VW e-Up 500 km challenge

[@stefan2796]

VW e-Up: a little EV gem. I've driven it several times and really enjoyed it.

[@74p]

We have a Skoda from 2020, based on the same tech but second gen, with the 36kWh (gross) battery size. We have driven 48000 km in it, over almost 4 years now, including road trips up to 1200 km, two adults and two kids (!). We don't do longer trips than 600 km in this car any more, though. Yes it is a great car, especially in the city and the mountains.

[@maximus825]

I drive exactly the same car (2014) on a daily basis. It is possible to preheat or precool the cabin by timer while being connected to AC charger. You can schedule the departure time on Garmin device and set desired cabin temperature there as well. The climate kicks in 30 minutes before scheduled departure time. You can also set the minimal level of battery charge before climate is allowed to start, so that the battery is charged first. According to the car owner’s manual, it is not possible to AC charge and have the cabin conditioned by timer at the same time. You can also schedule cabin conditioning while on battery power, but it would start only 15 minutes before scheduled departure time.

[@superduperSS]

In august I did 1450km (north to south, Norway) in 2 days with the same carmodel. Avg 12,2 kWh/100 km, 21 charging stops, great trip😀

[@Aikaramba12]

How did you plan the chargers? I have experienced many times that some chargers won’t charge it. Any Brands to avoid?

[@superduperSS]

I have experienced that same problems as you, but on this trip I had no problems whatsoever! On this trip I used many 50kw chargers (mostly Mer), Tesla v3, Ionity and Kempower. They all worked fine. Later on I have experienced problems with the circle k 350kw chargers, IONITY and Tesla v2 - all at Rygge in cold conditions. I also have had problems at the semi mobile “container charger” in Ski. I suspect there is more problems in cold weather than in summer, but I am not sure

[@irinelneagoe]

one stop with a diesel car...quite similar :))))))

[@katchaontheflipside]

@@superduperSS Which card do you use for payment? I have a Norwar roadtrip coming up and don't want 300 different cards^^

[@superduperSS]

@@katchaontheflipside I used a RFID tag with all the most common charging providers registered. In addition I used the Tesla app

[@vidarsulland5328]

One e-Up owner had driven his 225 000 km, and had little or no driving distance loss since new. Not bad, so must be a good battery chemistry VW has put into it.

[@trashmail8]

We own a Seat MII Electric Plus (Edit: 32 kWh IIRC). It is awesome for the daily commute. Heated seats, just the right balance between analog/physical buttons and digital/"EV-ness". No built-in navigation, but the phone holder is perfect. Phone is always up to date and already has a data connection. Perfect for parking in cities and the 3 seconds to 50 km/n is awesome to catch free slots in roundabouts. ;)

[@74p]

Repeat the test in the summer. See if you can pick a time where it is 25-30 C. I have the next gen of this car, with 36/32 kWh battery, and in the version of a Skoda. I have done 1200 km in that in 2020, and it took over 24 hours. The "Rapidgating", as you call it when the battery temperature makes the charging speed lower, made it go down to 8 kW on CCS at some stage. But that was 2/3 into the trip, and it was 35 C outside AND mountains to climb (Southern Germany at that stage)

[@marccanas6502]

I admire the respect in your country you have for the others. Speaking in low voice and trying not to make noise. In Spain people is completely selfish.....sheeeeet

[@benjaminhanke79]

That was fun to watch! With this car you always want to go below 25% for CCS charging.

[@74p]

Consider to make a test of the second generation of this car. In the summer. You can borrow my car, if you like, just don't chip the windscreen please :) Doesn't matter if it is VW, Skoda or Seat, but the one with 36kWh battery. The second gen of this car also does not have any cooling system for the battery. Adjusting the charging speed is the only battery management control it has.

[@Chris.com1]

4:00 You can literally watch the SoC needle dropping within several seconds. That is scary :D

[@jorgefurtado9037]

Blue smurf , good name!

[@Aikaramba12]

Watching this while i’m fastcharging my 2015 e-up lol. I have considered to install a webasto heater to not waste energy heating the cabin

[@matthewaride2234]

I already did on my 2012 leaf. I just had too. I have 19%degradation and 17 kwh left, I can't sacrifice any of that to heating ..😅

[@matthewaride2234]

@@batterynerd8779 it is if you don't feel guilty burning fossil in an EV. I can't afford a bigger battery car and I can't just sell or scrap my leaf so I made peace with myself. It's just for the winter months .... that's my slogan

[@Aikaramba12]

@@matthewaride2234 it burns so little fossil fuel. And much more environmentally friendly than buying a new car 😁

[@Aikaramba12]

@@matthewaride2234 how much better range did you get?

[@verygoodbrother]

@@Aikaramba12 You can also look to buying HVO to boost environmentally friendly credentials.

[@folkoyt]

Bjòrn, fast and furious! 😂

[@haaibaai]

Now do a 35 kWh E-Golf of E-up. They will beat all record by far.

[@justinholding02]

Charging is much slower

[@haaibaai]

@@justinholding02 For the 35 kWh versions?

[@justinholding02]

​@@haaibaaiyes

[@johso87]

@@justinholding02 I see, that makes sense. Thanks for the clue, I was confused about differing reports :)

[@joostwestra]

Maybe a good idea for a video as well: Check with the ODB monitor what is best way to drive a plugin hybrid with heat managent. Should you first run the petrole engine to generate heat and scavenge this later or can you not scavenge that heat at all. If you want you can borrow my Passat GTE (in Netherlands)

[@mikoske]

Nice, got a chat cameo for this vid! :D

[@cheribibi112]

Hi ! Is it real there is a bjorn profil in carscanner ? Couldn t find it. I use it for my classic ioniq. 10 years EV but old gen EV i think in 10 years it will be another story. Just for the Sun 🤣

[@inferno193]

E-Up is not so bad for city. Little bit too small. @VW: I want E-Polo.

[@P4LL3R]

The "E-Polo" is coming by the end of next year with the ID.2 ;)

[@JoshuaStringfellow1]

ID.2 hopefully coming 2025/2026

[@maxmustermann4400]

id2 is more like an golf when it comes to size. id1 should be it, but no one is even talking about that atm 😞 Maybe we will never see an id1 because vw go broke before that...

[@crestas9]

@@P4LL3Rnah it will be revealed in late 2026

[@71kimg]

No - with that small range - you need you own parking spot with a plug. If you don’t - you need a bigger battery so you don’t need to charge it every day.

[@drzej3k794]

Next need to do a Smart ForTwo EQ 500km challenge. The model with the 22kw charger :D

[@K1989L]

Make it a 1000km drive and it might have a change against e-up?

[@SamuraiTacos1]

can't wait for kempower in the usa

[@K1989L]

Me neither. Finnish company 🇫🇮💪🏻

[@sergeikulichkov7748]

But it wasn’t cheap 10 years ago. It was 27k for base version in Germany in 2014, insane money. Normal Up was 14k

[@yhfsywfit]

@bjornnyland - Hi Bjorn, a mundane question...I've often wondered about how you manage all the data you report on. Do you take notes with pen and paper or do you record everything digitally? Your facility at managing all that data is impressive.

[@bjornnyland]

I use my phone and record videos.

[@HaLo-t1c]

How does the older model load faster than the newer version? 45kw at some point. O.O

[@tryingtosucceed]

Try taking a storage heater with you, can store 30kwh, just a little heavy of course

[@theairstig9164]

Use a mains powered oil column heater strapped in to an unused seat. It’s heavy but it works for ages after it’s unplugged. Certainly long enough to have an ICE car up to speed and temperature

[@Kedut]

would love to see the e gold or e up with bigger battery

[@verygoodbrother]

How long does the portable electric heater take to heat up the cabin? I'm looking for something similar but mainly to defrost the windscreen

[@capitaincrunchaga]

Hello, wait to see 500km challenge with a Leaf 30 and Leaf 40. See you soon. Cordialy

[@HansiDampf]

I think the e-Up wants to see the northcape. When I played the video backwards in a certain speed the audio played "take me Northcape" with a whispering and desperate voice. I think you should grant the car this last wish 🥺

[@justinholding02]

I have an E-Up! 2.0 with the bigger battery. I never get these charging speeds. It's quite a lot slower.

[@justinholding02]

@rh7407 you shouldn't get anything over 40 KW on the Citigo, it's the maximum stated charging power, but the charging curve quickly drops. The battery modules are from LG on the 2.0 I'm not sure if that's the reason or not, or maybe VW is simply trying to protect the battery life by limiting the DC power.

[@justinholding02]

@rh7407 I work for VW mate. Look up the technical specifications. It's 40kw CCS and 7Kw AC.

[@steve-zschannel2729]

Bjorn, can you send me a link so I can download the app you use in the E-Up? videos to monitor the battery ?

[@SimonClaringbold]

plugged it into the wrong hole - wasn't that a 'bishop said to the actress' joke? :) Like a ninja!

[@yingmustang67]

For me and my old EV, the Hyundai Ioniq 28 KWh is still the KING with a small battery!

[@JoshuaStringfellow1]

Are there any 500km/1000km challenge tests with a decade old Tesla Model S? Would be interesting to see the fastest 2014 EV over 500km or 1000km in 2024, and then next year it could be fasted 2015 EV in 2025.

[@bjornnyland]

They don't qualify.

[@JoshuaStringfellow1]

@@bjornnyland don’t qualify how?

[@verygoodbrother]

@@JoshuaStringfellow1 Because it is boring and most likely already covered in other videos, channels or forums.

[@JoshuaStringfellow1]

@@verygoodbrother ​ I don't see any Bjorn style 500km or 1000km challenge with decade old Tesla Model S videos on KZbin, I also don't see how that's less interesting than a 500km challenge with a decade old e-Up, it's the same concept.

[@verygoodbrother]

@@JoshuaStringfellow1 Teslas, even old models, are well covered on this channel and on others. Not that hard to get.

[@darius101101]

You need to get a windscreen company as your sponsor 😂

[@bjornnyland]

No need to. We have insurance.

[@gillscorner794]

​@bjornnyland you should get an insurance company as your sponsor

[@julianrichards1585]

What do you expect with such a small battery in cold conditions

[@Te0gop]

Do the 500 km challenge with Nissan Leaf 40kWh

[@luckyluke4119]

use the reverse charging of your samsung mobile, it's going to double the range :)

[@michaelheadley2041]

KemPOWER!! 😂

[@joostwestra]

About that ninja part of really turning of the HVAC to make the most of the heat: I do the same on my Passat GTE (preheating and driving on tiny battery). But it really fogs up the windows because the is no air cicculation at all. Would be nice to enable some mode where there is a bit a fresh air while making the most of the buffered heat,

[@erikziak1249]

Now do it with the 2nd generation of the e-up. It will be worse than the e-golf.

[@Ben-gm9lo]

Thanks Bjorn, compulsive viewing as usual. Is ABC your acronym for Always Bring Salad? If so, very dry, very funny.

[@ErikHenriksson_]

ABC is his acrynom for everything

[@swecreations]

Honestly hate the cold color temperature most manufacturers put into their LED lights, they can be just as good as old halogen lights, but are much worse in snow/fog and you have to turn them off much earlier as they are much more blinding to oncoming traffic.

[@tobiastessmer5125]

I find Mazda have chosen a warmer color temperature for the headlights, so it’s not as blueish as other led lights. Maybe this would be something for you. I definitely like it better.

[@w0ttheh3ll]

it's not just choice, there are technical limitations. White LEDs are actually blue LEDs with a phosphor coating to convert some of the blue light into other colors (mostly yellow). For lower CCTs ("warm light"), this coating is thicker to convert more of the blue. For LED headlights, very high intensity LEDs are needed (same lumens from a much smaller surface than most). These run the phosphor conversion coating at about its thermal limit (the coating is not 100% efficient, it generates heat). If you make the coating thicker (for warm light), it overheats. That's why most high intensity LEDs are only available in 6500K or 6000K. Although we're starting to see 5000K. Seeing the very rapid progress of LED tech in the last decades, maybe it won't be a problem in a couple of years.

[@swecreations]

@@w0ttheh3ll I'm probably the right person to talk about that stuff since I have quite a large interest in high-intensity LEDs and have quite a few in my collection. I have some enthusiast flashlights that have the output power of the headlights of this car that can easily fit in my pocket while outputting a warm 3000K color temperature. Would recommend looking up the "Cree XHP 70.3 HI" LED specifically, a 7x7mm-sized (7070) LED which can be had with color temperatures all the way down to 2700K, so incandescent-levels of color temperature, and officially rated at almost 2000 lumens at that color temperature, but can be easily pushed well past 3000 if needed. I can tell you as a *fact* these manufacturers could easily put warmer color temperature LEDs in their headlights if they wanted, and it would be incredibly easy to do. The kinds of limitations you are talking about were actually true about 10 years ago, we are well, well past that point now.

[@tobiastessmer5125]

@@w0ttheh3ll Yes, I knew that. Great info though! The choice is in the type of LED the manufacturer selected for the car. I drive a Mazda 3 with the matrix light system and in this model, the light is white with no blue tint. I suspect the light temperature to be around 5000K. The truth will of course be in the longevity of the LEDs. Maybe they built a good cooling or they are driving them below spec (which they almost certainly don't). Or the LEDs die on me within the next few years and cost me a lot of money. Either way I really love that car.

[@DavinaTheWeena]

Your heater looks like it's tired & yawning

[@tridruankham2657]

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[@andygeerlings8958]

Now with a 500e 2015😂 6.6kw fast charge ZzzZzz

[@maxim7094]

when does this guy sleep!??

[@bjornnyland]

When the office rats are at work.

[@arnemobil3392]

"Mad mothertruckers" 😂

[@paul_wiggin]

What makes me sick about EV - there is no standard for batteries. No modularity. nothing. Proprietary software for BMS that locks the battery from operating if it was switched with other exactly same car.. There are plenty of great capable cars with old-old batteries, but everything else is completely fine. So why should we buy a new one? To boost inflation? I wish there were standard for batteries so we get 20kWh modules that would be connected in parralel once put in the vehicle.

[@ontopoftheroof]

VW e-up!: 500 k challenge Lucid Air: ---

[@CanisoGaming]

Br seriously u need to go to the US to try a cybertruck & do all your usual tests, would be interesting 👀

[@bjornnyland]

Seriously, you need to understand my family situation better.

[@CanisoGaming]

@@bjornnyland I'm not aware of anything about that as I only watched a few tests and not all videos 😅. All I said is that a cybertruck test would be interesting to see since your tests are definitely way more informative than the usual stuff US creators are making with the cybertruck

[@vidarsulland5328]

One e-Up owner had driven his 225 000 km, and had little or no driving distance loss since new. Not bad, so must be a good battery chemistry VW has put into it.

[@Danne89]

@@CanisoGamingJust watch Out of Spec reviews test

[@74p]

@@vidarsulland5328 , was that a gen1 ot gen2 e-UP? They are 18 kWh Gen 1 and 36 kWh in gen2 version. I think it changed in 2019.

[@AgentSmith911]

If I was in a tight budget, I'd rather buy a €3000 petrol car rather than a cheap EV

[@JohnR31415]

And spend ten grand on fuel rather than a grand on electrons. More fool you.

[@muramarco01]

And spend 1500 / 2000 euros (or more) a year on fuel and maintenance?

[@AgentSmith911]

@@muramarco01 yup, totally worth it

[@difflocktwo]

@@AgentSmith911 Then you are not on a tight budget lol.

[@AgentSmith911]

@@difflocktwo it's better to be on a tight budget and drive a rust bucket petrol car, that actually gets people to where they need to be, and not stop to charge for an hour every 50 km and not be able to use the heater. It's also easier to repair and get parts for a petrol car than an EV if something goes wrong. It's also much better for our planet if we keep our old cars for as long as possible than it is to buy a new EV every three years.

[@renetand]

Driven the e up in winter. Terrible car. Slow charging. Inefficient and iOS only use is for very short rides.

[@davidellis279]

Let’s stop talking about kilometres,here in the UK it’s miles and that’s what people recognise,half the population wouldn’t know how to convert it to miles possibly leaving them stranded miles away from a charger. The recovery business is going to boom if enough people buy these milk floats to do any distance.

[@HaLo-t1c]

Why should we not talk about kilometres? It's what 91% of the world population uses.

[@GlossaME]

You're driving on the wrong side of the road, so shush 🤫

[@tridrean]

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