Wait... Is The Paper Mario Fanbase ACTUALLY Improving?

[@luisoncpp]

I don't think Blue Sky can avoid toxicity just for not being Twitter, my guess is that it will eventually become toxic.

[@FoxVidz2000]

It's a Social Media platform. That's just a guarantee.

[@Zelink108]

Define toxic.

[@JoseViktor4099]

​@@Zelink108" LMAOOO You never played the other games if you say Origami King is your favorite game🤣🤣🤣 . Or that, or you aren´t pretty intelligent to say the least 🤣🤣🤣. Boring game with little to no subtance, stop being a Nintendrone and accept that game is just straight up bad"

[@JoseViktor4099]

​@@Zelink108 " LMAOOO You never played the other games if you say Origami King is your favorite game🤣🤣🤣. Boring game with little to no subtance, stop being a Nintendrone and accept that game is just straight up bad" For instance.

[@ClockworkCrystal]

It is if you look in the right places, twitter as a platform doesn't suddenly make people more toxic, if there's toxic discussion to be had then people will have it, 've seen the same aruguments on youtube, twitter, tumblr, reddit, etc, bluesky wont escape it, there's just a down period in the fanbase right now since it's inbetween games. when the next PM game comes out and it's either like OK or like TTYD it'll spring back up

[@Miccat87]

Well, I hope things continue to stay that way in the foreseeable future, because if I have to see someone say that fans of the classic Paper Mario games are just nostalgia blind one more time, I'm gonna lose my mind. Likewise, nobody should be shamed if they legitimately enjoy the modern Paper Mario games.

[@ranpan6082]

I feel like a lot of the toxicity could've been avoided if people just agreed to disagree and moved on. Some of the critics could be so obnoxious and it would make the supporters more defensive. I know it was hard, especially given the interview made classic fans lose hope of the series ever returning. But it just made civil discussions pretty much impossible. It didn't help that some were trying to push this narrative that Nintendo despised the classic games. It didn't help that we had a certain toxic person wishing horrible things on the developers and telling people that disagreed with them to self delete.

[@DaBaseBallZ]

Recently,I found out about the longest argument on the internet to this day (If you know,You know)

[@JoseViktor4099]

How, I genuely dont know who are you talking to, but I had really long arguments against a *certain orange user* ... I dont know if you do know who im refering to or even if its related.

[@KaiJie-n8q]

@@JoseViktor4099 I also had a long argument with a orange user too...

[@sacripan4425]

The sticker star final boss music ?

[@KaiJie-n8q]

@@sacripan4425 Most likely it is.

[@DaBaseBallZ]

@sacripan4425 Yep

[@aaronTGP_3756]

I am worried things could go right back to square one whenever Paper Mario 7 is announced. That game will need to find the perfect balance to satisfy people on both sides of the fanbase.

[@Miccat87]

Exactly. I think trying to satisfy both sides of the Paper Mario fanbase should be a top priority with Paper Mario 7.

[@wootmasterzorsx]

For my money, all Paper Mario 7 needs to do to satisfy me as a classic Paper Mario fan is have unique character designs (bonus points if they can build off existing character designs) including a set of partners and possibly a battle system that builds off what TTYD and 64 did. The latter isn’t even a requirement, just so long as battles feel like they have purpose. Otherwise, take whatever you want from Origami King- have some system where you fill in the world, more overt paper theming, very much would love world design that is like Origami King’s, some alternate battle style like the Paper Macho fights could be fun… I feel like the characters (and story they bring) are the most important thing for classic Paper Mario, considering Super felt right in line with 64 and TTYD. A battle system that builds off and innovates what the first two did is very much wanted, but so long as the heart and soul of Paper Mario are there, I’m not super picky.

[@FoxVidz2000]

........Yall realize Paper Mario 7 is already out, right? It's Origami King. I think you mean 8 lol

[@wootmasterzorsx]

@ Paper Mario 64- 1 Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door- 2 Super Paper Mario- 3 Paper Mario Sticker Star- 4 Paper Mario Color Splash- 5 Paper Mario The Origami King- 6 If you’re counting Mario and Luigi Paper Jam, then yes, it’s 7. I personally don’t count that as a Paper Mario game; it’s a game Paper Mario is IN, but not a game from the Paper Mario series, as far as I’m concerned. The game was heavily weighed towards the Mario and Luigi side of the crossover, as for the why. But yes, if we are including Paper Jam, which I’m not opposed to doing, it’s 8 we’re waiting on.

[@FoxVidz2000]

​@@wootmasterzorsx Happy to hear that you aren't opposed. Even so, to further support my stance, allow me to add why I'll always count it as among the PM Library. You're free to agree or disagree but understand is all I'd ask anyone. So, upon talking more about it before release, Nintendo themselves referred to Paper Jam as M&L 5 AND PM5 so it's actually the case whether anyone likes it or not. I'm still shocked at how many people don't remember or just choose to ignore that lol. And regardless of how much it leaned more to or how you feel about PJ personally, if nothing else, PJ explained how the Paper Mario Universe exists within/alongside the regular Mario Universe and how both have a Ni No Kuni/Wizard of Oz effect to them, which in turn makes sense as to why Miyamoto himself considers Paper Mario Canon in Mario overall, fun fact. And there you have it.

[@WooperK]

omg YES! finally paper mario fans won't tare my arms and legs off for saying my favourite paper mario is color splash..... no they still will... ok

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Just fewer will do so. So it's an... improvement?

[@ComicalStudios75]

"Tear"

[@WooperK]

@@ComicalStudios75 OMG IS THAT A PAPER REFERENCE!

[@JoseViktor4099]

Nah, I found mfs that says Sticker Star is the best PM game, so this does not surprise me. Even haters should have standards for that to not go over their skin🗿

[@WooperK]

yeah agree, i don't care what's your favourite papermario except unless it's stickerstar

[@markelcraig5042]

I don’t think BlueSky won’t be around for much long.

[@meta527iireviews6]

Double negative

[@M64bros]

I unfortunately have to stay on Twitter since I've already got a bunch of followers on it but it's fine, What I usually do on Twitter is showcase my art/ projects/ Future films/ support other KZbinrs that have the platform/ protect and defend KZbinrs that don't deserve to be bullied and That's pretty much about it. Overall, I'm glad the Paper Mario fan base is finally changing and let's hope it stays that way.

[@Mymy_64]

So glad I left Twitter after it rebranded.

[@FoxVidz2000]

Xitter (pronounced shitter) was always a mistake. I never looked into it.

[@Surgemaster2012]

I wouldn't really just solely blame Twitter for the toxicity of the fanbase, but rather the shift to a more cynical and overly critical mindset people have adapted too nowadays. In fact it has become more notorious and overbearing in all of Nintendo's fanbases, but Paper Mario just happens to have one of the loudest and most annoying ones. Unless I'm with friends, I really just don't enjoy discussing any game in detail, especially the ones that will end up in obvious echo chamber statements, elitism and annoyingly cynical. It started off at first being a reasonable, but vocal critique over fans isolating a group of fans simply for preferring specific games in the series, to just constantly complaining to the point of hyperbole about every little detail (especially TTYD, which I get have obnoxious fans, but honestly I feel people single them out because of the ones who are like that, when there have been fans of every single Paper Mario game with just as bad of elitism in all of them, and even just as loud. And this wasn't just a Twitter thing with Paper Mario, I've seen this on Reddit and even Discord. Even KZbin comment sections, Twitter just so happen to be the catalyst for it. I almost felt ashamed for liking TTYD at times because it got so alienating to be a fan without hearing the same cynical and shortsighted criticisms. (There's also this trend of games people just want to pick on for some reason, first it was TTYD, now all of a sudden everyone hates SPM for some reason, despite people using its story as a shield for criticism before? And people just do this a lot with games now, all of a sudden its just bad) I'm all for discussing flaws in games, but I feel people have gone too far where it just devolves into complaining constantly, even over things that are a minor inconvenience at best or just a gross over exaggeration at worst. And it all seems to happen with games widely considered popular in some weird obsession to be contrarian. This was also around the time fans of games started making video after video over particular games where the same flaws are repeated ad nasuem, with nothing new to add, but presented like its something new)

[@CalaHestoomi]

We have the same problem here in Splatoon's community. There are so many Splatubers who make Splatoon 3 look as bad as Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing, to make the most money. Fans not only believe them, but they spread their message like the Word of God. This is why we have been an echo chamber of negativity for the past two years. The negativity also spread into the Zelda and Mario & Luigi communities. A vocal minority believed IGN's Brothership review on one of their worst years of all time.

[@Surgemaster2012]

@@CalaHestoomi I 100% AGREE WITH YOU! And its my biggest issue with modern game, specifically related to Nintendo IPs. People don't really treat games as an experience to enjoy or engage with anymore, they treat it as a checklist to just mark off and do things and whenever the slightest inconvenience comes they spend so much of their time complaining about it. To the point echo chambers get made of that one (or more) minor inconvenience or something that REALLY isn't that bad they just make worse for whatever reason to the point where engaging in most circles about certain games becomes just an echo chamber of grown men complaining about the same things over and over again. Often to the point of hyperbole. You'd think someone literally offended them or their family or something the way they express such vitrol over things they get triggered by. Like sure, we all have our annoyances in games and when we find them pointing them out is fine and fair and CAN create interesting debates. The issue is that it all feels the same now, like everyone gets triggered by a lot of the same things in games or blow up issues that while are issues, make them worse than they seem. My thing is that a game is never going to be a 100% smooth and painless experience, even ones you love. And if people don't even bother to engage with a game and just form their relationship with a game on just being a checklist, then why invest in a hobby that requires putting hours of your time into content made to take time to engage with? (In many cases they focus SO much on the negatives to the point their relationship with a game, even if they love it feels like an abusive one. Why would you want a relationship with a game you love to be an abusive relationship? That's just toxic) You really should get another hobby in that case. And because people treat games this way it often leads to a lot of misinformation or lack of understanding a game's ideals. People can enjoy games how they want, but for me I like taking in everything and seeing what the game is offering me, not just play through a checklist to mark off, then overreact to the smallest of incoveniences. I can speak from experience these people are annoying in real life. There are also the gamers who are condescending and insult other gamers for how they play a game. There's also the fact everything has to be political or systemic now. ESPECIALLY when it comes to female characters in games, gamers always have to insert some kind of political or systemic opinion into factoring their overall judgement of the game. And considering how politics are. Its self explanatory.

[@Marcustzb]

I've pulled out of Twitter 28 minutes after the announcement 2 months back as a "Perkyship Gesture". I'm kind of Paper Mario enjoyer since i got Origami King back in May 2023 and might looking for opportunity to play past Paper Mario games.

[@Cliffordlonghead]

stop

[@cyanryann64]

I will never understand people who complain about toxicity in shit like just don't interact with fandoms like normal people or avoid shit mf act like it will kill them if something is suddenly upsetting

[@KimWexlerGaming-hi9sh]

(unrelated) i left twitter yesterday and felt abit less negative than usual like it actually felt like huge relief to not be in there anymore

[@fg64784]

Not until they can hear that I prefer Sticker Star to Super Paper Mario, Bowser's Inside Story, & Brothership without popping a blood vessel.

[@JoseViktor4099]

im sh/tting blood rn

[@volvoman5262]

Or just say that Paper Jam is better than Brothership withound being made fun.

[@RAHRYE]

I prefer sticker Star to TTYD lol. I’m going to be destroyed three seconds after enter the paper Mario community

[@inciniumz4671]

lol bait

[@inciniumz4671]

@@volvoman5262 that's objective not true

[@SuperGoker64]

Don't be fooled. The only reason why the classic fans seem tamer now is because they're being sated by the release of the game they've been hashtag-campaigning about for years, and likewise, the only reason why modern fans seem tamer is because they aren't being _as_ antagonized by the classic fans as a result. Once the next Paper Mario game gets announced, they'll be back in full force. The _only_ way I'll believe things will EVER improve is if the classic fans start apologizing to the modern fans. But I know they won't, because they seem to hate modern PM more than they love classic PM.

[@MagiaErebea028]

Do I hate origami king? No do I like origami king? No, do I prefer origami king to the original and paper. Mario, two no what I do hate is sticker, star, and color splash.

[@BayeBoy-wl1br]

Finally no more childish whining from the fans I can sleep well now

[@meta527iireviews6]

That's surprising, I was told that it was the SERIES that needed to change, not the fanbase.

[@Mentelgen-1337]

Things can’t be worse then new Vegas fans lmfao. It’s like a league and a cod 2013 player had a child. Edit: they took the postal 3 isn’t really joke and ran ham with it.

[@jopepperjo8549]

Logically, if you see less "negativity" (if we dont take into account that the discussion just died down because of relevancy), its because you are in an echo-chamber of "positivity". So when you call Bluesky less of an echo chamber than Twitter, thats quite funny. People are prone to disagreement because they have diverse opinions, experiences and ideas, which you kind of equates to negativity. If you dont see negativity when another game is annonced or when something becomes relevant concerning the series, that means you are in an echo-chamber of positivity, in other word, an echo-chamber of people with similar opinions. Cherry on top, Bluesky is stronger on censorship, so less people with diverse opinions. The hater boner of some people about X/Twitter is rooted in their disliking of different views and opinions, which they considier "toxic" and the fact that it censors less.

[@battlesofparadise]

I think after the release of TTYD remake, Both sides of the fanbase are starting to realize that Nintendo actually does still care about Classic Paper Mario.

[@DKCGaming339]

This is the moment Twitter became X

[@Paper256-v8b]

I would definitely agree that the fan base is getting a lot better now that the TTYD remake is out. Here’s hoping it’ll stay that way for the next four years until the next game in the series comes out. We’ll just wait and see!

[@hgmd3284]

Sticker star and color splash are good games. Nobody wanted them. I’m here to pick up the cards. Yes even the battle systems Also I’ve been playing TTYD Remake. I’m really loving it.

[@cyanryann64]

Bruh both of these games are objectively just bad to ok you can like them but that doesn't make them suddenly good overnight

[@hgmd3284]

@@cyanryann64 no theyre not bad. just different.

[@SSKO2]

⁠@@hgmd3284so is Super Paper Mario and even that game has it’s detractors

[@TVobe2010]

We're finaly back to our paper roots...but on a serios note, im very..VERY glad we dont have to listen to the society kids, teens and adults that hated the original paper mario games only sticker star and color splash ruined those things bit by bit yet it still kept SOME...elements like the classic battles... anyhoo my next point if im not wrong is that super paper mario divided the fanbase since it was like an expiremental 2D game mixing the NES Super Mario Bros the old era where Peach was debuted as an playable character in the sequel and bowser for been the most goofy terryfing boss across the franchise. Reece ty so much i wanted to hear this message now that we are moving foward whit.... "Paper Mario!"

[@FNAFman1983]

YOOOO THIS FILLS ME WITH SO MUCH SEROTONIN THANK GOODNESS

[@cyanryann64]

Bruh nobody uses bluesky that platform is worse than Twitter and has more diddy type people on it

[@sacripan4425]

twitter have cp traders who get unsuspended and a blue checkmark but ok

[@Reecee]

“Diddy type people” You’re literally describing Twitter since Elon took over, the whole site is filled with porn bots, racists, and pedo defenders, it’s completely unusable nowadays.

[@TheAwsomeMario64]

Impossible.

[@lonelyonionagain.]

But i thought that was a myth!

[@gboogie3257]

I can’t say for fact but I think nowadays people have just…stopped caring about paper Mario on Twitter nowadays and have just left opinions alone ngl Last year I posted a ttyd chapter tier list review and Chapter 3 was put into D tier (not as bait btw) and I was like “yeah people are gonna get angry at me but whatever lol) and…nothing actually happened No anger, no replies, no “you’re wrong lol?, or any insults just…nothing Granted take this with a pile of salt because I’m basically a no body on Twitter lol but the fact that it gained literally no kind of reaction besides a few likes leads me to believe more people gave just… Left paper Mario talk of opinions or general on the down lol

[@jiyucy]

you don't see people disagreeing with each other on Reddit or Bluesky because you aren't allowed to LMAO

[@Reecee]

@@jiyucy I do see people disagreeing though, there is a clear difference between just simply disagreeing with someone and being toxic about it.

[@jiyucy]

@@Reecee what you're seeing is "safe" disagreement, ACTUALLY having a different opinion will get you banned

[@Reecee]

​@@jiyucy What are you even talking about? The only people who ever get banned from these platforms are people posting hateful/harmful content, not an opinion like "Sticker Star is my favorite Paper Mario game" unless you meant it in a figurative sense. And what do you even mean by "safe disagreement"? You mean agreeing to disagree or respectfully disagreeing because that's just a normal, healthy conversation, not people feeling pressure about being unable to share their opinions. Those are two completely different situations.

[@jiyucy]

​@@Reecee of course that's how you think it is, you're a Reddit moderator

[@sacripan4425]

​@@jiyucyNever saw someone getting banned for saying they like Sticker Star, so for now that's a bias

[@GeorgeSimpleton]

I’m the guy who said that SPM is 10% better than TTYD.

[@Cliffordlonghead]

hii

[@KaiJie-n8q]

I still get flamed for thinking ss is a good game.

[@trunguss]

torched

[@KaiJie-n8q]

@@trunguss ...What?

[@trunguss]

@@KaiJie-n8q me flamin' u

[@KaiJie-n8q]

@@trunguss wth is wrong with you?

[@trunguss]

@@KaiJie-n8q flame'd