VTuber 101 with SummersSalt! - The Geekenders Ep 28

[@thatgamingfreak]

I love how every few months we are getting an episode where the guest just explains a portion of the internet that Jesse doesnt understand.

[@TheJacobG]

Old Man Jesse Learns About [insert subculture here]

[@arboris]

😂

[@CrazyCasper1888]

To be fair, it also teachs some us as well

[@CrazyCasper1888]

Professor Cox at it again

[@mega17]

There be geeks of all kinds!

[@Blitzkrieger17]

Omfg ... Lewis literally just called Simon, "dollar store Jesse Cox" in a video the other day 🤣

[@omfgblondie]

I will never forget the story of Jesse attending some party when Yogs were in their peak minecraft days, and people were trying to rub shoulders with Jesse because they thought he was Simon. And they stopped once they found out the truth. EDIT: Oh they tell this story lol

[@DeutscherDummer]

yo, do you remember which video?

[@Tajih]

Not Jesse coming up with the perfect V-Tuber lore on the spot

[@Doomroar]

Jesse being a cute puppy is too much power for you to have, you could probably get away with too much with such an avatar

[@Rudepetsclub]

Jesse as a puppy dog is the cutest thing ever lol

[@SicSemperCogitarius]

If Jesse ever does decide to go full V-Tuber, Summer and Julian should collab on bringing Toon Jesse to life.

[@potatohildy]

I am a firm believer that Lil JC should be Jesse’s Vtuber avatar for ff14

[@Donovarkhallum]

Touch grass

[@Holy_Grapefruit]

Xmen: i'm Storm, I'm Wolverine Jesse's Dad: "I'm Out."

[@sirdan1987]

This was a fun little episode to listen to. Was fun seeing the folks getting in the spirit of Vtubing and Jesse learning what being one is all about. Also was fun seeing Summer being part of this episode.

[@moonlily3464]

Absolutely taken by how well that lil dough pupper suits Jesse. The mellow expression, the wiggly ears, the endearing roundness. Simply immaculate.

[@souledgar]

I've never really noticed it on her own streams, but Dodger's vtuber model has an *excellent* mouth rig.

[@Jus10Ed]

Summer too.

[@kneau]

6:43 through 7:49 ( "Apple products" )

[@A_Casual_NPC]

You two are some of the most lovelyt people on the internet and together you have been bringing joy to my life for over a decade. genuinely love you two for that!

[@A_Casual_NPC]

also, that jesse vtuber model is perfect

[@kory_misun]

If the Scary Game Squad ever became little VTuber gremlins, just for one episode, I would be so happy.

[@thelaughingrouge]

They kinda did at one point. Don't remember the specific episode.

[@jimjam7928]

Alex Faciane shall finally become one with Toomgis.

[@kory_misun]

I wasn't expecting replies so soon, or at all! Thanks for being sweet, guys.

[@madhippy3]

Who shows up as the rubber duck?

[@Turanar42]

@@thelaughingrouge they did that in the scary video squad

[@esaedvik]

The reason Face ID works best for tracking, is that it's the only one using infrared dots lasered towards your face, an infrared light to light it up and an infrared camera to shoot that all and create a 3D map of it. Kind of over-engineered, but it's crazy how many industries are now using it for completely different uses that it was designed for. Also very Hollywood in this use case as performance capture can use either dots that are blasted with IR light or dots that emit IR light to cameras that capture the movement. The latter was used on some of the Planet of the Apes movies for outside environments, since they work in sunlight, which the first and older mocap tech doesn't work in. It's made for studios.

[@Juniorlich]

Parents and grandparents not understanding, but being supportive and excited is like happy baby vibes.

[@aaronamaphone5865]

Weird how Jesse didn't get a vtuber model. He just looks like he always does.

[@darkmyro]

Honestly I feel like if Jesse got a vtuber model it would look like his cox and crendor animations

[@megamage911]

So, to elaborate about Kizuna AI: she was never *replaced* as such, there was a lot of misinformation surrounding that. Basically, they brought in more people who each got their own version of Kizuna AI, so there was a gamer version who specifically focused on doing let's plays fx. As far as I know, 2 of them have since gotten their own new identities and are streaming basically as indies now I think. BUT! There was at least 1 instance of a company trying to outright replace their talents: Game-bu (meaning "Game Club") which back in the day was basically competing directly with Nijisanji and Hololive, but people noticed that suddenly they sounded and acted different, and it was discovered they had fired the previous people behind the models and hired new ones, and there was a massive shitstorm and the company went bankrupt. So nobody is probably going to attempt that again lol. Oh and also, the quickly bring it back to Kizuna Ai again: there's a lot of debate about who might be the *true* first Vtuber, but Kizuna Ai was the one to coin the term, so technically she's the first, by being the first to use that term.

[@TheKumaKhan]

Anecdote about anonymity causing sass to skyrocket: I was once a college mascot for two days with the whole hot-ass suit and everything and y'all I've never been and never will be as extroverted as I was in that suit. There's something about dissociating and becoming the character that changes you.

[@flamedance58]

I kinda feel even voice chatting online has a lesser effect of that imo. I'm very expressive when chatting with ppl online and it's helped me become more social irl.

[@wandering.westward]

I love how much Jesse enjoyed this!

[@AgaricRook]

Still funny to me that Jesse actually was (if a bit indirectly) my introduction to Vtubers. Years ago he did a big colab with Felicia and a ton of other streamers and among them was Silvervale. Never even heard of Vtubing before that.

[@gremlin4304]

the vibes on this podcast are always so good

[@spamhonx56]

So, i found this show existed through clips on Josh Strife Says, and immediately began binging the entire series over the course of several weeks. I guess it's possible that happened to other people too causing the sudden spike in viewership? I can't be the only one who watches Josh who turned up here for some nostalgic co-optional goodness.

[@professorrubickmagusgrandi7909]

I'm both a big Josh fan and remember watching old Co-optional with TotalBiscuit. I found this show a few months ago, just checking up on some old KZbinrs I like and saw it. It was a little weird seeing him pop up on here.

[@Megabooy1]

Interresting episode for sure! Nice to get some insight on what this new world that is rising is all about. I personally prefer a traditional webcam on a stream for me it just feels more like there is a interest in the viewer since you are allowed to experience the streamers genuine reaction to stuff that is happening. I might also just be getting old. But as always I'm looking forward to the next episode this is always a good listen!

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

I thought for a second Summoning Salt became a VTuber before I read it again.

[@ElyonDominus]

Dude. I stared at the screen but I couldn't process it.

[@TheJaegersHunt]

ITS THE WEEKEND

[@quaglegagle674]

Yeah it's time to geek out

[@Detton30]

Let it begin!

[@coconosuga5351]

​@@Detton30 Go on, scream and shout

[@treyblack3751]

@@coconosuga5351 It's Jesse and Dodger...

[@Hype_Incarnate]

​@@treyblack3751so give em a follow

[@MikeIsNexciting]

I exclusively listened to the co-optional podcast, audio only. Often missed out on visual goofs, so I'm happy to have started the Geekenders buy watching the VODs.

[@spencerpascoe3896]

Ayo is it fucked that I effin LOVE Jesse's Vtuber model?

[@jessecox]

it's literally the free model in the vtuber program. YOU could be the dough pup if you want!

[@Draconic74]

I was audio only for the first part but the moment they said Jesse was using a model I knew it could only be the ramen dog

[@SirWarkwark]

It's so chill to have you on saturday morning with breakfast and coffee! Thank you!

[@nemisesdragon]

After watching this... I wanna see the fangirling that would ensue if they got Matara Kan on the show, knowing how big of a fan of Dodger she is. Also Jesse would 100% love Matara's vibes as well.

[@dominicshayler5323]

I love the discussion and how enabling avatars are for some folks. I really wish I could engage with them personally; watching an avatar over a real face feels very disconnecting and bland :/

[@M4nusky]

So much fun! thanks for all the info on V-tuber my own old person really appreciated the talk and the goofs!

[@Convalla]

I don't know why but i just can't with the vtubers. Idk if it is uncanny valley for me or what it is XD

[@MaisieSqueak]

Jesse you could TOTALLY do this for Little JC! Old iPhone, one time cost for the model and you gotta have a steam deck or something connections that'll help you out with that... No? LIL JC VTUBE LETS GOOOOOO

[@bigcountryluke571]

Jesse’s dog looks like he is enjoying some time in front of a fan with those flappy ears!

[@arboris]

loved this episode, thanks for the upload

[@lcgualter]

Love you, the opening song already turned into my weekend anthem. Happiness triggered! Thank you!

[@NickCombs]

My intuition is that most people's initial roadblock for understanding vtubing is the relationship between being face to face and being genuine. So when they see an animated avatar, it feels like the person has something to hide within that paradigm. Maybe that's true in some cases, but so far it seems to be more about being able to express ourselves more clearly when our meat suits are more of a distraction/liability.

[@Daxter134]

When are they going to bring Ironmouse on the show?

[@abby5934]

Probably on a weekend

[@UTRGregBush]

@@abby5934 or a geekend

[@MrBandorr]

So many good options. Henya or Filian would be great.

[@Leonsbane]

Mata has also said she's a big fan of dodger.

[@Akabara86]

We know that Mata wants to do some collabs with Dodger after she returns from her trip, so its not impossible we can only wait and see what the future holds.

[@blubcremeluver6276]

This episode, I learned that I have alot in common with Jesse's Dad. To say it in his words: "nope, I'm out".

[@theknight660]

The chair moving when he moves is the bowl rolling the chair all over the floor

[@acolyte1951]

1:12:45 Jesse's lore is kinda similar to Inugami Korone's original lore. She's a dog that sells bread with her grandma or something.

[@TheViolentLolita]

That's funny, i didn't even know Korone had any kind of lore aside from the whole 'Yubi' thing, which i just assumed came from a chat interaction

[@acolyte1951]

@@TheViolentLolita yeah, tons of new 'lore' gets added over time. But I believe the baking dog thing was mostly when she just first appeared.

[@johnoneil9188]

I have not watched Geekenders in a while but this has been a really fun little episode. Gotta try and catch up.

[@tinybee7780]

33:43 Wow, didn't know how lucrative this Vtuber business is, especially now that it's becoming more popular in the west. Even the ownership of the character has so much red tape depending on whether it's a corporation or an agency. I can definitely see the similarities between this and the idol industry in Japan, now THAT I've heard a lot of stories both good and bad. They for sure take that industry their very seriously.

[@NickCombs]

I've heard about vtubers a bunch, but I didn't really get how it helps people transcend their body image and feel safer. That's really cool.

[@Mindofthequill]

Listening to Jesse talk about youtube algorithm and numbers so much on Cox N Crendor I feel like he should take some time to look into Hololive culture. It's pretty insane with the numbers some of their members consistently pull. I think one of the most recent big CCV events was Pekora playing Kakarot. People love their DBZ and just like how Jesse loves watching people react to FF14 we love watching someone react to DBZ for the first time. I regularly even buy tickets to their concerts to watch on my computer. I invite my friend over who also likes Hololive and we make it a party. Also recommend checking out Holostars, the boys of the group under the Cover corporate umbrella. They tend to get fewer numbers but nonetheless they have pretty damn consistent CCV counts. Also just as good of singers as the Hololive girls. If Jesse ever wanted to learn more about idol culture there's probably no better place to start at least from a vtubing standpoint with the amount of concerts they regularly hold. It's also really cool to watch the growth of the talents' when it comes to their singing and dancing. It's not like all of them are amazing straight from the get go but that's why it's so charming to watch them learn more and get better at singing.

[@hyydyke]

Suddenly I need one of them cozy CIV streams with Jesse but as doughdog. I want to see that happy pup nuke some cities.

[@toshizue8627]

vtuber or not, y'all great entertaining folks in my book

[@amythistxue1]

There are a couple people with Vshojo who used to be different characters for other agencies, it's one of the reasons that people jokingly refer to Vshojo as the vtuber retirement home

[@TheSeriousSquirrelGaming]

Trouble I've seen with a lot of Vtubers is, that they spend a fortune on everything without every going live and when they finally do, they're a wet blanket. Start cheap, test the waters, see if people find you interesting, THEN spend the money. Just my two cents. (Summer just said it, I was early XD)

[@AngelavengerL]

Definitely, because personality is still what sells streaming the most. Fillian is very very popular 3d vtuber and her model is the free one. It's her crazy personality and hijinks that built her fandom.

[@TheSeriousSquirrelGaming]

@@AngelavengerL Yeah exactly, and you can build on that success afterwards. People will be supportive with most of the changes you might want to do in the future.

[@tomma8105]

Jessie should just be animated Jessie from his Cox and Crendor animated

[@Zanmu]

I feel like Geega would be a perfect guest here

[@Aliulo]

I feel that one guy just straight up dying from a subathon really put the breaks on enthusiasm for the format as it was.

[@Rarelybroken]

I really REALLY like that little doughboy doggy! These models are Hella cute!!

[@WarmasterIrraz]

Now I want Jesse vtubing as Fujimora Pantsu! 😂

[@hiddenhope7198]

I don't think I've ever laughed so much at a Geekenders episode, this was great

[@EnigmaJayB]

So, Jesse is the joke ending in the next Silent Hill?

[@nolanwolf1828]

I can already see the plot twist with season two where the dough dog starts developing mold

[@1KamaronConClase]

Amazing show as always, extra cool for all the Vtuber inside, and Jesse as a dough puppy in a bowl feels right, somehow xD

[@1KamaronConClase]

The intro slaps EVERYTIME

[@AngelavengerL]

Saw SummersSalt and was like eeeh we get vtuber guest!!! I did not expect the absolute joy of seeing Jesse take on a pudgy pup vtuber model. I love you guys! We go one step closer to my dream of PorcelainMaid being on Geekenders and Geekenders being on Porcelain Parlor

[@flamedance58]

In regards to a concerts with no one up there? Gorillaz has done it with screen, projectors, etc IIRC.

[@piggysama]

I missed the why of Dodger's transformation into mushroom. So, I appreciated being able to hear the reasoning behind all this! Very interesting episode!

[@civildisorder]

Since I've been deep in watching vtuber for a few years now my takeaways from this episode are 1) Dodger's vtuber model is cute and awesome as hell 2) Jesse's on-the-spot vtuber lore was A+

[@AngelavengerL]

So true! I love that he was like "lore is awesome, you should all have lore" as it's one of the things i really enjoy with vtubers.

[@__Albin__]

I too have the same dad as Dodger and Jesse. The more something strays away from "reality" the harder a sell it is. Even historical can occasionally be a struggle if it's too unfamiliar to him. Fantasy, sci-fi, animated, etc. are real hurdles. He simply doesn't get particularly invested in fiction, and the more "unreal" it is the more acutely he is aware of that it's fiction. That he somehow got really into Game of Thrones was a miraculous anomaly, he even talked to me about theories about what might happen next episode.

[@iESCAP1SM]

Ah. The bread breed.

[@ZeroEnfield]

Y'know Jesse, there's vtuber out there that have a breaddog as their fanbase persona.

[@AfroJeffrey]

This just tells me Dodger's MushKat is just a Human Variant of Parasect.

[@HammyHime]

Okay, the white puppy for Jesse? Absolutely perfect! Hope to see more of little white Jesse-Puppy

[@kunafox]

from MMO talk to VTuber talks, YES more!! Countdown to the weekend until Dawntrail launch!

[@olsaaan]

We need this for one more episode so that Jesse can use an iPhone too

[@Theorak]

Some question I always had are: How much tracking or accuracy makes for good/better vtubing? The design has to be nailed down and appealing of course, and the creators have different access to different levels of quality of tracking tools. But are there communities that want a slightly yank model? Is sometimes glitching part of the fun? Or would in the future a perfectly tracked model be successful?

[@raistlinmajere5550]

I really want Matakara on the show now

[@serverlatency]

Jessie's first vtuber should definitely be Matara. She gives off so much JESSE vibes. Hot roach woman from space with huge badonkas that eats her ex-husbands and possibly fans.

[@SerrisMerosi]

jesse doesn't need a vtuber avatar of a hot redhead, he already is

[@Goudg]

I feel like if Jesse does go the Vtube route we're going to see a very cheeky octopus.

[@AngelavengerL]

or butterfly theme perhaps

[@wakkosan]

Yo, it's the weekend....Oh. And i recently started watching Goblins of Io and that is one hectic and AWESOME D&D series.

[@Siniroth]

18:30 imagining someone irl just like, horizontal flipping their facecam and bringing on a *completely* different persona

[@TruePerception]

Wait, is this a repeat? I swear I've seen this clip of the mushroom before. With Jesse talking to the mushroom specifically.

[@swedishZ0mBi3]

Yeah yeah you know what time it is, It's time for the...Vtubers podcast?!

[@songsong9558]

Great episode! Educational and entertaining! More goofs! More Vtubers!

[@Mak67]

It's kinda late and i probably wont finish tonight, but Yay!

[@kredonystus7768]

Jesse Cox is bready for anything.

[@MegaBlindy]

I find it funny that Jessie, Dodger and TB were the first vtubers with the cooptional animations

[@RisqueBisquetz]

I mean there was that Cryaotic guy... Good riddance tho.

[@eynonpower]

Scream and shout!!!!

[@Vicioussama]

Cowboy Bebop is easily the anime to show anyone who thinks anime is for kids and then realize how good it is. At least imo has worked with all Americans I've suggested checking it out.

[@yaroslavkurgansky6205]

51:53 Logan is a black-and-white western, there's a black-and-white version of the movie

[@Aether_Paradox]

I remember the potato melting.

[@josav09]

Finally! A homework that I've already done

[@Barbyng]

Yo it's the weekend!!!! This ep was very informative, ily summer

[@The_Sir_Goose]

This was a ton of fun.

[@SoShiBias]

I was kinda surprised to see Dodger's model last week. She just like the lil Kodama from Nioh! Having a model is such bless.

[@YueShenDian]

Don't be deceived everyone Jesse is not a puppy, he's a bowl.

[@emeraldpancakes8249]

Podcasts like this make me miss Totalbiscuit the most. He'd be fuming at all this nonsense and be a joy to witness.

[@thomaswilliams8452]

Either that or he'd already have a little TB model with his top hat and all :)

[@Juniorlich]

I'm very annoyed at people that try to put apply a conservative lean to TB when he was against Bull Shit, not self expression.

[@aawlex2323]

Jesse has 2 different official cartoon versions of himself. Could just use one of those!

[@AgaricRook]

I'm probably going to regret asking this but I've been actually curious for a long time: As someone who admittedly watches a lot of Vtubers... just what makes Ironmouse so popular? Nothing against her to be clear, I gave her a shot and just didn't feel like I was getting enough out of her content, but she's still often one of the first names to come up when Vtubers are brought up and I always wondered what set her apart from the rest.

[@captainpandaman5097]

Depends on when you catch her really. She's a variety streamer that regularly streams for 10+ hours and moves through different things in those hours usually. Sometimes you catch her singing which is always nice, sometimes she's not feeling well because of her health and meds so she's just doing react content. She'll play games, or just chat with friends or just rant about a topic to chat and those range from just chill to some wild things being said which is fun. Not everyone is for everyone though of course so if its not your vibe that's cool.

[@dopaminecloud]

Unsure if it's related but I think depending on who you watch your expectations lie elsewhere. Some streamers are what I'd call the "high effort" variety where, though lesser in quantity, put thought into making sure it's always content rich, usually helped by planning. And then the, probably more popular format due to parasocial and/or celebrity culture type stuff, where it's a lot more whatever whenever but people just wanna watch the person waffle about aimlessly for hours at a time. I've seen it called "second monitor content" too lol. What I'm more curious personally is why people differentiate between regular streamers and vtubers like theres anything different going on with the latter.

[@swedishZ0mBi3]

Weebs is the answer, always weebs.

[@Wylf]

Mouse is one of the first western vtubers and therefore had a lot of time to build a fanbase. She started streaming in 2017, well before vtubers were a thing in the west, so when they became a thing she was already there and somewhat established. She's one of the bigger names in western vtubing, because she's been there from the beginning and did quite a lot to help establish it as a form of media. Apart from that though, people watch her for the same reason they watch any streamer, I'd wager - they vibe with her personality and find her entertaining. That's why I personally watch her, at least. Plus she's a great singer.

[@DMorfin11]

It's time to geek out!

[@NavidSensei]

YO IT'S THE WEEKEND. also, good doggo Jesse?!

[@ZereTheTank]

Hell yeah, time for some Geekenders!

[@acolyte1951]

The future is now!

[@GaryLeeTM]

Huge fan of Dough-ge. Deceptively cute but actually planning to take over the universe as a dictator.

[@EATInc]

Didn't comment it before because I was on a 3 hour drive while listening to this but are we saying that Pup Cup came from...a sour-doge starter? And when can we expect to see a fully animated version of Pup Cup's origin store? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@GypsumGeneration]

After the vtuber conversation I googled what summer looks like and they're actually really pretty when will us ugly people get a win?