Warhammer World's first ever The Old World Tournament- How did my Bretonnians do?!

[@lolsovs]

Its really nice to hear ToW is doing well from launch, gives me hope for the future. Here in Hong Kong, the local GW shop, the shopkeeper lights up if you ask him about ToW (+20 years of collecting Bretonnians), he says lots of people are so excited and its already more popular than AoS, despite ToW kits are hard to come by.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Oh that’s so cool to hear that it’s doing well over in Hong Kong as well! Love hearing that, hope you get some games in soon if you’re looking for them

[@thomassaxon8254]

I went to small local 1250 store tournament in Woking. Great atmosphere and truly sporting people pressnt who genuinely just love the game. Off to my next one (1500) soon. Sounds like you had a similarly good experience with people playing.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Aw that’s great to hear! Seems like everyone is just happy to be playing this again(with some changes) and helping the community grow. Love to see it!

[@waifu_enjoyer]

Nice to meet you last weekend. Was great fun and hope I can go again for the next one on August 31st!

[@MediocreHobbies]

It was pal. I wish I could go a gang in August but I doubt it.

[@eviltables7235]

I did manage to kill a duke on pegasis recently with my Doombull. He had slugskin and bedazzling helm for -2 to hit, also with 4+ armour save and 5+ ward from talisman of protection. In the challenge the lord didn't do any damage and my doombull was able to kill him on the return. He was also already wounded from viletide so that helped

[@MediocreHobbies]

Powerful build. I mite steel that for my own beastmen

[@juliendx3747]

Thanks a lot for the run down !!! I really enjoyed it :) I'm going to the one dayer in May at the WhW with Bretonnian as well so I'll try to make the lady proud. Cheers.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Oh I’m sure you will do great. Enjoy it pal.

[@davidtaylor3098]

Can anyone tell me, what they think of the rules of the special character Lady Elise? Has anyone played with/against her? whats her rules like?

[@deanm4771]

Nice to meet you at the tournament buddy and to be able to show you my Kingdom of Heaven army. Cheers🍻

[@MediocreHobbies]

It looked so good pal. Great to meet you.

[@williamamely7038]

Glad you enjoyed your tournament games. Your best model came through for you, which is awesome.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Yeah would have been terrible to bring him all the way only to fluff the dice rolls 😄

[@cedomirpaunovic7058]

Hi, nice tournament. Is there anywhere we could see your list?

[@MediocreHobbies]

Patreon. I post a video on it there.

[@scroggie_mini_painting3983]

Congrats Andy! Glad you all had a great trip

[@MediocreHobbies]

Cheers all. It was great.

[@rayshouse4933]

Congratulations on the game. Sounds like a blast!

[@MediocreHobbies]

It really was.

[@Captain_Idaho]

That's the same build for a Duke I've gone with. Sirienne's Locket with a 5+ Regen means you aren't easy to hurt. I was considering the Bedazzling Helm though. 2+ save but no Regen, however even a Chaos Lord hits on a 5+! What do you think.

[@jhubbs24]

Can you post your list that you took? I play Bretonnians too and would like to see your character builds.

[@MediocreHobbies]

I showed them off in the previous video.

[@michaelford4148]

Glad you had a good tournament! I’ve always loved my Pegasus knights, since they are so fast and versatile!

[@MediocreHobbies]

There so so good.

[@leathersmith88]

I went up against a duke on royal pegasus at a tournament last weekend with my Gnome army (counts as night goblins). I killed the duke with a lucky shot from my doom diver, taking 3 wounds off him. He then died to fanatics a turn or 2 later.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Ye fanatics are absolutely no joke.

[@Marlerc11]

The beastmen in general are also actually overpowered probably do to the individual units just being better than they were an eighth. Maybe they were compensating. But also because of the changes to movement in this Edition that make it more like editions in the past. They can also bring lists that literally have almost no rank and flank units and are just pure MSU/single entity spam that guarantees you're almost never getting advantageous charges off and you're playing by their rules. Razorgors need to be in special units category, and dragon ogres should have to be taken in units of two just like the ogre mournfang Cavalry, which they are better than and cheaper than

[@MediocreHobbies]

Fair points.

[@Tukenukemus]

I've only managed to paint one unit of Questing Knights, one unit of Pegasus knights and a Grail Reliquae so far... long way to go before a 1500p army. Nice to see Bretonnian lords kicking ass!

[@MediocreHobbies]

That’s still a big bite taken out of your army. I’m sure you will be there in no time.

[@Swarbie8D]

Glad you had a great time! I’m hopefully going to attend an Old World event in early June; only a single day 3-rounder, but I think that might be my limit anyway 😂

[@MediocreHobbies]

Ye that will be great fun. My next few will be one day events.

[@ImrahilToChaos]

I didn’t think Killing Blow worked on monsters! It only works on infantry and cavalry. He managed to kill the Necrosphinx anyway I assume? EDIT: I realized that he also had the Monster Slayer rule, so no doubt he hit that 6!

[@MediocreHobbies]

Haha yes he did indeed.

[@parafinbill]

Didn’t get a chance to say Hello unfortunately but was cool to see your army in person. My first ever Fantasy event (didn’t play back in the day), and I echo your thoughts on everyone being in great spirits, I had an amazing weekend. Managed to place 13th somehow despite losing almost all my games at my local club learning the rules 😂

[@MediocreHobbies]

HahahHa 13th was a very good result. Shame we didn’t get to chat. Next time pal.

[@johnbruce4004]

Glad you had a great time. Old World is definitely relaxed gaming compared to 40 or AoS.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Yeah it’s so much fun!

[@thunderccr5056]

Hi all, I haven’t played Warhammer Fantasy since the 6th edition, how is the new incarnation of the game? Is it similar or is it totally different? Thanks for any responses. Regards!

[@MediocreHobbies]

It’s similar enough that you’d pick it up very quickly, but some of the time consuming elements have been removed to make it easier and smoother to play. I have a few battle reports on the channel, maybe seeing it played would help answer some questions?

[@sweatilaa5325]

I know you like your old warhammer fantasy and want to complete sets of old minis. Thought I should mention that my local hobby store often trades in old warhammer fantasy models and resells them and some do look a bit rare. Since they do EU wide shipping I could link you the site if you want, their collection of random old warhammer minis is quite impressive.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Yes please.

[@sweatilaa5325]

@@MediocreHobbies Also, let me know if the comment went through or if it got caught in some comment filter :)

[@sweatilaa5325]

@@MediocreHobbies well it does seem like it got swallowed by some comment filter :/. But the store is called "Alphaspel" with a Swedish domain. go to "Figurspel," then "Age of Sigmar" and then "Fynd & Begagnat." There you click the faction you want. Condition is often either as seen in the picture or mint. But you're a smart man so you'll figure it out if you really want something :)

[@sweatilaa5325]

@@MediocreHobbies well the comment vanished again. Alphaspel, age of sigmar, fynd & begagnat.

[@MediocreHobbies]

@@sweatilaa5325 hmmm I don’t know why that’s happening.

[@bremer1701]

You brought shame to the Lady by not winning that tournament! Shame! No seriously making it to 11th place in a 60 player tournament is fantastic! Well done! That Grail Knight thing comes from older editions. 100% because back then Grail Knights were absolutely superb.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Grail knights are beastly and did a great job in the tournament

[@Ckapter]

Excellent run down!

[@MediocreHobbies]

Thanks man!

[@thegreatangel8251]

I really want to try and attend it next year!

[@MediocreHobbies]

There’s another one at end of august this year!

[@thegreatangel8251]

@@MediocreHobbies oh really? I am not sure if I can’t all my Bretonnia’s finished before then but I can try! Congratulations on your performance in the tournament and absolutely love your Bretonnian army!

[@dragonstoothgames]

5 attacks of killing blow / monster slayer gives you a 44.51% chance of instant deathing anything with a 5+ ward each time. 52.65% vs 6+ ward 59.81% vs no ward Pretty spicy.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Yup. It’s enough to make your opponent sweat.

[@MartyrDK]

Well done. Would love to see your friends Dwarf Army list. I have always struggled with my Dwarfs, so any help would be great. Thanks.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Im sure he will I’ll share it on his Instagram timshobby

[@davidm.corbin4643]

This one is very hard for the duke to deal with: Chaos Lord on Dragon, Ogre Blade and Enchaining Aura, 2 gifts of the gods, shield, mark of Nurgle, and pay-masters coin. You get strikes last vs 5 s7 AP-2 MWD3 Armor Bane 1. At WS7 so hitting you on 4s, wounding on 2s. It's rough

[@idiotproofdalek]

I can’t take that in Orcs and Goblins

[@davidm.corbin4643]

@@idiotproofdalek your best bet with works and goblins is a black orc War Boss on a chariot

[@CPTGravis]

You're not even including the dragon's attacks. So yes, that is basically the most tooled up model you can get right now. It is also, what, 617 points? And the Duke is 361-401 depending on if you want to get more than the Gilded Cuirass on him. If the Duke took the Sirienne's Locket, he is immune to multiple wounds, and getting through 5+/5+/5+ against 5 wounds requires about 40 attacks at 4+ to hit and 2+ to wound. Meanwhile the Duke needs to make about 18 attacks to get one killing blow wound through the 5+ ward on the Chaos Lord. That puts the Lord at 3.6 combats to kill the Duke and very interestingly also 3.6 combats exactly for the Duke to kill the Lord. This gives the edge to the Lord because of strikes last on the Duke. Obviously this is a dice game, so it can swing pretty easily one way or the other, but these are how the average stats math out. That is a huge gamble for the Chaos Lord at barely over a 50% chance to beat a model that is fewer than 2/3 the points, and even if you win, you were locked down for 2 full game rounds and now at best only have 2 more (assuming no combats on round 1) to kill another 200+ points to justify your own cost. *edit: I didn't include mark of Nurgle or armor bane 1 on the chaos lord because I was too lazy. Those both do change the math in favor of the Lord. I didn't recalculate the average combat results, but I was curious with the new numbers to calculate the chance of killing the other in the first round. The Duke has a 21% chance of killing the Lord in the first round of combat, and the Lord has a 0.6% chance of killing the Duke in the first round of combat.

[@MediocreHobbies]

This is insane math and I love it. Thank you for taking the time.

[@aero821]

Very funny that you created tour own dawi downfall! Great video Andy

[@MediocreHobbies]

Glad you enjoyed it! And yes, I’m an idiot 😂

[@GregStruminski]

Is there anywhere to see the armies that took part in that event? Like a army showcase?

[@MediocreHobbies]

Which armies? We’ll have the bretonnians, dwarves and high elves in battle reports on this channel, do you mean all of the armies that attended?

[@GregStruminski]

@@MediocreHobbies yes, all of the armies that were there.

[@MediocreHobbies]

@@GregStruminski they were in best coats pairings. Not sure if they stay up after the event.

[@connorwright26]

Do you have a battle report using the same list? Would love to see that in action. I have a dreadful time trying to keep pegasus knights alive before they can get the charge off 😂

[@MediocreHobbies]

I have one with questing knights swopped in but the Pegasus knights and duke are still in it, posted it last weekend!

[@wakankinyan]

Beastmen! Which unit performed best for them?

[@MediocreHobbies]

Hard to say. He had a beastly unit of for with two charges and a great banner and it was a pain to deal with.

[@superdupermatt1986]

Can we get a breakdown of what upgrades the Lord has that makes him so good?

[@MediocreHobbies]

Virtue of heroism And the 60pt armour for a 5+ regen Then it’s just. Shield Lance And royal peg

[@superdupermatt1986]

@@MediocreHobbies thank you! Love your videos!

[@glitteringpony5121]

Can you share your tournament list, please? Just curious what all you had and what was equipped.

[@MediocreHobbies]

It was shared on my Patreon.

[@JohnPC00]

It doesn't matter if you win or lose, only that you follow the Quest.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Dam straight.

[@blastvader]

I'm liking ToW a lot, but it gives me 5th ed mixed with WAB vibes. The latter I'm enjoying a lot, but the former I'm not 100% sold on. I loved good ol' Herohammer at the time, and still have a lot of nostalgia for it but as a committed 6th edition player I have to say that having (sometimes multiple) 'Lord level' characters kicking around in small points lists gives me the ick (as the kids say), given their propensity to just fucking wreck shit. But it's a tournament, and the point is to win I suppose.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Honestly I agree. I’d rather big armies fighting then crazy hero’s. But i needed somthing to fight dragons.

[@dbwarhammer]

How many Pegasus Knights and unit sizes should I use? How many do you own?

[@MediocreHobbies]

I go over the list in the video, there’s no “should” for what you play with, make sure your own list suits your style of play!

[@dbwarhammer]

@@MediocreHobbies ok thanks

[@bremer1701]

@@dbwarhammer You can play zero units or three. I think they are super overpowered right now. On May 5th i will try the following list: ++ Charaktere [898 Pkte.] ++ Duke [396 Pkte.] (Handwaffe, Lance (if appropriately mounted), Heavy armour, Schild, General, Royal Pegasus, Bedazzling Helm, Dawnstone, Virtue of Heroism) Baron [396 Pkte.] (Handwaffe, Lance (if appropriately mounted), Heavy armour, Schild, The Grail Vow, Hippogryph [Barding], Gromril Great Helm, Sirienne's Locket, Virtue of Knightly Temper) Damsel [106 Pkte.] (Handwaffe, Level 2 Wizard, Bretonnian Warhorse, Illusion) ++ Kerneinheiten [564 Pkte.] ++ 5 Mounted Knights of the Realm [141 Pkte.] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, First Knight (champion), Standard bearer, Musiker) 6 Mounted Knights of the Realm [165 Pkte.] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, First Knight (champion), Standard bearer, Musiker) 6 Mounted Knights of the Realm [158 Pkte.] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, First Knight (champion), Standard bearer) 10 Peasant Bowmen [50 Pkte.] (Hand weapons, Longbows, Unarmoured, Skirmishers) 10 Peasant Bowmen [50 Pkte.] (Hand weapons, Longbows, Unarmoured, Skirmishers) ++ Eliteeinheiten [537 Pkte.] ++ 3 Pegasus Knights [179 Pkte.] (Hand weapon, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, First Knight (champion), Standard bearer) 3 Pegasus Knights [179 Pkte.] (Hand weapon, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, First Knight (champion), Standard bearer) 3 Pegasus Knights [179 Pkte.] (Hand weapon, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, First Knight (champion), Standard bearer) --- Erstellt mit "Old World Builder" [old-world-builder.com]

[@Tulkash01]

Good job! And yes, the duke is an extremely powerful piece for its point cost!

[@MediocreHobbies]

Ye he is great.

[@wisdomfpv1499]

Would love to know your thoughts on the 1500pt format. Would you have rathered it been 2k?

[@MediocreHobbies]

I’m not sure! It obviously makes a big difference but part of the points range might have been to give people a chance to build up to that army when they announced the tournament? Or for timing reasons maybe. I’ve played some 2k games and it makes a lot of difference to the length of games so 1500 points was a lot easier for 5 games over 2 days 😄

[@SgtMaj22]

All hail the Old World KZbin algorithm gods...

[@MediocreHobbies]

Always appreciate it 🙌

[@sethran9447]

Just catching up - nice report! How much did Tim pay you to be nice?

[@MediocreHobbies]

Hahahaha a few rounds after the game for sure lol

[@templarwhiskey8167]

I play Bretonians and have faced other Bretonian armies with tooled up lords. Strangely I have killed a tooled up Bretonian Lord with 30 Men At Arms. He lost by sheer numbers and since I out numbered him more than 2 to 1 - his "fall back in good order" automatically became a flee. Of course I had a knight BSB with the war banner and virtue of empathy in the unit with a grail monk and men at arms champion. When combat was joined he issued a challenge - I accepted with a champion even after overkill I won combat res. His stubborn kicked in. My turn I charged and he challenged again so the grail monk accepted. And again I won by numbers and banners this time he fled and his flee roll was not kind. My men at arms caught and killed him.

[@MediocreHobbies]

How he let that coming happen I have no idea. Your men at arms did very well.

[@iam1591]

With the Duke build how do u feel about changing the 60pts Armour for the 40 helm and have a 2+ save re rolling 1’s instead of 5+ regen plus an extra 20 points

[@MediocreHobbies]

I’d rather the regen to be honest. You can take the helm as well I believe.

[@iam1591]

@@MediocreHobbies when I tried taking both, new recruit builder gave me a red exclamation mark. Even though I thought the Duke can take 100 pts of items

[@christophercassidy-schroed9169]

What's the load out for your general?

[@MediocreHobbies]

60pt armour of 5+ regen Virtue of heroism Shield Lance Royal peg

[@SacredGumby]

Pegasus knights have always been a problem, the lower the points value the more problematic they are.

[@MediocreHobbies]

I can see how people would struggle.

[@IENA1201]

hello, to see the list you played?

[@MediocreHobbies]

I shared it in the previous video.

[@crisisgear]

Royal Pogasus hehe.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Damn it you caught that 😄

[@shockerck4465]

What was your list? 2k?

[@MediocreHobbies]

1500 points for this tournament, I go through it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqu6opV9q7uaepI

[@shockerck4465]

​@@MediocreHobbiesok. Thank you!!

[@shockerck4465]

​@@MediocreHobbieswhat was the Dwarf list? Can you give the basics

[@Marlerc11]

Yeah the Duke and Royal Pegasus combo is just OP. His 360° line of sight being able to evade overruns, hiding amongst Cavalry units, his freaking stat line paired with killing blow and monster Slayer, 2+ save (reroll 1). Everyone talking about dragons, but there are many other overtuned things. Monster slayer/killing blow needs to be changed. Seems like a lame/ lazy rule.

[@MediocreHobbies]

3+ save

[@Marlerc11]

@@MediocreHobbies gromil helm

[@MediocreHobbies]

@@Marlerc11 hmmmmm good to know. How many points is that?

[@Marlerc11]

@@MediocreHobbies 40

[@vikingjarl6624]

Can Duke take more than one virtue?

[@MediocreHobbies]

Nope. Only 1.

[@GilthosDrakoniss]

👍👍

[@MediocreHobbies]

Cheers.

[@idiotproofdalek]

Sounds like you took an almost auto-win list? I wouldn’t play this game ‘competitively’ for love nor money.

[@MediocreHobbies]

Hmmm strange how i lost two of my games. Sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about.

[@idiotproofdalek]

@@MediocreHobbies by your own admission you only lost one of the games due to not realising you needed to sit on an objective. So you should have won that one. 4/5 wins qualifies as an ‘almost autowin’ list for me. And it’s no wonder you’re really enjoying the game, because you’re winning aren’t you? Nothing can kill your Duke, you outclass all the other armies because your stuff can fly, hence why I wouldn’t play this horrendously unbalanced game in a tournament. Lets face it, you won at the ‘buy the army’ stage of play. And you’re a bit rude to boot. I’ll pass on the subscription….

[@That_Rat_Bastrd]

Not including Renegade factions is so damn lame

[@MediocreHobbies]

I know it’s a disaster. Hope they get dragged in at some point soon

[@jamesjohnson-dx2so]

Boring af

[@elibarker201]

Don’t watch then?

[@MediocreHobbies]

Like your face.