Unveiling the Truth: Eternal Suffering in Hell - Fact or Fiction?

[@jeanhall5733]

Helpful study. The message convinced me that I should be baptized and join a SDA Church.

[@AJvictors]

Amen!! We're not perfect. Don't ever let people's poor representation of Christ turn you away from God or biblical truth. This is one of Satan's biggest traps. Welcome to the family! May God bless you!!

[@shr355]

Amen

[@serenaeller7]

Amen!

[@eyacensored-biblechanges]

SDA is a cult.

[@gentleoldmoviefan5680]

@@AJvictors - Inspired, heartfelt, interesting. (Excellent comment, in other words :) )

[@Bruce.-Wayne]

One of the best explanation I've heard....Happy Sabbath

[@dangriffin5532]

So refreshing to hear this. As a young child I never felt comfortable in a church enviroment because of misguided idiots within a congregation. When I got older I started questioning things that didnt make sense. Today I can easily detect people like that. Just because someone says its so does not necessarily mean that it is. We were given a brain for multiple reasons not just one.

[@polycarpsmith1419]

The Protestants who rebel and have fallen away as those spoken of in 2Thess. 2, have stumbled at the Stumbling stone because you all have refused Christ who named Simon, "Peter" meaning Rock and Gave Him the power to bind and loosen on earth in Christ's visible absence. It is not the Pope you reject, it is Christ. . John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, *He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me;* and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. Thus it is written: 1John 4:6 (KJV) 6 *We are of God:* he that knoweth God *heareth US;* *he that is NOT OF GOD HEARETH NOT US.* *Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.* THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE A HERETIC, IF THEY REFUSE TO HEAR THE CHURCH. 1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: *but unto them which be disobedient,* the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 *And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.* Many a Protestant has gone to hell preferring to read the bible rather than obeying the Church as Christ commanded. *When the Bible itself commands you to obey the Church.* You all might as well be Mormon or Adventist. What idiocy is it that fool who would use sacred scripture to as tool to justify their rebellion against the Church Christ Himself Instituted. But, the Protestants have done that very thing

[@sekaf4125]

So true and perfect this truth brought me into the Adventist Christian faith. In my simple mind I would think why would God start burning say an 18 yr old who rejected him say during the flood, he’s been burning all these years and satan hasn’t started? And we call God fair and Just? I share this with my Christian brothers and they tell me God can do what he wants because he is God. Do yourself a favor. Grab some paper and go through ever text and right them down, compare. It’s so obvious God will destroy evil. I had a bad accident, was in the hospital for a long time with Morphine straight into my arm. I was in SO much pain! I would lay there and think, They say God will do this for ETERNITY!!!! FOREVER. People don’t stop to think, really think. They listen to some person but don’t don’t a real bible search..God is GOOD all the Time. Praise Him. He will stop evil someday and we have a choice to be with him

[@theneverending9319]

Anyone I've ever seen defend eternal torment did it from a place of feeling they'd never experience it. Seeing someone burned alive in real life is beyond horrifying, I can't imagine it forever.

[@mihaimihai8349]

You don't know who is God, my friend. You don't know.

[@jamclancy9335]

So U think GOD is that sadistic (its even an understatement) to punish the unsaved for all eternity without end with such a horrific & unprecented kind of torture? The Bible itself suggest that only few of humans that have ever existed in planet earth (meaning even dating back to Adam ,& Eve) will be saved. What does that tell us? That majority of all mankind since the first human beings that walked the earth, are hell-bound. Anybody can go to hell. Your father or mother, your siblings, your wife or husband, your sons or daughters, your best friends, anybody that you love. Do U imagine that some of them will be tormented endlessly in hell? That's the problem with some people - they oversimplify such a sensitive topic/matter without really realising how horrific the theory that they want to believe.

[@RapunzelASMR]

@@mihaimihai8349 and you do?

[@mihaimihai8349]

@@RapunzelASMR Yes I do

[@RapunzelASMR]

@@mihaimihai8349 so do many of us

[@eugenelombard960]

This study upsets many Christians because that is not what they had been taught in the church they belong to. In fact, some of them will refuse to read the Bible for themselves for fear of being proven wrong. Thanks Pastor Boonstra for this great study.

[@ryangraham7012]

@@eugenelombard960 I’ve preach this way for probably the last 10 years and everybody I preach this to get angry and says I’m deceived 🤦‍♂️ it’s almost like they’re mad if people don’t burn for trillions and trillions of years….

[@eugenelombard960]

@@ryangraham7012 I think this is because many worship the Lord out of fear instead of accepting Him as a loving God.👍

[@ryangraham7012]

@@eugenelombard960 they get scriptures twisted with what it means to fear the lord. The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom. so yess we should fear the Lord in the same way we fear are parents growing up not in way we’re so scared of him that’s the only reason we serve him.

[@RapunzelASMR]

@@ryangraham7012 id love to listen to your preaching. I Cannot stand people preaching eternal torture it almost feels like blasphemy

[@michelecomfort5981]

@@ryangraham7012 As a parent I would never annihilate my children

[@jamesleibensperger6489]

Eternal Hell fire is the height of Satanic lies, and the God of Creation is not heartless , and evil!! Even destroying the wicked is a strange act for God's character!! Thanks for sharing!!

[@lsterl]

Amen🙏🏼

[@maxamahnken7325]

The wicked would become ashes under the feet of the righteous. (Malachi ch. 4 v 1-3.)

[@maxamahnken7325]

"To will" become ashes under the feet of the righteous.

[@FickNury-h3o]

Remember, "My ways are not your ways."

[@polycarpsmith1419]

When the Adventists and the JW's go to a funeral, they only see a dead body and they say, that is all there was. They are like the carnal Atheists who believe and say the same thing. . Like rich man's brothers (Luke 16:19-31) , they only saw their brother's dead body and knew not that he was judged immediately after his death, and his soul went to Hades and was tormented "in this flame" . The Adventist's deny Christ very words and teach the exact opposite of Christ. Moreover, they have made it their mission to tell the whole world they won't be judged immediately after death and the wicked have nothing to fear nor the righteous to have no reward. The Adventists do the same carnal reasoning with the scriptures regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, they say, "see, they just died" and went to soul sleep. They say were not punished afterwards, exactly like the Atheists and the carnal minded, who only see with their fleshly minds and not as Christ who is God sees it and taught it. The Adventists and the cults seize upon every place in the Old Testament where the destruction of the wicked is promised on a physical level and then say it mean annihilation, just as the rich man's brothers did not know of the torment of the wicked themselves. In this respect, they are just like the Atheists. While every reader of the Old Testament scripture and prophet who wrote them were NOT annihilationist at all. Just as the author did not believe in annihilation of the wicked so the reader did not as well. They knew that when God had destroyed the wicked in the flood or Sodom and Gomorrah, God had intervened in human affairs to send those wicked directly to hades to be tormented because there was not so much as to be an allotted time to repent. This is thoroughly and explicitly shown in the teaching of Christ that "Moses and the Prophets" (that includes every verse of the entire Old Testament) had taught the torment of the wicked immediately after the death of body. And this is not concealed at all in the Old Testament. *Therefore, all those who use the Old Testament scriptures to support conditional immortality are condemned by Christ.* Because Christ taught the Old Testament taught the exact opposite of conditional immortality. Isaiah 34:9-11 is no different which parallel to Rev.14:9-11. In both cases the scripture proclaims the torment of the wicked, and picture which is painted is that of unending torment. And, like the carnal flesh which only sees with is fleshly eyes, it does not have the mind of God to see with HIS eyes, even though he is told. And, therefore, he cannot see nor understand the scripture. So, it was with the story of the rich man and his brothers, who knew not that his brother was being "tormented in this flame" . So, the rich man wanted to send someone back to his brothers to warn them. But what says the scripture, "THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS TO WARN THEM, LET THEM HEAR THEM" but, like the Adventists, they don't not believe either! So then, the scripture says as if speaking of the Adventist, "NEITHER WOULD THEY BELIEVE THAT IF ONE CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD TO WARN THEM" . And so it is with the carnal and stubborn foolhardy Adventists under their false prophet. Nonetheless, In Luke 16:16-31 Christ makes it very plain that NOT ONE SCRIPTURE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT REMOTELY TEACHES THE NON-EXISTENCE OF THE SOUL OR SOUL SLEEP FOR THE WICKED BUT TORMENT DAY AND NIGHT. Likewise, the carnal minded Adventist seize upon every place where the destruction of the wicked off the earth is spoken of when it speaks of the person's body and not their soul. Yet every reader of the Old Testament truly understood that that was not the end of the punishment for the wicked and that their soul continued to be punished. But, the fleshly minded Adventists only see what is visible to them and not believing God or Christ about the torment of the soul of the wicked immediately after death as Christ and the Apostles taught. The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's are just like the Atheists and the rich man's 5 brothers of Luke 16:19-31!! They ONLY saw that he was physically dead and knew NOTHING of his UNSEEN TORMENT IN THE FLAME. Therefore, like the carnal minded The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's refuse to hear Christ's words about the unseen torment of the rich man in Hades. Because they can only see with the flesh even when Christ warns them of what will happen to them also after death. The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's refuse to believe. Thus, Christ answer them, "Neither would they believe even if someone came from the dead to warn them. And so it is with these fools. In Revelation 14:9-11, we are told that anyone who worships the beast and receives his mark “will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. "The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's and all the wicked preach that no one will suffer* *torment forever and ever* A complete denial of the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. And they do so because they have been taught that the true Christ is "Satan" , while it is Satan himself, that leads them to deny the explicit words of scripture. And, because they disbelieve the scripture, they FIGHT against Christ and his Church, as an agent of the Wicked One. And what do you suppose the beast is telling the wicked who worships them? That if they do, they will be tormented forever and ever? Who would then follow them? The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's will believe the beast when He tells them there is no HELL AND NO TORMENT, THEY ALREADY HAVE BELIEVED AND FOLLOWED THAT GREAT FALSE TEACHING. Then what do The Adventists, the Atheists and the JW's and the wicked do? They call Christ "Satan, a Monster, a Tyrant" because they have been taught by a false prophet to hate the just and righteous punishments of Christ upon the wicked. The carnal mind only sees what is fleshly and not as Christ and the Church taught. Adventism is fully carnal. When they see the wicked die, they only see the death of the body and not the torment of the soul. This is exactly what happened to the rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Any 3rd grader can read the story and see the end of the matter, but not an Adventists, because they have been WILFULLY blinded by their carnal mind and Ellen G. White. Like Sodom and Gomorrah, the people in Edom are still burning and in torment. That is what Christ, and the Apostles taught. The Adventists are so carnal you can only see what is earthly. You are fully prepared to go to hell yourselves for corrupting the gospel of Christ and the Apostles and charming the wicked. You all have sent all your followers to hell and many more millions who did not repent with your Atheistic gospel of soul sleep and annihilationism. Get ready, because except you repent, you will find yourself there shortly. Why do the Adventists and their like, so despise the eternal punishment? Because they know they are evil and rather than repent of their evil, they find it much easier to deny the explicit teachings of Christ and Christ Himself, than to repent. A righteous man does not fear the just punishments of God. One day, the Adventist will be like the rich man in Luke 16 wishing you could send someone back from the dead to warn your brothers “Lest they come to this place of torment” where they are!! It’s happened MILLIONS of times already to Adventists!

[@guitarbug]

I want to love God for His goodness, not out of fear of eternal torment in hell.

[@toma3447]

Love me or burn! That’s the message. Hell for unbelief is unjust and fails on every philosophical level.

[@nkurikiyejess]

In response to your statement at 21mins, Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. I think this verse refutes what you said.

[@SMck-j5s]

Thank you Pastor Shawn I've had your book and a couple more for a long time. I found them well written and filled with truth.

[@BbBb-bs8wk]

What about lazuras? Remember the story of him in torment begging for a drop of water to Abraham?

[@gilsimarsilva9896]

Hi, and the other passages, in the New Testament, that say: [...] the fire of hell that NEVER goes out/is NEVER quenched/Extinguished.

[@lisadavis4834]

It actually means it burns until nothing is left. Sodom was also burned in eternal fire.

[@ivanhuertas5307]

@@lisadavis4834 no it does not

[@maxamahnken7325]

​@@ivanhuertas5307Yes it does. Sodom is not still burning today.

[@RapunzelASMR]

hyperbole is constantly used in the bible! remember in the OT where they said to kill EVERYONE leave no one alive. Yet then later you read some are still alive.. exactly. killing everyone last one didnt actually mean every last one. It was hyperbole.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

A man who chains people in his basement and tortures them for years is called a sadistic monster. What is a supernatural being called who chains all but a handful of the human race in "hell" and tortures them forever? A ) God, or B ) a sadistic monster

[@marcdn6009]

Very interesting program. 🙏 I recomend it strongly to everyone!

[@jonathanp___________3606]

Excellent. Well organized. I've often struggled to break this study into simple enough steps to share it effectively. This was organized well enough, that I think I can get there now.

[@ManangMeme]

Thank you ❤

[@AlejandroCastro-fn6kj]

Great video! Keep giving people Bible truth 🙏

[@humphreychanda3102]

Well elaborated message, thanks Shawn.

[@lindaservus895]

Thank you for your clear explanation. God bless

[@ivelya]

Makes so much sense...

[@eugenelombard960]

I would also point out that when you die, the body returns back to the ground and the Spirit (life) returns back to the Giver (God).

[@noraenssor]

Should the last part of the sentence read - "...and the Spirit (breath) returns back to the Giver..." ?

[@eugenelombard960]

​@@noraenssor Yes, you are correct but also see John 6:63: It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they.are life".❤

[@eugenelombard960]

​​@@noraenssor Yes, you are correct but also see John 6:63: "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they.are life".❤

[@DaveLilienskold]

Thankyou for Sharing.

[@judymay903]

Didn’t God say that if you sin you will surely die? Look in the dictionary for the word death. It says to no longer exist. And, how many times do us people use the expression “forever” for something that we know will NOT last forever. The Bible uses the same expressions. Add this to everything Pastor Shawn said & then you “got” it!

[@jamclancy9335]

Agree sir. More often the word forever is used as a figure of speech to depict a period of time that is so long but it does not in any way means endless.

[@brokengirl8619]

Hun, you don't go to a dictionary to figure out words spoken thousands of years ago, you go to a Lexicon.

[@bryang9158]

Wow there's no truth better than this , unlocking the signes is also very helpful

[@denismarcariosfils8246]

Very interesting show!! God bless you!🙌

[@markowusu6511]

The wages of sin is DEATH but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Christ. Clearly, eternal life is only promised to the righteous while DEATH is promised to the wicked. To say the wicked roast in hell forever means they also experience eternal life although in hell. You either PERISH or have everlasting life--not burn forever

[@augustcarvalho2162]

That’s not what the Word says, that’s what you want it to say, I pray that your eyes will be open before it’s too late 😢

[@markowusu6511]

@@augustcarvalho2162 I think this applies to you. When you read about eternal or everlasting fire, you use your own understanding instead of allowing the Bible to explain itself. The Bible explains eternal fire as what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah (Jude 1:7). If we go by your understanding of eternal fire, then Sodom and Gomorrah will still be burning today. However, the Bible shows that eternal fire means fire that has eternal or everlasting consequences, since these cities have been destroyed forever and can never be rebuilt. There are two options, you either PERISH OR have ETERNAL LIFE (John 3:16). To say people will live in hell forever means they will also have eternal life (albeit in hell). God will destroy both body and soul in hell (Matt 10:28). Study this a bit further please. It is not as simple as you think. May God be with you.

[@alwaysadawg6488]

@@markowusu6511 I agree that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed but I disagree that Sodom was destroyed forever. Concerning Sodom, God says, in Ezekiel 16:53, "“I will restore their fortunes, both the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters, and the fortunes of Samaria and her daughters, and I will restore your own fortunes in their midst,." Sodom will be restored after being eternally destroyed. Sometimes in the Bible "eternal" doesn't mean what we think it means.

[@markowusu6511]

@@alwaysadawg6488 It is normal to disagree Bro. So how do you explain Jude 1:7 and 2 Peter 2:6 regarding the final fate of the wicked?

[@alwaysadawg6488]

@@markowusu6511 Looking at Jude 1:7 in a literal translation of the original Greek NT, I see that it says the these cities experienced the "justice of fire eonian". Essentially, the justice of fire for an age. Looking at the 2 Peter passage in the literal translation, I see nothing that would establish eternal fire or permanent destruction.

[@sebastianmontiel2878]

Awesome explanation

[@terrylewis7923]

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and sulfer, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever. Rev20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[@mihaimihai8349]

Yes, this is the truth.

[@ryangraham7012]

Don’t fear man who can only destroy body but fear God who can destroy both body and soul in hell The Bible is very clear that hell will be destroyed and consumed nothing will be left the punishment is eternal and will be forever not to torture🤦‍♂️

[@shanecorr1694]

​@ryangraham7012 so is this video talking crap or no

[@WiseTrails1]

Those who reject this have a need to scare themselves into believing, their faith crumbles at the absence of hell.

[@karintrees5445]

thank you

[@noraenssor]

A well-balanced presentation 🤓.

[@Olympic_TryAthlete]

One more thing. As for the story of the rich man and Lazarus, consider this made up story from WW2. A column of Sherman tanks was ambushed in France and one of them was hit by a Panzerfaust rocket propelled grenade. The tank immediately caught fire and only the tank commander was able to exit the tank, though his body was wrapped in flame - leaving him screaming in agony. However, he spotted an infantryman. With a coherent voice, he commanded the infantryman to dip the tip of his finger into his canteen and place a drop of water on his tongue, which the infantryman did. Instantly, the tank commander felt relief from his pain and he was able to make a full recovery back at the field hospital. This is essentially what Evangelicals have to accept as plausible if they want to interpret the Rich Man and Lazarus story literally. What good would a drop of water on the tongue do for a person whose body is wrapped in flames - and that, molten earth?

[@andrewespitallier8859]

What about how Jesus described hell

[@brokengirl8619]

He described gehenna, which is a valley in Jerusalem where they'd burn dead bodies.

[@GeeRodd]

Revelation 14:10-11 (NLT) "This torment will continue day and night forever and ever, for those who worship the beast and its statue, or who accept the mark of its name." This passage is often interpreted to suggest an eternal consequence for those who engage in acts of rebellion against God, emphasizing the lasting nature of the punishment described.

[@michelecomfort5981]

so your saying rather than torturing unbelievers their annihilated? Oh thanks, so my loving son who just past away, who was very kind but wasn't saved is annihilated. Thanks, that makes me feel so much better!!! He was only 38 years old. Doesn't make me feel any better. I prayed for his salvation for years!

[@tayloreschberger9328]

i personally believe the fact u were praying for his salvation for so many years was God working through u and it had a reason. he probably is saved maybe u just didn’t see him call out to the Lord maybe in his head when he was dying. i don’t know how he died but i believe he’s in heaven. God loves you and heard your prayers for his salvation. ❤ i am sorry for your loss and fear is not from the Lord so cast that care on him and trust him. he heard u everytime u prayed for ur precious son. take a deep breath and trust he’s with the Lord ❤❤❤ that’s all you can do. God bless you and i’m praying for ur heart to be healed in Jesus name

[@tayloreschberger9328]

i don’t know who u are but i love u so much and u don’t deserve to feel this way i’m tearing up right now. God sees you. ❤

[@tayloreschberger9328]

i’m going to lift u up in prayer as much as i can

[@tayloreschberger9328]

remember , we are human, we can’t always understand every little thing, but we know God is love and he is just. that’s facts, and ur son is loved by him and he knows how much u love ur son. ❤

[@michelecomfort5981]

@@tayloreschberger9328 yea that's what every main stream christian states. So did I for so long. Maybe right before he died he got saved. Right? What happens when I go to heaven and he's not there? Is God going to wipe away all my tears? How's He going to do that. Lobotomize me? I don't want to forget my son. I don't mean to sound cold, but I've studied the bible for over 30 years and allot of gnawing questions I have had never got answered. This guy sounds like the rest of them. Yes, he has a different concept on hell but annihilation was not the answer I was looking for. Still doesn't make sense. I think universal restoration answered more of all the questions I've had over the years than any other christian view point. Allot of scripture proves that. I started studying UR about 6 months ago, who knows maybe God himself was trying to point me in that direction because He knew what I would be facing. I'm still angry with Him to take away my sons life so soon. I know He didn't kill him but my prayers as usual are never answered. Or maybe I'm just not seeing it yet. Why did He pick me to test? I have both my sons dogs living with me now. He loved them so much. He has one brother who is devastated. Lost his father 8 years ago now his only brother. What kind of God allows this to happen. Yes, I know, we don't know the answers. Not yet. But the pain is unbearable. Thank you for loving me even though you don't know me. God knows me and you showed more love than He has. I wish He would let me know why. Sorry, just letting out my hurt. I still love God even though right now I'm very disappointed. I wish I had the same faith and strength as some of the believers the bible speaks about. Thanks for your kind words though.

[@craigmacmillan1794]

Thank you very much. I am getting closer to my answers that I am searching for but not there yet. Will have to continoue my search. We were created with the capacity to sin. This resulted as it had to in sin. This means that death had to be preplanned which also would mean that god was willing to sacrifice some/many of his creation. A question one could ask is if god was surprised by how many would succomb to sin which then could place a question if he really knew what the end would be at creation or if that only came along slowly afterwards. Even today there is so much perfection to be seen resulting from the creation. It is hard to believe that the creator of this could be suprised by anything. But that again opens the question of how much of his creation was he willing to loose to the evil side and ultimately to destruction. If this is a big portion I start having a problem with love, as I know the future and still am willing to create humans in a way where I would loose so many and would have lost all if not the intervention of Jesus would have happened. Is there any good literature that helps bring this in perspective?

[@noraenssor]

I believe there is a difference between being "created with the capacity to sin", and being created with the freedom to choose to be obedient or to be disobedient.

[@bryang9158]

Shawn are rivers really sprouting up in the middle east like the bible says will happen in the last days , internet says it's already happening ??

[@hereistand6178]

How come you are getting ur data from the internet not the bible

[@bryang9158]

@@hereistand6178 how come u DNT understand it was a question

[@Mike-qt7jp]

Matthew 25:31-36 says, "Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed. . . And these will go away into ETERNAL punishment, but the righteous into ETERNAL life.” Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence. Luke 16:22-24 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.” Notice the rich man is NOT annihilated but rather in torment in flames. He can feel pain, he can see, he can have a rational conversation. How does this in any metaphorical sense point to annihilation?

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*A question for the God's-gonna-hurt-you-real-bad crowd:* A man who chains two women in his basement and tortures them for years is called a sadistic monster. What is a supernatural being called who chains all but a handful of the human race in "hell" and tortures them forever? A ) God, or B ) a sadistic monster

[@sjguimaraes8758]

Amen!

[@manueldindakis3650]

I understand hell in a different way now. Hell does come to an end however, what happens to those in hell at its end. Will they simply stop existing.

[@lisadavis4834]

Yes like Sodom that was burn in eterna fire, but not burning today.

[@maxamahnken7325]

​@@lisadavis4834Hell .... the grave

[@AnntonetteAnderson]

But how long is eternal burning ?what does a body as to burn so long as eternity. It burns until nothing is left to be burned... Ashes cannot be burned.

[@r.clewis6157]

The Bible says all will be tested by the fire, some will suffer much but the spirit shall be saved

[@Olympic_TryAthlete]

Another example of how incoherent the Evangelical understanding of Hell is is found in Matthew 5:29-30. It is better for one of your members to perish than for your whole body to be cast into Hell.” Evangelicals teach that it is the soul, or psyche in the Greek, that goes to Hell immediately after death. But Jesus says that it is the body, or soma in the Greek, that goes to Hell. Which is it? Because you can visit the grave of many infidels and find their bodies if you are inclined to dig them up. And for the pain associated with burning to occur, means that the heat is literally damaging literal nerve endings. If the physical matter responsible for the physical pain is not actually being consumed, there is no mechanism by which the physical pain can occur, or for there to be any smoke to go up forever and ever.

[@shanecorr1694]

So do u believe there will be no accountability after death even for mass murderers

[@RonaldDelby]

I was led to believe that the our never dies and he will torture the sinners even though they cannot die and he can torture that soul with no end. Can you explain this?

[@CarolLyngdoh]

Amen 🙏

[@RonDelby]

What about the people who were sinners and died before this future event. Will he bring them back too so they will also be burned to stubble? I do not understand this. I was raised to believe that a spirit cannot ever die so if one goes to hell, their spirit will burn forever.

[@dancingghostgirl2291]

When Christ comes back, he will raise everyone from the dead and if they’ve heard about him and chose to take him, that is, if you understand Christianity, you either get destroyed by fire or inherit the new Earth revelation says it all

[@shanecorr1694]

​@dancingghostgirl2291 OK explain this a rapist a murderer and a guy who cheated on his wife die in a plane crash all them just get to go asleep even though 2 where 50 times worse than the other so we can do anything we like without judgement? And the idea of not existing sounds better than being on earth

[@georgeforyan113]

To share with you another clue about this subject, we need to read Romans 6:23 where Paul the Apostle says...."For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." This seems a great opportunity for Paul to say "The wages of sin is eternal punishment in hell,"....but He does not say this does he? Also, if a person is going to receive eternal life as a gift from God through Christ Jesus, wouldn't it be feasible that a person suffering in hell for all eternity would have to be given eternal life also? Eternal suffering in hell came about through the medieval church accepting the Greek philosophy that we have an immortal soul and that soul is tormented in hell shortly after death. But the bible says nothing of mankind having an immortal soul whatsoever. So, according to Paul's message here, God gives a repentant person eternal life through Christ Jesus as an eternal gift and an unrepentant sinner will not receive the gift of eternal life, but only death awaits him. According to Paul, all a sinful person would have is eternal death because he does not have the gift of eternal life given to us through Jesus. And if a person receives the gift of eternal life through Christ....Then he would not be in hell whatsoever! Any comment on this?

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

“But fear Him who is able to destroy both body AND SOUL in hell.” So we humans cannot destroy the soul, only the body. But God can destroy both.

[@r.clewis6157]

God will burn all the evil out of us all... Scriptures speak as hell as the grave,

[@jeremygarcia3586]

@@r.clewis6157 exactly. He'll, Hades, Sheol, Gehena etc.

[@xenopickett1177]

quick question: does the sinner burn for all of his sins ie if his sins were totaled up the made 300 years would he burn for 300 years? or is it just a death.

[@ryangraham7012]

Just know that God is just and hell will not be torture for billions of years because God is love and a loving God would not do that! hell is not gonna be no picnic and you don’t wanna go regardless but no the truth and the truth will set you free🙌

[@heathercook6376]

Yes absolutely

[@jamclancy9335]

Let's say an averaged sinner lives his life here on earth for 100 years. So for 100 years he hasn't live the kind of life according to the will of GOD. So in the afterlife he goes to hell & will be tormented there forever without end. Remember, we are just talking here of an averaged sinner. We aren't talking here of the Adolf Hitlers, the Joe Stalins, the Saddam Husseins or the Pol Pots. How can an averaged sinner get that kind of punishment so horrible & with no end? It simply defies the very basic logic & rationale.

[@DeanMartinson-ci3lk]

hell? for being born something we had no control or choice on?

[@GeeRodd]

1. Matthew 25:41 (NLT): "Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.'" 2. Revelation 20:15 (NLT): "And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire." These verses are often interpreted to convey the idea of a place of eternal punishment.

[@shanecorr1694]

Well are they or not ??

[@gordonmarshall3218]

There is fire in hell with billions burning. Holding cell until thrown into lake of fire.

[@GC-ee1ct]

Ok. But what about KJV Revelation chapter 20:11-15? The Devil being casted into the lake of fire where the Beast and the False Prophet ARE… And about Lazarus and the rich man, if it was a parable Jesus always started out saying that “I tell you a parable…” but he never states that when speaking about this. I’m not trying to refute or contradict. Would you please clarify these for us? Or has it been addressed in your book? I look forward to hearing from you! Thank you! Respectfully, George

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

Was your question ever answered? Not specifically by him, but over time did you discover the answer?

[@LifeNotsFair]

Can you do a video about the great white throne

[@bellerhea445]

I want so much to believe this but there are too many of verses that talk about people burning in hell forever. Mark 9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to h***, to the unquenchable fire. Jude 1:7 Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Dozens of Bible verses talk about the punishment of h*** so I am hoping that the version represented in this teaching, is true.

[@dicksonkuma8286]

@@bellerhea445 Matthew 25-46 clearly explains about eternal punishment and eternal life which refers to eternity. You explanation contradicts this particular verse.

[@bellerhea445]

@@dicksonkuma8286 I don't think you read the verses that I posted. You and I are saying the same thing. Mark 9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to h***, to the unquenchable fire. Jude 1:7 Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

[@ryangraham7012]

@@bellerhea445 every verse you said just proves again that God is talking about the punishment being eternal not the torture Don’t fear man who can only destroy body but fear God who can destroy both soul and body in hell .God wishes that all would come to repentance And except his son Jesus Christ and that not one would perish. Perish is clearly to be destroyed. So God clearly tells us that the soul is destroyed! and now let’s ask who is God what is God is he truly the most loving thing ever to exist is he the most fair thing ever to exist does he wish that not one would perish if that’s truly his nature which it is then ask yourself this why would he create a world where he new 80% would end up burning in hell for trillions and trillions of years ? And the only honest biblical and loving answer would be he wouldn’t he’s perfect he had a perfect plan we failed him so he’s gonna start over he’s gonna burn it all up and he’s gonna make everything the way he meant it to be that’s how loving he is he’s giving us the chance to either come with him or be destroyed!!

[@bellerhea445]

@@ryangraham7012 I get what you are saying but I don't want to mislead folks with butterflies and rainbows. There are many other verses telling us that if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of h***. I don't think that is open for interpretation. Agree to disagree, I reckon. Thanks for you answer.

[@ryangraham7012]

@@bellerhea445 My point is not to go around telling people hell doesn’t last forever to make them think like no big deal hell is gonna be terrible whether it’s 10 minutes 10 days or 10 years. Most people don’t know who God really is they think he is just some person waiting to judge and burn everybody who doesn’t accept him! I know many people that don’t believe in God because of this version of hell is being taught in pretty much every church. Maybe one out of everyhundred people I know says oh I believe in God because I don’t wanna go to hell.

[@gordonmarshall3218]

Your accountable to God for what your teaching. Watch Lazarus phenomenon and precious testimonies. Which Bible you reading. Listen to the holy spirit and not demonic beliefs.

[@James_no_hell]

NO!; there is no choice after death or before; our body deteriorates in the grave and our spirit goes to Heaven. That's it! When you finally believe that there is no hell doesn't mean you have to start believing annihilation! ... because annihilation is also false.

[@jervic44]

Can you explain this. When satan was defeated and sent to the bottomless pit, the beast and the false prophets was cast into the lake of fire. Then after a millennia satan will be released and be deafeted again and finally cast into hell were the beast and the false prophet were and are already there for 1 thousand years and they still exist to join satan Revelation 20:10 KJV And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[@augustcarvalho2162]

Hell is hell, be careful who you listen to, just because they teach it in a different way doesn’t mean it’s right, read it yourself and ask Jesus to show you, after all, you wouldn’t want to die and wake up in hell, you can scream, curse, say it’s not fair, whatever, no one will hear you, and you will have to deal with it forever, why don’t you follow Christ and not sin, if we do He will forgive when we repent, or do you want hell to be the way it’s being taught here so you can have your cake and eat it too?..

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

Or you’ll be the one saying it’s not fair when sinners are forgiven. The sinners who were never religious on earth but walked in love will be confused to find out they are sheep. The religious hypocrites who condemned sinners will be confused to find out they aren’t. Notice how the sheep do not say “minister” but the goats say “minister.” The sheep actually fed the hungry & visited the sick & imprisoned while the goats only “ministered” to them.

[@bradharford6052]

I like your approach and the exposing of the error of eternal conscious torment doctrine. You are just a short step away from universal reconciliation theology. I think the bible is clear that all are children (offspring) of God and in Him we live and move and have our being. It also indicates that at some point every tongue will gladly and voluntarily confess Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of the Father. According to Paul's writings, this results in salvation. You may or may not arrive at that conclusion but there are a question or two that you may want to address for your followers. One is, who are the wicked that you suggest will be terminated and burnt up? For example; one who lived a pure life, visiting the prisoners, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, but had incorrect theology and failed to "accept Jesus as Savior". Would their fate be the same as Hitler for example? And, explain how Paul's example of fire burning up wood and hay and bringing the gold and silver through the fire unharmed. Both these conditions are in reference to one individual that has both wood and gold in their life. FYI next time you read through the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, consider Judah who has the royal scepter and also has 5 brothers, and Lazarus whose name in Hebrew, is a form of Eliezer, who was the Gentile servant of Abram. It is an interesting story and those representative characters add some depth to your presentation of it. Have a great day.

[@garygacek8781]

Revelation 20:10..And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone- where the beast and the false prophet are- and SHALL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER......verse 13-14 states- And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.....my brothers & sisters in Christ this is the Wordof God..don't be deceived by heresy 📖✝️🙏

[@flaviaaraiza2415]

Jesus never never spoke about hell Gehenna was mis-trasalated

[@dancingghostgirl2291]

I gave you a like and there’s a lot of proof that centers don’t get tortured Eternally Take free will for example if sinners got tormented without end Christ and God basically would’ve been saying do it my way or being in Pain all eternity

[@dancingghostgirl2291]

I was using voice text in the phone won’t pick up the word sinner

[@Tom-kd7ip]

Fire of love ur get it but live it don't talk it.

[@gordonmarshall3218]

Your confusing the physical from the spiritual.

[@jaebar51]

Isaiah says God created the Waster, and the destroyer to destroy. God was not taken by surprise, yet went ahead anyway. God wants to be known; there is a purpose for everything including evil. Judgment also means correction. In that day, God is a refining fire. 1 Cor 15 says that all in Adam bringing death, will also be made alive. The context is not verse 1. Those folks saved by faith are already alive. They stand now, and are seated now in heavenly places ephesians and colossians. In the end they believe by sight as did Thomas and Paul; all will bow to glory of God and they will not be forced. God will wash away the filth, the dross, they will be melted, Is ch 4, Ezekiel 22. In Is ch 33 there are everlasting burnings and devouring fire. So, yes the results are permanent. In proverbs God tries the hearts like silver in a fire, the impurities removed. Therefore no one is eliminated. A grand beautiful reunion is coming for the whole earth. Mothers no longer have to worry about their sons and daughters.

[@tenoriastephens1369]

So what about the Rich man and Lazarus. Luke 16:19-21… where Jesus says the man was in hell tormented in agony and fire and asked Father Abraham to allow Lazarus to come and dip cool water on his tongue. Why would Jesus refer to hell in this way if there is not a current place of hell or it’s not for eternity.

[@geoffrey9888]

Whether eternal or not am not sure burning is what you want

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

“Didn’t our hearts burn within us as we walked by the way? Didn’t we know that it must have been the Lord?”

[@gordonmarshall3218]

Eternal soul is eternal. You cant destroy whats eternal Those people are consumed and there soul is sentt to hell.

[@flaviaaraiza2415]

Why didn't he yahweh stared all over when Adam and eve's sinned

[@WiseTrails1]

@@flaviaaraiza2415 Jesus had to be glorified

[@GeeRodd]

He's wrong!

[@RosheenQuynh]

How?

[@maxamahnken7325]

He is right

[@mihaimihai8349]

Very wrong

[@RickVermeulen-ll5qe]

Revelation says. Hell is gonna be at the brood plain of the earth at the beloved city... is that the city of jerusalem???.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

Chapter and verse, please, Rick.

[@RickVermeulen-ll5qe]

@@IsaacNussbaum if you believe that the lake of fire ( is hellfire communicatie down from heaven) you can read it in revelation 20:9-10

[@IsaacNussbaum]

@@RickVermeulen-ll5qe Thank you for supplying that citation, Rick. *Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers* says: _"Jerusalem is the beloved city...."* *The Pulpit Commentary* says: _"The beloved city" is evidently Jerusalem [...] that is, the Church of God, of which it is always a type in the Apocalypse...."_ *The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges* says: the beloved city is _"Jerusalem, which, it appears from this place only, will be the seat and capital of the millennial kingdom."_

[@garydelaney6776]

Thank you very interesting Gary cork city Ireland

[@tikkitakki3082]

Then why Jesus had to die such a horrible way on the cross if hell wasn´t eternal punishment? Jesus warned about hell... his entire teaching was to warn about the hell.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"Jesus warned about hell."* Actually, Jesus never said a single word about hell. He talked about Gehenna, yes, but Gehenna is not hell.

[@GeeRodd]

They're in hell but not in the lake of fire. Hell is just a holding cell until the final judgement. Then hell will be thrown into the lake of fire

[@Trey-g5e]

Best way to look at it.. no one knows for sure what hell will be like.. best thing to do is to avoid it at all costs.

[@dancingghostgirl2291]

But But a fear might be the only thing to get somebody to her pen, but it doesn’t lead to true repentance. Also, free will internal burning doesn’t compete with Christ/God basically say do it my way or be tortured Never-ending

[@GeeRodd]

Revelation 20:10 (NLT) "Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

[@GeeRodd]

The Bible didn't say it was parable and Jesus didn't use names in parables

[@billycorey6101]

Yes BUT THEY MIGHT NOT BE IN HELL BUT THEIR IN TORMENT!!

[@billycorey6101]

A place of TORMENT!! SO YOU MIGHT BETTER RETHINK THAT !

[@flaviaaraiza2415]

Jesus never thought about hell, he was talking about Gehenna the valley of Gannon that is located in Jerusalem. Stop the lies about hell

[@filippigl-sg1se]

Unfortunantly Hell exists and its eternal

[@mcdowellfilms966]

@@filippigl-sg1se the effects of the fire are eternal not the wicked

[@davidmynhardt5705]

Going to heaven is a misconception . There will be a new heavens and earth . The Kingdom of heaven on earth with saints reigning with Jesus . But you are demented in your thoughts , judgement wont be a party with your pals . God have mercy while still time .

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"Going to heaven is a misconception."* It does my heart good to see you write that, David. The Bible nowhere tells the followers of Christ that they are going to go to heaven. Preachers say that. The Bible doesn't.

[@IanChrist-os3od]

Jesus Christ knows GOD sends sinners to he'll I've seen hell Was just dropping 3 dark souls in

[@lisadavis4834]

Your god not the God of the Bible. Final destruction is what is promised. Eternal life is only for the righteous in Christ. Nahum 1 vs 9. KJV Isaiah 33:14-15 14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? 15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; For one to be kept alive eternally would mean that God gave them immortality.

[@lipcolorpink]

@@IanChrist-os3od sorry but that’s not biblical I’ve seen the same thing about souls dropping to a lower portal to the devil but it’s probably to deceive

[@gordonmarshall3218]

Its a spiritual fire in the center of the earth. So Jesus wasn't being honest about the rich man and Lazarus. After judgemant l thoughs not born again are thrown into the into lake of fire. There souls are thrown into lake of fire. Hell is in the center of the earth. You teach from a cult. Not biblical. Hope you find Jesus. Sounds like universalism.

[@Tom-kd7ip]

U put your life on a story. I was given all and tryed to Give it to u.but I am Thomas Do I take it all back becouse My name.if u say lier lier about me Let u not no me or my word So u can not be helped by me a dam lier.

[@Truth-f2q]

Eternal torment is a wicked demonic heresy that promotes God as a Sadist.

[@James_no_hell]

I'ma Baptist an I know the truth about hell. The truth being that it never existed and will never exist. But; I think I'll remain "Baptist".... even though it's a label that doesn't make it to Heaven. Our spirit goes to Heaven; no labels.

[@flaviaaraiza2415]

I can't stand religions, all religions

[@mihaimihai8349]

Yes, eternal is hell

[@Tom-kd7ip]

I told u but u said no to me so no u get

[@billycorey6101]

LISTEN YOU DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT JESUS AN THE 12 apostles taught was for the JEWS ONLY !!! PAULS OUR APOSTLE!! PAULS GOSPEL IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE SAVED !! UNDERSTAND THIS PEOPLE!!!! IF YOU FOLLOW THIS MAN YOU WILL FOLLOW HIM STRAIGHT TO HELL !! BECAUSE HES OTW !!!

[@Tom-kd7ip]

It said ur blow smoke.hihihi.u do no what that is don't u.

[@Tom-kd7ip]

Sudo.mean take over don't it.