Wade Reacts: The 1 MOA Hoax | TPH69

[@Just_Samson]

😂 so when are y’all heading out to UT to prove him wrong? Let us know so we can all watch.

[@tphpodcast]

Is there an invite on the table?

[@Just_Samson]

@@tphpodcast no, but I’ll hit up Jim and see what he says. Would love to see a crossover video with you two. Maybe come shoot during the hunt expo in February. Would be great to all meet up, do some shooting, and enjoy the show after. I’ll let you know. Stand by

[@OutdoorswithKody]

Following up on this?

[@snapcrack55]

Kinda like the RanchFairy vs Dudley or MFJJ?

[@chtomlin]

Im sure he is happy for you to accept one of his challenges ​@@tphpodcast

[@Thestripper1]

You talk the talk but do you shoot a sub MOA 5 shot group with a factory hunting rifle? Do you? I'd love to see it.

[@Huckleberry_Hunter]

The average white tail deer hunter, at least here in Houston, is a 6 MOA shooter, on a bench. Seen dozens of guys shoot a dinner plate size group at 100 yards in October, right before season, and be totally confident in themselves.

[@markmtbrider]

😮

[@NorthRiverGuide]

And be completely confident until they come completely unglued when there is an animal around and that 6moa turns into 20moa+. Then afterwards their confidence comes back and they blame equipment. If they miss it's the scope/gun's fault, if they wound and lose it's the bullet/cartridge's fault. If they get shit lucky and the animal dies from a poor shot then it was all the shooter and everything went right except the bullet didnt perform to expectation.

[@Huckleberry_Hunter]

@@NorthRiverGuide too many people have too large an ego that they have to keep as high as possible. Not much humility left today.

[@jeremyclark3410]

You should turn “it’s not your fault, it’s the rifle’s fault.” With a shit 5shot group Into a shirt. I’d buy that

[@karlcain1068]

White vs. Blue collar GunTuber beef… And I’m here for ALL of it… 😮

[@AlecLCochran]

For the game you guys are always talking, time to bust out the rifles and show some shooting! Help people learn to shoot better if that's all it comes down to. Show us using the gear that you use at extended ranges, so we can all be better.

[@txpredatorhunting]

There’s tons of it on social media etc. This is a podcast .

[@JimPalmer3]

@@txpredatorhuntingBased response

[@josephhomen]

The back fire dude thinks he knows way more than he actually does.

[@valhallaoutfitter]

If you really want to nerd out on the stats surrounding manufacturing ... anyone who uses 6 Sigma tolerances should have a failure rate of 3.4 per million produced (paperclips, widgets, RIFLES), so yes the guns are overwhelmingly "pretty damn good" coming out of the factory and the problems are ammo and BCAT (between chair and trigger).

[@spartanxlv]

Here's what I think you're missing. An average of 1.8 MOA for ALL combinations of off the shelf rifles and factory match ammo sounds about right. That doesn't mean most individual rifles can't shoot sub-MOA with its preferred load. I'm a sub-MOA capable shooter, and my Sig Cross 6.5 CM (which I would say is more accurate than an "average" factory rifle) groups around 1.5 MOA with most factory ammo. With several preferred factory loads, it hovers under MOA. Jim isn't a bad shot and his data isn't a lie. When you include all combinations of cheap rifles and "match" ammo, the average group sizes are going to get larger.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Oh no , I get his point

[@gk5891]

Rifle - CVA Cascade .308 Win Bases - OEM 2 Piece Picatinny Rings - Burris Signature Zee Medium Scope - Burris FF II 3-9x40 Ammo - Norma Whitetail 150 gr Target - RangeMaxx 2" Sticky Range - 100 yd Group - 2 rounds, 1 x Cold + 1 x Warm I just want to know i can hit within 1" of my aimpoint at 100 yards with the initial and a possible followup shot. As long as it does it consistently Im happy. In theory I guess that's a theoretical 2" group size, Ask me if I care?

[@gonepostal9101]

Best vid ever, guys. It’s called practical accuracy, and Wade has it in spades. All the statistics, dispersal ratio’s, and excell spreadsheets aren’t gonna make you a better shooter.

[@ethcar]

First 5 minutes is what's wrong with this country.

[@txpredatorhunting]

😂

[@alexjr4468]

Yeah 1989 is a great album

[@RammaJamma3]

Jim is a very good guy he is 1000% legit. He also has about 800,000 subscribers

[@Okrifleman]

I’d love to see you do it instead of talk about it. That’s the only reason I can think of I’d ever watch another of your videos. First 10+ minutes about Taylor Swift was cute.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Are you familiar with how podcast work?

[@philswann]

So easy to hide behind "we're a podcast" so we don't have to back up any of our claims.

[@txpredatorhunting]

@@philswann 😆

[@chtomlin]

​@@txpredatorhuntingno reason you can't shoot in a podcast

[@chtomlin]

​@@txpredatorhunting A podcast is your personal digital broadcast. Content of your choice.

[@williamsweet7511]

I like his reviews and I think the biggest problem with 2A is us eating our own. It doesn't help at all. Cutting up on our fellow gun/rifle citizens is a complete waist of time. I've never unsubscribed to a 2a channel but...

[@txpredatorhunting]

If you can’t get behind freedom of speech , how long before you are talked into giving up your arms ?

[@txpredatorhunting]

@@mhdsavi I think we don’t see the same things.

[@chtomlin]

​​@@txpredatorhuntinghow is his speech about your poorly executed episode, seen as an attack on speech? I'm just glad this one was not my introduction to your channel, because I would have missed out on many hours where you do much better.

[@Nicomachean_Man]

I watched his video before watching yours. I didn’t think the point of his video was “it is the rifle’s fault.” I though the point of his video was because we all (including the marketing department of these companies) know the biggest factor in shooting is the shooter, the 1MOA guarantee doesn’t mean anything because if your rifle doesn’t shoot 1 moa the company will always revert to shooter error… and they may even be right. What this leads to is the MOA guarantee existing largely as a marketing ploy. I believe Backfire used to be in marketing and I believe that is the perspective he is approaching this from. You’re a very experienced shooter who can tell presumably if its you or your firearm having issues. But, for the less experienced shooter even if it is their rifle that is messed up, it is easy to tell them its their fault because that’s the go to answer. I think that was all Backfire was saying and I think it’s disingenuous is imply he was promoting blaming the rifle if you don’t shoot well.

[@robinsok]

I listen to both channels. I'm not surprised that Jim thought this episode came out as mocking or condescending. I mean, your were laughing constantly at what he put out, and and at one point called him cross-eyed for no reason. I agree this episode comes off very know it all-ish. I think Jim probably should have talked more about the skill of the shooter, and how many types of ammo should be tried. I've seen this personally. I bought a tikka that shot core lokts into about 5 inch groups at 100. Same range trip, shot hornady interlocks, 3 shots you could cover with a dime at 100.

[@Okrifleman]

Insulting a kid that’s out learning to shoot. Low class move by a low class dude.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Wasn’t an insult , was just pointing out the fact he doesn’t have a good teacher. Infact, I even expanded upon it .

[@gabriels5105]

Yeah. This nobody comes out and says because hes not a good shot he does not need an accurate gun. He chases for total straw men and then calls everyone not him dumb. He takes the stance since you cant hit sub moa its ok if a gun company scams you with trash gun that wont hit anything unless your lucky and that they dont need to give you what you bought. Its a machined tube. It better shoot where you point it. He should go get a 5moa gun and prove he is so great and get 10 shots sub moa since he thinks his experience will make him not trash. He should tell everyone how his stance will fix his 5 moa gun. People ought to know that some guns will not out shoot them and that there is actual trash being sold.

[@jeffvens9016]

In related question. What are your thoughts on 6 arc vs 22 creadmore in a ar 15 for coyotes? 200 to 350 yard shots . Multiple coyotes coming in at a time

[@Cowboy.underwater]

6 arc is for an ar15, 22 creedmore would be some sort of AR10. the ARC has much more factory support and is probably the best route for an AR platform rifle. if you want to do a lot more custom stuff, then go 22 creedmore in an AR10. How big is your budget?

[@aquadonkey.]

Legit question from someone who doesnt hunt and is just completely ignorant, i shoot steel at out to 700 yards sometimes and go shooting at least a couple times a month, and when i get my windage dialed in ill hit a 2x3 just about every time at 700, but when hunting are you just using an anemometer and educated guess? I only shoot steel and paper but im assuming your not taking windage sighting shots when your hunting, or maybe im completely wrong

[@csguerdet]

Taylor Swift is a business genius. She puts patterns on here lyrics and she’s redoing all of her old music because she wasn’t allowed to own the rights to it. It’s brilliant like or not that’s one smart trick.

[@alexjr4468]

Oh yeah - you are right…..she re-recorded all her old songs and ever so slightly tweaked the mix so it was a “new” song now with its own IP & royalties

[@tallyho6156]

Wade thanks for saving the first 10 minutes of the podcast! Like your thoughts and opinions! I should give you like all the money in my wallet 😂😂

[@NorthRiverGuide]

As a game cutter that 1 box a year analogy for the avg deer hunter doesn't seem to add up right. It would be more like 15 shots to get sighted in halfass, then 5 shots to kill a deer.

[@sethmatherne7012]

What's interesting is the video he did on the 2020 waypoint. Also, wouldn't the accurate testing method be in some form of rifle carriage in addition to the ammo used?

[@txpredatorhunting]

We will get to this soon.

[@djl0fne]

Do u have a tikka upr riffle as part of your testing slate ?

[@JamesWalker-ng1qh]

Y'all should do a shoot off. Shoot groups with same rifles and ammo. Compare groups, whatever the rifle and ammo combo. That would give some solid talking points.

[@tphpodcast]

We will definitely be doing some sort of follow up with actual rifles. It’s about to start cooling down which means it’s time to do some outdoor filming.

[@theproudamerican1967]

Please tell me the first few minutes was a joke.

[@jizburg]

Nope. Its stone cold serious

[@jonathanbennison9220]

1:06:22 Could the 7 shot group just be to showcase if groups beyond 3 and 5 are affecting the grouping accuracy of that rifle, Not because you want a tight 7 shot group... Outside perhaps of some speed target competitions? Or, of course, for 'target rich environments' Because there are defense / combat considerations for some... So understanding, if the Firearm has a significant accuracy change, from its 3 shot groups, to a 7 shot test. Has some potential benefit. I suppose.

[@williamboling8639]

Bergara’s have a sub MOA guarantee which is certified from the factory with factory match ammo. They tell you which ammo they use and procedures to certify it for each rifle on their website. And they aren’t all that expensive rifles.

[@newenglandrider3189]

They all do but they'll come up with an excuse - like you can't shoot. And if you read the fine print you may find stuff like, "if we can shoot one MOA with the rifle you will be charged for time, materials and return shipping."

[@208bowmaddnneess]

That’s only the premiers. The others are not shot for groups. I’ve had a rifle replaced by them because it didn’t hold moa. It shot more like minute of softball. Although I did have a load that I worked up that shot sun minute. Personally I don’t see most factory hunting rifles producing sub moa 5 shot groups on the average u till you get into the more expensive factory rifles

[@scottleggejr]

​@@newenglandrider3189on the other hand, you sell me a gun that can't hit a target, why am I paying to ship it back or your idiot staff to shoot it? 😂

[@RammaJamma3]

Jim is a lawyer not professional shooter

[@jonathanbennison9220]

1:07:43 Repeat your test, with 2 shots per day, for the 5 days, for the 10 shots. And record them, to see, if you have any difference between your 1st and 2nd shots. Across the 5 days. To address the idea of a cold bore...

[@MONTEGOBLUE]

It’s a topic worth. Having on the podcast. I’m from the deer capitol of Texas and you cannot believe the “deer hunters” we have come through town. So the difference between being born into hunting shooting since you were big enough to hold a gun. Vs growing up and making the choice to become a outdoorsman. There’s so many factors that separate average hunters. We’re all nameless in the industry. A lot of us shoot. Entry level rifles some of us shoot grandpas old rifle so the difference in average shooters. Comes in that some of us shoot all year long. And some of us pull out a rifle. Put 5 shots on a paper plate the weekend before season starts call it good and go on and gut shoot deer. Us on the other end of the spectrum. Have a gun in the pickup everyday. It’s not pretty but. Coyote rattlesnake. Turtle in the pond. They’re in danger anytime we’re around..... I’m not accusing y’all of doing this but. Folks need to know. You can’t lump us good ole boy deer hunters in with the stereotypical deer hunters. I mean honestly. One side yanks it to the sportsman channel. Loves the smell of doe in heat. And gut shoots 2 yr old deer with 300 rums. And then you got guys. That hang papaws ole 222 off the truck mirror put one through an eyeball. Dress it and go on to work. I mean I got tons of examples. But. Your right come to Texas get any employee from the small town feed store. And have them shoot Moa. For 50$. Them boys need gas money. I’m with you on the ruger American I got 5 they all shoot. If you put a load together. They can touch holes consistently. Lol I do agree in this day and age. You buy a rifle that won’t group slap yourself. And learn how to shoot.

[@joeditz48]

Yall should really go to the range and offer 20 bucks to whoever can shoot a 5 round 1 moa group! That vid would be a HIT

[@TOMASH0925]

I think you need to do a video of 5-10 stock hunting rifles and see if you can do it.

[@txpredatorhunting]

I do it several times a week testing ammo. I can already see how that would go with nay sayers. The Ally Experiment on the other hand, would be interesting.

[@longrangeredneck1335]

@@txpredatorhunting shoot off with backfire

[@TOMASH0925]

I believe you I’ve done it with some cheap rifles. I just want to see the video of you showing him up ha ha

[@philswann]

Really enjoy your channel, but was pretty disappointed by this. Spending an hour and a half bagging on a guy with literally 200X your followers isn't a great look. Wish y'all would stick to what you do best and leave the character assassination of other shooters/channels out of it. Just my 2 cents.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Did you watch the entire podcast or turn it off as soon as you formed your opinion?

[@jkd0114]

Seriously Texas Predator Hunting lol rarely are they talking about predator hunting. Get back to the basics boys. I’ll keep checking in, but your topics generally are not about predator hunting.

[@txpredatorhunting]

@@jkd0114 if you don’t see the correlation in gear etc , than you’ll probably ever be happy. We aren’t like others, every episode will never be just about the act of predator hunting. We focus on gear , tactics , stories, etc. Information and entertainment.

[@philswann]

@@txpredatorhunting I watched the whole thing.

[@philswann]

@@txpredatorhunting I don't have any problem with y'all taking issue with the 1 MOA challenge. That made total sense. Just didn't see the need for the personal attack on the presenter, that's it. Full stop. Y'all are entertaining as hell, and I hope you're thick skinned enough to take the occasional critique.

[@kirbyjwhite]

Eh, my 6.5 PRC struggles to shoot 2 MOA with 143gr ELDX, but shoots sub 1 MOA 147gr ELDM. Bergara has a list of "match" ammo that they recommend for their rifles and they aren't all the same for each caliber. I think it's completely fine to say that the average rifle struggles to shoot a sub MOA 5 shot group.

[@SabertoothDefenseSystems]

With a 5 shot group at 100 yards with Fed GMM 168gr SMK and a 308 Ruger American Rifle with a Dead Air Nomad 30 suppressor.. benched.. I achieved groups of .74, .90, and 1 MOA groups. Also tried Browning Long Range Pro 168gr Tipped SMK’s also got .9”, and Norma 150gr softpoint’s got 1”. That rifle can definitely shoot MOA but I had to go through multiple different types of factory 308 loads ranging from 1.4-3MOA. On top of that I was really taking my time, using bags and letting the gun cool down between groups. I’m not trying to say the Ruger American is the best rifle ever. I say all this to show that even cheaper factory rifles can shoot MOA under the right conditions, with the shooter doing their part. And I’m not a pro shooter by any means. Videos like that are what cause all this stupid in-fighting in the community about accuracy, caliber debates and all that fuddy stuff😂 I appreciate your take on this. Keep up the good content!

[@pink_love_cat4928]

Stop at Walmart and grab a cheap rifle not a Ruger but in common hunting caliber just to see Ruger makes some of the best affordable rifles

[@dependablekit5500]

ROFLMAO optics on the handguard is priceless!!!!

[@mac7977]

When I get a barrel I work up loads after about 50-100rnds. Also I try many different powders & grain of bullet. A lot of people think they can shoot 1 moa, but can't.

[@MrWallaland]

When do we get to see the face of the mysterious voice behind the camera?? It wouldn’t be just any 308, it would be a Remington 7400 with a core lock that would get you.

[@tphpodcast]

I guess I need to start wearing some body armor - Fitzy

[@MrWallaland]

@@tphpodcast haha. I suppose I wouldn’t worry too much. Between the ammo, rifle and oh ya the shooter accuracy I think you are pretty safe

[@tphpodcast]

@@MrWallaland If it's the type of person I'm thinking of they'll probably try and get me when I'm sitting down for a meal.

[@dylangonzales]

Thinks 1 MOA is a hoax, has a son named Ruger, gels and spikes his hair at the age of 40…Coping is his lifestyle

[@benjmonster420]

You spelled proved wrong

[@JNOSNOW]

Them Utah mormons are interesting folk.

[@danielclover6992]

If t swizzle came on the radio. I wouldn't even know who it was.

[@Helcat338]

Any 22 creedmoor s yet

[@jonathanbennison9220]

45:30 I agree. If you receive a rifle for accuracy testing, and fire some 3 or 5 shot groups, and see accurate results. You'd understandably be quite content. However... Perhaps the point he's trying to make, Would be if the rifle is not firing 1MOA groups in early testing, and the company just keeps going until they find some magic that functions, or until they get a lucky group (magic editing) (ignore the last 50 groups this week at 2 MoA... We finally got a good one) That would not really be the spirit of the Marketing. I totally agree with you though. You expect that most rifles you test will reliably consistently, produce 1 MOA groupings plural , or better, in your hands,

[@buddytoups1129]

Guys, just an fyi, if this was the only video of yours that I have seen I would not watch your videos. The condescending attitude is really too thick here.

[@snapcrack55]

I think you missed the point of Backfire's video and I believe you are both kinda saying the same thing. Hear me out... He is saying that there are lots of factors why most "guns" can't shoot 1 moa. If you listen closely he is saying most people THINK the gun will shoot 1 moa AND ignore all the steps to achieve that 1 moa. He does suggest that most guns are CAPABLE of getting 1 moa, BUT you need the right ammo, a good scope, the right wind, the correct shooting form and discipline, etc.

[@markmtbrider]

Free t shirt idea : non descript ,scoped bolt gun floating in space , the " it's not you ,it's me " under it ,or over it....

[@cupajoe7258]

I'm not exactly sure how much T-swift chat I skipped, but I regret none of it.

[@jizburg]

Its her world, we are just livin in it.

[@terpsurfer7221]

I like his market reports and his detailed reviews. He goes deep into the specs which I appreciate. With that said I think there is a serious point of diminishing returns when it comes to rifles. I really dont think they make "bad rifles" they make less than optimal but never bad. You can take a cheap rifle off the shelf bed it and find a load for it and be more accurate than a bad shooter with an expensive rifle.

[@terrancecomey2732]

As far as Deer hunters,I like Blacktail hunting too.I have buddies,lifelong deer ,Elk hunters…Ask me to try there rifles because they think the barrel is toast.I shoot it and tell them….No,its fine your 100 yard zero is 7 inches high and 4 inches left….Another I took 2 shots and said”dont go hunt with this,your scope base is loose”.I cant believe they can hit a sheet of plywood sometimes

[@ronws2007]

Trying to consolidate replies. I have watched these two podcasts. I have watched all three Hornaday podcasts )ep. 50, 52, 57.) If I don't see the paper (target,) then it did not happen. That goes for Hornady and anyone else. Backfire (Jim Harmer) did provide that. (side topic, I remember the guy that starred with them. Jim moved from Iowa to Utah, I think. Also, Jim is a big fan of Fierce Firearms, also based in Utah. And such a big fan of Ruger that he named one of his sons with that name.) To agree with Wade. It is almost always the shooter. Next likely, it is the ammo. And we have all tried a different brand and weight of ammo and found the results we wanted. Next step is the rifle. And also, Wade is right. Most of that can be traced to improper torque on all the screws. Those for the action, those for the scope rings and rails. Once in a blue moon, an imperfection in button rifling that displaces metal rather than removing it. Even thin sporter barrels can do well and there is no gucci steel. It is all steel. I have always considered myself the weak link in the rifle system, which I got from Ryan Cleckner, believe it or not. That being said, I zero and practice with the rifle as I hunt. Which means the butt is against my shoulder. So, when I am getting .39 MOA out of my PRC, I know that me and the rifle can be effective. Even so, I still think of it as a 1 MOA gun.

[@kalebbooher8092]

Watch some of his actually hunting videos, enough said

[@joshuahendrix-hq3kz]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqnbl6dsp5qJqMU He appears at 21:25. Once again it has to be the rifles fault.

[@ericduncan3864]

I think you’re both correct to a certain extent. Big difference statistically between a 3 shot and 5 shot group particularly out of a thin profile hunting barrel.

[@ronws2007]

Just had to sub. This is great. And not just because you are in Texas. 01:07:47 This right here busts a myth that even I had bought in to. Zeroing for the cold bore shot. As a hunter, that is obviously an important shot. And your experience showed that it does not help. Instead, group for an average hunt, which would be three shots at most. And a number of companies do offer a guarantee. For example, and this should piss everyone off, Thompson Center Arms (now owned by Smith and Wesson), claims a 1 MOA on the first three shots. My TC Compass II in .308 W, fresh out of the box with the cheapest ammo (not even the best for that rifle) shot what turned out to be a .54 inch spread between cold bore and second shot. Calculated, that is .51 MOA from a 405 dollar gun (2021.) So that fulfills the factory 1 MOA claim on the first three shots. I also watched the Hornady podcast. I also admit that I am an average shooter and have a lot to learn. And I also start every range visit with some dry fire. It allows me to collect my breath, relax. See how I am affecting the scope.

[@waynemayle865]

I have a Savage model 10 max 1 22-250 that will shoot better than moa with factory hornady 55gr v max long as i do my part

[@whiskerbiscuit99]

Im sorry but as a rule of thumb ive yet to see a single person ever sit down and shoot sub moa without fault. Absolutely not the normal hunting/shooting enthusiasts, and rarely well experienced handloaders/devout riflemen. Mostly due to environmental and human factors, most rifles outshoot the shooter. Your a channel a whole lot smaller, but admittedly better to listen to, and your baggin him when you could be grabbin his audience. Hes not wrong when it comes to the general consensus, a vast majority just cant shoot sub moa, though in most cases, not because of the rifle itself. How about this, take his challenge? Talk is cheap. Ive heard all kinds of people make claims about what they shot for groups but when actually present it just doesnt come together for some reason.... and the excuses fly....hmmm. Thats not to say i havent seen lights out groups, i sure have, but get those shooters off a bench and in random enviro settings and thet fall apart and cant hit reliably. Im not saying sub moa is a hoax, theres guys that are damn good and do shoot sub moa consistently, but as a whole avg across all shooters its quite a stretch, id say closer to 2moa or a bit under. Bugs me that you wanna rag on the guy over this, and hes not wrong, its just not a rifle issue, its human. Your doing exactly whats wrong with our community, baggin on someone else over intelligence or preference. Take his challenge, he provides you with the rifles and optics of your choice and you set the gun up, and you pick the factory ammo. Im gonna laugh when it takes a whole lotta ammo and time to get a sub moa 5 shot group.....

[@txpredatorhunting]

It bothers me you spent all this time to say you agree with me .

[@dannydivine7699]

So would you agree that 99.9% of modern rifles will outshoot 99.9% of shooters?? Do you by chance have a link to the wandering zero video you mentioned???

[@jonathanbennison9220]

... I know when we cleaned and inspected the armoury before ATI, (annual inspections) We cleaned, inspected, and tested, every single rifle in the armoury, and held every single tool to a high standard. Very busy week, every year, But that's expecting and demanding high standard of performance, from each tool on the shelf.

[@nunyabeezwax1413]

Backfire is a weird channel. That guy gets on my nerves.

[@kriswarren6202]

Listening to the whole Taylor explanation was like what I imagine and adverse reaction to a megadose of ozempic would be like.

[@metzodman]

PPU clover leaves with my 308.savage 110. But i bedded it😢

[@Serenityindailylife]

If I took my hunting rifle to the range and it couldn't shoot 1 moa. I would be looking at a new barrel. I have put in the work, I load and shoot and have built up a good amount of DOPE for not only drops but also load development. When I buy powder, I buy 5lbs, that way I'm not screwing around with lot changes. I have a tag on each powder jug that tells me which rifle I load for with that jug. I inspect the bullets and weigh each of them. I do the same for primers and brass. Each rifle has their own brass, powder, primer lot, bullet lot. I have been doing it since my Biathlon days. I measured every single rim, every overall length and weighed each round, even though that was rimfire. Now I do it because I enjoy doing it and I feel I owe it to the animal. Except hogs, with hogs I use factory loaded ammo most of the time and use different rifles for factory ammo. I don't get rid of a 2moa rifle on the first time it shoots 2moa. I try it on other days, that way if I have a bad day, I note it. I don't stop shooting, I just shoot factory ammo that day. That way I still get in my shooting but I treat it as a fun day. I'll usually just shoot semis on those days. Or one of my full autos. I'm happy just shooting. I'm a retired warrant officer in the Army and was a squad designated Marksman. I'm not the greatest but proudly wore my presidents 100 tab. I like to think I am better than average. Since I retired I spend my time helping out at wounded warrior hunts and I am a gunsmith. I did a 2 year apprenticeship and went to college for it. I work part time at a shop building custom rifles. I had an issue with a springfield prodigy where I think I may have received a T&E pistol because it was so dirty that it wouldn't cycle until I cleaned it. I sent pictures to springfield and showed them how dirty it was and showed how scratched up it was and they just sent me a tag to return it, even without me asking. So I do think there are some t&e guns that do get out. As far as bullets, I buy mainly Hornady and Sierra. I use some berger but usually just for 2 of the rifles that shoot it better than a traditional bullet. Mainly my 375 is a solid copper rifle, my older GA Precision 243 likes them too.

[@thekracken4572]

Let see it! Do a live with you doing it. Factory rifle with factory ammo 5 round group.

[@hobbyoftheday4017]

My latest hunting rifle is a weatherby vangard in 6.5 prc with a maven 4-16 ( not a great scope it was 350 on sale) first trip out that gun posted all 1.5 moa or smaller groups with a few sub moa groups. With the two types of ammo i tried. Im happy with that, except the scope its got go. reticle is too thick and eye relief is not great.

[@Chonkasaurus]

I unsubbed from him a while ago because he tends to put out a lot of misinformation or just doesn't provide important details. I feel bad for new hunters starting out and watching this guys channel since there are much more informative channels who actually seem to give good information.

[@chrisfisher3900]

Wtf Jesus Christ the beginning made my head hurt

[@18wheelsandadozen6shooters5]

He was a marketing guy that built backfire as a class he was teaching, then sold the company but kept the rights to backfire. Now he’s a full time you tuber. He did a video about it awhile back. I watch him but I’ve noticed he’s really been up hornadys rear end lately probably hoping for a sponsorship

[@Cachecarlson]

That’s correct, it was a social experiment to show how you fool people to follow your channel even if you know absolutely nothing about the subject. He and his original partner had a falling out and split. Here’s the link of them explaining backfire and why it was created. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5W5oHaJhbJgjpY

[@isaactrujillo76]

I just can’t trust anyone anymore

[@travispurdy4773]

“Wait like six videos back this fucker” I died holy shit.

[@jonathanbennison9220]

40:49 Only downside to this kind of policy, would be if it's vague enough, and exploited... I imagine you read it and apply the logic you explained earlier. You expect that once you figure out getting the rifle zeroed, and match up suitable ammunition, Your skill and experience and training, should consistently achieve 3 shot 1MOA Groupings with most rifles. So if you cannot achieve consistent 1MOA groupings in your testing, then you agree, sure, there might actually be something, with this individual rifle. But if you can figure out... Fire Hornady X, or Barnes C, or whatever 3 most reliable factory ammunitions you found, and the rifle, shoots reliably, consistently, performs well. Ie. 1 MOA Then what you've done, is test the rifle for the consumer and proven its an effective tool, and they might just need to adjust their ammunition, practice, human error, or environment. Some factor is compromising the consumer experience, but testing has proven the tool is mechanically sound and reliable.

[@ThinkSoberly]

“What do you consider normal?” Anyone who doesn’t listen to Taylor Swift unless you’re an 8 year old girl.

[@sweetteaoutdoors]

A .308 is way more appealing than Taylor Swift… 🤢🤮. It has more efficient design and a better seating depth too… 😂

[@txpredatorhunting]

Those photos were carefully curated and selected . Fake news !

[@shooter-observer1]

T Swift died years ago, that there is an actor, zoom in on her ear lobes, its a hoax!!!

[@jonathanbennison9220]

51:46 AGREED 100. And, that's your point, throughout so far, isn't it. That you have practiced your marksmanship, to the point that you feel confident in being able to achieve 1 MoA groups consistently, with the vast majority, with 99% ish, of factory rifles, with (well suited) factory ammunition, If properly cared for, (not abused / damaged obviously) And that is the measurement standard that you hold a sub par rifle against. When you find one out of a 100, that just don't perform to that same standard.

[@michaelcerrone1482]

I went to yall's store today. I bought Texas Predator Hunting T-shirts. I even bought my son a gun, after we shot my Sgt of Arms 6mm arc at your 100yd range. And now I hear this Taylor Swift jargon, and I now regret my choices today........😂😂😂😂

[@michaelcerrone1482]

But for real, that shop is amazing!

[@txpredatorhunting]

😆 That’s awesome, we appreciate you stopping in .

[@tphpodcast]

Thanks for stopping by, that’s awesome to hear! Unfortunately Wade wasn’t in today, but glad you enjoyed it.

[@pb7087]

Fierce’s policy is okay except for the major flaw of the 3 rounds instead of 5-10. 6 would be FAR better than 3,

[@justinmcbee8881]

5 + Months back I would like to see this guy shoot the KRAFT Drill and see if he is actually a 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 MOA Shooter. I would guess he is actually a 2-3 MOA Shooter him self. From this drill I have learned I am a 1.5 - 2 MOA shooter that I call 2 MOA shooter. I have ran this drill on all my rifle platforms to all about the same outcome. I am good with that for now. I know there are times I can perform better with low recoiling gamer PRS rifles in the 23lb mark(26" 6ARC w/ EC Tuner Brake). It takes my movements out of the equation.

[@kevincase6557]

Like you said, shooting sub moa is more about the shooter than the gun. Unless it’s an AK.

[@jonathanbennison9220]

39:58 Don't Blame the tool automatically... Fair... But, If you have a nukber of factory and custom tools, rifles or golf clubs or knives, or whatever, If one of them, is not responding to the level you have come to expect from the majority of the others... If one of them is not performing, and if none of your efforts have been able to overcome that... At what point exactly do you begin to go back and actually challenge, Is this an effective tool? Is it perhaps faulty? Ie. If you have one rifle that does not perform with similar accuracy, dramatically poorer performance... If you try an extensive variety of ammunition loads, When exactly, do you acknowledge that there is something unique about that rifle, and perhaps not desirable? Perhaps, you might be able to design a custom ammunition solution, or perhaps you might be able to identify the Flaw, and perhaps repair or counter that. But there has to be a point, where you call a spade a spade, right? Ie. If you open 20 or 100 factory new Tikka rifles, say for new Rangers recruits, And 99% perform with similar accuracy during testing and your breaking, And 99% achieve reliable performance in your hands, and you teach the students, or new Rangers, to achieve their individual best. If you have 1 rifle in that shipment which you just can't figure out how to get it to match its peers, in your own hands, to perform to the same 'callibre' as you achieve with the other 99 rifles. Certainly, then, we begin to question that rifle.

[@shaunzimmerman661]

Biggest misconseption taylor writes all her own songs.

[@rschwarck44]

You used penultimate incorrectly penultimate means second to last. So the penultimate corner of a race track is the second to last corner.

[@boomcountryhydro]

The problem i run into with all this is the cold bore shot(Shooter in my opinion). When we hunt every shot is cold bore (shooter in my opinion ) 😂. I dont fire my gun to spook critters🤦🏼‍♂️

[@BillyRayJr.]

He's like the blippi of gun videos

[@kurtcolson769]

That comment got me😂. Your right he is always yelling and everything is always exciting. Like why are you screaming at the camera. Sounds like every show me kids watch.

[@sundownsaturn]

Im gunna thow it out there that the "cold bore shot" is generally fudds who clean their bore after every range trip and dont understand fouling shots. My gun will shoot .5 moa but not on a clean bore

[@ronws2007]

Also, Ron Spomer. The last name is pronounced Sp-oh-mer, not sp-oo-mer. Or is this trolling? Still waiting for proof that a factory hunting rifle can shoot 1 MOA for at least 3 shots, let alone the 5 shots that Backfire was requiring. 1 MOA = 1.047 inches. Easy to look up.

[@tphpodcast]

Look up Backfires latest video on the Ruger American.

[@ronws2007]

@@tphpodcast I have seen that. Also, I rewatched Jim's MOA hoax. What he was saying is that a company could produce a 3 shot group and call that the 1 MOA guarantee but that does not mean the gun will always shoot 1 MOA. Hence, the reference to the Hornady podcasts on dispersion and sample size of groups. For a 3 shot group, technically, one should shoot 7 3 shot groups. Juxtapose that to Erik Cortina saying that if his rifle and cartidge load is not .25 MOA in 3 to 5 shots, more shots will not make it better, which is true. I like the name of Cortina's podcast, Believe the Target. Or, as I have heard and learned, show me the paper (target analysis) or it didn't happen. Anyone can make statements and judgements all day.

[@markmtbrider]

Time for you to get a gold or silver coin from Texas plinking.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Would I go do it ? Sure With a factory rifle? Sure With “factory ammo “ no Without practice? No

[@Maxwell98482]

Interview ONEILLOPS

[@stephencooper5040]

I would definitely love to see your video debunking this.

[@dylanwebster9212]

Should of left out the taylor swift part to save the embarrassment 😂 guns and taylor swift paraphinalia is priceless lmfao

[@txpredatorhunting]

He’s not embarrassed I assure you. 😆

[@tphpodcast]

If you ever see a picture of a Taylor Swift Album and a Minigun, that was me - Fitzy

[@dylanwebster9212]

😂 keep up the good content guys! Looking forward to your future videos!

[@jamesboyce9186]

6mm arc ammo for ar-15's when?

[@txpredatorhunting]

Soon

[@jamesboyce9186]

@@txpredatorhunting how about a little sooner? lol

[@BAYRAKTAR_MAN]

Geoff nemnich has a whole lot of video evidence of him running a big old leupold bridged onto the quad rail of that Daniel defense with scope rings just saying lmao. I also can’t shoot a runnin dog like that MF so there’s that.

[@dandexinventor]

No way am I getting the same accuracy from a pencil barrel as a gunner, modified, bull, so ya, it's the rifle sometimes, lol

[@txpredatorhunting]

It’s always the rifle. 😉

[@Soildus]

The title of his video is "The 1 MOA Hoax" but spends most of his time talking about rifles not shooting sub moa... BTW Im not the greatest shooter my no means but my factory 6.5cm Aero Precision AR can do 1 MOA with factory hornady 140g ELD at 100 yards. lol

[@jonathanbennison9220]

1:25:48 No... You definitely can be that obsessed with data analysis, And be 'that wrong' Because we have to accept one thing. We don't know everything. Ie. We don't have all of the data. Like, never. Right. So, we either accept the 'unknown variables' within our experiment, Or more often, to move forward, we make various assumptions. Then testing should reveal how accurate, or inaccurate, those assumptions were. Hopefully. But it only ever takes one faulty assumption, or one unknown variable, to skew the interpretation of the data. And even the most practiced, passionate, committed scientist or mathematician, can fall prey to human error. In the case of the video you've been reviewing, Several 'assumptions' are made in the accuracy equation, and we can see how many variables remain. Its absolutely possible, and all too frequent for intelligent persons with , scientific intentions to present wild conclusions from seemingly valid data. Its absolutely possible.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

Should check out backfires recent bear hunt. Guy is very jerky when setting up and executing his shot, which he made a poor shot btw. And other hunts where he made bad shots due to his own shooter error.

[@LowSpeedHighDrag5]

I would definitely watch you diagnose shooters

[@markmtbrider]

Lol if she is a voice of a generation , that explains a lot of why we are ,where we are right now ....beyond all that , first 25 shots with 3 differnt types of ammo, my 204 Ruger AP , shot right at 1moa with 32gr horn supe perform ,5 shot group, the others slighlt over moa . Outdoor range ,no wind. Good enough for me to start out with....

[@backfire]

Hey y’all! Wow! Haven’t ever even had the pleasure of meeting you guys and you’re already dedicating an hour and a half of your life to bitching about me? That’s a pretty toxic approach to life, bro! 😂 Wish you guys could get past the petty personal attacks and straw man arguments because I would like to hear more of your thoughts on the SUBSTANCE of this debate. I enjoy learning from people who know their stuff. Best of luck with your channel. I’m a new subscriber, but the first couple episodes I’ve listened to have included demeaning comments about a few really cool people in the industry who are personal friends. So hopefully you can disagree on the substance of their arguments without just coming off looking pompous. I sincerely hope you have a great day and hope to bump into you around the industry at some point so I can change your mind about me. Or perhaps I’ll just confirm your current thoughts, LOL.

[@revolutionanarchy713]

Calm down backfire. Guess you weren’t taught growing up to not have your feelings on your sleeves. 😢

[@Chonkasaurus]

​@@revolutionanarchy713I think the only thing he was taught is how to rush his shots and gut shot a black bear...

[@karlcain1068]

Blue v. White Collar @backfire You going to let these Dirty Hands get away with this?😂 I love America!

[@arkoutarkout3654]

That a good Alex impersonation

[@TheEDCTribe]

I too have seen Taylor Swift live, 2010 Fearless tour, it was dope.

[@tphpodcast]

Heck yeah! I went to the Reputation Tour in Arlington, that was a great show. Haters gonna hate - Fitzy

[@IMeleemaker]

She played at a county fair we had back in 07 and it was not the greatest

[@AnthonysOutdoors]

Let's be honest with that dude. He is trying to find every excuse as to why he's bad at shooting. I've watched a bunch of his videos. He is fucking terrible at shooting in general, let alone groups.