Wahoo Speedplay POWRLINK ZERO Power Meter: Announcement Analysis

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Wahoo has just announced their plans to release a Speedplay based based power meter this summer (2021), following their acquisition of Speedplay 18 months ago. This new dual-sided/dual-sending power meter will be branded the Wahoo POWRLINK ZERO (like PowerLink, but without a vowel, per Wahoo tradition).
In this video I dive into all the core questions you have, based on the limited information given to date. Here's your friendly chapters:
0:00 Speedplay overview
0:40 POWRLINK Zero Specs
1:12 Spindle & Weight
3:55 Accuracy considerations
5:44 Pricing estimates
6:31 Battery life
7:57 Cycling Dynamics
8:49 Speedplay Licensing
11:42 Wrap-up
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[@mudbone59]

It's about time someone come out with a dual-sided-road pedal based power meter. I started using Speedplay only because it's a dual-sided-road pedal and grew to love them. Can't wait to check these out!

[@mlegrand]

Great insight into the announcement Ray! Bringing up the shadows on that picture never even crossed my mind. 🤣 I’m really looking forward to power meter season and learning more about these speedplay pods this summer! ☀️

[@Dcrainmaker]

Haha...I literally spend my entire day in Lightroom it feels like, with every single photo I'm dragging up the shadows. Someone asks me to look at any photo and I'm like: Drag up them shadows!

[@mlegrand]

@@Dcrainmaker - Sounds like you need to make a one off super dark moody photo to add to your collection of shadowless photos at some point!

[@garthmci7914]

Great run through. Can’t wait to see them finally launched

[@youbi179]

I hope they make it more affordable. Power to the people!

[@smithe68]

I have wanted a speedplay based per meter for years! Thanks for sharing.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Ask and you shall (hopefully) receive!

[@mattiasandersson3444]

buy some new powermetercranks and then and mount your speedplays on voila

[@rkan2]

Took them about 12 years to figure out patent, trademark and other issues lol!! (remember Metrigear...)

[@tonymckeage1028]

Great Wahoo Speedplay Vlog, thanks for sharing

[@deanwaller1029]

If only we could get the seemingly impossible SPD-SL power meter pedal!

[@Dcrainmaker]

One can dream!

[@CycoWarriorx]

+1 on this...

[@matkrek]

Favero is rumoured to make one

[@leezavarise]

This would be amazing. Get on it Shimano!

[@gamecat1923]

shimano-compatibility-2021.jpg :)

[@DavidWard14]

Thanks for this Ray. Love your work so much, I am a paid subscriber. I do suggest that you switch from seasonal references to something more universal, like quarters. When you say Summer, I am thinking around Xmas. But I think you don't mean that? It just gets confusing. Thanks mate!

[@SimoneChiaretta]

I just serviced my PowerTap P1, so it should last till end 2021. I guess I’ll wait next winter to buy a new power meter pedal, and see what’s coming up. Either a new sram/quarq (ex PowerTap) model or this one. I’m a generally wahoo fan, and all my bike setup is wahoo when possible. Thx as usual for sharing.

[@greedyman167]

Great Vlog! - Dp you have any news on anyone coming out with a 2-bolt power meter? I have a great 2020 Lynskey Pro GR, but the GRX Crank arm does not fit with the chain stay make up.

[@clintnaquin1298]

Any updates on the Wahoo Powerlink Zero? Thought they were going to be available this summer. Well summer is on its way out and no word, that I’ve seen, from Wahoo. Thanks

[@LewisRawlinson30]

Now I'm wondering if I could pull the spindles out of my Favero Assioma pedals and slide on a speedplay body. We've already seen it done with xpedo SPD bodies, thanks to gplama.

[@coguy1987]

I have been interested in Speedplay because of the ability to adjust q-factor with varying spindle length. Any word on that ability being included in the Powerlink Zero?

[@philgregory7558]

Ray, to me the pod design looks a lot like the pods on my Assiomas, right down to the charging lights on the edge of the pods. What are the chances we find they just licensed the favero design and applied it to the speedplay pedal/spindle?

[@StefanPfetzing]

Nice workbench, I actually do have the same one from Küpper in my basement! 👍

[@dattracta]

I need these!

[@tomaszandersen6440]

Hi, have you got any information when i can buy it? Last week of summer and still not avaible ;(

[@mathewjames4137]

didn't the Garmin Vector pedals start in Speedplay pedals before Garmin bought the company. I think they used strain gauges in the hollow Speedplay axle with a pod on the crank held on by the spindle and pluged into the end of the spindle, I cannot remember if it was on the front or back of the cranks. Did Speedplay just resurrect this idea or does the pod surround strain gauges on the outside of the axle now?

[@leonbroekx]

I have seen them on GCN's Oliver Bridgewood's bike. I need to know when they will be on the market. Need to train better. That's why I have to buy a powermeter, but I don't want to buy a different one and then find out a few weeks later they release this one.

[@RideWithGerben]

Still hoping on a manufacturer who sell these for a third of the price of these guys. Pedal power meters are still prohibitively expensive. I mean pedals (1000$) that cost a quarter of the total retailprice of a good carbon bike is just nuts.

[@cusebike5391]

It's a heck of a lot cheaper to design a carbon bike than a pedal based power meter. I think Ray covered that pretty well.

[@Henry-gv8gj]

And if you just need left side you can get faviro assioma unos for around $370

[@dan110024]

Idk.. depends what your goals are. My first bike was $1000 and the power meter was $1200.

[@rkan2]

You can get especially used well engineered german made (Power2Max & SRM) power meters for half of that. Have used a Power2Max for 7 years now.

[@petef15]

Just get a stages and be done with it

[@karl8805]

Was sponsored by speedplay many years ago(18) and ran zeros since...there amazing pedals, in fact im still running the exact same pedals now ive just replaced bearings and the bow ties...always said back then they need a PM version...i had to run srm that were heavy and ugly back then

[@adidasbadman]

Can we get pedal stroke analysis from Wahoo on their head units for power meters that support it? That’ll be great. Thanks.

[@mattiasandersson3444]

I have Quarg R/L on my S-works FS EPIC -21 and Stage R/L on my Cervelo S5 -21 works great without problem

[@romainm7147]

Hello, do they improve this up/down little play?

[@torstenfrank1856]

I sure hope they have complete separate teams and resources working on those and on a hopefully rather sooner than later coming successor of the Roam. I would be happy for Speedplay fans if they can lay their hands on such a power meter and even more happy if that would successfully lead to an advance in the field and more diverse pedal systems (like, SPD or whatever) could profit from that one. But I much rather need a successor for my original Wahoo Elemnt and the Roam isn't what I have in mind for that (severe memory limitation and a somewhat dated feature set now that we have 2021 and not 2018 anymore).

[@philippgeering]

What I like about Favero; you can take them apart, manufacture your own spindle adaptor and mount your pedal of preference. I did this three years ago with crank brother pedals on my MTB. Pedaled from Zurich to Sicily with them. Works flawless.

[@RobertsonDCCD]

No way! I will have to check into that. I use them stock for road biking, but have no answer for MTB. Can you go back and forth? Is it any harder/easier on Shimano or Time?

[@philippgeering]

@@RobertsonDCCD Check out „The Machines“ at www.zh2.sv.ch and you will see a picture of what I did. Everything is bolted, so in theory you can switch your pedals as you wish. BTW, accuracy is darn good (

[@OnyxTortoise]

@@philippgeering that link does not work...

[@philippgeering]

@@OnyxTortoise sorry, corrected link; www.zh2sv.ch

[@leee2410]

Any update on the Speedplay Powerlink pedals?

[@jimhansen5395]

IT would be *really* interesting if we found out that Wahoo licensed the technology in the Assioma pods, which is already well established. I mean, the pod looks nearly identical, and it would be difficult to believe that they didn't infringe on some patents putting a similar pod on a speedplay spindle. As a huge fan of Speedplay, and Assioma (I converted a set to MTB/SPD pedals), I'm really excited....

[@julienbouillot6960]

Is the market/volume for speedplay as large as the "Look" style pedals that Garnin or Favero to maintain that price level?.I would still chose speedplay over the vector 3 after using 3 sets over an 18 months period and finally switched to Favero, which have never failed me.

[@robinseibel7540]

I can't wait until you and GPLama release your hands-on reviews of the mythical Favero SPD-SL pedal.

[@codexTu]

Can share more details about?

[@GNX157]

Ray, I spoke with support via email and they said custom length spindles would be available later this year and only thru an authorized speedplay dealer. They will also be making the power pedals in custom spindle lengths but will be even longer wait, and custom spindles would not be upgradable to power pedals after the fact. So if you want custom length spindles it’s going to be a wait, and only in stainless.

[@brightpixeluk]

Well that's my birthday present sorted then!

[@jimpeyton1459]

Thanks as always Ray. I am still trying to find cycling dynamics for my Faveros....is it only on the Garmin world (I have Wahoo). With respect to the Speedplay entrance, could you see Wahoo trying to go low in price to move people to the platform?

[@Dcrainmaker]

While Wahoo could, I really don't think so. Speedplay was always a premium brand, and Wahoo a premium brand. And the updated pricing kills off discounting - which will further raise Speedplay pricing in the EU markets especially.

[@mrrodriguezHLP]

'Yeah I have a drawer full of pedals that just sit there.' What a flex.

[@johncraig5106]

I wonder the effective spindle length? In past always liked to go with the 1/8" longer option to avoid forefoot rub on crankarm (I have large feet).

[@ProfessorSteez]

You know what they say...large feet, large hands!

[@andrew66769]

I'm not the only one that heres the free hub in the background right lmao. It spins for minutes! the friction must be so low!

[@brianjacobson5002]

What's the chance that Wahoo Licensed the pod tech from Favero? The pods look incredibly similar and I would imagine that Favero has patents on their design. Plus it would explain the quick design turnaround time.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Zero chance, from my understanding...

[@LewisRawlinson30]

The next question is could you do a body swap with speedplay bodies like you can with xpedo SPD bodies onto favero assioma spindles?

[@bonn1771]

looking for how much it cost, i love my P1s I know its old but still works for me.

[@morrisizing]

Given the low stack will it be a bit harder to avoid the pod touching the shoe.

[@Fab213]

They are working with favero. Look at their teaser attentively. As always, great and honest video !

[@Dcrainmaker]

What in their teaser suggests Favero?

[@MrBJPitt]

@@Dcrainmaker Spindle looks the same perhaps? Maybe it's just a case of design choice as they like the idea, but the lights are also a hallmark of the Assiomas.

[@mikelohmeyer4140]

Have these been ISO tested ??

[@Zenmartian]

Will it be compatible with the garmin computer?

[@nickc259]

Online they listed that the Zeros come in a couple of different lengths, but I can't seem to find where those are sold....are those coming later in the year?

[@GNX157]

Later this year and not on the web site. Spoke to support via email and they said they’ll be available only thru authorized speedplay dealers.

[@DaGodfaddah]

didn't Shane Miller - @GPLama do his spd hacks w/ the Favero Assioma Duo back in DEC2019 already to show they can work? btw...love my Assiomas. no issues so far since i bought them a year ago.

[@NirreFirre]

Favero assioma uses xpedo axles.. (Longer spindles). GPLama sure did one on how to exchange for some small mtb model yes. I'm buying the Baldwin ones (99% sure they can accommodate the pod) after getting affirmative response from Ken at Xpedo (brand manager) on the axle length and bearings are the same. CXR and M-force use this as well. Assiomas platform are rebranded "Thrust 8" btw

[@herbsmith21]

So as a current speedplay user, would you switch to assiamo or wait for new speedplay ones?

[@Dcrainmaker]

I think it's worthwhile switching till Summer, to see how things end up.

[@greg4318]

Similar to others - It looks like their licensing the pod from Favero as it seems identical and would make sense in terms of development. I have used Speedplay for years but recently on my tri bike moved to Favero for a power based solution. I can say I haven’t had any issues with the Look pedal type Vs Speedplay and the one advantage is the price of the replacement cleats. Anyway great to see another option!

[@Dcrainmaker]

I'd be incredibly surprised if they're licensing the pod from Favero. Plus, there's been many pods over the years (Vector 1/2, Look/KEO, Polar Look/KEO, a few other failed attempts that never made it off the ground, etc...), round is simply the most logical design resultant.

[@timothynelson7569]

@@Dcrainmaker and the identical LED lights? That's a somewhat quirky feature to decide to copy precisely.

[@djconnel]

One thing... there's a fundamental difference between a pedal and cleat based power meter. The direction of propulsion is always the same in a pedal spindle (once it's tightened), while on a cleat it varies continuously thru the pedal stroke: basically a hopeless calibration problem. So pedals are hard, cleats are an order of magnitude harder.

[@Dcrainmaker]

True, though in Barry's case, the issue was more manufacturing than design. It's the same issues that Vector faced for V1 that delayed it years. Also the same issue SRM faced with the X-Power, and others too. Getting yield to an acceptable level is crazy hard.

[@andresmanrique1394]

I love these, good looking and small. Little overpriced but as everything in the bike industry

[@8584zender]

+1 for Assioma. Travels easily, reliable, doesn't seem to care about weather, lightweight.

[@loudless23]

What about the iQsquare pedals? Are they going to be any good? I would assume we can only tell once they ship and people use it but what is the opinion around here?

[@ProfessorSteez]

After 3-4 years of crowdfunding and no product released, I wouldn’t touch them with a 10 foot pole. So many other companies offer great products and back them with reputable customer service.

[@CarlForde]

they've been promising production delivery for far too long. The last 5%, as Ray mentioned, is killing them.

[@Dcrainmaker]

The second set I tested was good. But a year on from that, there's been no meaningful progress in shipping. From people I've talked to, they're deep into a cash-flow issue right now, which is significantly compounding their ability to increase production (you can't pay for production in Asia with a handful of tulips from your Dutch garden). I might dive into it again down the road. But ultimately, I wouldn't recommend anyone purchase IQ2 pedals until they start shipping meaningful quantities of production units (which are also validated).

[@loudless23]

@@Dcrainmaker Thx for insight. I just remembered that the existed but didn't pay them any attention at all.

[@riski21]

Fyi. There is a static noise for this video.. static noise aside great video.. got the assioma and it worked well for me..

[@kyushuyamabushi]

DC Rainmaker, please sell me a set of your old power meter pedals! Great video as always!

[@nationsnumber1chump]

so the o-ring doesn't wear out on those pods? The speedplay appear to be different than the Assioma, in that the axle is fixed along with the pod, instead of pod attached to pedal body. Such as a powertap would, and I suspect water will eventually get behind the o-ring in Assioma?

[@getur99]

There will be an oil seal. Doesn’t matter what the pod is attached to. There will be a bearing interface on the axle that requires a seal

[@Dcrainmaker]

The new pods have a new seal/o-ring that's apparently actually custom designed for the pedal, and thus no long requires greasing.

[@gregorbabic7756]

What o-ring in Assioma pods? Aren't the pods on Assioma pedal simply "molded" on the spindle?

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@gregorbabic7756 I'm talking Speedplay pods, not Assioma.

[@glazeddonut9494]

Want!

[@SimoneChiaretta]

I’m with you on this: considering the hype around this announcement, I would have hoped for more information on the power meter pedals. Not interested in the normal pedals, and I guess none aside from existing customers will buy any of the dumb pedals just for the sake of it.

[@ProfessorSteez]

Do you not have a power meter on your bike already? I’m laughing at all of the people on the pedal-based hype train when it’s like blatantly obvious that spider-based is king

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@ProfessorSteez Spider is indeed great for a lot of things. But let's take an example where someone has a road bike and a mountain bike, and rides SPD. That's a perfect case where swapping cranksets isn't viable (different BB standards), and thus, pedals is the only option - especially if they don't use their MTB & road in the same seasons.

[@ProfessorSteez]

@@DcrainmakerThat could be a solution, but I don’t know anybody who rides MTB with road pedals and cleats and I’m not aware of any MTB power pedals either (I know some people who use MTB pedals on the road). Wahoo also doesn’t appear to be offering MTB pedals, but I find it silly that people are crapping on Wahoo for only releasing normal pedals right now when that’s what will have the biggest market share.

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@ProfessorSteez I was surprised to see how many people ride SPD's for road. Way more than I expected.

[@SimoneChiaretta]

@@ProfessorSteez I have 2 road bikes and TT bike. The pedal is great for these situations since having multiple crank-based power meter leads to different results. Even having the same model will have different factory calibration, so results will always be different. Using the same power-meter is the only solution, both for accuracy and wallet (1k vs 3k)

[@hutchy_4297]

for pedal system weights you need to include the cleats and all hardware or it's meaningless. Also with a speedplay specific shoe there may be an issue with clearance for the pod

[@thenerdymamil8557]

So there is still hope for the IQ2 Power Meter 🤣

[@garybird8646]

I'd like a power meter pedal with a longer axle 58-61mm being ideal.

[@timothynelson7569]

I'm really surprised there is not a lot of speculation regarding the likelihood that they are working with Favero on this, considering the striking similarity in the pod design right down to the size and shape of the case and the arrangement of the flashing LEDs around the perimeter. That would certainly be a way to cut their development time and reduce the risk of falling short.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Favero has issued comment stating unequivocally they didn’t license a design to Wahoo or work with them on this.

[@timothynelson7569]

@@Dcrainmaker Thanks, good to know. I'm not surprised they needed to do this. I wonder what the Favero folks think...

[@carly200]

audio problems on the video? anyways, thanks for the video

[@dangurtler7177]

The Speedplay peddle is light, but the cleats are heavy.

[@rustymaximus9179]

So, hopefully they will offer real time left right power readings on their computers.

[@fbhidy]

Skimmed the comments, but didn't see anyone mention that you should weight pedals AND cleats to compare as Speed play cleats weigh much more than competitors due to the release mechanism being in the clear rather than the pedal.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Once we get final pedals I’ll do that for sure.

[@rcg9573]

Already been done on another site. The new Speedplay Zero cleats each weigh 88 grams per cleat. Their cleats have always been heavy.

[@fbhidy]

@@rcg9573 exactly my point, weigh the pedals AND cleats for a proper comparison.

[@timothynelson7569]

@@fbhidy Yes, KEO cleats are 68g, so it'll be basically a wash with the Favero.

[@wrenpyle7098]

do you think we will ever see sub $500 duel sided power meters? as an amateur college athlete its so hard to justify spending a $1000 on a power meter when cycling is already so insanely expensive

[@ProfessorSteez]

By the time the tech and competition is there, material costs will be preventing the MSRP from being sub-$500.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Eventually, likely, but not until IQ2 or another company successfully starts making and shipping units in volume.

[@rmeav8er000]

Is it just me or does DC Rainmaker look like a ginger version of Sal Vulcano from Impractical Jokers?

[@detmer87]

Good to see they fixed their inferior design that they had for years. Before they used way too much cheap plastic for a premium-priced product. Still needs to be seen if this design isn't prone to creaking...

[@gregorbabic7756]

Doesn't it look a bit "too similar" to Favero pod? What are the chances this is just the Favero spindle with Speedplay pedal body?

[@lidarman2]

@2:23 Did he really show me what to screw into my pine car?

[@fatpinarellorider]

@0:58, LOL. I didn't think they would be that silly, to enable a simple gamma adjustment and get all the photographic shadow details back again.🤦‍♂️

[@ccbanger1414]

Where’s Shimano pedals?

[@rkan2]

Took someone long enough (Speedplay power meter first hinted by Metrigear in 2009...)

[@stevevarga8621]

I’m confused. Are you sure the pedal has the power meter in it? Because I’ve seen KZbin videos where they remove the road pedal from the spindle and replace it with the appropriate mtb pedal to create an mtb or gravel power meter pedal. That means the pod must have all the measuring devices and the pedal itself has nothing in it.

[@Dcrainmaker]

The pod is merely the electronics hub for the ANT+ side, and battery aspects. The spindle is where the strain gauges are that measure the load.

[@stevevarga8621]

@@Dcrainmaker So the strain gauges are within the spindles. Doesn’t that then mean that the size of the Speedplay pedal body is irrelevant as long as it can accommodate the spindle?

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@stevevarga8621 It depends on the width of the spindle. Remember the spindle has to both fit into the pedal body (of any type) but also have protections on it's own, so that adds extra buffer. In the case of Speedplay, we'll have to see exactly how it's made.

[@stevevarga8621]

It seems like an easy and obvious adjustment. I’m sure they’re already on it. The Favero pods are an amazingly reliable solution. I wouldn’t mind if they used them instead of trying to reinvent the wheel but we’ll see how they solve it.

[@themagicspanner]

@@Dcrainmaker The strain gauges are on the outside of the spindle within the pod.

[@najiinaj8263]

Just to let you know there is a lot of feedback noise from your mic.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yeah, not sure what went wrong this time. :(

[@nathankiger4051]

@@Dcrainmaker sounded like a bad ballast in a fluorescent bulb.

[@macicana64]

Man.... I can't keep my eyes off that hammer! :-D

[@prestachuck2867]

If only Wahoo actually had any pedals or cleats available.

[@anwargorham]

I'm pretty sure you have to look for Pedls and Clets per wahoo spelling!

[@gourami7]

Great but what about all the Shimano pedal users ?

[@ProfessorSteez]

I hate how everybody is acting like they’ve been waiting for the power pedals to drop for 3 years now 😂 If you don’t have a power meter yet, that’s on you.

[@mikewilson0]

I don’t think everyone wants a crank based system. I’d like a SPD solution. Still waiting....

[@ProfessorSteez]

@@mikewilson0 Fair enough, but if you can afford time to wait years for a product that may never drop is a power meter really useful to you? It doesn’t have to be, but as somebody who’s trying to race at the highest level possible I couldn’t afford to wait years for a SPD power meter since I need one to train now.

[@rcg9573]

If you’re a non pro or not a serious developmental team amateur you’re a clown if you think you need a power meter to train effectively.

[@ProfessorSteez]

@@rcg9573 Right? I’m trying to go to Collegiate Nats in the USA. Some people act like they got screwed because the power pedals weren’t released yet but AFAIK affordable power pedals have been out for years and Wahoo didn’t announce them until last week. It’s not like ppl were planning on getting them. Tldr: The demand people place on industry is just unrealistic at times, and the people placing it don’t really “need” the product anyway.

[@mikewilson0]

@@rcg9573 “Need” is a strong word, but as a non pro, non anything, it appears to me that power meters are the most useful training aid available. For someone who’d like to improve, it would be a great asset. What’s the alternative really for us “clowns”?

[@soggywilson]

Looks like a Canyon Scotch bottle on the bench

[@Dcrainmaker]

Hahaha...never thought of it that way!

[@MarcDebenham]

anyone else getting a interference buzz?

[@michprent]

Yup same here on ipad

[@imperialspy3457]

Yes, hearing one on my Samsung Galaxy a50.

[@zbyszekrusiecki6793]

Ni fersztejn !

[@davidruedeman9990]

I wish they would bring back Frogs.

[@andyoffler3494]

After all the waiting it’s just a rebranding launch. All the peddles have dropped on the wahoo website except power meter models, disappointed to say the least

[@rcg9573]

Yep. They made extremely minor body and internal changes to the Zeroes, rebranded them the Wahoo lifo, and raised the pedal price $45 dollars. Complete joke.

[@mynewcolour]

Ha! 2020/21 saw great advances in the accuracy of LPE.

[@Incaensio]

You're right. The pods are fine but they're ugly. I went with Garmin Vector 3 because I'm vain and lucky for me they work perfect.

[@TheDavidjakeson]

Probably not SRAM now because they have Time in their pocket.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yeah, I wonder what the play is there. Meaning, do people actually use Time pedals anymore?

[@TheDavidjakeson]

@@Dcrainmaker I feel like Time pedals have a very strong cult following. Those that don't use them don't care at all, but those that use them have half a dozen brand new pairs of RXSs stashed in their garage. Personally if they made a power meter version of the ATACs I would switch.

[@euroswilliams7303]

Wahoo undercut someone on pricing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jk0000079]

broken microphone, or just lots of e-noise?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Researching tomorrow, I think it’s the connector.

[@manu5070]

"Wahoo has just announced their plans to release a Speedplay based based power meter this summer (2021)" No news about that? Hope soon

[@Dcrainmaker]

Summer extends all the way till Sept 22nd. We’re exactly 1/3rd of the way there! 🤣

[@manu5070]

@@Dcrainmaker yes it s True. But I am to excited at thé idea 😆

[@johnmackenzie1831]

I get triggered every time I see a set of Vector 3s. Worst cycling product i’ve ever bought.

[@Maxwaehrens]

What's bad about them?

[@johnmackenzie1831]

@@Maxwaehrens They basically released a BETA product for customers to test when they came out. There’s plenty of information out there on it. Hardware and software were woeful. I experienced constant head unit drop out, insane power spikes, battery drainage and to top it all of terrible customer support. I sold them very quickly. I’m sure the most recent versions are improved but I certainly won’t go near a Garmin PM again. Faultless Quarqs on 3 of my bikes now, probably won’t run anything else.

[@BevandEdMusic]

@@Maxwaehrens Reading drop outs and battery issues. I bought a pair which stopped working within a month, Garmin replaced them and the second pair had the same issues. From what I understand this is a fairly common experience, though that could be the bias of disgruntled people moaning on forums, happy people probably don't shout it as much.

[@bobbysilver272]

Power meters are STILL too expensive.

[@charlesmansplaining]

I don't know why I bothered to sit and watch 8 minutes of this video because I have zero interest in ever buying a power meter. I do like DCR's videos maybe that's why.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Hahah...thanks!

[@JogBird]

the good and bad to wahoo is that w speedplay users dont have any other options for a pedal meter, they have a captive market.. but, most people w 3 hole shoes wont buy new shoes just for the speedplay pedal when other options are already on the market

[@RossTheNinja]

You don't need new shoes. Adapters are in the box.

[@Falkirion]

Wahoo include an adapter plate in the box to allow connection to 3 hole shoes.

[@helmutkok7833]

There ar also Northwave adapter

[@patrickkelly885]

wahoo cant make there own computers talk to there trainer

[@jasonmolihan61]

I have zero desire to buy speed play shoes, and pedals.

[@molfar9049]

it’s 2021, there is no excuse or reason for power meter to be over $600 other than greed.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Why?

[@rcg9573]

It’s 2021. There’s no serious reason any non sponsored amateur needs a power meter to effectively train. World class riders trained perfectly fine for decades without power meters or a gazillion other electronic gadgets hanging off their bikes. The notion that an amateur needs a power meter to train effectively is simply goofballs with little common sense looking to imitate sponsored pros. Same thing they do with multi thousand dollar carbon wheels. It’s all about the desire of silly amateurs to imitate pros, and the bike industry sells them the Koolaid that they need it. 😆

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@rcg9573 And yet here ya are watching a video about power meters...

[@djconnel]

Single-sided power is obsolete.. the days of "I don't care about accuracy, just trends" ended with Zwift.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Mostly agree, though, I'd argue that some single-sided power meters are more accurate than some smart bikes or fancy trainers....