#10MinuteTalk

[@joshsusic6699]

Hey guys, I am the owner of Creative Outdoors, I make the Slik Sling that you have shown in this video. Just wanted to take a second and thank you guys for the great review of my sling, really means alot! If you ever have any issues with the sling please let me know, I will take care of it, and that goes for anyone that has purchased one of my products. Thanks again guys, its very humbling to see hunters like you going out of their way to discuss my product in such a positive way, really means the world. Good luck hunting and be safe out there. Best, Josh Susic

[@VortexNation]

Josh, thanks for reaching out and the note!...And listening to to the podcast! Very cool product you have there! Mark

[@davidbarrett8351]

Gunslinger Corral Compact Rifle Holster is still the best.

[@D_Boone]

@@davidbarrett8351 You can't use that with any pack with a waist belt though. Kind of immediately makes it the worst.

[@dmesa3237]

I would like to hear a 10 min talk on hunting side arms and their carry methods; belt holster, hunting pack, chest rig like a bino harness with a pocket. Lots of options out there these days.

[@VortexNation]

That would be a good topic to dive into! We'll add it to the idea board - we appreciate it!

[@eggbert191]

I have the quake claw. That thing will rip off your shirt it so grippy. I love it. Bought it after seeing Rinella or Remi using one

[@wyattcarter2778]

Love my butler creek slings, the comfort is unmatched from everything else I’ve tried. Also really like the Uncle Mikes QD swivels as well, really a great product if you aren’t on a backcountry hunt

[@g-man2228]

Slick Sling has been updated, even better now…👊🏻🇺🇸

[@brycehiigel235]

I got the Montana Sling for my 30-30 this year. Very easy to adjust and different ways to carry. Plan on getting more for my other rifles.

[@HeloPlt35]

I use the Galco Riflemann sling. There's an adjustable loop on the fore end of the sling to put your arm/elbow through for off hand shooting, or you can just run your arm through and wrap like Mark did. The adjustable strap also works for a way to run your strong arm through the sling, bring the butt to your shoulder, tighten the strap, and the gun will lock to your shoulder and you're actually able to shoot without your weak hand even touching the rifle it's so secure. Very well padded as well. There's a video explaining how to set up and use the sling.

[@rogue5643]

I've used and like the Browning sling that opens up to be like the straps of a backpack, keeps the rifle in the center of my back or carries like a regular sling

[@nathanminich8549]

USGI sling all day. Not just for carrying the rifle, but also a marksmanship tool.

[@Aurora4804]

Magpul RLS is excellent as well

[@EdQ76]

Try the VORN Backpack. The rifle fits right into it and can easily be taken out of the backpack by pulling a tab on the shoulder strap while still keeping the backpack on

[@DanielBoone337]

Personally I carry with my rifle in a scabbard mounted to my pack because when I'm hiking I want that rifle out my way and I use a 2 point sling normally used with AR15's that has QD cups that attach to my stock... So when I'm making a final stalk my pack might get dropped and my rifle is slung in front of me but I can still have my pack on without getting in the way of my rifle and it's much faster to get that rifle up for a shot when it's slung in front of me. It also feels much more secure then the rifle slings that go over your shoulder like the more traditional hunting slings. Great video as always keepem coming guys!!!

[@Oldhogleg]

I've always found it curious how actual "shooting slings" seem to never enter the conversation; just pure "carry slings"? I also find it curious that when I see people practice with their hunting rifles, they never get off the bench/supported rest to practice any of the three common field positions such as standing, sitting/kneeling, nor prone with out a rest, but just the use of a "shooting" sling. The hasty sling method (wrapping one's support arm with the "carry" sling) is better than nothing, but pales in comparison to an actual "shooting" sling when shooting field positions with out an artificial support to rest the rifle on. This proper use of an actual "shooting" sling used to be part of the fundamentals of marksmanship decades ago, but now it appears to be a lost skill among American rifleman? The other thing I've noticed over the decades of shooting is that people no longer understand the difference in the purpose and use between the "military" prone and the Olympic "roll over" prone and fail to use the proper one, which is typically dictated by the location of either the sling swivel or a hand stop. It's a sad thing to see what was once common knowledge/skill in the use of a rifle in the field become forgotten, like a mass amnesia; it could be because the knowledge isn't being handed down, and /or people don't read books anymore, I don't know.

[@nathanminich8549]

Exactly my thoughts. No one knows how to use the old USGI web sling any more. Last year’s aoudad was shot with a loop sling/sitting at 230 yds.

[@mfallen6894]

I honestly didn't even know there were dedicated shooting slings. I've just always wrapped my support arm in the carry sling like you mentioned. It's not great, but does provide a little better support than pure off-hand. Glad you mentioned it though as I plan to look into them now

[@theoriginalDAL357]

Oldhogleg, I couldn't have said it better myself. Learning how to use a shooting sling greatly enhances confidence in the field. I took my 2020 pronghorn at 261 yards (lasered) with nothing more than my .30-06 and a sling designed for shooting, while seated. It really helped that I practiced with the sling on a bolt-action .22LR on very small targets at 25-35 yards.

[@krullux2042]

i carry a trigger stick tripod. i dont like missing. I gave up using a sling years ago. Speed isnt of interest to me. IMO there is no such thing as good ethical quick shot when hunting. Move slow, hunt slow, see them first. Happy hunting

[@Oldhogleg]

@@krullux2042 I agree, but I think you're confusing a hasty sling with the proper application of an actual shooting sling. There's a world of difference.

[@stevecochran9078]

I have a V-TAC hunting sling on my primary rifle. A lot of V-TAC's tactical sling ideas went into the hunting sling. I should have picked up a few more when I bought this one.

[@jpndave240]

If you move the lower part of the Kifaru Gun Bearer forward on your belt you can carry it vertical and won't be flagging others with the muzzle. Mark's pack belt padded section is probably too short. Eric's would work at the forward lower molle. I also prefer the upper mount a little higher on the shoulder strap. I carry my lower Gun Bearer attached to the two lower forward molle loops on the belt of my Kifaru packs. Once dialed in they work better than any other carry I have found.

[@scotteger6271]

I started using an Outdoor Connection paracord sling and I’m very happy with it. The upper part is woven paracord and the bottom is adjustable nylon strap material. If I was ever in the woods and needed paracord I could cannibalize it for the paracord. I have a narrow nylon sling that came on a used rifle that I don’t like, but it doesn’t weigh much, so I put it in my hunting pack as a backup in the even I needed to use that paracord sling. The Outdoor Connection one has some stretch/bounce in it as well and stays put on the shoulder, either on my jacket or backpack straps. They’re like $20-25, so very affordable.

[@davidbarrett8351]

Gunslinger Corral Compact Rifle Holster is Number 1. Rear and side carry, its the best.

[@bradbo3]

Those neoprene Butler creek slings are great, super comfortable....ive also used Limbsaver slings....very ergonomic. If im stalk hunting with my rifle I usually carry it on my bino harness for rapid deployment. (old military habit). But on long walks in the dark to and from camp....sling is 100% necessary.

[@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594]

I have a Butler Creek wide heavy duty neoprene sling on my 11# Remmington SP10 Turkey. I tried some other that were just too bouncy before selecting this one.

[@ronaldroehrick4872]

I really like the Ultimate Rife Sling it's simply awesome and fully adjustable for many carrying and shooting positions check out their video. Also, it steadies the rifle for offhand shooting, it actually pushes the rifle back into your shoulder and is rock solid.

[@SloganOutdoors]

The Ultimate Sling is knock-off of the original Ultraflex Sling from Slogan Outdoors. Buy the original.

[@kellyrick4365]

I bought one last week because you had a show on slings... thanks :)

[@VortexNation]

Right on!

[@ocriskylife]

What brand is that black nylon sling on the table please? thanks

[@noellasure4063]

Please bring the PRS folks in to show what slings should be. A shooting sling can be a great carry strap, but an excellent carry strap is a crappy shooting sling

[@JimmyJusa]

Thoughts on the safari sling? It allows you to have it over your shoulder and neck so it's out front basically at the ready and hands free until needed.

[@eggbert191]

My neighbor has been using one for years. He absolutely loves it.

[@JimmyJusa]

@@eggbert191 I got one this year, I like it to be able to use binos or a call when standing against a tree or something and it's still quick to grab with minimal motion

[@GurrCentral]

Wazzu hat in the back? C'mon! hahahah just razzin you guys! Thanks for the info!

[@DrBreezeAir]

Here are my two cents. If on a driven hunt 100% can do without. If out on a stalk the sling is irreplaceable.

[@VortexNation]

Very true, but a sling can be used for a number of purposes including steadying up when shooting.

[@heraldbau]

heyyyy that wasn't 10 minutess xD jokes aside, wow this was super informative for someone looking into purchasing a rifle sling!

[@1bobharvey]

I have definitely used the included gun boot that came with my pack and a piece of 550 cord to do something similar to the slik sling and the gun bearer. Kinda surprised when you guys were talking using a haste sling for stabilizeing your rifle standing no one brought up having a basic nylon sling configured as a loop sling. Loop slings work great to tighten up shots from any position or with the aid of a mono pole/bipod/tripod. For those shotgun and lever action shooters a scabbard is probably the best choice imo. Bolt guns tend to be a bit long for it I find, but I also dont have long arms.

[@joshh5853]

I’ll have to look into those quick release mounts, it’d be a pain to convert but nice once done on everything. I really like my red kettle m19. It stays on your shoulder like the quake but is still usable for off hand like the nylon strap. Not cheap, but I only have one and move it between rifles

[@jfox71]

Just ordered a Slik Sling.

[@joshsusic6699]

thank you sir

[@jfox71]

@@joshsusic6699 got it in the mail yesterday. Put it on the pack and so far so good. It will be nice not having my rifle slipping off.

[@Pi7]

Greetings, I would like advice from experienced people: What is the best rifle, caliber 223 Ansch or Steyr, made of wood? I am interested in the quality of manufacturing and accuracy. If there is a candidate rifle, tell me about it... Thank you and I hope you respond.

[@U.C.Hunter]

Yeah, I suggest a topic about 308 win especially for big game hunting applications You did 7.62x51 nato , but it was different conversation By the way I live and hunt in Saskatchewan, use 308 for all big game here, last season killed 2 elks, 1 shot each, 50 and 200 yards off hands, both very clean kills , both 308win 43gr varget 165gr gmx, Tikka T3X light stainless and scope 4-12 vortex diamond back By the way 308 is rendy newbergs favorite cartridge for elks

[@cliffy109]

17 minutes of conversation and not a single sling ever shown. Every single one discussed is a carry strap. How about an actual shooting aid like the Rhodesian or Ching or the RifleMann from Galco? Those have a loop to provide support and still useful for carrying the rifle.

[@jjbs58]

Browning 300 Wis'EM A Bolt ! ! - yEE hah! - -plain jane black $4.00 nylon . . . minimalist supreme!

[@bsquadrider]

I hate regular slings, I always had a problem with them sliding off my shoulder. I got the kifaru universal gun bearer and it's a much better system. Like you guys mentioned I'm not a huge fan that it tips forward the barrel some. I've also had an issue where the rifle wants to roll sideways some but making sure the cradle is as far back on the waist belt as it can go helps with that. It can also get a little annoying when using trekking poles that the gun straddles your armpit and you sort of have to hug the gun as you walk. I'd really like to try out that slik sling, especially for $20 it's worth a try!

[@VortexNation]

We'll have to check that one out! We appreciate it, Brandon!

[@matthewhenderson9983]

This might be a dumb question, but here goes: Why not just remove the bolt when you're doing a rifle demonstration indoors? Most bolts pop out with a quick click. You can set the bolt on a clean cloth on the table and everyone who knows anything about the function of a firearm can see as far away as that piece of orange plastic in the muzzle that the rifle's been rendered inoperable. Every time I see a demonstration like this, people have to stop mid-conversation and go over safety fundamentals like it's the first time. If the bolt's out, conversation is done. Right or wrong?

[@josephbennett5453]

What model is Mark’s Butler Creek sling?

[@VortexNation]

www.butlercreek.com/slings/comfort-stretch-firearm-sling-with-swivel/P00193.html

[@toddboone333]

Manufacturers should get rid of sling swivels entirely and replace them with QD flush cups. I do it to all of my guns. It’s a cheap effective upgrade that will make carrying your rifle easier and more sure.

[@AlexanderFarley]

Seems to me that this video skips the question of whether a sling is an accessory or necessity

[@seantanner4485]

OK... MARK...Super SIMPLE no brainer obvious but not OBVIOUS solution to the rifle sitting so far forward... adjust your rifle butt keeper length. flip the rifle over so that the scope isn't keeping the rifle from sitting more verticle. So scope down and the foregrio is up in your arm pit... SMALL changes make big differences... I have carried hundreds of miles like this. i also installed a quick clip and paracord for around the barrel.

[@trihall2273]

Slick sling Fastest way to drop a expensive rifle and knock off a expensive optic😂

[@theoriginalDAL357]

About keeping a rifle in a pack, or slung for that matter, and not having it potentially pointing at yourself or others and having an unintentional discharge: why would you keep a round in the chamber when it's not in your hands?

[@TonyYarusso]

It depends on how and where you hunt. Cycling the bolt to load a round is LOUD, so if you’re close enough for the animal to hear that, that’s a problem. If you expect to be 200 yards away, yeah, carrying empty would make a ton of sense, but at 40 yards not so much.

[@lauraburandt2655]

I am just getting into multi-day hunting and am looking at the Slik Sling. I am also trying to get the most use I can out of the Osprey backpack that I already own. Once it's worn out, I plan to make the investment in a hunting pack. In the meantime, I am curious if anyone has experience in making this sling work on a non-hunting specific pack, such as an Osprey? (Or for that matter, are there any quick-release rifle pack slings compatible with an Osprey pack that anyone is aware of?)

[@RMM--uv7uk]

The slick will work on any pack that has A decent Hip Belt. With some stiffness to it. So it won't sag when the Rifle is in the upright position. Then you also have to vertical nylon strap or Molly webbing coming down your shoulder strap. So the retaining clip has a home. I was able to make 2 of them work on pretty basic Cabelas Day packs. And another work flawlessly on an Exo K3 Frame pack. It all depends on shoulder straps and your Hip belt.

[@patrickclvn]

Did he say,”I hunt off of my bicycle a lot?”

[@deadcrazyboy09]

Can you do a video on hunting apps like Onx, huntstand etc? Are they here to stay or just a fad? Are they reliable?

[@VortexNation]

Great suggestion, Dalton! We'll add it to the idea board for topics. We appreciate it!

[@charlesadams7862]

1 1/4 nylon strap on uncle Mike qd sling swivels works alright for me

[@JimmyJusa]

Since Mark said he uses a bicycle often can he show his setup for bicycle hunting?

[@VortexNation]

We'll see what we can do ;)

[@roshtainsky]

What about bow slings?

[@lenzadlberger]

Niggeloh Automatic all the way for me, i dont like the Backpack Things for me and yes with Push Halder they are easy to put it on every Rifle

[@chrisgodfrey2846]

Would you guys be willing to do a talk about hunting with milsurp rifles and their iron sights? I have a 1895 Chilean 7MM Mauser made in Berlin 1944, have been thinking about taking that out for deer

[@VortexNation]

Thanks for the suggestion, Chris! We'll add it to the idea board.

[@eggbert191]

Very popular where I'm at. Lots use mosin nagant for moose on down to deer. Even muskox

[@chrisgodfrey2846]

@@eggbert191 I live in eastern Washington so most hunting is done with scopes, but if I go into the cascades it’s much more logical with irons than in open fields and rolling hills going 1000+ meters lol

[@eggbert191]

@@chrisgodfrey2846 I'm sure your mauser will do just fine. The old girls are pretty special. How is ammo selection for hunting round for 7mm mauser?

[@chrisgodfrey2846]

@@eggbert191 yeah she sure is a beauty 😍😍 and there isn’t a whole lot especially looking in local shops, plus price per round has shot up 50% I get S&B 173 grain soft point at the moment mainly but have also bought some PRVI Partizan 139 grain soft point

[@Twofingers00]

Please do an in depth talk on shooting off hand…

[@VortexNation]

Noted!

[@menigfiskebolle]

I like a thumbhole rifle sling, works fore me.

[@chevyon37s]

Yup. I pretty much detest using a sling unless absolutely necessary. And my pick for slings is the Outdoor connection thumb hole slings.

[@ryanmckenzie583]

Can we get an episode about custom barrels for you rifles I want to buy a 280 ackley 24 inch with 1:8 twist but cant find no rifles in stock at the time there was coming browning x bolt in stock but they all got bought up before I pulled the trigger on them so can we get an episode on custom barrels or a episode on building your own custom rifle

[@tristenweems5734]

This was painful to watch.

[@mattyallen3396]

Necessary kit

[@chevyon37s]

I have to laugh at how many people punish themselves with those Quake “claw” slings. They’re horrible. Not comfortable at all. The rubber part is too wide to actually sit high enough on your shoulder without falling off.

[@eggbert191]

Works perfect for me

[@D_Boone]

If the flag keeps falling out, just remove the bolt while demonstrating like this.

[@davidamaro2084]

They know what there’s doing I trust them

[@williamczupryn2642]

Can someone please explain to me why on earth would you use a sling? It’s terribly uncomfortable and even painful the longer you hike. When I’m hunting I carry my rifle in the case. Much easier, no damage to the rifle, nothing banging against your body. Takes an extra six seconds to take it out. We’re not hunting men, seconds don’t matter. Help me understand.

[@VortexNation]

It can keep you hand free and it has a number of other benefits including helping to get steady when shooting from different positions.

[@jfox71]

I assume you aren't in the mountains or badlands hunting.

[@williamczupryn2642]

@@jfox71 good point, no predators where I’m at.

[@jfox71]

@@williamczupryn2642 not only that that but in those areas you have to walk a long way and have to be ready to shoot

[@johnsanders7337]

What's the big deal about being unloaded? Yes I keep mine unloaded. Why do viewers care.. ya ll know gum safety. Aggravates me when you have to confim for certain viewers, that your doing your job...

[@John_Redcorn_]

10 miles? Where the hell are you guys hunting? No thanks

[@chevyon37s]

Back country hunting often requires a lot of hiking...

[@mfallen6894]

I always knew you were lazy John Redcorn. Dale would hike 10miles for an elk... lol

[@jfox71]

@@mfallen6894 john redcorn would only walk 10 miles for one thing and it isn't an elk.

[@OnTheScout]

17 minutes and you three managed to not cover any shooting slings just cobra carry straps. The rifleman is dead long live the gun consumer.