VW ID.4 Compared to Tesla Model Y

[@FeatureRequest]

Their cult is not quite as strong had me dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@GarretL757]

The cult is strong with this one

[@davidandrews8007]

What about software and self driving. Better on Tesla?

[@damionkibler3493]

@@davidandrews8007 yep

[@dearbulls]

@@davidandrews8007 yes, and maybe. First, Tesla do not have real self driving neither. But it's driver assist, or so called full self driving, is probably the most matured based on the mass data it got from it's users. I tested the id4 yesterday, it failed to slow down at 2 red light where cars were stopped at the light, at least not early enough before I feel unsafe and slammed on the brake. Maybe it can handle 90% of the highway driving or following traffic driving, but in situations where Teslas hitting the parked emergency vehicles, I doubt VW could do better. However, the difference is not as big as many thought it would be, at least not $10k extra worth. Software for the center control then yes, VW lacks not only to tesla, but Hyundai also. Hyundai has the best software among all the traditional car makers IMHO

[@flying30west5]

You will never convince a Tesla owner anything is as good or better...LOL TESLA QUALITY SUCKS..

[@bradleyanderson4315]

The start stop button is strictly for passengers to keep AC and music when you run into the store. To start the car you only have to sit in the drivers seat and step on the brake.

[@thecoldquest]

In a Tesla passengers can just touch the screen and use the ac

[@北京爷们]

Bought ID4 pro last year. $7500 tax credit, $5000 NJ rebate, No sale tax(worth $2650). Three year free charging ( worth $4000 gas). The final price is $20850.

[@Veidi-mt8ho]

The Start/Stop button does not have to be pressed when entering. Just close the door and put your foot on the brake and the car is on. Try it out.

[@markplott4820]

DELETE what is NOT needed.

[@markplott4820]

DELETE what is NOT needed.

[@chestermartin2356]

Here's a Tesla cult follower right now

[@markplott4820]

@@chestermartin2356 - NOPE, the iD.4 FACTUALLY is Garbage , its built like a ICE car and Drives like a Dirty Taxi. VW needs to DUMP the MBA Platform and start Again. the current platform is too HEAVY, too SLOW and too INEFFICIENT.

[@chestermartin2356]

I just mean the delete what is not needed, it's an Elon quote

[@shingnosis]

We test drove both models and we weren't at all interested in performance, we just wanted a nice smooth riding quiet car. Ended up going with the ID.4. The ID.4 is just a nice place to be.

[@EVMANVSGAS]

Until it's time to charge it.

[@loitersquadX]

I got an id4 pro, ( i really want pro s) but the reason why isn't the speed , looks , or even the range, i bought this because its my first ever electric vehicle. And Volkswagen is a very very good company the dealership knows how to treat you, and 3 years FREE CHARGING. Also i went into a polestar, mach e, volvo, and finally the id4. The ambient lighting, the smooth drive, the comfy chairs and space, the overall experience in the id4 is what i love because again my first EV car. I want to love it

[@markplott4820]

iD.4 is SHIT, it DRIVES like a Taxi and handles worse than VW 1973 BUG.

[@dearbulls]

Good choice. Don't bother with the basement fly TSLA fanboy who won't afford a wheel of a TSLA. I've yet to see any real Tesla owner speaks TSLA like that

[@flying30west5]

The best comment so far....Its something about the cult of saying I own a Tesla.....LOL Really.....I agree with you, The ID4 is a better quality car and the VW name to boot....

[@s.m2895]

@@flying30west5 ~ *We will remember that*

[@Nessal83]

@@flying30west5 VW name to boot? LOL

[@dreidy]

I like the point how you have made the comparison. "Don't let the others tell you which car is better". Both are fantastic cars for different needs, styles and tastes. If you like to drive a taller car, maybe with kids with a very good driving confort or going weekends outside populated areas, then ID4 will probably be your best choice. If you like a sportier car, fast accelerations, better cornering performance, etc go for your model 3. Many things can affect your final deccision, even if you don't like the interior design, it could be a good reason for not buying a car, because you need to be happy driving your car, it's your money and your preferences over what the "experts" might think about your purchase. There are a lot of second-hand cars with less than a year, because this kind of occurrences. Ask for a test drive allways! 10 points Gjeebs.

[@tjadejumo7903]

This is the most balanced unbiased review of the two cars so far!👍

[@petercarr892]

This is the balanced review I have seen. All the rest ignore all the things that actually matter to normal people, like suspension, which is really important to a lot of people. And so many other factors that are important to families that never get mentioned. Well done!

[@PedroBrandaodrums]

I got the ID.4 Pro S spacious, quiet and a nice car and you still can get 7500 off plus 3 years unlimited charge that’s a no brainer for me. It’s not a performance car but me and my wife love it. Great video and I think this car gonna sell a lot

[@bassistdc]

The 7500 is based on your tax liability. If you only owe 500 in taxes you get 500. I owed nothing in taxes, therefore no 7500 for me.

[@anac2314]

I love my ID4.

[@donaldparry5157]

​​@@bassistdcorrect: total federal taxes owed in the purchase year (taxes withheld - refund or + tax due)!

[@frankls]

I priced a Tesla LR, blue with white interior on 20 inch wheels with a trailer hitch w/o destination charges at $61,900. The ID4 AWD, with the same equipment at $49,675. Throw in the $7500 tax rebate and the difference in price between the two cars is $19,825 which might make a difference in deciding on which one to purchase.

[@anthonyc8499]

100% true! Throw in the difference in sales taxes and it's actually over $20,000. It's mind-blowing that Gjeebs says they're the same price when they're absolutely not even close.

[@thomasklein4265]

@@anthonyc8499 and if you get an AWD Pro, and not the Pro S with Gradient package, the difference with sales tax could be as much as $24,000, that’s enough to get Solar on the house, a fast level 2 charger installed in the garage, and a couple of nice E bikes and a bike rack to go on the trailer hitch

[@davegenet]

I really like Teslas (don't have one but have driven a few), am impressed by their innovation and leadership, and would consider buying one (my next car will be an EV). All that being said I don't think the traditional automakers are DOA yet and they know how to make cars. In the end charging will be solved (and most of us will charge most of the time at home). I'm glad that there will be more choices and competition in EVs. I think EV levels the field. Electric motors are simpler than ICE motors so at some point that will even out for everyone and it'll boil down to the car.

[@ricinro]

@@dearbulls I charge my model Y at home. Never had to wait to charge and never hassle with gas pumps that also would not work with an power outage. My next home (currently designing) will power my home/vehicles, here in AZ, using solar. So for me energy will be free after the solar pays for itself in a few years. I understand that this is not an option for most folks in apartments (Yet) and grid solar and electrical energy storage will only reduce the price of grid electricity. In all due time...

[@acefr8816]

Exactly, a model Y standard range will be more comparable in price to ID4 AWD. However, it is no longer offered in the US, and Tesla keeps raising the price of the LR model. This ID4 AWD looks increasing more interesting. However, I still need to get over my impression that VW makes crappy ICE cars, and can I really trust they make good EV?

[@kathrynmcneill6983]

I test drove mine before put my order in. I am so excited to get mine, ordered a pro s. The tax credit, the 3 years of free charging and the absence of Elon were selling points to me. I'm a mom and it seemed the most comfortable for my kiddo too. Plus no dealer mark up's.

[@ricetea1]

ID4 has a freakin panoramic sunroof cover and CarPlay support. 👍

[@flying30west5]

Sold....Tesla is so proud they wont allow you use Apple car play... Here is another gripe. All Tesla come with heated back seats installed. To use them, you have to pay $200 to have them activated...

[@brushlessdrive9250]

What a great future, and the rest of the nazi car? Poor quality, poor software!

[@ashishnarain9643]

WIRELESS CarPlay at that!

[@mahwich]

@@brushlessdrive9250 AS opposed to the Cult leader from South Africa where his family made millions off the backs of oppressed Blacks!!

[@yoyoyipyap]

We so much in love with our 1st limited edition iD4. Tesla may have been making the EV technology longer but they have been making car a lot less time than any of these car companies and that is why I think Tesla is not a comfort car to drive. We do no care about the performance because we care more about the comfort and safty. And iD4 is a very comfortable EV to drive and sit in. Also to say that iD4 is for driving local or grocery shopping is so wrong. We drove iD4 from the Bay Area to LA and it was the best experience we had. Both of our teen sons enjoy sitting in it even in the back seat as it is mush more comfortable than Model 3 or Model Y (we did test drove them and one of the main reason beside not a comfortable/safe drive is the uncomfortable back seat. There are many Electrify America everywhere along the way which makes the experience of driving iD4 long distance awesome. And yes you havd to test drive as many EV as you can in order to compare them. And for us the 1st limited edition iD4 after $7,500 and some other state incentive we paid only $32,000 with 3 years free charging from Eletrify America and 280 range. We can't beat it. By the way, we do not push the button to start the car as you mentioned. We hop in and drive without pressing any button. :)

[@glambeekeeper]

Agreed that it’s the best turning radius ever! I’m loving my ID.4, thanks for the thoughtful review

[@coreyphelps6219]

Fair and honest review. I could watch your reviews all day. I also want to commend you on giving VW A fair chance since you are a Tesla owner. Most reviews I see like this are way too bias. Nice job!

[@Gjeebs]

Appreciate it!

[@flying30west5]

Tesla announced they will soon allow non Tesla EV to charge on their network. It’s now being testing in the Netherlands. It’s about time.

[@bpundit]

You didn't mention the massage seat. You can just put in D and go, no need to push the start button. Tesla Model Y is now starting at $57,000 where ID.4 AWD is at $51,000. Tesla canceled the incentive for free charging at Tesla network. ID.4 gives 3 years of free charging at Electrify America. Both of them are great cars. But they are completely two different styles. Tesla is like a sport car/futuristic car with tons of amenities. ID.4 is geared toward SUV/cross over and for those who wants to make a slow transition from gas to electric. According to VW, the direct competitors for ID.4 are Rav4, CRV, etc.

[@MiaNikable]

We've only had our ID.4 for 1,5 months but we are really satisfied! We'll see how it will be going in winter in -10, some wind, roof luggage rack and full luggage in the car ;)

[@trevormf]

I have a RWD ID.4 Pro S on order. It’ll be quite a bit slower than the Model Y, but that’s not something I care about. I test drove it and it was plenty quick enough for me. Also, the closest in price from Tesla would have been a Model 3 SR+ and I wanted an SUV so this is a good value for me, especially with that $7,500 tax credit. Now, if I didn’t mind spending more, then maybe I would have gone Tesla. Also, the VW dealerships each have a tester car that they can’t sell, but it’s almost impossible to go to a dealership and find an ID.4 that isn’t already sold, or reserved for someone. I had to order mine.

[@lucasokeefe7935]

Turo is your friend for any test drive needs. It may cost a couple hundred bucks for more expensive cars, but you get it all day to form an opinion instead of for half hour tops with the majority of that being a memorized speech about how amazing the vehicle is.

[@johncahill3644]

Something to remember is that the Tesla may well last twice as long as other cars...so is it really more expensive?

[@trevormf]

@@johncahill3644 and what are you basing that on?

[@Green.Current]

@@trevormf if i had to choose i would definitely go for The M3 SR+ but if you really need more space and don't want to spend more on an Y, i can understand your choice. Anyway, am EV is always better than an ICE car so congrats. Btw, what John was trying to say is that Tesla is the only IT / car manufacturer that improves it's products over the air with updates and less with fancy tech every year just to make profit like other companies. A 5 year old Tesla for instance, is almost the same as a new one so in my opinion that is a huge advantage. Cheers !

[@theredmonkey]

The ID.4 is to appeal to the Tiguan and Rav4 buyer and not really the Tesla buyer which explains the decisions they made. As of today you get 3 years of EA charging as well on the ID.4 so its a pretty appealing little vehicle. Great video.

[@seasnoboarder]

I have a 2019 Model 3, we wanted something a little bigger and Elon free, so we just got a new ID4 Pro S and are returning our Model 3 lease as soon as we can.

[@searcey]

I wish ID.4 had a frunk, regenerative breaking/1-pedal driving, and a better software/screen experience. Really enjoyed test driving it and I think it’s a great size for most families.

[@kimkberg]

The B mode on the selector was regenerative breaking and made 1 pedal driving possible when I test drove it at least.

[@Ewoodster]

With travel assist activates, it actually has zero pedal driving. It accelerates, brakes and steers all by itself

[@Brian-kn1qw]

Wow - great video! We have had the 1st Edition ID4 for about 3 months now and absolutely love it. This weekend we pick up our Model Y. The ID4 is the wife’s and is perfect for her. When we test drove the Y, I told her to floor it and she refused…. She has no interest in going fast. Both are great cars - $7500 federal tax rebate, 3 years of free electrify America charging and wireless CarPlay were huge in deciding to buy the VW. I hope I end up loving the Y also!

[@leanderkim]

I bet you will! I’ve been driving my model 3 for a couple months and I absolute love it. The constant updates is just really exciting as well. Be aware the the auto beam function is pretty bad though. I and many other Tesla owners find it turning itself off to late, resulting in blinding the oncoming cars. I’m sure Tesla will fix this through an OTA update though.

[@broark88]

I got an ID4 Pro S (AWD) primarily because of my long and favorable history with VW. It may not be the fastest, but I'm absolutely blown away by its acceleration.

[@spirosdallas82]

Greetings from Greece!!!🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷 Reviews, simple, honest and comprehensive! For car and non car guys!!! Excellent!

[@spirosdallas82]

Ohhh !!!! And just not forget funny 😂😂😂!!!

[@davidc-l9174]

Just FYI a comparable Model Y is $10k more, and that’s before the $7,500 Federal tax credit that the ID.4 is eligible for. That’s a huge amount of money. Love my Model Y, but the ID.4 is a very strong argument if you’re price sensitive even in the slightest.

[@philotimo5089]

Not anymore the ID4 AWD is now more then the Tesla Y

[@Call-me-James]

There is an obscure feature of the ID4 that it makes a big difference on long drives. The front seats can be lowered so that they are almost on the floor. This is how the seats are in Porsches, and when I used to drive a Porsche, I found that I could drive for 6 hours without getting tired.. Maybe it has something to do with the circulation of blood in my legs? I don't know but it feels good.

[@trentwilliams5836]

I lost it on the complimentary cigarette. Lost it.

[@AB-sy9tf]

In my experience, most VW dealers had one id.4 for a test drive. The Electrify America network is building out it's network pretty quickly. Depending on where you live, they can be pretty conveniently located.

[@markplott4820]

NOPE, EA only has 500 350 kw FAST chargers. TESLA has over 30,000 DC FAST Chargers , many are 250 kw , charge FASTER than EA. and TESLA can Build over 15,000+ Superchargers per year GLOBALLY . TESLA built a NEW Megapack & Supercharger FACTORY in California.

[@AB-sy9tf]

@Mark Plott give EA time.

[@markplott4820]

@@AB-sy9tf - VW has Cut their FUNDING of EA. and EA Does not Innovate. Tesla built a SUPERCHARGER R&D center in Palo Alto , to research 300 kw FAST charging and Beyond 500 kw.

[@AB-sy9tf]

@@markplott4820 😪

[@tety5775]

@@markplott4820 This is just wrong. Tesla has over 30000 single superchargers worldwide. You can't compare it like this. In Wikipedia is written that Tesla has 1101 (1201 number from ScrapeHero) charging Stations in North America (this includes Canada). Electrify America is only about stations in the USA. But numbers like stations don't really say anything about the number of single chargers. I don't know if you can charge more than one car at an EA charger given it has more than one cable (unlike tesla) but this could effect the number of cars loading at one station. And for the most Tesla models you will only get more than 150kW with an SOC under 35%. And I think all new EA charger will be capable of 350kW. But for most cars 150kW will be enough.

[@jamoss55]

I have a Model Y on order and scheduled to arrive in February. The Supercharging network was a big reason to go with Tesla. My other options were the Mach e and ID.4. Even if the charging network was better for non Tesla cars, I would have opted for the Tesla as this will be my first EV and I wanted something that was a proven commodity and in my opinion, easy to adjust to driving.

[@FeatureRequest]

I have a model y. It's the total package. It's SC network, performance, tech, efficiency and ease of use. The tech is probably what I like the most. AP is great and it keeps getting better.

[@timj9350]

I think I’d rather have the $7500 tax credit and free charging for three years that come with the ID4. 🤷🏽 That could be because I’m seeing Electrify America more and more as I travel.

[@ELCEV]

I also have the Model Y arriving in Feb. Dog Mode sold me. But the ID4 is a better build, built in electric sun shade, safety turn signal indicators, $7,500 tax credit and free charging for 3 years.

[@ricinro]

@@ELCEV dog mode is fantastic. Get one of those dog seat covers for the rear seat and travelling with the dogs is great! However, and this may be me not knowing how to use the controls, When I leave the car and my wife stays behind the AC goes off so she puts into dog mode for herself. My responsibility is to say nothing!!!

[@kevinn1158]

In Canada the prices aren't even close. AWD Model Y is 72k. The AWD ID4 loaded is 53k as it gets a 5k rebate. 19k difference. Free charging with the Id4 as well.

[@mowcowbell]

The Start/Stop button is there if the driver exits the vehicle, the passenger can press the start button for the climate system to continue operation.

[@PiperLund]

Thank you for looking outside your cult! 😀 You gave the ID4 a fair chance and gave it some good points. I understand that the Tesla is faster and all that, but do we really need it? And as you said, the ID4 is more comfortable. Here in Sweden the Tesla is about 16000 dollar more expensive at the starting price and about 10000 dollar more expensive with the extra equipment I would want on the ID4 and that includes towbar. You get quite alot of charging for 10000 dollar. My wife just got the ID4 with RWD and we love it, so there's always a fight over who gets to drive electric car.

[@thunderbolt4741]

Yes but that's the 2wd id4 compared to 4wd model y. The 4wd id4 is very closely the same price as the model 3 long range (4wd).

[@johnnywatches247]

$7500 credit helps consider the iD4. Families will appreciate that the iD4 is more comfortable overall and Dad will appreciate a nice watch, golf bags etc. the wife can build a nice shoe and handbag closet or a nice watch while driving the iD4. Tesla will give no more credits, but a great network of charge stations for your $7500, while driving a neck snapping stiffer ride that the family are sure to enjoy over and over again?! That acceleration and harder back seats might get the question asked, "Are we there yet?" Less, but sooner cause the family in the back has a sore bum sooner than the iD4 and dad won't mind cause he gave up the $7500USD Rolex to get a better network. Yup, I'm liking the VW in the long run. My wrist, ears and stress levels will all be in check. Just saying, overall some things get old quick and $7500 goes a long way these day on a credit card bill per month.

[@PiperLund]

@@thunderbolt4741 I was comparing prices in Sweden and it was with the Model 3.

[@Shahzadafamily]

The prices are definitely not cheaper. Model Y price increases every other month. In Canada it's more then 10k more expensive

[@markplott4820]

iD.4 wont last beyond 5000 km.

[@salibaray]

That Blue color is beautiful! I also love the: * Perforated / Ventilated seats - (which Tesla does not offer on all of it's cars even though they cost a lot) * Interior ambient lighting - (which Tesla lacks) * Interior trim - (which Tesla needs to improve on) * Rear center arm rest has a pull-down strap - (which Tesla lacks)

[@anthonyc8499]

It's a massive price difference between the AWD ID4 and Model Y LR! How Gjeebs could say they're the same price is just out of touch with reality. Between options like color, hitch receiver, wheel sizes, and taxes (sales + tax credit) it's something like $20,000 difference between the two cars. Plus VW gives you 3 years of unlimited free charging and Tesla has zero.

[@heathertully9233]

Yeah I came here to say this too, they are NOT the same price lol

[@iamnid]

Not factoring in the tax credit, they used to be the same price. I got my Model Y in February 2021 for $48,000 which is less than the sticker on the ID 4 he is testing.

[@anthonyc8499]

@@iamnid and I remember when Tesla sold a $35k Model 3 but that's not really relevant now.

[@jalexy12]

it's just BS to say its 20k cheaper. Tesla price is what it is, dealer prices are always WAY higher than what's advertised. I went to the ford dealership and they were trying to sell me some piece of shit 200 mile range mach-e for 10k over asking (starting at 49k). If you can prove to me you can ACTUALLY get the car for that price with receipts, I'll buy it, but otherwise he's correct.

[@anthonyc8499]

@@jalexy12 Dude, you're either being deliberately misleading or you're clueless as to how to buy a car in the 2020s. You configure the car you want online from the mfg and select whatever dealer you want, you see the price up front, and then you pay the order price when the car is delivered. It ain't that hard. Volvo, Ford, VW, etc all do it this way now. If you want a car today, it'll cost you more to skip the line and not wait.

[@WaveManMike]

Gjeebs you kind of remind me of Ryan Reynolds

[@nacari0]

dude this is so spot on lol.. ive been thinkin the same with his personality just that i didnt think of this actors name.. but makes sense!

[@joeimpellizeri3094]

I enjoy all your videos and humor. FYI, I have learned that when in "auto-pilot" the warning will go away simply by either changing the radio volume or speed. I like it better than jiggling the wheel. I don't know whether Tesla would like that fact out there, but it works...

[@Nessal83]

Tesla does the same thing.

[@dndrusso]

Love the comparison video. Don’t know if you know this but you can just adjust the right scroll wheel up or down when you get the prompt to let the car know you’re there in autopilot. I find that much easier than shaking the wheel.

[@dankollars4501]

long term i would prefer a softer quieter ride over massive power. i know its fun for a while but power looses its fun after time and i dont need any more tickets. as much as we would like, our roads are not race tracks.

[@Starfox-zg4tk]

I’m a Tesla fan but decided to go with VW Pro S. The build quality is so much better. Plus I still got the rebate, Tesla has used up all the rebates.

[@joelzizmor2497]

New tax bill soon to be passed allows new rebates starting January 1, 2022.

[@flying30west5]

This is first....Welcome

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

Kyle Connor drove all versions of this car and road tripped it did great no big problems

[@msurff1]

Was very close to getting the ID4… but went to test drive Tesla Model Y… ended up getting MYLR & MYP! Still, the ID4 is a pretty car! When my wife and I test drove ID4, the mirror couldn’t be adjusted. Anyway, you make engaging videos. Kudos!

[@scottjentsch]

Great overview! You're unapologetic in your perspective as a Tesla owner, and that's valuable to us viewers that are looking for that perspective. Thank you for pointing out the piano black issues. Here's hoping that trend will go away very soon! Many people harp on the VW and the Sandy Munro videos, but given how many Tesla-familiar reviewers are glowing about the ID.4, it's hard to dismiss the product altogether. The ID.4 is not intended to be an enthusiast's vehicle for carving up canyon roads, but it seems quite suitable for the mainstream needs of the general public. The fact that it's ~$20k cheaper than a Model Y has to come into play in many people's minds (who are not part of the faithful). I'll have to take another look and a test drive Something that stood out is that you dinged the Mustang Mach-E for "copying" Tesla with the display screen, but then complimented the VW for doing other things similar to Tesla. Yes, Tesla did the humongous display screen first, but the size of a screen is just a characteristic, not a signature design trademark. The 2020 Ford Explorer had a 10.1" vertical touchscreen, which was quite startling to people unfamiliar with Teslas. The Mach-E's 15.5" touchscreen super-sized that approach, while keeping the vertical orientation and choosing to offer the traditional instrument display placement behind the steering wheel. Had they switched to a landscape screen and ditched the instrument display, I think you'd have a more salient point. I know there's only so much content to stuff into a video, but a comparison of the safety features of the two vehicles would have been great to see. Blind-spot monitoring, front/rear cross-traffic alerts/aides when pulling out of parking spaces, and front/rear/overhead camera views are a few things I'm thinking of. Some final notes -- You may know these, but your viewers may not: Non-Tesla vehicles (including the VW ID.4) are not constrained to just the Electrify America network, as any station offering a CCS connection can be used (ChargePoint, EVGo, and multitudes of other companies). When buying an ID.4 is the 3 years of unlimited charging included at EA stations, which is a pretty good value for those that have EA stations where they need them. Ford did offer test-drive-only Mustang Mach-E models this summer for extended test drives. I was fortunate enough to have an overnight experience, but previous to that, Ford dealers were offering multiple-day test drives to interested people. I agree with you that dealerships/manufacturers need to get people in these vehicles to show them off to as many people as possible to build awareness and demand beyond the low-hanging fruit of those that are inherently interested in EVs. The ID.4 has the potential to be the CRV of near future, where people buy them because they are (can be relatively) economical, they are useful, and they are a good value for everyday purposes. Are they the pinnacle of design and performance? The Accord, Camry, and CRV/RAV4 have proven that cars don't need to be either of those things to be very successful products.

[@Chrisb8s]

I agree, it is unfair to compare the ID4 to a Tesla Model Y, it should be compared to mini vans or other ICE cars. I know that the Y is much more expensive, but then again, it has much better performance, feels sporty and has a longer range. These 2 cars are in the same league. I can see the ID4 being very popular. Most people could care less about performance, they just want a car than can haul a lot of stuff.. and this is that car.

[@mondotv4216]

@@Chrisb8s But the price for the long range is the same as the ID4 he drove? Sure, in the US you still get the tax rebate, but I thought it was a fair comparison. ID4 for the school run, Tesla for those who like an aggressive ride. No one ever bought a 911 for the comfortable ride. Tesla get's criticised a lot for it's minimalistic interior, but overall I reckon it's a cut above the ID4 but not as good as say the Polestar 2. If you compare the ID4 interior to a Golf it's nowhere near as nice. And I'm not sure what's with the 1950's leather patches on the elbows - it's as bad as the woodgrain on the Chinese made Model 3. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[@Kermit26297]

Did you hack my browser history? I’ve been comparing these two cars all week (along with the Kia Niro EV). Great timing and very balanced review. With the recent Model Y price hikes the ID 4 is looking like a very good choice. Happy early birthday!

[@Wittstock99]

Father has a ID4, loves it and it is a VERY nice car.

[@dearbulls]

Niro is a lot smaller and charges slower. But it is a good small fwd ute for sure. My friend has a hybrid Niro and I have drove it.

[@petercarr892]

Very good review. But lets be honest about the price. The cheapest variant of the Tesla is more expensive than the most expensive variant of the VW. And for cost conscious customers, they could get into the VW for a little over half the cost of the Tesla. So generally in car reviews that would be pretty clearly stated, so Its probably worth noting it here.

[@juancarlosrosalesmeza6755]

Also, the ID.4 qualifies for the federal tax credit which Tesla’s cars don’t qualify anymore. On top of that, the ID.4 comes with three years free charging at Electrify America. The ID.4 is a win win. I’m going to the dealership next week because I really want it!

[@lilevon559]

I would like to say ID 4 is much more affordable. With tax credit and state credit, my pro s costed me 41k after tax. For battery,I drive over 50 miles a day, so the only concern on battery is how to charge it more efficiently. It only comes with a level 1 charger, so I am looking for a level 2 charger now. It also more comfort on driving the ID 4 compares to Tesla because its suspension and tires work better. If you sit in the backseat on a tesla, you know how worse it is. Respect each EV onwner's opinion. No matter which EV cars you select, you reduce pollution to this beautiful world. Thanks!

[@dearbulls]

1. Tesla has easier charging network and better location, but you have to pay. ID4 comes with 3 years free charge from EA. So removing charging from the equation doesn't do any good to the VW. 2. ID4 AWD has 8.8 inches ground clearance which is a proper SUV clearance. Model Y long range got just over 6 inches. It's not a "small difference". 3. That start button on ID4 is just for passenger, you don't need to use it. Simply press the brake and you are ready to go. 4. You mentioned the sunroof but I was shocked you didn't discover it has a sunshade. 5. I have to disagree with your claim of "similar build quality". Based on my test drive, VW feels way better in built quality. The brand new model y I tested already has 2 interior parts broken. But I totally agree, you need to test drive yourself. That crazy acceleration on Tesla is nice in the beginning, but I'd rather have a better built vehicle that is comfortable for my family to do road trip other than impress some random friends.

[@Vivra_Verra____]

The VW has nice ambient lightening and massage seats along with some cool headlights and taillights but the Tesla does have a better charging network. It's a hard choice for sure

[@Jekyll_Island_Creatures]

The real comparison is the ID.4 vs. Fisker Ocean since they're both going after the SUV market and in the sameprice range.

[@dearbulls]

Turning radius on this AWD is actually bigger at 36' comparing to the RWD ID4 that has 33'. You'll be even more impressed by the RWD ID4 s turn radius. Although both are way smaller than the Tesla.

[@Carfan678]

I love the shade for sunroof, I love that it has CarPlay and I actually like the “old school” start button to confirm I’m actually turning the car on LOL cause electric cars make no noise

[@bradleyanderson4315]

The start button is only too passengers can turn on AC and radio when no one is in the drivers seat.

[@wickednicker9744]

Gjeebs, I love your channel! I’m also in AZ. I also ordered the model Y with a delivery of February or March. Thank you for this comparison I feel like I made the right choice with model Y.

[@mattys8525]

Kudos to VW for comfortable suspension, compared to the model Y! The exhaust note on start in this video made me laugh out loud….

[@markplott4820]

iD.4 drives like a TAXI , and TESLA model Y handles BETTER than a BMW M-Series.

[@luso57]

@@markplott4820 well, I was undesired between Model Y and a ID.4 and your comments helped me to buy the ID.4. Thanks

[@bluyddvil]

He was at a small airport - the exhaust note sounded more like an airplane than a car, fwiw.

[@benkreitner3360]

I am a bit confused by his comment on the suspension. I have had an ID.4 since June and I can feel every bump in the road.

[@mattys8525]

@@benkreitner3360 Ben, you just need to drive a Model Y then. It’ll probably give you a new-found appreciation for the suspension in your ID4.

[@kentgabriel3572]

I'm sure there's plenty of comments saying you don't have to press the start/stop button.....but the reason it's there is so that when the driver gets out ( say to go in to a store or something) and hops out with the key fob on their person....but you have a passenger and you'd like to keep the climate on...passenger only has to reach over and press the button on the side of steering column and then climate and other accessories become available with out the key fob in the car.

[@thomasklein4265]

A duel motor model Y is $57,800, and no rebate is available, a AWD ID4 Pro is $44,009 before rebate, and $36,509 after rebate, so $21,000 less expensive, hardly a fair comparison

[@collinsfriddle650]

This is exactly what I have been saying with all the Tesla comparisons. The Tesla is for a different kind of buyer.

[@jalexy12]

and as with literally every car right now, the numbers for any car that isn't a Tesla are just fairy tale fantasies. You're going to pay AT LEAST 10k over asking on any non tesla vehicle in its current state. If you can provably get a ID.4 for that 44k price tag -- be my guest -- but you aren't.

[@thomasklein4265]

@@jalexy12 I already negotiated my price before ordering, anyone who doesn’t do that is a fool, get in writing the price of the car before putting down a deposit, the people paying $5k and $10k over sticker are buying dealer stock vehicles and paying dearly for the convenience of not waiting.

[@charleswright2217]

We’ve had our Model 3 for 2 months now and we love it. Almost have to fight my wife to get to drive it. 😆

[@brianjamescalder]

Thanks for review. Funny as always. I think u got it right that the Y is about performance and the ID4 is about comfort . . . . It’s okay to be different. These cars are brothers not enemies. One likes to race in the canyons and the other likes slow walks on the beach and that’s okay.

[@dearbulls]

Agreed. Model Y is a puffed sports sedan dressed as SUV. And id4 is more like a proper SUV that can go off road.

[@MrMartinSJ]

Great review, I actually bought the ID.4, and did not take the Tesla due to the build quality issues I could see here on KZbin, and from the some DK reviews. I heard they should be much better now, but I got scared ;-), I live in Denmark, and rarely have to charge away from home, and I’m ok with the performance. In DK there is much more cool features on the ID.4 than the US model, being Augmentedreality, HUD, message seats and Matrix LED lights etc.. By the way, the Start button is only used if passengers needs to start the car, otherwise it start when you sit and hit the brake pedal.

[@markplott4820]

VW iD. has shit enginering, see SANDY MUNRO Review of iD.4/Teardown. its GARBAGE.

[@MrMartinSJ]

@@markplott4820 thx. Mark, just watched the video, and he is praising the VW motor, and most of the things are much better than Tesla, much more modern :-) Tesla is using oil, oil filter, pump to cool the motor, VW solution is brilliant, and the engine is much more modern :-) Thanks again for the tip, now I know that I made the right decision.

[@markplott4820]

@@MrMartinSJ VW has a 9 year plan for Innovation. TESLA , has a 9 HOUR plan for Innovation. TESLA makes 100 line Changes to the car DAILY , and 1000 Changes in a MONTH . TESLA has Automatic TESTING and Validation of NEW Parts & Componnents. VW is using OUTDATED stuff to build the iD.4 . TESLA is Already using ADVANCED Hairpin PM motor in Model 3 PERFORMANCE Drivetrain and MORE , Changes to Model 3 & Y, such as MATRIX Lights in PERFORMANCE model Y.

[@MrMartinSJ]

@@markplott4820 I’m glad that you like Tesla, and that is understandable, but for your own good don’t get tunnel vision ;-) and do not believe all you hear, even if it tells the story that you really want to hear/believe. Keep to fact, but it can be difficult after the years with Trump… Big isn’t always better, and sometimes more is less ;-)

[@markplott4820]

@@MrMartinSJ - I get my info from MULTIPLE Sources and usually they Agree with one Another. TESLA Simply has the BEST NVH, fewest DEFECTS and Repair issues. TESLA is the SAFEST 4 Cars , PERIOD . and TESLA has WORLD CLASS Engineering.

[@HomesteadEngineering]

Just found your channel. I have to admit it took me till the 3rd mention of the charging network to realize how funny you are. Nice job! :)

[@Gjeebs]

Sometimes it takes 3!

[@demetrrius3000]

I typed in ID4 looking for Independence Day clips but got 1000 videos of this car model lol and now I can’t stop watching them 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@chopsueykungfu]

I’ve had my ID.4 for 14 weeks, over 13,000 miles - and not once have I ever had to hit the ON/OFF power button. I think it is there for passengers to listen to the radio after you have left the vehicle. Today, a Model Y is $60k. FYI: the RWD turning radius is better than the AWD version.

[@markplott4820]

iD.4 Drivetrain wont last beyond 100,000 miles.

[@flying30west5]

Tesla needs to sell to the masses. VW has a global strategy and Tesla better wake up. But for now my hard earned $ will go for quality not 0-60 in 3 seconds.

[@MrOktsx]

The ID4 AWD is an interesting alternative to the MY. it addresses some of my reservations with the MY: No sunroof shade, frameless doors (hate the windows operating everytime door is opened) and no instrument cluster.

[@daanmeere]

Gjeebs 5:33. The B-mode of the automatic transmission is the mode in which your electric car automatically uses the braking path to recover some of the kinetic energy to partially reload the battery pack. As soon as you release the throttle it will engage the brakes to do so. Makes sense? 🙂

[@azspotfree]

The drug bag was very thoughtful of VW. They know American drivers well

[@davidbopi]

In my country the ID.4 GTX costs €51k with red paint job and 21'' wheels. The model Y long range costs €71k.

[@Abebe345]

Wait for Berlin to open

[@kentgabriel3572]

I'll also say that it's EV's like this ID.4 that will appeal to people just coming out of gas vehicle....drives very similar to a Tiguan, Rav4, Crv, etc....nothing to scare them off. I test drove a first edition (rear wheel drive), you should've seen the turning radius on that one... with no front motor it was hilarious how much the front wheels turned. I get that you have a Tesla and youre a performance car guy but you did a pretty great job at comparing/reviewing this ID.4. I don't care as much at the "performance" aspects of cars but love cars in general. I'm a Volvo guy personally, and I thought this drove great for me. I also drove a Model y LR with the 20's ...I loved it too but as everyone's aware, it's ride is too stiff.

[@flying30west5]

If Tesla would fix the ride, build quality, and price, they would sell out. I dont care about auto pilot, 0-60 in 2 seconds...Just sell me a car that will last me for 250,000 miles at a good price.

[@c9brown]

In Canada the ID.4 AWD is $49K and the Model Y is $77K so unfortunately they aren't really in the same league.

[@MrDman973]

I really like your honesty I came here thinking you were going to bash the id4 like everyone else. I’m Smashing the like I have the id4 2023 AwD pro S it gets the job done.

[@Gjeebs]

Glad you liked it! Yea I don't care what people buy just trying to help the buying process

[@MrDman973]

@@Gjeebs definitely is it possible you can make a video about the battery length I have a friend who own a tesla and he’s charging every four days. I just got the home charger. I have the long range 82 kw battery but I have been recharging my car everyday since I got it . I’m not the biggest fan of the charging😖 I miss my Gas car lol. The car drives amazing but going out my way to charge has become a daily job. Hopefully this home charger change my mind.

[@bigoldjim4696]

Range and charging speed is the most important part of any review. I'll give you five potatoes if you keep it in the rest of them.

[@EVMANVSGAS]

It's comfortable, but if range matters, charging, performance, price, or software buy a Model Y. I know a guy who bought the ID4. He actually drove it for 40k and now he traded it in for a hybrid. He says electric is not ready for prime time. Not if you buy an ID4. He should have bought a Tesla and he would still have it.

[@irfanhusein1445]

It’s good to see some nice EV’s entering the market. I have a 2021 Tesla M3 and a 2021 Mach E, so I’m not going to be in the market for a new EV for another 5 years. I’m hoping competition drives EV prices down with time.

[@asheeeesh27]

Prices will probably go down. A lot of companies are now aiming for affordable EV cars like Lucid and Tesla. You should definitely invest in some EV stocks too as they are going high.

[@irfanhusein1445]

@@asheeeesh27 i sold all my Tesla stock in February 2021. I thought legacy manufacturers were a decade behind Tesla, but one test drive in the Ford Mach E showed how fast Ford has caught up, and that meant others would as well. I still think Tesla is a great company however I could not justify the stock price. I had a great ride with Tesla stock and it contributed to my early retirement.

[@E_Static]

Same here. I have both the 3 and a Mach E. Both are great vehicles and don't believe the gap between Tesla and the competition is nearly as wide as some contend. And with the recent price increases Tesla has made it's difficult to not look at the competition, especially those who qualify for the $7500 rebate.

[@superset5]

VW also has blind spot monitoring which tesla doesn't have

[@Vintage_Dave_T]

From seeing a few ID4 videos seems like main issue is software, which you wouldn’t necessarily see from a quick test drive, and the charging network (which you said you weren’t covering).

[@petercarr892]

One thing I have seen mentioned in a lot of videos is ID4 is finally able to regularly update its software. So even if the software is not prefect today, once they get feedback from customers, they will quickly provide updates to fix those issues. Its like windows versus apple, each one will be always bringing new updates to compete with the other :-)

[@JimArnold6]

Bumped into an ID.4 owner the other day. He was a knowledgeable EV person (knew of Sandy Munro). He liked the ID.4 as it was an easy transition from a gas car. Otherwise he and he wife were true EV converts.

[@jorgecintron9674]

Great review! It’s a great looking vehicle and I’m all for more EV’s. The more choices the better. We need all other automakers to get on board or go away.

[@markplott4820]

THE OBVIOUS Choice is only TESLA, all others from Startups to LEGACY are all CRAP. see Sandy Munro RANT.

[@georgejohnson6180]

Nice review, Ben. Just got my Y last weekend. Same spec as yours with the Gemini wheels. Has a rattle I believe is coming from the front passenger seat. It stops when I hold onto the seat. The console drawer cover wouldn’t stay open on delivery. Scheduled service for that and they guy showed up right when he said he would and had it fixed in 15 min. Only 1 other fit issue with the driver’s sides A pillar gap not lined up exactly like the passenger side, but love the car anyway. I’ll schedule service for the seat. The rattle is gonna get on my nerves. Happy Sunday!

[@gordon4385]

I think I have the only Model Y with no squeaks, rattles, or bad panel gaps. The only bad news is that I have to give it back 18 months from now!

[@Miata822]

The Tesla cult and its leader is a large part of why I don't have a Tesla, though once a fan and investor. Today I learned that Tesla fans don't know how to turn on an ID.4 (sit in seat, press brake pedal), and don't know who Herbert Diess is (VW CEO). None of that is surprising. Tesla people are in their own little world. Good for them.

[@Gjeebs]

Hey Bill find something in real life to fill your void instead of leaving shit KZbin comments.

[@ColinFox]

A couple of comments on the ID4: 1. The window controls on the driver door - they only have Left/Right. You have to click a button to switch from front to rear. That's annoying. 2. The steering wheel has tilt/telescoping, but it's manual. Tesla has motorized mirrors & steering, which are also stored into your driver profile. So if you have a short wife, for example, and you both share the car, it's nice to be able to pick your name from a pull-down list of drivers and have the seat, mirrors & steering column adjust to how you like it. 3. You never showed us the infotainment system, specifically the navigation & traffic maps. Tesla has the best voice nav in the business. "Navigate to starbucks". "Navigate to vape shop" "Navigate to the corner of main and kingsway". All work perfectly first time. In a Kia, you have to subscribe for traffic maps and voice nav. I don't know about VW. And how fast is the map scrolling? What's the trip planner like? Tesla's will schedule supercharging stops if you plan a trip longer than what you have energy for. Does the VW? If the cars are similar in cost, they should be directly comparable, but Tesla has superior tech, range, power, efficiency, and charging network. Also Tesla has OTA updates, and has done so for 10 years. No one else does yet! They all promise it, but no one actually does it yet. I am a Tesla owner, bought my Model S back in 2013. I'm a fan, obviously, but I don't want Tesla to be the only name out there. But why are other companies dropping the ball so hard? If you're not going to have the features that Tesla has, then make it cheaper. If you're going to make it the same price, then strive for feature parity. VW has been making cars for 100 years or so, Tesla has only been doing it for about 10 years. WHy are they so much better at it?

[@nicktacular06]

Love from Slovenia 🇸🇮!!¡!¡

[@ironmic229]

Lol on the cigarette joke, you stated it like you were serious

[@NoWay23548]

Blue and brown isn’t a match made in heaven…

[@mowcowbell]

VW does offer a light grey option for those hideous brown interior sections. It would be a perfect match with the blue exterior.

[@mrsmett5512]

I had some problems with my ID4 1st Eddition during extremely cold days.

[@jg1000c]

The cigarette joke was spot on. 👌

[@tc1uscg65]

That black not only will look dirty faster, but it will also show scratches like crazy.

[@prestonzucker3242]

I have a model Y and am returning it under the state lemon law. I do a lot of interstate driving and the Tesla will suddenly brake without warning when on cruise control. All Tesla models have this dangerous defect and Tesla is unable to fix it. The dealer has cancelled 5 visits "to research the problem further." If you use cruise control, do NOT buy a Tesla

[@Gjeebs]

I would sell it privately. You will make more money.

[@MrAndrew941]

With the ID4 you don't need to use the start stop button at all just put your foot on the break

[@rockstdy54]

Happy Sunday from a Faithful Elon Musk Cult Member Ben…. Fair and balanced review peppered with your humor…. My Sunday is complete!

[@landondonnelly5101]

Differences: Tesla software does not support Apple/Android CarPlay. Motorized Sun-shade for panoramic window for ID.4 vs none for Tesla. Tesla: Superior range, speed stats, better software and self driving ability. Heat pump. VW: Superior comfort, Cheaper, superior quality control. More clearance (can actually be taken off-road). Heat pump was a crappy afterthought and has been scrapped.

[@jasonshortphd]

Model Y is currently $69k, ID.4 is $51k. Thats not the "same price". Super charger network is a huge advantage to Tesla for sure, but Electrify America is up and coming, I have road tripped my ID.4 and not had a problem finding DC fast charging (sometimes on other networks than EA). Start button is not needed at all. Get in, press brake, shift and go. The start button is only when you don't have someone in the seat and want the AC running. Another HUGE difference is Apple Car play! I don't like most of the built in apps on Tesla. I want to use my ABRP, and my own podcast player on the screen.

[@Gjeebs]

At the time of this video they were

[@TheCardGuys]

Damn, the US gets a huge Tesla benefit. The ID4 is way cheaper in Canada, $20K cheaper than the Model Y LR (before any government benefits). With the price difference in Canada, it makes the ID4 a much more acceptable electric vehicle option versus the Model Y.

[@mistymu8154]

Here in the UK we also have the ID.3 - which is about the same size as a Golf. I got to test drive it for about 15 mins with no one out with me. Sure, it is not as exciting as the Tesla, but the ID.3 is one of the best EV's on the market right now. Elon Musk has said they will open up the supercharger network to all cars by the end of this year, although I will take that with a grain of salt coming from Elon. However, like you said, most people only do long road trips once or twice a year - most people are just using the car for commuting to work and going to buy groceries, so home charging is more likely.

[@jasonstiegelmeyer8835]

Ben is a very charasmatic and funny guy. You should be in show business. Very informative covering all of the bases here. Great job buddy. I just reserved mine today. The driveshaft on my "92 Bronco fell off on the 101 recently, got that fixed, and now it won't smog because the one computer chip it has behind the dash cluster went out. Really? That can happen? C'mon, haven't I repaired you EVERY TIME YOU BREAK DOWN? Always something major. Every time. Anyhoo, that is what it really took for me to decide and grow up, at 48 mind you, and buy a new car. Besides, the Hornet is getting the bodywork done. I'll probably have to sell both to afford my half of this new amazing VW. Anybody interested in a Bronco? Enough about me. You broke it all down like a champ Ben. My father's birthday is on Oct. 28th. Weird. Must be a sign.

[@bugnut82]

At least you got your money's worth out of that Bronco! What did you end up buying?

[@darrenorange2982]

You just have press the brake pedal to turn the car on when you are in tbe car you don't have to press the button.

[@ldmcnutt]

When you talk about how the ID.4 suspension is more comfortable and more compliant, the first question that comes to mind, is how do they compare as awd SUV’s off-road? The Tesla has 6.6 inches of ground clearance compared to 8.3 inches on the ID.4. It seems like the higher ground clearance and increased suspension compliance would be a better fit for an suv, where the model Y is more like an awd BMW 3 series that is an on-road car with awd for when you run into ice or snow.

[@keithd.rundle4783]

Good job reviewing these cars bro!

[@Stom-Troop]

Problem with ID4 is charging speed which makes it unfit for travelling. Otherwise I would love the car.

[@HydraliskX]

The ID.4 AWD can be up to 15k+ cheaper than the Model Y when you factor in federal tax credit...

[@johnklin9383]

Thanks for the honest and straight forward review.

[@mrrobertwolfiii1079]

Make battery drop from underneath so when runs out the inter change will be easier

[@onemanc1an]

So. Many. Errors. I don’t have time to list them all but here’s one. Two cars that have the same power kilowatt batteries that have different ranges might be due to different things other than battery efficiency. Perhaps aerodynamics?

[@Chrisb8s]

Seems like a nice car. I wonder what the wait to get one is? The Y is next may at the earliest for the long range.

[@dearbulls]

The rwd could be before the year end, or you could even find a few at dealership if you are lucky. They just start delivering the AWD Pro S this October. Don't know how long it would wait if you order now. My friend just got his, but he ordered his last year. I'm still waiting on my AWD Pro (lower trim). VW said the expected delivery time is around February because they won't start making the cheaper ones until probably December. All ID4 right now are made and imported from Germany. We might have shorter wait if the Tennessee factory start producing them next year.

[@infinitigjj6779]

I have both and I enjoy both.