VW Id.3 First Edition Plus 58 kWh - Charging Test 2-100% at Ionity with 103 kW

[@petterandersson6267]

Whao, that's really good chargeing speed. I'm now so excited because i will finally get my delivery of my Max. Tomorrow is the big day!! I will like you spend the most of the weekend just driving. And enjoy....

[@marc3801]

That's sounds awesome! I wish you a great delivery of your new car and a really great time with it! I'm sure that this day will be incredible, enjoy it!

[@BUNKERPT]

It almost seems like you are doing a live football commentary ... I really enjoy it !! Nice work ... keep it up!

[@dutchsolanian5270]

I thought it was more exciting than a football commentary(;

[@Muppetkeeper]

So basically, real world 20% to 80% was about 31 minutes, good stuff.

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

I think people are going to have start thinking a bit more on this. People bashed VW for only offering 100kW when others offer 250 or more. Big peak values are worthless if it cannot be sustained for any meaningful time. We should be looking at the area under the curve or perhaps an average rate over 30minutes or something.

[@Muppetkeeper]

0tispunkm3y3r Indeed, I am an engineer by training, and “peak numbers” only interest me if I’m checking to see if some part or wire is going to melt or explode. In real usage, especially when an EV driver is new to their car, the charge time and kilometres added between 20% and 80% is critical. Few people will be brave enough to drive down to 2% charged, in the UK doubly so, as at least half of the 50kw chargers are broken at any one time, so realistically here you need to start looking for chargers at 20%, and then move on at around 80% before the charge curve is too slow.

[@muhammadirfanataulawal7630]

@@0tispunkm3y3r Sustaining moderately high charging speed for longer time is better both for BMS and battery. Probably VW learned from e-tron charging strategy that long sustainable high power is better than early short peak

[@foersom5928]

@@MuppetkeeperStarting at 20% is a bit high. Normally 10-80% is quoted, e.g. ev-database (dot) org uses this at field "Fastcharge Time".

[@Muppetkeeper]

Foersom Yes, I think that new EV drivers won’t go as low as 10%, especially in the UK where half the charging network is usually broken.

[@marc3801]

Beeindruckende Ladekurve, da macht das beobachten des Ladevorgangs richtig Spaß! Vielen Dank für die anschaulichen und informativen Berichte zum ID.3. Ich habe dich zur Auslieferung entdeckt und freue mich jedes mal, wenn ein neuer Test erscheint! Weiter so, die bisherigen Berichte waren alle genau das, wonach ich gesucht habe! Liebe Grüße

[@kaefermichaify]

I have an ID.3 1st and I can confirm these numbers as well. I drove from Wolfsburg Autostadt to Hamm Uentrop and had 40km of range left. It took 40min to get back to 80 ./. Certainly sufficient range and charging time.

[@markevans4832]

Getting 50kw still at 85% is very good so would be worth staying until then possibly.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

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[@MrKroolboy]

So 0 - 60 % is the best window for the 1000 km challenge. Wish you all the best for the trip and thank you for the video 👍⚡️

[@sn1316videos]

@BatteryLife - Pleeeeeeease don’t take to 0% :-)

[@christianhovestadt1894]

in this class, this is hands down the best charging curve you can have. Great for long trips, 77kwh will perform even better with 125 kw if it goes to 30%

[@BatteryLife]

Not the best. Model 3 SR+ is a bit better. But not by much. M3 charges more range into the battery though. But it is enough for me!

[@Gresteh]

Let's be serius, it's a good charging curve, but certainly not the best. The e-Tron has a better curve and so do many other cars, but this is a great curve for a car of this price range.

[@olaflanfermann7343]

@@BatteryLife We´ll see on Sunday (twice) ;-)

[@Muppetkeeper]

Hi all, Christian said “in this class”, I don’t think either the etron or the model 3 are in this class.

[@Gresteh]

Muppet Keeper certainly... but price wise, the ID.3 with most extras has a similar price to the model 3, so both cars are comparable... the e-tron is a stretch, as it is way bigger and way more expensive.

[@Mr1yla-v7x]

I love this car more and more....will buy one some day.

[@marcusevjourney566]

It is fantastic that the charging sessions are so consistent, the BMS is superb on the ID.3.

[@cyberslim7955]

Yes, I get the same experience when I compare my Taycan over my MS90D-junk!

[@muhammadirfanataulawal7630]

VW did the right strategy. Not going with peak early but rather maintaining high power for longer time. Less stressful for both BMS and battery while having good charging speed

[@RealKeyos]

Very interesting video, well done, that looks really fast from a leaf user point of view, one more reason to buy an ID.3 but i'll look for the 77Kwh version just to have a much more gap to our actual 40Kwh leaf, unfortunately the ID.3 with 77Kwh battery come only on full optionals (tour/max or something version) wich make it very expensive for people not interested in all that kind of optionals, would be nice if they can sella pro s with 77Kwh battery in italy as well!!!!

[@maximilianholland]

Thanks for the great video! Well balanced charging curve - long early peak power, but not too crazy high (more gentle on battery) staying mostly above 74 kW all the way to 50% is great, and over 50 kW to 80% is very solid. Recovering ~230 km of range (~2 hours highway driving) in 20 minutes charging is already pretty comfortable for rest breaks on long trips. This car is an all-rounder.

[@alexandru-florea]

Now that I saw the charging of the 77kwh battery, I can definitely say that the 58kwh is the best choice. For sure you have more range on the bigger battery, but that's the only advantage. The low voltage of the 77kwh battery will make the 50kw charger even slower. On 50kw charger, by only viewing the numbers, the 58kwh will charge with 50kw up to 80%soc, but the 77kwh will charge as low as 40kw with a peak of 50kw at 82% to 85% soc.

[@muhammadirfanataulawal7630]

The charging curve shape is very similar to e-tron curve, just lower power and earlier drop to 75 kWh. Good stuff

[@onewheelnut]

Great style of content you present really well How much do you € guys pay pre KW ?

[@BatteryLife]

1 year free with First Edition

[@jerrycampion]

I was of the opinion that depleting the battery to below 10 per cent and certainly below 5 was not good for the battery? Thanks for your reviews so far could you do some work on the remote app if it has one thank you.

[@tkermi]

I think that if the battery isn't demanded to provide high C output when at low charge level it's going to be okay. Earlier Li-ion batteries were more sensitive to low charge level problems because they had higher internal resistance and under load drop too low. In this video (at 0,25x) you can see that the battery was at 372V before the charger began charging. For this battery pack (108 cells in series) that means 3,44V/cell. That should not be too low - unless demanding high C output. That said, I wouldn't drain the battery under 10% on a regular basis.

[@onlineo2263]

I believe it is fine to go low as long as you don't leave it low. So drive to 2% and then plug in. If you drive to 2% and leave overnight or for a week then you are asking for trouble long term Same at 100%.

[@tkermi]

@@onlineo2263 I think so too.

[@IvanLayton]

You haven't got bored with you're new toy yet. Great. Excuse the sarcasm. Like you're enthusiasm. Helping other people with their cars.

[@kittyvandeput8326]

Wow i am impressed ✅

[@foersom5928]

Great video. Battery is 62.0 kWh gross, 58.0 kWh usable capacity. In video Ionity charges 62.1 kWh to reach 100%, so there must be ~4.5 kWh charge loss probably to run battery TMS (thermal management system). Based on the list of charging times in the article and usable battery 58.0 kWh, the average charge power: 2%-60%: 25 mn: 81 kW 2%-65%: 28 mn: 78 kW 2%-70%: 31 mn: 76 kW 2%-80%: 39 mn: 70 kW 2%-90%: 50 mn: 61 kW 2%-100%: 65 mn: 52 kW Next time it would be great if Battery Life would add a running clock in the fast-motion video, so we see minutes and seconds to reach a specific percentage.

[@BatteryLife]

The minutes are there ;)

[@onlineo2263]

Interesting video. I would love to see how the charging curve compares to an eNiro, a Polestar 2 and a Tesla Model 3. These cars have similar range and internal space as the id3. The price of the Kia is also similar. The sr+ Tesla is within £5000 (that difference should reduce when they are built locally or imported from China), the Polestar is currently £10,000 more expensive but they said that cheaper versions should be arriving in 2021.

[@BatteryLife]

Me too. But they won't give me acar to test.

[@bluesforever5274]

Here are charging curves recorded last year on some key EVs (except maybe Renault Zoé) insideevs.com/photo/4022984/quickest-charging-electric-cars-compared-at-175-kw-charger/ : you can find Hyundai Kona (similat to Kia eNiro), Model 3 LR, Audi E-tron best. ID3 looks to be just underneath I-Pace.

[@scottwills4698]

Great video, who’d have thought battery charging would be so entertaining 🤪

[@arthemis1039]

How are the costs on this Ionity station ? Because I am in France and I know often you can get ripped off when charging to such places. I know big travels are exceptionals, but it is no excuse for paying the kW more than the liter of gas

[@BatteryLife]

Free for 1 year with the First Edition.

[@arthemis1039]

@@BatteryLife That's nice, but do you have more infos for the non-First and once the year is done ? I know Ionity does nice deals with the VW consortium, so it would be ok for an ID.3, but with a Renault or Peugeot the price may be quite salty

[@bluesforever5274]

None for french ID3 owners! Prices for We Charge VW card using Ionity stations : 0,79 €/min in France without monthly subscription....0,55 €/min with 7,49 €/month...or 0,30 €/min with 17,49 €/month!!! (free monthly subscription only for the 1st year)

[@bertsteenbergen6729]

Great video, great insight. Looks like your battery is a lot bigger than 58 kWh. Lots of succes with your ID.3. I envy you (in a positive manner)

[@BatteryLife]

Thanls. It is not bigger. That is heatloss.

[@bertsteenbergen6729]

@@BatteryLife Thx, you're right...you know your stuff!! Really appreciate the effort you put in making your videos. Together with Nextmove, CarManiac and TeslaBjorn you are my favorite e-mobility channels. Thanks for your efforts

[@plugandplayEV]

Your 80-100% power (~50kW tapering gradually to ~20kW) is what we get across a whole charge session in our 2020 Bolt EV (Ampera-e)... makes us excited to see the ID. 4 on these shores!

[@tkermi]

That's really nice speed 😲. Excellent!

[@buzzofftoxicblog791]

Wow toooo fast for us😁🌎we always stop for tea walk snacks toilet 40 minutes to a 60 minute stop. Our i3 bit slower but always near full 🤔😎😀. When the fast charger works here in the UK we have crap charge net work 😥. Hope soon we build good charge net work close ALL TOXIC FUEL STATIONS 🌎😁. THANK YOU FOR POSTING ABOUT VW ID3 #BUZZOFFTOXIC #NONPROFTLEADERSHIP

[@martink.9442]

My wish Was. Till 50% full Power with 100 kW, untill 75% with 75 kW and then goes down. That's perfect for my opinion.

[@muhammadirfanataulawal7630]

Probably possible on ID.3 with heat pump version, but VW may hold the capability first to document the effect or reliability

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Till 50 % 100 kW should be possible with the 77 kWh battery.

[@martink.9442]

@@abraxastulammo9940 the e-tron do it

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@martink.9442 No car does it like eTron! 👌You simply don't have to care at which SoC you arrive for best charge speeds. But it is so thirsty... 😲 I think the eTron Q4 will be a completely different animal.

[@muhammadirfanataulawal7630]

@@abraxastulammo9940 If Q4 can give you 125 kW for full 0-80% and drop it gradually to 100% like e-tron while having same consumption as ID.3 or 4 then we have a winner

[@scasc]

Other charging tests shared on KZbin do not show that drop at around 40%, however in term of minutes the results seems to be consistent: 33 minutes from 5 to 75 or 35 minutes from 10 to 80. That drop could be due to a temporary overheating (the car was previously driven fast) that was first managed by the BMS and then recovered by the cooling system.

[@Muskar2]

So around 140km range (@130km/h) charged in 20 minutes. So in 5 hours of driving you'd be able to travel ~550km @130km/h which is ~120km more than 5h @90km/h. My guesstimate: 2h @130km/h 100% -> 15% | 20m 15% -> 62% | 1h20m @130km/h 62% -> 5% | 20m 5% -> 55% | 1h @130km/h 55% -> 13% Let me know if you think my numbers are off. If I'm right I'd guess the optimal long distance speed (aka march speed) is somewhere close to 130km/h, perhaps a little lower.

[@GroundhogDK]

Smashed the like button!

[@BatteryLife]

Thanks.

[@Gresteh]

It's a good curve, and the car seems to have similar charging efficiency (91,4%) to what Bjorn measured for his Model 3 at Ionity, but i'm not sure if he charged to 100% so i'm not 100% certain about both values being comparable.

[@markmagiera6115]

Looks like 82% should be the cycle for distance to convenient recharging for best efficiency. Even at 3% the pack is at 400v & charge speed is already at 100kW. So that would spell that one could bank on the idea that you could cycle down to between 5-20% for planning stops & only refill to 82% where the last plane of 50kW ends. I would route plan from 82% to anywhere from 5-20% if I was needing to get from A to B with the most efficient stops. That bottom 15% of added charge is about 10kW & was added in 6 minutes. How far does that 10kW get you further knowing it is only 6min of charge time? 5% to 82% would be a 38 min charge time. 20% to 82% would be a 32 min charge time. Makes route planning for that 1K km that much more interesting. Factor is to find the idea speed, whether it be 90-100km or 120-130km. OR top it out as a left lane hugger. Look forward to Sunday.

[@Bruce-bz5ci]

hi can you charge on a 50kw charger some time from any soc below 70% as we do not have many 100kw chargers in the uk

[@abraxastulammo9940]

It is best for those 50 kW chargers because of the high voltage with the 58 kWh version. Should be about 48 kW average.

[@LaurentVitalis]

Have you tried other charger "brands" ? Have you ever had hand-shaking problems (any trouble starting the charge) ?

[@BatteryLife]

Both no

[@asaftzadok6647]

I like to see your enthusiasm around the ID.3 :-) It seems that you used more than 62KWh to charge, do you know how much from it went to the battery ?

[@BatteryLife]

None, that is heatloss.

[@asaftzadok6647]

Battery Life , so the net capacity is 58kWh or higher ?

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@asaftzadok6647 Skoda says 58.3 kWh

[@alexandru-florea]

This is a bit confusing, 4kwh buffer or 4kwh losses? Almost 62kwh charged for a 58kwh usable battery capacity... The speed is at least good enough! If you have enough time, is it possible to record a charging on a 50kw charger? Thank you!

[@BatteryLife]

Heat loss. Software doesn't show kW charging power yet. So I couldn't tell you how it charges on a 50 kW charger. Just the time and SOC.

[@Muppetkeeper]

Hello, what is your consumption, KWH per 100km at 130kph please.

[@christianhovestadt1894]

it was in his video. around 205wh/km so 20,5 kwh per 100 km

[@Muppetkeeper]

christian hovestadt thank you, I saw the video but had forgotten

[@ivancajka732]

I'm interested to see if the 85 kWh version will charge faster

[@BatteryLife]

It is. 125 kW msx.

[@FordGranada75]

Can't wait to see the 77kWh-id.3 charging.

[@BatteryLife]

Me too!

[@foersom5928]

VW has stated that 82 kWh (77 kWh netto) has max 125 kW. Battery 82 kWh has 32% higher capacity than 62 kWh battery. As the max charge power is only 25% higher on 82 kWh (125 kW), it likely can continue to charge with 125 kW until a higher SOC, perhaps to ~40%.

[@paname514]

Peugeot 208 also reaches 80% (but like, from about 0% to 80%) in 30 minutes at with 100 kW charging speed at the beginning

[@BatteryLife]

I would love to test one, but Peugeot doesn't give me one. Yet.

[@arnold_2523]

Peugeot 208 is a thirsty beast ....

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Wrong, it is 38 min best case.

[@oykkh29]

The Battery is only 58 KWh. How can you charge over 60kwh?.

[@BatteryLife]

Heatloss with charging. That is normal.

[@oykkh29]

Battery Life ok tnx 😀🚗

[@thelondonbroiler]

The battery thermal management system is also going to use power that this figure account for.

[@markmagiera6115]

there is resistance in the charging of the battery. In this case it was about 4.9kW. This loss is not just the battery, resistance can occur in the cables (indicated by getting warm/hot) connectors, or even the ability of the battery management system. Even in winter months, also consider "loss" occurring by keeping the HVAC going while you charge.

[@g-und-u]

Ich wünsche mir Deutsche Untertitel, kann man das Einschalten?

[@BatteryLife]

Nur wenn es jemand manuell schreibt.

[@baercontact]

Sorry to ask, do u have comparative data for the i3 too?

[@BatteryLife]

Nope, never had one.

[@yosyp5905]

In Italy the DC charging (not even reaching these speeds) costs 80 cents / kW. Absurd price, on par with ICE almost. Needs to go down, what's the price on these?

[@yosyp5905]

@timemachine_194 Yes but not on 50kW.

[@yosyp5905]

@timemachine_194 I bought a Zoe, I think I know where you're going. I won't have problems charging home, I've already planned everything. I simply stated that the DC charging here in Italy costs too much, at highway efficiency it's close to costing just like my Diesel car, if not even more. It doesn't make any financial sense to charge at 80 cents / kW, the price needs to go down if they want us to use it. AC 22kW is also 40cents. Not bad, not great neither.

[@alittlebitintellectual7361]

I Love how the KW dial on the ionity charger is just the example dial in the arduino tft library. Aka the most basic it gets

[@WillDeasy]

And only tritium can update it. Not the provider's. It's ridiculous. Looks crappy and cheap

[@ehabtaleb1754]

The maximum distance for your full battery and average speed ?

[@SuperV8driver]

125km/h and 280km. 80mph and 180miles

[@troypoynter8484]

62kw charged on a 58kw usable battery. Do we think VW hasn’t put a buffer in the 62kw pack or it used 4kw for battery thermal management? Based on this I wouldn’t want to run the car to zero.

[@BatteryLife]

That is heatloss. Not all the energy delivered from the charger goes into the battery. That is normal.

[@troypoynter8484]

Battery Life I would expect 1%-2% max for heat loss not 7%. I’m an electrical engineer and for me it would be a mix of heat loss, thermal management of both car and charger plus no buffer. Drive past 0% to test please. 🧐

[@bluesforever5274]

Charging losses measured by ADAC : presse.adac.de/meldungen/adac-ev/technik/ladeverlust.html. From 10% to 25%....worst for Model 3 LR? No carmaker gives this efficiency... 😮

[@bluesforever5274]

@@e-redj Yes, you are right, measured for 22kW AC, these losses may be about the same at every charging at home...so most of the time.

[@MyID3byFrode]

Good stuff!

[@arnold_2523]

Comparison with Tesla M3 SR+ would be great

[@BatteryLife]

There is a video of me comparing the Id.3 to a M3 SR+. But only a short time charging. The M3 gets 170 kW to 17% then the power goes down. But it charges faster than the Id.3 and is more efficient.

[@130rapid]

It's alike listening futbol game. :D

[@markmagiera6115]

I was thinking more like horse racing.

[@Tore_Lund]

Then wait two weeks till you get the EUR 150,- bill in the mail, then the excitement cools a bit, or do you get a discount?

[@BatteryLife]

1 year for free with the first edition

[@Tore_Lund]

@@BatteryLife That is actually a considerable discount on the purchase price, if you do this a lot.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@Tore_Lund Capped at 2000 kWh or 600 EUR worth of energy.

[@markmagiera6115]

Every video sells another ID3. I would give him a 2nd card after the year...

[@Tore_Lund]

@@abraxastulammo9940 Except it doesn't cost only 30 Cents at any chargers in Germany if you don't have a special deal. more like 47 with various subscriptions and 90 at fast chargers as this one + the subscription fee itself. I'm sure If you just pulled up and plugged in, without any card and only paying with your Visa, it would be around EUR 2.50/kWh. So being given 2MWh for free is more like 1000-2000 EUR in discount on the purchase price.

[@ursodermatt8809]

the ioniq curve is not correct with a 150kw charger. it is correct with a 50 kw charger though. it goes up to 67kw.

[@BatteryLife]

I only had a 38kWh Ioniq facelift for testing.

[@ralfkramer6297]

Ok, that means about 30 Minutes for 200km Range...

[@GroundhogDK]

So 35 minutes from 10-80% Not bad. Didn't the marketing material say 30 minutes for that?

[@abraxastulammo9940]

I think it said 31 min. for 10-80 and 35 min for 5-80 %. 10-80 seems to be a consistant 34 min. according to several reviewers now.

[@GroundhogDK]

@@abraxastulammo9940 So not quite what was was promised, but I suppose it will have to do.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@GroundhogDK Let's see if the 77 kWh battery can get 5-80 in 38 min! Skoda first had a bad time like 47 min, but in the configurator they updated it to 38 min. now.

[@GroundhogDK]

@@abraxastulammo9940 Skoda Enyaq? Where you must pay extra to get more than 50 kW charging? No thanks!

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@GroundhogDK But you also get 1 year Ionity access. 😅

[@uktechie8013]

Boom! 👍⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡

[@musinclind37]

Excited about charging for over an hour. No that is not exciting!! Buy a new German made model Y as soon as you can next year!

[@jonpetter8921]

With VW you don t need duct tape or buy parts at Home Depot.

[@musinclind37]

@timemachine_194 Great response. Thanks. Yes I've heard where smaller cars in Europe are used because of parking restraints and narrow streets, etc. If you have enough range then slow charging is ok. Here in US we like to travel and extra room so we need fast charging. I'm going to wait for the newer battery just announced which is going to be a technology game changer and a financial game changer for all of us. Regards

[@o00scorpion00o]

I can't wait to see the charging speed when the battery is cold.

[@huss1205]

It's like commenting on a sports event. At 100 KWh, 420V, 40-50% taking 7 minutes and we are still going hard.........

[@sliddjur]

Hope you can get TM3 on those charts!

[@BatteryLife]

Nope. tesla won't give me one.

[@1995205]

The good thing is that, like the ZS, it won't throttle in a 50 kW charger thanks to that high voltage. Quite a good mid range car from what I've seen so far. It only lacks some useful data for the user/driver. Typical from VW.

[@adrianpike4649]

Interesting ; You consumed 62kWh to charge a 58kWh battery, meaning that 4kWh was lost due to heating etc.

[@BatteryLife]

Even more, since I started at 2%.

[@christiankuppler6643]

@@BatteryLifeWenn you start driving at 100% SOC, after how many km will drop the gom to 99,5 or 99%. Is it possible to drive more km per percentage in comparison to lower SOC?

[@cyberslim7955]

@@christiankuppler6643 Good question. In my MS90D-junk, ist is not linear and it is not reliable at all. At low levels of SoC it seems the battery is leaking power quicker and quicker and the range is melting away.

[@markmagiera6115]

yeah, it is more like a 4.9kW lost to heat. from 2-100%. He used 57.1kW of the pack prior to charge.

[@ruudkraan7072]

E SOUL almost the same time is 100% 555 km.80 more than VW.

[@BatteryLife]

That is nice.

[@UweRoclawski]

Die Realität für Laternenparker sieht leider noch so aus: Aldi-Süd 20kw Ladesäule oder neuere mit maximal 50kw Ladeleistung. Wenn man wenig fährt reicht das, aber wenn man voll laden muss, dann dauert das wesentlich länger. Die 100kw Ladesäulen stehen wo? An den Autobahnen? Für Reisende nützlich, für alle anderen nicht. Aber: wir sind ja auf dem Weg...Geduld ist gefragt. Danke für das Video. Leider zeigt der ID.3 die Ladeleistung nicht im Cockpit an (VW will den Rentner nicht überfordern?) und man muss es umständlich über die App (We Connect ID) ablesen. Hier sieht man wie bescheuert das ganze ist. Technisch überhaupt kein Problem, aber VW ist zu blöd oder will einfach nicht. Danke für das Video.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Ladesäulen kommen zu fast allen Tankstellen.

[@UweRoclawski]

@@abraxastulammo9940 Hoffentlich auch mit bezahlbaren Tarifen, sonst wird dort niemand laden.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@UweRoclawski Bin mal gespannt, was bei Aldi Süd HPC verlangt wird.

[@DaraM73]

Ionity charging in the UK has poor coverage, especially in Scotland. The amount of Tesla’s driving around rural areas is extraordinary, so common.

[@vitagoogi6067]

echt jetzt.... das soll toll sein 🤔 1,5h auf der autobahn = 30 min nachladen?! beeindruckt nicht wirklich!

[@marc3801]

Bei 130km/h reicht eine volle Ladung für 280km, nach dem Nachladen bis 80% also für 224km. Wenn man eine Ladezeit von etwa 60 Minuten (40min bis 80% und an- bzw. Abfahrt mit Anstecken) annimmt, schafft man schlussendlich mit einer realen Durchschnittsgeschwindigkeit von 120 km/h zum Beispiel 500km Fahrstrecke innerhalb von etwa 5,17 Stunden! Das finde ich einen guten Wert, der sich nicht vorm Verbrenner verstecken muss. Das Auto wird meiner Vermutung nach auch zu 95% auf Strecken genutzt, die innerhalb eines Radius von 200km (inkl. Hin- und Rückfahrt) liegen. Für die paar Fahrten im Jahr, die darüber hinaus gehen, fahre ich halt entspannt und plane etwas Zeit fürs laden etc. ein, finde ich echt nicht so wild. Klar, wenn den Anspruch hat, auch auf Urlaubsfahrten immer links mit 200km/h zu fahren ist das Elektroauto aktuell keine wirtschaftliche Lösung. Man sollte sich da allerdings die Frage stellen, ob es nicht vielleicht einfach schlauer ist, die Geschwindigkeit zu senken und sich wenigstens ein bisschen an andere Umstände anzupassen oder ob man stur an alten Gewohnheiten festhalten will. Mal ganz abgesehen, dass dieses Geschwindigkeitsthema mittlerweile auch nur noch eine Diskussion in Sachen Reichweite ist. Elektroautos mit genügend Power unterm Sitz gibt es schon genügend, siehe Model S bzw. X, Audi etron, Porsche Taycan... Ich hoffe, das die kleine Proberechnung geholfen hat, ich freue mich über Rückmeldungen! LG

[@marc3801]

@timemachine_194 Genau so denke ich auch! Wenn man sogar am eigenen Parkplatz laden kann wird die gesamte Ladesäulenthematik ja hinfällig, das ist echt gut! Dann viel Freude mit dem Fahrzeug, hast du es schon bestellt oder sogar schon einen Auslieferungstermin? LG

[@marc3801]

@timemachine_194 Sicherlich keine schlechte Idee! Mir ist das Auto aktuell noch zu teuer, ich kaufe mir generell auch nur ungern einen Neuwagen. Ich hoffe, dass man in 2-3 Jahren attraktive Angebote auf dem Gebrauchtwagenmarkt finden kann. Solange verfolge ich gespannt, was sich so alles in Sachen Elektromobilität tun wird. LG

[@martinschmidt2683]

Schon wieder spricht er Englisch. Was ist los mit dir?

[@marc3801]

Mehr Reichweite! Gerade beim Thema Elektroauto doch eine gute Sache, damit erreicht man sicherlich viele interessierte aus Ländern und Regionen, die in Sachen ID.3 noch kaum Content haben! Die freuen sich bestimmt, wenn jemand hier aus Deutschland von seinen Erfahrungen berichtet :) LG