VW ID3 1st acceleration and noise test

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[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

I drive past the VW dealer nearby quite often. Almost every day i see new ID.3s ready for delivery. Good stuff. Base model is good enough for me. I drivev an e-Golf now, so it will be better anyway

[@whip-8]

It won't be better software-wise for now :) It can be worse, i have both, i miss some features the e-golf has

[@danielflorian3458]

@@whip-8 what are the features you liked better at the egolf?

[@user-in1gn6fw2eab]

Your uploading content like a factory. Wow. Keep it up.

[@charlesfisher5805]

Quite like the look of the base model and good performance.

[@shifty277]

Thanks for the effort put into testing. Comment and a thumbs up just to support the channel.

[@kittyvandeput8326]

Wow these reviews from different id3 are .there a lot of ninja measurements what I can use in my own id3..thank you Björn from🇱🇺🇱🇺🇱🇺

[@HollywoodTv2013]

Da’s de vlag van Luxemburg...

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

@@HollywoodTv2013 ah joh, das ook n beetje nederland toch 😉

[@HollywoodTv2013]

Thanas Stefanis V - Dat wel natuurlijk, haha.

[@Ythle]

Keep the good reviews coming Björn!

[@thomaseriksson3182]

Very good to put all together at once!👍 Clever😎 "bad aassfalth" is funny🤣 thanks for this one.

[@coolaa]

Thank you for the test it’s going to be interesting to see how the ID3 performs in winter regarding to charging speed, driving and range.

[@SpectrumGeeks]

Great video as usual Bjorn. When I tested the ID.3 at the weekend I found the throttle response to be better when in D vs B modes.

[@bjornnyland]

Can you show me Dragy results then?

[@SpectrumGeeks]

@@bjornnyland Nothing beautifully official like you sadly. I only had the ID.3 for an hour and it was pissing it down with rain. However, my unofficial measurement was 7.3 seconds 0 - 60 MPH in the rain. Was just sharing so you can see if its any better in D for you, if you get chance again. Thanks for creating great videos.

[@bjornnyland]

But what if I test and I get exctly the same results in B and D?

[@SpectrumGeeks]

@@bjornnyland Then my feeling of throttle response difference was completely wrong and I wish I never posted the original comment of what I felt :) This was no criticism of the video (and you were consistent as all in B mode), was just sharing personal observation. However, in my own drive I didn't do a D and B test as it was raining and flooded here in the short time I had the car in the UK.

[@bjornnyland]

It's just that lots of people claim D mode is better than B mode but no one can back it up with solid proof.

[@yggdrasil9039]

Wow it really jumps off the line! Sub 7 seconds to 100km/hr is damn good.

[@PeterLaggan]

Hi Bjorn, What would be really useful would be a spreadsheet showing efficiency against price. This would allow viewers to rate EVs based on how much value for money each vehicle provides. For instance, in the noise test in this video the best performer is Tesla Model X and one of the worst is the MG ZS EV. However the difference in cabin noise is less than 3% whereas the difference in price is over 300%. This means that every 1% gain in noise efficiency costs approximately 30,000 Euros when comparing a cheap EV against an expensive one. As I say, it would be interesting to do this for the other tests you do to show how much 'bang for your buck' you get in terms of range, speed, charging, etc. I suspect, from the tests you have done so far, that the ID3 or Ioniq will prove to be the best value overall.

[@Team_8x]

Good video! Regarding instruments, you should start to messure suspension with some short if vibration messure tool. Would be an interesting test for all your car test and have the same test strech of course =) .

[@nakfan]

Great idea.

[@mrlintonious]

Can't believe in this new day and age of Electric Vehicles, that VW decides not to add the Back-up Camera as standard in all their models of the ID3.

[@kasmopaya2676]

If you ask me, the plan was to beat the price of the Model 3, at all costs. Misson success.

[@matthias4]

I don't want or need a rear view camera, don't have one in our Golf IV, don't need that luxury in my future ID3.

[@andorsn]

Different markets have different needs

[@Karjis]

Andreas Fleig not adding back-up camera is just being cheap. Even if not needed it is not expensive equipment for the factory as most of the stuff is in the car anyway.

[@zimzimzim8722]

This is the most ordered EV in Finland at the moment, leaving all other competitors behind

[@marslings]

I have the same thought. The leaf feels faster. I think it is in the middle accelerations. From 80-120 on the autobahn there is a different kind of pull in the leaf.

[@L1GHT119]

Not too shabby. I think 6 second range is fine because the instant torque is useful all around . Larger battery and other higher performance versions likely soon

[@CaroAbebe]

Those tests are almost scientific in nature 😉

[@svengrundmann7515]

Not almost. This is science. This is how it works.

[@CaroAbebe]

Sven Grundmann Well no, because the conditions would have to be exactly the same every single time, and out in the real world you can’t guarantee that.

[@tomsixsix]

@@CaroAbebe No, not exactly the same, as that is impossible even in closely controlled environments. They just have to be minimal in nature or accounted for in the test from prior knowledge/study.

[@ryen7512]

i once heard, the only difference between just screwing around and science is writing down the results.

[@Yaishen]

Bjørn, can you do also 80-120km/h acceleration ?

[@ricardoaguiar8841]

Actually more important than 0-100

[@Soordhin]

Well, the Max has not only the panorama roof, but also the head up display which is huge. According to VW it is so big that they will never be able to put it into a fossil. And that will add some weight as well. I believe in Norway all variants have the heat pump, over here in germany it is only in the MAX variant and could add a tiny amount of weight, but i am not sure about that.

[@bjornnyland]

Heat pump is standard in Norway on all models.

[@gustafkarlsson935]

In which mode is the acceleration test done? There is a difference between "normal" and sport mode.

[@GowthamV07]

Awesome videos. ID4 test drive anytime soon Bjorn?

[@RichardSingleton0318]

The only people moving faster than Bjørn are the builders at the Gigafactories!!! Well, on second thought, they may even be moving slower!!! #LikeANinja

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

Odd one on the noise because it does sound quieter. But maybe it's the quality of the sound. Same loudness but the sounds are not so harsh?

[@EEAMD-co6nw]

what you are getting at is high dB in low or high frequency I guess. Low frequency would be more gentle I would believe

[@glenf4115]

I noticed the same. The Max sounded quieter due to sound-deadening materials but the 18's on the base model beat it. Curious what results would be on the Max with the 18's.

[@remco6816]

Yea db probably dont say anything about how comfortable the noise is!!

[@davidtecnoreds607]

How do you measure noise level? Device? Same road? I did it in several EV and ice cars to compare and for example an i3 is about 55-57 in Spain in summer at 90 km/h

[@ip59230]

I think maybe the max has a bigger battery therefore extra weight, also I believe it can only carry 4 people. Great car, wife getting one next year Ireland. Great show.

[@bjornnyland]

No, all these cars have the same 62 kWh battery.

[@mausje1612]

Nice Bjorn

[@ivand911]

Some of ID.3 also come with Goodyear. Maybe they didn't have enough Bridgestone and used Continental and Goodyear.

[@nakfan]

Bjørn:"Why do they (fossils) have to make so much noise"? Me: It's a feature 😉

[@zonon27]

I `ve done an ID.3 test drive, and the acceleration is perfect for 204hp from every speed up to 100km/h ex: 20-50; 50-80; 80-100; but as soon it gets to 100km/h to 110-120-130km/h it accelerate very very slow; I think it has to do with software limitations; have you experience something like this Bjon? because of this i think I will not consider it.

[@silentjohn80]

Do you know if any of the cars you tested had some form of rust protection (Tectyl, Dinitrol or something similar)? I'm asking because this might lower the noise level somewhat.

[@andrew7455]

Hi, Bjorn! Are you going to test MG5 SW EV? It's very interesting new car from MG, as for me.

[@oskarthor5707]

I am in the progress of ordering a ID3, they advert a package with better sound system and also thermal and noise isolating glass in the windows. Any idea how much better those windows are with dealing with road noise or is it just a gimmic ?

[@airamrs5329]

It is tje basic 1st (not the plus or max) and still has ambient lights??? I read the basic had no ambient lights.. it's a positive surprise that it has it!!

[@belthagor03]

Google shiiieeeeett cracked me up

[@kehletten]

Remember NOT to use “auto hold” when testing the launches. It takes slightly time for the system to release the brakes instead of you just standing still ....

[@bjornnyland]

Have you tested the difference?

[@tuktam7502]

Does it matter when the brakes are released? Draggy should start measuring after the car starts moving - it has no connection to the accelerator pedal.

[@kehletten]

Bjørn Nyland I saw your college KZbinr “Batterylife” doing the same test on the same car. But no I haven’t measured the difference, you normally do your test and science as perfect as possible. I naturally thought you would do the same here. Fair enough 😊

[@craigix]

The screen in that is running at about 5fps. How in 2020 can it be so slow?

[@neitusp8546]

It's intentional, because of the speed was to refresh 60 times a second you couldn't read the number because it would be changing too fast.

[@caerphoto]

The screen itself is updating faster than that, it's just the speed readout that updates slower.

[@michelmelinot]

Bjorn I have a noob question : when launching the e208 at red light my tires (Michelin Pri4) take too much torque (even on dry road) and it makes the wheels skid, do I have to disable anti-lock system or something? Thanks

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Anti lock / ABS has nothing to do with traction control. As standard, traction control is always on. EV cars are often equiped with eco tires, which have lower rolling resistance, but also slightly less grip. You should just accelerate not so hard.

[@edc1569]

feed the power in progressively, you'll get used to it, also consider disabling traction control (if you can) if it interferes too much

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

@@edc1569 why disabled traction control if you want to avoid wheel spin? 🤷

[@ricardoaguiar8841]

It's front wheel drive, so, you'll just have to learn how to live with it. Even grippier tires may not not do away with the problem entirely. I hear the Kona is a real disgrace in that department. Just try and accelerate slowly and gradually. It will be very interesting to see how the ID.3 does in winter but I'm sure in the future more and more EVs will become rear wheel drive.

[@lepus831]

Wondering if D or B mode makes a difference for such test ? I personally noticed some differences in e-Up! D feels a bit quicker at the start.

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@Poraqui]

About 38.000 € for this car and without a backup camera? And spend about 6000€ more for the lowest trim to have one? In the overall car business timetable, largely available EVs are a new thing, but not in their absolut infancy, so these prices are just robbery. The things car builders get way with these days.

[@MayContainJoe]

Challenge: Find the most expensive sedan/limousine (aka normal car) still in production without a backup camera.

[@Poraqui]

@@MayContainJoe Why should I waist time doing that? You're trivialising a feature that, for instance, the US imposed on all new cars from 2018\2019 (based on the Cameron Gulbransen Kids Transportation safety Act) for it's pivotal importance in limiting "backover" crashes. EVs, as the next stage in automotive transportation, should set the standard in safety, basic comfort and performance. By treating certain features such as the one discussed as an option, car builders are also treating safety of pedestrians as an option. And yes, paying 38000 € for a BEV such as this and without a backup camera is robbery.

[@edc1569]

these days!? car companies have been doing this since remote locking, powered windows and CD players.

[@Poraqui]

@@atlantikav5902 That's on you. Isn't it? Again, another person that is completely missing the point. You can't justify manufacturers bad conduct or sales techniques with public's acceptance of said approaches. If that were the case, we didn't even ever have mandatory seat belts along with other safety features that were once an "option". In the state of today's technology and the widespread presence (that even became mandatory in the US) on all levels of vehicles of back up camera, there is no excuse in 2020 for a 38000€ EV to not have it as standard we the added fact that they skimped on the cockpit's quality.

[@Poraqui]

@@edc1569 are those safety features that help protect pedestrians?

[@Juuul89]

What do you use to time the sprints?

[@MrShimizoo]

Europe should mandate backup camera, just like in the US. It is ridiculous that in 2020 they sell a 40k euro car without back up camera. Shame WV!

[@MayContainJoe]

@@AndrasMihalyi You're not allowed to reverse using mirrors and parking sensors, you need look behind you and if your car is unable to provide an unobstructed rear view, you need mandatory assistance by another person. If you run someone over while reversing using only mirrors and parking sensors only, you go to jail. So it's a safety feature. The US mandated it after too much children were run over because of blind spots.

[@g3rm]

@@MayContainJoe That's BS. If you can't back up using mirrors and parking sensors you shouldn't be allowed to drive. Looking behind is unsafe as you have a blind spot behind your back and there's even bigger chance you'll hit someone coming from the side.

[@Christer885]

👍

[@victor555117]

What app are you using for the 0-100 times?

[@kompost1]

Dragy, physical device + app

[@ProfessorHamer]

Disappointing acceleration, Kona has fwd, yet is quicker, rwd should allow better grip and less traction control. Perhaps vw were too careful with the traction control, not loading the tire to the limit.

[@gerryheery1388]

Can you put speakers in the back doors

[@MayContainJoe]

Full with computers and buggy software, but no backup camera, that's ridiculous for a 2020 car. Thankfully in the US new cars without backup camera are banned from their domestic market.

[@Fernication]

How can ID3 be the same price as tesla model 3?? Doesn’t make sense

[@the_amazing_raisin]

Are the noise measurements in dB or dBa?

[@bjornnyland]

You mean dBA or dBC? It's dBA of course.

[@the_amazing_raisin]

@@bjornnyland Thanks!

[@toninocars]

The difference between the different wheels sizes is in the comfort mostly and handling, performance same and efficiency very similar. Drive in D mode not in B, all you videos you are in B mode

[@bjornnyland]

Nope, drive in B mode, not D mode. In B mode, you have stronger regen.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

@@bjornnyland in D mode you can use gliding to safe energy in certain cases. Pressing the brake pedal will generate the same regen as B

[@dantoes1]

The ID 3 MAX is slower than the 1th & the PLUS because the 20 inch wheels (smaler wheels accelerate faster), MAX wil have a slightly higher top speed.

[@jarhu86]

The outer diameter remains the same as tire has smaller height on side.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

The difference between 215/55-18 and 215/45-20 is almost zero. The max is 100+ kg heaver than the base model

[@GaminGusTav]

Just go for the Golf GTE, much more care for price

[@foersom5928]

Good video, but the spreadsheet at 10:52 has errors in the column "Test vs spec" time calculation for Tesla EVs (line 2 and 4) that makes it look as if Tesla is faster than promised when they actually are a bit slower than specified.

[@bjornnyland]

Not error. Explained too many times before.

[@foersom5928]

@@bjornnyland Stop treating Tesla as a special snowflake that should have their acceleration timing measured by a more lenient rule than everyone else.

[@MrSpuzzz]

Foersom bjorn is not giving tesla special treatment. He tested tesla and all evs using both methods. He sorted the sheet by actual results. The only custom formula he uses is the comparison to what was promised. And tesla does not hide the fact that their spec is measured with a 1 foot rollout. I guess you think tesla is being misleading with their choice of measurement. But don’t expect Bjorn to measure tesla against a different standard to what they promised. THAT would be an error. Besides, this is a VW video.

[@foersom5928]

@@MrSpuzzz "And tesla does not hide the fact that their spec is measured with a 1 foot rollout" Then BN must make a separate "0-100 1 ft spec" column for Tesla lenient timing and not put Teslas in the actual 0-100 spec column. What BN is doing now, is given Tesla a double advantage, making it look like Tesla X-100 time is a 0-100 time, but only calculating them against "0-100 (1 ft)" time measurement in "Test vs spec". Tesla is big boy company and should not be given hidden favors in comparison tables.

[@MrSpuzzz]

Foersom he does have separate columns for each test method. No one should mistake Tesla’s 0-100 time for their 0-100wrollout time. You are looking for bias when it isn’t there. Bjorn is quite honest and fair with his criticism of tesla ... if anything he’s a little harder on them (because he’s owned them, he finds very intricate defects that he wouldn’t have time to find in loaner cars).

[@a.ach7873]

Slow refresh rate on those screens sucks !

[@a.ach7873]

Joel W For the speed display sure (although it still sucks that it’s this slow), for the laggy power bar I doubt that.

[@t3kil4t3x]

Model 3 is far far ahead

[@Stan0619]

It doesn’t look better

[@spd557]

Copy paste from BMW i3

[@kjellodnebreitebakk]

I think that is a good thing. I own my second i3 now. After test drivng a ID3 Max, I want one. It feels better to drive, the seats are very good and I want the extra range.so I think my next car will be a 77kwh ID3 Tour.

[@lesp315]

0 to 100km/h in about 7s is nothing special for an electric car.