool and an ideologue to the extreme.

[@mikeharvey2748]

And Trump is no where near the Woodrow Wilson’s and Buchanan category, really? The guy lost an election and committed sedition to over turn the election he lost and refused to accept defeat and do a peaceful transfer of power. Sedition is domestic treason, he’s a dictator wanna be and he was a terrible President.

[@baitreview]

The big problem with judging very recent presidents from recent history is that we never get to see their long term impacts, thus making it impossible to fully judge them.

[@evanbell7825]

Two words; Gas prices. People feeling the impact of the Biden administration

[@startledmilk6670]

@@evanbell7825 he has had very little effect on gas prices, how many times do people need to disprove you guys? The only effect he would have is sanctions against Russian oil. Trump actually signed a deal with OPEC to not produce oil at full capacity back in 202”, that deal is still in effect so trump has more blame than Biden.

[@synergygaming65]

​@@evanbell7825 Gas prices like the stock market a president is wise to not take the credit nor the blame. Unfortunately the peanut gallery is not all that intelligent.

[@anafrinil6310]

@@startledmilk6670 I guess I am confused on this. Didn't Biden put restrictions on domestic oil which you think would have an impact on supply and thus price?

[@jonl1319]

@@anafrinil6310 no he stopped the keystone pipeline deal but that wouldn't do anything now because it would've been a few years before the pipeline was operational.

[@PalmelaHanderson]

I enjoy how you can separate history from politics in certain ways. I feel like it is important to use history to inform politics, but imposing modern politics on what already happened is trying to square a circle a bit.

[@thefilthycasual8863]

100% agree its rare to see

[@Gaymanwithspraytan]

No way you’re serious LOL

[@demi3115]

Agree, it's really annoying when people talk about history with today's morals and standards.

[@PalmelaHanderson]

@@demi3115 There are times when it's appropriate. Like, we call agree enslaving people = bad, so judging people like Washington and Jefferson for literally owning human beings is alright with me. However, history doesn't happen in a vacuum. Everything needs to be taken into context.

[@williamwallaceoftheus8033]

Yeah the world as I see it is far too complex to see everything through simply a political mindset

[@blind_surgeon]

"F should be reserved for the worst of the worst." While wearing an F lol.

[@Idevaughan530]

Ben is an F

[@totemas2010]

​@@Idevaughan530Facs

[@natef1212]

@@Idevaughan530 conservative bad

[@BiasedSpursFan]

@@natef1212 unironically true

[@justsomeeggsinapot1784]

​@@natef1212 No. Ben bad.

[@wyatt_COTW]

Teddy roosevelt is an A tier for me, mostly for his conservation and creating a pathway for modern wildlife conservation aswell as promoting outdoor recreation.

[@ThecrazyJH96]

Yessss

[@CigaretteTheChannel]

Teddy is probably my #1 favorite, at the very least he's in my top 3. Bro would literally box his political opponents

[@potentiallylu6880]

He also established the FDA and carved the Panama Canal.

[@HelloThere.....]

But then why not B or C tier? Because you can't just judge on one thing.

[@wyatt_COTW]

@@HelloThere..... he ended the russo-japanese war🤷‍♂️

[@notacommie7089]

I love how Ben just completely glosses over Reagan's drug war, one the most destructive policy decisions in all of American History

[@elisabetfranklin1246]

And how he cause thousands of deaths by ignoring the AIDS epidemic

[@Shaosprojects]

@@elisabetfranklin1246 Both of those factors in my opinion are more than enough to knock him out of A tier

[@notacommie7089]

@@elisabetfranklin1246 And the iran contra affair

[@mrgaudy1954]

Ben probably agrees with that though, he’s a faux libertarian

[@samhunt9361]

@@mrgaudy1954 Shaprio is not a libertarian and in no way claims to be. Mind you i have no clue what faux means and niether does google when i look up faux libertarian. But hell, on the libertarian test, which is supposed to make you a libertarian, Ben barely was and anwsered qeustions like banning porn.

[@bigleo777]

I’m 10 minutes in, and I am a Fan, my dude. Hearing a conservative who can be so neutral and not “anti-liberal” is a relief to hear, honestly.

[@suraya1224]

M@Leo Espinoza: Agreed. Now if only we could find a dem who could be neutral, & not anti-conservative! (I didn't use the term ' liberal', bcs I'm an ex- dem, & consider myself a liberal conservative, as he mentioned).

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Be nice to see a similar minded liberal We need more people closer to the center in reality

[@carlfrank4463]

Those people exist. You don’t hear from them more because a) their voices aren’t deemed popular by the algorithm and b) because Leftists and moderate Liberals are tired of having to explain themselves so they’ve abandoned the conversation, too in love with decency to endure the toxicity of far right rhetoric and not passionate or angry enough to get on a pulpit to defend their principles. Instead they stay quiet at home as Conservatives win the culture war.

[@fazalkmd]

@@suraya1224 we’re out here…keep looking! We understand that the moment demands different approaches (eg there is a time for conservatism and a time for progressivism)

[@ethekey67]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall there’s a few out there. Harold Ford Jr. first comes to mind

[@amoryerenhouse5535]

Bro was literally about to put JFK in B tier until he realized JFK was a Democrat

[@1984isnotamanual]

Why would JFK be high up, he didn’t do anything except almost destroy the world?

[@Floridaman1780_]

Pretty sure he's well aware Kennedy was a democrat. Unfortunately, he wasn't President long enough to be anything higher than C tier. And had he lived, Vietnam would've weighed heavily on his legacy.

[@amoryerenhouse5535]

@@Floridaman1780_ what about the cuban missile crisis, what about the US space program, what about the civil rights stuff, what about the nuclear test ban treaty??? All really important and big things that should automatically grant him either A or B tier, its not he like he wasnt in office for less than a year

[@Floridaman1780_]

@@amoryerenhouse5535 what about the Cuban missile crisis? It never would've happened if not for Kennedy's blunder during the bay of pigs. Go ask any first generation Cuban America what it was like living under Castro's thumb for ☓ amount of years and how great of a President they think Kennedy was. It was probably the biggest strategic blunder by any sitting president in American history up until Biden tucked tail and ran out of Afghanistan. Not toppeling Castro's government when we had the chance, and not following thru with air support that America promised the rebels, ensured hell for decades for Cuban citizens under Castro, and severely compromised the safety of U.S. citizens on American soil. And did you know JFK opposed the march on Washington D.C. where MLK delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech? If he had gotten his way, that speech never would've happened. And I wont even get into his extracurriculars. His assassination was a tragedy and brought the country together, but it causes people to view him as a much different President than he actually was.

[@stanleywang7367]

@@amoryerenhouse5535 Cuban missile crisis, at least, was the result of fucking around with the Bay of Pigs invasion

[@theolewis8948]

I really enjoyed this. As a Brit, I still feel a bit in the dark about the ins and outs of US politics. I know the names of the presidents, but not nearly enough about the details of their terms. One thing I really notice is how easy it is to form a sort of passive opinion of a figure from history; an opinion which often changes when one really digs into the details. Thank you for an informative and balanced video.

[@brandoncockerill6183]

As a fellow brit who lived there for 7 years, please take Shapiro's opinions with the smallest grain of salt in the shaker. He's an extremely stubborn right wing figure. I can give one example alone that promotes Obama well above the F tier. Obama care. I was there at the time and he was the only president who attempted to tackle health care costs in that country in any real way. Although its not a single payer system it's a vast improvement. That's before we get into the cultural impact of being the first black President and what that means to America. I can go on but mention those things as I think they're objective

[@Sheundjd]

@@brandoncockerill6183first black president did zero for the black communities he was garbage I’m not trying to disrespect you Just heavily disagree he wasn’t a good president he also loved war dropped the most bombs in a calendar year Inflation was high gas was high he didn’t do much and loved war

[@johnknowlton8576]

​@@brandoncockerill6183The ACA was a legitimately terrible plan. People that sing its praises are either too young to remember what insurance was like before, or weren't living here before the ACA was implemented. It banned cross-state exchanges, raised premiums and deductibles, caused millions to lose their primary care physicians, and was nothing but a giant handout to the insurance companies since their chief lobbyist helped write it. Not to mention the 10,000,000 people that lost their coverage and had it replaced by an inferior, more expensive product. Then they had the audacity to say the were giving "refunds" to people that were overcharged in the form of a 2% discount on a premium that had increased 10-20% in a year.

[@steveberger8976]

I’m an American - and I love. Nigel Farage , Douglas Murray and Katie Hopkins - also God Bless Enoch Powell and Princes Diana

[@derekrocco4344]

@@brandoncockerill6183 Delightfully, the precise reason healthcare costs are so high is Reagan, whom he so unquestioningly slammed in the A tier. The US had pretty reasonable medicine policies and prices in 1980, and Reagan's crusade against regulation set up insurance companies as privileged middlemen devoid of any actual responsibilities. In practice, insurance companies became policy-setters for all things medical, and now have more of a say in how medicine is practiced than doctors or medical boards. Obamacare is a tiny band-aid on the absolute gaping wound Reagan inflicted on the US. It's great and all, but it's not nearly enough.

[@davacxi5301]

I think the problem with Wilson being so highly thought of is that in school we really only hear about him leading us through ww1, 14 points, and the 19th amendment. Simply looking at that, Wilson sounds pretty good but we never learn much more about Wilson. I loved history throughout high school but I never knew how atrocious Wilson was until much later

[@harrisonbaylor1432]

I think there is also part of each party trying to make their Presidents look better. Both sides do it with Presidents that were horrible in their parties. So in this situation we get democrats that just try to show the good things and hide the bad. If Presidents from back in the day didn’t have party labels then people would actually have to learn what policies each President had and make their opinion off that info instead of just picking the republican or democrat just because.

[@davacxi5301]

@@harrisonbaylor1432 thats so true, and honestly party values have shifted so much that the democratic party that Grover Cleveland was a part of was wildly different from that of say Jimmy Carter

[@taskmagician4289]

School only teaches u the basics unfortunately

[@GiuseppeDeRosa2001]

Yeah that’s absolutely true I never knew how bad he really was until I saw mr beat and vlogging through history

[@badcornflakes6374]

And that's why you read more

[@nickkoval616]

One of the best instances I’ve seen of taking on a very controversial, political topic and not laying into your biases, nor ignoring them. Just a really phenomenal attempt at objectivity. Really hope this channel continues to grow because it is well deserved

[@daebak7370]

Global financial collapse is being engineered by the agents of satan/nwo to bring about great reset. They want to collapse the dollar and wipe out everyone's finances to make them hungry and desperate enough to buy into their nwo system and recieve the coming mark of beast on hand or forehead. Without this no man can buy or sell. Revelation 13. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Police state/martial law coming soon. Quarantine centers aka concentration camps will be activated around the world from this covid agenda. America will be invaded by russia and china in near future thanks to treasonous us govt. Repent and seek jesus christ for salvation.

[@MrThemunch]

@@daebak7370 what's wrong with you bro how are you not banned?

[@gamingsaint6238]

Not really. This isn’t strictly history this is ranking US presidents, and the quality of a president is measured by their ability to uphold american ideals. Never in my life will I ever say someone who took three terms, conspired over pearl harbor, did nothing preemptive about communism and fascism, hurt the economy prolonging the great depression, put japanese and italians in camps, etc. etc. is ever a quality president from any ideology much less a pro american one. So the fact that a historian can look at a president like FDR with rose colored glasses shows a biases much more ludicrous than Shapiro’s own dishonest one.

[@the_17th_dragon32]

@@daebak7370 LMFAO nice troll

[@robknight2200]

You cultivated my exact thoughts I was trying to convey as I went to the comment section. Completely in agreement.

[@LuxInvicta]

Teddy Roosevelt as a D is a crack smoking opinion.

[@aaronsmith87]

Literally, all the natural conservation stuff alone makes him B at minimum

[@gregortheoverlander4122]

For real. That is wild. Dude is one of the least controversial presidents of all time. He did amazing things and everyone agrees that they were good things. Because of Teddy we can go to the grocery store and buy some meat without getting botulism one in five times. Because of Teddy we have the national parks. I agree that the Trust Busting didn't have the intended effect, but I think MOST people agree that price fixing is wrong and that the government should step in to stop monopolies. Teddy gets credit for trying, even if it didn't work the way he wanted it to.

[@HelloThere.....]

@@gregortheoverlander4122 dude you can't forget about the internment camps. That alone puts him down to C tier. I'm not saying F tier or even D. Let's settle for C, because he did lots of good things but those internment camps are such a high moral travesty you can't ignore that.

[@HelloThere.....]

@@gregortheoverlander4122 and the internment camps were an executive order as well. So it was definitely his fault.

[@gregortheoverlander4122]

@@HelloThere..... Sir, we are talking about Teddy Roosevelt, not FDR.

[@undeadarmy19]

I'm really glad you brought up the point about Manchin and Colins. Thats something I cant stand to hear from people, when they complain about how these guys don't vote the party line, then sit there and act like they're some sort of traitors. We shouldn't expect politicians to always vote the party line anyways. I hate that we only really have 2 parties in the US. Honestly, I don't think there should be parties at all. People should vote the way the people in their area want them to vote. Not the way the party as a whole wants them to vote or some other BS, specifically how that politician's constituents want them to vote.

[@kurtthecat3995]

I agree with you. There should be no political parties. Political parties have become more powerful than the candidates. Political have turned politics into a team sport.

[@undeadarmy19]

@@kurtthecat3995 _I know this comment is a bit long, but I think it's important, and decent enough that it won't be too difficult to keep your attention_ When you really think about it, we have no true democracy in this country, and that is mainly due to our political parties. Sure, we do technically get to go and choose a candidate, but the pool we're able to pick from is entirely out of our control. Technically speaking, anyone who fits the criteria can run for POTUS election. However, we all know that in order to actually have even a REMOTE shot at even being considered, you need to have a LOT of campaign funding so you can put yourself out there. You have to meet certain criteria to be in the debates too, and if you're a random person who cant make it there, you have NOOOO shot. So, these huge parties sort of pick and choose a handful of candidates to run, and many of the companies that heavily lobby these parties donate oodles of money to them for campaigning, and when we go to the primaries to choose who we want, all this carefully selected pool of people is all people truly get to pick from. Then, once we get down to the general election, we're just picking between the winners of those preselected pools of participants. Yes, we do technically get to choose, but all we're truly choosing is which party we support. At this point, it's mainly become this sad spectacle where people treat the political parties like professional sports superteams. It's like a bunch of Green Bay fans and a bunch of Bears/Vikings/Lions fans, where they're blindly supporting and rooting for their "team" while attacking the opposition whenever they can. You especially see this from the left, where you see millions of people sporting the "blue wave" emoji in their handle, along with many other people chanting slogans like "blue no matter who". They don't care about what actually matters anymore, the policies, they just want their "team" to win, which allows them to gloat and rub their victory in their "opponent's" faces. Honestly, it's truly fcking sad at this point. Even when people do talk about the policies, in many cases they haven't actually given it any true thought, they're just blindly supporting whatever "side" their party has told them to support. When they don't support their side, even if it's just a SINGLE issue, ESPECIALLY (almost exclusively) on the left, they're attacked, ridiculed, and sometimes even "canceled" for it. This all goes even further towards proving that it has nothing to actually do with each person truly supporting the policies, the part that actually matters, it's all about just blindly supporting your party. The reasoning is simple, the politicians that control the party want their power and control, and their ability to make money. If they can intimidate people into supporting them, or formulate cult-like thinking and blind, unwavering allegiance to them, this further cements their ability to not just attain the power and influence they want, but to keep it.

[@teddymv343]

@@undeadarmy19 Agreed mate, really wish political parties didn't exist. So many people that vote for those they do now wouldn't if they had a different letter next to their name, and thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. We should be voting for the people based on their character and policies, not the letter next to their name.

[@Charmolution]

Remember when Susan Collins voted not to convict Trump after his first impeachment on the basis of "I think he's learned his lesson, and definitely won't do anything impeachable again"? Yeah, I can't imagine why anyone might not like her.

[@raindasher1464]

Nah this is good, no compromise on our rights with conservatives. (I say this as a gay person)

[@Dadiplomatt23]

So highly refreshing to hear some simple disagreements and pleasant talking points for once. The internet is just usually a nightmare on politics.

[@iblametiki]

Fax

[@thedarkriddler7318]

Its more so accepting tbe fact of truth and lies. Some don't want their delusions destroyed so they turn into a feminist cycstgendered transgender elephant

[@spraynard9529]

@@thedarkriddler7318 you are part of the problem.

[@erck5589]

@@thedarkriddler7318 you’re so far gone ☠️

[@thedarkriddler7318]

@@spraynard9529 part of which problem? Because I dont bend over for people's delusional because they are brainwashed and manipulated by social media so they need to transition to various different invented genders and they share it on social media for self validation... no mate, you are far gone if you believe all that is normal

[@jjfox03]

I tell my students that projecting a political ideology onto history makes for terrible history. Modern politics should be informed by history; history shouldn't be (really can't be) informed by modern politics. I love that you look through history with an attempt to account for your political perspective. I wish we were all more like that.

[@dbsti3006]

How about that 1619 project?

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@dbsti3006 The 1619 project doesn't have a political bias, it was made bias free and then the idiots politicized it. It expounds the truth, and if you disagree, you're objectively wrong. This isn't a matter of debate, there are some questions with correct answers

[@dbsti3006]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 How is it bias free when they're making slavery mistakes the basis, and front and center of the entire founding of this country? Most people understand it as history, but also understand that you have to move on from your mistakes and not make them again. You're not gonna sit here and tell me this isn't a political move to benefit one side, when two years ago, Marxist college students were tearing down civil war statues and desecrated a veteran war memorial on the very basis that since the 1619 project started, it's already in the classrooms making white people feel guilty of things that happened years ago. Now these misled 1619 angstful white people go and destroy the very history that reminds us to not make mistakes again. Who are you kidding guy? That 1619 project is 100% left wing lunacy to the core. If you're left wing, then of course you're not gonna find an issue with it. If you're a free thinker, you'd understand what I'm trying to tell you.

[@dbsti3006]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 The 1619 project creates a perpetual state of division and anger. It takes away their ability to achieve on their own and instead demand that they are always owed something because their ancestors were slaves. Yeah. We get that. They were once slaves. Fine. But this movent is pulling society backwards into a serious problem. The author of the writings is Nicole Hannah Jones. She is a very open and shameless Marxist. So yeah, you can't get more biased than that.

[@MrThemunch]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 so you didn't have much of an argument or what?

[@BLMeredith87]

"Washington and Lincoln in S tier, see? I'm being impartial and central! Right, next, all the democrats in F." 😂

[@Deezhan]

Now I want Ben to upload, "Ben reacts to historian's reaction of Ben Shapiro's presidential tier list".

[@BrandonRandall]

I am a left leaning individual (largely independent) but I really respect your way of conversing political ideology. Civility and not hostility is always the way to go about discussing ideology. Thank you sir.

[@JoeyPastrami]

I agree, I’m also left leaning (though I’ll vote for whoever is upholding freedom and what I see as American values) but I think it’s really unfortunate and sad that we’ve lost a lot of that civility in our society with how the extremes tend to dominate (or at least speak the loudest) conversations/topics like this

[@ryanhickman3335]

@@JoeyPastrami I'd say I'm more right leaning but have a gigantic level of respect for a person on the opposing side that can engage is civil discourse instead of calling me racist, homophobic or sexist with no grounds to call me that

[@somehistorynerd]

@Ryan Hickman, in your same boat

[@connorbranscombe6819]

@@ryanhickman3335 I mean if you vote Republican in the US they have grounds to call you that lmao.

[@ryanhickman3335]

@@connorbranscombe6819 firstly I'm not from the US. Secondly if I was I would vote republican instead of Joe biden next election

[@frazierk300]

This is why i love your channel man you don't let your political biases determine how good or bad a president was. You truly deserve all the recognition you're getting.

[@dolorouspenguin6906]

the biases a person has are always implicated in everything they say or do but I agree that he tries to avoid it as much as possible

[@jordanazevedo5688]

@@dolorouspenguin6906 not to mention is very open on his political views and you can definitely see he does fight those ideas and say those ideas definitely helped the country even if they were his political views

[@bruhmingo]

He’s said many times he does have biases that determine his opinions. Anyone who pretends to be unbiased is lying. What makes him great is he always acknowledges his bias.

[@csquared4538]

@@bruhmingo I am the coolest person ever, I'm never biased.

[@somebodyimportant3490]

Right, and he tries to temper his biases. Shapiro, on the other hand, seems to embrace his biases and only view history through that lens

[@nathanburnham6337]

I really appreciate someone who can hold true to their values yet set it aside and look at things for what they are. Growing up with not many to discuss history with outside of the Internet, a few extra curriculum classes I had taken was one of the most refreshing and redeeming experiences as we openly discussed views civilly in a time that it was almost impossible to find outside of the classroom. I finally seen some faith in humanity 😅

[@leventefarkas6245]

Ben Shapiro is the kind of guy who tells the teacher you are cheating

[@The_Jim]

And you’re the kind of person who plays victim when you get caught doing something wrong 😂

[@MrPipol-nm3cd]

@@The_Jim the problem is, no one was cheating. Shapiro just lied to the teacher because he was bias against you.

[@MrPipol-nm3cd]

Ben Shapiro is the kind of guy who gaslight you for no reason.

[@The_Jim]

@@MrPipol-nm3cd he’s actually honest though. Liars like you always assume everyone else is.

[@user-cg8ut4lt2w]

Which while it makes you mad, it also prevents you from becoming the dumbass that you are now. LOL

[@johan-dm9hl]

it was very pleasant listening to your balanced responses to the guy's opinions. your ability to focus on the historical perspective must make you a great teacher. liked this a lot!

[@daebak7370]

Global financial collapse is being engineered by the agents of satan/nwo to bring about great reset. They want to collapse the dollar and wipe out everyone's finances to make them hungry and desperate enough to buy into their nwo system and recieve the coming mark of beast on hand or forehead. Without this no man can buy or sell. Revelation 13. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Police state/martial law coming soon. Quarantine centers aka concentration camps will be activated around the world from this covid agenda. America will be invaded by russia and china in near future thanks to treasonous us govt. Repent and seek jesus christ for salvation.

[@theawesomeguy9999]

@@daebak7370 save it for church and late night televangelist programs, nobody asked about your religion. Nobody likes copy/pasted spam anyways

[@ataridc]

If Ben could be remotely intellectually honest I could almost respect the guy. He probably is intelligent, but he's so mired in his political bias that he just comes off like a fool.

[@shadeyfang8564]

@@ataridc how is he not an “intellectual”? He always explains his opinions in depth, looks at things from a factual view point and challenges leftists ideas. Leftist ideas are pretty bad and dangerous for society. You calling him “not an intellectual” is just ignorance. You don’t deserve to speak with no facts, so don’t at me, I don’t get notifs.

[@MrThemunch]

@@ataridc bruh the guy explained he's going off his political opinion not historically. He doesn't agree with the politics that were passed and how they effected it. While the historian was explaining how it was good for the time..... Stop being a Lefty who only looks for a gotcha moment. Grow up.

[@tigerweet]

I gotta say that my biggest issue with Ben Shapiro’s ranking is FDR. You said it perfectly with how Ben undersold FDR’s leadership through WW2. It was a huge deal and he led us very well through it and deserves to be ranked much higher for it alone.

[@hazardbros2841]

We're u alive during ww2

[@hoticeparty]

@@hazardbros2841 don't even. That argument is pointless.

[@shaunlevin5081]

@@hazardbros2841 what type of idiotic argument is that? That's like saying that you can't have an opinion on Hitler as you weren't alive in WW2. If anything, someone who was not around back then is a better judge of history as they are not subject to bias nearly as much.

[@shaunlevin5081]

Yeah and a lot of Ben's points are contentious at best. For instance about FDR, he claims that FDR extended the great depression by as much as 8 years and portrays that as a fact when in reality it's a high debated point and I personally find it hard to believe. I can't see the US getting out of the great depression by 1933, just 4 years after it started when most other western nations had to wait until WW2 to get out of it. Although Britain is a bit of an exception, nations like France, Canada, and Australia weren't our of the Great Depression until 1939 when their war time economy helped recover their economies. I don't think 1 study is enough support to say with certainty that the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression. He just seems very biased and trying to sweep FDR's leadership throughout WW2 under the rug makes him very hard to trust.

[@painvillegaming4119]

@@shaunlevin5081 well that history some people have very different opinions on stuff And only the very very worst or best change

[@r.j.amadeus9128]

Haha, Thank you for this, Eisenhower is A for me too, placing Obama with Wilson is obviously based on personal bias and not putting Andrew Johnson in the bottom is insane.. Teddy Roosevelt still deserves a higher Tier, he accomplished way to much positive overall, the Irony was Wilson, but History has shown after a great president we get a bad one, look at who showed up after Lincoln 👀.

[@user-vf9ri2xq4i]

And before Lincoln as well Buchanan was a nightmare

[@justinwoodall461]

I rank the list as mostly trash. FDR and Obama were far better Presidents then Trump. While FDR is also a better President then Reagan.

[@laxeystu8096]

As a British school student studying world war one, you come across Woodrow Wilson and the 14 points, and I don't remember anyone saying he was 'Americas worst president', and in a way he's seen as a visionary in that one sense? Obviously we don't study US presidents in more depth If 'expanding the US government' gets you ranked bottom, then you won't like government in Europe very much

[@theoriginalt-paine3776]

Also, as an aside, it’s pretty cool to see an historian who leans conservative disagree with Shapiro, who is really just a hardcore ideologue, and why. In the age of modern media, which rewards people like Shapiro, it’s nice to be reminded that the bulk of conservatives are actually reasonable people too.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Yeah, I think it's easy for people on either side to start thinking that the majority of people think and act like the really loud people on social media. Most of us on both sides are much more reasonable than that.

[@RRproductions156]

So Shapiro is unreasonable in your opinion?

[@beangobernador]

“civilian deaths fine by me” - real quote from Shapiro

[@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302]

@@beangobernador Citation please.

[@Grandmaster_Dragonborn]

@@beangobernador Sounds out of context too. Please provide a citation as well as the context :D

[@jakubport7361]

I really like that you're able to separate your ideology from discussion and focus solely on policies and presidents. It really shows that you're someone who doesn't tell people what to think but how to think.

[@karerabbe7829]

Lol, he just said himself that rhey shouldnnot be judged by their policies..😂

[@peppermint7152]

As someone who leans left, you seem sane and reasonable, and I appreciate that. I don't agree with all of your takes, but you seem markedly more unbiased than many in recent years. There was a time where politics were far less polarized, where even though I disagreed with most right wing politicians, I still respected them. I miss that. Viewing people within my own country as "the enemy" really is the worst feeling.

[@melodymaker135]

Buchanan and A Johnson were the pits, but AJ is worse because he’d just had Lincoln’s fantastic example and he f’d it all up

[@JoeyPastrami]

I do enjoy how you separated the politics from the history here. I feel like this needs to be done more in our society because it’s ridiculous how bad it’s gotten in recent years

[@spongebobslesserknownbroth9769]

You literally just copied the top comment and changed the second half

[@spiderjerusalem6887]

He didn't, he just inserted his own politics and stated that they were unbiased.

[@mattchavis5621]

This entire comment is kind of silly. Politics has always been ugly. Washington was the last time Americans were 100% in agreement. Political smear campaigns began immediately after. Lifelong friends Jefferson and Adams came to hate each other due to the ugly elections at that time. Then became best of friends again.

[@HAL-vc3of]

Daily Wire is a conservative opinion show

[@FrozeVertex]

@@HAL-vc3of ikr I don’t know why people don’t get that all of daily wire is about politics

[@noahambrose446]

You just earned a sub my friend. We need more unbiased historians. I can't really think of any on the top of my head

[@juuzoucronastrange7321]

History teacher mr terry is unbiased too it a great way too look at things

[@TheMrBlackSanta]

My history teacher will find any progressive candidate in history and call him communist for example: Henry A. Wallace

[@kaushikattuluri2758]

@@juuzoucronastrange7321 also Mr. Beat

[@chriss790]

Everyone is biased in one way or another my friend. The virtue of a professional is to acknowledge the bias ;)

[@juuzoucronastrange7321]

What I mean he Break it down in a unbiased way of course everyone has a opinion or doesn’t care

[@thevaccinator666]

I'm really impressed by anyone who has such extensive knowledge of all the presidents throughout history. It's so cool. How does one aquire all that knowledge? Where is the best place to get a clear look at the actions and progression of presidents from before our lifetime?

[@EB-bl6cc]

Good question (I dont know, myself). It really seems like 99% of sources are incredibly biased so I guess you have to just look at the most concrete facts that aren't disputed by either side and try to make rough judgments based on that. But even so.. good luck

[@thevaccinator666]

@@EB-bl6cc Okay.

[@floop5734]

Take a college course or something

[@toastedsandwichman5111]

I read something like 50 biographies

[@thevaccinator666]

@@toastedsandwichman5111👍

[@datdude15]

Thank you for that opening segment speaking on assumptions based off labels. Its refreshing to hear someone explain that to everyone

[@Xman-0124]

There’s still time to change the title to “Historian DESTROYS Shapiro’s tier list with facts and logic.”

[@Kriegter]

OWNED!!!

[@StarscreamTrueDecepticonLeader]

@@abrahamlincoln937 so?

[@C0rruptionSilence]

@@abrahamlincoln937 That just says that Ben Shapiro is more popular and influential than VTH (Chris)

[@abrahamlincoln937]

@@C0rruptionSilence Well Shapiro has been on KZbin longer than Vlogging through History.

[@untruelie2640]

@@abrahamlincoln937 That still doesn't mean that he is right about anything.

[@aydenthrilkill2151]

You are a legend! You are able to cut the ties between History and Politics, expose the fantastical show that history is, and the crazy show that is modern politics. You deserve any kind of award for your work

[@garethfarman9540]

Totally agree with you on this.

[@TrvisXXIII]

First time I actually appreciated the constant pauses for commentary, loved what you had to say

[@TheNoobzoid]

Obama in F and Trump in B lol jokes.

[@LolLol-cj1eo]

If you think it’s a joke, give your reasons

[@austinrutledge2935]

Obama should be F

[@dyllibungus]

Emotionally charged opinion

[@Willingtomb]

I think the word war or even the word migration is enough to understand it, ironically Trump wasn't what you all expected in 2015 about those topics.

[@isaiahayers1550]

​​@@LolLol-cj1eoreasons are great and all but if you were ranking world leaders and you ranked Lincoln ahead of Stalin or Mao, would you really need to give the reason why? Trump is self evidently bad in about as many ways as one can imagine. He was/is a fire hose of scandals, he debased the Presidency with his vile rhetoric, his unprecedented, non-stop lying and childish name calling, he flip-flopped any time it was politically convenient, he has no attention span so he couldn't even take in his daily Presidential Briefs and spent his entire days watching Fox News, he publicly taunted North Korea with all his stupid "little rocket man" idiocy, he lost the country's credibility by walking away from the Paris Climate Agreement and the Iran Nuclear Deal, he allowed hundreds of thousands of excess deaths by his disastrous "leadership" during the pandemic, he skirted rules and norms by inserting flunkies in "acting" capacities long term to avoid Senate confirmation, flooded courts with unqualified judges, got Roe overturned, gave massive tax cuts to gigantic corporations to perform stock buy backs and to the mega wealthy, he separated children from their parents with glee, stoked racism, xenophobia and conspiracy theories, cozied up to Putin, Erdogan and every other strongman dictator, he tore the country apart and caused the epidemic of election denialism that's threatening democracy in this country, etc., etc. etc. I could go on all day. Obama led us out of the Great Recession for the longest sustained economic growth ever, got millions more Americans health care while slowing the acceleration of healthcare prices, even though Republicans negotiated down some of the benefits of the ACA, he had a scandal free personal life and term (apart from the tan suit), he conducted himself with grace and humor, presided over the capture and killing of Bin Laden, gave undocumented children a pathway to citizenship, and yes, ramped up drone strikes, which was a definite mistake, but that also continued under Trump. In no universe is there even any debate as to whether Trump could possibly be within 2 tiers of Obama, let alone ranked above him. If Trump isn't the worst President ever, he's absolutely in the bottom 3. Stupid, incurious, childish, ignorant, divisive, dangerous, authoritarian, hateful, racist, arrogant, vile, petty, narcissistic, vindictive, dishonest to the extreme, and lazy. Edit: corrected a typo

[@RushitTahiri]

Shapiro put Trump & bush Jr. higher then FDR, JFK, Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, & Eisenhower. What a joke 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TheJudoJoker]

I think the worst aspects of Trump in hindsight are going to be his foreign policy. His rhetoric was pretty cringey and I oppose much of his domestic policy, but Constitutional safeguards prevented most of the damage. His erratic behavior with allies and weakness towards authoritarians are actions that cannot be easily undone.

[@thatguyliam6506]

You got to remember that Ben really focused on his political bias here and Ben likes to do things on the extreme wether they did good or not he won’t rank them high just for that reason and when you put it in that realm of possibility his ranking makes sense wether you agree or not with his reasoning

[@abrahamlincoln937]

Shapiro ranked Truman higher than Bush 43.

[@IIBloodXLustII]

FDR only does well on the leadership in the War. His domestic policy was horrific in almost every way. Teddy should have been equal to Trump. JFK wasn't as great as people remember and is romanticized because of his assassination. Eisenhower should have been higher. Truman is probably lower than he should be but I can't argue with his position honestly. Trump was definitely his own worst enemy. If he kept his mouth shut and just let his policy speak for him he'd have easily won the 2020 election. EDIT: Actually thinking about it, Eisenhower would be the worst offender here. He should have been A or S tier.

[@glhmedic]

@@IIBloodXLustII teddy equal to trump? Lol smh

[@superlegoman2003]

As a leftist who does not like Ben Shapiro, I appreciate your unbiased look at this as a conservative. You realize that people can be conservative or be progressive and not agree with every thing other ppl in that group say.

[@Krawnbundungle]

Video is good, comment section is rough lol

[@austro1675]

>leftist

[@theman44ful]

Agreed

[@colton2680]

@@austro1675 ok and?

[@johnnyb175]

Same here. I tried my best to avoid this video but the youtube algorithm kept pushing it on me. Im so glad I watched it. This solidified in my mind that Chris is fundamentally a very reasonable person, regardless of political disagreements I have.

[@mar3869]

My respect for Shapiro plummeted on his positions on JFK, Nixon and Eisenhower. Those were all good presidents.

[@michaelhopper7476]

Nixon wasn’t hard enough on China, plus he lied about Watergate which had he been upfront about from the beginning he prob doesn’t get impeached. I agree however that he shouldn’t be a F id prob put him in the C

[@mikecaruso5448]

Nixon? War on Drugs? Watergate? I guess we have different opinions on what makes a good president

[@AhhhhSHITitsDavey]

Don't really understand how you had much respect for him to begin with.

[@jordancantrell..]

Educate yourself on the Watergate scandal

[@Dctctx]

No they were not

[@darthtyruun]

You habe earned yourself subscriber my friend love this video.

[@curtiscox6469]

New to the channel. I'm a fan now. I'm so annoyed by modern partisanship that I don't like to identify with any party; only specific issues. but I really appreciate your ability to see the whole picture.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Welcome, Curtis!

[@LarsVilksIsAwesome]

"I don't identify with any party but I'm gonna identify as someone who leans hard right" ok buddy. 👍

[@darrenzb_8980]

@@LarsVilksIsAwesome He never said that though. Although it is true that most self-identified independents still lean at least slightly to the left or right

[@C4SEYWY]

@@LarsVilksIsAwesome calm down Lars

[@epsilon3252]

Privileged white guy beloning to the ststus quo posturing about ideological purity.

[@andrewjohnson7566]

When I was in college I had a great Professor that would joke around calling me the worst president in history. I always had a laugh but most people didn’t understand how awful of a president he was.

[@alexratzloff894]

Andrew Johnson is the worst President? I agree.

[@johnv5827]

ahhh I see you share a name with him. I was confused I thought you were pretending to be him xD

[@PhatBastard4677]

​@johnv5827 man's just getting incredibly racist towards black students on campus 💀💀

[@noskills5874]

W joke

[@Touhou-forever]

FDR treatment of Japanese Americans was not only wrong but also completely inhuman and completely goes against goes against the idea that America isn't like Nazi Germany

[@knuckleheadwestwind3585]

I think the over idealizing of one’s political beliefs hinders us and our political culture. Different approaches to problems come with strengths and weaknesses. There is no “one right way” to run a country, it is important to leave policy strategies on the table, and to not be too narrow minded.

[@mynamesair]

full bias aside, I think Polk is a largely under-rated president. He did everything he promised to do, which is something that should be highly admired.

[@medexamtoolsdotcom]

Are you serious? The jackass that started the mexican american war? He can barely be underrated even in a comparison to Hitler. And he got approval for the war through deception.

[@Enjoyinglife82420]

And just did one term like promise. But… slavery issue.

[@MG-zk9pc]

Polk is ok but he gets really bad marks by most historians because of how he got us into the Mexican American War.

[@fuzzyglory]

I don’t agree with Polk’s politics, but I love how he had 4 goals, did the 4 goals in 1 term, didn’t run for a second term, and died 16 months after leaving office

[@alexanderthegreat5649]

@@fuzzyglory Your comment can be kinda confusing but are you also glad Polk died just 16mths after leaving office? Lol that's how it reads.

[@ttamdude]

Hello sir. I’ve been watching for a very long time (about 5k subs) and this may be my first time commenting… I just want to say that I really appreciate your ability to communicate your stance concisely and without accusation. I self identify somewhere between conservative and libertarian but it’s so difficult to find anyone that’s able to hold a conversation on “sensitive” topics without resorting to personal attacks. I for one deeply appreciate your character and poise and love to see your success. I’m sorry I don’t comment more often, but this video made me realize the above. Much love and a wish for continued success from Wisconsin.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Thank you Matthew!

[@starshooter7128]

@@VloggingThroughHistory question: what would modern america look like if every single president was an S tier rankiing?

[@unoriginalcontent237]

@@starshooter7128 we would have won Vietnam Afghanistan China would be capitalist Russia would be a US puppet

[@fentanaly]

@@unoriginalcontent237 sounds like a dream

[@unoriginalcontent237]

@@fentanaly yeah

[@connorh6183]

I lean liberal relative to modern America politics but I swear my KZbin algorithm thinks I am very far right lol. I guess I am generally more interested in what people have to say who think differently than me. Either way I really enjoyed this video and it demonstrated something that I wish would make a comeback - actual politics involved in political discussions 😂. Sometimes it seems like all "political" discussions in America are highly divisive in nature this very unproductive. People calling each other names and exchanging insults seems to have replaced good natured attempts at discussion it is really sad to see.

[@jahcode6132]

The greatest teacher I've ever had was a history teacher at community college. It was 8 years ago now but sometimes I watch engaging history videos and it brings back the love of history that Mr. Brewer sparked in me through his passion and talents in communication. Thanks for making this.

[@itsthecomcom1519]

What community college?

[@mageic7001]

Okay?

[@jahcode6132]

A year later I'm seeing this comment and I have no idea why I wrote that essay. I was probably high or something.@@mageic7001

[@88mphDrBrown]

Mr. Brewer from MCC???

[@jahcode6132]

yeah@@88mphDrBrown

[@qpickz]

Ben Shapiro playing down liberal presidents greatest feats and just throwing them in F tier is comedy lmao. "only good thing FDR did was his leadership in the biggest war in human history"

[@areafurrynone1913]

Dude his video on Barbie has irrevocably changed the way I see him. He’s another man baby that throws a tantrum because he can’t comprehend the idea that not everything has to adhere to those “Perfect Western Values”. He’s ironically one of the biggest snowflakes ever.

[@legendarywiimaster]

And he puts Bush OUTSIDE F tier

[@madgavin7568]

Its hypocritical because Ben would be signing Winston Churchill's praises for his leadership during WW2 simply because Churchill was a Conservative. Both Churchill and FDR's wartime leadership is the strongest aspect of their legacies and should be rightly praised. Even if you disagree with FDR's policies, putting him in F-tier is laughable.

[@benaffleckisanokayactor]

@@legendarywiimaster Bush is C

[@scott91575]

He blames Obama for the debt while Reagan increased the debt way more than Obama on a percentage basis and Trump increased the debt almost as much as Obama but in 4 fewer years (Obama $7.6 Trillion to Trump's $6.7 Trillion). In fact Obama raised the debt less than Bush on percentage basis. The Republicans that bracketed Obama made the debt worse than Obama but Shapiro blames deficit spending on Obama. Just pure fiction. In the end Shapiro is simply a propagandist with no rational thoughts and that means he will be full of hypocrisy. It's barely worth discussing what he thinks.

[@ADT1995]

I would put Obama in the B category and I'm a conservative (but not a Republican). I disagree with a lot of his policies but he wasn't a bad president overall, plus despite opposing it on the campaign trail in 2008 he did do a lot for the LGBT community, and you can't just brush that aside.

[@lordhegamonster6931]

Obama is Gay, literally 😂

[@athangeddes7995]

Thats a good thing?😂😂

[@ADT1995]

@@athangeddes7995 Absolutely, I need a better reason than someone's sex life to oppress or hate someone. I'd need a damn good reason to do so at all. I value my liberty, and I value liberty for all Americans regardless of creed, voting record, race, sexual orientation, place of birth, or any other factor. It is only when that liberty is threatened when I become hostile (such as terrorism or tyranny, whether motivated by religion or political ideology). "One Republic, under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." I took that oath seriously.

[@athangeddes7995]

@@ADT1995 fair enough, but i also believe he lit the spark that started the discourse/ideology that is tearing at the fabric of society, truth, and objectivism. The ideology that is a major ingredient in the recipe that is leading to the fall of the west.

[@areafurrynone1913]

@@ADT1995You sir have helped restore my faith in conservatives in this country

[@slares111]

Its almost impossible to divorce your politics from ranking the Presidents , at least since the 20th century.

[@theweebcurrentlyknownaszec2232]

I believe when Ben Shapiro criticizes the "expansionism" of presidents, he is referring to the expansion of the federal government rather than expanding the country by adding states or territories to the union.

[@spa2damax]

He shouldn't use words he doesn't understand. He's a columnist mascerading as an intellectual.

[@uni4rm]

@@spa2damax words have more than one meaning. Maybe you should learn that before talking.

[@renlevy411]

@@spa2damax What a Columnist?

[@cjstats1514]

Yet he put Lincoln that high. How is Lincoln not expanding the fed gov.

[@jonahkeeton3206]

@@spa2damax lol *masquerade* Shapiro is a columnist, author, and an intellectual. Have you never seen any of his debates or seminars?

[@jwilburn4712]

One of the biggest mistakes of "war hawks" who never even put on a uniform is that they are so gung ho about going to war without realizing the cost. IKE was a soldier who saw first hand the horrors of war that motivated his progressive policies of peace (Sherman's quote "War is hell). As a conservative Kansan I proudly and understandably give Eisenhower a pass

[@sorsocksfake]

It's not necessarily the case - plenty of generals become the "if all you have is a hammer" stereotype. But it's definitely a factor for the good ones. For the commander-in-chief it's certainly a good attribute that he can say "I'm not asking you to do anything, that I haven't done myself".Truman and Eisenhower have a lot to answer for in how they acted when it turned out you can't trust the USSR... but they also had a damn good reason.

[@JayBee2Fya]

Do ur research on what Eisenhower did to the Congo. He single handedly murdered that country that was so full of promise. He was not a good man, but a greedy one

[@sidiqabdul-kareem5544]

Yeah. It’s why I always thought George W Bush, “Bring ‘em on” statement to be annoying. This was a guy who dodged fighting the Viet Nam war, but could casually make those kind of statements when it involved other people’s lives. A coward.

[@ThatFalloutGod]

@@sidiqabdul-kareem5544 Seeing as though the military draft is a morally and ethically questionable concept to begin with, and that the draft implemented for the Vietnam War was undeniably an immoral and unethical thing to do, how the hell do you square people saying, "Yea, I'm not fucking going to war because a bunch of politicians wanna make money and fucked over Ho Chi Min,"? Honestly anyone who cares about people "draft dodging" are hypocrites at best. We're not talking about the idea of defending your own country from an invasion, we're talking about going thousands of miles away because politicians are greedy and stupid.

[@sidiqabdul-kareem5544]

@@ThatFalloutGod I agree with you wholeheartedly. I was just tying it with the “Bring ‘em on” comment by Bush.

[@bilalmahmood5674]

You were so calm for such an insane list lol

[@DGregster]

While I agree with most of Ben's rankings I think it's really weird we don't have a D tier. Also you came from a much more moderate perspective than Ben does. Good on you for calling out some of the hypocrisy. I like Ben but sometimes he fails to see things from a broader perspective.

[@G7130]

I love how Ben praises Reagan for Star Wars program that never actually come to anything and passes over his horrible war on Drugs.

[@guidoluzzi66]

And how he ignored the AIDS epidemic, the Iran contra scandal

[@brianhogg358]

Or the whole October Surprise thing.

[@zom-b4237]

That’s because Shapiro is party over country and doesn’t know a thing about history. Shapiro is a cherry-picker.

[@ZebulaJams]

I agree. It seems that a lot of faults of the Reagan administration were looked over in lieu of it being one of the major turning points for American Conservatism.

[@microsoftspam]

Didn't he also destabilize working unions?

[@joebeecher2251]

Ben: I am not biased Proceeds to put all the Democrats into F

[@LordSinister_]

I agree but 4 of them weren't in F

[@drSvensen]

As a non American I was surprised to learn that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

[@doge8825]

@@drSvensen if he was alive today, he’d be a democrat

[@mrlanda3427]

@@doge8825 this is true. The republican party was what is now known as Democrats. They weirdly switched names sometime in the late 19th century

[@drSvensen]

@@doge8825 Then didn't Ben kinda put a democrat in S tier?

[@eliteplier]

Theodore Roosevelt beeing in C tier like a "man" like George bush is not fair

[@UOI_Official]

My friends at school bullied me for looking like Ben Shapiro. Like what?

[@gregorio7945]

I had to represent Woodrow Wilson in a debate for my government class. I was convinced by my research that he was a decent president. The internet doesn’t really show how crappy he was.

[@Frazier16]

It does if you look hard enough

[@gregorio7945]

@@Frazier16yes. It does. But apparently I didn’t look hard enough. 😂

[@tylerwood6506]

I had to represent Wilson in a debate in 8th grade… I got crushed lol

[@ulikemykungfu3995]

Woodrow Wilson played the first movie in the White House called the north of a nation. The movie about the KKK.

[@donfully]

since you had to represent him your search key words probably geared you toward favorable look at his presidency and history. my guess

[@LegendaryCWL]

Ben purposely didn't mention The Iraq War when talking about Bush since he was such a vocal supporter of it. That catastrophe alone makes Bush one of the worst presidents in American history.

[@chibiemo100]

He's Pro Israel of course he supports the invasion of Iraq

[@watching7721]

@@chibiemo100 and he's Jewish, so it makes sense he's pro-Israel

[@IsaRican810]

He also didn’t mention the AIDS crisis when talking about Reagan

[@Leviathan268]

@@IsaRican810 No mention of Iran-Contra happening under the Reagan administration is inexcusable as well.

[@legendarywiimaster]

It’s because Ben is a conservatard

[@Xposthmous]

The best way to judge a President is how the county is when he left relative to when he started.

[@RR-in7do]

Social security: the most popular program in the United States Shapiro: You get an F

[@ashton9792]

I mean its destroying this country financially soo......

[@ashton9792]

its lead to much of our 50 trillion dollars in debt almost

[@DKD81-tf1db]

​@@ashton9792 The Social Security program has NOTHING to do with the National Debt. Source: Ronald. Reagan.

[@nicholasbarber3600]

Social security is putting gen z as slaves. We will never reap that and could retire comfortably if we could invest it ourselves

[@lololol40241]

Viewing people discuss about politics with decent respect to others is never found...except on this channel. Great to be one part of this community

[@namejeff9757]

nice pfp

[@dennypetrosian8589]

I am actually looking forward to this even more so now. Not a fan of Shapiro, but your ideas and outlook is what matters here.

[@untruelie2640]

My thoughts exactly.

[@abrahamlincoln937]

Yeah Shapiro is terrible on foreign policy.

[@factoverfiction4699]

He's lost when it comes to anything involving Israel (bias). But he's had good stuff to say on the ongoing conflict in Ukraine thus far.

[@shovknight3008]

@@factoverfiction4699 Yeah. I personally despise him but that’s definitely true.

[@marinewillis1202]

@@shovknight3008 I disagree with a lot of what he says but he is right a whole hell of a lot on things even when i disagree with them.

[@patrickt601]

As a german i find it very interresting how wilson is seen in the us, because in german school we just learn about him in relation to the first world war and his 14 points and is portayed more positive

[@georgeleslie7307]

Dude was racist as hell. Search, “First Motion Picture played at the White House.”

[@jayjackson8577]

Jimmy Carter was VERY ineffective. But, he did have a balanced budget. Super smart. I could never have put him in the F category

[@vojtechkubinek6650]

As a Czech, I can say that in my country Wilson is one of the most loved presidents of USA, mostly because thanks to his agitation at the Paris peace conference that helped create the independent state of Czechoslovakia. Even the capital of today's Slovakia has in 1919 declared itself a free city, named itself the Wilson's city and try to become part of the US.

[@lmaocetung]

Ano

[@almercool5]

it's so interesting to see which president are most loved in other countries, in Bosnia it's Bill Clinton

[@abrahamlincoln937]

I think that Wilson was a mediocre president.

[@sirnetflix7162]

@@abrahamlincoln937 His racism is just so bad that I can’t look past it.

[@abrahamlincoln937]

@@sirnetflix7162 Agreed, that is one of my criticisms of Wilson as president. I think that the positives and negatives of Wilson even out, which is why I think that he is a mediocre president.

[@SLevinCinema]

Seems people forget that "conservative" and "liberal" aren't tied to Republican and Democrat. Also, we really need more than two parties.

[@oslaf3323]

Growing up in Italy in the 90s and 2000s, my (and my family's) main complaint at the time was that there were too many parties and nothing would ever get done because of coalitions that couldn't agree on big issues. Moving to the UK in the late 00s with its 2-party system was a breath of fresh air. I agree with you that we need a more nuanced approach, but I would only want it implemented in a way that actually works and moves a country forward.

[@SLevinCinema]

@@oslaf3323 Well, we have two now and it's wreaking havoc on us, IMHO. I surmise somewhere between two parties and Italy there is the correct amount.

[@SLevinCinema]

@@nickclark5023 People are more nuanced than "A or B", which is what a 2 party system leads to. It cannot possibly represent everyone well enough. Not sure how we could possible get more divided than where we are now with the current system. It's quite literally split us in half politically.

[@SLevinCinema]

@@nickclark5023 Then why do all Republicans seem to fall "in line" so well with each other even when they have those nuances? It's them choosing party allegiance over their own opinions. They COULD form a new party that actually aligned with them or they can sell themselves out. It's a shame, really.

[@MrVomikron]

The system of government of the US doesn't lend itself to more than two parties.

[@Mustapha1963]

What I would love to see you do is to react to a Progressive historian/political commentator's ranking of Presidents. Now you might have done so, I have no idea, so, if you've done this then please feel free to disregard my request.

[@cococonlin170]

37:47 Could the numbers have anything to do with the amount of legislation reaching the President's desk?

[@99wins31]

Ben Shapiro: Obama is F Tier because he created a lasting divide in American Politics Also Ben Shapiro: **puts Trump in B tier** Edit: Came back 8 months later and what have I created

[@timothymoran2337]

Well, you've got to understand that Shapiro is a measly, whinny, ultra-right conservative who would love to destroy our system of government and replace it with a Trump autocracy, who seems to be a mix of Hitler, El Duce, and Hugh Hefner.

[@ronktheponk]

Trump is arguably the most polarizing president except perhaps Jackson

[@shanekajohnson1320]

Right

[@faxify-and-capify]

Trump did good until he had is little riot thing

[@jonathandevereaux7679]

But Trump didn't create the divide, the media attacked him from day 1 and he is just a New Yorker so he defends himself. Every time I hear "Trump did or said this" I look it up and it's taken way out of context. Like the good people on both sides (he said except the white supremacists who he condemns totally) drink bleach (he didn't say drink bleach he was talking about research being done on a disinfecting light, because not all disinfectants are bleach) the capital crap (he said go and peacefully/patriotically protest and this wasn't to overturn the election, this was to send the votes back to the states that were having issues and fix the issues).

[@philliplarose8570]

Actually surprised to see Ben gave Grant such a high ranking. Glad history is finally re-evaluating what a normal man in extra-ordinary circumstances can accomplish.

[@jakubbarton1770]

man the guy put FDR in F tier

[@jamesrawlins735]

@@jakubbarton1770 To be honest you could flip FDR and Grant

[@NightgerbilTV]

@@jakubbarton1770 I mean I agree with F: and I DONT think his ww2 leadership was great either! He basically allowed the USARMY and USNavy rivalry to force america into a 2 prong strategy in the pacific, ignoring the strategic principle of concentration of force and this nearly brought the USA to disaster that it would never have recovered from. More then once. Now add his policy with Stalin was "I'll give you everything and ask for nothing and then you'll feel obliged to help me out give me what I want... " reciprocity? from JOESPH STALIN? the man whose famous quote is "gratitude is a dogs disease" Like are you senile? This is before we look at the great depression, which was caused by a liquidity crisis ie not enough money in the system. The way you fix that is you print 10 billion dollars and spend it. Build roads.. the hoover dam... homeless crisis? build millions of governemnt houses. Farms are being foreclosed on by banks wiping out small farmers and leaving a food crisis? buy out the mortages and just cancel them. Here you go, your not being evicted any more oh and by the way heres a $1000 to invest in new farm equipment so you don't go into hock again. thats not what he did though... he made it worse! he sterilised the gold inflows into the united states, reduced the money supply and let the farmers get brankrupt en mass.

[@swapode]

​@@NightgerbilTV The New Deal to this day is the best set of policies in the history of the US by pretty much any measure. Ranking Roosevelt low is ridiculous.

[@derekrequiem4359]

@@NightgerbilTV FDR is still regularly ranked in the top 3 among both historians *AND* the general public. You can type long KZbin comments hating him all you want, but doing so won't change facts. 😊

[@lancemckee6905]

This tier system is used in gaming and usually stops at D and excludes F.

[@dumbcow1]

I wish more people knew more of Coolidge. He is in my top 3 presidents. Yet people hardly know anything of him.

[@kylemellon6959]

Imagine being so tied to a political ideology that FDR hits your F.

[@samuelprince8332]

Dude chill everyone has their biases. Don’t expect everyone to be more moderate in politics like you.

[@futuregohan2398]

@@samuelprince8332 Why are you saying chill, he made a very normal comment.

[@samuelprince8332]

@@futuregohan2398 it’s just a simple way to say relax… is there a big deal ? I didn’t mean like chill (in a way of stopping someone from getting angry) Do you think I was way to harsh ?

[@drewcross9927]

@@samuelprince8332 whoa whoa calm down. No need to react so extremely. Dude was just presenting his viewpoint. No need to jump down his throat.

[@samuelprince8332]

@@drewcross9927 lol 😂 you guys are just perceiving it a aggressive… but when I typed it I didn’t try to be aggressive I thought I was just using chill as in relax.

[@CYMotorsport]

33:23 he was speaking favorably in that instance. That was what he liked about his policy - the expansion of US territory

[@joebenson528]

The difference between Rossovelt and the other "expansiomists" is He intervened through hard power, whereas the others purchased territory. There's a huge difference between the two. And the Louisiana purchase ended up being the single greatest purchase in US history. Making us self sufficient in resources.

[@CYMotorsport]

@@joebenson528 I’m simply addressing his confusion re: Shapiro’s comment and how it was praise not criticism. You can have whatever opponents you’d like on expansion.

[@Schnidler]

not his fault Bens rhetoric is so absolutely retarded that he cant even get that across

[@jdp6721]

The expansion of borders vs expansion of government control are two very different things. I am not quite sure how someone can conflate the two.

[@stepladder3257]

Opinions on Miami GP??

[@coleb4u]

How do i watch just bens video?

[@oliviabrownvlogs204]

one thing i loved that Mr. Beat said in his video about why GW is still his favorite president was that we have to also consider the times that they were in. We can obviously agree that certain systems in place were not great, but we still need to consider mindsets and how they ran the the country as a whole and their policies obviously. Even then it’s hard to judge morals of our times over morals from the 1800s or even 10 years ago.

[@peppermint3808]

Ya, like pretty sure George Washington had slaves.....so wouldn't that make him an F because he was literally a slave owner and loved slaves?

[@miladasadi3374]

You made a great point. Placing Obama at the same level as Wilson is letting your political leanings overcome your judgment.

[@AdamS-nv5oo]

And call Obama out for dividing country and ignoring Trump's divisiveness.

[@solusgamer164]

Obama is in the D category... not in the same as Wilson, but since there's no D he's in the F since Ben rates him lower than a C president.

[@solusgamer164]

@@AdamS-nv5oo , the divide in the country along racial and class lines happened under Obama. The divisiveness under Trump was a media phenomenon. In other words you see a greater rise in minority support under Trump for the GOP as whole, all the while the media is calling him a racist. It's also very telling when the current administration is losing minority support to levels that are unprecedented for the Democrat party.

[@AdamS-nv5oo]

@@solusgamer164 yawn. Right racism didn't exist before Obama and trump getting small bump in black vote. Apparently you forgot Trump calling parts of America shit holes. Blame everything in democrats, threaten to lock them up, etc. If you can't see that there is no point to discuss further

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@@solusgamer164 I agree.

[@Jaxsonn-ph4ey]

i havent found a history channel that i can binge watch… until yours. Great video!

[@wanderlking8634]

The ignored truth about Vietnam is that it goes back to Eisenhower sending "advisors" there. But everyone acts like Ike is perfect or something.

[@bellomitis1881]

FYI... I think Ben didn't make his tier system (he's using Tiermaker), thus missing D is no fault of his own.

[@ryandeanandersen]

He is responsible for his wife missing D😅 😂

[@deepak6043]

If the conservatives like you were louder than the conservatives like Ben Shapiro (likewise on the left) our democracy would be in a much better place.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Agree completely.

[@abrahamlincoln937]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Shapiro is an establishmentarian conservative which is why I don’t like him.

[@crusader2112]

@@abrahamlincoln937 Agreed.

[@abrahamlincoln937]

@@crusader2112 Hey, I remember you from Monsieur Z!

[@crusader2112]

@@abrahamlincoln937 Yeah, you too. Good to see. When you say you’re a liberal, do you mean a Classical Liberal?

[@lrock2260]

i wish more people had the same mindset of this guy-conservative or liberal, it’s about what’s best for the country, not what we as individuals may personally agree or disagree with

[@unbearablysmug2437]

So liberal

[@waltuhgoodman3427]

@@aggromemnon335 nice flag

[@jaydencrews2707]

@@unbearablysmug2437 you're not funny

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

@@unbearablysmug2437 come on dude.

[@unbearablysmug2437]

@@pleaseenteraname1103 r/woosh

[@Pheminon1]

When Ben was going on and on about Lincoln, it just screamed "I'm not racist! I love Lincoln!" He does this a lot throughout the video where it's very clear he has MAJOR biases for his own political leaning, but he's trying to sprinkle in "Oh, but this president I hate DID do some small good things here and there" because if he didn't he KNOWS he would be lambasted. He's trying to be a fence sitter to not grossly upset either sides. He throwing soft balls for his own side while going hard in the paint on democrats, but then sprinkling in the "But he's not ALL bad". Very weird on why he even structured this video like this. The video is just very odd

[@hootscooter1075]

I will say I think Obama won because of his skin color . As a kid In school we had a youth vote all the kids two schools our elementary and the high school next door voted Obama because “He’ll be the first black president in history” they didn’t tell us about what the candidates policies were even tho a few of us wanted to know. The main reason was his color and how it’ll show how much America has changed towards African Americans. And the news wasn’t that much different, yes as an 8yr old I watched the news in the morning it was the only thing I was allowed to watch before school, and what did they talk about well they voiced how excited they were to be having an African American candidate and how it was such a big deal almost like their trying to direct the masses towards Obama. I thought it was weird even the opposite party talked about how it was such a big deal. Making the masses feel obliged to make history.

[@ryankelly257]

Yeah you left out how the Bush administration used 9/11 to invade Iraq and completely lie to the public about weapons of mass destruction. Which resulted in thousands of US soldiers deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians deaths. Also, Bush’s drive for home ownership fueled the housing bubble. Basically, the American public were not in favor of having another republican president.

[@parallaxninja456]

I'm honestly proud to be an American where we all agree Washington and Lincoln were the best presidents we've had. Two individuals who actually care about the people of our country

[@joeroganreal]

I appreciate the Andrew Johnson hate. I feel that he often gets overlooked. Imo he is much worse than Buchanan was. I feel as though there’s no bigger traitor in presidential history. What an awful president

[@ThunderRod]

what did he do?

[@raliamrani2803]

@@ThunderRod Strongly opposed Federal rights for Black Americans

[@ThunderRod]

@@raliamrani2803 oh

[@gary6576]

@@ThunderRod also his whole native American policy

[@sekokhan5307]

Trump

[@brookamos5787]

For those critical of Silent Cal because of his impassivity when it came to his style of governing, bear in mind that the problem with so many other presidents happens to be the very thing Coolidge was never concerned with; his legacy. Too many presidents make it obvious that that is their prevailing interest. In my mind it is one of the worst reasons to want to become president. Concentrating on your legacy makes it about you personally and not what's best for the country. I know it requires a major ego to reach the pinnacle of pinnacles, but balancing it with what's in the best interest of the body you are intending to serve is what separates the greats from the not so greats.

[@scambammer6102]

The Declaration of Independence is NOT part of the Constitution in any way, shape or form. Even the current half-wits on SCOTUS know that. But not Ben Shapiro lol. Oh and I see he doesn't know what "Federalist" means either. Sorry, I have no time for listening to morons. Bye.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

I’m not so much critical of Cal himself, just Shapiro’s fanwank on him.

[@jackalope_hunter]

@@Justanotherconsumer Dude, what?

[@fishjj76]

Crime was rampant during the Coolidge administration because he refused to take action to either enforce prohibition or ammend the Volstead Act. He coasted on a debt driven prosperity that sowed the seeds of the Great Depression. He didn't cause the Great Depression but his administration must bear responsibility for the consequences of its policies.

[@thesecondlemming2619]

It’s why Gerald R. Ford is one of my personal favorite presidents, because yes we can Monday morning quarterback and say he should have bailed out NYC or this and that, but he took over presidency from a control freak and he brought with him alot of passivity. People made fun of him and his clumsiness but I think that’s what the country needed after Nixon

[@rickpartlow534]

I felt like Shapiro was saying that the fact Roosevelt was expansionist was a good thing, though it wasn't clear from how he phrased it.

[@chaelmavik]

I love this channel. This is like a safespace where people can discuss things in an educated manner, while also understanding biases. Really hard to find anywhere.

[@restlessnation]

Its really refreshing to see someone just give a shit about what happened whether or not it aligns with their political philosophy. I think a secret part of American strength is how flexible and capable of adaptive our political structure has been to problems. Certain situations might require a stronger central government while others might benefit from a weaker one, neither one is superior to the other until context is applied, and context constantly changes.

[@gd-lockc7618]

@@davemarshall9322 it’s always meant that, problem is as with many other things, sensationalists demonized it. And turned it into some “liberal woo talk” when that’s not what it ever was.

[@ChorizoFungis]

Nerd

[@somehistorynerd]

@Barack Obama, what’s your last name?

[@person3070]

@@somehistorynerd care Obamacare

[@zeeshanhz_gaming8538]

Hi Chris! I love how your doing these more modern topics. I feel like most of your audience is open enough to not hate you for your political beliefs. And I personally share your conservative beliefs, even if you were a liberal I wouldn’t let that change my opinion of you as a person. I think your a very knowledgeable person who’s passionate about history and I respect that a lot.

[@professorwhat2704]

I think he was wise to avoid more modern and more controversial things for a while. It gave a chance for him to establish himself and earn respect. Now that it's earned and a standard has been set for the community, it works. Another positive sign of growth.

[@jaxonbaker2106]

Look at Mr Beat, while I disagree with him on things, he’s still a fantastic guy and told me facts about people I never even knew existed.

[@MrIrrelevant58]

@@jaxonbaker2106 I've wondered, is Mr. Beat a conservative? I can't tell.

[@rudybrooks7624]

​@@MrIrrelevant58 He's pretty bipartisan but he definitely leans left on a lot of issues, either way most of his videos are informative and not really opinion based

[@MrIrrelevant58]

@@rudybrooks7624 That's why I like him. I remember him saying he disliked Socialism so I confused on where he leant. Thanks.

[@channelxnewsteam]

Loved this

[@josephross7936]

How do you rank William Henry Harrison (who died in 30 days). Honestly, you ranking him as a General in the war of 1812.

[@TheSpiritOfTheTimes]

Hell of Presidents is by far the best podcast on U.S. presidents I've ever heard, nothing compares.

[@thetf8142]

I agree with his S tier, but man… Ben is being really politically biased, and this is coming from a conservative FDR should never be in F tier

[@wyatt430]

FDR's legacy has been catastrophic for American politics

[@thetf8142]

@@wyatt430 ??? For the time his policies helped Americans around the country, and he also lead America through the biggest war in history, that doesn’t deserve an F tier Are you joking?

[@wyatt430]

@@thetf8142 his policies did nothing but create tons of unelected fovernment positions that take about a third of your paycheck. The war is what got us out of the depression, not fdr.

[@thetf8142]

@@wyatt430 Guess who was the leader of the country during ww2? And you have to put into context why fdr did what he did during the great depression, people dont like to look at that perspective. What he did is what was necessary during that time, theres no other way around it. He brought confidence to the american people during the worst economic crisis in US history. His contributions in ww2 alone take him out of F tier, let alone his contributions to support americans during the great depression. Its delusional to put him in F tier objectively, Ben Shapiro, and im guess your tier list have heavy amounts of bias within them, not saying FDR is an S tier president, but to say hes an F tier president is laughable at best.

[@wyatt430]

@@thetf8142 Are you saying it's us joining WW2 was thanks to FDR? Anyway, I'm not saying what he did wasn't justified at the time. However, three letter agencies are the worst things to happen to the United States, and there's only one guy to blame for those.

[@benrenell3429]

as a left leaning individual, i loved this. very respectful, factual, and non biased take on this. thoroughly enjoyed this video and found myself learning a lot.

[@thomashuff783]

It’s always amazing when someone can do a non-biased review of a hyper partisan video. Especially when the partisan participant tries to role play as unbiased all the time lmfao,

[@geezer7818]

How can you be a left leaning individual, leftism is all about collectivism? 😂

[@dandotvid]

@@geezer7818 and herein lies the problem with "rightists". Always putting everyone they disagree with as exactly the same. (I am being sarcastic here) But seriously, someone saying they lean left doesn't mean they're now suddenly your version of every single "leftist" you imagine. In fact, the extreme left is a small minority. Just like the extreme right. They're very vocal minorities which is why you might think anyone that says they're more on the left would be that way, but it's wrong to think that.

[@geezer7818]

@@dandotvid haha, I know mate I was just having a laugh.

[@geezer7818]

@@dandotvid and leftists do the exact same as rightists btw, using the extremes to represent the majority.

[@theharoldsshow]

Great vid

[@honeyfields7482]

As extremely challenging as this would be, I would like to see someone tackle the impact of Congress on the effectiveness of various presidents.