Ep. 128 | Do Suppressors Affect Accuracy?

[@Gummbeh]

Maybe I misunderstood how you guys were explaining it but it sounds like you have it backwards. Accuracy is how close to a true value your results are ( how close to the xring). Precission is how repeatable your results are (how tight your group is regardless of where it's landing in regards to the POI).

[@TheOutdoorGeneralist]

Yep, you are correct. They've got accuracy and precision reversed.

[@Gummbeh]

@@TheOutdoorGeneralist I hate being that internet nitpicker but I was second guessing myself for a bit there lol. Great show as always :)

[@redrock425]

It is bad when those putting themselves out there don't do a quick check that their information is correct. As you say they got it reversed. Makes you question the rest of their advice...

[@joearledge]

@@redrock425 yeah, it makes you question everything for the rest of the discussion. It also makes me question them as a company. As an optics manufacturer, accuracy and precision play a massive role in the research, development, design, manufacture, and testing of their products. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of the guys sitting at the table are engineers of one kind or another, in which case the difference between accuracy and precision should be as clear to them as the difference between a toaster and a car. I would say it was a tongue slip, but they continue to use the 2 incorrectly.

[@skyahn83]

When your love of studying about barrel pressurization takes you down the rabbit hole of studying about air barrier systems in buildings: 43:08.

[@ShurkMan413]

36:30, that's actually one of the issues on the original M16A1s in Vietnam is the 60's era metallurgy, full auto with hot ammo, and non free floated barrels made insane POI shifts when it gets hot.

[@ericb6390]

It was the 1/12 barrels mainly for accuracy, those other issues may have slightly contributed but was primarily the 1/12 twist barrels, we have 1/7 twist now and still no free float, and still ran hot barrels when was in, and yet had sub moa accuracy with our m4s

[@honda450rider87]

*Jimmy, they already make a slinky that surrounds your projectile from muzzle to impact point, its called a solid state LASER. Just got mine truck freight from "GHINA," delivery driver was tired though.*

[@nathan_waineo]

You have accuracy and precision mixed up. Accuracy is how close to intended point, precision is grouping.

[@airgunusa6643]

Exactly!

[@WheatBread006]

Yep he got it backwards

[@bellpaleale]

Thank you!

[@TonicTonio]

Yes! Was hoping someone else noticed!

[@jacobjones4453]

What are the top 10 Suppressors under the 1000 range I looking for one for night hunting for coyotes running a 6.5 Creedmoor

[@kendyluu]

Omega 300

[@jheasley1]

Really Enjoy all your videos on suppressors

[@housingcriminal]

I've got a sig rattler in 300 black out, and I threw on a dead air sandman S because it's the only suppressor I own at the moment, and it has drastically widened my group size . I'm talking like 5-7 moa at 50 yards . I checked the baffles , the muzzle device, and there's no signs of baffle strikes of any sort . Can't seem to find anyone else having these issues or any potential solution other than buying a new suppressor

[@baconhandjob]

Did you figure out what was up? I’d try some different ammo

[@Honkers716]

Got to 13:53 and realized I'm a 300 wsm guy and this ain't for me 😂

[@VortexNation]

😂😂😂

[@E1337Jerk]

So we should try purging a suppressor with an inert gas like co² or argon to see if it helps with frp could just use a little piece of tape to keep it in there

[@cameronwilson3800]

That was a good one. Thanks guys!

[@tomlongbow]

Since then companies like Roedale in Germany have produced 3D printend Titanium Supressors that are very effective. PS „Wet supressor“ I‘d like to call BS on that gel and wipe mention. When filled to the point that you need wipes you are close to creating a hydraulic problem. Any sort of high temperature grease applied to the first expansion chamber will work well as the main function is to reduce the temperature of the gasses by going from solid to liquid thus using up energy and decreasing the volume of the gasses. Just my 2 cents. Of the soapbox now. If you find spelling errors you may keep them. It‘s just my second language. Have a good one. 👋🏻

[@pirobot668beta]

Barrel harmonics are a thing: the BOSS barrel weight system has proven that many times over. Brakes, suppressors are no different. It really is an Art, finding a barrel device that does the job but doesn't widen your groups. In a perfect world, elements of BOSS (small calibrated weights carefully positioned) could be incorporated into 'cans'.

[@wildrangeringreen]

adjust the loading... problem solved. You hang a 1 lb weight off the end of any barrel and see if the grouping changes lol. People sell barrel tuners for target rifles to do the exact same thing.

[@Kaiserland111]

Computational Fluid Dynamics is the study of fluid flows, and that is what you were talking about with programs that can model suppressor performance.

[@grantmedical]

Sorry…. Your definition is completely wrong… Accuracy is simply being able to hit the target that you want to hit… It is accuracy NOT precision which is “the total package” (including the ability of the shooter)… You can have a gun system which is “precise enough” for a particular target such that it is capable of 2” groups at a 100 yards when your target is a deer… But that will not be a gun I would use for a 100m Bench Rest Competition as it is not “precise enough” in that environment… Where as precision is the degree to which the “system” (gun / barrel / projectile combination) is capable of repeatability…. You can be accurate but not have a great degree of precision and you can have a precision system but through the shooter’s inability to adjust his zero or due to weakness in marksmanship be completely inaccurate! Hope this correction is taken well… Cheers, Dr. Matthew Grant, Captain of the LANDAK HFT Shooting Club.

[@Paintballguru92]

Literally debating this right now on SnipersHide lol.

[@garretthegun4982]

Why not sight in your rifle with a dedicated suppressor. This could change the debate to, does shooting your rifle without a suppressor change POI?

[@redrock425]

I thought that was normal. Bought a suppressor, use it on one rifle, sighted it in and only shoot it with that suppressor on it. I'm just a target shooter though so maybe not typical.

[@christopherdrekr1078]

Feeew & i thought just buying one with the right thread would work. Was i wrong !

[@justinreynolds3167]

I’m wondering if you guys think the “Banish 30” suppressor would be a good thread on suppressor for my Tikka T3 .300 wsm? (Yes, I’m a fan of the .300 wsm…ha)

[@reddawng43x91]

Suppressors aren’t really made for magnum loaded ammo

[@wvlongshooter3912]

It would work great!! That is a very quiet can.

[@msquared9605]

@@reddawng43x91then why are a lot of 30cal cans rated up to 300 RUM?

[@JacobTerherst]

Those doors are called "Flying Jenny" according to Jerry Clower and Marcel Leadbetter.

[@reddawng43x91]

The answer is yes

[@joeyp6363]

Hmm. My thunderbeast caused an 18" poi shift (up). 2 moa right. On a gas gun. 308.

[@johnstewart8849]

An hour and 20 mins for a yes/no answer?

[@zacharyclifford8339]

Every 3 decibels is twice the intensity (loudness).

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Suppressors affect harmonics. As long as you load develop using them then they do not affect accuracy or precision. That’s an old wive’s tale. Load develop without one then add one and mostly it’s the point of impact that changes, not precision. I’m surprised you guys made such a meal of this instead of recognising the harmonics shift needing load dev or zeroing using the suppressor fitted. Also you seem to confuse precision with accuracy. Accuracy is poi matching poa. Precision is on how tight your groups are.

[@redrock425]

Tells me they don't fully understand it.

[@WantingWilderness]

You have precision and accuracy backwards. Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value (bullseye). Precision refers to how close measurements of the same item are to each other (group).

[@6Diego1Diego9]

These guys are the biggest dorks

[@neccron9956]

Every 3db it twice

[@connerm4850]

He has accuracy and precision backwards lmao