WAIFU: Leif

Leif is the main character in Fire Emblem Thracia 776, and he's both underrated and overrated. Let's talk about why.
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[@Mekkkah]

Welcome to the comment section! This is where you can do things like thank Hoshi ( kzbin.info ) for the amazing editing work he did on this video, and tell me who to feature next.

[@Kryptnyt]

Maybe a video about the thief class in general, and why games with better thieves like Thracia and PoR/RD grant a lot of player agency and result in a lot of fun! While thieves that are walking lockpicks like in Awakening and beyond are pretty dull and uninteresting!

[@NinjaSox7]

Honestly do a Forseti waifu Not an Arthur waifu, a Forseti waifu

[@TheEcoolarg]

Give me an Erk love letter please

[@sketchychicken2942]

When did you lose the 3rd K from your name

[@Kryptnyt]

@TJRoy Baker Stealing great weapons is a side objective that just isn't around in modern FE titles. In games where you can't steal, they are just another unit. Utility units are so much more than a ball of stats! And utility units have been replaced, by balls of stats. I think Thracia is one of the best FE titles because of the amount of player agency and freedom that you get when it comes to what you're allowed to do. We got stealing back in a diminished state in Three Houses, but it's so rare that there's stuff you can steal in that game.

[@l.n.3372]

Thus far, I've only used him in Genealogy but I really liked him there. It's funny but now when I think about Leif, I actually remember him for a completely different reason dear to my heart. Once, I actually told my younger sister that she was the Leif to my Altenna, and that I inherited the family's major holy blood while she only inherited minor holy blood. It was just a joke because I'm the older sister, but then I was afraid she would be sad. But then she surprised me and made Leif into her profile picture on her phone and embraced it! Every time we text or call each other, I see the Leif as her profile picture and it makes me smile xD so thank you Leif for making my sister happy.

[@NinjaSox7]

OMG THAT'S SO WHOLESOME

[@Flarezetta]

Awwwwwww. That's relatable for me, I'm the youngest of my siblings, I get along well with my cousin, he's basically Seliph and then my oldest sister is Altena and yeah it's really cool.

[@l.n.3372]

@@NinjaSox7 Thanks :3 Fire Emblem actually brought us closer (although tbh we're extremely close sibling wise anyway). We fight as normal siblings do but we always try to make up and not stay mad at each other. But FE was something we have in common that we interact together because of it.

[@l.n.3372]

@@Flarezetta Aww I've also got a Seliph and Julia style set of cousins. Hopefully we don't have a Julius cousin to worry about tho xD

[@dryzalizer]

Let's also not forget who shows Altena the truth, sometimes big sisters can be kinda clueless ;)

[@zachataxxii7126]

"Bruh..." - Raydrik von Manster Arc, 776

[@StivKobra]

The fight against Raydrick in Manster is played out in 777 of the Gran calendar though. Yes, I'm very fun at parties.

[@Kryptnyt]

"It might just be the best early game weapon in the series" Edelstern: "I've been waiting for you, Mekkah."

[@typhlocube9359]

What's this ?

[@StivKobra]

@@typhlocube9359 The starting personal weapon of the main lord from Vestaria Saga, I believe. A rapier with brave effect.

[@typhlocube9359]

@@StivKobra When I posted this I forgot about Vestaria but thanls. Also yeah this weapon is crazy.

[@MannuXyzz]

i played one fire emblem when the lord is a foot unit whit a spear Ephrain is wild

[@misterbadguy7325]

@@MannuXyzz Yeah, that's what he was talking about when he mentioned Reginleif as a Lord weapon on par with the Light Brand. The Reginleif has the same properties as the Rapier, but on a lance, so it has higher Might, and therefore the effective damage gets multiplied even further. Add in that Ephiram already has solid bases and growths and can use javelins, and you have a really strong early combat unit. His only real problem is that his promotion is a little later than you'd probably like.

[@Mr_SU]

I'd love to see a waifu on Echidna! She's kinda flip flopped between underrated and overrated imo so I'd love to hear you do a video on her.

[@mobileuser7962]

I second this!!

[@misterbadguy7325]

Mekkah's view is that Mangs's summary of her as "fairly good prepromote" is just fine.

[@jakestavinsky3480]

Echidna is my favorite FE6 character, period. Best design, amazing utility, etc

[@l.n.3372]

Does anybody think she isn't better than Bartre tho? I love her and used her when I played. But is there anyone who would recommend Bartre over her?

[@romitalia3088]

Echidna is kind of accepted as pretty good now.

[@HonestlyJustSomeGuy]

Just wanted to give shouts out to the only brunette lord. Here's to those with sensible hair colours. And his redesign looks cool, too.

[@Juan-zs6jt]

Claude?

[@HonestlyJustSomeGuy]

Juan776 black hair. Still good and natural, but I said brown. Edelgard would count if people cared enough to revert her hair colour change. Experiments.

[@dmas7749]

i like my anime hair colors

[@annchovy6]

I was actually trying to think of any main female characters in Fire Emblem with brown hair. There’s black hair, but it was hard coming up with female characters that don’t have colorful hair.

[@perez348]

Bismix’s “damn I’ve been defeated” is probably my favorite recent meme in the FE community

[@KEZAstraYT]

its kinda weird seeing Zero in a video after what happened

[@me-fp3cg]

who's zero and what happened

[@wesgannon4621]

I'm really impressed by the absurd production value and excellent script of this video. This channel has really come a long way since the 144p meme days. It's great to see that the quality of the visuals matches the quality of the analysis!

[@HoshiHero]

You neglected to mention Leif's ICONIC silver bow. Unsubbed.

[@windmage0168]

The Silver Bow is unironically a great weapon for Leif.

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

In Zero's defense, he did go in honestly blind and, iirc, the oldest FE game he's played before that was FE7.

[@twistedluki2100]

He's not that big on fire emblem so you kinda expect to see him looking on his combat stats and start evaluating a unit

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

@@tommychuss7194 He didn't stream it. It was in his video about him doing a challenge involving him reading fanfic based on how many times he loses a match of Smash and how many units he lost in a chapter of FE5.

[@l.n.3372]

@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes ' Mewtwo Queen ' xD

[@iwantmoney3598]

@@l.n.3372 is like that other cursed fanfic bewteen M2K and Leffen

[@l.n.3372]

@@iwantmoney3598 Oh God that I definitely don't wanna know about Dx

[@Namingway248]

i'm sure its more of an emotional than a logical thing, but so many things can and will go wrong in thracia at any time but leif is the one constant who finds a way to manage through all of it from beginning to end. its hard not to become attached to a character who faces something like that.

[@iwantmoney3598]

Ah Leif, his alt on Heroes made me play Genealogy, and now Thracia because I wanted to know why he sounds more happy than his normal form. Eventually I gonna finish Thracia when I get more lucky and less angry. He has been pretty good to me and I didn't even know he has bad growths, bless that move increase on Manster. I feel because of the game he can be useful, Eliwood and Lyn would love to have that type of help with leadership stars for example.

[@LoudWaffle]

Yeah, Leif looks terrible on paper but a lot of the game's systems and gameplay designs favour him, which is why he ends up being very useful through the whole game, even though his "role" in gameplay is constantly shifting and he's rarely the best unit you have. Meanwhile lords like Eliwood and Lyn, as you said, have really nothing to contribute almost all of the time.

[@luizguilhermelunardi8270]

In regards to his underwhelming promotion, there are actually graphics for the Master Knight class, his FE4 promotion, in the game’s files, but despite the fact that it would turn him into the absolute killing machine that every player, myself included, expects, he just gets the very average Prince class, so what gives? Him promoting to MK in FE5 only to return as a Prince in FE4 wouldn’t be that weird, considering Thracia 776 already has different interpretations of how the main plot went (besides, Nanna can still promote in this game only to later return as a Troubadour). On hindsight, however, it kind of fits the game; one of the themes of the game seems to be the many uphill struggles, and having him becoming OP as soon as he reconquers his homeland would sort of break that, after all, he STILL has to defend said homeland and STILL needs to end the church ‘s influence, he took a big step, but it’s still only one, but what the promotion signifies is that he’s not going to let anyone take what he’s achieved away from him, even if he’s still just a kid going up against an empire.

[@l.n.3372]

Maybe it's just me, but I kinda like that he goes from Lord to prince to master knight overall, and FE5 shows his struggle as Lord and prince before his promotion to master knight in FE4. It's a nice full perspective.

[@papersonic9941]

Kinda wish he'd gotten to use staves, it'd fit his role of a support unit perfectly, but oh well

[@typhlocube9359]

Leif is indeed a waifu

[@laprayprey]

Leif has climbed to be one of my favorite characters as well after playing Genealogy and Thracia. It sucks that lot of forums / discussions rated him so poorly due to his stats when in reality I found him to be one of the best in defense chapters like 14 and 20. While it’s true there’s a big cast of really good sword characters in Thracia, I always find Leif just good enough to reliably get the job done when I needed him the most. Definitely an interesting lord for waifu.

[@derkuchenmacher1455]

Ah yes, Leif Faris Claus. I really like Leif, both personality and design wise. Gameplay wise, he also has one of the best designs, in fact hes probably my favourite Lord gameplay wise. He is not an OP killing machine like Sigurd, but hes also way better then someone like Roy or Lyn. His utility with Light brand, especially in the Manster arc and earlygame is really nice, reliable 1-2 range chip is always good to have. And his other utility are his supports. He supports units like Asbel, so its always useful to have him around. Something I like to do with hime after promo, is give him a bunch of scrolls and a few level ups, since his exp gain is so high after promo. He becomes a really strong combat unit as well if you do that. Leif is overall a really balanced Lord, and thats why I like him so much. I dont really like the direction IS is taking with Lords recently ( usually being amongst the best units in the game ) and Id like to see a Lord more similar to Leif again, tho I kinda doubt that will happen.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

It's very likely that IS is gonna continue making ridiculously OP lords like they did in 3H, so I hope you're looking forward to 60% str and spd growth Roy in the FE6 remake. I do wish more lords found a blance like Leif between being bad like Lyn or broken like Sigurd, it seems that it will never happen again sadly

[@funninoriginal6054]

Tbh i would like a support lord that is a good rally bot, dancer or healer but is pretty bad combat wise (not as bad as fucking roy though)

[@korinoriz]

If the fe 5 remake is faithful, people will dislike Leif's first impression and think he's a Dimitri knock off. Damn Leif really gets screwed over.

[@solol8871]

funni n original my friend, I don’t know if you’ve played it but I’d have to recommend the Fe rom hack The Last Promise. The force deployed lord in that hack also happens to be your dancer, so he gets utility just by existing.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@funninoriginal6054 Roy's combat utility is overhated, in the earlygame he gets 2 hit killed by generuc fighters, but every earlygame unit you get besides Marcus and Dieck can't really take a hit well, he also uses sword which are very good in FE6 since there are a lot of axe users and javelins and handaxes suck, while his growths aren't amazing, by FE6 standards they're quite high and his bases aren't really bad when you consider he joins in chapter 1, this is also not accounting for the bindimg blade since that thing is already famous for it's absurd power. Roy is also really easy to fix , just have him.promote at chapter 13 or 14 and he becomes a perfectly decent unit

[@Tslayer00]

Damn. That's some clean ass editing

[@gersubdenis6724]

Mekkah be like "i swear leif is good. Just give him all your stat boosters 😭"

[@simshadows]

In is defense Leaf does not suffer from fatigue, so these stats boster will be effective for all the game, not half of the chapters, it will also help him sponge hits to get other units fresh and available. The only better option would be to give these to Ronan.

[@misterbadguy7325]

In seriousness, Leif actually is a great candidate for statboosters. It's for kind of the same reason that you give Speedwings to Haar, not Mia; most of the good units in Thracia are people like Orsin, Dagdar, Asvel, or Fergus, who don't need statboosters to kick ass left and right. It's better to funnel them into Leif so he can be as good as his buddies, since he's always around.

[@darklight6921]

same thing he said about radiant dawn jill

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

Having to give a unit stat boosters is only a bad thing if those boosters have poor availability or there are better candidates, which in this case isn't... the case.

[@pizzabagel3840]

I'm so happy! I actually suggested this one! I mean, I'm sure it was going to happen anyway, and me suggesting Leif probably didn't change a thing, but I'm still happy.

[@ArchsageCanas]

When I played Thracia the first time, I really wanted to hate Leif for his awful bases, default weapons slowing him down and how he seemed like a second Roy. But it became apparent very quickly that he wasn't as bad. His bases look absolutely awful but that is also contributed to the all 20 caps of Thracia for promotions included. You hardly see stats below 5 (unless defense for magic users or res for physical units) in other games but in Thracia, you also hardly see enemies with reasonable defense or 4 AS prior to Manster so that's not an issue. His 22 HP and 3 defense are also beefier than they look as enemies have ~10 attack in the first chapter, which allow him to take 2-3 hits before dying, which is a major improvement to Roy's 1 hit he can take in hard mode. The light brand is just beyond useful and exactly what weakly lords need, definitely the best early game weapon for any lord in any FE. His Manster performance is what really sets Leif apart in my perspective. Even without boosters, his states are on par and mostly slightly better than Fergus' or Brighton's but with much more HP thanks to his good growth in this department. The difference is noticable and he is a unit to fall back on for more difficult fights. He may have a higher level but that doesn't matter when the more difficult chapters of the game requires the player to rely on the units' bases. There simply isn't time to train the other units unless one lames out the reinforcements. Despite his stats, he can still handle himself later, has more move than other infantry lords, has supports, his light brand... and doesn't promote in the very last chapter of the game where he gets an amazing weapon to kill very weak 1 range locked enemies and bosses that are beyond simple. He is not amazing by any means and would probably place him somewhere in the middle of the unit roster but he is not a bad lord by any means.

[@TheIndian211]

Honestly so weird to see how far you've come Mekkah. From the 480p gameplay videos with minimal editing to what you are at now is amazing. I hope you keep improving and get bigger and bigger, because you definitely deserve it.

[@chainoflinks5715]

I was watching the newest episode of the Genealogy LP and right after Mangs said Leif I got this notification? Coincidence? Probably.

[@gormflaith2326]

If you thought ZeRo was bad enough, well now you have some more evidence against him. Calling Leif a trash lord like that is unforgivable

[@ohandthefracking]

NOW that aged even WORSE than people thinking Leif is a bad lord

[@alexandrelabrie7790]

Leif actually left a good impression on me, straight from the gate. His Light Brand is one of my favorite lord weapons in the series, and he can use it to heal himself, and he has 1-2 range. Also, Leif can level up his movement AND his constitution. That alone, means that he will NEVER be the worst lord in the series to me.

[@quinoalove]

honestly the light brand makes me consider him one of the best lords combat wise. in general, early-midgame fire emblem is harder than the very end, and when other lords finally get their promotion your army is filled with super soldiers anyways. the light brand lets leif do so much as a unit, it lets him deal with early game enemies with low res extremely easily and the 1-2 range makes him strong on both player and enemy phase

[@Juan-zs6jt]

Con growths are evil, they ruin rescuedrop strategies.

[@KUNAIfever]

@@Juan-zs6jt yeah but you can capture units well

[@Juan-zs6jt]

@@KUNAIfever Dagdarand Finn do the with 0 growths.

[@Edgeperor]

@@Juan-zs6jt ah yes, and you’ll always want two of your strongest units to be capture bots. Makes sense to me.

[@sigmaklim2532]

The editing on this video is amazing. Please give your editor a pat on the back for me! And do more scripted content!

[@bones9964]

Maybe we could have a Waifu on one of the substitute children, they definietly get completely shafted in fe4.

[@Edgeperor]

But they’re not really overrated or underrated, they’re just kinda bad.

[@frostbite_1244]

@@Edgeperor what about Hawk, sure Ced is superior it doesn't mean Hawk's bad, I used Hawk because God damnit Lewyn had to fall for Silvia but bloody hell Hawk is really strong with his magic and speed in the 20's and starts with a Lighting tome adding 20 more might to him and the weight doesn't actually mean anything thanks to his speed. On top of his B in staves he does have staff utility, like most magic characters he also has high res so that's a bonus. I dunno about other substitute characters but Hawk is a good substitute... Hermina? Or in my translation Femina is just a poor substitute, nothing else to say.

[@cgk1276]

Bruh this editing is nuts, props to Hoshi

[@tom_7768]

Now that's some really good editing you got there man

[@altha201]

Ah, yes, my favorite character in the series and one of my favorite units to use in FE5. Probably the most unique lord in the series. Thank you, Mekkkah

[@maltheopia]

Roy wishes he was Leif writing-wise. Leif actually faces some hardship, makes difficult choices that don't pan out, learns and grows as a leader and even as a person, meets and angsts over people about his age but superior to him, has people reminding him that he's not as gifted or blessed as he'd like, and has August to talk to. Roy has the easiest time out of any Lord in the series, always makes the right decision (even when it's a questionable one), is already blessed with perfect strategy and only needs an 'CONGRATS YOU WIN THE GAME' sword, is a child prodigy with the correct modern opinions on race and class politics, has everyone sucking off his Big Brane, and has fucking Merlinus to talk to. Part of the reason why I hate Roy so fucking much is that I was spoiled by Leif.

[@jomet9019]

@@maltheopia Rigght? Leif had such good character development and then in fe6, Roy had none.

[@maltheopia]

@@jomet9019 I think there are exactly two Lords worse than Roy in the series: Corrin, obviously, and Celiph. And at least Celiph got some good character development in at least two FE4 fan-mangas. Roy has been in several Smash games and a manga of his own and he still sucks. Actually, I take that back. At least other people on Celiph's side get to look competent and smart in FE4; no one is allowed to be cool in FE6 once they join Team Roy.

[@jomet9019]

@@maltheopia lol I agree with you about Seliph. I felt he had no character whatsoever. He never really developed into a better person or had anything to say. His conversations were pretty bland. A small nitpick of mine, but in the translation patch I used he kept saying "hmm" a lot when he was in agreement and it annoyed the heck out of me since he didn't have anything better to say and pretty much ruined his character for me. But yeah, Roy is way worse.

[@maltheopia]

​@@jomet9019 I have no idea what happened to the Roy character. I can't even blame the staff turnover with IS, because FE6 does know how to write interesting characters -- they just really dropped the ball with Roy and Zephiel. My personal theory is that the writing staff become more experienced as they continued writing, but they never went back and redid their old work. It's why Yoder and Niime and Karel's supports own while Wolt and Bors and Alance and Elen's supports suck so bad.

[@XandyEhhh]

Awesome episode, awesome editing

[@domicraft6341]

I was waiting for one of those. Nice looking episode. Hoshi did a great job. And Ryn as well.

[@TenaciousDingo]

WAIFU on Marty. Also blessed Hoshi, he even has a Lanky Kong pfp. What more can you ask from a man.

[@HoshiHero]

Man of culture detected.

[@expio4257]

When did the editing get so crisp? Did you take editing lessons from Chaz or something?

[@HoshiHero]

Partially true.

[@mexicanzoidburg8072]

As a Muslim, I pray to mecca everyday.

[@mojtaba2175]

Finally, I found someone who has mentioned how similar Mekkah name is to Makkeh :D

[@boldknock7436]

Ive been waiting for this episode for years, and it finally came out. Thanks mekkkah

[@krokodile6471]

It's nice that you didn't do a too pre-biased WAIFU on Leif, considering how much you love Thracia776. Btw. Pls do an Ashe Waifu at some point, because he's either only over- or underrated.

[@l.n.3372]

The thing about Ashe is that he's good in BL but he's not worth training on the other routes. Because he leaves your party in verdant wind and silver snow, he'll fall behind your team until you get him back at the valley of torment. This doesn't happen on azure moon obviously, so he's in the best position to be useful. In crimson flower, he's fine but you already have Petra and Bernadetta with bows, plus Ferdinand and Edelgard with axes. But on Blue Lions, his talent for axe and bows makes him prime to become a bow wyvern, especially with Lance hidden talent. People who say 'oh it's just an inferior Claude' are really annoying because if a build works, then why not have multiple sets? Would you really only have 1 wyvern on your team, or 1 cavalier in a GBA FE game? Wyvern rider/wyvern Lord is good for a reason, and any male unit with a preference for axes can make good use of the set up, especially if they also favor bows. There's just no downside on BL especially when Claude isn't even available anyway. On maddening BL, I used wyvern Sylvain, Ashe and Ingrid along with falcon knight Byleth: all 4 were fliers and I also got them to C or B rank bows as well. Since Claude is never available in Blue Lions, there's really no argument about him since he's not an option. And although Ashe is slower than Ingrid and isn't as strong as Sylvain, why not have 3 good units with great availability? I also threw in Petra and Seteth when necessary too.

[@starmaker75]

Ashe has a weird growth for his defenses as he has higher resistance growth then defense growth.

[@XEmiyaArcherX]

@@l.n.3372 TBH if you want a bow wyvern outside of CF, you almost allways should go for Cyril, especially on maddenning he's so far above every archer who's not claude/leonie/petra due to point blank volley and perfect strengths to reach wyvern lord that using Bernadetta or ashe above him feels like gimping yourself or no reason.

[@l.n.3372]

@@XEmiyaArcherX Disagree. As I just mentioned, Ashe favors axe, bow and Lance already. It doesn't take much more than common sense to put 2 and 2 together and make him into a wyvern. They already use axe and Lance so why not add flying? If you have a wyvern Ashe, Sylvain and Ingrid on a Blue Lions run, then why do you really need Cyril? Especially when you'll just get Seteth soon afterwards and you can even recruit Petra as well. Bernadetta is IMO a better falcon knight on any non Black Eagles route simply because she starts with a high Lance rank and she's weak in axes. But with Ashe in Blue Lions, there's not much reason to not use his availability. Especially since Bernadetta is basically the same unit but with less availability on a BL run. The ONLY route where I would potentially consider Cyril is Golden Deer because even if Claude, Hilda are wyvern but you could always use an early game 3rd wyvern too. I typically make Leonie into a falcon knight, but if you wanted wyvern Leonie, then once again Cyril is competing against 3 others and he's less valuable if you've been training those 3 from the start. His ONLY utility is point blank volley, and so many people including myself have beaten maddening without him. So he's not necessary. On silver snow, Cyril joins far too late and I highly doubt anybody recommend him there.

[@XEmiyaArcherX]

@@l.n.3372 Because Cyril has better Growths, a strength in bow, lance, axe AND flying which is btw the hardest skill to level for males which makes it a huge plus for him over Ashe. Cyril is not necessary to beat maddening he's just 10 times more helpfull than ashe in it, so why use ashe? Cyril can one round enemys from his starting chapter with point blank volley, something Ashe will struggle to do for the entire game, he can double and reliably kill mega fast assassins/brawalers, something the best units in the game sometimes struggle to do and Ashe couldn't even dream of trying. You can beat the game with any characters really, but some are simply waay better than others, and Cyril completly shadows Ashe, similarly Claude compeltly shadows Cyril(and every single other unit in the game tbh) which is why GD is actually Cyril's worst route(besides CF obviously) cause it has the best flying starters, that said more Wyvern riders is never a bad thing, Ashe is jsut one of the worst one you can go for in any route. even in BL, Sylvian, Cyril , Ingrid and Seteth are just easier to train/ teach and just all around better units in every way. it's a shame cause I like Ashe the character.

[@PsiYoshi]

This video was the first time since I beat Thracia where I actually felt like replaying it. Gave me a lot to think about for my next playthrough. Great work Mekkah!

[@rockyperea1337]

I know that in the past you've said that Three Houses characters are hard to evaluate due to the nature of the game. However, there is one pre-promote who has a more traditional join time and is often overshadowed by the members of your army that you've already spent so long developing. I'm making reference to Gilbert in the Blue Lions Route. He joins immediately post time skip during the Chasing Daybreak mission and is largely under shadowed in the academy arc. The only impression the player has of him is most likely sacrificing him during the Miklan Mission where he appeared as a green unit to soak up the reinforcements. Since most players have already trained students, other professors, and/or Cyril/Flayn it's hard to insert him into your roster. However, I've made an effort to use him on my more recent maddening runs and had a similar experience that you had with Ronan. I tried out multiple class options such as the War Master or his seemingly natural role as a Great Knight to make use of his adjutant capabilities, but to my surprise, there was a better option. His utility as a bow knight worked for me personally to use as a Swiss Army knife unit. He could use his respectable authority rank to command helpful battalions, he could shove to reposition units in a timely manner, and he could land long snipes on an enemy before using canto to reach a safe distance (albeit that's a benefit of the class, not him), all the while still being able to reliably frontline in any role due to his well-above-average base defense usually rivaled only by Dimitri. As far as stat boosters on my end come, I supplied him with some dexterity in order to help his general accuracy, and I also delegated him to use the Failnaught simply because I felt like experimenting, though I never truly relied on it as an option. This analysis, of course, comes with some personal bias based on my own experiences, but I've tried to highlight his reason for being underrated, some benefits he presents as a unit, and my own attempts at maxing his utility without overly relying on stat boosters. Sorry to make a whole essay on one unit, but I feel like it would be an interesting case to observe a more traditional pre-promote finding place in Three Houses' differentiated gameplay.

[@LoudWaffle]

I've heard he's actually really really good as a Wyvern Lord, and it's a pretty easy class to get him in too. Biggest boon is that it salvages his rock-bottom speed stat, since Wyvern Lords have a base of 20 speed.

[@rockyperea1337]

@@LoudWaffle Interesting. Next time I play Blue Lions, I'll give that a go. I suppose I could try a Barbarossa-like build, and use him sort of like a tankier Claude. Though I will say that Gilbert's speed is revolting, that's not really an issue considering how he's traditionally built. Especially if you pick up quick-riposte from the War Master class line.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Really, the biggest problem with Gilbert is that Fortress and Great Knight are very specialized classes that you need a reason to take. Put him into almost anything else, and he's actually a pretty solid unit. Not top tier by any means, but not the worst on your squad.

[@rockyperea1337]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Yeah I can see that. I use fortress knights for their adjutant capabilities most of the time, of course with some exceptions. Gilbert can easily keep up with your team until the endgame.

[@sadagusfate]

Waifu + Leif + Hoshi = pwnage incarnate

[@LordWallace]

Once you get more experience in Conquest I'd love to see a Waifu for often overlooked units in that game like Laslow or Gunter. Or perhaps less overlooked but still underappreciated units such as Leo and Beruka. I dont see it as much anymore but it still baffles me how anyone ever thought Leo was the worst royal in Fates bar the younger sisters.

[@nachohangover5104]

Leo's only real issue is speed but you can just use the mess hall and a Niles or Felicia pair-up for that. Adventurer Nyx also works but that takes more investment.

[@Juan-zs6jt]

@@nachohangover5104 One seal of investment and you get a broken combat unit. I say it is a fair trade.

[@nachohangover5104]

@@Juan-zs6jt One master seal isn't that much of an investment but a heart seal is.

[@Juan-zs6jt]

@@nachohangover5104 It really isn't. Realistically you would only use 3 total before Leo, for Corrin, Jakob, and Gunter. You can make room for Nyx.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

Leo isn't as obviously good as other Fates lords so he seems underwelming by comparison to new players. Sakura and Elise have early game healer utility, Takumi is in Birthright which is much easyer that Conquest so his combat seems very impressive, Hinoka has flying utility and Camilia, Xander and Ryoma are amazing all around. Of course once you start looking into Leo's utility and how useful he can be with heartseeker you see that he's actually very useful. Ironically I think nowadays Leo has become similar to Leif in that he used to be underratef, but nowadays he's a bit overrated IMO

[@gytgifnuibhgoudhj]

Whoa! The editing is really good, actually it's getting better each waifu, the jokes and information are really well presented

[@SuperCornStalker]

Masterpiece of an intro.

[@char1194]

This will really help me optimise my upcoming FireRed LTC playthrough

[@christiandark3298]

I recently got done with Thracia, and I have to say that, having played more than half the games in the series, Leif compares pretty well to most other lords. He's never a complete liability (looking at you, level 15 Roy with 8 spd), and he can always contribute in some meaningful way. He's a strange unit who ends up being a jack of all trades, but master of none. I believe he is the best candidate for a majority of your rings, as the rings enable him to be fairly competent in combat just outside the front lines, even though he will never perform better than your best units imo. His late promotion does hurt, but as mekkah has always said, Thracia's enemies are fairly weak, so he has no problem taking on soldiers or brigands even much later into the game. I like Leif a lot, as a unit and as a character, and his development over the course of the game, which I think is a little rushed, is well deserved for someone who goes through the amount of tragedy and brutality that Leif does. Glad to see a Thracia WAIFU on the channel. I'd like to see either a WAIFU on Altena from FE4 next or Noah from FE6.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

Roy should usually have way more speed at level 15, you probably got RNG screwed. Anyway the main reason why Leif is good is because Thracia is balanced in a way that makes Leif decent in general despite his low growths and bases, for some other lords like Roy or Lyn, you'd need to rebalance the game in such a way that would make them work and I think IS has shown how they aren't great at balance already with 3H

[@christiandark3298]

@@vanjagalovic3621 I'm aware my Roy is currently very bad lmao, even by Roy standards. But just to say that Leif is much more than his overall mediocre bases and growths, unlike some other lords.

[@KayderimGameplays]

@@vanjagalovic3621 Yeah, and my lief got roided in the first arena map i could find, he and shiva were so strong that we killed pretty much every unit in chapter 14, i send him and finn to the house at the southwest of the map so dean could get his spear

[@patrickkenneally3016]

I’d love to see a video on one of the villagers from Shadows of Valentia. The variety of class choices they can become makes for an interesting case in terms of viability. Maybe start with Kliff, since there are those who consider his mage class option either the worst or the best.

[@Juan-zs6jt]

Mage Kliff is a meme. Merc Kliff is the big deal, he is quite busted.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@Juan-zs6jt Nah, archer Kliff is where it's at. In all seriousness the early villagers you get are all quite useful and overall reliable. I wouldn't call them all amazing, but they're useful for Alm's part of the game and rarely outclassed by other members of the deliverance

[@dmas7749]

@@vanjagalovic3621: i made him a mage when i first played gaiden but iirc he performs better as an archer stats are so damn low in gaiden which i like but slightly dislike as well

[@CosmicToad5000]

Leif is imo the perfect balance for a Lord character. Not much better than your average unit, but has access to some unique tools and uses investment quite well. We see too many Lords who are either gods or one of the worst units in the game. I’d like to see more lords like Leif, Seliph & Eirika. Not too broken or awful, just a normal unit who gets some cool shit. Though some lords like Sigurd or FE3/12 Marth make sense to be really strong storywise.

[@edgelord8337]

Leif is here.

[@eliroybal2344]

This was a great video, really enjoyed the editing and it made it way more interesting to watch. Never played Thracia beyond the first one or two chapters, but this helps make me want to try it sometime soon

[@nadnap]

These are all things easily overlooked by a new player, so kudos for putting this together.

[@Patrickveech25]

Nice WAIFU - especially liked how you were able to convince an audience of why giving Leif stat boosters is not necessarily favoritism, but it’s practical (Due to Leif’s insane availability, particularly during Manster chapters). Leif really makes an impact when you add up all the little things he can do well. Love the series. Would be fun to have a video on FE 9’s Mist!!

[@shadowoflight1675]

The contrast with Roy is staggering. Roy has an in-story reason to be weak, and is valued more for his leadership skills than his fighting skills, but he lacks any true ability to be a supporting unit beyond the support system (which everyone has some access to), and because of how poorly written FE6's story is, rather than coming across as a skilled leader, he just comes across as a Gary Stu plotwise. While I haven't played Thracia yet, Leif sounds like Roy done correctly, while he's not a combat monster, his leadership is a constant boon for the army, aiding them in moment-to-moment combat as well as in the long term. It also sounds like Roy's arc of becoming a stronger leader and warrior is done correctly as well, since it sounds like Leif becomes a decent combat unit gradually, whereas Roy is bad at fighting until he gets the Binding Blade, which is so OP it single handedly makes him a decent combat unit. I imagine Leif is probably a better character than Roy too, being the protagonist of one of the darkest games in the series has to count for something right?

[@misterbadguy7325]

Really, part of it is that Roy isn't so much meant to be Leif as he is meant to be Marth. People compare Roy and Leif a lot because they're both considered kind of underwhelming, but in terms of their bases, growths, weapons, and overall design, Binding Blade Roy and Mystery of the Emblem Marth are bordering on identical, which is fitting when Binding Blade's plot is pretty clearly a pseudo-remake of Mystery. The difference actually comes down to the entire rest of the game. In Mystery of the Emblem, enemy units are pretty dang anemic, so a unit with Roy's bases and growths can get a whole lot done, especially when there's a lot of cavs and armors and no weapon triangle, and lack of a promotion doesn't really matter because all stats cap at 20, so the ceiling of unit power is pretty low. In Binding Blade, even well-trained units tend to struggle with one-rounding or two-rounding enemies, even on Normal, so Roy's stats stand out a lot. I feel like he actually was meant to be a decent combat unit but they badly overestimated his strength; Binding Blade has a lot of cases of weirdly unbalanced design like that. In story terms, yeah, you're about right. The big thing separating the two is that Leif fucks up. Like, a lot. Multiple entire arcs come out of the fact that he's so reckless and determined that he rushes right into traps or makes a terrible decision in haste. And the lack of supports means that while Roy does have a pretty interesting character, it's mostly left to conversations that might as well be Easter eggs, while Leif's personality is on display for the whole thing. I wouldn't really say FE6's story is poorly written, so much as that it was a case of not really knowing how to make the support system work yet. The gameplay loop feels really obvious in hindsight; the story is basic on the first go, but when you start figuring out that people can talk to each other, you learn all kinds of little details about the world and characters, and how they relate to each other or see things, and you learn that the world of Elibe is actually fairly deep and intricate. But the problem was that finding those conversations was so tedious that nobody really bothered, so you're left with a story that just feels like Books 1 and 2 of Mystery kludged together with a few moderately clever plot twists--and even then, supports are really more a showcase of character than a true development arc. Roy has an interesting personality... but he doesn't really have an arc.

[@hikkigamer8082]

Leif is honestly a decent combat unit from start to finish, he's always good in my opinion (especially when stat caps are so low in Thracia that even your worst units can easily contribute vs really low base stat enemies) due to variety of factors Mekkah mentioned. There's also a case of variety of fantastic weapons you always have access to to help deal with so many situations. Most of Thracia's difficult has always been just knowing how to deal with overwhelming enemy numbers and planning for unexpected surprises (some are pretty bs on first playthrough, like the teleport puzzle ones that you can't escape from by normal means).

[@waterguyroks]

Mister Bad Guy I found FE6 supports to be pretty bad. Granted, I didn't get too many of them, but they seemed extremely short and perfunctory, and didn't really showcase any aspects to the characters that aren't immediately apparent.

[@starmaker75]

Hikki Gamer also Leif can be a decent support lord if he not doing that well.

[@maltheopia]

@@waterguyroks The FE6 supports definitely improved writing-wise as the game went on. Compare Astore and Yoder and Niime versus Shana and Wolf and Marcus. What I don't understand is why they didn't go back and rewrite the old ones. A lot of those support chains are unbelievably bad, something I'd expect from a poorly-translated NES game.

[@vanguard2960]

I'd love to see a WAIFU on a laguz from FE9. Maybe Lethe or Mordecai since they are around longest and might have the most to talk about? Whoever it is, I think the Laguz in that game might have a decent amount you could dig into regarding their usefulness throughout the game

[@dryzalizer]

Interesting idea, I think most of us do have a preference for one or the other but they're both good when you get them for different reasons.

[@DD151]

Muarim is probably overall the best laguz candidate in FE9 to talk about.

[@vanguard2960]

@@DD151 I can see that. I feel like Muarim is more generally regarded as good cause people see him as more useful than the other 2 longterm, but I could be wrong about that. tbh a video delving into all 6 beasts/ hawks might be worth it since they're all similar in utility in some ways

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@vanguard2960 I think Maurim might have a skewed sense of worth, since I feel like a lot of people treat the Demi-Band as his personal property. Especially given the lack of fliers in FE9, I feel like either of the hawks might use it better. Maybe I'm wrong, and just noticed myself thinking that at some point and applied it to everyone though. As a whole, though, I don't really think any of the Laguz really deserves a full Waifu, but I do think a video or two addressing the topic of non-royal Laguz might be nice. I tend to only see the opinions "they're bad" or "X killed everyone for me", which to me means there's a lot of missing information on the subject.

[@nova338]

The editing looks awesome!

[@Andreu0rtin]

3:31 Okay that has a really cool transition. Props to whoever did it.

[@Mekkkah]

Hoshi edited this whole thing!

[@fakesmile172]

Roy, take notes

[@actone4822]

This was a great vid! I'll definitely try using *symbol on Canadian flag* when I start playing Thracia. As for a future WAIFU candidate, I think it might be worth it to look into Saul, as I know he was overshadowed in my playthrough of Binding Blade when compared to Clarine and Cecilia, along with the limited access to promotion items making him appear less useful.

[@DD151]

Saul is pretty universally agreed upon to be the best early staff user in FE6, particularly in efficient or LTC contexts, though.

[@actone4822]

@@DD151 Oh, I didn't know. I'm still pretty new to the Japan only games, so I overlooked him in a casual sense. May or may not have also let Saul die...

[@DctrJimbo]

I need to play FE5 right now. You keep making videos about how perfect it is 😩

[@lagrelex]

Thank you Hoshi

[@mqpolo1818]

Well since you mentioned him how about Eliwood he’s Eli-good or Eli-east-ok

[@altha201]

or Eli-ruined-every-ironman-run

[@typhlocube9359]

Eliironmanpooperood

[@The_Breaded92]

Oof....that intro with [REDACTED] 😖

[@cliffjumper1984]

Wow. Thanks for the uplod from 4 years ago. Im just playing 776 now. And in chapter 7, after i got shiva, i forgot to go kills all the units on the left side of the map. Thank god im playing it on my modded snes mini, and still have i saved (i think) right after i got shiva. But i will say, my Leif is pretty boss i think. Onky restarted 1 one time. Going in blindly in this game.

[@CS-ps3ne]

Ive never cliked so fast on a WAIFU video

[@edgelord8337]

Sure you don't watch videos about your favorite waifu.

[@JetblackJay]

I didn't know Leif was considerd badI've played 2 chapters of thracia and he wasn't bad just another Lord who's Average

[@SweaterPuppys]

This was a great episode and I loved the editing too do you think you could do a waifu on Micaiah next?

[@vanjagalovic3621]

But Micaiah isn't over or underrated, pretty much everyone knows she's bad, but with some decent utility

[@thunderjolt69]

This editing is top notch.

[@deppresio]

Ty Hoshi

[@leonardobustamante710]

I'd love to see one on Por!Tormod or Shinon, I feel those are two underrated units that I usually make good use of but I don't see a lot of people talk about

[@Gerd0]

Gameplaywise Leif is indeed very interesting. Probably one of my favorite units in the series because of it.

[@michaelshan22]

Didn’t know Mekkah watched FlightReacts

[@HoshiHero]

Mekkah IS FlightReacts. Have you heard that laugh?

[@skynyrdjesus]

I used to love FE KZbin because it was my favorite game series and I loved the abstract trivia shown in a video format. Now I love FE KZbin because I have a passion for history and historiography, and watching unintentional revisionist history take place in front of me is fascinating. I still love FE content though, and I doubt that will ever change

[@serpent2776]

After favoring Leif, he got some good growths and definitely was a top 3 unit of mine throughout the midgame, even though he hit level 20 around chapter 12. Though obviously I'd assume this only happened cuz he got some great levels. He's probably been my 2nd best lord in the pre-awakening era games that I have throughout the game (so not FE10 Ike or FE4 Sigurd) only behind my stat blessed FE9 Ike

[@YuryVVV]

How about a WAIFU on Wolfe and Sedgar? I know the Archanea games are difficult to analyze due to reclassing being a thing, but these units are most definitely quite interesting.

[@ZirexNorcruin]

what would you say makes them interesting?

[@LoudWaffle]

@@ZirexNorcruin HUEGE growth stats

[@misterbadguy7325]

@@ZirexNorcruin If you're unaware, the way Wolf and Sedgar work is that their class, Horseman, became the promotion of Hunter in between the originals and the remakes. This created problems for them, because they show up pretty early on, and giving you two strong prepromotes seems like a recipe for disaster (and they might overshadow their boss Hardin). So they had a wacky solution: they kept their stats on par with your standard unpromoted unit, but vastly increased all their growth rates so that at 20th level, they'd still end up with appropriate stats for a 20/20 unit. Like, Wolf has a 100% Strength growth as a Horseman, for some idea. So basically, they're prepromotes that have bases on par with a low-mid unpromoted unit, but growths on par with FE6 Karel. And being promoted units, you can reclass them and turn them into Heroes or Generals. They're a lot of fun.

[@ZirexNorcruin]

@@misterbadguy7325 given this, i really would like to see a waifu on them

[@Swordsmaster]

My boy Leif! I love him and is certainly a better Lord, to me, compared to Roy, Eliwood, and Lyn. He always has a use. Now, I have not beaten Thracia, but I've played through most of the game so giving Leif a little investment goes a long way.

[@LEGOALEX97]

I think it's important to remember just how useful Thracia's stat caps and general stat handling benefit Leif. He plateaus like Roy, but unlike Roy enemies don't climb so high that it makes him irrelevant....at least, that was my experience. My Leif hit level 20 with 9 str which is below average but he was still able to do some damage. Especially with the Kingsword since it has the brave effect. Of course, once he promoted I stacked my Leif with a bunch of scrolls and it turned him into a supersoldier that pretty much tore through every enemy in front of him...it was awesome.

[@Kazmahu]

The more I watching (well, binge) on this series the more I appreciate it. From what you say this is slowly changing, but I remember the FE community have a big obsession with "the Numbers", as if they were gospel. And yeah, making the enemy dead is ultimately how you win, but there is so, so much more context to a strategy game, and "utility unit" can mean war more than just a dancer or staffbot.

[@FriendfullFJ]

what really saves Leif is Thracia's stat cap of 20, this is a curse for good units but is what makes all units in the game useable lol

[@dakraa8187]

Lol that zero intro

[@jinpluff]

The zero's réaction at the beginning made me thing it was his video XD

[@victikirby15]

I’d be interested in a video on Ignatz

[@Anti-i25]

I never played Thracia 776 and every new thing I learn about it makes it seem like a fever dream.

[@davidnathanwong6261]

Perfect timing since i just finished Fe5

[@ZER0lPT]

Mekkah still doesn't care about waifus btw.

[@Gogito4]

I could watch the video before commenting. OR I COULD USE THE WARP STA- No, really, who does that lol.

[@griffintravis8506]

Leif gained movement in my playthrough so I think of him as a god

[@SadisticNiles]

I got 2 movement and I am still in Manster :D

[@perr0263]

I think a character that makes everyone else good is a good character himself

[@jeremystinson2124]

OMG You got ZeRo at the beginning of the video!!! XD I remember when I saw that and was like “Oh crap what if Mekkah saw this video!”

[@derkuchenmacher1455]

What the hell I only watched the Intro and this is already the best Mekkah video ever.

[@Coolkeldon]

Now that I see this video, I would love if you could use this same kind of logic for your tier list videos. I'm not asking to make a WAIFU of every unit during your tier lists videls, but taking in consideration: game mechanics, equipment (or at least starting equipment), skills if they have, avaibility, and item avaibility. That's all I wanna say for feedback on this one. As most times, loved the video Mekkah :D, keep it up!

[@Flarezetta]

YESSSS. I absolutely LOVE Leif hes probably my favorite lord of all the FE games.

[@nessdbest8708]

Don't worry Mekkah even though it's spelled differently it's said the same.

[@michaelgum97]

How about doing a WAIFU on Ephraim? He is one of my favorite Lords in the series, but I don't know if it's just bias or if he's actually a good unit. Edit: For all of the people that say that he's good, well, my question was more leaning on him being overhyped.

[@EZog58]

Ephraim is pretty dang good, with amazing bases and growths and 1-2 range access at all times. He has a great affinity with a good support pool that he also supports fast with (Duessal, Tana, Kyle are all great and the rest arent outright terrible). His only real flaws are an ok Res stat and footlocked, and his promotion fixes that (I think he gets +5 Res or so on promotion, wtf). But due to route options his availability definitely varies. I would love to hear a critical analysis on him.

[@KahilaTheArtSlime]

Adding to that his other personal weapon, the Reginleif, which is basically the wing spear, on a game with x3 effectiveness; despite being unable to be forged and being on a foot unit, it still is pretty baller, and one of the weapons I'd hammerne other than a warp staff, even if hors eunits diminish as the game goes along

[@Kryptnyt]

I don't think anyone would accuse Ephraim of being bad, since he starts off with good bases and ends the game with good stats every time. He's just consistently excellent. A lot of people are afraid of Ephraim route for some reason but I prefer it!

[@vanjagalovic3621]

Eaphrim is pretty much an early combat God, that destroys waves of enemys easely and has the Reignelief which invalidates half of the enemys in FE8. He's only really held back by his late promotion which makes him unable to gain EXP when he reaches level 20 (which he will usually reach no problem) and footlock which hurts a lot in a game with big maps like FE8 ( just because they're not FE4 big doesn't mean they're small). All of these issues are fixed by his promotion and his second personal weapon gives him extra strenght and allows him to one round almost every enemy in FE8. His main problem is that FE8 is already pretty easy and his combat isn't really that special compared to Seth, Franz and so on, not to mention his weird availability, but still Eaphrim is an excelent lord and definetely worth using

[@misterbadguy7325]

Ephiram is overhyped, but he does what he's supposed to, basically. The summary of him basically boils down to "combat god who's footlocked for a while."

[@XellosNi]

0:43 I swear to God both you AND Ray better be co-commentating in that Mangs LP of Thracia...

[@MrPizzamoe]

I feel like you could make a waifu about nearly any thracia character, because they are so unique and nuanced with their small little perks. I'd really like to see a waifu on knoll from sacred stones. I think there is much to talk about with that whole summoning thing and the 0 luck xD also, I like him

[@findingliospugolini8979]

Hey Mekkah I don’t remember if you’ve talked about him but I would love if you did one of these on Kliff from FE echoes. I’d like my argument of this character being good justified or my eyes opened to his flaws. Great video!

[@fishyfinthing8854]

What I think Leif is good: -Perfect availability: He's always there like it or not. Other units even if they stay with you for most of the game, they will get fatigue and off for a few chapters. -Decent personal weapon: With good range, 60 uses, and can be use as an Elixir. That's mean it's very useful. -Tons of supports: He can just standing near some unit and they gain bonus. Also, have support star for just being around doing nothing. Good candidate for Kingmaker sword. -He have room for improvement: You can still growth boost him with scrolls, spare him some skill books if no one else need. In the end, he will turn out decent even if he's not the best fighter. What people think he's bad: -Low base and growth: This is fixable thanks to scroll and stats boosters. -Sword only: Not too bad because his arsenal can still make up for the lacks of weapon types. -Bad promotion bonus: Not the end of the day even if he can't max any stats. -Low movement: Just get to the point without wasting movement and you will be fine. Overall, I would give him 8/10: His strength come from making other units fight better while being around to give some fighting effort. He's not meant to be the best fighter, racer, or healer or anything. He's meant to be a leader, in fact, I think he's one of the most supportive lord in the series. After all, it's like Mekka said, a unit is not all about how well they fight, it's about how much they can contribute to your victory.

[@maltheopia]

I kind of understand people giving Leif shit for his bad promotion bonus, even if it comes with effectively Super Paragon. Thracia has some of the most busted promotion bonuses in the series and Leif doesn't even get a single point of move. I love Leif as a character and a unit, but man, did Kaga do my boy dirty there.

[@argosleuf]

7:23 Can someone explain to me how *Big Tinks* and _It’s Over Anakin! I Have The High Ground_ are mediocre units? The utilization of -dogs- lances on indoor maps is underrated, at least that’s what Chaz says...methinks iirc.

[@Regdren]

It's nice to have access to good lances if you have them, but the weapon triangle is only 5 hit/avoid iirc. That makes them a lot less necessary than they usually are.

[@DD151]

What lances would you use indoors over a similar or higher ranked axe? Both Dalshin and Xavier would have a much higher axe rank. Chaz is a funny dude with a lot of charisma, but his gameplay opinions are hella suspect sometimes.

[@Choops6969]

@@DD151 being able to use inventory that would normally be useless endgame is the idea. Either way, i find its the better hitrate while building towards D rank that makes them worth. lances have 5% more hit over axes overall not just WT. If there's a choice between iron lance or iron axe im going lances. The option to use higher ranked axes is always there and that's great, but when it's not needed why not work towards javelins/killer lances?

[@DD151]

@@Choops6969 I don't disagree that given a commitment to iron weaponry, then Iron Lances are slightly better. But that's not part of the premise: Iron Lances are competing with Master Axes and the like; I could just slap a Master Axe on Xavier and call it a day. The guy whose thread we are commenting in seems to imply in his question, why are Dalshin and Xavier considered mediocre if they can use lances indoors? To which the answer is, quite rightly, that lances offer barely any utility over axes (Master Lance also has the same hit as Master Axe). If you're going to grind a low weapon rank, pick swords; they have more accurate and fun stuff. Maybe this was not the impression that you had wanted to leave when you first made a passing comment elsewhere on lance use in indoor maps, I don't know, I can't read minds. But generals using lances in FE5 or some variant thereof has been a pitfall since before I first started playing FE in the Ice Age. On the specific subject of "when higher ranked axes are not needed," it's been awhile since I've played FE5 truly casually, but I can't remember the last time I seriously used an iron weapon after, like, chapter 8, except for on a faceless generic or something.

[@Choops6969]

@@DD151 I've thought about focusing on swords, but once again, for the last chapters I've got tons of javs and killer lances not being used at all and my axe/sword inventory being spread across everyone. The point is I can give that axe to someone else who has less options available to them. Also 2 range swords isn't going to be available till B rank, which is not going to happen. I'm not even sure what the OP is referring to tbh, he seems to be memeing. I'm responding to you asking the question "What lances would you use indoors over a similar or higher ranked axe?" The answer is: ones that have higher hit, greater availability, train towards more weapon options and get the job done either way. I figure that if you think that my opinions have some sort of agenda behind them- that's what i assume "hella suspect" means, the best thing to do is to give my thoughts behind them.

[@alexpowell1184]

Perfect intro

[@emiliocorona6207]

Do Olwen next!

[@lulukomadori9651]

Feels cool to share an name with an character from an great series