VOGE 500DS Review & Honda CB500X Comparison With Nathan Millward

VOGE 500DS Review & Honda CB500X Comparison With Nathan Millward
So I met up with Nathan Millward so he could try the VOGE 500DS and he thought it would be a good idea to put it up against the Honda CB500X which make sense as they are similar bike's in the main.
We went for a ride and then pulled over for a chat about the bikes. It was good to talk to Nathan and we pretty much came up with the same conclusions about the bikes. Have a look at Dorothys speed shop website here-
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00:00 Start of the video
00:30 Off with Nathan Millward for a ride on the Honda CB500X
00:53 Dorothys Speed Shop Nathan Millward
01:25 VOGE 500DS VS HONDA CB500X comparison
02:14 VOGE 500DS VS HONDA CB500X Difference in riding
03:45 VOGE 500DS VS HONDA CB500X chat about the bikes Nathan Millward
05:19 VOGE 500DS VS HONDA CB500X green lane
05:24 VOGE 500DS VS HONDA CB500X Nathan Millward interview start
10:20 Nathan Millward thought's on the VOGE 500DS
11:48 VOGE 500DS servicing
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VOGE 500DS Review & Honda CB500X Comparison With Nathan Millward
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[@RVMTube]

Thank you exeter rider, thank you very much! I have been waiting all week for this clip and your presentation did not disappoint. You might have helped me et closer to making up my mind. Having Nathan there was a good call too. Well done.

[@exeterrider]

Appreciate that Thankyou. The full review of the VOGE isn't going up for a while yet and it will be the last in the series. But I'm so glad you got alot of value from it. Really appreciate your time watching and commenting on it👍📺

[@wsmv]

Brilliant ride and interview, jeez Nathan knows his stuff. I could listen to him talk bikes for ages. I'm loving how you are able to test these bikes over different driving conditions and a good time period because its a more accurate review rather than have a bike for a quick road test and try to give a educated viewpoint. 👍

[@exeterrider]

Hi , Yes it makes the filming much easier for sure and I think the manufacters get more from it too let alone createing a stronger foundation for the bikes. Thanks for watching 🙂

[@roviwoteap2375]

Good to hear two peoples views of two “similar” bikes, especially as I’m a 500X owner. I’m keeping mine for the time being as I find it fun to ride. Why, only today whilst out on a ride I thought to myself, why would you want anything bigger than a 500cc bike for riding around country lanes, etc.? Unless you munch motorway miles, there’s no need for anything bigger.

[@exeterrider]

500 is a nice size for sure for getting around the lanes.

[@genismora8877]

Hola soy de Vic Barcelona y tengo la voge 500 ds y os diré que llevo 22000km en un año aquí en España llueve menos y salimos más en moto, bien la voge va de fábula en carreteras de curvas autopista 165km y no he tenido ningún problema ( hace 15 meses que la tengo y estoy muy muy contento Me gusta tus vídeos pero no hablo inglés pero sois unos profesionales profesionales Un abrazo desde Catalonia

[@exeterrider]

Wow, realmente aprecio tenerte aquí. Gracias. Me encanta la marca VOGE y las bicicletas. Lamentablemente, debido a los costos de envío y otras razones, no estoy seguro de cuánto tiempo se enviarán al Reino Unido en este momento. Tus caminos son maravillosos. ¡Gracias por venir y hacer el esfuerzo de comentar!

[@quentinjackson6015]

I ride a 2017 CB500X and have really enjoyed 4yrs of trouble free ownership. The engine being 'soft tuned' has a reputation for being bullet proof and the bike is often used by long distance adventurers. Having confidence in a machine certainly adds to the pleasure of ownership. Having said that, choices and competition within the industry can only benefit the consumer and the Voge looks to be a very good bike indeed for the money. Good comparison. Thanks.

[@exeterrider]

Thanks Quentin, yes the 500x is time proven👍🏍️

[@Saddlebags73]

Great video 👍🏼 Excellent discussion. It was really good to here the opinion of two fanatics talking honestly, with no incentive for bias. Very professional 👌🏼

[@exeterrider]

Thanks saddle, appreciate your time watching.

[@ChristopherD-M]

Great video! Two of my favourite KZbin chaps chatting! Devon’s finest!

[@exeterrider]

Pah! Thanks Chris👍😊🏍️

[@vageliskoios1062]

I am impressed from the voge.I found an offer in Germany for a brand new ds 500 for 4800 euro.Crazy vfm!I will pick her up next week :)

[@exeterrider]

Congrats your going to love it. Great bike 👍🍻

[@frankfeely9235]

Very good point regarding dealer set up and servicing, these well made observations would stop me from buying one for sure.

[@exeterrider]

I don't think it should really to be honest. Many other brands have simular service intervals. It's only Honda and even Triumph have now got longer intervals. The rest are generally shorter. 👍

[@PhilipKerry]

Great video and review buddy , brings back memories of going down country lanes for a " ride " :)

[@exeterrider]

Cheers Phil. Yes country lanes on a bike is lovely! 👍🏍️

[@KODEGREY]

Great ride and review! I like that you are getting other peoples opinion on the bike. Makes for a more well rounded review. The dealership network could be an issue though. We have that problem with European bikes here in the US. For instance, if I wanted to buy a KTM, I would have to travel 12 hours out of state to the closest dealer. Imagine that trip every time you need service done. Real good video!!

[@exeterrider]

Thanks KG. Yes the dealership for the VOGE isn't too bad over here. But it's early days and consumer confidence is key for this bike. I hope it does well because it is cracking to ride.

[@blitzer109]

Enjoyed that, good tie up with Nathan. He always seems to talk a lot of sense to me as he lives in the real world of bikes

[@exeterrider]

He does your right. It was good to hook up with him.

[@NooBiker]

Very good points and interesting arguments. Really like the video, you two should collaborate more often.

[@exeterrider]

It would be nice , but were a little bit apart distance wise.

[@vogeuk896]

Thank you Exeter Rider for your very thorough review and we appreciate all the feedback

[@exeterrider]

And Thanks for the bike. I couldn't do it without you. Full review coming at 4pm today👍

[@stevendavies8496]

Brilliant review ,keep up your good work

[@exeterrider]

Thanks mate👍😊

[@notesonwheels]

There is a DSX500 now, with spoked 19 17 inch wheels and I think its amazing!

[@exeterrider]

Yes I know, very similar to the Voge 500 👍looks great.

[@chriserskine585]

I pretty much bought my trk502 from Nath's reviews, it's good to hear people's views on bikes,I've been very impressed with mine, not without a few wee niggles but I'm sure people that invest 10-15k in bikes have the same thing, biking has always been a compromise for me personally 👍

[@exeterrider]

I totally agree, although I haven't ridden the 502 (due to bad luck and someone dropping the demo bike when I could have a go so had to be mended) I really think the 502TRK is a good bike, spares backup is good and seat comfort seems good. Most importantly, people were saying the same thing about the TRK back in 2018 as they are the VOGE and infact the TRK is still here doing well and outselling any other bike in Italy....for good reason. I am crying out to get on one!!

[@iceblaze6010]

Have you both even tried bot trk502 and voge 500ds? How will you compare them with each other? How good they are in comparison? Thanks.

[@EpicAdamMotovlogs]

Great video. I particularly enjoyed the bit where Nathan said he shouldn't be North Devons 2nd biggest motovlogger or was I imagining that?

[@exeterrider]

😂😂I'll rewind the tape🤣👍

[@davidroberts7490]

Very interesting video ! Will you be giving the 650 Voge a review ?

[@exeterrider]

It's not landed in the UK yet Dave. I'd like too for sure.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks Exeter Rider! Really appreciate this interview.

[@exeterrider]

Good thanks for coming along to watch it. Means alot 👍

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

@@exeterrider I'm really enjoying the content, I like your presentation style and the bikes (voge in particular) are very intersting for me. Keep up the good vids 👍

[@grahamhiggins1]

Having given a Benelli TRK502 a look over the other day, they’ve got a long way to go to get close to a Japanese bike. Very poor build quality and would be seen off in one salty British winter. £5k up in smoke, but look at the resale values of Honda’s right now, off the charts. Voge I shall reserve judgement until I’ve seen one, as a 500X owner myself.

[@exeterrider]

That surprises me, I quite like the TRK. They are selling well all over Europe. I respect your opinion.

[@TL1000S97]

"Goes like hell." We're all created different. 🤪😂Very good review BTW 👍

[@mortenfransrud7676]

Got this as my first bike last year. It is a bike that is very easy to ride. Handling is smooth, good acceleration but not to strong for a beginner like me, easy to do J turns or figure 8 with as I figured out when I practiced and comfortable to ride. A bit to much vibration I suppose at higher rpm though ✌️ I find it's easier to hold a constant speed at lower rpm compared to bikes I used at the school which was better at holding constant speed without problems at higher rpm. A bit small rear seat, feels unsecured as a passenger compared to other bikes I've been passenger on. My dealer talked about seat widener should be developed soon for longer rides fir the rear seat.

[@exeterrider]

Thanks for your comment. Always good to hear from happy VOGE customers!

[@mortenfransrud7676]

@@exeterrider happy to hear your feedback. Been a blast riding the bike, but of course it has its set backs in some small ereas as expected. But not a lot! Saving up for some travel bags/boxes for my camping trip this summer. Thought about riding along the norwegian coastline and spending 2 or so weeks having a blast and living the life. Hope my comment was understandable since I am not native to a English speaking country. Read my last comment and it was a bit messy I feel. Wish you well and a good day! ✌️

[@1960ARC]

What do you think now you've had the bike for a while. How do you find the short service intervals ? Not seen any new videos on this Brand.

[@jean-bernardolive4378]

As in France, comments say "it's a good surprise". I'm buying one (the bike will be ready in fews days) and I feel rather confident. Voge suggests to change the gearbox output pinion (one extra tooth) to decrease vivrations after 5000 rpm... I'll see the result in few days. Thank you for you video.

[@exeterrider]

Very interesting, thanks for getting me know, please stay in contact with your journey on your new VOGE. I think it's a brilliant bike 👍🍻

[@exeterrider]

Very interesting, thanks for getting me know, please stay in contact with your journey on your new VOGE. I think it's a brilliant bike 👍🍻

[@thebeardednorwegian]

Is the Voge DS500’s side luggage boxes wider than the handle bar? Just thinking if I ride one, and the handle bars can fit between cars in traffic, will the luggage fits as well, or will I collect mirrors along the way with the boxes ?

[@exeterrider]

No the boxes are not wider than the bars, but you do have to be really careful, and it will have a impact on filtering. 👍🍻

[@michaelevans1658]

Great comparison , think Nathan right about B M W .Oh their after sales service is also terrible for the money they command .

[@exeterrider]

Yes not cheap is it!

[@MadOldBiker]

Personally .. I would happily own either bike .. great vid !!

[@exeterrider]

Yes, The VOGE did ride better, but as a brand and shopping costs in not sure they will make it 😕

[@applecorp]

I'd take the Rally Raid kitted out 500X any day. Without that kit though I'd probably go with the Voge, it's a nice looking bike.

[@exeterrider]

The rally raid stuff is nice. Pricey though.

[@CosmikDebriis]

So another great comparison would be between the Voge and the Benelli TRK502. (Maybe the CF Moto too) The Benelli and Voge are very similar in price and spec. The Voge is a bit lighter which is a good thing.. My personal issue with all these "adventure" bikes though is not just the weight but where they carry it. Depending on how much "adventure" you're actually going to do (and it's worth mentioning the Voge DSX has bigger front and spoked wheels) The new Honda NC750X carries it's weight much lower, is more "practical" and has presumed Honda build quality, Albeit at a considerable price premium. Personally, I just went and had a look at a Voge but came home with the feeling I'd rather spend the extra on the Honda NC750X.

[@exeterrider]

Hi, yes the dsx wasn't around when I test rode this one. The 750x is my choice for my touring bike, the 500 is more of a commuter, but can dabble in touring too. The trk800 will be out next year. That will be interesting. Thanks for watching 👍🍻

[@muratmarat5953]

i would be interested if the parts from honda cb500 fits voge 500ds. e.g. air filter, oil filter, spark plugs, fuel filter and water pump. these are the most important parts if you can find these parts then i would be lucky with 500ds

[@exeterrider]

No they won't fit but they are in stock delivered to your door within 3 days via Chinese parts online

[@edukze]

This is the guy that travelled from England to Australia on a “moped”. You are a legend. Seen your doc.

[@exeterrider]

Yes its impressive 👍

[@edukze]

@@exeterrider sorry, it was the other way around hehe. From Sidney to London. I came back to find the doc I watched years ago. AMAZING story really.

[@exeterrider]

@@edukze I know what you meant 👍🍻

[@JIMWSMITH]

Great review... i would be intrested to know what the pillon room is like ?, and if you know if the warranty is transferred to a second owner...

[@exeterrider]

Hi, the pillion room is quite tight, quite high up for the pillion to get on. And no preload. So not ideal, although I found that it was actually quite soft and wallowy on the suspension, it was actually quite a nice stable ride chassis and power wise. So OK for 30 mile Sunday rides together but thats it on that front. Warrenty is transferable👍

[@JIMWSMITH]

@@exeterrider mmmm thats not great then, a ride to wales or scotland loaded up with pillon is out the question then ??? adjustable rear shock i would imagine? But no preload adjustment.

[@exeterrider]

@Jim Smith not adjustable either. 🤣It let's itself down there a bit. Apart from that..... Brilliant! If you want a long haul good pillion bike then you need to look at 800cc and above I think👍

[@JIMWSMITH]

@@exeterrider ye your probably right , but most of the time it would be me only.. that's a bit poor tbh an adventure bike with zero rear shock adjustment made supposedly to carry passenger and luggage.. maybe wait ,.see what the 650 brings . Thanks for the info buddy appreciate that.

[@exeterrider]

@@JIMWSMITH anytime Jim. All part of the service. A little more on the mentioned on the up coming review👍👆

[@marcuscarrozzo632]

Two very similar bikes on the surface but I'd have reservations about Voge ownership long term. My 500X is used and lives outdoors year round in costal Pembrokeshire. The finish is proving very durable with the exception of the bracket which holds the screen in place showing a bit of corrosion now (easy to fix). As a sunny day/Sunday bike, the Voge appears to be a nice little machine which you both agreed has great performance for a 500 and I do think the Honda could have a bit more oomph on certain occasions. But, as a year round costal commuter I think the Chinese bike would quickly show where the money was saved to get it to the price point they have. I'd rather pay the extra for the peace of mind and reputation Honda quality gives.

[@exeterrider]

That's fair enough Marcus👍thanks for your thoughts on that.

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

I prefer the screen on the VOGE. To hear Nathan say the VOGE is the better bike is quite something. If the 3,000 mile service is just an oil change, that wouldn't worry me. There are no Chinese bikes that are better than KTMs. At least, not yet! Good to see these two lads together.

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

Plot twist, most KTM engines are made by CF Moto in china. 😆🤣

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

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[@crumblymal8479]

Good watch interesting stuff I think what was said about complacent name brands should take note is spot on because when the Chinese get things together a bit more they will be turning out bikes as good for a lot less money, which will open up biking to a lot more people. No bad thing as some prices these days are just ridicule's cheers : )

[@exeterrider]

Exactly Malcolm. They still have some groundwork to get consumer confidence but if it becomes stable then there will be a whole new market opening up. And as you say it will give people with a budget a chance 👍

[@derekm6236]

Expect a repeat of the Japanese syndrome of the late 50s, early 60s. The rest is history!

[@allsearpw3829]

Hi , is that Nathan Millward of mountain bike fame ? If so it would be a hard act for most of us to keep any where near him and that,s if he rode a push bike . A very interesting review , Thanks and ride and stay safe .

[@exeterrider]

Not mountain bike. He rode back to the UK on a posty bike. Cheers

[@allsearpw3829]

@@exeterrider Nathen is he Alen Millyards the motorcycle engine builders son , who use to ride down hill mountain bikes and his farther built him two world record beating pedal cycles ? It,s on you tube , if not he reminds me of him and is very modest .

[@exeterrider]

@@allsearpw3829 no they are not related👍

[@jimsadler8704]

I met Mr Millward and 'Dorothy' at Lynmouth last week although at the time I didn't have a clue who he was.

[@exeterrider]

Nathan gets around alot, You will know next time.👍What was happening in Lynmouth, show or something?

[@streetcarver1020]

Since you are currently driving both I can't help but wonder which one you find feeling swifter, the VOGE500 DS or the 2021 Honda NC750X ?

[@exeterrider]

The VOGE I think.

[@streetcarver1020]

@@exeterrider Thanks for the reply. For city coomuting and cross city touring which one would you prefer? Sorry If I am being tiring but even though I have almost made my mind to get the NC the lower price and cool features of the Voge have ignited ny curiosuty,

[@motobro7458]

@@exeterrider excellent review. Big help for me to decide. Thanks!

[@exeterrider]

@@motobro7458 that's good. Glad you liked it 👍🍻

[@guystevens162]

Yes good video. And I really like the Vogue 500. What would it feel and handle like if it had nobbly tyres. Also did check on there parts and there prices are way cheaper than say Honda. Also tried 3 Lexmoto dealers near me am in Nottingham. And none had them in or new of parts or serviced any. So yes you need the back ground support like you said if that's not there then however good the bike is it will fail. So they need to support it and sell thousands lol. 🙂

[@exeterrider]

Yes the VOGE has only just been released mind so the parts are in the UK at the distributers but the dealers wont have the parts yet apart from basic servicing stuff.The bike should do well I think.

[@guystevens162]

@@exeterrider And also this bile been out nearly a year in different name in China. But yes hope sells well. 🙂

[@exeterrider]

@@guystevens162 what is it known as in China? I thought it was still known as Voge?

[@volt8684]

Fab guest on channel just reading some of his books still selling well and for plenty £ on e bay

[@exeterrider]

Thanks Volt. Yes he was great on the show.

[@leonstancliff7218]

As I previously said, the quality and finish of the bike TODAY is not a deciding factor for me. I recently watched a video of a Chinese bike dealer who was complaining due to the inability of HIS mechanic to get His bike tuned properly. (BTW, he sells most of the major Chinese brands and rides a Honda) As a contrast, my Royal Enfield dealer also sells Kawasaki, KTM and is the local Indian dealer. Trained certified technicians service his customers bikes. He can build a bike out of his parts inventory, or replace an engine. The Chinese have simply not caught onto that aspect of service yet, and they may never do so. Until they move their dealer network out of the back allies, side streets and storage sheds they will never present a viable product to own long term.

[@exeterrider]

Yes I know what you ,mean with all that. The thing is with all of this is they need to build the brands, and then it will pay for itself to get the bigger dealerships and they must also get the spares back up, get the confidence back and understand what the customer needs. They have a big up hill battle before they earn trust. It's a shame when this bike really is a gooden, I really hope they can make it work. The distributors of VOGE are really nice people and they are working hard in the background to make it happen.

[@derekm6236]

After sales service doesn't come from the manufacturer, it comes from the importer and dealers. No parts? Blame them.

[@leonstancliff7218]

@@derekm6236 If you purchase a VW, Ford or Opal and it is a lemon who do you hold responsible? You expect support from everyone in the supply chain. Same with Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki and Yamaha, you expect the manufacturer to monitor the performance of their dealer network. Not for the network to monitor the mfg.

[@derekm6236]

@@leonstancliff7218 In the UK Leon, it is the legal responsibility of the dealer who sold it to you to make things right. It is HIS problem to deal with the importer or manufacturer. Apart from a manufacturer trying to insist that importers and dealers carry spares, we, as customers are in the hands of our national importers and our dealers. I don't believe a manufacturer would refuse an order for parts from his importer.

[@leonstancliff7218]

@@derekm6236 You poor people. But then I am sure the Chinese would never leave you hanging out to dry in the rain. BTW, I am the less than proud owner of a Chinese bike with no reliable parts supply or dealer support network. And yes, it is one of the "major name brands" of the Chinese world. Thousands are being sold daily and an entire segment of the internet is given over to jackleg patch-up repairs to keep them rolling. I can assure you that getting your parts off E-bay is a joke!

[@aussiespringbok8504]

I reckon the Voge is a highway/sportsbike for people who want sportsbike power perhaps but want the look of an adventure bike.

[@Paul_Grace]

Good video...My question is that the CB500x engine can do over 100 K miles without a problem, and many do. Would you have the same confidence in a Chinese copy of it? The Voge service intervals of only 3000 miles reflect the confidence of the manufacturer. I just bought an old (2014) CB500x with only 2K miles on it for just 3 grand and it's a superb bike, I'd trust it much more than a new Chinese copy. Mine has a 17 inch front wheel and the handling is superb, does green lanes as well. For the Voge it's problem is consumer confidence and Honda reliability.

[@exeterrider]

I think the 3000mile interval is more about extra revenue for the VOGE dealers as opposed to not having confidence in there engine. Although you say its a copy of the 500x , and without riding it I can see why you say that but , although they are trying to make the same product as the 500x ....I agree, but the VOGE does ride alot better , feels sportier , its better for road riding, and when riding, it is a lot different than the 500x. But it's not a direct copy. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@Paul_Grace]

@@exeterrider Hi, I disagree about your assumption that dealer service revenue is the reason. No manufacturer would do that, it's a negative for the product. I can't find it now but there was a photo floating around on the net of the Loncin motor opened up and showing cam wear at low mileage. I can't find the link but I'm not making it up. To get the price lower than the Honda (built in Thailand) cuts have to be made. Not just to slave labour wages but also the quality of every single item. You get what you pay for. Would you really buy one with your own hard earned savings...If so good luck with that!

[@exeterrider]

@@Paul_Grace fair enough. You can't get better than Honda quality, I'm not doubting that for a second. But to my knowledge the BMW 750, 850f and gs, and the XR just for example which use the loncin engine don't seem to have many faults. Maybe I'm wrong. Also I feel that these bigger service intervals makes the bike more saleable. I think on the early models of the 500x the servicing was alot less, and the engine hasn't changed too much over the years. I have no doubht that they're is a photo going around showing that, but they're are others as well with blown up engines etc. I don't think it's as good as Honda quality, but the VOGE rides and feels better, that's the bottom line for me. But yes I take your points.

[@Paul_Grace]

@@exeterrider Have a look on youtube for the Bristol Venturi 500. It's another branding of the Voge. I can't help thinking of the cfmoto 650 (er6) and the Hyosung comet (sv650) when I see these copies. I think the extra 1K pounds for the Honda badge is a bit of a bargain. Try riding the Voge back to back with a 2021 CB500x and see what you think. I'd be interested. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqmXmo2cpcl_oKc. Check the end of the video. The first CB500x 2013 has 8000 mile service intervals.

[@pstanyer1]

When the cb500x came out the service intervals were very short. Valve check at 500miles and service at 3k it was only after a year they put it up to the 8k mark

[@quinnpeaksbiker]

First! Really interesting comparison and review. I think there is something there but not fully developed yet, for me. after my experience on mine I've really lost confidence in cheap Chinese bikes. The dealership are Going to try and make money at every chance, they are a business but that 2000 service interval and higher costs in the short term and specialist parts they use that you can't easily find fixed it for me are unexpected bills and hurt more. I learned a lot about what I want and equally what I don't. I just want to ride not worry about reliability and trying to find repairs or upgrade parts. Once bitten twice shy, it's going to take a lot for me to change my mind. But keep them coming, it's really interesting and appreciated! 🖖🏽😁

[@exeterrider]

😉👍Fair enough, although the VOGE isn't a cheap bike in that league, it's just competive price point and a solid bike tbh. A bit like the Benelli brand which also are solid bikes. Its 3000 intervals by the way. I couldn't quite remember at the time. Same as the Enfields I believe. But really isn't your stereo typical 125cc. It really is a good one this one, but as you say you have been bitten and I understand that👍🍻

[@quinnpeaksbiker]

@@exeterrider 3k, but I think I. A few years they will get to the 8k of the Honda. Then it will be really something to consider. I think it's going to take me a while to overcome my prejudices and bad experiences. But I suppose I might change after seeing it in person, they (voge) have everything to win

[@quinnpeaksbiker]

@@exeterrider oh yes in India the services are really cheap, not even a 10ner! Short services dont hurt! Here I paid 80 quid for last one 😭, a few a year are going to build up

[@exeterrider]

@@quinnpeaksbiker Proberly easy to do it yourself I expect.So easy on a 125😉

[@Bykersam]

L105 👍, nice comparison, great shots and views, great share, stay blessed and safe on two wheels, your biker brother Traveller MIA 🇬🇧

[@exeterrider]

Thanks MIA, ride safe 👍

[@rogerwilliams2902]

Nice video, but it would be a bonus if you told the viewers the places you ride through !.

[@exeterrider]

Thanks, thing is I didnt know myself! I just followed Nathan lol.... Thanks for watching the video : )

[@brianlev-ari1222]

In my opinion the comparison should be with the dsx, still nice job...

[@exeterrider]

DSX wasn't it at the time. But yes your right it would be now for sure 👍🍻

[@guystevens162]

Also this bike needs to get into other you tubers too to test ride. See what they say and feel. 🙂

[@georgem2456]

As for the service intervals, for the Voge 500DS/500DSX are every 5000 kilometers and for the CB500X are every 6000 kilometers (what the dealership proposes to do) , although Honda says you can do it every 12000 kilometres but for me it is too much, so I would do it at around 8000 kilometers. The main difference between these two is the price. In Greece, a Honda CB500X with the amount of equipment of the Voge is around 2000€ more.

[@exeterrider]

Yes exactly. In the UK is all up in the air with VOGE and I don't know if they are bringing anymore into the country at the moment. Its a bit messy. Shame really the 500 read a good bike.

[@georgem2456]

@@exeterrider In Greece the Voge is doing pretty good and many people like the 500DS and the new 300 Rally. Also, the CFMoto brand is doing exceptionally well, because they provide good bikes for very low prices

[@grahamcharlton9704]

What was you objection to the seat on the Voge?

[@exeterrider]

It was on a slight slope so it starts to ache your butt only slightly after 1.5 hours of riding I found. 👍🍻

[@davidconnelly2096]

Very nice video....excellent business idea to give extended test rides and have fun....Honda back up service hard to compete with imo...and proven reliability....

[@exeterrider]

Yes, they have a solid base there for sure but the VOGE also has alot to offer on other ways. I hope it works out for them. 👍

[@davidconnelly2096]

@@exeterrider indeed.. did you put up the details for Nathan's set up In N Devon?

[@exeterrider]

@@davidconnelly2096 in the description

[@travelandtech2185]

They also do a voge 300 ds just a smaller version of this voge 🎉

[@exeterrider]

They do, this was the first VOGE to hit UK shores . Things have moved on since.

[@p305-mrworldwide9]

I payed 5500 brand new for my honda varadero 125 back in 2016 and 1 month ago i bought a cb 500 x 2021 with 4000 miles on the clock for 5850

[@exeterrider]

Funny how it works out isnt it : )

[@zoranbilbiloski652]

Which one has the lowest seat height?

[@exeterrider]

The VOGE feels lower for sure, but not sure 👍

[@matzex1819]

imo it doesnt matter how the voge feels. it has to prove itself in the long term and right now i doubt it will. at the end you compare a known to be good bike with a "totaly new, dont know what to exspect bike". overall maintaning, part availability, resell value are importent too. things like driving without any issiue the first few years is something i exspect from every new bike anyway no matter what. longterm quality is what counts, things like rust or brittle plastics. for just 1000€ its a no brainer, cb500x all the way. dont get me wrong, i drive a chinese bike myself. the price difference was huge, i knew what i get and i can do things myself. but many peopel buy things like that and think the can hold up with well known brands. if you get a better price or dont care about long term usage, you have a garage to mostly leave it dark and dry and can work on it yourself than maybe. that being said, while the 500ds can make some sense i think the 650ds is totally pointless.

[@exeterrider]

O for sure, I agree, I can't go through every little thing but all that goes without saying. Time will tell, but compared to many other premium bikes I ride, mechanicly speak g it all feels very tight and plush, it also rides better than the 500x....so that is a very good start. As long as VOGE gain traction with dealership network etc then they will be laughing..... For example, in the UK, every part for the VOGE is avaliable within 24 hours.... That's amazing and you can't say that for many other brands, especially in this climate, so VOGE know what they need to do and they are doing it..... Very well 👍🍻

[@adrianrubi5012]

What?! BMW parallel twins are actually Loncins??

[@exeterrider]

850 and 900XR yes

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

Yes, GS750/850 (The engine's the same), 900f/XR have engines developed, build and assembled by the chinese company Loncin. They're scooters are also made and assembled by Loncin. (Not just the engine, the entire scooter). The 300r and Xr (or whatever they're called) are developed, manufactured and assembled by the indian company TVS. 👍 Only the bigger BMW's are made in Germany.

[@simongilbert2704]

yes , you 2 brought up the main pluses and minuses , spares are a problem , but the main issue is = these bikes are most likely to be used by commuters ;;; someone has not done there their homework here ,,, service times are critical for regular high millage users,, the diff in price is soon offset buy higher running costs , but as nathen said the occasional user is not so bothered,

[@exeterrider]

Yes and infact, 3000mile service intervals was the normal a matter of 5 years ago. Many other bikes have the same intervals.👍

[@simongilbert2704]

@@exeterrider ok, yes i get it ,, lets not get to hard on this if the service is just oil and filter change and a check over , i cant see that every bike needs a valve job every time , but people need to check the small print in order to comply with warranty,... i do not ride bikes like these but just try to be helpful and take an interest with whats going on, rather than just watch telly. i hope others enjoy these videos that enhance biking..

[@exeterrider]

@@simongilbert2704 absolutely mate. Thanks for your thoughts, appreciate it 👍

[@skaraborgcraft]

I think the Suzuli DL250Vstrom didnt sell as well as it might have done , due to 3k service intervals. It really pushes up the cost of ownership to keep the bike under warrenty.

[@exeterrider]

@@skaraborgcraft 3k is quite normal really, the 250 was a good bike.

[@edukze]

The guy helping Nathan: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooq6k36FrdeDjJY worth watching more than once a year as I do and never gets too old. Its inspiring.

[@exeterrider]

Yeap, great adventure👍🍻

[@noostNL]

This isnt really a comparison since the 500x has the rally raid kit on it... Also, this is the street oriented voge (DS), not the DSX.

[@exeterrider]

It still is in many respects, the engine is the same and the way it handles will be much the same as the standard 500x. I have ridden all of them and the rally raid kit dosent make much of a difference on the whole top the standard bike. Still feels the same pretty much. Yes the DSX has a 19 inch front which is the only difference when ridden back to back with the DS👍

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

@@exeterrider The engine isn't the same, the Loncin one is a copy of the Original Honda PC44E engine. 😅👍

[@roadstrom]

Hmmm but will the Voge still be around in 80 thousand kilometres because the Honda will 🤔

[@exeterrider]

Yes I expect so. Time will tell, either way they are both good bikes.

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

There's a CB500X in Portugal with more than 420.000km, running every day without any issues. 😅 It's not the only one with more than 200/250k km either. 👍

[@roadstrom]

@@tiagofigueiredo2529 I find that very hard to believe

[@pstanyer1]

Quite happy to buy the voge most parts will be available off the shelf such as service parts. Brakes fluids etc. I suspect if you know how to look after your bike it will last a long time. The Chinese are catching up with the Japanese every day. I don't like this review comparative to a cb500x with off road tyres and spoked wheels is just a bit silly. And who in their right mind would take a standard cb off road or the voge.

[@juliecrocker9824]

Big bike manufacturers are going the same way as the British manufacturers in the 60s but not to the Japanese but the Chinese, cheaper and better

[@exeterrider]

Alot is changing for sure. It would be good to have a crystal ball to see which way it's all going to go 👍

[@p.istaker8862]

I know which one I would trust to cover a hundred thousand miles and if it does go wrong, get the parts.

[@exeterrider]

Yeap the Honda will be easier for the parts, closer to home granted. But if the VOGE was as reliable and had the parts situation sorted what would you buy is the question

[@p.istaker8862]

@@exeterrider Still would go with the Honda. Have worked on motorcycles for a living in the not too distant past. Have had dealings with Chinese stuff and stopped having anything to do with it (Lexmoto included) Honda finish is superior to BMW. I use the modern-ish motorcycles I own, don't bother cleaning them through the winter and rarely do so in the Summer. I have a 2005 Honda and a 2012 BMW. The standard of paintwork, and plating finish is far superior on the Honda.

[@exeterrider]

@@p.istaker8862 yes you can't go wrong with a Honda mate for sure. Although the VOGE looks and rides better for sure, and it's cheaper to buy. 👍

[@Kenchinito2207]

The ressemblence on those bikes are uncanny.

[@exeterrider]

It is, yet they ride very differently 👍🍻

[@Kenchinito2207]

@@exeterrider I was about to buy a 500ds but they were out of stock. So aching for a bike I went for a G310gs. I'm still eyeing the 500ds though. Unfortunately Honda doesn't sell CB500x here.

[@exeterrider]

@@Kenchinito2207 310GS is a good choice. I like them : )

[@kevindarkstar]

Bottom line every one has heard of honda and no one has heard of VOGE, plus the service intervals ect parts backup is important.

[@exeterrider]

Agreed, but there is room for more, and they really are very good bikes so I hope they can gain traction.

[@user-ru3pw1rc5w]

Honda now is overvalued. Honda was HONDA many years before Was the top,but now i dont think so.

[@deepsouthNZ]

Japanese and european bike companies should be very worried indeed about the quality and value these chinese companies are starting to deliver

[@exeterrider]

Yeap, Its coming....

[@roadstrom]

There's no way I'd let my CBR 500 do 8000k service intervals no oil lasts that long I do mine every 4000k

[@exeterrider]

Me too . My NC is 8000k but I won't let it go that long. Sometimes I wonder if its just a selling point TBH

[@derekm6236]

Thes long service intervals for bikes and cars are just marketing BS, aimed at the original purchaser. The cheapest and best maintainance for any engine is frequent oil changes. 3000 to 4000 oil then filter on alternate oil changes. No problem, no hassle.

[@Epiphone1978]

Ok now seriously, you brought a Voge next to a Honda...????

[@exeterrider]

Yes myself and Nathan preferred the ride on the VOGE. It rides really well.

[@user-ru3pw1rc5w]

Once upon a time was honda. Now? I dont think honda dominate any more

[@exeterrider]

I know what you mean but Honda are still the number 1 out there I think 👍

[@user-ru3pw1rc5w]

@@exeterrider honda was by far the best ,my first and my second bike was honda. Now many brands are close to honda,thats what i say

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

@@user-ru3pw1rc5w Yeah, at least on build quality even the Chinese bikes are even better in some things, but what no one builds engines like they do, that's why every Chinese company copies their engines, like they did with the 500 one, one of the most reliable motorcycle engines ever made. There's one in Portugal with more than 420k km without any issues or repairs. 👍

[@rauljamesjimenez6779]

Honda bigbike pa rin ako wala ka kaba.

[@mmm2307]

Voge is a copy of Honda !

[@exeterrider]

Bit they have made it there own. Although it looks the simular , everything else is different 👍

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

@@exeterrider It's BASED (Copy) in the older PC44E Honda engine.

[@exeterrider]

@@tiagofigueiredo2529 OK, must be a different injecter set up with euro5 etc. Loosely based I guess 👍🏍️

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

@@exeterrider Yes. 😅 Gaokin is another chinese engine manufacturer that is copying the Honda engine. That engine is used on Brixton motorcycles for example, but if you look closely, the design and even the materials are different. 👍

[@exeterrider]

@@tiagofigueiredo2529 it's Loncin that make this engine though?