Warhammer 2 Hero Tier Ranking

[@Okoii]

This is my absolute jam

[@millerrepin4452]

What about jelly

[@bificommander]

Inspiration for a few more "19/20 X" videos perhaps?

[@bambblamb3734]

He’s up to something

[@madkoala2130]

You know the deal, time to make meme stacks

[@grantalbury3710]

Another really great thing about River Troll Hags is they count as a siege attacker. So versatile even Legend couldn't think of everything haha

[@indrickboreale7381]

Their biggest flaw is low armor

[@AshenVictor]

@@indrickboreale7381 Eh, anything worth worrying about has AP anyway. River Troll Hags have a nice big bag of hitpoints, get some fire resist to cover the weakness of regen, and so are generally pretty durable. They don't duel well, but they're wizards so they're not supposed to.

[@Otakahunt]

@@AshenVictor in one of milkandcookiestw multiplayer matches he had a fight between wood elves and greenskins (so non-upgraded units) there was 2 river troll hags and first one got deleted by ranged fire very early on and second one was deleted by being surrounded with a single great stag knight unit - the ror version. (never seen any other hero unit die that quickly) They both died incredibly quickly in that match... im not sure how much you can buff them in campaign to make that not the case? :P Not questioning their spellcasting ability tho.

[@rafaelb.m.4756]

@@Otakahunt Well, they really need support to do anything in melee. You can buff them quite a bit, but more importantly this list is meant for campaign, where the AI won't be "as smart" as players when focusing heroes.

[@cuongle7990]

@@Otakahunt troll hags are large units. They're easy to hit with missiles and if surrounded they can be attacked by multiple units. That's why they're so easy to kill despite their hp in those situations. But put them in the middle of your own infantry you'll see that they can last quite a while.

[@flaviostefanutti1106]

Another great thing about Legend is that he listens to what we want and makes videos on those. Cheers man for all your content

[@danieltadd]

LegendofTotalWar does not listen to his viewers (unless it is criticism, which he tends to take quite personally) LegendofTotalWar primarily follows the view counts. He cares A LOT about KZbin's algorithm and the consistent view counts. After years of watching Legend you will notice that he also prefers content that requires zero to minimum post-production effort . This is why his content is usually all made in one take and non-scripted. He may use prompts. The content of Legend's which has the most effort, and ironically his highet view counts, are his "top 5" videos. But, they require lots of prep and editing; so he doesn't think the effort is worth it. As mentioned above, he cares more for consistent viewership; despite his viewers constantly asking for more of this, Legend will be the first to tell his audience that he doesn't like putting in that much effort. These tier lists are a gold mine for him. Absolutely zero prep-time and no scripts. He is literally just sharing his experience and then rakes in the views. Personally, I think it's a win-win. The reason his videos are popular is because of his candidness and conversational themes. When Legend streams or makes videos he makes his audience feel as though he is talking to them from across a table as apposed to talking TO them with scripts. This is why I love Legend, anyway. To say that Legend listens to his viewers is complete and utter nonsense. If legend does something that viewers asked for, then it is simply a matter of what coincides with the least amount of effort and what boosts his algorithm score. This comment is not criticism. It is just an observation from years of watching his videos and streams.

[@Jose-sl9gh]

@@danieltadd You are confusing loud minorities as actual "viewers". As an example at this moment this video has 26k views, 2.6k likes and not even 2 hundred comments. If you believe the comment section is your viewer base, you are really wrong. Listening the data is listening the audience. Only for very specific things (like getting a specific topic for something) the comments are worth it.

[@flaviostefanutti1106]

@@danieltadd it seems like it could have been in the past as this Hero tier list has been requested some time ago and he delivered..I agree that what's good about him is his honesty with what he wants from us and from KZbin, but to me it's worth more as its not hidden behind any masks. If he was exactly as you said, he would make a lot more promoted videos. Moreover, he does hours and hours of campaigns he doesn't want (some he rightly quits if people lose interest) just from what we ask. That takes dedication and even if a little, the will to fulfill our viewing desires

[@ufc990]

@@danieltadd I've actually thought of nearly everything you've said myself at some point and I think its true, it's quite apparent to see with his blood dragon doomstack non apology.

[@ufc990]

@@flaviostefanutti1106 He was going to make this video from the very beginning when he saw how much we liked this. If you want to see how much he really cares, go watch the blood dragon doomstack video he has out. The one where he uses the actual blood dragons instead of wind of deathing everything.

[@marcgw496]

Legend: “No heroes in this game are bad. All viable to an extent.” Also Legend: “I never get Eshin Sorcerers, they SUCK” Lol love it.

[@jimbraatz4514]

i love the eschin sorc with the big boys in the thott campaign =)

[@Manchineel3993]

Every rule has an exception, except this one.

[@doktarr]

@@jimbraatz4514 All-stalking armies are the only time you should be using the Eshin Sorcerer. Which isn't never, but it's at most a couple armies.

[@Alienoiable]

There's only one way to use the eshin sorcerer : make use of the shuriken. A lot. Just constantly harass enemy lord with them. They are a great projectile for dealing with lord, heroes and monsters tbh.

[@sokar_rostau]

@@Alienoiable I disagree with ranking them as the worst hero in the game. If you're mostly using doomstacks then I can see why you might not like them but ignoring them altogether, especially on Legendary, is downright dumb. 1. Unlike most other projectile spells, Warp Stars go straight through anything between the caster and the target. With proper positioning it's easy to get 50 kills per cast. 2. Veil of Shadows and Black Whirlwind are effectively the Skaven's Net of Amyntok, for ground troops anyway. 3. They are good enough in melee to be able to help any unit in trouble, and have the tools to help that unit and themself escape. They can tank half a stack of low tier troops like goblins all on their lonesome while dishing out the pain, and that's pretty damn good for a caster without a mount. 4. They're small targets with 20% Missile Resistance, Vanguard, and Stalk. They're also fast enough to outrun most infantry. 5. Most important of all Toxic Rain, their Lore Attribute, stacks with poison and you can keep it up pretty consistently. Map-wide -10% melee and ranged damage is good but combine it with any source of poison like hero weapons, Gutter Runners, or Bless with Filth, and that goes up to -25%. Toxic Rain also provides -10% speed, which stacks not only with the -15% speed from poison but also the -10% from the Plague Priest's Plague Rash attribute, AND the -35% speed from Ratling Guns, for a grand total of -70% speed, all while making summoned Clanrats take up to 25% less damage. How can that NOT be useful on any difficulty, let alone Legendary? Eshin Sorc's make Assassins and Plague Priests better.

[@kcneedles261]

Can we get a non-legendary Lord tier ranking? Would be interesting to here your take on the options for each faction.

[@indrickboreale7381]

The best are HE lords with their boosted traits (and rolling their traits isn't as grindy as DE titles)

[@Shnarg100]

@@indrickboreale7381 generic Vampire lords are much better. They can solo armies with winds of death

[@DivineCatStories]

I was hope to watch them with heroes :(

[@matiasmattera6650]

I second this

[@indrickboreale7381]

@@Shnarg100 You mean semi-legendary Bloodline lords?

[@Guillimann]

these tierlists bring SUCH JOY to my heart

[@sev1120]

A great thing about skink chiefs: You can give them stalk An army of stalking stegadons

[@jacobherrera4616]

And poison attacks!

[@millerrepin4452]

@@jacobherrera4616 stegadons already deal poison attack

[@sev1120]

@@millerrepin4452 stegadons don't deal poisoned attacks at base. Maybe the ancient stegadon howta attacks do, but not their melee attacks

[@ninaillingworth3947]

The day I noticed I could put my SC on an ancient steggo in the vanguard deploy zone and give him stalk was the day I stopped buying Red Crested Skinks for anyone but Tenny. "Sneak Steggodon" is the entire reason I don't suck at beating the crazy amount of Vampire Coast guys you fight in the Lustrian midgames. "Oh wow man, you have a bunch of artillery? That's cool bro; have an Ancient Stegadon behind your lines - I guess there's a Skink Chief on the back buffing it up too... kthanxbye." Edit: I guess I should just add that you have to remember to take him off skirmish; took me a really long time to realize the Ancient Stegadon is basically a line pulverizer and not "a much crappier version of the regular Stegodon with worse range" because I never just put him into melee mode and sent him in - after a while I noticed him behaving like the biggest skink skirmisher in history and realized I was using him wrong. Beginner problems, lol.

[@dantesparda14175]

Imagine getting snuck up on by a massive dinosaur

[@Grivehn]

"There needs to be an SS tier for high elf mages." - Legend of Total War 2021. Also high elves in Elder Scrolls, probably.

[@steakdriven]

Is that a joke about the High Elves being Nazis in the Elder Scrolls?

[@thedarkholegammertdhg9255]

@@steakdriven yes

[@lordmaur180]

"Are we the bad guys?" High elf talking to another after massacring a humam population, causing a civil war in skyrim and subjugating the empire because of how they pray wrong...

[@naljiaskal5004]

As a german, SS Tier confuses me ;)

[@greatfishoftherhodiumriver6714]

@@naljiaskal5004 ah yes the ss animal. ;)

[@FordyA29]

The madlad did it! Generic lord tier list next?!

[@JB-xl2jc]

I'm trying to think how many that would be if you consider every Archmage lore a separate one for instance (which you have to because a HE Life archmage for instance has a WILDLY different value than, say, high magic archmage)

[@FordyA29]

@@JB-xl2jc like this vid, just group them together and quickly mention the best/worst ones

[@Cloudy-qb4ri]

@@JB-xl2jc i think that would just come down to the lore of magic tier list tbh. the same generic lords with different spells ain't really different from each other, aside from the spells, and that's simply the lore, not the lords.

[@gwanael34]

I'd like to mention the High Elf fire mage gets a special mount. A sun dragon.

[@MrFallenone]

He did mention that. Not very clearly but if you know about it he did say it. "if you want to burn enemies with dragons" just forgot the mount part

[@KazeKoichi]

Dragons are overrated anyway. They are too big target for enemy's ranged fire.

[@chriswhinery925]

@@KazeKoichi Well, you have to be careful with them, for sure. But putting mages on flying mounts is pretty much always really good. Makes it so easy to position them for a good cast. Can fly forward, cast, then fly back out of the line of fire again. Needs to be micro'd a bit but still really nice.

[@ceeno9042]

@@KazeKoichi he's also mainly talking about campaign where there's basically no reason to not use dragons

[@M.L.official]

​@@KazeKoichi Thing is though, mages do have tiny health pools, so putting them on a dragon is a big thing since their HP increases a bunch and is good in case of overcast miscasts. And even though they are bigger targets, the incendiary trait basically makes them one of the strongest 'doomstacks' in the game. It does take ages to get them to that point, though. Im always conflicted on Dragons, I think as a unit they suck, but as a mount they are awesome. I put all lords on dragon mounts if they have one available.

[@someguy7916]

Couldn't help but crack up at the cursed thought of a High Elven "SS" wizard. Something tells me the trait 'Hates Dwarves' will be on heavy rotation in their recruitment pool...

[@matiasmattera6650]

What? The tall, blond, pure and superior race? Being rascist? What're you impling my guy?

[@sev1120]

@@matiasmattera6650 well, all elves are corrupted by chaos. The elven corruption makes their racism manifest in different ways Wood Elves isolate from everyone Dark Elves enslave everyone High Elves look down on everyone

[@rockstar450]

Entrepreneur Needs to be capped it’s simply an exploits for a race that doesn’t need help with money. They need a province limits and a global Limit On bonuses in general

[@bambblamb3734]

@@sev1120 sounds like the Eldar except for wood elves cuz wood

[@Cloudy-qb4ri]

@@rockstar450 it isn't an exploit. an exploit means doing something the game does not mean for you to do or has no previous intentions in letting you do that. whilst the trait is clearly there for that purpose and that purpose only, no other roundabout way about it.

[@Morbak546]

I'll just add my little grain of salt about the witch hunters: If you own middenheim and build the high temple of middenheim (tier 5), you gain the ability to recruit witch hunters everywhere, even in ruined settlements, wich is great in an emergency or when you want to blitzkrieg your way into an area with attrition (by delaying enemy armies or killiing enemy heroes)

[@sokar_rostau]

Even in ruined settlements? WTF?

[@Morbak546]

@@sokar_rostau yep, as long as your factions owns the ruin you can access the hero recruiting window and you'll see that the witch hunters aee available

[@sokar_rostau]

@@Morbak546 Oh, you mean a ruin you've just settled and haven't yet repaired? That's not what most people would call a ruin. Many, if not most, factions have a lord skill/trait or special building that allows agent recruitment in any owned settlement. It's not special to Witch Hunters.

[@Morbak546]

@@sokar_rostau That's the difference I make between a ruin and a ruined settlement idk what most people think. As a total war noob, I haven't played any other faction than the Empire and Bretonnia so I'd like you to give me some exemples regarding those faction wide recruitable heroes.

[@sokar_rostau]

@@Morbak546 Off the top of my head, Oxyotl, Imrik, and Alarielle have skills to unlock Skink Oracles, Nobles, and Handmaidens, in all settlements while one of Teclis' quest items unlocks Mages. It really isn't as good as it sounds. Unless you really, really, really, absolutely must have a level 1 hero right here and right now, you're always better off hiring from a province where you can hire at a higher level.

[@JustSome462]

One thing about Runesmiths that i feel is worth pointing out is that they get the Sharpen Weapons action, which gets +10% missile and weapon damage for the army, which is pretty good, also Wardbreaker reduces enemy missile resistance which is very good for a missile heavy army like the Dwarfs

[@UndeadMongoose301]

Same with thanes being able to buff irondrakes, ironbreakers and rangers. We don't talk about the hammerer buff skill though.

[@JustSome462]

@@UndeadMongoose301 The Hammerers skill buff is actually ok since it also gives guardian to the Thane, great on one of Belegar's Thanes so the ethereal heroes hit the physical resistance cap. The hammerers buff itself kind of suck tho

[@AshenVictor]

It's actually +13% (3% base +10% from skill points). It's worth having one of them for Sharpen Weapons and Wardbreaker, because quite a lot of high tier units get 20% missile resist.

[@NTDang]

Does it stack?

[@TB-oz9lv]

Sad part is that's about the only reason to bring them. Who wouldn't choose even eshen magic or nehekara over the new rune system? Only good part is you can make alot of runesmiths...but thanes and engis so much harder to get in quantity. Usually I fill em in for gun lines as a squishy thane to hold the line...but I lose them sometimes on tough battles.

[@trainheartnet5657]

What blows my mind about Legend is that he's not just good at optimizing one faction. He's good at all the factions in the game. Good work, man. I can't imagine how much research this one took.

[@marcgw496]

Throgg has entered the chat.

[@FreeSpirit985]

So true. Sometimes he quotes his like 12k+ hours in the game as the reason, but that's not really the point - he's just being modest. Also, it's interesting to notice how his gameplay and opinions on stuff have evolved since "staunch line of spears", though. He's a smart, perfectionist exploits-loving guy playing my favorite game. Just great.

[@wardenstone6021]

@@FreeSpirit985 and the best trait IMO. In anyone, is that he lets his opinions change based on what he sees. Instead of just believing one unit is trash forever. His experiences actually change his opinion. It’s invaluable for someone that watches his content to try and learn how to play better as I do.

[@FreeSpirit985]

@@wardenstone6021 yes, true. Though if he wasn't willing to change his mind and adjust based upon evidence, he wouldn't be on of the best (if not the best) in single player

[@henryviiifake8244]

Plague Priest = Best priest, yes-yes. 😌

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

Eshin assassin: no no we shall kill kill you when you sleep yes yes

[@joncarter3761]

@@memesofwarhemmer7076 meanwhile the chieftain and pack master gently pet their mounts. Let's face it all of the Skaven hero's are pretty decent! Just depends on faction/army composition.

[@shanethesmith443]

4600 hours logged, and Skaven is my favorite race, but somehow I never realized that Plague Furnace had the mortis engine effect. Thanks for another great tier list.

[@indrickboreale7381]

I once killed Dread Saurian with only Plague Priest on mount

[@sokar_rostau]

@@indrickboreale7381 I see you play with time limits turned off...

[@indrickboreale7381]

@@sokar_rostau I won after this kill, because Furnace of Plague was clearing the walls all the time

[@seanmcgovern1514]

I play tomb kings a lot. I know that lich priests are lacking in good lores. The one thing I think that goes overlooked in this guide is their recruitment boosts. Not only for lords but units. With their skill tree you can actually get enough of these quickly, with khatep because he boosts how many you can have and their rank, to actually recruit units at rank 9 in one army. Yes this means having 5 priests in one army all at rank 10, but recruiting army units that take advantage of all red line boosts from your lord is a great boost. Especially since your units need all the help they can get.

[@LanceF7]

You're right. I started a Khatep campaign and refreshed liche priests until I got two with the wise trait. Then gave both of them the skill to recruit with an extra rank of experience. Whenever I fight a battle now, I just combine my chaff and receuit skeleton spears with 7 ranks of experience. Makes the game so much easier.

[@seanmcgovern1514]

@@LanceF7 yeah just wait for your tomb scorpions

[@jwb590]

This feels like the most ambitious one yet. I imagine Legend is doing all of this in one take with no notes, such is his mastery of the game.

[@owensamuelrogers72]

For Empire I would say that Warrior Priests are S Tier and Witch Hunters are A, with the new Empire Buff you can get 100% success rate all the time with how the lords new skill work, when a warrior priest lord gets level 2 you can instantly increase the capacity for both Witch hunters and Warrior priests with a bonus of +2 untainted PER CHARACTER. This make it so stacking warrior priests in an army 100x easier and makes it so each gun powder army has a better front line. Plus you can wipe out corruption anywhere with just one character by around turn 50+.

[@fish7598]

@tobias76 To be fair it's not like the Empire suddenly became a top teir faction because of it

[@Cracker3011]

Generic Lord tier list too, just to complete the set? Like, which one's best to recruit for your armies?

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

to be fair, once skaven start building their bells they stop having caster capacity because you get A LOT of bell polishers, which can then be equipped on each and every character therefore boosting your caster capacity without limitation

[@ROCCATEER92]

35:20 This one here really needs to be like an SS-Tier. Me: * nervous german breathing

[@generalrambling7035]

It feels like he could have split S and A tier further up. That would have provided more information. But overall great video. The positions make sense to me. Although those videos are even more about the discussion of each unit than the exact rank. At least that's what I care more for.

[@randomaccessfemale]

Agreed. He could have had AA group and SS group.

[@117green11]

The fact that Waystalkers get prey of anath raema moves them to B for me, but they really got made a little redundant when glade captains got added tbh.

[@M.L.official]

Yea, but at least you still get talon of kurnous trait on your lords to give you the range buff to your army. Idk I feel like they should give it to the waystalkers again but just reduce it.

[@BellumCarroll]

I always end up adding one to hawk rider stacks as the grounded unit. Rarely ever have to hide them off in a corner either - if they get discovered just makes a nice blob target for some dwellers and volleys lol

[@117green11]

@@M.L.official yeah they should give it back its not like they were op or anything, or make Prey of anath raema AOE instead of single target.

[@nicolinrucker5181]

Glade Captains only get Arrow doh.

[@Eyeless177]

I`d say dwarf's rune priest deserve a mention of their +10% weapon/missile str buff and -10% missile resistance to local enemies skill. I think 1 is a must have in a dwarf stack.

[@FrostfireGaming1134]

I love that you explain everything so clearly, you really show us your knowledge of the game! That's what I think I enjoy most about your channel

[@Lopsinho]

Ive waited so long for this. Heroes are a bit harder to understand than units. Even after playing every race on legendary oncd i am still not sure which ones are good which arent.

[@Elliott13]

I like that this whole series of tierlists for like the last 2 months will never go out of date since the game is done with updates. Perfect time to make these kinds of lists

[@kristoforperkola6923]

Interesting Beastmen hero fact: both the Wargor and the Gorebull can assassinate, not just wound. I think they might be the only race with two generic assassinators.

[@jumiric]

They are!

[@arcadius2569]

When you put them all on a screen together it doesn't actually look like an overwhelming amount. Now, put them all together on a campaign map, and you've got yourselves 5 times the turn time! Great list, there are some heroes I never checked out so I'll be sure to go back after this list.

[@ZarakiKenpachi9100]

holy shit, this is gonna be a big one. Plague-Priest ftw

[@daedalusdreamjournal5925]

We did ask for it, and now, it's finally here! GOOD JOB LEGEND! *tumbs up*

[@obi-wan3916]

Love waking up with my Coffee on day off to see an hour long legend video

[@nicholasswope2767]

I've been absolutely binging your content allllll week and it's been really helpful and interesting as I learn twwh2, I've gotten 30 hours in the past few days and it's a blast!!!! Could you do a regiments of renown tier list?

[@KillZallTheBeast]

Yeah warhammer has so many different races and how they play legend basically gives new and veteran players great tips

[@TheSharingan32]

Hey legend! Today i finished the last race left for me in Legendary/Very hard battle, Norsca. This is all you. I learnt so much watching your videos. So thank you for everything, all your advices, you're doin such a great job !

[@arcadius2569]

Seeing this in my feed, absolutely knew what I was gonna watch over dinner. Time to feast on good food and greater knowledge!

[@elmanhux]

Uuuhhhhh! Our Legend of a Hero making a Hero Tier Ranking, was about about time matey!

[@jacob9327]

One good thing about blunderbuss engineers are that they boost your melee, making engineers more viable as line-holders. Which works if you're not getting much value out of sniping.

[@rickylahey657]

I boosted a few wood elf archer hero with the forge of daithe stuff and they could have around 100 ammunition and 2000 damage and with like 3 or 4 of them they can delete all the heros and lords on an army faster than most things

[@balk0867]

There are 2 things fimir balefiends are really good for. You can use them for a scary stack which is obviously the strongest army norsca can have and is cheaper than mammoth spam and you can use them to increase growth at faction capitals such as Altdorf that take forever to grow and you don't always get the opportunity to occupy them at tier 4. If you notice an incoming attack that the garrison can't handle you can just recruit a lord and put your balefiends in that army and they will usually turn things around for you, since they work well in armies that have lots of infantry like garrisons and their low speed doesn't hinder them as much when defending.

[@Lumavah]

Another couple things thing you didn't really mention about Skink Chiefs; they can assassinate enemy heroes, boost region income and if you level them up, you can have them get vanguard deployment and stalk on a Stegadon, which can be pretty useful (especially in a pompous doomstack).

[@MrPoscaldious]

Flying fire wizards best-greatest.

[@Casimir2811]

I think that Empire Captains are pretty useful in armies. They are (with Bretonnian Paladins) the only type of heroes that can be flying AND shielded. It makes them damn efficient at disrupting the ennemy backline of missile units and artillery without being shot to death in seconds.

[@DjangoFett33]

Nice! Glad to see this list finally come out. I wouldnt mind seeing a lord tier list, possibly 🙏

[@amilitarymind]

The joy of seeing a Legend tier list in my recommended is immeasurable. You are the real S tier, Legend. We love you.

[@jouglas6695]

Thank you so much for doing this one legend!

[@LordGame2222]

The black orc big bosses can wipe out half of a Garrison in one agent action if trained properly. They're also quite effective against armies. Maybe not enough to bump them up a tier, but I think it's worth mentioning

[@jakubs.5966]

Depends on playstyle, same as you don't see Legend spamming "assault garrison", I just don't like doing it too, it's so stupid it breaks my immersion when playing. It's not 'poison the well' or 'incite riots' as it was in historical total wars and it can't be, since orc big boss can only try to set something on fire and most likely fail at that ^^ I feel like that feature is just not needed to play this game at all.

[@alexeyalexandrov7583]

Do different heroes have different efficiency when assaulting garrison? I used to do this action when starting playing WH2 but stopped because casualties are usually pretty pathetic even with 3 skill points in "Assault Garrison". Never tried with the BOBB though

[@LordGame2222]

@@alexeyalexandrov7583 BOBB gets skill unlocks that vastly improve the Assault Garrison/Units agent actions, and an ancillary that boosts them as well. Add these to the trait you get for successfully performing the action enough times and you hit 50% effectiveness. Excellent for taking out those pesky Dwarf and Lizardmen garrisons.

[@mickethegoblin7167]

@@jakubs.5966 think of them sneaking in and then rampaging through the barracks. Or just setting fire to them.

[@MrAntraxico]

Thank you for this Tier List Legend. It is incredibly helpful. Regardless of how this content was conceived, it answered some of the questions I had when playing my campaigns. I asked for this sort of video in another Tier List and was disregarded by other viewers. Whether Legend had seen similar comments in other videos or not I feel meets some people were asking for and I am grateful for it.

[@pplr1]

One good thing about waystalkers is they can fire while staying hidden-this lets someone pick off important units in an enemy army over time. Having 2 or more in an army speeds up the process of taking down power or scary enemy units. Wood Elf armies are good at hiding in forests so this can be done before the enemy army discovers most of the wood elf army and is distracted by fast moving units like glade riders or other things they can chase for awhile.

[@thedarkmaster4000]

and the thing is about the eshin sorcerer, even though it is probably the worst hero, in the faction it is meant for, Clan eshin, hes useful there for the shadowy dealings mechanic. so they do have their uses, which like legend said, all of them do

[@TheBarser]

He is actually really good. But skaven is swimming in heroes. You will get access to way more plague/ruin priest than you can use, and plague priest are a must

[@twiceasfun9392]

I mean, you can use them for shadowy dealings, but it's super easy to have your assassin capacity higher than you could ever use, so why bother with eshin sorcerers? And master assassins can do shadowy dealings too, even if they're not on the map. Like, I have a master assassin lord that occasionally takes over when snikch needs to go on a vacation, but the rest of the time, that lord just sits in the recruit pool, carrying out my shadowy dealings and leveling while he's at it

[@HD-fh5xq]

Seen the title, instant like, was waiting for this one!

[@Schizskai]

I feel like i been attending school for total war warhammer with these videos 2k hours into the game and still learning a lot from Legend's videos

[@moody_mage3724]

Good video. I feel Empire Captains should have their flying mounts taken into consideration. Battlefield mobility is so useful for distracting powerful enemy units and also to focus down on artillery and archers.

[@kentknightofcaelin4537]

The problem is that the empire doesn't face many missile-focused enemies.

[@erensametkaratas6593]

18:00 Legend when he talks about the Vampire Counts. He just loves them

[@Khorothis]

This was very educational, it really puts heroes in a broader perspective. Thanks, Legend!

[@Alkalinefooly]

Defiantly been waiting for this one! Thanks Legend!

[@Kragnar1]

I’d also mention how auto resolve treat these heroes. For example warrior priests in auto resolve commit hari Kari almost every battle.

[@RAWR26633]

You forgot to mention how different branchwraiths work as drycha. They are 100% different under her. They are her spellsingers

[@francescobianchi595]

just.. thank you for your videos

[@sortadecentgaming2348]

I always feel so pointlessly smug whenever Legend ranks something the way I would. Like, "yeah! I knew that was good! Haha!"

[@ironsilk535]

Legend listens to the fans! Awesome video!

[@digsshayla8940]

Truly is the LegendofTotalWar. These tierlists are A1

[@andypants1000]

A1 steak sauce got nothing on HP sauce.

[@digsshayla8940]

@@andypants1000 Is that a steak sauce also?

[@andypants1000]

Yes? And no.

[@trinebula]

This is the tier ranking I've been waiting for!

[@thiagorodrigues5211]

Man, I used to hate the idea of Total War mixing with fantasy but then I realized Warhammer's lore is awesome. Been reading about lords and watching videos about the game and damn, so good! Greenskins are awesome to play, having a lot of fun with Grom or "yer immensity" as we should call him.

[@TotalWarChronicles]

You are my favorite hero mister Legend

[@brantswartz2472]

Having all the portraits put together really shows how derpy they look. XD

[@MalakianM2S]

Giving ammo to Ironbreakers, and even miners with blast charges, is one of my favourites features of the engineer.

[@SWtaervdesn]

I think the Liche Priest was too harsh to place in "A" tier. It ncreases lord recruit rank in addition to royal burriel cha,mbers and the Great Incantation of Tahoth, increases unit experience rank in addition to other unit recruit ranks, increase local hero action success chance, decrease that of the enemy's, increase research rate slightly in addition to capturing settlements to maintain quick research times and WoM reserves on top of increases from dynasty research, Knowledgeable and if you take the Sixth Book of Nagash. If capacity is still a sticking point for people whom aren't happy they are limited, keep in mind by the time you hit the hLiche priest capacity for HQ Khalida or Settra, you shall have access to plentiful constructs from which you may destroy your enemis with if not magic in armies without a wizard. Tomb Kings have no spellcaster lord but do have access to powerful missile and monster units to offset their limited magic capabilities.

[@neyaralbator1834]

Thank you so much ! I was waiting for that one.

[@urezzz]

This is the list I was waiting for! All hail legend 🤴

[@Narago.]

Legend I really love your videos. I’m so hyped to see you play Warhammer 3. Started to play recently myself but I’m a bit noob. But your videos are so nice. Have a good one mate ❤️

[@astralfrost6626]

And here I thought you were actually out of tier lists. Nice work!

[@HotFreshTofu]

We need a tier list of your tier lists now please.

[@sebastianpietrasz2711]

We need a tier list of tier lists:D

[@sparkssteveo]

Great tier list from legend again. Agree with pretty much every ranking and the fact that casters are all ranked so highly (well, most anyway!) currently playing my first ever Dwarfs campaign and I really miss my spell casters! 😬

[@musclegeek1991]

you know what would be awesome? The addition of a rank 20 skill that is mutually exclusive with immortality. I’m thinking a really strong and cheap spell, or like an all around stat boost with ward save and regen… just like a skill that makes the hero WAY stronger… at the cost of losing the ability to make them immortal. Risk/reward.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I think only Lizardmen would ever take it. Since they can easily buff hero recruitment past level 20.

[@blahblahghost]

Starting the morning off right, with an hour video on Warhammer heroes. *sips coffee*

[@DrFeltcher]

LOVING these tier lists. Maybe you can do generic lords next?

[@Smitywerban]

You forgot something about the thanes: at lvl 12 you havevthe option to give them the "wanderer" skill granting ranger units the snipe attribute.

[@CyberUK]

You make A LOT of great videos mate. Thank you.

[@roosevelt2003]

Nice content, finally a HERO list

[@warhammerguy]

Still got ptsd from wh1 where greenskin AI got the cheat to spam goblin big boss so your early dwarf armies were constantly blocked or got it's heroes assassinated and it was NOTHING you could do about it.

[@MrFatbard]

as a beastmen player i miss recruiting units at rank 9 with gorebulls lol and i keep forgetting how many heroes are added with mixu's lord mods, slayer heroes, shadowdancers, as well as some lore friendly special heroes like kouran darkhand and some other awesome dudes like that

[@KMusic_13]

Would be interesting to see a tier list of LL defeat traits, I never really prioritize any in particular but I see you focus on them a lot in doomstack videos etc. Thanks for all the S tier content man!

[@jamesbrockhouse8710]

Every time Legend says Knowledgeable, take a shot

[@roughrecks3314]

OOOOOOO time to get comfy! thanks for new vid legend!!

[@roughrecks3314]

Legend is right. instant-gaming has call of the beastmen for almost half the cost.

[@benzinonr.1635]

Even without Livestreams always top-notch contents thank you @LegendofTotalWar 🔝🔝🔝

[@aquamchicken4456]

sir legend that description of river troll hag made my morning thank you lol

[@flaminggold7593]

I can’t believe he did it. Legend really is a legend🔥

[@Luke-tt3dt]

For high elves, I love stacking heroes with the Honed trait in a single army for the +5 melee attack and defense to spearmen, archers, Lothern Sea Guard etc. and getting a doomstack of shielded LSG with like 80+ melee defense and 55% missile block, making them even tankier than Ironbreakers, with a missile attack and anti-large bonus to boot. So much fun. Only weakness is the lack of AP damage so a checkerboard with LSG at the front and Sisters of Avelorn at the back is unstoppable, really good against high mobility armies like Dark Elves and Beastmen, or missile-heavy armies like Skaven

[@samiratilainen7390]

Quality of these videos: S TIER!👍🏻

[@dunhilyn]

For 1000 years I lay dormant. Finally I awake to hero tier list.

[@Adjusting1]

Love you Legend, keep up with great content

[@ThirstyOtter]

Another great vid, really enjoy these tier lists

[@mandalfthewizard6079]

I asked for this tierlistover 2 years now :)

[@wetwillyis_1881]

I can't believe that AL and Tipir Gorebull only got A tier.

[@TheBarser]

I would also put them at S. Maybe because he play at huge unit scale and legendary.

[@VincentSaan]

Well they suck at lawsuits lol especially against loremaster Dee Schnider

[@simenskeide5634]

Going to make one for III?

[@scrungobeepis5443]

I’d be curious to see a Trait tier list if that’s possible, I never know what’s good on what

[@randomaccessfemale]

Just pick Knowledgeable. Can't go wrong with that.

[@Cloudy-qb4ri]

basically the best for each type: (not considering High Elves cuz they're so cool they gets their own unique traits) -Wizards: for extra wind for the faction -Melee heroes: you could also put this on wizards that is in your army, and keep the one somewhere and provide the bonus passively. -Specialists: depends on what you're trying to do with them, if you using them as scouts to explore the map ahead of the armies then i reckon that is pretty okay, otherwise there are so many scenarios where you want them to do an exact task, so a hand-picked trait will fit that situation whilst others won't, an example is HE's mages. Some exceptions are: -Skaven: you should get as much as possible for the ambush success chance, in fact, beside and you shouldn't be getting any other trait in your heroes, regardless of what you're going to do with them. -any Chaos: skip for in chaos faction because they have only have melee as an option, so 3 extra melee atk is way better than 2 extra leadership. -High Elf: any trait that cost influence is good in their own way, some might excel in some scenarios but overall all great. Basically you can't go wrong with spamming in the richest province, and customize the heroes in your fighting armies with whatever the trait you want. My personal choices for each HE's heroes' trait is: +Mages: to quickly cover more ground in battle, means easier casting and running away +Handmaidens: to heal themselves whilst holding the line +Loremasters: if holding the line for archers-based army, for phoenixes doomstack (toss in some mages with too) +Nobles: anything is good, they have such a good range of trait that each serves its own purpose just right.

[@pedroauerlemos]

Dayum, you did Eshin Sorcerers dirty P.S: I'd say the Malevolent branchwraits of Drycha deserved their own entry, since they are distinct in relation to the regular ones that have the mixture of lores of magic

[@Arwcwb]

Thank you so much for these Legend