Backfire Fires Back | TPH74

"Join us in this episode of The TPH Podcast as we dive into a fascinating discussion with Wade Chandler. We're addressing a thought-provoking comment from content producer Backfire regarding our reaction video to his 'One MOA Hoax' video on his channel. Get ready for an insightful conversation that delves into precision shooting, facts, and the intricacies of firearm accuracy."

[@mikecross2435]

I would love to see you go to the range and preform the same experiment. Prove him wrong instead of just talking.

[@txpredatorhunting]

The reality is it’ll just prove us correct, it’s not the rifles. But we are figuring out how to do it properly.

[@K-bob_45]

@@txpredatorhuntingget a few rifles in the same caliber, grab maybe 3 types of ammo, and go lay down 3 or 5 shot groups, depending on what the mfg guarantees. Pretty simple

[@mikecross2435]

Don't use a bunch of custom or factory custom rifles with non hunting profile barrels. No rear bag, just a bi-pod, factory ammo. It needs to be what the average Joe shoots. Say $1500 msrp and below. Tikka Savage, Bergara... Can't wait to see you prove him wrong.@@txpredatorhunting

[@cameronbaker7959]

@@txpredatorhunting Better yet invite Jim to experience the experiment

[@justincook8337]

I agree with a shootout! Same rifles. Same ammo lots. Winner gets the rights to the shit talking!!

[@michaelcerrone1482]

1st off, Wade and Fitzy's toxicity, is the whole reason I watch and listen to these guys! Secondly, I do subscribe to backfire as well, because we all need a good laugh, lol! That guy is almost as bad as Fitzy's T-Swizzle obsession! 😂😂

[@txpredatorhunting]

I’m glad you said Fitz was the toxic one!😉😆

[@michaelcerrone1482]

@@txpredatorhunting 😂😂

[@tphpodcast]

@@txpredatorhunting It's me, Hi, I'm the problem it's me.

[@kasinger311]

@@tphpodcast swifty fans are just sus. Or is me? Hi, I’m the problem, it’s me 😂

[@chadillac95]

I get a good laugh out of these guys when they make fun of channels like backfire. I don't need their clickbait crap

[@kalcolt744]

Wade just said the quiet part out loud 90 percent of gun writers are below average shooters and really don't know anything. Backfire really doesn't know much you can tell in his gun reviews.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

Jim's comments and hunting videos also display his inexperience. For example his recent bear hunting video. Very jerky and rushed in his execution, placed his shot poorly on a small bear and eventually recovered it the next day. Then in the comments blames the cartridge and claims it isn't enough for bear.

[@Chonkasaurus]

Backfire lost me with his MOA vs MRAD video. He seems very amateur but talks smart. 😊

[@Chonkasaurus]

​@NorthRiverGuide he's pretty bad at being smooth and calmly taking shots. Just watch his triggerpull its so rushed. I've seem him do it in an elk video. I had to watch the bear video to see what you mentioned and he totally gut shot that bear. Totally his execution of the shot and terrible practice at long range and not the 6.5cm that caused a slow takedown.

[@RockinRack]

I think he knows more than most. He lacks real world experience though. Most people get book smarts or common sense. I think hes got the book smarts. He can read and put together some informative shit. But cant really put it to action

[@nospam3409]

I've spent 30 years hunting and competing in multiple disciplines at both local and national levels. I don't always agree with the conclusions on backfires channel, but I can understand why they come to this conclusion. His content has useful content for people who want to learn something. These guys seem like a pair of high school kids who think they are experts on everything because they killed a deer one time with equipment their rich daddy bought them, on a hunting preserve their dad's friend owns. I have no problem with talking crap to each other. That's not what these guys are doing. These guys are trying to elevate themselves at someone else's experience. That's something totally different.

[@jgsnipe1]

So wouldn’t the real test be taking a rifle that’s known to shoot 1/4,1/2 Moa and put it into a bunch of different shooters hands and test the shooter?

[@zsteinle]

I love it and backfire is so very annoying! Found your podcast/videos recently and I am enjoying every minute. Keep it up! Coming from all bolt guns, looking to get into a 22 ARC ar and the videos have been very helpful. Thanks

[@Trinitystillmyname]

I watch this podcast because of this unique format. Truth hurts sometimes. Please do not change TPH format.

[@txpredatorhunting]

💯

[@theproudamerican1967]

It's definitely a combination of shooter, rifle, and ammo. I have 2 buddies each have Remington 770 rifles, one in 300 win mag and the other is in 270 win. Each were shooting their respective rifles around 3.5moa at 100yds with factory ammo. Each shooter shoots less than 150 rounds a year. Each rifle had the factory stock with the cheap 3-9 scope as sold from the store. I shoot 4000-5000 rounds a year. I was able to shoot each rifle consistently just over 2moa. I worked with each guy and their rifle. First set the barreled actions in Boyd's Prarie hunter stocks that are pillar bedded. Then rest the scope rails bedded in loctite and properly torqued. One guy selected a Bushnell engage 4-16, and the other selected a Athlon helos 4-20. Both scopes are first focal plane with illumination, and locking turrets. For their respective prices I was impressed with the glass quality and functionality of each scope. Once the upgrades were done and using the same factory ammo each guy preferred I was able to consistently shoot each rifle just under 1moa for 10 five shot groups. The 2 guys however were shooting just over 2 moa. One has dedicated more time to shooting and can now consistently shoot just over 1moa. The other guy shoots more than he used but not as much as the other and he has improved to around 1.5moa with his rifle/ammo. I developed a handload for the 270win that has consistently shot 5 shot groups under .5moa. All shooting has been done on a flat range at 100yds prone supported. None of us can be called true 1moa shooters. I shared this to highlight that all factors matter.

[@kasinger311]

Main thing from this…. Junk glass… ur rifle is only as good as the glass u look through period.

[@davidlukeman1546]

Some people live in the “everyone wins” “everyone gets a trophy” world, fuck all that , I love the in your face platform you guys have. Love the shit talking and “toxicity” ! Keep up the good work “bro” ! 😂 Still waiting on the 6ARC varmint ammo Wade ! C’mon “bro” ! 😂

[@coreymoyers5771]

This is crazy to hear. I have never seen a cold bore shot be any different than the next one. I was always unsure why everyone had a different result until you explained it like that.

[@mack325]

The sarcasm in between the serious portions is exquisite 👌. Subscribed.

[@DuoBart0n]

I want to say the first time I saw one of this videos was back in 21 before he blew up. I watched a couple of his videos and they were alright but I never fully agreed with the info he was putting out. Now he has exploded and I just can’t understand why.

[@mattacedo]

Backfire it’s a rich preppy dude who does gun reviews. I watch his videos he had to grow on me, but dude just has a corny ass vibe about him. I wouldn’t want him on sitting on a coyote stand with me 😂😂😂 … your not off base at all, he’s like that kid with the rich parents we all have but don’t really like that much but we are still their friend 😂😂😂

[@TEAMPHANTOMDAWGS]

Yup lol

[@sweetteaoutdoors]

Yeah always whining..... "You can't shoot 1 MOA which a heavy 2 pound trigger..." WTF learn how how to shoot Backdoor.... Def comes off as a preppy, soy eating wannabe "expert." I think many of the people watch him, like me, for comedy relief. No way someone can have that many rifles shoot that bad.

[@snapcrack55]

I think he is likable but probably bumps up the enthusiasm for content creator sake.

[@MrWallaland]

My thoughts on backfire’s video: it was pointed at educating people on terms and conditions (that no one reads except anal retentive people like myself). If I have the purpose of the video correct I don’t agree with the delivery. All warranties read like these rifle warranties. They are for marketing sales and give warranty to only a small percentage of situations. Just read your new truck’s warranty on mpg. Grammy will get better mpg than 16 year old Timmy in the same truck. My opinion is that the mechanical device and the person using it make up a system. Change just one and the system changes. This applies to a lot. You can’t leave out the person when measuring ability/performance.

[@snapcrack55]

^^^This! I think Wade missed the point of Backfire's video and I believe you(Wade) are both kinda saying the same thing. Hear me out... He is saying that there are lots of factors why most "guns" can't shoot 1 moa. If you listen closely he is saying most people THINK the gun will shoot 1 moa AND ignore all the steps to achieve that 1 moa. He does suggest that most guns are CAPABLE of getting 1 moa, BUT you need the right ammo, a good scope, the right wind, the correct shooting form and discipline, etc.

[@tallyho6156]

This is great entertaining and educational! A+

[@projectcikala1943]

Always great content. Y’all’s B role really makes the videos real. West Texas trapper

[@adrianbennett7305]

Keep bringing this amazing content! I’ve learned a lot and or a different perspective of some things!

[@marcosjimenez80]

Jims criteria was 100 yards, cold bore, factory rifle with no mods. I wouldn't consider myself a good shooter and I can recall shooting an inch group with a cheap Bear Creek Arsenal 6.5 grendel upper.

[@thelonggunner762]

Im glad you guys made that video! The truth hurts sometimes 😂. I thought about making a video opposing his claims but nobody watches my cannel so it would fall on deaf ears. He can take his fake flight attendant personality and start writing out $50 checks to people who can actually shoot.😂 keep up the good work gentlemen!

[@rogersreview]

I think a huge asset in helping smooth out the “cold bore” shooter flinch is a good, quality suppressor. Reducing recoil, sound, and flash is tremendously helpful when trying to shoot well - for the inexperienced and experienced shooter alike.

[@tphpodcast]

Absolutely agreed. We don’t like to shoot unsuppressed pretty much ever.

[@colbydavis6873]

Yes, I think you should put it together. I want to hear the results. I’m excited I love listening to this.

[@806Guns]

We need a video of wade shooting a off the shelf rifle with factory ammo !

[@Trinitystillmyname]

Do not apologize for anything. Truth is truth

[@JimmyJr-dy8cr]

Hey, I love your pompousness and toxicity. You are also correct about the cold bore being a myth. Keep it real, honest and keep laughing. Thanks for a great podcast.

[@jamescapps7757]

Love it. Every other episode should be calling other folks out on their bullshit. It’s where y’all shine. For the experiment, take a factory Bergara, Springfield, etc….(rifle that will shoot). Wade shoots it to prove accuracy is sub moa. Then have the customers shoot the same rifle/ammo combination. It will eliminate the rifle variable and show that it really is the shooters fault most of the time.

[@mckimmym]

What powder and primer are you using for your 6 arc loads? I’ve set aside some SW precision rifle, Accurate 2520, CFE223 and BLC-2. For primers I’ve got cci 41 and Federal gold metal match. Can’t wait to start testing after I shoot up my 300 rds of factory ammo

[@txpredatorhunting]

I’ve used them all. What we are loading I’ll have to keep close to the chest.

[@mckimmym]

@@txpredatorhunting Damn, you sound like you’re trying to run a business and make a profit or somethin.

[@txpredatorhunting]

@@mckimmym something like that. 😉

[@slappymcdope]

That dryfire practice "calm down" procedure sounds like cheap, good advice to me. Going to try it out. I am familiar with the first-round jitter personally and also believe it is the reason for the "cold bore" phenomenon more often than not. Also, how do you guys have so few subs? Good show, good info...all a feller needs.

[@userJohnSmith]

I've always wondered about this. I had a rifle, that when the bite was cold was a 1min gun. Second shot it moved up and to the right 6min, then 8 then a 2-4min cluster from there. Once it cooled down, back to accurate. Not exactly the usual experience.

[@Nicomachean_Man]

Thanks for addressing my comment and to your response I say fair enough. Admittedly I only watched backfire’s video once and my take away from it wasn’t a studied response. Humor aside my opinion on “is the moa guarantee a hoax” is your statement at 27:54 is correct. Both are true simultaneously. The best way to operate as a shooter is to first assume you’re at fault. But, I also don’t want to buy from a company that is going to tell me it’s just my fault when I get a lemon…and there are more than one company that will do so. After all it says right on their website their product shoots 1 moa so it must be the shooter’s problem. I’m not saying companies are intentionally sending bad product out. I’m only saying I expect a company to stand by their guarantee when the eventual lemon is put out without requiring the customer to spend hundreds of dollars on various ammos with video documentation to prove the gun is at fault.

[@cadillacvelocity]

Remember when we use to play "Smear the qweer" in elementary school? Man I miss the good old days!🤣🤣🤣🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸

[@ThinkSoberly]

Now it’s cheer the queer pc “bro”

[@KR-ts8yh]

A lot of times I come on here just to laugh, and you didn't fail me today .

[@petergoertzen5658]

Is there a way to sign up with email for when 6 mm arc comes out on y’all’s website?

[@mikeelshoff1591]

Im listening to ur podcast as i load some arc keep up the good work

[@theLeadGin]

What if @backfire sends one of his personal rifles that he says doesn't meet the 1MOA guarantee to Wade with a box of the ammo he used. That way we can see if it is the shooter, or if Wade's groups end up close to backfire's groups, then Wade can test other loads to see if it's ammo.

[@tphpodcast]

We thought about doing the inverse of that. Basically rifle Flat Stanley 😂

[@theLeadGin]

@@tphpodcasthaha 👍

[@txpredatorhunting]

Send it!

[@BasementOps]

This only one way to resolve this. A PRS match or a Predator Hunt match. Lets goooo!!!!

[@kriswarren6202]

Wade is my spirit animal. I want a little fuzzy Wade troll doll or like a Wade bobble head. I don't even fkn like bobble heads. Wade is the only reason I watch this.

[@stevenbradley2245]

I really like the cold shooter idea. I always shoot better after I’ve sent a few rounds down range. That’s why I always try to have a few extra rounds to warm up at the range.

[@tphpodcast]

In every other discipline that involves any level of physicality, warming up is always crucial.

[@Michaeldpress14]

Please make fun of more people in the industry 🙏🏼

[@txpredatorhunting]

😂 We probably will, and including ourselves from time to time.

[@LowSpeedHighDrag5]

Trust Bryan Litz…. Wade is a close second. In Wade we trust! I trust Elmo on meth more than I trust backfire Jim.

[@msb2948]

Backfire uses cheap Chinese knives as their sponsors! WTF? Tells all I need to know about his gun ethos. Backfire is a young city esquire wanting to be a gun goo-roo and he is attempting this with his money and not his firearms experience. Love this TPH podcast!

[@user-iq2vb4sf2j]

You guys are absolutely right! I can shoot 2 sub-MOA groups, then the third is 2MOA! I know it’s me. I really enjoy your perspective and the fun you have during the video. And I DO shoot a lot!

[@GetOutdoorsDIY]

I'm so damn glad i found this podcast about the backfire video. I was thinking the same thing. I own enough to know that with testing, it's not hard to get ragged one hole groups with damn near any rifle these days. My shitty howa 1500 varmint rifle could definitely make him edit me out of the video to try and prove a point 😂

[@Smash17751]

Yes if you do a test I will come from az to midland and bring my old Springfield 30-06 pump action deer rifle

[@MrSonic1953]

I think that when you say, "hunting rifle", the first thing that comes to my mind is a traditional hunting rifle.

[@ronws2007]

Just for clarification, his name is Jim Harmer. The H is silent, like the P in swimming.

[@dremc94]

On this episode of "That's not real hunting" Your rifle is too accurate

[@Rico11b]

A few years ago I decided to go custom build, and I haven't been happier. I get exactly what I want in every component and I know the components are perfect, or at least a lot closer to perfect than mass produced rifles. Go into a gun shop and pick up several mass produced rifles off the shelf and inspect the barrels with a borescope. You'll be SHOCKED by how HORRIBLE the bores are. Take the action to a gunsmith and have them true it up and get everything square. You'll be surprised by how bad the actions are on mass produced rifles. I'll never buy off the shelf rifles ever again.

[@ericanderson7936]

Do something defining a hunting rifle with backfire.

[@eddieoakley5245]

Y’all should definitely run something at Ally. You could base it off the NRL Hunter divisions.

[@AlejandroRodriguez-og3vh]

Love the vibe of this video reminds me and my boys on deployment shit talking. Earned a sub form me!

[@txpredatorhunting]

Thanks for your service .

[@jeffreywilson690]

I hunt with my Ruger RPR,i just don't want to carry it very far

[@JustinClifford22]

Yes y’all should. I’m all in. I don’t like ppl but Ill make the trip from Oklahoma

[@michaelficarro2591]

Pretty sure I just found my new favorite You Tube channel......

[@boomcountryhydro]

You guys are just like our crew we give each other and everyone a hard time even if we dont know them 😂 it doesnt mean we dont like you ! If you guys are going to be at shot We need to have a cold one 🍻!

[@flux_core_fx]

That video did a fantastic job of getting a ton of views and generating a lot of chatter. A lot of popular videos seem to resonate with the general population: youre perfect the way you are, just keep buying shit. Lol

[@ronws2007]

And yes, do a hunting rifle comparison or accuracy test.

[@snapcrack55]

I think you missed the point of Backfire's video and I believe you are both kinda saying the same thing. Hear me out... He is saying that there are lots of factors why most "guns" can't shoot 1 moa. If you listen closely he is saying most people THINK the gun will shoot 1 moa AND ignore all the steps to achieve that 1 moa. He does suggest that most guns are CAPABLE of getting 1 moa, BUT you need the right ammo, a good scope, the right wind, the correct shooting form and discipline, etc.

[@mr.mr.3301]

Oh, I would like to see Wade and Jim use the exact same rifle, ammunition, etc. and just hand it off back-and-forth. Maybe add a few other shooters using the exact same rifle in ammunition just to see the difference in shooter.

[@snapcrack55]

I only found out about your channel while looking for 22 Creedmoor info. If you collaborate with Backfire, all his viewers will know about your channel! And I bet he would genuinely be interested in your shooting instruction.

[@treybeauregard5321]

Announce it on the podcast and do a 24hr flash sale with a code, leave it showing sold out unless you have the code.

[@sethmatherne7012]

I vote you named substance, but a competition is indisputable once complete.

[@tbrown91241]

I've met him he will just validate your thoughts.

[@txpredatorhunting]

😂

[@tbrown91241]

Yall should watch the reloadingweatherby fucktard

[@lawnfarmr399]

Gday fellas, just wondering do you actually have any data written down on what the average group size is for the factory rifles you’ve tested with factory ammo? You seem fairly confident that it’s less than 1MOA but as far as I can workout unless you actually have a fairly consistent written record of all the groups you’ve shot, it’s pretty hard to overcome selection bias with statements like this. I’ve heard a couple of people in the industry now (Joseph von Benedict, Jayden Quinlen) say that 1 moa three shot average accuracy is what you should expect or even above average, so I’d like to know what your basing your contradictory opinion on.

[@samsgreen1]

You need to cover the video of the marine he had out to challenge his bet. It needs to be at least an hour and a half episode.

[@tphpodcast]

Stay tuned for this Thursday 😉

[@samsgreen1]

@tphpodcast can't wait! Just left MT for NC so I have to yote hunt vicariously thru you guys until I find somewhere to hunt here.

[@Justaintthere]

Tolerance stacking

[@donnewcomb2873]

Y’all need to mention the disclaimer about the first 14:46 minutes where y’all talk about “that skank” 😂😂

[@DA-xg4qu]

The Backfire guy is a Lawyer so that should explain everything you need to know about him

[@Dlust88]

Is backfire the reason yall made the video about what yall do when you buy a new rifle? Or did that video come out first?

[@justinseeton5240]

I think it would be cool to make a video with multiple different bolt action hunting rifles. Find what loads they like before you shoot and show Jim that either yes its the rifle or yes it's the shooter. Then come up with the conclusion of who was right.

[@benbreakfast4314]

Measure the shooter instead: have 2 people shoot a group with the same rifle to verify accuracy, then let people shoot that rifle and ammo to measure actual skill.

[@matthewgibson264]

I've worked at a gun store and shooting range for the past 9 years and 90% of the time, its that the individual doesn't shoot well at all, or understands how to shoot period

[@danvincent8488]

I genuinely enjoy listening to yalls toxicity. Dont change, merica

[@blarsen8]

Call it peer reviews

[@wheelzandgillz]

Ill watch his videos but I would never take his input for actual advice on anything shooting related.

[@lcplschaeffer]

Bad form fellas. Classy response from Backfire.

[@tphpodcast]

It was a very classy and measured response, clearly from someone who has their stuff together and is secure in themselves.

[@trentroberdeau1462]

you sound like a Karen …

[@marksexsmith8076]

For me I would say the lighter the rifle the crappier the trigger the more influence the shooter has on the rifle the better the shooter needs to be especially if the recoil is significant and And a light rifle with no muzzle break or suppressor

[@Modern_capability]

I think Jim is a good guy and I don't think he was trying to intentionally bullshit y'all. Honestly you should invite him on the podcast. he probably would come on!

[@travispurdy4773]

Speaking of 22 creed at the end…How about get the book out? Take my money.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Postponed at the moment.

[@1bobharvey]

I think I agree with Jim's take that most people at a range who think they can shoot a 5 shot 1 moa group with a "factory big game hunting rifle" on command cannot. Now you switch that to small caliber centerfires aka .243/6.5creed/.22 creed/22-250/ect and I think people just shoot better and the number of people who could shoot tight groups goes up. But I also think he did himself a dis-service in the video by talking predominantly about manufacturer "guarantees" instead of the real fundamental reason most guys factory hunting rifle set up isn't punching a moa group of holes into paper 5 times at 100. Some times it seems like it is super easy to get a rifle and it just shoots out of the box. The first ammo you try in it is the one it likes, and you are one your game that day. But I have had rifles that 4 different options later I found something I could live with when I was doing my part for group size or it just finally "got broken in" and started shooting better. Although I agree with your take as it is similar to mine. The number 1 reason is the shooter not doing their job (doesn't mean they cant, just that they are not for that group). 2 that ammo may be "quality ammo" but it doesn't mean your rifle will shoot the best group it can shoot with it over another option or a custom tailored handload just for that rifle. 3 the optic may not be mounted properly for the shooter/scope/rings. 4 the rifle may just be too new and not broken in (hell I ran 100 rounds of Remington core lock through a new rifle the other day to break it in before I even attempted to sight it in with the ammo I wanted to use in it for hunting). And 5 once all other options have been exhausted it might be something to do with the rifle. In which case its probably easier to go have a good gunsmith look it over to determine what's up and maybe send it back.

[@ThinkSoberly]

True I have a bear creek arsenal 6.5 Grendal barrel that shoots .5 moa

[@djl0fne]

Backfire is a cool dude

Interesting Cory Tripp instructor at Gunsight Academy says the same thing about "cold bore", the only shot a sniper may have!

[@snapcrack55]

If you want your channel to grow, you definitely should do a collaboration!!!!

[@MrWallaland]

Are you testing starling and hornady brass? Curious if you like one over the other, may not make a difference too. I like the banter and opinions, keep it up. I’m probably not right in the head, guess I can blame that on my up bringing 😂

[@txpredatorhunting]

Our ammo will be in starline . I have no problems with either. That said I wish alpha would hurry up and come out with 6 arc.

[@MrWallaland]

Thanks!@@txpredatorhunting

[@caseymoody2223]

as a reloader i am not a fan of starline brass, the primer pockets loosen up much sooner than every other brass i have shot. this was a couple years ago so could have changed since then but when compared to other brass that i was able to get 8-10 reloads before the primer pocket became too loose to starline that i was getting 4-5 shots. i was competition shooting at the time and shooting lots and having to buy new brass in half the amount of shots gets pretty expensive over the course of a year.

[@mrsmith7232]

Wade, you are Hysterical, dont change a bit. You are correct, most all modern rifles will and do shoot a minimum of 1 MOA and normally better than that with decent factory ammo. The problem is with the shooter and if you get them amped up by watching/engaging them with cameras for a pod cast, they will shoot worse.

[@terrancecomey2732]

That guy and others just put out boring videos to cater to new shooters,that shit bores me to tears.Wade is cool …fisty,I can do without😂

[@leuveu6610]

fisty does add to the conversation now and then, when he can restrain himself from endlessly talking over Wade or mocking him. he's like one of those little yap dogs that just won't stop ...waste of time ensues.

[@snapcrack55]

Off the shelf rifles and factory ammo.

[@sethboyce9832]

All my rifles would be considered hunting rifles. They’re just off the shelf rifles. From 17 hmr to 7 mag. Quite a few savages, ruger, howa, cva, sako, bergara… I handload and it’s pretty easy. Have had a few over the years that didn’t shoot that great. Got rid of them. Also some have been picky and had to keep trying different loads but for the most part can take just about any decent bolt action rifle off the shelf and have it shooting that with very little load development.

[@timothykeebaugh2472]

Its a combination of everything but I believe the shooter is the most impactful. The ammo is the 2nd impactful. The rifle is the 2nd but every rifle shoots differently. I have had rifles that actually shoot better groups out a warmer barrel and a slightly dirty barrel. I have a 6.5 prc that holds worse groups once you run a cleaning patch through it. Takes first 2 shoots seem to be wild cards.

[@PullingRugs]

The issue with KZbinrs, is that most seem to be sycophantic hobbyists that are self taught with no real experience. That’s why you hear some wild takes and they can’t shoot until their 50th professional firearm review lmao

[@JVR-gd7zw]

I think it was commenting on his kid needing a better teacher that got him. My friend group is all about talking sh!t, but kids and women are off limits. New girls get both barrels as we try to run them off.

[@michaelcerrone1482]

Definitely start up a similar challenge. I would love to for the predator hunting community to flex skills. I truly believe guys who shoot more often at night, either under nods, clip-ons, and thermals, have a better understanding of shooting habits, and better gear/ skills. Make the announcement on all your platforms, invite people from all walks, with all sorts of gear. Let's see how hard we can prove theories here.

[@michaelcerrone1482]

Also, I think doing 2 rounds, with factory ammo and custom loads, would be an awesome comparison, especially with not as experienced shooters

[@kennethmyers613]

I do not see any difference in velocity or accuracy with a cold bore shot, but I do see a velocity difference with the first shot out of a clean barrel. My 243 runs 3158 out of a clean bore and 3190 after that first shot. This doesn't affect group size at shorter distances, but I do allow for the slower velocity of a clean bore If the first varmint I'm targeting is at a longer range. I have a 7 Rem Mag that runs close to 100 FPS slower on the first shot out of a clean barrel. Again, no change to group size at 100 yards. So, the 7 Rem Mag always goes hunting with a dirty barrel.

[@HaydonHolcomb]

I remember seeing one of his videos and he was shooting like a milk jug or something and just before shooting it the camera dies and he put text on the video stating it died and I was joking but I was like he missed that shit 😂

[@chasenwolford1922]

Just use NRL Hunter Factory class rules, why leave it up to further interpretation and gerrymandering.

[@shooter-observer1]

yea it totally makes no sense for manufacturers to put out a product that is not as precise and accurate a tool as possible when they have the means to do it. It would only benefit the manufacturer to put out the most precise work possible if they are interested in selling more!

[@AnthonysOutdoors]

If that were the case, there'd be no reason for hand loading and custom rifle builders. Companies are in the business of making money. They will put out a product they believe is good enough for the general user. Most shooters aren't as good as they think they are and gun makers know it. They can get away with a mediocre product for the majority of shooters and they'd never know the difference.

[@shooter-observer1]

@@AnthonysOutdoors but on the other hand I have picked up Savage rifles and Ruger rifles, budget hunting rifles, off the shelf and have achieved under 1 inch groups *with the right ammo*. and also, that was factory ammo.

[@shooter-observer1]

I even had a shitty savage axis with clunky action that grouped consistently with the right factory load 😂

[@shooter-observer1]

I have a Howa barreled action that shoots lights out and I paid less than 400 for it. platforms like the Ruger American have made a name for themselves for performing at this level, I regularly shoot sub moa with factory loads with my Rugers, CVA, and Howa.

[@shooter-observer1]

@@AnthonysOutdoorsI would argue that those that are handloading for hand fit custom rigs are striving for consistent 1/4” groups, and are likely in the competition realm of shooting. Other than that, a more expensive factory rifle will have better components all around like the stock, bolt shroud etc or youre paying for the name *cough* Sig. With something like a Ruger you are paying for the cold hammer forged barrel and chunky receiver, which is offered for a low price having a cheap stock with a plastic trigger guard and so on.

[@michaelbaumann7562]

I would say just a factory rifle any accessories

[@stephencooper5040]

As far as quality long range hunting/shooting content is concerned… there’s y’all and there’s Rex who was WAY early to that game… but arguably Rex’s stuff is not at all about hunting.

[@txpredatorhunting]

Rex is probably single handed responsible for the influx of “long range shooters” some time ago. He’s og !

[@mr.mr.3301]

One of the issues I have is factory rifles claim 1 moa using match bullets. You should not hunt with that stuff. Hunting ammo tends a to be less accurate.

[@bjb4493]

Invite him down for a podcast, maybe settle it on the range

[@j8n330]

I think you should have a thing, invite Ol Backfire, bring some guns, factory “hunting” rifles and some PRS or other type competition guns, and do a thing kindof like he did. Although I fully understand your “pettiness”, Not petty… like sorry not sorry… I dont think there would be any animus towards him and I think it would be pretty cool to actually have a sub-MOA gun that would remove the bad rifle component to test the shooter, and have some factory rifles that would further test a shooter, just to kinda settle this a bit

[@dominicteresi3835]

You guys are great. Great content