The Lessons of Desert Storm

[@josephobrien942]

Ward Carroll thank you for your service to this country. Your presentations about the US role in Desert Storm are terrific

[@bisbonian1183]

Good afternoon, Ward. It's refreshing to hear your accurate information and clear explanations that are easy for people unfamiliar with the subject to understand. I was an Air Force KC-135 driver, deployed to Egypt for Desert Shield, then Saudi Arabia for Desert Storm, then Turkey for the Northern no-fly zone, and finally Southern Watch. About two weeks before Desert Storm, my crew, and several others, were chosen to train with the F-117s to prepare all of us to work together to complete their missions. I credit my outstanding Navigator for our crew being chosen, because the -117s had some very demanding requirements for timing and precise navigation on our part, to get them close to their targets. We learned a couple of things that we didn't expect...we could in fact find them on the radar. Knowing where they were supposed to be helped a lot. But they had some difficulties seeing us. We started out trying to rendezvous with them with no lights on. Didn't work. The geometry of their cockpit, plus some special coatings on their windows, and helmets, made it had for them to see a darkend KC-135. As we always made the rendezvous over Saudi Arabia, and with the tankers headed south, we decided to make the join ups with our lights on. That worked quite a bit better, and then once we were joined up, we turned off the lights, and all other emitters. We got another surprise, the night the war kicked off. My crew, and four others, met in the SKIF and were briefed on our mission for that night. For some 20 years, the KC-135s had been asking for radar warning receivers. The answer was always , "no, you will never be used beyond the Forward Edge of the Battle Area (FEBA), so you won't need them." The same went for chaff and flares. So, night one of Desert Storm, a Major rolled out a chart, showing our route, up to the west of Baghdad, and the F-117s push points. The senior pilot among the five crews, a Lieutenant Colonel, objected...and was overruled. The Major then looked around the room, and (probably because I was the tallest, and caught his eye), said "You, you're lead...this is where you are going." Soon we got another surprise...the F-117s could not fly through clouds, because there was a screen over their engine inlets that would ice up if they flew through any icing conditions. We spent as time looking for clouds as we did for other threats! That first night, the five tankers, and ten F-117s, were escorted by 6 F-15s, and two EF-11s. Everything went like clockwork, because of all the effort to knock out the SAM systems that you explained, as well as one of my receivers taking out the AT&T building downtown, and most of Iraq's communications. We had no problems, so, the second night, we had no escorts. Unfortunately, the AWACS aircraft saw us as five lonely tankers, headed north by themselves, and gave us the secret codeword to turn around and head south, away from Iraq. Our F-117s had to follow, because they were too far from their targets for the gas that they had. Mission scrubbed. The third, and successive nights went like clockwork, for a few weeks. Ultimately, I did that mission 23 times...one of the last finishing up with running away from an SA-2 (unguided.) We got the list and postions of all mobiles SAMs as the last thing we grabbed going out the door. Usually we could find a corridor to avoid them, but that night we were stuck with the big SAM blocking our way home. My boom operator, 'Mikey' spotted the launch, below the clouds, and then flash up through the cloud layer, and coming generally toward us. Then it went above us, and Mike lost sight of it. I couldn't maneuver like an F-14, obviously...all I could do was the Monty Python maneuver. About then we started doing other missions, F-15Es on strike missions, F-4s as Wild Weasels, and F-16s flying CAP. We even took some A-6s up the Gulf, with the dreaded Iron Maiden attached to our refueling boom. That all went well. My crew went home, briefly, because my airplane had been in the Middle East long enough to miss two major scheduled inspections, and it was falling apart. I spent another couple of deployments and several months in theater, until it was time for me either take a desk job I didn't want, or get out. I chose civilian life.

[@bisbonian1183]

@@larryknudsen1105 Thanks a lot, for that little tidbit! (Now, if I can just remember it...)

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

What is the Monty Python maneuver?

[@nabilbudiman271]

Nice info ! I always wondered if the tankers were equipped with RWR, ECM, or other defensive measure and wondering what if SAMs got fired on tankers and is it possible to jinked the missile. So my view that tankers is less vulnerable apparently wrong

[@bisbonian1183]

@@foreverpinkf.7603 "Run AWAY!"

[@bisbonian1183]

@Russavot I love the Egyptians. Great attitudes, fantastic sense of humor, generous. Unless they are in an airplane. We called them Cowboys; they usually rushed into position behind the tanker with far too much energy. Underrunning the tanker is extremely dangerous for both airplanes. We would call "Breakaway" if they were coming in too fast, but instead of chopping their power and dropping down a thousand feet like they were supposed to, they just kept on coming...forcing me to try to outrun them, until they got the picture. I didn't refuel any Arabs, but I listened to them on the radios. Ever see video of arabs shooting an AK-47 over a wall, just spraying bullets, not looking where they are going? It's the same in the air..or at least it was some 30 years ago. Turks were fine pilots, but then I was shocked to find that while I was protecting Iran's Kurds, I was giving fuel to Turkish F-4s, so they could bomb Turkish Kurds.

[@BMF6889]

It's hard to believe that my tour in Vietnam as a Marine platoon commander was over 50 years ago, because it doesn't seem that way to me.

[@michaelmaker8169]

A buddy of mine was in shield and storm. M1A1 Tanks. Was glued to TV to see he was ok. I just thank God y'all made it home. Pretty tense. 🙏

[@Alan1978M]

Another fantastic video Ward.You had me gripped from start to finish

[@sebastien3351]

An extremely good report - information on how to evade SAMs and keep one's maneuvering energy, thank you very much.

[@gundamdunham7479]

Well, I was in kindergarten when Desert Storm happened. I watched it when there was a breaking news flash on TV.

[@RagsHSC-7]

Great commentary as usual... Love the F 14 Tomcat & Always love to see it on the cat and in recovery. Hilo pilot for sure. My personal opinion if they would’ve adopted the F 21 it would’ve filled all the gaps from low and slow ground support to Full out interceptor not to exclude of course prioritize missions. As always thank you for keeping it real 😎 p.s. Now retired and disabled as far as games are concerned for those who have not. Air Combat OL for android and iOS. I have most of the aircraft and I am team leader of the VF - 1 Wolfpack. The F-14 tomcat I have acquired both models in this game. Just a FYI. Keep up the good job. Of course I share as often as possible to our fighter wing especially those that describe such as this one maintaining your energy. Ty God bless

[@frtknokr583]

Ward...during that time, our Brothers were in harm's way. Maine Corps Brothers as well as Navy brothers. I love your channel, man.

[@glennsieja4009]

Great vid again Ward, thanks. Our Navy's historical unpreparedness for conflict is embarrassing. We spend a lot of $$ and a lot of time and our Navy's leadership continues to put us in bad situations because of poor strategic planning. Not being able to get tactical orders in theater because we did not effectively plan comms is just "Unsat" and yet another example of how poorly we prepare for conflict. My 2 cents.

[@robertgutheridge9672]

Agreed. It doesn't feel like its been 30 years. I was a young man at the time

[@victormurray7849]

I remember the start of Desert Storm worried about the pilots. My friends fathers were Air Force pilots and I knew the families. In retrospect what a fantastic professional job they did!!

[@Golfrnut]

I wouldn’t say DS was the last time guys worried about SAMs, we still had more than a few get SAM shots taken at them over Iraq in ‘03. Same goes for Bosnia. Same goes for the 10 years proceeding DS during ONW/OSW. To the same numbers as DS, no, but still a significant threat.

[@rlicon1970]

You did mentón Turkey. I was at Incirlik AB. Considered a model of the future composite bases to come. They even had a article about it in Stars and Stripes. You mentioned IFF and there was an incident where a PAC 1 missile was fired at because he didn't use it. It was weird. My job was making water for refuelers who use water during take off.

[@oldtownbill1]

Mr Ward. My name is bill Crocker in Hickory, NC. I very much enjoy your F-14 sessions. Shortly after leaving the Navy myself I lived in Virginia Beach in 1976-79. My neighbor was F-14 Pilot Dave Formo. Dave and his crew member were killed in their F-14 during a high altitude training exercise I believe off the coast os Spain? I would like to know if you knew Dave Formo and the circumstances of his accident?

[@WardCarroll]

Didn’t know Dave and not familiar with that mishap. Sorry.

[@damienparoski2033]

I have a question, if I may, about your opinion on stealth fighters and older aircraft. There are many who claim that older aircraft, like the A10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog), are useless in modern warfare, even with air superiority achieved, becuase they are not stealth fighters. What is your opinion?

[@Joshua_N-A]

The reason the pilot managed to dodge the SAMs might because of the plane he's in, the F-16 Fighting Falcon which is a light aircraft and planes like the Eagle and Tomcats are heavy fighters. Small fighters have the agility to dodge SAMs, if it's in the hands of a very capable pilot.

[@starga-fr7qx]

F14's and F15's dodged SAMs just as well.. Snort has told the story about him dodging one over Iraq . Yanking 10+ G to shake it and then flaming out one engine in doing so

[@Kyakid]

As an Infantry Jarhead who was told we would take 50% casualties, I appreciated standing on the deck of the LHA at night and watching the over-the-horizon glow of the bombs striking their targets. And was grateful that the casualty predictions were massively overstated.

[@nelsonzambrano5788]

Casualty estimates were not overstated...We were just alot than what we gave ourselves credit for...ps: I thank the Vietnam veterans that stayed in for that...

[@stevenschrecengost5607]

@@nelsonzambrano5788there were over 700,000 troops that took part in the entire gulf war and only 13,400 casualties. Yeah that’s wayyyyyyy overstated..

[@FLMKane]

​@@stevenschrecengost5607less than 300 use casualties in Gulf War 1

[@nelsonzambrano5788]

@@stevenschrecengost5607 Nope - Most Commanders were Vietnam Veterans, who had led at the company level (LT's and Captains) - I remember one saying, that it was normal in a pitched battle w/the North Vietnamese Army(NVA) to have 30% of his platoon wounded...1) We didn't fight against the NVA (2) We had alot more training than troops going to Vietnam (3) USAF and coalition army was very systematic in attacking Republican Guard and other Iraqi units. PS: USAF Generals (also Vietnam War veterans) didn't want to have failure pinned on them either.

[@garyowen9044]

I stood on top of our 577 that night, and watched the show unfold right in front of me. For me, it was eerily like the “tears in rain” soliloquy from the movie Blade Runner.

[@kenwilson3304]

Navy might not have gotten the choice CAP duty, but F-14 TARPS provided 90% of the battlefield-level reconnaissance because the AF had no photo recon assets. I still have the letter we received from Gen. Schwarzkopf commending us for the excellent photos we provided him.

[@cturdo]

A limited number of RF-4Cs served in Desert Storm.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

...satellites imaging and flights you aren’t cleared to know about were done, there is no way in hell that any special ops units went in blind without recon photos.

[@matthewbracht940]

@@cturdo 18-RF-4c's were deployed

[@GBDubstep]

I’m pretty sure the USAF had the U-2 and photo recon satellites

[@CharlesFreck]

@@GBDubstep U-2 flights were used, but only for the purpose for finding mobile scud launchers and other stationery assets, not Battlefield recon during the ground force invasion. Recon satellites also can't provide battlefield-level reconnaissance, they're not in the right spot at the right time every time. Both you and efin dumb (proving his name correct) immediately proved you didn't actually bother to read Ken's comment properly, or don't know enough about military technology to make a reply. He specifically said "90% of battlefield-level recon" i.e. not 100%, and not all recon. Just the majority of battlefield-level recon. Even with RF-4c's deployed, that doesn't mean they were ready to go and operational at the time when they were needed. I see no reason to doubt Ken's account of the AF lacking photo recon assets. It's very much plausible they were not ready to perform recon tasks amongst everything else. It also doesn't mean the RF-4C was being used for battlefield-level intelligence, it might have been occupied with other tasks, like observing troop movements in the reserve.

[@ravener96]

one thing about the f16 vs 6 sams, his chaff dispensers malfunctioned, he fought them off on aerial manouver alone.

[@Nghilifa]

WOW!

[@jimlthor]

I wonder if anyone had a "map" of his maneuvers.

[@jimlthor]

I ended up finding something where a guy recreated it in DCS World with supposedly the same inputs.

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

hahaha! :))))))))

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

really a crappy joke!

[@Swerve1982]

As a Marine veteran who served in OIF and OEF, including the re invasion of Iraq in 2003, it is very interesting to hear of the events 12 years earlier and correlating that to all the blown out tanks and aircraft we still encountered along the way into Iraq. Thank you for all the stories, please keep it up!!!

[@rmp5s]

Oorah, motivator.

[@boydrobertson2362]

Saw a lot of the tanks in 03' as a scout sniper. One of my most interesting memories is when we nested in a scorched T-54 or maybe a T-62. My fella that was spotting for me was much more of a historian than my young ass from Oklahoma and he told me how violently and efficiently Iraq's armor was destroyed. It made all the graveyards of beautiful, classic Soviet tanks make perfect and logical sense lmao

[@leokelly359]

@@boydrobertson2362 I drove through that area on my way to the right hook. edit: also the highway of death

[@dennisantenucci7574]

Ward, Great report & analysis. I am another Veteran from Vietnam who was an advisor/contractor in Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield to Desert Storm. Like many other expats I was less than a couple miles from the RSAF air base in Riyadh in 1990 after Iraq had invaded Kuwait. And remember watching USAF flights landing and taking off 24-7 on the mob up to the land/air assault in 1991... When President George H. Bush pulled the trigger on liberating Kuwait there were many of us who were saying out loud "don't F this up like what happened in Nam"...Well President Bush did not disappoint. He/we liberated Kuwait and even better after wards he stopped going further into Iraq. All we armchair quarterbacks in the rear with the gear could think was a great thanks for his leadership.

[@otisdriftwood8469]

This information is amazing. Thank you. My uncle was a navy pilot in Vietnam. He was shot down in an A- 4e Skyhawk off of the midway. He was MIA for many years and still is as far as we are concerned. Although the navy changed his status to killed in action years ago. It's great to get these stories from real naval officers and pilots who have been there. Awsome channel!

[@Masta-Blasta]

Literally jaw dropping that carriers in Desert Storm had to physically fly a plane to central command to pick up orders that are by the time they are received hours if not days old, unbelievable!!!

[@ronaldrey8474]

Communication is #1 biggest issue with all military & not just U.S. hehehe today Russia

[@weaponeer]

As a Desert Shield - Desert Storm Army Vet I remember it very well. We got to Saudi Arabia I think late Oct 1990 (arrived at midnight and it was still 80 degrees F.) and we did not leave until July 1991. I stayed in until 2002 (18 years) - now a disabled veteran.

[@BonJovi1987Fan]

Thank you for your service.

[@That_Freedom_Guy]

Cheers mate! 🍻 Thanks. 👍

[@chrispetty8587]

I am ish I was still in siring this. Unfortunately I discharged in 1981.

[@vtwinaddicted5852]

Thank you for your service my friend

[@johnbridges6867]

Sir I have just read your words re Desert Storm. Your very last words touched me deep because I have injuries too. I am a civvy and I am a Complete supporter of our countries general military and Help The Hero’s charity. Also have spent a lot of time by invitation with the pilots of the famous Guinea Pig Club who were injured in WW11. So I have seen a lot of injured great men. So I want and need you to know Sir with the Greatest respect to you, that you are NOT disabled Sir!!! What you and I have is A Problem, not disabled, But a problem, that’s all, a bit of a problem! If we think about it we could say Everyone (and to just use that wrong negative word just this one time disabled ) has Something that they just Cannot do, and what they Cannot do Is A Problem for them! People treated me as disabled for around 4 years, then as I always as a boy had a passion for aircraft, so one day I had a pleasure flight in a Cessna 150. The instructor let me take control and fly the aircraft, WOW that was it, I booked my first lesson, and went on to gain my pilots licence, taught myself basic aerobatics, then flew Bi-planes. Then later invested in and became an owner of a formation aerobatic team called the Skyhawks Aerobatic Team, at Biggin Hill airport Uk. I am not bragging Sir I just wanted to help an Army man, as was my father! I hope this is of help to you Sir and I Wish you All the Very Best and to have All that you want and need. Follow your heart and let NOTHING stop you. Gods Big happy blessings for you. Sincerely JB. Oxted. Surrey. UK.

[@somebodyelse836]

As a someone who was on the ground I only ever wanted to see an A10 above me

[@Mugdorna]

I can understand that point of view. But operationally if the troops in contact need an A-10 then the interdiction from the rest of the Air Force hasn’t gone to plan.

[@RGC-gn2nm]

Roger that My supposedly clear LZ got hot. Went to arty no effect. A10 about fifteen minutes into solved the issue. 300 prisoners

[@spfldhydro]

When Ward mentions Russian tanks, I had a flashback of topping the last hill on the highway leading from KKMC before the intersection with the highway that parallels the Saudi Arabia/Iraq border and seeing a T72 sitting there. We had about 15 seconds of panic before realizing it was an Egyptian MP unit performing traffic control at the intersection.

[@bosoerjadi2838]

Wolf Blitzer wasn't one of the 'CNN boys in Bagdad". They were Peter Arnett, John Holliman and Bernard Shaw.

[@barryfletcher7136]

Blitzer was in Dhahran and broadcasting from the roof of the Dhahran international Hotel at the airport.

[@ALSNewsNow]

@@barryfletcher7136 Actually, no. Wolf Blitzkrieg was inside the Pentagon CNN press office when the shooting started in Desert Storm. The FULL audio is on YT, and he clearly states he's at the Pentagon many times.

[@barryfletcher7136]

@@ALSNewsNow I watched him on CNN broadcasting live from the roof of the Dhahran International Hotel during the period Iraq was launching Scud missiles into Saudi Arabia. it was of interest to me because I had stayed at that hotel. However, you are correct that he was in the USA when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

[@pkelly3463]

It's too bad they didn't stay over there...

[@sirbader1]

Apparently, none of you have seen the fake footage from a rooftop in Atlanta. Sad, really.

[@VigilanteAgumon]

In Tom Clancy's semi-autobiographical book about USAF General Chuck Horner, "Every Man a Tiger," it was also suggested that the Air Force took precedence over the Navy because a carrier-based sortie cost ten times as much to execute as a land-based sortie at the time. Also, I seem to remember reading somewhere that Tomcat crews had to use automotive police radar detectors because the F-14A's RHAW system couldn't detect the SAM radar network.

[@ianrose666]

You have a very nuanced way of putting things Ward. Very nuanced. It’s a breath of fresh air. I love it, and hope you keep it coming. 👍

[@dmutant2635]

Good observation. He sounds like a regular guy talking about his day at work. A guy who loves his job. That's one reason he's very listenable. Once I asked a young VF-11 pilot about the Tomcat's AWG-9 radar. He immediately directed me to his RIO. lol I'm hooked.

[@thesaltysergeant4103]

I was a soldier for the Canadian Army during desert Storm. Although we didnt participate in direct action. I stood a post during that conflict during this time. I will never forget it. It prepared me for what was to come in the future.

[@BasePuma4007]

Were you still in the Army during the war on terror?

[@dirtydave2691]

You have a fascinating channel sir. I served in the U.S. Army from 1987-2008. I was in the 24th Infantry Division during Desert Storm. Desert Storm was a fascinating time to serve. Ironically I drove through the same part of Southern Iraq (Hwy 8) in 2003 during Operation Iraqi Freedom. This time we were going the opposite way!

[@Gravel1331]

I was a US Army ground troop during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Before the ground war started we were on the border of Saudi Arabia and Iraq well to the west of the western "point" of Kuwait. I remember looking up and watching tankers making big, long oval "race tracks" over the border and watching all manner of aircraft come in for airborne refueling. I'd estimate they were somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000 feet elevation... but then I'm not an aircraft guy, so I couldn't be sure. But it was pretty neat.

[@leokelly359]

I remember watching that too! an seeing jet after jet crossing the border, night and day 24/7.

[@smacdiesel]

I was an undergrad studying history when that war broke out. I had a history prof that taught Middle Eastern history at that time. He argued that this war would create an enormous amount of problems for America and that the outcome would be treacherous. This video and your historical summary made me remember his concerns, thanks for bringing this perspective to light.

[@AMorgan57]

A great book just published (2023) is A Stranger in Your Own City, by Ghaith Abdul-Ahad. An Iraqi journalist tells of those after-effects.

[@CaptainDangeax]

A French Jaguar was shot by a missile during Desert Storm and was able to come back. The damaged plane is now exposed in "Musée du Bourget" just north of Paris, with a big hole in the right engine and hull

[@FirstDagger]

Jaguar A91 at the Musée de l'air et de l'espace for anybody who wants to look that up, thanks for sharing Dangeax.

[@chrischan8282]

It was later known that that F-16 pilot’s countermeasures systems were actually broken when he evaded those SAMs.

[@josepablolunasanchez1283]

Did he spend 2 days sleeping after that? I do not think any astronaut has ever faced such high Gs for so long.

[@TheGunterGlieben]

@@1mc568 yeah, he would’ve had a bit of adrenaline in his system for a while.

[@prokremelskidezolati1426]

:)))))) yeah, "broken" - good story for Holywood

[@chrischan8282]

@@prokremelskidezolati1426 www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Documents/2016/January%202016/0116packageq.pdf Page 4

[@sd906238]

Years ago Taiwan sent 5 U-2's over China. 4 were shot down. The pilot of the 5th U-2 returned to base and upon hearing the other 4 were shot down commented. "Boy I was sure lucky not to get shot down because I forgot to turn on my ECM jammer." Turns out the missiles were homing in on the ECM jammers.

[@UltraDad]

Hey Ward, I was an Air Force brat stationed at Hahn AB in Germany during Desert Storm. My dad was a flight surgeon attached to an F16 wing and had many friends who deployed to Saudi Arabia. Thanks for sharing your stories and info. I remember as an 8 year old boy being woken on a Saturday morning in November maybe when the entire wing of F16 squadrons took off to deploy. Crazy memory I will never forget!

[@Meyblc70]

Small world. I was a young F-16 crew chief in the 313th at Hahn. A small group of us left a few days before the 10th deployed and we went to Moron AB Spain. A few days later, all the Hahn jets arrived at Moron. They spend about 36 hours there before moving on to the AOR. Goo times.

[@UltraDad]

@@Meyblc70 yep my dad was with the 10th! Always loved that patch.

[@ArmycAv2nd]

My god 30 years.... time has been a blur... That was my first of many combat deployments. I was with the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment, the finest, oldest continously serving calvary regiment in the Army. We spearheaded the ground forces in and main mission was the Republican Guards with the left hook as it had been called and we finished at the battle of the 73 Easting.

[@josephnorman2699]

I was an AT3 in Va-87 on INDEPENDENCE. This was the A-7 days before the Golden Warriors went to the F/A-18. I was in the Persian Gulf when Reagan was inaugurated. Interesting times. Loved my Navy days! About to finish a 40+ year career at Delta airlines. FLY NAVY!!!

[@charlesprevatte4164]

In the beginning, when you talked about the initial interdictions of the Iraqi IADS on the first night of Desert Storm you forgot to mention the 8 AH63As from the 101st ABN(AA) that destroyed the radar installations to open the air corridor. Cool video of that strike here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJnTmHaXhdR1l6c

[@jeesmith99]

Thanks for the recommendation. Good video.

[@AA-xo9uw]

"AH63As" AH-64As

[@richardmarquardt6246]

Very interesting perspective on the lessons learned from Desert Storm especially from the Navy Aviation perspective. However, I have always felt that the way it ended helped lead to the second war against Saddam. I think the war should have gone on a another couple of days to finish off the Republican Guard but NOT to go all the way to Baghdad. Second, there is NO way the Iraqi surrender should have been from a lower level Iraqi general. We should have insisted that Saddam himself surrender. Face is very important in the Middle East and that allowed Saddam to later claim he was not personally defeated. We will never know if that approach would have avoided the second war but we certainly know how the approach we took ended.

[@Stubbies2003]

Well IMO the problem with stopping where we did made it so that Saddam stayed in power and since he controlled ALL of the media source he could tell the vast majority of people there any bullshit that he wanted to. He could easily have said that they actually won and that is why the fighting stopped. How would they know any different than what they were told? I think what we should have done is marched our army across the entire country so there wouldn't have been a single Iraqi citizen that didn't see us there the first time. Not to effect the regime change but just so that they ALL saw us there then leave. That would have done a great deal to eliminate Saddam's ability to bullshit his people.

[@robertodell9193]

Either fight to win or don't fight at all.

[@TesterAnimal1]

He seemed defeated to me when that rope snapped tight.

[@sztypettto]

Gulf War 2 was never needed. GWB wanted regime change and he was out for blood. Saddam didn't have WMDs, he was not linked to Al-Qaeda or any terrorist organisation, nor was he involved in 9/11 in any way. Hate to bring in politics to an amazing recount by the soldiers, pilots, and sailors - US screwed over Saddam by provoking him to attack Iran, double-crossing him on Kuwait, and then sponsoring the Kurds to stir trouble, as extra fodder to invade Iraq. When Saddam was hung, he was hung on the charges of attacking Kurds and nothing else. Sure I love all the games, movies, music, and technology that came out of the war, not to mention Arnie's True Lies. But there could have been other easier paths to achieve the same goals.

[@sztypettto]

Gulf War 2 was never needed. GWB wanted regime change and he was out for blood. Saddam didn't have WMDs, he was not linked to Al-Qaeda or any terrorist organisation, nor was he involved in 9/11 in any way. Hate to bring in politics to an amazing recount by the soldiers, pilots, and sailors - US screwed over Saddam by provoking him to attack Iran, double-crossing him on Kuwait, and then sponsoring the Kurds to stir trouble, as extra fodder to invade Iraq. When Saddam was hung, he was hung on the charges of attacking Kurds and nothing else. Sure I love all the games, movies, music, and technology that came out of the war, not to mention Arnie's True Lies. But there could have been other easier paths to achieve the same goals.

[@MrJeffcoley1]

Lesson #1: Air supremacy is a good thing.

[@rzr2ffe325]

Also to the Stroke energy management topic. Even though he was mashing the countermeasures button, not a single chaff was released. It had malfunctioned. And they didn’t realize this until he was back on the ground, but he hd kinematically defeated each incoming missile.

[@philismenko]

My dad was a cook on the ground during desert storm, as such I want to learn a lot more about it

[@Icriedtoday]

My eyes tear up when I hear the stress in their voices as they fight for their lives, and on my behalf. God bless you all.

[@thewarper3393]

Yeah... That wasn't really on your behalf.

[@RawPower7]

Oil.

[@natowaveenjoyer9862]

@@RawPower7 "muh oil" Sterilize yourself.

[@RawPower7]

@@natowaveenjoyer9862 because of oil? Ok.

[@inyobill]

You can win every battle, and still lose the war. My heart goes out to the little folks. I am proud of my support for the Navy and Marine Corps aviators. The shot of an aviator standing in the hole in the port wing of the Intruder that he and his B/N flew home sort of got me. I believe A/6s were the only self-designators for LG weapons. The Nighthawks cleared the highway for the Dump Trunks of Death.

[@jjquinn2004]

I lived in the Gulf for 25 years (UAE/Kuwait/Saudi Arabia) and was living in Dubai at the time of Desert Shield and Storm. One of my fondest memories was being outside and watching all the aircraft overhead as they headed up to the Kuwait/Iraq region. With their flashing lights, they looked like lightning bugs on a hot summer night. BTW, when you mentioned where U.S. air assets were based, you left out the UAE. Being much further away from the action, I don't think there were fighter aircraft there, but I know there were KC-135 refueling tankers either in Dubai or Sharjah.

[@mscdorman]

can you believe what Dubai has turned into in the last 30 years!

[@dblgonzo]

Good story, Greetings from a fellow Pukin' Dog I was a TARPS photographer in VF143 81-85.

[@mscdorman]

Hello Ward. New to your channel.. I was a Young Marine in the Gulf War. I was stationed at the port of Al-Jubail, Saudi. I was tasked as a young Marine to go out and do a recovery. It was the crash site of Reggie Underwood, a Marine Harrier Pilot that was shot down. We walked around the desert picking up "everything that didnt belong" and putting it into 50 cube boxes. HIs body was already recoverd, as far as i remember. Very sad day.

[@GregsWorkshopOregon]

When I was a kid there was a training flight path over my house where a couple of A6's would fly by at a couple hundred feet. I always thought the low level stuff would be a rush.

[@WardCarroll]

It totally is.

[@jeffduncan9140]

Me too!

[@ace7843]

In the beginning of the war RAF tornados would fly with their TFR at 50-100ft to drop JP-233 runway denial bombs. So cool

[@eddiet204]

I was a HAWK missile technician with the 4th LAAM out of Hayward CA during Desert Storm. Based on what I knew about AA missile systems at the time, they were very complex to operate and finicky to maintain. I’m glad you folks ended the war so quickly. I knew we were going back eventually after we left Sadaam in place. I thought it was a huge mistake taking him out. We made it worse than when he was in power.

[@davidreider9373]

Thank you Ward for doing these videos !!! You bypass the BS and get right to the actual facts. Plus, you are the only military aviator who has a Marshall amp in his/her office !!! Thank you for your service !!

[@twombley96]

As I recall, there were some pave lows & AH-64s that did some real crucial damage to the Iraqi IADS in the opening minutes of the air war, too.

[@johnrielley7756]

That was originally an AC-130 mission, I helped with the planning as the wing Electronic Warfare Officer. We quickly concluded we couldn't low level in and climb to firing altitude fast enough and the job was turned over to the helos. The Pave Lows were the pathfinders for the Apaches because of their better navigation systems plus they could self-SAR if anybody got hit.

[@mitchellschmitt-wp7cf]

Ward, great video ! Unless I missed it I don’t think you mentioned the Air Force’s EF-111A shared the electronic warfare (jamming) role with the EA-6B. In fact one EF was awarded a kill during the war. Not bad when you consider the aircraft had no offensive weapons other than flying low and fast. I enjoy your channel thanks for sharing.

[@ez12like]

Wow. Time flies. I was a U.S. Marine Corps Combat Engineer, runny nose, 1st Lt. during Desert Storm

[@WardCarroll]

Time does fly. Thanks, Stephen. S/F.

[@LP-gs3xj]

As a Marine snake eater on witnessing this was an excellent presentation. For us IFF was terrifying. We put panels on our LAVs to ID us

[@thomasgay5793]

I was stationed on the Hospital ship Confort I know what you meant when the oil rigs were set on fire WE sailed into the blacked air During the bright sunny day It was pitch black and the air smelled terrible Tom MA1

[@scottburns2600]

Desert Storm has really become mysterious in a way. It happened so fast and is now been overshadowed by the recent history of the Middle East. I was 18 years old at the time and yeah, I can't believe how long its been now. So cool to hear your stories and perspective about it

[@Demobot1]

I am happy you created this channel. This type of history could never be taught in a class room.

[@jamescollier3]

History is now "taught" via Koolaid

[@dmutant2635]

As a kid in high school I kept waiting and waiting for a history class dealing with WWII...it never happened.

[@Caffeine_Club]

That sucks. I was in a grade 12 history class in Canada, and we essentially studied the conflict as the build up was happening. Probably spent two months on it between Nov - Feb. Who knows what the teacher dumped in the curriculum to get that done? We looked at the weapons and armies involved, the political backdrop of Iraq/Iran and the Saudies, the fact that protecting our oil supply definitely had a hand in us being there in the first place, the danger of a power vaccuum coming into play in the region if we simply wiped Iraq off the map, propaganda using the media, tons of battle footage from nightly broadcasts.... what do kids get taught about these days?

[@seeingeyegod]

Try going to college.

[@dmutant2635]

@@seeingeyegod That and a better high school helped greatly.

[@winstonsmith993]

I'd love to hear that Les Paul through that Marshall one of these days.

[@Gronicle1]

Gosh, your account takes me back a bit. I was too old to fly DS/DS in the cockpit, but did fly a BMD in the Bunker. The Iranians gave us some hiccups when they lit up every Prick rescue radio they had to screw with our SAR. Back then we thought CNN was worth a damn just for the images.

[@Caseytify]

Now, that's a trick I hadn't heard of before. Nice little piece of history. :)

[@astronomenov99]

I was kinda wondering what 'gudder' was. Weird pronunciation of Qatar. I used to live there so I know how the Qataris pronounce it 😉

[@frankbizzoco1954]

So i'd equate the lost art of evading sams to the lost art of a close up guns dogfight like what happened in Vietnam. And that didn't work out do well in the begining. I really do admire the F-16 and F-4G wild weasel crews of the gulf war. Those guys dared the sams to paint them with radar. I just can't imagine the balls to do that! Some unsung heroes for sure. They paved they way for the rest of the strike force. SEAD is a dirty business lol. Great analysis of the Gulf War, I really enjoyed that.

[@WardCarroll]

Thx, Frank.

[@Stubbies2003]

Well the advantage that we enjoyed there was that they were mostly older SAM systems. Ones that you can actually out turn or required a hard lock on the aircraft to persecute. Newer SAM systems are a different animal all together.

[@sgtdarkness1]

I recall a bunch of Soldiers were staying at the Kobar Towers waiting for specific equipment to arrive by ship. On 16 Jan 91 at approximately 0130 (local Saudi time) the scuds started coming in and unfortunately one hit a tower and killed over 100 heroes…the next day our pre deployment team of 12 guys were sent to Riyad for our orders which were to locate and secure a tactical area for intel purposes. We accomplished that portion and began setting up our GP small and medium tents in the dark, next day a delusional General came in and ordered us to move all the tents 150 feet to the West. What? However, we complied and the General left, thank the Lord. A few days later Iraq started the scud deal again and the Patriot Defense System intercepted them….right over our camp, not good as we thought by leaving Kobar Towers we were somewhat safe….we rectified that over coms. Our intel work discovered most all the mine fields and scud launch sites in Iraq. Really miss my brothers and proud of what we accomplished. Prayers still with the brothers and sisters who were lost. BTW my youngest son also fought in Afgan and is still serving…..

[@scsands]

New sub, enjoyed this and your top gun video on Goose. I grew up (and still live) in San Deigo when they were filming the first Top Gun and witnessed the crew filming the “special effects” of dropping scaled models on fire from cranes on top on the hill behind my house. Tom Cruise was staying at la Valencia hotel in La Jolla and my high school gf served him ice cream at the Haagen-Daz store next door that she worked out. The “Maverick”water rescue scene was filmed off La Jolla Shores and we heard Tom Cruise almost drowned filming that scene as he got tangled in the parachute chords and the diver had to cut him out to save him. Of course growing up in San Diego and now living in North County San Diego, I have many friends from the Navy and Marine Corp and got to fly the F/A18 flight sim at Miramar before they cracked down on outside civilians using it. Wild time for sure.Tried to sim a bomb run on Qualcomm Stadium and fly under Coronado bridge and failed at both! Of course have attended many Air Shows at Miramar and enjoy and respect the men and women that serve our great Country. And the incredible airplanes that our country produces. Big fan of you channel. Thank you again.

[@WardCarroll]

Welcome aboard! Thanks for subscribing.

[@gunsmoke6230]

I lived in Rancho Penasquitos from 89-95 VF-1, VF-124 Miramar. I’m moved back home to Houston but miss San Diego.

[@WardCarroll]

@@gunsmoke6230 Great town.

[@deathbunny1718]

the last conflict with a battleship in it, time flies

[@kikel433]

The video was an F-16…not F-18

[@tabascoindy5005]

I grewup in Muscat Oman and we used to go Dubai for modern shopping. There was only one toy store in all of Dubai where i can find Transformers toys & they didnt had Starscream(F 15). THis was year 1989.

[@farisshaikh1026]

I believe that the name given to that stretch of road was the "Highway of Death", not "Highway of Hell", also wasn't the road shut down initially by a single F-15 with iron bombs and then subsequently ravaged by AH-64 gunships, F-15/16 with cluster bombs and A-10s, just a view additional details I learned from the BBC documentary on the 1991 Gulf War.

[@cturdo]

Harriers were repeatedly cycled through the attack as well.

[@AA-xo9uw]

The turkey shoot was kicked off by Marine A-6E crews dropping CBU-78s which took out the head and tail of the convoy. Over the next 10 hours Harriers, Hornets and a number of other fixed wing units got cleared onto the target by Marine F/A-18 FASTFACs.

[@AA-xo9uw]

Stealth doesn't make you invisible. It reduces the range at which you can be detected which those of us in the EW community knew long before Desert Storm. The Air Force reluctantly had to admit - after previous denials - that some F-117 missions were accompanied by EF-111s and fighter support. The Brits announced - perhaps even in a post DS issue of Proceedings - that they had been tracking F-117s flying out of Saudi Arabia using low band search RADAR aboard RN ships sailing in the Gulf. Stealth is one piece of the puzzle but it isn't the be all end all TACAIR panacea that many - particularly less than honest USAF advocates - claim it is.

[@wills2140]

All too true. Us in the strictly civilian community learned about stealth from Tom Clancy ( in 1986 ) and Popular Mechanics, other defense industry talks, over the years.

[@gregparrott]

Interesting perspective. It was said at the time that Saddam's military was the third largest in the world (as measured in terms of weaponry such as SAMs, not necessarily personnel). Prior to Desert Storm, there was a LOT of speculation about Saddam using chemical weapons, how bad casualties could be if that occurred, and how we might respond. Near the end of Desert Shield, a vastly overwhelming force had been assembled, and Bush gave a final ultimatum. What was the Iraqi minister of foreign affairs (Tariq Aziz) response? He suggested Iraq might withdraw PROVIDING the U.S. gave Iraq $20 billion and Israel returned to Golan heights......WHAT???.......WTF??? Talk about goading us to kick ass.

[@kathyhowardjones4226]

Very interesting program. I to spent some time in VF-143 keep our RIO's happy as an AWG-10 radar tech. This was 1971 on a WESPAC cruise and we were flying F-4J Phantoms. I also spent time in VX-4 during the fleet transition from the B model to the J and VF-121 training NAS Memphis graduates on real planes. Thanks for the insights into the Tomcat. I just missed them.

[@ArizonaAstraLLC]

Excellent video Ward! but I have to disagree @1:33 I don't agree that Iraq had the latest generation of Soviet fighters and armor; The export model MiG-29A9.12 was found to be very noticeably inferior to the domestic MiG-29A used by East Germany and the Soviet Republic, and the same applied to the T-72A export model and the "Lion of Babylon" Iraqi produced derivative of that T-72. The technological overmatch by the Gulf coalition military hardware cannot be understated. In my opinion this was only a conventional war because the enemy had a federal state military, not the capability to use it effectively. The fact that a mobile A2/AD bubble (understandably in the face of constant Gulf coalition Air forces SEAD/DEAD) to cover their retreat FEB 25-27 on Highway 80 is beyond embarrassing from an operational perspective. This is just one but a significant example, of sheer Iraqi incompetence during that war, in addition to inferior technology. Honestly, the war had no excuse to be anything but a complete turkey shoot and testing ground for weapons.

[@thebobs9343]

I along with many others, was airborne in and F-14 A+ off the Saratoga when the USS Theodore Roosevelt went booming southbound down the Red Sea. At 25K ft, you could see the wake it made covering the whole width of the Red Sea. Powerful ships....

[@zatorith.]

I'm not sure how many times i've watched that pilot evading 6 SAM's video, but every time i hear the second "stroke 4 status?" It brings a tear to my eye, the pain and desperation is so clear.

[@werewolf5674]

Was in the Saratoga with VF 74. All of Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Spent all out time in the Red Sea.

[@aramirez8427]

I was there......HMLA 369 Gunfighters.....The real lesson is get in there do your job and get out. Don't linger. I was in Afghanistan as well and look how that ended.

[@Jeanetseschats56]

To me, the fact that boots are still on the ground around M.E. is what i call "The lightning rod effect". Being there attract enemies like a moth is attracted to light, preventing attacks elsewhere ( home ). It is better to fight an incoming fire away from home than waiting it to be at home...

[@thewarper3393]

The "fire" is already at home. You just don't know what the "fire" is to begin with.

[@nick21614]

Cant have attacks at home if you dont let them come over, dont need to be "over there"

[@mikeet69]

Ward I know this is an older video I just watched, but I wanted to comment and ask a question. I am former USAF avionics and I was stunned to hear when you said the F-14 had no IFF. I thought that was standard fighter equipment. Also wondering how much training you got in the back seat on ground attack. I did not think that was a primary mission for an F-14. I thought that was what the A-6 was better equipped for. Obviously I am not that well versed on naval aviation which is why I watch your channel. U too served during that time and it doesn’t always seem so long ago. Thanks for the video.

[@aaronseet2738]

The six-SAM evader was an F-16, not F/A-18.

[@eski152]

Correct. Callsign was "Spot" all F-16's were given 'dog' callsigns: Spot, Collie, Shep, etc i was there

[@nizloc4118]

@@eski152 lol... ".... spot? Sir, can I get cujo or something else please?"

[@FirstDagger]

@@eski152 ; The F-16 in the video is Stroke 3, furthermore Stroke 1 was shot down.

[@eski152]

@@FirstDagger if you say so- i was there- F-16's had 'dog' callsigns- if it was 'stroke' - it was likely a USN acft... but hey

[@aaronseet2738]

I was a teenager back then. There was talk and fear we could be on the brink of WW3. And then it concluded so quickly. Oh well, I did enjoy my time playing Spectrum Holobyte's *Falcon 3.0*

[@anthonyzanca3641]

Such blue navy centric comments on ATO, you can only have one command and that was CENTAF. There was a new theory on bombing too win and a time critical requirement to destroy Iraqi air defense and command and control, nothing else mattered. The Navy would not release assets to the ATO so they were left with fleet defense. The Marine Air assets, as we lovingly call them - Air Force reserve, were willing to be included in the ATO. There were many lessons learned, but if you take a step back and see the conflict from an an aerial chart you will noticed that Irag was surrounded and isolated by the coalition much like Germany in WW2 and I can't find carriers involved with the defeat of the Luftwaffe. The Air Force and allies were sufficient for the task and as the saying goes...we had enough and enough is as good as a feast.

[@obsinity]

someone who shakes 6 missles in 1 fight should be an ace. what a champ.

[@VersusARCH]

Not every missile is the same. For instance S-75 SAMs have poor maneuverability.

[@koekie7003]

@@VersusARCH when you think about it, it is still a missle flying straight at your ass

[@EscapeTheCloudsOfficial]

Hey, if you're fighter pilot and shoot down an enemy aircraft, the quality doesn't count. Regardless if it's a MiG-29 or an AN-2 Colt, you still get the notch on your belt.

[@onekoneb]

Funny - after this brief conflict, the AF adopted the doctrine of, "All you need to win a war is airpower". Such a one-sided mindset. They adapted later, but it was irritating forcing myself to swallow that doctrine in order to properly answer questions I'd have on promotion tests.

[@bucksdiaryfan]

It was my recollection that the stealth bomber was well known to the public before the Gulf War. In fact, I thought many believed the Batwing in Batman ''89 was modeled after the Stealth Bomber

[@kaesees]

It was, revealed to the public in '88, a couple of years before GW1 kicked off

[@rogerpattube]

Yeah I’d actually flown in one. They were giving free rides at our local mall.

[@spydude38]

@@roddeazevedo F-117s were first used in Operation Just Cause in Panama. They dropped some PGMs but didn't play a major role in that short conflict. Desert Storm was the first dedicated use of the platform in large numbers against heavily defended targets where their low observability proved helpful.

[@HillTrekkerSarge]

Desert Storm. The big little war that directly led to our two big conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. My Marine Corps unit arrived in Saudi Arabia in early September of 1990 and we left in April of 1991. We supported a forward air base near the Kuwait border and the Persian Gulf. I remember Harriers at that base as well as OV-10 Broncos. A lot of helicopter activity there as well as C-130's. I do recall that the Harrier squadrons lost at least one Harrier to combat and there was an OV-10 Bronco shot down as well and the crew taken prisoner.

[@koborkutya7338]

I like it very much that you are so meticulous with tech statements so it should also be rectified: stealth aircraft are not even invisible to radar. They are LESS visible, as it was demonstrated in 1999 over Bosnia and their visibility is really sensitive to maintenance and can be impeded by a host of ways e.g. a synchronized radar network. Decreased radar cross section is still essential - just as you said - but this channel I believe should be beyond statements like "invisible to radar" :)

[@DJones476]

This is only my opinion, but I think that the allied coalition severely overestimated Iraq's military capability in the period leading up to the Gulf War. Saddam's forces looked great on paper, but as we, the Allies found out, their training and competence were terrible, and their experience in the Iran-Iraq War did not prepare them _in any way_ for a fight with the U.S. and its allies. Even though their morale was high, their strategy and tactics were abysmal. The Soviet equipment you mentioned brings me to my next point, Ward, and again, this is only my opinion. It was almost as though Saddam refused all advice and training by the Soviets. He bought the SAMs, he bought the Fulcrums, but he didn't want "any o' those vodka-swilling degenerates" in his country, training his pilots how to _really_ fly those Fulcrums on the edge. By this time, the Soviets _DEFINITELY_ had access to Robert L. Shaw's book, as well as Pete Bonanni's and John R. Boyd's books, and had thoroughly Americanized their fighter combat training. A Russian-trained Fulcrum driver would have been a very tough nut to crack indeed, but this is not what Saddam wanted. He wanted the toys, but he didn't want a bunch of foreigners in his country. Had the Iraqis been trained to the same level as the Soviets or the Allies, the war would have lasted a lot longer than it did.

[@Adam-gf3jg]

The Iran-Iraq war destroyed much of the professional army Iraq built in the 70s after the Yom Kippur War. Most of those soldiers in the gulf war were conscripts. Anyway the gulf war was a war between machines and technology, foot soldiers didn't really had chance to shoot at each other. Iraq was outnumbered in all ways possible fighting over 39 nations with much inferior weapons. What did you think? They fought as much as they could and defended their country from much worse outcome. Any country in the same circumstance would've lost.

[@DJones476]

@@Adam-gf3jg I _NOW_ know that the Russians didn't learn a damn thing by observing the Allies at war, or from any of the books I mentioned in my original comment. You win, Adam. You're right. The Iraqi's were f*ck*d!

[@douggregoryHOTMotorsports]

Interesting stuff. So I went to desert storm and sat in a generator room capturing real-time documents from across the hallway....the black hole. The black hole was where the 'plan' as initially designed by an officer while attending ACSC (Air Command and Staff College) was being modified, poured over, and executed (lots of incoming intel traffic). At the other end of the hall in the basement (this is RSAFHQ) was TACC. This is where your ATOs, elements of marine and army units, an OIC (flag officer), and displays of AWACS, JSTARS, weather and more were located. Busy, noisy room we visited the first time while under SCUD attack. General Horner was upstairs. Back at my duty station inside the Academic circle on Maxwell AFB we directly supported the GWAPS (Gulf War Air Power Survey) which was ongoing when I retrained and reassigned. Lots of cool stuff I got to learn and witness in that environment. Interestingly...all the fan fare about the 117 being first in and still little mention that AFSOC was first in with Pave Low and Apaches to eliminate the border air defenses. A friend I graduated high school with was a door gunner on one of the first ships in. I never could figure why the decision was made to designate the 117 a fighter (and in all the documents I saw....didn't read a reason) when it was virtually defenseless and if not for flying night missions making like a hole in the sky they'd not been nearly as effective as they were. Once blinded...the enemy presented a very target rich environment. Combat camera put together some nice videos I still need to digitize.

[@georges.7683]

Surprised you didn't mention Task Force Normandy. AH-64 Apaches and MH-53J Enhanced Pave Low IIIs took out Iraqi early-warning radar sites and opened a path for EF-111A Ravens and F-117A Nighthawks.

[@Stubbies2003]

Those initial guys taking out the lead EW and SAM threats opened the corridors for all of the air assets rolling up North.

[@PhantomDragonX]

Apache pilot here, was wondering why that wasn't mentioned. I guess with all that was going on, things are bound to get left out.

[@stevepumfrey8060]

Actually the war was based on the fact that Iraq announced that they would move away from us currency for a price of a barrel of oil rather they would go to Euros. This was a dangerous precedence that would be set for the US to lose control of their petrodollar. Much like other countries that declare they would go away from the US price for a barrel of oil to Euros or any other form of currency it was declared unacceptable.

[@KWKloeber]

It’s humorous how many folks “watched” Wolf Blitzer in Baghdad and the SAM trails and AAA and bomb explosions behind his rooftop reporting. But he was never there; he was safe in the States. Peter Arnette and Bernard Shaw were there. I love this channel and happy it popped up yesterday! Hats off to you for your service Ward.

[@WardCarroll]

Good point about Wolf.

[@Shadinsb]

I was an Army Engineer during Desert Storm, we went in right behind the infantry and to this day my most vivid memories are what our infantry left in their wake for us to see. Brutal. War shouldn't be.

[@Knightfang1]

The video you showed was from an F-16 and after dodging 6+ sams and barely making it back to base on the gas he had left after dropping his external tanks, they discovered that he had not deployed any of his chaff or flares.

[@Dudemon-1]

Yeah, it was an F-16, not a Hornet.

[@Dudemon-1]

BTW, the pilot was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross.

[@jinzhang8241]

This is not a F-18/Hornet HUD - it is an F-16/Viper

[@stephenmellentine]

“Combat tactics, Mr. Ryan. By turning into the path of the torpedo, the Captain reduced the distance that the torpedo had to arm itself.”

[@jaredcrub9567]

Hey Wade, have you ever thought about doing an episode of the Fighter Pilot Podcast? The host and founder is Vincent "Jello" Aeillo

[@markburkley42]

All the VLS ship launched missiles were a "one shot and done" as all the cranes broke trying to remove the expended cannisters from the 8-cell racks. My family's machine shop built one of two Check Fit Tools for LM, then I redesigned it with replaceable pads to machine them back to tolerance during yearly inspection.

[@measl]

*As we get older and start looking back, time seems to compress. Yeah, it's hard to believe it's 30 years ago. I look back at 80, 70, 60, etc, and it's even harder to accept that these "fresh memories" are 40, 50, 60 years old. It's an interesting phenomenon!*

[@jimmehjiimmeehh9748]

It's not that interesting when you consider it as proportions. When you're 20, something that happened 10 years ago is half your life ago. When you're 60 something that happened half your life ago is now 30 years, but it'll "feel the same" so to speak as that 10 years did back when you were 20, which is where the perception of it being wierd and compressed comes from.

[@FS2K4Pilot]

As far as I can tell, the rest of the world learned different lessons than we did. We learned that no one can touch us in a stand-up fight. The rest of the world came to the logical conclusion that the way to beat us was to never give us a stand-up fight.

[@Jaden48108]

The lead up to Desert Storm was the one time I truly got scared in my 22 year career in the Air Force. I couldn't believe Sadam Hussein was that stupid to invade Kuwait and then start a war, but he had the gumption and military machine to back him up. Thirty years have passed and there's nothing I've forgotten about that experience.

[@peterblandings3413]

sadam hussein was not stupid and he did not initiate any action against the u.s. before i continue i want to say that i have the highest respect and admiration for all our naval aviators and all of our men in uniform. our politicians, however, are a different story. there are aspects of the first gulf war that the public and even the men who fought do not know. kuwait was, in fact, stealing iraqi oil. again, saddam was not stupid. before he made any move against kuwait he met with the u.s. ambassador in baghdad, april glaspie. he essentially asked her if he would have permission to stop kuwait's illegal activities on the border by force. glaspie contacted 41 to get the u.s. position on such an action. she then told sadam that she had been told that 41 had said the u.s. was not interested in, and would not interfere in any arab on arab conflict, ie., yes, sadam was given permission by the u.s. to deal with kuwait with force. you can google april glaspie and get the transcript of her meeting with sadam to confirm what i'm saying. sadam then went ahead and attacked kuwait. shortly thereafter, 41 gave his famous "this will not stand" bullshit speech. the u.s. then attacked iraq. americans also do not know that it was the u.s. that put sadam in power. he was our boy in the middle east. all the talk at the time of the gulf war about sadam gassing his own people was particularly odious on the part of the u.s. at the time of those events, iraq was at war with iran and iran was pulling ahead. the u.s. did not want iran to be the power in the middle east, especially after they took our embassy personal hostage in 1979 and humiliated us in front of the world, the u.s. having a president at the time who was not fit to be a dog catcher and who simply could not deal with the situation. i'll give you one guess where sadam got the gas he used to stop iran. none of this detracts from the courage and incredible skill of our airmen or any u.s. military personal. they put their faith in political leaders who were not worthy of it. i've already said too much so i'm going to stop here. these couple of paragraphs will probably cause a few heart attacks, for which i apologize, but if the truth cannot be handled then there is only borrowed time.

[@Jaden48108]

@@peterblandings3413 I'm sticking to "stupid" buddy as making a humongous blunder of epic proportion. Kuwait was a sovereign country that he invaded with his military over something that could've been handled diplomatically. So his army goes into the country, takes it over, burns buildings, goes on killing sprees, maims & tortures Kuwait citizens, puts them to death, commits other crimes including ones against nature. 41 did the right thing by saying Sadam crossed the line by taking over Kuwait despite US involvement with Iraq in the past. If you recall the US had a beef with Iran and Iraq just happen to be in a war with them. So sure, we assisted them, mainly with intel. But you are way off saying the US put Sadam in power. He put himself in power following a mafia like blueprint. You got it all wrong. It was George W. Bush who decided to invade Iraq that really fucked up. That was in 2003 and I was still in the Air Force, but made the decision to retire because of his epic blunder. As the years went by I almost gave up my citizenship over it.

[@mcmmx]

@@peterblandings3413, good to see that not everyone is blinded by the puropaganda that the media and govt feed u.