WARFRAME BATTLE TO THE BOTTOM - Round 2

[@llbonkll]

Thanks for watching! I hope you enjoyed :) Thank you everyone for 4k subs , 5k here we come (Edit - lmao whoops moved on hildryn instead of hydroid on the bracket at 1 point, hydroid is shown correctly after that tho)

[@blix17]

I was not expecting to get my comment presented in protection of our favourite lobster, thank you very much.

[@rand0mlyhere]

I’ve recently picked up Yareli with a shop discount I got from a login bonus. With how fun she can be to play, I hope that alone can save her from the bottom of the barrel. Though one of her better, current, build rn involves slapping on “Surging Blades” and “Natural Talent”, then contracting carpal tunnel as you mash the ability key…

[@tutorial5914]

For anyone who doesn't know, the right build that was referenced with trinity is combat discipline with champion's blessing, This combo allows you to damage yourself on kill while instantly healing with your 4 and stacking damage massively. Combined with abating link she's a pretty crazy gun frame

[@blix17]

Ok ngl, I didn't think of that but I'm writing that down now for further testing.

[@blix17]

I've got a multi damage reduction build atm, and as my guns are already cracked, I've never really needed champions blessing. I can probably drop some duration to give that augment a try tho, I've got plenty of inexperienced friends who constantly lose hp, so it shouldn't be hard to stack. lol

[@blix17]

Also as nobody uses her 1 I've been testing with subsuming abilities to replace it. Roar was a nice obvious choice but I'm trying things like elemental ward to see what I can pull out of it.

[@Frostman1255]

No shhhh stop. The more people using combat discipline the less often it will work in public squads

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

hold on, so healed damage is non-specific? not exclusive to your heals with Blessing?

[@xenotundra3346]

Oberon got shafted with these match ups

[@mannydani9180]

No kidding, I very highly doubt hell flat out lose but hot damn his matchups are so one sided it's not even funny

[@Miniman6347]

Ya, but I’m guessing it’ll get to Nyx vs Oberon at which point Nyx will be considered the worse frame if only because Oberon still has uses while Nyx… exists.

[@jeffbezos2960]

@@Miniman6347 Nyx is fine shes not even below average

[@RandomWeebAppeared]

@@Miniman6347 Don't worry, as long as hydroid exists, no other frame has a shot at winning this tournament

[@IsfetSolaris]

@@RandomWeebAppeared *cough cough* Loki

[@luhcsgrimm8857]

Inaros isnt useless. He does what's he's meant to do very well, but what he's meant to do is "I have a large health pool and take no damadge"

[@vonrelevanz1963]

11:31 A little anecdote on the side: A while ago, I came across a max range Limbo on a pub defense mission. Everyone kept sh*tting on him in chat for ruining the mission. Playing Gyre, I was like 'What are you complaining about? Only issue is the world's a bit bright', while blowing up the entire map. The two actually go quite well together.

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

I ship it, that tailcoat and that skirt suggest they dance well together

[@cart0443]

YES. I needed to hear someone say that-stop leaving matches for someone playing the game.

[@georgehountas2688]

Scooby dooby doo where are you gonna solve that mystery

[@danser_theplayer01]

Banshee isn't spammable, she respawns the dots after you have 5 of them. She can only spam more than five dots if they come from procing the augment.

[@TH3R34LM]

Octavia was my next choice afterwards, so funny you should mention that. But I dropped her because of reasons in the last video, got sick of the constant crouching. These days it's Revenant, Wisp and Grendel, which I don't think people will fault me for

[@llbonkll]

Solid picks, I’m glad you came to your senses lmao

[@ThePopeOfAwesomeness]

Obi is one of my favourites but he needs some love from DE. He's best used with the MIGHTY SEER

[@scrubscrub4492]

Frost over here being paired back to back with some of the best frames in the game after finally getting back into "good" status lmao

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

Gara's better only if you minmax her and spend a whole bunch of energy pizzas for upkeep, big numbers but such a hassle while Frost actually expands your choice for weapons aiding guns that struggle with damage or time to kill in general. We were better than Excalibur and he would've lost (won?) against Gara handily.

[@justcallmegenji]

14:46 Oh cool, it me. But yes, I do agree with your statement regarding Nekros. I'm going to be honest, Shield of Shadows kinda slipped my mind at the time, so yes, I will concede and say that the Rolling Guard argument wasn't the best. I am enjoying this so far, though. It's actually really interesting and refreshing to see different viewpoints and reasonings on both sides of each argument. As for my own predictions, I honestly can't say for sure, this is anyone's game at this point. Regardless of the outcome, I'm 100% here for it. Keep up the good work, Bonk.

[@originalname5303]

Bet the last round is gonna be inaros vs yareli. Even though they are on the same side of the bracket. Whatever frame is on the other side of the final comparison will be better then whoever is the worst of yareli and inaros

[@llbonkll]

hydroid still exists... we shall see

[@ThatOneDudeTo]

@@llbonkll My bet is on Loki vs. Hydroid

[@CollateralKaos]

Gauss thermal sunder mention on the sly, very happy to see it. Very happy to see him getting recognized, just please go on to make a video for him showing it off or something like that. Thank you regardless!

[@llbonkll]

Haha well now you got to play with me on stream while I tried it , and I can confirm very fun

[@CollateralKaos]

@@llbonkll Yeah was fun running with you, hope you can get the archon shards to run it in its full power at some point. Still waiting on xaku prime so I can fully start using them too.

[@akhannar9368]

12:27 ... What if I'm an Oberon, and a Shadows Nekros joins?...

[@Djmclazer]

Personally,im a huge fan of inaros,and still use him on the regular to help with missions like survivals or exterminations in steel path. I dont think he deserves the hate he gets,but i understand why people think he's boring. With adaptation and arcane grace you literally just turn on god mode. His abilities are lackluster. He's a reliable weapon platform with no real weaknesses as far as fighting enemies goes. Equally,of course,he has nothing to help him with missions such as defences. He can be made into a good support with the addition of helminth mods,but i know that's exempt from this competition. He can be useful in situations like eidolon hunts where you take aggro and tank for your allies,but hyldrin is even better for that.

[@shadow4126]

We already know Hydroid is gonna take the Dub... Or the L in this case. He needs a complete rework.

[@bigburkhart2293]

My predictions for final four: Top left bracket: Frost. - I love Frost. I absolutely do. It pains me to see that he got this far on the list, but I'll admit that his kit is dated and it shows. Problem is he's probably never going to get a rework because as dated as his kit is, there were other, more glaring problems on other frames that needed to be reworked out. (Saying this as an Ember player.) Problem is there's no way that Styanax is going to be voted to be worse than Frost. Atlas is going to be a closer vote, but I think the rock has more of a following than the iceberg. If Caliban makes it... well... I'll admit I don't know much about Caliban. Mostly forgot it existed because Revenant is a thing. Fortunately I don't think Frost is going to make it to finals. Bottom left bracket: Hydroid - Tough call between Loki and Hydroid, and honestly, if I'm wrong here I can't get too upset. It's just that Hydroid just has the reputation as being one of the absolute most underpowered frames out there, while Loki still has utility even though he doesn't really affect a battlefield all that much with his powers. It's the difference between people not liking you, and forgetting you even exist. I'll be surprised if Limbo goes any further on the bracket. Top right bracket: Inaros - The amount of hate ol' cupholder-crotch gets is mind boggling. I will admit that yes, his abilities are pretty much useless, and yes, he is a braindead weapons platform, but at least it was nice knowing I had an ace for those no shield nightmare missions back when I was a warframe youngin. Plus sometimes you just want to stand there while 5000 grineer shoot at you and watch as your health bar just doesn't move. Bottom right bracket: Yareli - I know you were trying to be nice, but come on, this pop idol is a wet blanket. Plus she still has all the bugs attached to K-Drive as an inherent part of her kit. (Yes, I too, often fall through the map floor using her.) Voruna is fun and Valk is still useful with either her Warcry OR Hysteria builds.

[@indrickboreale7381]

Loki is great at speedrunning Spy missions, especially when you replace his 4rd ability with Helminth Autohacking (works on Sorties and Archon missions as well)

[@scottishboy112]

26:20 pretty much the epitome of ‘I don’t think you have the facilities for that big man’.

[@mannydani9180]

Wukong is my go to frame for Liches/Sisters. Tenet Cycron, spawn clone, equip arcgun (Mausolon), Rhino Roar (subsumed on his 4), and just go and tear through everything

[@ferro9926]

Sounds like a lot of work for something duality can do /j

[@mannydani9180]

@@ferro9926 Potentially but Duality isn't permanent and Equinox survival is tougher than with Wukong. It's just the method i use and prefer because i'm not a huge fan of hunting liches but i want the gear so that's how i make it as painless for myself as i can

[@ferro9926]

@@mannydani9180 i fully understand the limitation of duality (their health and base lifetime is way too small, plus it doesn't seem like the equinox clone can carry archguns...) that's why i said /j But i also hate hunting liches and i'll share my lich hunting build: gloom dayquinox -the 1(gloom) slows and lets you ignore healing for the most part -the downside of her 2 is smaller thanks to gloom -her 3 can make the previous abilities bettee -maim Hope that helps make liches less of a pain!

[@plunderedandmarooned]

massively sleeping on the potential of gloom banshee for lich killing, sonar really messes with damage attenuation, gloom + silence is amazing survivability and disrupts lich abilities and sonic boom can strip armor

[@IsfetSolaris]

Me, a loki main, knowing exactly how this ends before it even started...

[@samueleferrati8420]

And me, a player that finds meta boring, to some extent, and perfectly knowing that EVERY single frame, EVERY single weapon (with a very few exceptions) IS good if you invest into it, waiting to see the results so i go make whacky fun, and most importantly WORKING builds for high level content. (Quick fun thing i want to share with you: you can make loki permanently invincible and invulnerable to status effects by using his 3 augment, scales with duration and as long there are enemies, have a nice day)

[@IsfetSolaris]

@@samueleferrati8420 this is true, but loki still needs a buff. His passive is a joke and the rest of his kit is very hard to make work. I don't want a rework because I like the kit, but he needs some number or functionality changes and a proper passive. Also, the 3 augment immortality build is no good because you teleport so often that you chew through energy faster than Grendel. It's also super disorienting to run.

[@danser_theplayer01]

I keep dying on steel path with glass canon frames. Everybody in the chat: "Unga bunga roll and spam buttons get shieldgating" _WELL WHAT IF I DON'T WAN TO PLAY LIKE I'M HAVING A STROKE???_ What now, you got no other options?

[@Anne_Grapple]

It's sad for me to see Limbo going so far in this battle. He is not for everyone, no doubt, but eximus rework just made him vulnerable as much as other squishy frames like Saryn have always been. Alright, the guy is not invincible anymore with his passive but he can still use shieldgate, rolling guard and other stuff people do to stay alive. Moreover, have a nice weapon to use - and you can oneshot anything just by looking at it. Let alone the fact that you do not need an AoE gun, eximuses don't spawn that often, usually just one or two to deal with to regain 100% safety for a while. But you can neither go AFK anymore nor deal damage with skills so... yeah, I understand where this is coming from.

[@nulls5408]

Tbh, I’m able to completely ignore eximus with an mix of operator void mode and magnus lockdown. And if your having trouble with eximus/nullifies entering the bubble you can run an minimum range build, most of time enemies either won’t enter or the bubble is too small for them to get inside. Especially if their body blocking each other. His 3 augment also lets his damage scale to an extent. And although helminth isn’t being counted I’ll still like to add that his passive invulnerability and energy regen makes him extremely effective with many subsumed abilities.

[@luhcsgrimm8857]

Oberon is fun, I love him as a solo frame.... however.... it's rough out there for him, the numbers aren't high enough. His only use is "I ignore status procs and buff ally damadge and armor. Throw shock trooper over his 4. But that's still not enough

[@Ralagathenovel]

6:29 yes it makes her wildly inefficient and you have to spend a considerable amount of time fixing it 6:09 caliban is mathematically just above, ember in terms of overall potential and power fiddling with her meter is difficult And damage vulnerability on top of a defensive strip not just a armor strip is better caliban more long lasting CC

[@Sruf.]

The only time i go "ugh it's a (frame i dislike) is when i'm paired with a nidus. And that's simply because i pick a frame at random to do low level stuff and SURPRISE! It has space aids. It's a cool mechanic but so annoying to have 80% of my frames infected. Limbo is only annoying if i'm playing zephyr or gara while the Limbo messes up my setup for both

[@theofficialchan]

Limbo is just better utility wise. He has more versatility than most frames here, but what do I know when all people care for is big damage number go brrrr.

[@jacksonmcload4157]

I'm expecting the last 2 to be yareli and inaros honestly

[@rewe97]

Very enjoyable video, defitely subscribes. Thogh i gotta say after watching both parts back-to-back this one is noticeable more quite. Don't know if that was on purpose, great video nonetheless.

[@alexgutierrez2783]

Voruna brought me back to warframe, I love her

[@Swordmaster757]

I just randomly happened upon this video series. Good job on your video. I was actually looking forward to the Hydroid comments, so I'm a little disappointed that it was the only thing that was completely glossed over. Good job on your video though, all in all

[@Taoscape]

I was surprised as well that Gara won over Frost by such a margin. I think she had the edge, but not by as much as the poll. Great matchup though. Both haven't been explored to their full potential in a looooong time, and lots has changed since then.

[@brickofsloth4089]

when i first got stynax i accidently took him into steel path at level 0 and didn't even realize until i finished the mission

[@matoro4140]

oh hey, it's me! im there!

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

Frost I would still consider him better than Gara, for the currently relevant content more so because you can just pick him up while Gara needs a specific loadout, a specific build and a specific set-up in the mission for her infinite scaling to kick into gear and while Frost similarly has no energy sustain, Gara can drink a nuclear power plant dry and still ask the bartender for more because you'll be spamming abilities a lot more due to the expensive one-use nukes and an ever-draining countdown threatening you to lose tens of minutes of accumulated aura damage. Without min-maxing, Gara's CC is somewhat shaky and the damage resistance doesn't matter much when the name of the game is *_KILL_* - - - On the topic of warframes that are good for Eidolons, ever since the introduction of Necramechs and the reworks to focus schools following the Angels of the Zariman update, I'm arguing warframes are just an irrelevant pick in eidolon hunts now and the only things you need are a Voidrig with halfway decent Mausolons, Madurai's actives built and an amp with a long range non-gimmick prism or scaffold and the Fortuna crit chance/damage brace. Keeping your lures alive isn't a concern when the eidolons aren't even given the time to take a step before they get kneecapped and necramechs just brush off the effects of magnetic proc. To further refine the "warframes? What are warframes?" strategy, simply unbind zenurik to have more energy to spam Madurai's 2 and effectively take down the shield while your 1 is on cooldown when solo, unbind Naramon just for the convenience of being faster, max Madurai's waybounds to help manage the vomvalysts, get a single emergence savior which will let you stay out of void mode 10 seconds without dying against Hydro, get a 5X7 amp with the crit chance/damage virtuos arcanes (they're two conditionals, chance on headshot and damage on crit), lastly fully mod and forma your Necramech for optimal damage and a deep energy pool to comfortably use the Mausolons solo all throughout without needing a single refill. This isn't exactly optimal because necramechs take some time repositioning compared to the old way of just buffing a normal weapon with a warframe to insane amounts, but you can still push to 3x3's solo with what's comparatively a minimal setup that will really only ask you to not forget to equip Madurai before jumping into the Plains (also, in neither methods are Trinity and Oberon asked for, just Harrow and/or Volt).

[@VOID794]

honestly as a beginner i fin ur content helpful thanks bro

[@thomasedgar8612]

ive managed to make a fairly braindead "you cant feesibly kill me" build for oberon which i use... primarily so i can alt tab mid fight

[@mordred6476]

waiting for yareli vs inaros

[@Keirandal_Chikage]

Man I hate seeing people think limbo is so bad, he invalidates so many missions by himself and being functionally immortal when your guns are the main thing obliterating enemies is such a good plus. Not only that he's got so many options for supporting frames like mesa. Plus if you have a arbitration defense limbo can go forever

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

You forgot eximus exist

[@RokanRulerofKaos]

Except when a single eximus enemy shows up and ruins his parade

[@Keirandal_Chikage]

Didn't forget eximus, they don't shoot into the rift they ignore stasis lol

[@Keirandal_Chikage]

@@RokanRulerofKaos just don't put them into the rift then

[@mawsometall4692]

Hydroid vs Inarios tough choice

[@oriondezagrats4228]

Atlas vs Banshee: I would've put Banshee. I think she is by far the weaker of the two in terms of her overall kit. I consider shield gating shenanigans be just as much unfair play as Helminth in determining which is worse, so taking the Decaying Dragon Key out of the mix, Atlas has invulnerability on command, lowering chain casting costs as he continues to punch, one-punches basically the entire base star chart as well as more advanced zones, and will never feel like he's just teetering on the edge of being blown away like a leaf. I think there are hidden depths to his rubble system such as keeping some Rumblers available to upkeep his rubble when there's downtime in enemies. If we were still talking about Atlas-On-Release, I'd absolutely give it to him. He'd be the worse frame. But as it stands I don't count forcing your allies to aim at specific spots on an enemy to get bonus damage like everything's a Nox, and spam-casting her 2 burning through 50 energy a cast to be particularly good gameplay, plus she's hella squishy unless you abuse oversights in the shield gating system. Atlas is good even before augments, and becomes more dominating with them. Banshee's 1 and 4 are basically useless without their augments, and I genuinely cannot remember a time when her passive was particularly relevant. Gonna' be honest, this outcome in particular tilts me more than any of the previous ones. ----- Ember vs Caliban: As much as I adore him, I'd probably put Caliban here, too. His kit feels clunky without casting speed, one of his abilities is basically useless, one of his abilities is situational AT BEST as a panic button or a damage boost against un-cc-able enemies, and while I do think the shield regen from The Boys and his passive play well together, I really take issue with The Boys not spawning all three at once nor being decastable so you can use them to forcefully start up shield regen early. In terms of CC, they're actually fantastic, as each one has a high threat level and draws enemy fire quite reliably, and they're tanky as hell unless they get oneshot by an Acolyte or something, because sentient resistances are a thing, but mechanically speaking they're just slightly lacking. In my opinion, Caliban's 4 is by far his strongest and most useful ability and absolutely what people should build around in terms of his gameplay style. Ember, for as much as she may struggle to get instant kills at high levels, is tanky as hell at all times with that 90% damage reduction, 100% armour strip, a passive that makes her stronger the more enemies are on fire around her, has reduced cost on her 4 dependent upon how few enemies she tagged with it, and overall just... has what I find to be a good kit, her 1 aside (that should REALLY be Nightwatch Napalm). She's fun, it feels like her kit's abilities and passive all work with each other on a really cohesive level that make her absolutely able to participate at higher level content. The ONLY gripes I have with her kit are Fire Blast not armour stripping through Overguard and her 1 being lacklustre -- otherwise she is the picture definition of good design to me.

[@oriondezagrats4228]

-Limbo: I genuinely don't believe he was 'neutered' by Eximus changes. Their WEAPONS can't hit him, just their ABILITIES. All of which are dealt with very easily by just... getting away from them. Even if they walk into his Cataclysm bubble, their weapons fire is still affected by Stasis if even if they themselves can still move around and cast abilities. I feel that one too many people just kind of used him as an immortal afk frame that trivialized certain game modes and that was that, without getting into the quirks of his abilities, like being able to walk through laser barriers without detection in Spy without having to be augmented Ivara, as well as putting all cameras and patrollers in stasis. Or what he can do for the team in terms of granting constant energy regen while also taking all enemy weapons out of the picture. He has always been more than just an immortal AFK frame that turned the game off and I really feel that people being upset with the Eximus rework affecting Limbo are moreso upset that they can't just no-effort AFK anymore. Like with the AoE changes and Wukong's Celestial Twin nerf. Of course, I do agree that he should go onto the next round, Gyre is just too good a frame, but I just had to make this comment because I believe some dissenting opinion should be offered. EDIT: Glad I'm not the only one that feels that way, Bonk. (Also, try using Banish on some of your 'allies' in Deimos Bounties, Bonk. The corpus is perfectly safe and the Grineer are perfectly never going to reach their quota for messing up your bonus.) EDIT 2: 12:46 "I'll say personally I think her 2 is underwhelming..." as COOL and FUN as it is, yeah. I didn't participate in this round of voting, but it is the one part of her kit that I actually give the boot when it comes to Helminth. ----- Mirage: oKAY so - what the FRICK? No Damage reduction? This was mimicked by both Bonk and the first comment. Guys. Eclipse has 95% damage reduction in the dark. She already gets a damage boost from her 1, if you honestly need the damage reduction so bad, sacrifice the SECOND damage boost to whole her kit out. Especially because WEAPON ARCANES ARE A THING, PEOPLE. Mirage's extreme weapon damage boost is no longer the overpowering advantage it once was. Back when we were all only ever using Serration, sure, I get it, but you can easily get almost as much power as 200% ability strength eclipse in the light with one damn arcane now. Also, her Hall of Mirrors cannot benefit from Eclipse, while they CAN benefit from weapon arcanes. Also, her Hall of Mirrors makes enemies miss as they aim at them instead of you. Also, the ability's been "bugged" for a while, which is to say, has had unlisted stats which are modified by your strength - status and crit chance of the holograms are modified by strength. They have 40% of those stats by default. 250% strength means they match your crit and status. Lower is less, higher is more. Blind Rage and Energy Conversion are enough to reach par, but then you can also run stuff like Molt Augmented to push it over and make them have higher crit and status. Also - Hall of Malevolence, the augment for Hall of Mirrors? Is a flat multiplicative buff. 1.5x damage. I mean, between her and Nekros, the choice is obvious, but the reasoning given is just disappointing. ----- Protea vs Oberon: I agree that Protea is the better frame in the modern day, and I would also agree that Oberon has definitely been power-crept by Wisp, and even the changes to armour strip didn't do much for him other than lower the barrier to 100% strip on an ability that still needs more to it. Protea is the better frame here by far. But honestly I really feel like Oberon is more relevant than he has been in a while, exclusively and explicitly because of Archon Hunts. The fact that allies can't quick revive and get progressively lower bleedout timers is EXACTLY the sort of scenario that Renewal shines in. As someone who would main Oberon, I've long since said that the ability to quick revive was the worst thing for his gameplay. Not to mention that Phoenix Renewal is basically always relevant, especially since it triggers before Martyr Symbiosis, saving your catfox. This particular mod's always been lovely for Arbitrations. Oberon's kit desperately needs a little bit of oil in the gears. Phoenix Renewal needs a lower timer, Iron Renewal shouldn't need Hallowed Ground to give the armour buff (Vitality Mote certainly doesn't need another ability to give WAY better ehp boost), the base healing value of Renewal should be buffed for a drain-over-time ability, Hallowed Ground should just be a circle by default instead of needing huge range, that's just not a fun quirk. The armour strip from Reckoning REALLY shouldn't need enemies to be on Hallowed Ground first, and the health orb drops REALLY shouldn't need enemies to be KILLED by the ability.

[@oriondezagrats4228]

Nyx vs Rhino: The choice here was obvious. Nyx's kit has a lot of potential, but it's really struggling to reach it, especially since so many other frames have encroached on her signature ability (Mind Control). Revenant's Thralls exist, and Xaku's ACCUSE exists, which is absolutely massive. It's like Chaos + Mind Control + Enthrall mixed into the same ability, with way easier maintenance. Honestly, I feel like the Psychic Bolts should jump out of killed enemies and seek out new ones for the duration of the ability, which would make it seem way more reliable in terms of defence stripping. Mind Control should REALLY be refreshable by Nyx (the helminth alteration could be that it isn't). Nyx WAS buffed with the Eximus Rework - as Eximus Units are REALLY attractive mind control options, but I feel like Mind Control should at least mark them for mind control to take over once their Overguard breaks. As for Chaos, honestly I feel like either the augment should be base functionality, or the ability should come with damage vulnerability. And Absorb - I genuinely don't know how to feel about that ability. The damage buff Nyx gets from it just... feels too small, for too short a time. Its damage output for its energy input is super lacking, and as defensive utility options go it's just outshined by too many other frames unless you run the Assimilate augment to upkeep it while she can move around and use weapons. Meanwhile Rhino's kit is dominating. A universal faction damage buff that both increases ability and weapon damage output AND also double dips on status effects (giving like 4x status damage at 100% bonus). One of the few frames that still retains Eximus-specific CC in his kit. And while Iron Skin has certainly fallen off, there are still ways to make it relevant with like 3 separate augments altering how its value scales and gets maintained. The ONE thing I'd ever say about Rhino's kit? I think his passive shockwave on landing should scale with melee mods. EDIT: Also, while Nezha and Rhino may have superficial similarities, one is just more versatile in general, that being Rhino. Roar applies to allies and sticks even if they run around; Chakram applies to enemies and needs to be constantly reapplied. Divine Spears and Rhino Stomp both CC enemies, but one works on Eximus, and the other does not. Warding Halo may be more conducive to shield gating and give invuln when it breaks, but Rhino can just stomp and have the opportunity to reapply or upkeep Iron Skin. Though I do admit that only one of these has an augment that can defend defence objectives. ----- Sevagoth vs Inaros: This matchup is kind of funny to me, because before Angels of the Zariman and Focus 3.0, these were basically the only two warframes that could self-revive with coffin modes, and Inaros was indisputably the loser because despite doing true damage, he couldn't move around, meanwhile Sevagoth just needed to boop five dudes on the snoot to bring himself back. It is a little funny how both suffered a little from Focus 3.0 bringing Last Gasp+Vengeance, which neither could use. Honestly I think people but too much faith in Gloom as Sevagoth's best ability while his 1+2 combo has amazing scaling and Shadow's heavy attack can force slash procs that bypass armour, while having the current version of Pull (But Better (And also came first)). I genuinely believe Gloom is something that works better on other warframes, like with Harrow's Condemn + Xaku. ----- Valkyr vs Trinity: Gonna' be honest, Valkyr has always been appealing to me for the same reason that Inaros was apealing to others; braindead tank, only use one weapon type. She's one of those frames that got subtly better in the background with a lot of updates that didn't touch her directly, but also gave her more things to augment her kit with. To the point that Hysteria with 100% uptime went from unfeasible to easier than ever, and gained more and more damage as new mods came in. Before The Sacrifice and Umbra, Hysteria's damage was definitely more lacking, but the Sacrificial mods definitely build her up. The addition of various mod sets ever since Plains of Eidolon introduced them further impacted this because while Hysteria may not be able to use Blood Rush, it CAN make use of the Gladiator Mod Set bonus. But even putting Hysteria aside, various new melee weapons over time have worked well with her, as Warcry makes her into kind of the de-facto melee weapons platform. Gauss and Volt and Harrow and Wisp also get speed bonuses, but the sheer tankiness afforded Valkyr I think always kind of put her over the edge in that regard. Thanks to Parazons and the changes to Eximus making them drop guaranteed health and energy orbs and the value of health orbs being increased giving more value to Equilibrium, upkeep on Hysteria is a non-issue now as a single Eximus kill now results in like 130 energy, more if you parazon kill with certain mods. Heck, the changes to arcane scaling made Energize more valuable at early ranks, also achieving something similar without having to shell out like 2,200 plat. If you look at Helminth, there are even more options that make upkeep a breeze, but my point is that there are a lot more ways to make Valkyr competitive than there used to be when compared with other frames that can, at first glance, do something similar. Also she has instant access to finishers, on the cheap, so that's nice. ----- Wukong vs Yareli: 24:47 "I will say the 4 on Wukong is very disappointing, I hope it gets some changes eventually." You... are aware that its damage just got buffed when Celestial Twin got nerfed, right? It also got vortex functionality as part of its base combo to succ enemies into a ball to beat up. Plus it's capable of red crits. I don't even need armour strip to make it Steel Path relevant. But yeah, falling into the floor with Merulina is a consistent bug that's been around since day 1.

[@llbonkll]

Very good comments, thankyou for actually providing reasoning and examples for the things you disagreed with instead of just saying "no your wrong" I appreciate the thought that went into this.

[@robertobear1749]

Out of curiousity, how good is Eclipse' DR anyways? My main problem with Eclipse(which kind of gets pushed onto mirage in general), is that not only you do get very little control over which version of the buff you get, but you're likely not actually getting the full buff in most areas in the first place. This makes me wonder if the dark buff caps out it's DR before brightness multiplier, or after it. If it's after it means you can still properly get 95% DR in brighter areas, but otherwise it means the EHP gain from darkness falls off fairly quickly based on the lighting. But on the note of suvivability, hall of mirrors itself actually gives mirage a giving her a form of fake evasion through the clones having a threat level as well. It's probably not enough to make her noticably more survivable, but it is a cherry ontop for something you'll be using anyways. Puts her closer to nekros but definitely not winning that.

[@bigburkhart2293]

I actually appreciate that she has a lackluster ability, because it gives me an obvious choice on abilities that I can remove from Helminth to get something different. Even without Helminth, I would still continue to play her though.

[@Reishadowen]

I'm calling it now: final is gonna be Hydroid v Innaros, or Hydroid v Yareli.

[@krish_J]

MY ATLAS IS ATLAS COMMENT GOT IN😱😱

[@TacticalDeux]

I can agree with a lot of things in this video, but not with not leaving a match because of Limbo, I mean to each their own, but I play games to have fun, I'm not about to ruin my fun because someone wants a master's degree in navel-gazing, if you like that frame, good for you I guess, but it doesn't just affect themselves, I mean let's take Yareli for example, if someone likes playing her I don't mind, I won't leave, it doesn't affect my gameplay at all, but that is just not the same with Lame-bo, Yareli doesn't make me play 3 hours long classical chess matches on my shooter-looter game, Lame-bo does. and I'm not about to just take the 50/50 of the Lame-bo being a small bubble or big bubble player, better to prevent than cure. Oh and also Borderland screen effect is annoying asf.

[@gameitderp3415]

Going to make a prediction right here and say that Loki is the worst of them all - Inaros 2nd - Yareli 3rd - Caliban 4th

[@willyb9652]

Predictions Round 3 Caliban Mirage Stynax Inaros Loki Yareli Round 4 Caliban Inaros Loki Yareli Round 5 Loki Inaros Winner/Loser Inaros

[@bro5756]

bonk - I will not explain anything bonk in the following sentence "explaining everything"

[@Kaitagraph]

I will never back down from defending Valkyr throughout this entire tournament. Catzerker for the win... or loss?

[@Pvt.Private]

YES! MY BOY RHINO DIDN'T LOSE!

[@chasekeylime9717]

i feel like a lot of these match ups were totally one sided. like would it not have been more interesting to pair yareli with inaros. one sided match ups are going to give one sided results. it might be better to looks at things objectively instead of just saying “i like this one and i don’t like that one, so that one is worse”

[@CH3353N1NJ45]

Put a Nekros and a Mirage in the same squad and you will be out DPS'ing both Saryn and Mesa.

[@BirdBrainned]

Yoooo I’m in this video that’s wild

[@Alexander-rk4cu]

Sorry rant BUT. Inaros is a pure breed melee tank. He might be worse than sevagoth, but ups, gloom is a helmith donatable. Every one forgot that finnishers heal inaros, that is his real passive, not the worthless coffin. His 1-blind and health steal. 2- the most powerfull life drain, as it can be spammed onto more enemies, makes you and any ally using it, completly immunen, while gaining health. 3- agreed, this is useless 4- double armor and healing for self and allys. Yeah sure most common build for him is lazy tank "haha i facetank" but mah dude can tank AND HEAL. While also being a average weapon platform frame. BTW dear ||Bonk|| if inaros is bad in your oponion, because he needs weapons to kill things. I like to point you to frames like, Mirrage, Chroma, Grendel, Hildryn, Mag, Nekros, Nova, Sevagoth, Voruna, Wisp, Vauban and zephyr. Okay rant over. Dont want to sound angry/make a personal attack, just wanted to point out a few things about the Sand King of Mars, that people forget. Have a nice day everyone. (Yeah i know its just a video/game but still gotta stand for one of my boys.)

[@complimentbot7015]

Still useless

[@Anne_Grapple]

As far as I remember, his 1 doesn't blind every enemy, it has to "have eyes" in order to be blinded. Or was that fixed? Also, I personally do not find his 2 convenient. Yes, invincibility is cool, no doubt. However, I really do not like the fact that I have to just stand still in order to consume just one enemy, useful to just heal what I've lost on a mission. But I can give Garuda's 2 to any frame and have almost the same effect exept no invincibility and I can move (and do any other stuff) while healing.

[@nytrix9406]

how does one not know how to build hysteria?

[@kriss3401]

when will we be able to vote for the next one?

[@llbonkll]

when I get up tmr ill release the first r3 poll, want to give everyone time to get a chance to watch this.

[@Walt_Chocolate]

So who's ready for the Hydroid versus inaros finale? I'd probably pick hydroid even though he's my favorite and most used frame.

[@indrickboreale7381]

Hydroid is even worse than Yareli. She has at least damage resistance, somewhat reliable cc and movement boost, unlike Aquaman who is just worse at his job than Necros, Khora or augmented Atlas

[@1124spawn]

that thumbnail kinda looks like it says part 1

[@IssaMerk]

Bruh….4 minutes and we still on atlas and banshee 😭

[@thetrujaytm6208]

Nyx better win this whole thing

[@glassking9229]

People, go get Caliban and do lvl cap with him, you'll have a good time, trust me

[@Anne_Grapple]

Didn't do 9999, just Steel Path survival for an hour. He is not bad but it was no fun to me. Just spam 3 a little bit and re-cast it sometimes while slicing enemies with your weapons. To me Caliban is "Inaros but using skills is not a mistake". You can tell me why you love Caliban if you wish so, there's not a lot of his fans around.

[@shrapnel8869]

Whats that guy talking about? Ember can clear steel path enemies, and shield strip is pretty worthless since corpus have a tiny fraction of grineer EHP.

[@actively_narcissistic]

I'm still mad frost was voted here, I main him with a long distance build so his ability 1 helps line up shots with multiple enemies meaning that running a split flights crit build (going even more goated with the augment mod) I can kill crowds of enemies in two or three shots

[@Taoscape]

Yeah it was a classic match up. Not only for the 'defense meta' stereotype, but I think both frames haven't really been fully explored in their capabilities in a looooong while.

[@LancerV]

If hydroid doesnt end up in last place Ive lost hope

[@Few_dinner]

Pog

[@Vyt3x]

We all know this is gonna get down to hydroid vs inaros or caliban

[@peatral]

Yeah, probably Hydroid vs Inaros. I can't imagine people really think Yareli is worse than Inaros.

[@Marina-bc2dc]

based

[@LFiles48]

Sevagoth : no one will vote for you if they can't remember you. Personally I dislike wukong the most, not so much because of the frame, but because of its players. In my mind they're the same ones that complained about AoE and Eximus changes, because now they have to sort of aim once in a while and actually play the game.

[@Nekufan1000000]

If you have to aim, you need a better build. I'm still just running a Bramma two shotting everything with a Wisp and a roar. Jokes aside, I hate the eximus change still for totally screwing over CC frames. I used to be a Banshee main. Now Eximus assholes just walk into my 3 and clap me if I'm not running a stupid shield gate build.

[@LFiles48]

@@Nekufan1000000 I don't think you get what i was trying to say. Needing to aim is good, and CC is still not dead, despite years of "content creators" bitching about it, it's still very much present in the game. You just need to get involved in what you're doing. BTW, Headshot builds will vaporize anything, even eximus units.

[@ShishouDzukiZaManako]

5:50 ill just say inaros is a go to for hijack.... that is all. 12:20 if a team mate is being an ass.... just have a look over at your name; sure would be a shame if there was a (1) next to it...

[@llbonkll]

Host migration is the only true enemy in warframe

[@andrewseet4408]

Ok. Valkyr vs Yareli. As a main of Valkyr from I was a wee baby Tenno till now. I will put my bias aside. I will admit. I am a brain dead horny guy. But Valkyr has better damage and survivability. And more importantly. Manoeuvrability compared to Yareli. Valkyr can Spider-man around the place with no issues at all compared to Yareli with her Merulina. Yareli has better CC then Valkyr I will admit that. But survivability. Yareli has to rely on the one thing that is really annoying to use. While Valkyr. Can just tank easily via her stats alone. And her build I use for her. Growing Power. All Umbral Mods. Adaptation. Hunter Adrenaline. Primed Flow. Footed. and Continuity. And Eternal War. Along with Molt Augmented and Arcane Energize. And there. Brain Dead better Inaros that can actually do something. And fun fact. This tanky build. Has helped me when I join randoms in Arcon Hunts. All the enemies along with the Arcon KO’ing my teammates. While I just simply taking it like it is nothing while reviving them. Can Yareli do that. Yeah probably. But with a lot more steps. Enjoy my brain dead tanky build that at least piss shames Inaros. (I do like Inaros. But Hildryn booted him out of my life for…………… reasons…………………………… along with Protea and Wisp 😅). Sorry for the long tangent.

[@CattoEggs]

I'm pretty sure we all know that yarelli is the worst warframe, I'm calling it now.

[@peatral]

Nothing really surprising here. The semifinals will probably be Yareli against Inaros and Hydroid against someone else, the only one I'm not quite sure about, although Hydroid will probably win and continue further. Yareli should lose (win?) against Inaros as she actually has a working kit (with its own flaws of course, but not as bad as Inaros). Should she actually be voted as worse and get into the final probably against Hydroid, she is still better than him. I just can't see her lose. She has good synergies, mid tier abilities and sometimes wonky movements (based on the tileset played on). Inaros has a health. Hydroid has what? A puddle? Tentacles dealing a miniscule amount of damage? If you want tentacles, build a Kitgun using the vermisplicer, really great stuff.

[@dwaynethomas3598]

Xakuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[@MrLilhauughh]

If Inaros is the trash of frames because he is a no talent frame than AOE weapons are the equivalent of Inaros when it comes to weapons. They require no work and all you have to do is point in the general direction and pull the trigger. This is why DE should've reworked weapons with a bit more attention to detail. Not by taking ammo away from everything, etc. Wukong is also a lazy ass frame. Let his twin do all the work or fly from point to point in cloud form. Oh how hard. Hahahaa

[@SomebodyStoleMyHandle]

You can’t compare a warframe with useless abilities to weapons that clear a room with 1 shot that’s not how that works

[@GTurner2K]

Y'all tripping and falling. Hydroid is the worst of the worst.

[@RoyalTfrii]

Who else bets that inaros is going to win this competition

[@zoefromholz4243]

could i get an inv to the clan (zim369)

[@Churchgrimm]

All these arguments are trash, everyone knows the only trait that matters is how cool the warframe looks.

[@finleymorris04]

These are so annoying because it becomes quite clear most of the people voting haven’t played most of the frames for more than 10 minutes

[@goodenoughright5433]

The Waffle House has found it's new host

[@allennewborn936]

Not sure why Caliban is considered worse than Ember. Before steel path was even a thing, she was top of most favorite charts, yet when SP became a thing, she VERY VERY quickly moved to middle of the pack in usage and lately she's bottom of the barrel and I'll go days and never see anyone play her. That being said, same is with Caliban as far as seeing anyone using him. He's rarely in a group at all.. BUT.. he was also created after steel path content and therefore innately is built to be immersed in end game content and at least for me, he resides there fine. They even had to rework Ember for her to be even remotely effective in steel path, so honestly, I can't say the same with her belonging in steel path content. Her rework just doesn't work for me. Gone are the days of set it and forget it World on Fire abiiity, but holy crap you have to admit, she was SO FUN! Not anymore. I know I'll take some flack for this, but Caliban just feels cleaner and more streamline to use. He doesn't deal with her energy issues. He can go long into survivals.. Throw down your sentient, crowd control, armor strip, done. Ember is just too finicky and you have to deal with ridiculous synergy. Her abilities do synergize, but dealing with heating up with that stupid heat bar, screw that and screw Ember too. It's the exact same reason I can't stand Gauss. His only reason to be used has been helminthed and placed on other deserving frames.. *cough Thermal sunder *cough

[@Nekufan1000000]

What they need to do is simple. Instead of Ember's DR being tied to the bar and it reaching a point of overheating, it should be based on Strength, and always draining energy. So she can armor strip all the time at max efficiency and still have DR. Does it shove her into the same place as every other frame with an active ability you have to manage the energy for? Yes. But at least she'd be CONSISTENT for end game content instead of the micro managing that even Ember mains don't find fun. The fact most of her SP builds are "Use her 4 with its augment to get energy orbs, use Arcanes to knock down enemies on energy orb pick up for infinite CC" rather than ... anything to do with her kit really, says a lot.

[@allennewborn936]

@@Nekufan1000000 I completely agree with a perpetual drain of energy instead of the bar and a drastic drop in energy, only to have to refill it again. It's nonsensical in such a fast paced game. Most of my frames are quite high drain, yet I don't run out of energy due to the numerous ways of being able to regen. The issue I think DE was seeing as having a perpetual drain, such as with Equinox or Titania for example, as it was a set it and forget it ability. World on Fire was EXACTLY that before her rework. Not sure if you played her back then. It made her infinitely more playable, fun and useful. She was even a nice defense frame augmented properly. They wanted to get away from drain and honestly, it was a failure. Ember Prime sold for 1000p on a regular basis due to her ultra high demand.. now? Not even close. We already have a lot of 4's being perpetual drain abilities.. why not allow her to have it back again? Just make it stronger scaling with strength, exactly as you said.

[@hasiko_5]

Xaku mid 🥱limbo better

[@allennewborn936]

Agree. Wherever this dude is getting his poling from, he needs to reconsider. The pole takers need to be more objective. Oops. This is responding to the wrong comment. Anyhow.. my point still stand.

[@RattlebonesTheThird]

LIMBO SUPREMACY

[@kannaletto-4127]

Nyx is better than both rhino and neja, combined. 1 of the few frames that can achieve 100% damage reduction. Easy armor script and CC. The only thing she lacks is damage , but with evolving guns , she really doesn't need more .