VW ID5 GTX 1000 km challenge part 2

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[@hallo55665]

I heard that EV6 and Ioniq 5 will get preconditioning in the next update which is scheduled in this week. Its already impletmented in Genesis GV60 Software, so a retest after this update would be nice.

[@IanMcc1000]

I hope so.. I was about to comment that Kia and Hyundai rally need to get their act together on this. I'm still not holding my breath tho..

[@IanMcc1000]

@@skyemalcolm The key with the EV6 is the lack of preconditioning since launch. It's still a very fast charging car, but knowing that possibly there are tweaks to be made to it's BMS to improve speed further (or to improve it to "as advertised") is a bit frustrating. The US software is the same as the Euro software AFAIK.

[@IanMcc1000]

@@skyemalcolm I thought we were referring to the infotainment and performance firmwares, not the app

[@IanMcc1000]

@@skyemalcolm I have a Peugeot 208 and the app is meant to be pretty terrible. But the preconditioning for the AC works, timed charging works. I can't really see what else you need. Sentry canes the battery apparently and parked by my home, the car is safe.

[@erhardschreck2192]

Thanks for your hands on videos. I have the id4 and have a lots of charging issues. Anyways I hope the VW engineers are watching your videos too.

[@erik4111]

The only thing missing now is that vw raises the towing weight from 1000kg (rwd) or 1200kg (awd).

[@danielbukowski]

Björn - could you do a quick video on all the different calculation formulas? Like when you did Distance x Consumption = Required energy / battery capacity = Needed %.. I know you have more calculations and I’ve written down a couple of them 😀 Would be a great tutorial for EV-beginners

[@Air-ic279]

he has done a video about it. 2 or 3 years ago.

[@Air-ic279]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2bXemujrbKAhKs

[@cw4953]

@@Air-ic279 what is the video called?

[@hermansmaaberg1731]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2bXemujrbKAhKs

[@Air-ic279]

​@@cw4953 click the link

[@kungula]

Excellent car, nice video, thank you Bjorn, please review the BMW I 4 drive 40.

[@eddietim]

i hope whatever update VW does, can allow that on vw id.4's 2021 and up. would love to hit 175kw speeds in California Shiiiiiiettttttt!

[@EV_OBD]

Kia EV6 battery cooling at Ionity seems to take 5-7 kW (if you compare kW from charger with kW to battery). Battery cooling in Ampera-E took 4 kW while charging at 60 kW.

[@NO3V]

Well. At least its aerodynamics are slightly more efficient than the Ioniq 5..

[@michalvaner3167]

Seems like the AC turns off whenever the door is opened (kind of makes sense, because AC doesn't really work well with door open). Except it does so even when the AC is used for the battery and not for the cabin. Two features that didn't know about each other and produced this bug by meeting 😈. Software development is fun.

[@MultiMrShepherd]

The panel gab trolling 😂

[@Das-Radio]

ID.5

[@yodagerhard8389]

It would be nice to test also the actual Tesla Model Y LR, with the bigger battery now :) 1000 km test and reach, with the 19" wheels

[@testi2025]

Those matrix high beams work very well on unlit motorways, give them a try.

[@ottogyorgy8876]

I wonder what time could go an EV6 or Ioniq 5 in sommer, without coldgate

[@jamesdonaldson4630]

Cool music tonight 🕺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇦🇺🏍

[@woodypwx]

Looking forward to the Enyaq Coupe test

[@timberthewolf733]

Would love to see a Model 3 charging test with HVAC off vs on.

[@bjornnyland]

In most of my Tesla charging tests I actually run HVAC on. No problemo.

[@Nelsonrgpereira]

Do you think you can test the regular ID5 with the different battery pack to see if it messes up the charging when AC is on?

[@pauladams5673]

Uses battery, supplied by C.A.T.L. same supplier to TESLA.

[@sharup1838]

When you tried to pay with the Tesla card lmaooooo. Nice vid.

[@dumitru_sirbu]

Love it! Can’t wait for my Q4 dual motor delivery..

[@menthe885]

Its true tho left side is the right side.

[@huckfinn5654]

I would love to see this AWD pack in the ID3 / Cupra Born. I know VW were looking to do this a year ago, but maybe supply issues mean they have to focus on delivering current backorders first. And developing a new infotainment system.... 🤦‍♂

[@kirlu50]

Jeg har kørt fra Svinesund til færgehavnen i Helsingborg på 2:48 t:m. Dog ikke i en elbil. Det var en søndag eftermiddag, og der var næsten ingen trafik - heller ikke gennem Göteborg.

[@newscoulomb3705]

23:33 I really think you might want to reconsider how you're driving some of these newer non-Tesla EVs that don't benefit from being driven like a Tesla. Assuming a 5-minute slop time for each charging stop including charger activation, entering/exiting the freeway, etc., it makes more sense to charge for slightly longer in order to eliminate additional, unnecessary stops. I recently tested the KIA EV6, and the difference in total charging time between charging from 10% to 80% once and charging from 10% to 45% twice is just a couple of minutes. Certainly less than the additional time required to make an additional, unnecessary stop.

[@bjornnyland]

You don't seem to understand the 1000 km challenge route. Fully understandable since you live in USA and this route is in Sweden. The problem (which is actually an actual real world problem) is that there aren't too many Ionity chargers on this route. The distance from Varberg to Spekerød is 107 km. But if I want to skip it like you suggests, I have to drive 225 km to reach Strømstad. And if you study the charging curve for ID5 GTX, you will realize that it has a high peak at the bottom but throttles quite fast past 40 % already. That's why for ID5 GTX it's a bad idea to skip Spekerød. If it was ID5 Pro which has a flatter charging curve but max 135 kW, skipping Spekerød might make more sense. I suggest that you know all the circumstances about the route, the car's range, the car's efficiency at high/low speed and the charging curve before you suggest something. Your suggestion was more of a general suggestion. But remember that in real world, there's no Ionity every 50 km. My claim is that the way I drove the ID5 GTX was already the most optimal way.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@bjornnyland Yes, I am speaking generally about short, high-speed segments with short charge session times ending way before the car's charging speed has dropped below even 75% of its peak. And sure, this might be the absolute ideal for that route and the ID.5 specifically, but the frequency of stops indicates that you have more rather than fewer high-speed charging options. It might be helpful to include the actual time spent charging versus actual time spent driving in your data sheet. That helps to do direct comparisons between different EVs. Either way, thanks for doing these tests. They provide a great data point and baseline to work from.

[@sphinx2k210]

Great looking cars but the laggy entry-level looking screens and UI doesn't justify the price for me, Do VW need to scrap the design and start over?

[@sebvv5219]

1:35 There's no way that door was fully closed.

[@bjornnyland]

There's no way you didn't know that I was joking.

[@karla6999]

😅 sure was open

[@STRIDwastaken]

Watching directly! Getting my Tesla Model Y in a few months so watching as much electric car videos i can to learn, loved ur camping video in the tesla btw :)

[@basedw]

Turning off ac kinda seems like cheating imo. Like in 17°, you're fine but if it was 30? Or -30? I think VW should have designed it better.

[@Vercixx]

It's not ideal for sure, but it's about turning off AC only during charging. If you're in a hurry, you can just wait inside the station for a few minutes, go pee, etc until the battery charges.

[@EV_OBD]

Turn off A/C only if you go for max charging speed. Once speed drops, you can run AC no problem.

[@Vercixx]

@@EV_OBD indeed, that's why I said if you're in a hurry :)

[@bjornnyland]

For all we know, VW might make a software fix for this soon.

[@bernardjukic9545]

Can you add cost of charges or price per kW, in your next tests, so we can monitor cost/price vs time going up, please? Thank you in advance.

[@rudyyyxu]

Shouldn't you have said kaputter Akku?

[@jorefin]

You have to say it at the beginning of the video! (Wrong side, right size)

[@KevinT3141]

21:54 Beware the night banana!

[@kevinn1158]

So when does the baby Björn channel start?? LOL

[@samr3530]

Can you do nio test with battery changing 1000km test

[@eddietim]

so 176kw speed from 5% to 40% ish?

[@nickolassnielsen]

No, 175 kw to 24%, then it drops fast . 130 kw 35% . . . . . .

[@alexjobs]

1:39 was no gap - it was you, not closing the door all the way.😏

[@doggnamedchip]

Come on, was an obvious joke. It's not his first car. 🤣

[@bjornnyland]

There were some noobs out there who claimed that Tesla had huge panel gap. But it was just not fully closed door there too. Now you know.

[@alexjobs]

@@bjornnyland now i get it. 👍🏼

[@kovadam9964]

I'm wondering why the consumption is that high. I have a Skoda Enyaq 80x (AWD) and did a long trip from Hungary to Munich (550km) and the first charging stop was after 350km with a consumption of 188Wh/km and an average speed of 110kmh (basically did 130kmh everywhere where it was not limited). So seems I was driving faster, I had luggage and 4 persons in the car, I climbed the Austrian Alps, outside it was 30°C so I had the A/C running, and thus I managed to get waaaay better consumption... Something is strange... I also did some other tests on a flat highway here in Hungary, 40km each way, with an average speed of 125kmh and the consumption was 205Wh/km... also A/C running all the time. Another time in winter (February) in 3°C with 5 persons, and full of luggage I managed to do 316km (5% SOC left) with 110kmh average speed and 230Wh/km consumption, heating all the time ON, some snowy rain during drive, cold and strong wind...

[@bjornnyland]

Lower drag on Eynaq and lower average speed than me.

[@kovadam69]

@@bjornnyland ID5 has bigger drag than Enyaq? What average speed did you have? You only drive with 120kmh, I drove with 130kmh...

[@zdruj1994]

05:10 what was that noise? 😂😂

[@bjornnyland]

Whatever you want to believe if you're 13 years old.

[@zdruj1994]

@@bjornnyland Are you offended by my comment? If you want i can delete it 🤷‍♂️

[@DavidCorsalini]

I know I'm late, but I'm a bit confused. Shouldn't the MEB platform be limited at 125kw? Will this come to other cars like the Enyaq?

[@bjornnyland]

175 kW for these batteries.

[@IanMcc1000]

I am puzzled by the charging speed shown at one point in the video of 173kw. The UK Spec ID5 gtx only has a 125kw on board charger

[@kevinspinks6202]

Onboard charger is 11kW. with rapid charging the charger is external to the car. 125kW is software version 2.3, upgrades to 175kW with software version 3.0 and above.

[@Kortusmaximus]

maybe they didn't Update the info. in general vw "guarante" the 135kw after the Update but ITs actually quite higher. they just want to play it safe,maybe to safe allmost all 77kw batteries will do the 175kw peak but the older batteries maybe less.

[@bjornnyland]

ID5 GTX uses a different battery from CATL which allows 175 kW max but throttles earlier. ID5 Pro (RWD) uses a battery with max 135 kW and flatter charging curve.

[@RuneVenes]

6:48 Cant you just look at the "HV Battery energy content" when it has 23,5 kWh + a little buffer. (When you have car scanner and obd dongle)

[@EV_OBD]

Right, but not all EVs show this parameter. Almost all EVs (and DC chargers) show SOC %.

[@bjornnyland]

Yes, but then I have to wait until Car Scanner shows it. Then it's too late and I have to leave...

[@oversizetraveller]

Oh my gosh, i don't understand, why you have such high consumptions... i drive my Enyaq 80X in switzerland with maximum of 16kWh/100km. I drive normally at a mix of 50% highway and 50% mixed in city and out city. Actually I can't even get to more than 22kWh when I drive all highway...

[@bjornnyland]

Switzerland... Say no more

[@alfredneumaier8974]

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[@Brooksie1of1]

That car would overheat so badly here in California, no way you could sit and charge without AC in 40°C heat.

[@thomasgarbaty7374]

Was this id.5 equipped with a heat pump?

[@bjornnyland]

Standard

[@jamesdonaldson4630]

How much does headlight use affect battery consumption?🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇦🇺🏍

[@Jonas.856]

They probably use less than 40w, or about 0.15% of 25kw, completely negligible.

[@salvatorelabbate153]

What's that noise at 5.12 ?

[@bjornnyland]

5:12

[@johnmadoo3538]

That laggy map is so bad... 🤔😬

[@DG-uv3zw]

Unusable... And very! dangerous while driving. This shouldn`t be allowed...

[@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy]

It is not VAG fault. It is just a group of engeineers who decided to install the software... Oh no, wait - this excuse was for diesel-gate, not for map-lag-gate. 😉

[@EugeneHoochie]

120 km/h in average :) What would be your speed in Germany then 🙈

[@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy]

Remaind me what is ID 5 max speed? 😉

[@linus3681]

@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy GTX: 180 km/h RWD: 160 km/h

[@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy]

@@linus3681 That comes with hourly stops for recharging.... so average speed would stll come out around 130....😉

[@joelsfallon]

Do the Lucid Air!

[@marcsimmonds5483]

Way too expensive.

[@justinfletcher1882]

Please can you do the Genesis GV60?

[@tonybardalen]

How is he supposed to Get hold of a car that is not present in the norwegian market?

[@justinfletcher1882]

@@tonybardalen how do I know its not present in the local market. How do I know he has not been invited to a Genesis press event where it is available.

[@tonybardalen]

@@justinfletcher1882 he's been mnetionint and repeating that a lot in the live streams.

[@payai00]

ตามมา

[@laeger6376]

Isn't this car supposed to Max out at 135 kW?

[@jkajolin]

No. With 3.0 software gtx models have higher max peak

[@laeger6376]

@@jkajolin Wow, even for already produced id4 GTX?

[@Gresteh]

@@laeger6376 yep, all GTX will get that charging curve, even the ones that have been already delivered with an older software, even the ID.3 with the 77kw battery will get that charging curve. Non GTX cars will also get a bump in charging speed but not as high as this one, non GTX (other than the ID.3) will get a flatter curve so they may be able to do this test faster than the GTX version. The thing is that nobody knows when VW will deliver the new version, owners will have to visit the dealership for the 2.4 software version and then they will get the 3.0 via OTA but the 2.4 campaign has not started yet... it's supposed to start soon, VW announced that they would give owners a date during june but nobody has heard anything yet and june is about to end.

[@compadre1234567]

25kw/100 km ?! Not even in a high speed police chase in my model 3 I don’t get those numbers 😝

[@bjornnyland]

*kWh/100 km Or even better: Wh/km

[@KasztanTS]

This car's exterior is pretty nice, GTX version has a decent power, good efficiency... But its sooooo ugly inside - the screens are very outdated, other staff too... No way to get it

[@randomdriver]

That VW navigator lag is really unacceptable for a new car. I would return the car instantly if it was that laggy. Are they using some 90's computer in it or what? Shame on VW for making the user experience so bad.

[@DG-uv3zw]

People are actually ok with it and using this Nav screen? I can`t even stand watch it let alone use it. How the hack is this safe during driving!?!

[@scottwills4698]

The amount of time spent looking at the screen would be maybe 5 mins in 10 hours. He’s only zooming in and out to show us, normally you wouldn’t do it.

[@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy]

@@scottwills4698 Is it just Nav that is so laggy, or touch screen operation in general? When driving - every tenth of a second of de-concentration matters.

[@scottwills4698]

@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy it just the nav that’s laggy.

[@NO3V]

"Much faster now" Still sh1t for the money. (ok, I admit, I haven't driven an ID.5 yet. Only an ID4 1st, an ID4 GTX, an Enyaq and a Cupra Born.. I would maybe recommend the Enyaq to somebody who doesn't want to spend too much - if I don't like them too much.)

[@akselhanssen9301]

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