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[@idanceforpennies281]

The charge rate clearly has been optimised to give you about 3 hours of driving per natural break cycle for most people. That's smart.

[@maverickgraysen2537]

I guess it's pretty off topic but does anybody know of a good site to watch new movies online ?

[@gunnarfabian9670]

@Maverick Graysen i would suggest Flixzone. You can find it by googling =)

[@idanceforpennies281]

@@maverickgraysen2537 Solar Movies

[@Gehirnkrampf666]

big battery doesnt really eat "space", it eats weight. so it cant load up a fifth passenger or a bicycle on the back (thats why you wont get an anhängerkupplung for it)

[@Alice-D-23]

agree

[@MikeDeeee]

@@TheSteinbitt Battery is flat below in the same container irrespective of the capacity.

[@MikeDeeee]

@@TheSteinbitt There is a metal box between the axles under the cabin in which the battery modules are inserted. For the smaller batteries, there is some empty space in the box.

[@cap0815]

@@e-redj not quite, 82kWh weigh 130kg more than 62kWh technical data: vehicle payload: 62kWh: 413 - 540 kg 82kWh: 343 - 412 kg

[@hansjuergen28]

You can get an Anhängerkupplung for the ID.3, but you cannot pull Anhängers with it. It's only the trailer hitch "knob" for bike carriers and can take up to 55kg (2-3 bikes) if I remember correctly. See pictures and blabla here: www.speakev.com/threads/id-3-specifications.143446/

[@SeriouslyJaded]

The big battery ID.3 is penalized in weight so it's not allowed to carry 5 passengers. Same space but lacking the middle seat belt - most people never have 5 people in their car so it's not an issue for 95% of people I think.

[@stormdancer1910]

The ID.3 with 77 kWh has a max cargo payload of 416 kg. With 4 people and some luggage the car is to heavy to drive.

[@jean-claudevijt4695]

Only the 77kw has 4 seats. The other battery versions have 5 seats.

[@jean-claudevijt4695]

@@stormdancer1910 If they were 5 seats, VW should need to change the configuration of the brakes,... which would make it more expensive for the 77 kw.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

@@jean-claudevijt4695 probably some parts of the suspension too

[@bjornnyland]

*77 kWh

[@meiakla2519]

Daumen hoch for the german thumbnail :D

[@ExilschwabeOche]

You definitely get a like for the German title 😄

[@walidelrefai7745]

Keep up the good work so many videos lately!

[@Gresteh]

As others have pointed out, the issue with the large battery version is not about space, but weight, there are wight limits for this type of cars and the ID.3 with the large battery is too close to that limit to allow for a 5th person and luggage so they had to remove that seat. It's an unfortunate rule that comes from long ago, it doesn't make any sense for EVs but still it has to comply with those regulations.

[@chriswinter7787]

In a year or 2 time it will be allowed 5 seats as the battery will be lighter so people shouldn't really fuss over a trivial matter.

[@sergiudan117]

Corsa-e goes with 82kW until 55 percent now and then it goes with 56 kW until 74 percent. This comparison is not correct from today's pov. They have changed the software.

[@02semiata]

It’s still a corsa lol

[@JPetr94]

And may be now after SW change it consumes 20 instead of 24 @120km/h TBTP? 🙃

[@frederikjmx]

That's the information Bjørn would have needed in the livestream... Don't know if he reads it now

[@sergiudan117]

@@JPetr94 haven't check that one yet.

[@markevans4832]

Is that a dealer software update as my e208 hasn’t had this

[@berthogendoorn722]

ID3 - 75% of 55KWH = 41.25, Soul EV - 62% of 64KWH = 39.68 at the 40 minute mark, ID3 - 86% of 55KWH = 47.3, Soul EV - 74% of 64KWH = 47.36 at the 40 minute mark

[@lo_durr]

first line: ...at the 31 minute mark

[@pezomarko]

didn't notice they charge roughly the same amount of energy in 30 minutes, from video it sounded like ID3 is the faster one... thank you

[@pezomarko]

​@@Moody_Blues_ I ordered e-Niro few months ago, got deal for 43.000€ (no subsidies) top trim level. Now I'm just wondering if it's still the best deal I could get. My few times a year road trip is exactly 300km (270km highway) I'm hoping niro 64kWh can do it on single charge since we have very limited number of fast chargers.

[@st4849]

@@pezomarko It can do 300km on a single charge. In most cases more. In a very few cases less. Depending on the environmental factors and how fast you go.

[@berthogendoorn722]

I am happy with my 2020 Soul EV 64kwh model, last 2000KM trip averaging about 108KM/hr I was getting 18.3KWh/100KM (several 1200meter + passes), I was comfortable and with the Michelin CrossClimate all weather tires, nice and quiet so I could listen to the great sound system! The Kona is great but about $2.5K CAD more for the same level trim and less room in the back seat, but we just got news of the ID4 and it looks awesome! VW, Kia and Hyundai all make great cars for us people that cannot afford a Tesla.

[@elektrischunterwegscom]

100km range in 16 min. Not bad.

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

I can achieve that as well with an Ioniq 28.

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@JohnDoe-vx3z yes you might be able but the other cars have more range from 100% so you'd have to stop more to charge + it's a slow car, but so is the e-208.

[@MikeDeeee]

@@o00scorpion00o 100 km in 16 minutes in the Ioniq seems a little slow to me. I usually target 130 km/h (GPS speed), which results in a consumption of 160 Wh/km in summer. 16 kWh (for 100 km range) can be recharged in 14 minutes.

[@volvodashcam]

@@JohnDoe-vx3z Yea.. On a 100kW charger (or more) I charge the first 15 minutes with a speed at 65-70kW. That gives about 16-17kWh in those 15 minutes. Enough to go 100km in 110km/h or more if the conditions are good. :)

[@Francesco93488]

Ioniq actually charges at more than 500km/h on 100kw and more chargers

[@johnchartrand5910]

ID3 is very impressive, excellent car format, hopefully they bring it to Canada

[@Mariini]

Maybe not because your SUV fever, but ID4 soon.

[@johnchartrand5910]

@@Mariini not me, I want a hatchback, currently drive a Bolt and Leaf.

[@josepha.p.2639]

These analyses you make will surely help the manufacturers to be a bit more competitive one another about these aspects you're testing.

[@BatteryLife]

Thanks! Your Id3 charged weird in the end. My Id.3, even at 99% SOC, never goes under 19 kW and it doesn't jump around like your presscar.

[@berthogendoorn722]

The ID3 matches the Soul EV on KWH of energy delivered to the pretty well most of the duration of the charge cycle, but as the ID3 is more efficient you get more KM's. This is very interesting!

[@Mtatc1]

So you get Kona and have a more efficent car than ID3

[@chriswinter7787]

@@Mtatc1 pretty sure he said the id3 was still better than the Kona.

[@Mtatc1]

@@chriswinter7787 He said this, but it was wrong.

[@chriswinter7787]

@@Mtatc1 how?

[@peteglass3496]

Excellent charging curve [combined with its good efficiency] making the ID3 a highly usable road trip car able to do sustained 70mph/110kph highway speeds without having to nurse range. The 'autobahners' might want the bigger 77kWhr model but this does the speed limit fine in most of Europe. The ID3 is being produced in volume, let's see if the take up fulfills the promise.

[@akselhanssen9301]

I hope to see test of other wheelsizes if the ID3. I have heard from other testers that 19-20" use a lot more power per km and the noise level goes up. Since you are the only tester i trust on the long range testing. ^-^

[@MikeDeeee]

@@aliancemd Big Tyres are really such a stupid fashion for normal cars. There's no real advantage in real life but plenty of disadvantages.

[@RedBanana24]

e 208 was charging faster than ID 4 until about 80 % ... battery and their fore range ist smaller but if you compare just Charging time e 208 was faster or similar.

[@FrikandelBroodje69]

Not that much difference in charge speed between ID3 and e-208 if you compare to 80% eventhough e-208 thottles faster. Above 80% ID3 overtakes it. Wonder how expensive the cheaper version of ID3 will be, nice car.

[@sergiudan117]

Check again, e208 has an improved speed nowadays.

[@brais6518]

Also at 90% e208 video was paused (look at minutes)

[@petrkubena]

Thanks for the test. Looks like ID3 could be as fast or even a bit faster to 100% than Model 3. At 70% SoC M3 is at 55kW while ID3 at 50kW, while at 80% it is 37kW for M3 and 51kW for ID3. Range gained over time graph could be very close and could even cross at high SoC.

[@bjornnyland]

Not really. Model 3 peaks at 170 kW whereas ID3 peaks at only 100 kW. That head start is impossible to catch.

[@MrNikitir]

@@bjornnyland I would assume by this point Tesla has way more data about battery charging and charging capabilities that VW. We might have some changes going down the line, but now- TESLA FOR THE WIN!

[@petrkubena]

@@bjornnyland Do you know the trick question for children where you ask "what car will finish faster 100km long race - car A, that is driving 100km/h or car B, that is driving 500km/h first 50km and 50km/h second half?" (or you can ask for average speed) This is similar problem -slow charging is adding disproportionately more time. Difference to 89% (88,8% for tesla is close enough) was 7 minutes here. Let's assume that ID3 would charge at 25kw average and M3 15kw average last 10-11%. That's again roughly 7 minute difference (20 vs 13 minutes). Don't know what are the exact averages, but you could be surprised how close it can be. Especially if normalized for range where id3 needs 2-3% less from its larger pack (it was 402 vs 413km for the whole pack).

[@DanielZajic]

Charging speed is very important for daily life, I'm glad VW succeeded with that. Assuming the battery doesn't degrade, that along with efficiency should help this car sell very well.

Daily life? Daily charging should be home charging for 90% of people I'd say...

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

the magic word is "good enough". i need the bigger battery. i sometimes have to drive 300 autobahn kilometers - not in snail mode. it still has the same five seats but is only certified for four seats because of too much weight. i think it is a great car for a good price - except the HMI with it's strange star wars dildo as a drive selector. they should look at Skoda, they made that much better.

[@DjTonioRoffo]

Its the only thing that bothers me really, on the ID.3

[@Will-dq4vh]

Would be good to update this now with the new Stellantis charging curve.

[@gregorygant4242]

The new ID4 is supposed to be even more efficient in charging and battery usage than the ID3. Can't wait to see results for that when it comes out.

[@st4849]

ID3 only put 1.44 kWh more into its battery than the e-Soul in the same time frame. I expected a lot bigger difference from 100kW vs 77kW charging speeds. The e-Soul's charging characteristics aren't bad after all. ID3: 56 kWh * 90% = 50.4 kWh charged; e-Soul: 64 kWh * (86.5-10)% = 48.96.kWh charged.

[@bjornnyland]

As mentioned in this video and many other videos: Most people don't fast charge to 90 % because it takes too much time. Most people charge to 70-80 %.

[@o00scorpion00o]

What's more beneficial to see is how many Kwh are put in to the battery in x time.

[@bjornnyland]

No, what's more useful is to see km/h.

[@stephenseagrave5079]

Why does Evryone say the ID3 and Model 3 are a comparable price, where live base ID3 = €33,000 and base Model 3 =€48,000 they are not even close to the same price

[@bjornnyland]

In Norway, ID3 costs 350-450k. Model 3 Standard Range Plus costs 380k.

[@stephenseagrave5079]

@@bjornnyland looks like Ireland adds a primuim tax for cars coming from outside EU. might get better when Giga berlin arrives. im picking up my new ID3 tomorrow. so loving your conternt as always

[@josefsoltes8572]

ID3 is using pretty high voltage cells, charging to 4,2 V at 100 %, same as E-Tron.

[@MikeDeeee]

The charging curve tails off linearly with the exception of a constant plateau of 50 kW from 70% to 82%.

[@ricardoaguiar8841]

Bjorn doesn't think the big battery will be worth it. That's great. Am waiting for 45 KWh 😁

[@michaelinOZ]

AFAIK the small ID3 Will be one phase AC and 50KW DC charging...

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@michaelinOZ So a city car.

[@ricardoaguiar8841]

@@michaelinOZ Nope. We already know it can have 100 KW. Now, how much it will cost, another matter entirely

[@RichardSingleton0318]

Like...a...ninja!!! 😁

[@thomaseriksson3182]

Good charging curve on this!👍 No big drops at all. Any noice test done with the entry level id 3?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes, of course.

[@nickbabes1678]

I wonder if Plus and Max have the same linear charging curve.

[@BatteryLife]

Same battery, so yes.

[@DarcersTech]

The ID3 with the base battery will be very interesting to see. Have high hopes based on this.

[@DarcersTech]

Ben W They do need to make money somehow and keep the base price low at the same time. So I don’t necessarily mind, as long as there is an option to unlock the higher charging power without it being over the top expensive.

[@stefback166]

Cool

[@Jukonja]

Ultra schnell lol

[@berthogendoorn722]

here is a correction... ID3 - 75% of 55KWH = 41.25, Soul EV - 62% of 64KWH = 39.68 at the ~31 minute mark, ID3 - 86% of 55KWH = 47.3, Soul EV - 74% of 64KWH = 47.36 at the 40 minute mark

[@bjornnyland]

Correction: ID3 battery is not 55 kWh, it's 56 kWh

[@berthogendoorn722]

@@bjornnyland Thanks Bjorn, just have a fresh update on the Canadian website for the ID4, yes looks really awesome, will be ready for your review when it is released in Europe!

[@berthogendoorn722]

www.vw.ca/en/models/new-vehicles/id4.html for Canadian ID4 info

[@madgaming3172]

ID3 looking pretty good so far. I wonder when I will see the first one driving around my town.

[@patrickcrombez150]

Thank you for all the work, this is very interesting Bjorn, but don't you think that the range difference between 90 and 120 km/h may come from the temperature too? (20 to 12°c) Did you used the heater?

[@frederikjmx]

No, that's not how it works. The increase in aerodynamic resistance due to the temperature difference is miniscule (

[@ScaredOfMonster]

is there a comparison graph for the ID3 with the Model S/3/X and others ?

[@fullyelectric]

Great content as always.. Thank you .. looks like 7min difference between ID.3 and the Tesla model 3 to 90% ?.. overall not bad as all .. I wonder what the ID.4 will do .. can’t wait to get that car too ..

[@bjornnyland]

9 minute difference

[@fullyelectric]

Bjørn Nyland you are correct .. 9min still I was not expecting WV to be that good .. looking into getting a ID.4 too bad ID.3 may not hit the US.

[@Arthur770]

But the ID.3 has a 14% bigger battery so they charge at about same speed on average? When the model 3 hits 90% the battery is charged to 45 kWh and the ID.3 is at about 82% at that moment which translates to 47 kWh. So the ID.3 charging speed overall is slightly faster it seems?

[@davidclargarcia8623]

Hello @Bjorn Nyland. Thank you for the great job you do. Could you please publish charging graphs (kWh vs time and/or km added vs time) for all the vehicles you have tested? I cannot see this information in your Google shiiieeeeeeets! Thank you very much

[@Mtatc1]

1000 km with Kona was slower than ID3 because Kona drives another route than ID3 in winter and ID3 drive in summer.

[@bjornnyland]

Norway route is almost as fast as the Sweden route due to better charging network.

[@maxr6470]

but the Winter fact remains, so its not that fair.. and as a good german kid, i learned from Prof. Nyland, in winter the air is more dense, there is more friction, that is scheisse, nein, nein, nein..

[@jkev1425]

I always leave the Supercharger with my SR+ when my charging speed drops to ~65kw.

[@shockwave1xD]

Man that ID3 is charging really well. I wonder how it compares to SR+ regarding the kWh charged (because it has a bigger battery it seems to be slower, but is it really?)

[@janekw.6022]

A little software bug at 99% or what do you think is the jumping arround ;)

[@JPetr94]

It's the clean diesel burning out the DPF 😁

[@thelondonbroiler]

Cell balancing?

[@Boldberry44]

Hi Bjorn and his knowledgeable followers. I'm looking to get an EV for my next car and I have a bit of a newbie charging question: A battery is rated for X charging cycles. If you charge from say 20% to 80%, does this count as one charging cycle?

[@keyframex]

Some day real time charging speed will be as fast as in your sped up video :)

[@robinjohansson9734]

At the point when the M3 is finished I reckon it has charged 39.5kWh (79% of 50kWh). At the same time the id3 has charged 42.5kWh so 3kWh more than the Tesla! Or am I missing something?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes, you missed the point where I said that charging to 90 % is too slow. Check at 70 % instead.

[@robinjohansson9734]

@@bjornnyland Thanks! Yes, admittedly I returned to the video and didn’t listen properly. As you say, at 18 minutes of charging the Tesla reaches 69% and 29.5kWh vs. 56% and 25.8kWh respectively for the VW. It takes another 4 minutes for the VW to catch that 4kWh difference (63% at 22 minutes). After 12 minutes of charging the VW is in fact faster and catches up on the Tesla. I don’t have an EV myself (yet) and therefore do not have the fingerspitzgefühl but just judging from these numbers I would not say the Tesla is in a “league of it’s own”

[@DanLMH]

YO WHATS UP

[@GowthamV07]

For Tesla fanboys who think TESLA are the best always and ID3 won't sell.You have to consider that ID3 deosn't compete with Model 3. Its a compact mass market vehicle unlike model 3 sedan. Also not everyone will want a little bit faster charging and speed for more money. ID3 will sell like crazy whether you like it or not and it it will take some sales away from model 3 . For the first VW EV i think it did a great job with range and charging speed and also the cost of ID3 is lesser than Strandard range model 3.

[@CreRay]

Gowtham V I don’t think any in person in his right mind (Tesla fanboy or not) will claim that the ID.3 won’t sell. No VW fan on the other hand can deny that without Tesla, ID.3 would never have existed.

[@NinetyTres]

More EV is always better, Tesla can't take this on alone

[@allowambeBOWWAMB]

"mass market" for that price vs what you get? I think not.

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

Has anyone done child seats in EVs? for example, rear facing child seats absolutely destroy space. In my Mazda, no one can sit in the front passenger seat because it has to be so far forward to make space for the rear facing child seat behind it.

Yes Sweden needs tests like that!

[@OVarlamov]

A bigger battery to account for future degradation maybe? Read less range, lower charging speed and lower reselling value in some 5-7 years from now. Those 1st gen Leafs are not of these times anymore while Bolt/Ampera E are still relevant.

[@MrSpuzzz]

So am I interpreting that right? Model 3 whoops id3 from 0-60% but then id3 closes the gap and maybe even beats model 3 to the 100% soc finish line? (I know he stopped model 3 at 80% but it looked like id3 may have won that race if model 3 allowed to finish).

[@bjornnyland]

Fast charging to 100 % is pointless to measure because it's too slow, even for ID3.

[@mausje1612]

If they make de basis Id 3 fast charge and cheaper it will be a big it.

[@Soordhin]

Currently they don't have to, they cannot keep up with manufacturing anyway. And of course, they can earn a few extra Euros by offering fast charge as an option. To be quite honest, the small battery is probably a lowish demand option anyway.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

@@Soordhin i think they will sell less small batteries than big batteries too which will show that they have to improve all options by 5-10kWh. they need to add two more modules in all configurations or use higher energy density for the bigger battery. but that is just my guess. having 3 options allows to see real world demand very nicely

[@julian4605]

I wonder how fast the 150kw version of the e soul charges

[@daviddiaz4234]

ID.4 Please!!

[@mody448]

Please What electric are you recommend for €25,000 or you prefer hybrid plug-in thank you

[@brunomsa]

Hey Bjorn, would it be possible to get the charging curve at a 50kW fast charger? Some of us live in countries where 50kW is the most we get :(

[@thelondonbroiler]

50kw chargers are generally 125 amps. It will still be subject to current reduction at the specified levels.

[@MikeDeeee]

Multiply the Voltage level shown on the Ionity screen with 125 A and you get the charging curve in kW.

[@brunomsa]

@@MikeDeeee not sure about that. Can a 50kW fast charger reach a voltage above 400V? A proper test would be better, I think.

[@MikeDeeee]

@@brunomsa Of course they can! Otherwise they could not charge the cars fully. ABB Terra chargers can supply up to 500 V. But you are right: they are also usually limited to 50 kW. So you can derive the charge curve at a 50 kW charger from the Ionity charge curve in the video; but it is a little more complex: If the current shown on the Ionity screen is less than 125 A, and the power is less than 50 kW, the 50 kW charger can achieve the same charge rate. If the power is more than 50 kW and the current is less than 125 A, the 50 kW charger can only achieve 50 kW. If the current at Ionity is more than 125 A, the power at a 50 kW charger is the voltage multiplied by 125 A, capped at 50 kW.

[@brunomsa]

@@MikeDeeee I would suggest that a test would be easier to show that :-) And Bjorn gets a new video to release 😅

[@abbe79de]

Any ID.3 owners here? Could you tell me the length of the type 2 cable that comes with the car?

[@jesperstaalkjr4911]

6 meters 👍

[@kaymio6547]

The Maingau 'hack' isn't working anymore or is it? The Maingau website says that the price for Ionity is 73,11¢/kWh in the whole of Europe. Whether you are a Maingau customer or not.

[@Jozlek1]

e-208 video froze while the car was on 90% ...

[@stefanschulthess5397]

The Kia surprised me.

[@stephenshannon3706]

In what way did the Kia surprise you?

[@stefanschulthess5397]

@@stephenshannon3706 In a positive way. It keeps the speed quite long.

[@stephenshannon3706]

Stefan Schulthess I see what you mean. My car a 2019 E-Niro has the same power train and probably the same battery management software. In my experience the state of charge at the outset and both the ambient temperature and battery temperature can make a significant impact on the initial speed of charge. Maybe worth a look at Fastned web site which gives detailed profiling of the battery charging performance of many cars. In future this may be ever more important, though in the U.K. there are very few DC chargers that can offer more than 50kW and they are very expensive. A big battery is a huge advantage for those who can charge at home on solar or off- peak tariffs where speed often is not highly important - though I recognise the value of speed on long journeys or for those who can't charge at home.

[@MrNikitir]

Tesla for the win!

[@philsmtbs2956]

Please can you post the cost of charging at Ionity in future videos? They need to be publicly shamed for what they charge. Without this it just looks like a massive advert for them.

[@bjornnyland]

€0.3/kWh: www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/2020/07/we-charge-volkswagens-new-charging-service-has-over-150-000-publ.html

[@philsmtbs2956]

@@bjornnyland thank you. Unfortunately Ionity totally ludicrous if not a subscription user.

[@sergiudan117]

Corsa-e charges faster than ID3, probably the e-208 too

[@bjornnyland]

Nope. Corsa-e has the same battery as e-208.

[@sergiudan117]

@@bjornnyland check my below comment. It is based on measurements made on a 120kW delta charger.

[@malcolmjohnson9875]

These tests and comparisons are relevant only for those few who rely heavily on public chargers due to regular long distance driving. For the vast majority who make shorter daily journeys and park their car at home every night, AC charging at cheap rates is their experience. Public charging is chaotic in the UK and if you will frequently rely on public charging then Tesla is the only choice of EV for the reliable supercharger network. Ionity were setup by the large car makers to try and replicate the Tesla charger experience in Europe. In recent weeks the UK Ionity chargers are reported to be as unreliable as the other UK chargers. I stopped at Cambridge services to find only 2 of 4 chargers working each with max. charging speed of 35kWh (free vend). For most EV owners, Ionity will charge 70-80p per kWh compared to less than 10p per kWh cheap night rate at home. I’m paying 5p/kWh for four hours of charging each night so my energy cost for driving is less than 1.5p per mile.

[@user-um8rt2tr4e]

Björn pls make a Video from last night Tesla Sharholders Meeting😉 About the 25000 Dollar Tesla City Car and next Generation Batterie Technologie🔋🔋🔌 Looking forward for more informativ ev test... Waiting for your Live Stream for the opening from Giga Factory Berlin Germany in your informativ Channel seeing CEO Elon Musk next to you for an Interview😉

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

i saw it. it is the same improvement like every where else. nothing special

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

e2008 "the fat version" haha

[@steensuurballe4851]

Well my IOniq Classic does 62-68 KWH until 78%, so bye bye ID.3 :-)

[@bjornnyland]

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[@bjornnyland]

But ID3 has 2x the battery size of Ioniq. So 78 % on Ioniq is only 39 % on ID3. And the average speed on ID3 from 10-39 % is 97 kW. So bye bye, Ioniq ;)

[@steensuurballe4851]

@@bjornnyland just kidding, I choose Ioniq over ID.3. Price performance cant be beaten (at least in denmark), Ioiniq rules in that department

[@RubenKelevra]

So a two years old design by Tesla is still in a completely different league than the ID.3. charging, Performance, Interior and Software wise while comparable in price. What an embarrassment for VW.

[@thelondonbroiler]

Far from a VW fan here, but it may be too early to tell how long the Tesla pack will be in a different league. I say this, because the Tesla 85kwh pack charged fast until Tesla decided they screwed the pooch and nerfed it. A nerfed 85kwh Tesla probably charges slower than my Bolt EV. While I'd like to believe (and do) that Tesla corrected the issue, they have a tenancy to be.... a bit optimistic about things and reverse course. All that being said, without Tesla and the people willing to buy their cars, non of the EVs on the market or planned exist.

[@RubenKelevra]

@@thelondonbroiler different league is not my term, Bjørn said that.

[@thelondonbroiler]

@@RubenKelevra No worries. It's true for now, and I hope it stays just as good.

[@merzto]

there is an option for the ID3 for a 150kW charger.

[@RubenKelevra]

@@merzto this is false. The ID.3 has either a 7.2 or 11 kW charger. You maybe mean CCS charging speed? But that's still false: It was announced that later models might have 125 kW, but at this time the maximum is 100 kW.

[@mattaut88]

Plaid > schnell 😅 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnPNoWxnr9ahpJo