VOID (S5E17) Smallville See Dead People, Lex Wears a Glove & Lana’s Junky Arch!

[@nathankruger6674]

Glad to hear Ryan had such a wonderful convention experience. You're officially part of the Smallville family forever now, Ryan!

[@vbrandy7088]

What's funny is that he's not even a fan of the show but got pulled into this 😂

[@TalkVillePodcast]

always hold on to Ryan

[@heatherrosetarot]

@@TalkVillePodcast Good one. LOL

[@tornadochaser2457]

@@vbrandy7088 Regardless of how Ryan got involved in Smallville, he's stuck with it now, so he might as well enjoy the perks.

[@vbrandy7088]

@@tornadochaser2457 He sure as hell enjoying the perks 😂

[@melcee22]

Grief never goes away, you just learn to live with it. ❤

[@TalkVillePodcast]

amen

[@heatherrosetarot]

I didn't see this comment before....very, very, true! 😢❤

[@melcee22]

No-cap-Tom! Release the hair!! Yaaasss baby!!! 🧢

[@melcee22]

Now we just need him to grow the rest of his beard!

[@aryanascardigan]

Honestly, one of Kristin's best performances on the show. The makeup they did on her really did make her look like some sort of a sleep deprived addict. I also really enjoyed seeing Clark and Jonathan meet once again, a chance for them to both say goodbye for now. The Lex and Lillian scene really showed how he still isn't entirely overshadowed by the darkness, however, the path he has chosen will eventually lead to his demise. Thanks again guys ❤️

[@TalkVillePodcast]

could not agree more

[@Costas22]

Schneider coming out of that white light is such a powerful moment! Like Clark, the viewers had already missed him badly at that moment. And Jonathan once again does what he did best on the show: He perked up his son during his lowest moment and reminded him who he can be. One of the few bright spots of the latter half of S5.

[@asyouwish3636]

yeah I sobbed watching that the 1st time - powerful stuff 😭😂

[@Costas22]

@@asyouwish3636 Hell, I sobbed watching it the other day, lol. This and his reappearance in Lazarus always hit hard. He just finds Clark at his most vulnerable and tells him what he needs to hear. Jonathan for me was always the moral compass of the show. I never got over his loss. I hoped the guys would invite Scheider back for this one. :(

[@lilacmist04]

Yes! That made me cry! Its just hits again about hard it is for Clark and us to not have Jonathan Kent around anymore.

[@Costas22]

@@lilacmist04 What gets me the most is how in the end Jonathan pushes Clark away and we can see Jonathan fading away in Clark's eye. It's kind of agonizing because you don't want him to leave.

[@jeffh06]

It’s because ejected kryptonite serum too a ‘after realm’ only temporary wormhole contact too loss family member but not long if not regain consciousness again, as much missed John Schneider’s Jonathan Kent badly but had too push him other wise he’ll never be Superman while dead🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Endure-n-Survive]

Having had a family member that had gone through drug addiction this episode really hit home for me. Kristin was absolutely incredible in this episode and was very believable. The scene where she is begging the guy to let her have the drugs was hard for me to watch. She crushed it. Kristin doesn’t get near enough the props she deserves for her acting tbh - yeah the Lex and Clark sequences were cool but her acting made this episode.

[@vbrandy7088]

I agree Kristin gave one her best performance in this episode and Lana was the catalyst of this episode that moved the story forward for the 3 main characters. The guys should had Kristin on to discuss this episode!

[@Erikamarie3]

Kristin is so talented she can do anything which is one of the reasons i really enjoy this episode. I also love the moment Clark races home to tell Martha and then Lionel is there. Such a tense moment!

[@MargaretMarie1989]

The Talkville crew: “this has to be the end of Clark and Lana right? I mean they can’t just start and end again?” Fans: “I’m gonna hold your hand when I tell you this….”

[@LivstevMotherEarth]

lol yup.

[@TalkVillePodcast]

noooooooo

[@darwiniacroft]

🤣🤣🤣

[@sema6008]

Pretty much. 😂😂😂

[@heatherrosetarot]

Yeah, I wish it was the end ...takes forever. 🙄

[@seriouslyzany9232]

Respectfully, I feel like Michael just doesn’t understand the character- he said she’s the last person to do this but how many people do you know that willingly become addicted to drugs for the hell of it? This girl has been through so much, from being orphaned, to her best friend dying trying to save her and having survivors guilt, Whitney dying in a war after she sent that video and wishing she hadn’t, her dad leaving because his wife was insufferable and competing with a child, Adam tried to kill her then Jason went psycho on her and on top of that Clark keeps lying and then leaving her, like this girl cannot catch a break. Chloe mentioned before that Lana cries herself to sleep at night - she has ALWAYS felt lonely and she brings it up again at the end of this episode / she felt lonely even when she was with Clark. She’s broken and she just wanted that unconditional love that she never had the chance grow up with to the point where dying just didn’t really seem all that bad anymore so long as she could still see her parents.

[@vbrandy7088]

Exactly!! After ALL the trauma and losses Lana experienced her becoming addicted to a serum that allowed her to see her parents when she was at her lowest point was not far stretch at all. It actually felt realistic and tragic that she went down that path. Michael really doesn't get the show or the characters apart from Lex and Lionel.

[@GeminiWolfstarGaming]

Every single point in your comment is extremely valid. With the series as a whole, I've always seen Lana as being more complex than the casual viewer thinks, and as a result she has the biggest character arc of the series. The girl has just been molded into a character that is so much more than just Clark's first love. I mean, out of all the characters from the mythos, Lana Lang is the one they could mold and shape the most as she's barely a character in the comics.

[@joellej3724]

All of this! I so wish they brought Kristin for this episode. A real missed opportunity to really get to the heart of Lana's arc and character with this one!

[@auntiewewe972]

Micheal doesn't even understand the show. What its supposed to be. What TV consisted of 20 yrs ago. And the fact this is a show where reality, normal nuance, and logical decisions take a back seat. Its combination popcorn TV, teen age drama, superhero show. It's not meant to be deep.

[@asyouwish3636]

well said! I didn't expect that comment from Michael, but considering the way in which he watchs the show I guess I get why he was confused. I also think the story-editing was a bit disconnected, so from his point of view and considering they set up zero exposition, it does seem like it's out of the blue. but honestly I do think it tracks for Lana. every time she does something awful, it's only after a complete boiling point has been reached. this girl has been emotionally abused, lied to and manipulated, abandoned in all the ways a person can be. and yet she's always gotten back up when she's down. this was just too much for her. I know she doesn't wanna believe that the break up was responsible, but the break up absolutely lead to the overwhelming feeling of being alone - as break ups tend to do under the best circumstances. this girl has NOBODY. no family she can lean on. she has her friends but she knows it's not the same, and friends don't know what the inside of a relationship looks like, only you and your partner do so they can distract you from the pain of a break up but they can't make it better. plus she's still only like 20. and even if she was a full adult, you never stop wanting your parents to make it better. they are the only one in the whole world who can say "everything will be okay" and whether it's true or not, you feel better. so I get why she did it. but I do wish the writers had done a better job setting it up and following thru

[@OrangeHatReviews]

Great episode. To answer how the needle penetrated his skin. It is established in the show that if Kryptonite is present, his skin is weak enough to be penetrated by needles.

[@keithbk]

I don't know... the very first episode of Smallville, we see Lana talking to tombstones... Take an injection and you will get to finally talk to your dead parents? I think she'd DEFINITELY be drawn to this.

[@asyouwish3636]

it felt out of character the 1st time, but now on re-watch it does make sense in a way. good point about visiting the graves! i had forgotten. . . I think Lana is so traumatized by the nonstop losses she suffers and she has attention seeking behavior in general (which makes sense given she's grudgingly gotten used to also nonstop obsession). the story-edit of the ep was off for me so it brought me out of the story but upon further discussions I can see how she would have gone done this path

[@vbrandy7088]

Exactly! Lana's trauma of losing her parents, missing them and wanting to feel closer to them was literally the foundation of the character and a recurring theme for her. Now add the fact that she was completely broken and lonely after her breakup with Clark, it's no wonder that she was drawn to this.

[@vbrandy7088]

​@@asyouwish3636I didn't feel like Lana had an attention seeking behavior. The only times she had was when she was under the influence of something: Nicodemus, Isobel and vampire virus. Other than that she was a pretty reserved person who would only opened up to Clark and Lex.

[@TalkVillePodcast]

good point

[@EnvoyOfDestinyZ]

Michaels reaction to Ryans favorite scene is hilarious 🤣

[@nickhydier1201]

This episode had one of the best moments of this episode was Clark being able to reunite with Jonathan in the afterlife. Such a powerful moment when Jon tells him that he will touch the lives of so many people as a symbol of peace and justice. Perfectly summarizes who Superman is.😀😀😀🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤

[@JaguarNZ45]

also BRAVO to Tom for sharing what he said to his son about people passing!! Beautiful and well said - and true i feel xx

[@audrajohnston2506]

Love Tom's hair! Rock the gray and no hat!

[@EmilyKresl]

Dude I totally randomly thought about how Tom Wellings' kid took his 'Talented Farter, ' book and how Tom needs to get a new one like 3 times in the last weekend. It's good to know Michael's new book is child-approved!! 😂 We can only imagine how many giggles and how much joy kids will get from pushing those fart buttons til the batteries die at least.

[@WesPeterson-lk8hd]

Micheal losing his shit at the end of the episode with Ryan’s favorite scene was the best.

[@likestoospooge]

Michael: This plot and these characters make so sense and this is all ridiculous nonsense. Michael when Lex stubs his toe: THAT WAS COOL!

[@vbrandy7088]

@@likestoospooge Facts 😂💯

[@dominique9187]

Come on guys, you're harse on this one! The makeup on Kristin is excellent, so is her performance. It sells the whole plot, even though - I agree - going from breakup to drugs is a shortcut. You didn't mention how freaking funny is this line from Allison and Clark's reaction : "Lex is Dead" 🤣 See Dead People is bold, drug addiction is not the easiest way to talk about loss. We get to see a lot of dead parents and yet, every scene is well written. Anyway, I had a good time watching this one (and Talkville, obviously), happy to hear that you all enjoyed the last convention!

[@DarthDread-oh2ne]

It brings smile to my face every time I watch this podcast.

[@TalkVillePodcast]

love it

[@lilacmist04]

Great acting from Krisitn!!!! And also Tom and Michael! This was a hard watch to see Lana going through such a rough time. Also, watching Lana, Lex, and Clark see their loved ones briefly before being ripped away was so sad. Lex's moment with his mom was both sad and haunting with her warnings for him. And that moment when Jonathan Kent steps out of the light to Clark was heartbreaking and beautiful.

[@asyouwish3636]

yeah my heart was breaking for Lana, to be spiraling like this. and i wish it had affected Clark a little more, he still loves her so much he should be seeing how the impact of his decisions affect everyone around him

[@lilacmist04]

@@asyouwish3636 Agreed. I know he has a lot going on, and probably is still reeling after seeing his dad and hearing that Lionel knows his secret, but I also wanted to have Clark react a little more to what Lana was going through.

[@asyouwish3636]

@lilacmist04 yeah I feel like that's been his M.O. since the 100th ep. maybe it's all in the editing, or maybe it's a story choice like this is all the bandwidth Clark can absorb while he's suffering from grief but it comes off as he's just phoning it in and we all know that's not the case

[@TalkVillePodcast]

She really knocked it out of the park

[@lilacmist04]

@@TalkVillePodcast Yes! Oh, and just wanted to say thanks to all of you who put on Talkville! I love the show and it makes every Wednesday morning something to look forward to. Thanks!!

[@blackdogbrown]

Michael!! I am *SO GLAD* you answered that piano question! I have been wanting to know that for YEARS!! I got closure. 😂

[@TalkVillePodcast]

the truth revealed

[@blackdogbrown]

@TalkVillePodcast Thank you! 🤗❤️

[@laurarawlins446]

@@TalkVillePodcast Michael, does it even matter what Ryan said about Lex in the episode Lexmas? that was in that episode. he was talking about that episode in a more general sense of that episode in its context I thought you guys have already moved on from that episode already..so what's with the backpedaling? lol Ryan never said Lex was repetitive. That's what you're saying.. Not Ryan.. lol 😆he said that Lex and his mother kept on having the same conversation over again. That's what he said. you gotta think for yourself man.. you can't always look to Ryan for everything. you got to draw your own conclusions about these episodes without any prompting or any assistance

[@vbrandy7088]

You should have gotten Kristin on the podcast for this one. Not only it's one of her best performance but Lana was the catalyst of this episode and she was very different in this one while still dealing with her deep trauma. It would have been great and interesting to hear Kristin's thoughts and experiences filming this episode. You guys gotta get Kristin on the pod for the episodes where her character plays a big part in the story not just for the silly episodes. Like there's a few others episodes this season like Mortal, Lockdown, Lexmas, Reckoning and now Void where it felt like a miss not having KK on.

[@VioletEmerald]

I agree! I know she might not have time or want to be on but at least give her the option and prioritize her in the episodes all about her... or where she has quite the interesting scenes...

[@seriouslyzany9232]

@@vbrandy7088 I agree it was a total miss on their part. Someone even mentioned this very episode to her at her panel with Tom and this was before Tom had even watched it so they could have planned something while they were all there together ? She was so excited talking about it too and remembered the bags under her eyes and the drug addiction parts - she said she loved it because she didn’t have to look pretty, she felt free 😂

[@michiekoy8711]

She actually talked about this on one of the panel thing , and she said this was her favorite episode because she felt free and didn’t have to look pretty all the time

[@vbrandy7088]

@@michiekoy8711 yeah I saw Tom and Kristin's panel where they were asked about Void. She didn't say it was her favorite episode tho she said that she enjoyed not having to look pretty and that she felt free. But apart from that she didn't really remember the episode if she had rewatched it for the podcast I'm sure she would have a lot more to say about the episode and she could have talked about her scenes with Tom, Michael and the guests stars of this episode.

[@asyouwish3636]

I can't wait for Michael's reactions as the Lex/Lana story unfolds over the next 20-30 eps! but can we all agree not to spoil it for Michael (and Ryan of course) cuz he legit doesn't know what happens w Clark/Lana, or anything after S7

[@Nebraska60]

Michael channeling his inner Lex with his outrage at the end.

[@Marvellous132]

Fun Fact: We've seen the single glove on Lex in his future before. The precognitive dream of Cassandra, about Lex in Hourgalss, waaaay back in Season 1. The scene where Lex is in his white suit and it starts raining blood, he has the glove then too.

[@TalkVillePodcast]

ahhh yep. good point. true

[@erminljuca5169]

TOM! I was at Comic Con in Stockholm and got to meet you. Its been my Dream for so many years and I got a picture with you and could not get anything out and I barely remember what happened. I honestly just wanted to say that I watched Smallville with my dad here in Sweden before he passed. We Never watched anything or hung out together but Smallville was the one thing that we did together. He didnt understand english or swedish(subtitles) but we still watched you guys. Thank you for that.

[@seriouslyzany9232]

do you know if they allowed recordings? I love watching the panels on here if i can since I never get to go

[@erminljuca5169]

That was my first comic con, and they didnt allow recordings. You basically stand in line, go up to Tom, say hi, get a picture and you are out of there. :( I would recommend probably getting an autograph of you want to express your love

[@seriouslyzany9232]

@@erminljuca5169 ahhh so it wasn’t actually a panel like a Q&A? He was just signing?

[@lewisbull891]

I rate this episode a half rose! The scene where Clark sees Jonathan is perfect, definitely makes me think it wasn't a drug trip.

[@charlenekillian5135]

Regarding Lana’s wardrobe, I’m pretty sure she wore black all of season 4 other than her prom dress. It isn’t until she’s back with Clark in season 5 that she wears bright colors again.

[@Endure-n-Survive]

That’s an awesome detail, I’ll have to look out for that on the next rewatch

[@vbrandy7088]

Yup Lana wore dark colors all season 4, I remember it vividly Lana's style evolved from S3 to S4. And even when she got back with Clark she still wore dark colors like brown, grey etc but she would mix it up in some episodes with bright colors.

[@seriouslyzany9232]

@@vbrandy7088 wasn’t she wearing darker colors as Isabel though? But when she was Lana she was back to her usual attire?

[@vbrandy7088]

@@seriouslyzany9232 She wore dark colors all through season 4 whether she was Lana or under Isobel's spell.

[@redlox2]

46:44 I love how freaked out Michael got when his pick for “Ryan favorite scene” was wrong!

[@leilani_nichelle]

I hate to say it, but it was a satisfying twist seeing someone manipulate Lex the way he's always manipulating others to get his way. As mentioned in the Lucy episode, (and one of my favorite Smallville quotes to use in every day life) Lana played him like a Stradivarius. 😂 Given the events coming in Season 6, this seems like foreshadowing of the core of Lana and Lex's relationship. (Lies, manipulation etc.) It's just sad to think that all of the years Clark lied to Lana and Lex, it ultimately pushed them together. I think that is the basis of their bond, and good old Clark Kent is to blame. 🤦🏾‍♀️ Also, Cruiseville?! I'm putting down my deposit as we speak! 🚢🎉

[@luisi220]

Good episode…the Lex scene with his mother and Clark’s scene with Jonathan were just awesome !!

[@vbrandy7088]

Void was a dark episode that moved the story for Clark, Lana and Lex. I felt for Lana all she ever wanted was to stop losing the people that she loved and for Clark to be honest with her. In Void we see her at her lowest point trying to cop with her breakup with Clark and trying to find comfort in her parents. Lana missing her parents and trying to feel closer to them was the foundation of the character since the pilot. That feeling was exemplified when she lost Clark, she was broken and felt more alone than ever. The end of the ep felt hopeful hinting to her healing journey but alas things got darker in the future with Lex... Clark and Lex's death experience moments revealed a lot of their future. Clark's futur as a symbol of hope and justice and Lex's future of death and destruction. While that experience was helpful for Clark with Jonathan telling him about Lionel knowing his secrets, Lex was in strong denial about the person he became, still lying to himself and the people around him.

[@Endure-n-Survive]

Tom saying it’s hard to make Kristin look bad but - am I the only one that thought she still looked good even as an addict? 😂

[@seriouslyzany9232]

@@Endure-n-Survive I mean that just proves his point doesn’t it? It’s hard to make her look bad because she STILL looks good on crack 😂

[@vbrandy7088]

He didn't say that she looked bad he said "it's hard to make Kristin look like that" meaning it must have took a lot of work from the makeup artist to make a beautiful woman like her look like that. They made Lana look like a crack head but Kristin is naturally beautiful so we could still see that underneath all that rought makeup there's a beautiful woman.

[@VenomKitetsu]

I've dated a couple drug addicts. It is possible for them to look fire, sadly. No physical warning signs like a poison plant.

[@pizzaslapper]

Chloe's hacking skills are hinting at the fact that she is a meteor freak which I am pretty sure it is mentioned in future season when Braniac accidentally enhances her.

[@smh4683]

Plus, she had a highly developed sence of justice. That is what motived her later on to man the Watchtower and backing up Oliver. And that's stayed with the character. She's the prototype for Felicity Smoak in Arrow.

[@theresemarkham9387]

For me this episode had elements of Scare and I enjoyed the nod back to Lexmas. The GPS line needs to be on a shirt. Martha telling Lionel friendship is all that is going to happen is powerful. One of my favorite parts of this episode was the little pause that John took when saying Good night Clark. That little pause before Clark gave me chills. Lex’s nightmare was the most telling. Great podcast

[@Quincyee1011]

Currently going through a rewatch with my wife who’s watching it for the first time. It’s great to have this podcast too!

[@cheezettegazette]

Death ends a life, not a relationship.

[@nickhydier1201]

Also, it certainly was such a treat to have Ryan at the Salute to Smallville con. The panel with all 3 of you guys was such a fun way to conclude Saturday night. 😀😀

[@jonboypatton]

Clark must have gone through a hell of a lot of shoes with all that super speed running.

[@LiLisa24]

Love this podcast sooo much and love being a patron of it ❤ Thank you for doing it guys ❤️ Happy TALK VILLE Wednesday ❤

[@JaguarNZ45]

Oh wow! Go Ryan thats rad :) Tom needs to wear his cap off more often!

[@oldmenon8309]

Smallville is the new Goonies for my family. Anytime we need a feel good nostalgia...."Somebody Saaaaave me!"

[@Spoonah]

I gotta say, Welling looks great with the Salt & Pepper look

[@asyouwish3636]

🌹crazy ep! great performance by Kristin, loved her makeup, so real. How much pain she must be in. Lana is completely broken. As tedious as she's been you can't help but feel sorry for her. Everyone she's loved has abandoned her in one way or another. She doesn't wanna face the loss of Clark but the grief is consuming her. so heartbreaking when she says to Clark "it wasn't because of us" that denial is exactly what leads her to Lex later on. I'm so confused by this guy lol the med student running human experiments on the side.1st he is cautious w the chemical to prevent permanent death, then when he gets caught he doesn't hesitate to murder Lex! lol then he chases after Lana (knowing she'll most likely kill herself) and stops her from dosing only to dose her himself WTF it's like they just needed there to be a specific villain for Clark to fight mid-script. oh man and the way he went out! so gross lol the whole Honduran side plot felt a bit disconnected, they keep sprinkling it into these eps w no connection to the main plots. just a bit disruptive in the editing. the Lionel and Martha scenes are great, Annette and Glover have such effortless chemistry and play off each other so well. would have liked to see Martha's response to Clark telling her about his vision of Jonathan. interesting vision Lex sees, his mother pissed at him, gives an insight into who she was when she was alive. and yet another warning for Lex that he choses to deny about his future and his impact on the world. beautiful scene w Jonathan 😭 More fallout from Clark's original decision to hide the truth from Lana, which is so very plot induced all to get Lana to this low point, to be so reckless that later she'll blindly believe in Lex despite so many red flags she'll experience w him in the next handful of eps, not to mention what she already knows about him 💔

[@Costas22]

Lana still had to get that little dig at Clark when she said "I felt alone even when I was around other people". She meant him in particular, but she was civil about it. I mean, not that I blame her since Clark has constantly been portrayed as the villain of the relationship... I will say this much though. At least this scene has an air of maturity to it. And the lack of music (very rare for Clana scenes) is kind of eerie too. For me it's the last decent scene they would have for a year.

[@floodgates182]

I think she turns to Lex for revenge on Clark rather than any other reason. And it works, he becomes increasingly obsessed with her, as he hates not being able to save people. Remember, after the breakup she immediately runs to Lex and informs him that he's been bumped up in the queue. Pretty dark move.

[@asyouwish3636]

@floodgates182 that's connected to her attention seeking behavior, I don't think Lana consciously is trying to get back at Clark but yeah it does make sense for her to want him to feel the pain and suffering she is going through and turning to his enemy would be a good way to do that. I think Lana is too compassionate to purposely be cruel, however she consistently leads w her emotions. it is in her character's nature to not see clearly when she's in pain. and the break up, regardless that it was simultaneously sudden and months in the making, is so devastating to her that it knocks reality off course. IRL they've shown that breakups affects the same part of the brain as grief. so for Lana, this is like another death and its more than she can take 💔

[@floodgates182]

@asyouwish3636 What makes you think she's compassionate? She already cheated on Whitney, then complained that he didn't trust her with his life crisis. She's not compassionate with Clark, understanding that simply some things require a large amount of trust to talk about, and that maybe she hasn't earned that trust, yet. Compassion is really not one of her main features. Later she will go on to torture Lionel which is the antithesis of compassion. I will agree that she doesn't consciously calculate how to do damage to Clark, but rather it is her instinctual cruelty, led by her arrogance and entitlement.

[@asyouwish3636]

@floodgates182 wait how did she cheat on Whitney? when he decided, unilaterally, to long-distance their relationship by going half way around the world to fight in a war he expressed zero interest in until the day he signed up, and expected a 15 yr old to wait around for him? esp knowing she had been trying to break up w him for a while (even if he only knew it subconsciously) I can't believe I'm defending her lol but she has been very compassionate w Clark this whole season, and the times she wasn't were completely plot-induced and not character driven. like, Clark never gave her any warning or explanation for pulling away. he could have easily started by saying he's overwhelmed by the near-death experience and he needs time to get comfortable in his own skin again something like that, and considering he got shot in August and his father shockingly dies in January, that's a very completely reasonable time frame for anyone to not get back into their normal selves so if he had prepared her (for his pulling away) she would have been even more patient. she was getting frustrated, understandably, up until Jonathan's death because of Clark. she was reacting to him. but once Jonathan died, she was incredibly patient and understanding - look how she reacts at the start of Hypnosis when he not so subtlety turns down her invitation. she gives no condescension, she truly feels no rejection or hurt cuz she understands his pain (ie compassion) Lana has alot of flaws, but disloyalty isn't one of them. in fact, her loyalty has hurt her in the past and we all know what it does to her in S6.

[@daciaday376]

Thank you for talking about grief. I lost my grandmother day before yesterday. Not my first close loss but they don’t get easier. However, “this too shall pass”. I have a hard time talking about grief so I appreciate you both talking about it.

[@FatimaTomsEnough]

Wishing you guys the best of luck with "CruiseVille" in June, 2025! Thanks for the FUN Talk Ville despite the depth of the seriousness of "Void", and it's great to see you guys actually discuss in detail the special moments in this one! Tom is great as Clark in every scene, and Clark meeting Jonathan again is the most epic one! Tom's look when Lionel shuts the door is also flawless! Lance is definitely "a jerk", and the "Flatliners" reference is accurate! Love how Jeannot didn't play any background music during the end scene with Clark and Lana, but they are far from over. Like Tom mentioned, fingers crossed for Alisen Down to appear as a guest on the podcast. Congratulations To Karen R!

[@laceyw5462]

Listening to the episode while at work at 4imprint and hearing Michael sing our jingle is fantastic.

[@careyjohnson919]

17:05 good lawd, Annette O'Toole is stunning!!!

[@bilalmerhi542]

🌹1.5 "Void" Kristin great, Jonathan Kent great, Lex scenes great especially when he lies to Lana about his mother "proud of the man" he's becoming. Good continuity there. Overall, I liked this episode.

[@codycline6678]

The justice society is so far my favorite episode. When they introduce the justice society. I was nerding out hard core.

[@divinelangene6813]

The episode is called absolute justice and it really is one of the best of the show

[@gigigmd]

15:30 Good deduction! Even in this regard, they belittle Lana's character, her parents are the only ones who don't tell her anything!

[@GeminiWolfstarGaming]

Lana (or Kristin, whichever you prefer), is, admittedly, a very beautiful junkie, all things considered.

[@Costas22]

The woman was cursed to look beautiful, no matter her age, her make up, her hair or her clothing.

[@asyouwish3636]

​@@Costas22lol cursed? 🤔

[@Costas22]

@@asyouwish3636 Being so beautiful probably comes with a fair amount of stalkers and desperate horny men chasing you, I suspect. 🤣

[@fedwyn]

Lex: Lana Lang can come here any time Guards: But sir, she attacked you a few weeks ago Lex: Did I stutter?

[@codybettelyoun1979]

I've always hated this episode and my parents were drug addicts never knew why it hit me so hard until looking back

[@lincoln2324]

I liked this episode because we can see that even characters like lana can have unresolved issues and flaws, and what they're willing to do sometimes, Kristen kreuk really nailed it with her performance here. It was a cool episode. The best part was the scene with Jonathan and then the little moment that Clark had with Lionel 20:38 NO, IT WAS NOT. IT WAS A GREAT EPISODE

[@TNK689]

My dad passed away last year and since then, Smallville hits differently.

[@latifahraleb2137]

Sorry for your loss 😢

[@andrewetaylor25]

Such a surprisingly strong episode!!! ❤

[@tornadochaser2457]

So, this episode doubles as successfully showing Lana's struggle to deal with her break-up with Clark, and creates the ability to access and talk to deceased loved ones, so we can very interestingly see what Jonathan and Lex's mother has been up to since the episode, "Reckoning", for the former, and the episode, "Lexmas" for the latter. Clever! It's fitting to see Clark chasing after Braniac's tracks, soon after Lex gets their first with his vast resources from the previous episode. The Braniac thread generates interest as he is a menacing, powerful presence - A goal-oriented alien entity feels like a suitable step-up from the show's more simple, early years. The Lilian Luthor and Jonathan sequences are eerie and dramatic, and leave a huge and exciting impression. A great episode overall.

[@masonpierce3086]

You shouldn't be championing Lana saying she'll be happy without Clark when she's the villain of his story, constantly betraying him and never grateful for like the 10 times he's literally saved her life, and literally started doing drugs without him.

[@DanKeeleyMusic]

Bryce, you're getting UNHINGED with the clips. 😅 "The talented farter!" *Cue thick gas falling from the sky*

[@jasonworlock5113]

⚾🏜 I'm not sure of what happened off camera, but from what is shown in the video Ryan makes no mention of Lex's Mom. He does joke about Lex wearing one glove and then jokes about Lex learning the moon-walk.

[@ace360]

2:00 Thanks Ryan! 🤘

[@tjcarr8097]

Your patron started watching the show 4 years behind me and she’s watched the series through double than what I have 😂 I’ve probably watched it through 3 times up to this point

[@ronbanks5467]

Tom said Clark should’ve lost the jacket when he went to honduras but I don’t think Clark really gets hot right? I mean he’s been on fire a few times…

[@amaliareynoso]

This episode made me so emotional for Lana 😔

[@seriouslyzany9232]

@@amaliareynoso she’s the only morally good character that is repeatedly kicked down - it’s actually weird if you think about it - she’s never really had a run of “good episodes” and I’m not talking about being a FOTW target or a plot device for an episode, I mean she just goes through traumatic event after traumatic event and it only gets worse in S6, that it’s actually remarkable she’s still good natured and wanting to help people by the end of it. It’s a shame they only kept her as a point of contention between Clark and Lex because - as seen here and even by the end of her arc - she can definitely hold her own, had they given character even a little respect

[@amaliareynoso]

I completely agree with you. I get that superhero stories 9 times out of 10 deal with the characters losing their parents, but her storyline is just trauma after trauma just like you said. And for the longest time I felt like I can relate to her in the aspect of feeling alone. And yeah, I get that the show has to go based on the comics where Clark and Lois end up together and maybe I’m just too invested in the plot, but it really bugs me the way Clark dealt with their separation and their break up. I know that he meant to break up with her for her “benefit” as he sees it, but just the way he went about it. It was kind of giving the impression that he didn’t care about her even though I’m sure he did and I know people are gonna have their opinions about it and I’m just being a big baby about it 😂, but I feel like the way he decided to break things off with her was a big slap in the face for her, so yeah, this episode was cheesy as most people would see it, but I don’t blame her for doing something crazy as these near death experiences just to feel loved and welcomed and watching the whole show for the second time, I also don’t blame her for going to Lex more often in these coming episodes. Because when I watched it for the first time around these episodes, I really hated Lex lol but now watching it for the second time, he’s not really to blame but again this is the way the story is supposed to go I suppose so that the plot can go aligned with the comics

[@sandraviana7593]

​​Se ela fosse tão boa ,conseguiria sozinha ganhar seu próprio espaço teve 8 longas temporadas pra ela ter conseguido isso,a partir da 4 temporada a personagem dela só foi para ladeira a baixo! Nesse episódio só mostrou como ela e fraca e influenciável e não tem nada haver com traumas ali na série vários teve perdas e traumas TB ,isso não diz nada sobre uma pessoa ,Lana antes de querer fazer o bem para as pessoas ela teve o poder de Clark que a corrompeu e queria fazer justiça com sua próprias mãos,então pra mim Lana foi uma personagem não evolutiva e não merecia o destaque que teve tantos anos,tinha personagem mais interessante que merecia muito mais oportunidade,como foi Alicia ,merecia mais tempo na série. Fora Lois que pra mim merecia mais respeito por sua personagem ser original,Lana ganhou mais destaque que ela ,já tinha passado o colégio Lana não fazia mais parte ,mais em Smallville tudo foi muito diferente do original,mais incluíram Lois e não deveria ela como 2 plano sendo uma personagem tão importante para o HQs e para Clark.​@@seriouslyzany9232

[@seriouslyzany9232]

@@amaliareynoso Clark has been called an idiot repeatedly for the way he broke up with Lana in Hypnotic - across all platforms lol so you’re definitely not alone there - the writing for that episode was just tragic in itself

[@korryngregg9119]

I love you guys so much! When you talked about grief got to me so much. You guys say it so beautiful!

[@lindamawdsley6130]

Somewhat disturbing and rather unsettling episode, thanks for the informative discussions🙂

[@gigigmd]

17:15 Good intervention from Michael, character and attitudes of parents or the environment are challenges, but they do not predetermine the behavior of children!

[@GeminiWolfstarGaming]

Whenever I watch the pilot and Lex asks Clark if he fell far from the tree, I always say, "Even farther."

[@MarkusR144]

Very much appreciate Michael giving proper respect to the glove. When I think about full on villain Lex, I think of the glove.

[@brian7333]

Don't know if this podcast series generates any income for the boys but it's a great watch for us Smallville fans. (🤫 I think they enjoy making it )

[@andrewcasner1998]

Got my question aired on the 100th episode where I asked . Should we have kept Lana die and have the relationship end that way? And keep Jonathan around a few more years? Because yes Michael they get back together 2 or 3 more times before it's officially over. And it always felt so dragged out just for fans sake and got old so fast. I think it would've been more impact full if Jonathan died. Clark stopped it from happening. Killing Lana instead . Or just killing her and no time travel

[@chand911]

Lana was defined by the loss of her parents for multiple seasons. I don't see how this is a crazy turn for her.

[@BelleyPuffy]

I think it was a good episode. The serum storyline was a means to an end. It was great to see Jonthan again, and I'm happy he talked to Clark and warned him from Lional. We see Lex's mom again which gives us a glimpse of Lex's future. I liked the scenes between Lex and Lana, Michael and Kristin have good chemistry and their scenes are really great and have layers of emotion. I think there was a lot of stuff happening but it was good and to the point. I will give this episode 🌹 🌹.

[@jonathancastro3106]

My favorite part of the episode, and that has been with me throughout all this years is Impromptu, by Franz Schubert. That's why I love Smallville.

[@Costas22]

It doesn't seem like it, but Tom actually had a reduced screentime in this episode because he was prepping to direct the next episode. It would actually become part of the course that actors directing an episode would have few scenes in the previous one. Void was one of those episodes where they covered his absence well. In others, like Static or Sleeper, his absence is badly felt.

[@asyouwish3636]

yeah but the story-edit was still a little off for me. the Milton Fine deviation. .you could def tell his scenes (even the off camera ones) were shot separately and it kinda made me wish they didn't sprinkle him so much over so many eps, in retrospect. plus the way they slam shut the ep was supposed to be foreshadowing (they did it same for Jonathan a couple eps b4 he dies) but here it felt out of place only because they didn't build to it. but I'm just nitpicking lol you know i have nothing but love for the show

[@Costas22]

@@asyouwish3636 My guess is that Tom did those exterior shots at the same time Michael did them with James Masters for Hypnotic. It's not much, but at least it gave him an added presence to this episode. If he hadn't done them, he would have only been in this episode for the Chloe scene and then for the last 10 minutes. Plus, it was nice to see the Brainiac stuff a bit followed up on this week. Now we know that Clark knows he's still alive. I agree that it was a bit choppy though.

[@nicolelylewis]

That piano trick, they did something similar on Dukes of Hazzard. There’s an episode, I think the gambling 18-wheeler one, where Uncle Jesse is showing them all of his card tricks and doing different shuffling tricks, but those hands are actually John Schneider’s 😆 he just stuck his arms down Denver’s shirt or whatever and that’s how they did that shot 😁

[@jeffh06]

46:32 Omg Lol!!😂🤣 in Michael’s reaction ether Ryan lied or double crossed in favorite scene🙂‍↔️😂

[@arielotx]

it´s soo funny watch the episodes after the podcast , thz for the hard work !

[@darthgouki]

I think Clark keeps the red jacket in Honduras because extremes of hot and cold don't really affect him like they do with other people. Ultimately, I think he only wears clothes to fit in with the rest of humanity. He needs clothes for comfort, not for protection from the elements like the rest of us.

[@ChatsChaptersCooking]

That security detail for Lex though.........MIA always.......worlds worst, you would think he can afford better! 🤣

[@MichaelJohnson-yn8ge]

RIP Tony Todd🙏🏽🕊️

[@chadjohnson4327]

Clark was able for the needle to go through his skin because of the green-k

[@heatherrosetarot]

Is Ryan coming to the next Smallville Con? I hope so! Thanks guys - it has been a stressful day, and it was a fun distraction to watch the podcast. ❤ Thanks for the humor, too. Tom, if this is season is dragging, how are you going to make it to season 10? LOL (please make it through seasons 8 -10, they're my favorite. ☺️) Anyway, my 2 favorite scenes were the near-death experiences of Lex and Clark. I rewatched "Void" today, and I have to say, the scene when Jonathan's spirit talks to Clark, I cried a bit. Well, I also cry when Jonathan appears to Clark in season 10, but I'll get into that when you get to that season. Lana definitely has been through a lot. Even though it may be out of character that she would go to such extremes, I can see why she would want to connect with her parents. I like how the episode ended, too. Even after they really part ways for the last time (seasons after this one,) I think Clark still just wants her to be happy, and in the end, she will be okay (I like to think Lana becomes the hero of her own life, after her final character arc.) Shout out to the Patron Karen - I'll always remember my favorite teacher in high school. They encouraged me to pursue art as a career. I also love the storytelling in Smallville! In regards to one of the call-in questions...Wow Tom - you said you became an asshole? Really? Looking forward to next week's Podcast. I really like the next episode. Lois tries to help Clark, the artistic girl with powers, etc...

[@redlox2]

Can I just say this? Smallville really likes it kick Lana when she is down here. Happy Wednesday everyone!

[@asyouwish3636]

yeah they pretty much do her dirty for the rest of the series. starting w S4, missed opportunity for her to be an independent character. by now she's a plot device and it never gets better for her

[@floodgates182]

Well, Lana was a cheater from S1, she was never meant to be more than the disloyal super hero girlfriend trope, and they overdid it. She's never been very interesting as a character, never growing, never self critical, never questioning her bad behaviour, never called out on it, either. I can't really feel sorry for her at any point, as she never feels sorry for her victims.

[@Endure-n-Survive]

@@floodgates182damn, who hurt you?

[@floodgates182]

@@Endure-n-Survive Huh?

[@vbrandy7088]

@@Endure-n-Survive dude definitely confused Lana with Lex 😂 Lex was the one doing evil and psycho shit all the time without questioning his bad behavior. All Lana was doing when she wasn't possessed by something was going to school, studying the meteor shower and asking Clark to be honest with her. Also trying to stay alive with all the meteor freaks attacks she suffered from 😩

[@ericadler9680]

This was good stuff, I love those memories of the dead parents. 2 roses!

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks to Rosey, Ryan and Tom! 🦸

[@lovelywaz]

Thanks for S05E17! 🥂🥂🍻🍻

[@HumorNWaffles]

I was so sad to hear about Michael's grandmother passing. The Talk Ville episode where he took her phone call was very sweet. God bless her soul and the rest of the Rosenbaum family. 💔 Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. ~Amen~

[@angelofmercy8448]

19:27 😂😂😂 oh Michael…. 😂

[@isocitrateDH]

oh Michael.... wait for another 2 seasons LOL

[@trevorgerardfrederick]

​@@isocitrateDH Especially because the story arc that takes Lana out for good is caused by a body doubled Lex Luthor lmfao

[@kunonabi]

Michael is going to need to accept that consistency in Lana's writing is something he's not going to see for the rest of the show. At least not in a good way.

[@stellaharris4826]

Really like this episode- always wonderful when Lillan Luthor appeared. I thought it made sense Lana might try drugs to help her escape. LOVE Lex showing up saying, ummm, it's a Porsche, it has a tracker. Top notch performances too, i thought.

[@rebeccaoleary3318]

Yay Tom’s beautiful hair is showing, please don’t cover it up with a ball cap🧢 because you have to most beautiful hair.

[@JayDay32]

Shout out to Flatliners. Very similar story and feel.

[@RayNotCharles]

I think one of the main parts that confused me, though, specifically with Lana‘s visions, is it’s almost like the writers completely forgot about the whole season that they dedicated to Lana finding her illegitimate biological dad in Henry small. But then again, I guess it’s the one that she grew up with that she always knew as Dad even though he I guess was not actually her biological dad. I don’t know. Like we always say, suspend disbelief. It’s just kind of funny how Henry small has never been brought up a single time ever again after season two

[@stanzelko5243]

Michael is such a sore loser.😂😂. Ryan should have stirred him a bit more.😂😂

[@commanderkal-el6237]

No interesting things of note jingle? LOL! Love you guys, love the podcast.

[@isaacking2862]

Should we tell Michael that Clark and Lana go back and forth for another 2.5 seasons?

[@CyborgvValianceDogh]

THE RASPBERRY WHILSTLE BLOWER BY THE 2 RONNIES SEQUEL BOOK BY MICHAEL 😢