Warning for Brits Travelling on Egyptian Dive Boats | SY News Ep416

[@fernandosuarezmella3302]

Thank you again for keeping reporting on the situation in Egypt! As survivor of the Carlton Queen, together with all my fellow divers on that boat, we are trying, since the accident, to increase the safety levels in this industry in Egypt. Your continuous reporting and support is very much appreciated!! Thanks!

[@JoeOvercoat]

Nothing will change as long as people patronize them.

[@doreendaykin6693]

@@JoeOvercoatAmen. Well & truly said.

[@avatardirect]

This is such a great channel. A lot of work goes into creating quality videos - selecting the content, research, scripts, editing etc. Plus his industry knowledge is invaluable. One thing I do to help support the channel is to watch the ads instead of "skipping". I encourage everyone to help support the channel by watching the ads (and clicking on the ad links).

[@clydem56]

Agree!!

[@nickthequick]

Add this to hot air ballooning as something not to do when in Egypt...

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

I was just thinking of that "plainly difficult" vid listening to that segment of this vid.

[@richardelliott8352]

one of the first things I was warned about by an american egyptologist who traveled often to the country was to beware of scams on travelers, and she gave me specific things to look out for. now I know to look out for wooden dive boats made to look like they were constructed with advanced materials and planned by marine architects .

[@mylifeisdope916]

The eyebrow raise got me. Hahaha

[@mm-yt8sf]

i was listening to the video....and his seeming words of praise of the italian sea group leadership shocked me and i looked up to see the eyebrows 😀

[@1ongava]

TISG just seems so dodgy!

[@delgadomd1]

Great job sir as always. Thanks for continuing to bring us great content. I sincerely hope you know how much we appreciate your updates on world and yachting news. You do make an impact. Thanks for sharing.

[@robertscranton8293]

You need to go to Egypt to understand the culture there. It's insane.. it really is. Safety is not a word that is applicable there...The current Egyptian culture.. clearly had Nothing to do with the construction of the Pyramids...AND NORD.. the best modern "Ghost" ship there is.

[@BackseatGamingJesus]

Yup, making money is the number one priority there, zero morals, especially towards foreigners.

[@fernandoPessoa8]

​@@BackseatGamingJesusWell, this money-making is simply an attribute of countries that live from tourism. And I very much doubt that we really have more morals in the west. We just hide our shady dealings a little better. But when it comes to profit, your morals are in a very small place

[@Syndr1]

Lives are cheap there,shame.

[@caroleminke6116]

It’s about fleecing foreigners

[@KevinT3141]

Is it floating right now? Yep. You pass, here's your certificate...

[@HandyMan657]

I thought one thing in common was they all look top heavy.

[@paulputnam2305]

Thanks for your very detailed and informative update. … the raised eyebrows were epic…

[@oilburner225]

I was in the British Merchant Navy from 1969 to 1999. Quite often we came across private yachts (Super Yachts was not a term used at the time), all with the odd exception were very well designed yachts with a nice funnel and sleek lines. They were a pleasure to see. Nowadays it's extremely rare to see such a yacht. Nearly all (in my opinion) are ugly, as time goes on they become even more ugly. During the latter days of my sea going days I was offered a senior position on one of these 'yachts', I flew out to the yacht in question. I took one look at the yacht and caught the next flight home, I didn't even board the vessel. Thankfully I'm now retired so all a distant memory.

[@dcarson]

That dry eyebrow raise, lol! Love it.

[@williamlloyd3769]

The UK Foreign Office travel advice for Egypt says: “Safety standards of Red Sea resort diving operators vary considerably. Very inexpensive operators may not provide adequate safety and insurance standards.”

[@UrbanXFiles]

It's CRAZY SCARY. I went to Egypt with my wife in 2004, I think, or around then anyway. We went to Sharm El-Sheikh as we have been to all places to do some diving as we'd done alot of cool sites. Egypt was 1 of the places on our list to do, we wanted to do the Pyramids an vally of the kings. We got a few days of diving in, then took a drive to Cairo for a couple of nights. Then come back to do more diving. I choose Egypt as I wanted to dive "The SS Thistlegorm" as it happens after Cairo I was ill with a deli belly. So bad that I was unable to go diving and didn't get to do the thistlegorm which at the time I was gutted, however it was a blessing in disguise as stuff went wrong with the comppany at the time of us supposed to be doing the dive. It saved us from something by cancelling the dive trip that day. We also had an issue with going out for a dive in a group as my wife's tank was faulty which we only found out while diving out in the blue. I don't know what it was that made me just check her SPG (she was my buddy aswel lol) it literally had a few breaths left in it when I checked the SPG. The guide come over to us as I'd signaled him. He said to ascend, as I was giving her my spare regulator and went to fill her BCD it was completely out and couldn't be filled up. I had to manually fill it for her, I took off her w8 belt so she could ascend easier. that was 1 of a few close calls on that dive trip. Didn't realise at the time as we was only 21 & naive to the world.

[@robertmay235]

...that quip about Sr. and Jr...made me laugh outloud.... :)

[@homburg_media]

Super Yacht of the Year is about the Yacht, not the owner.

[@Claire_16]

A guide on how to choose a safe live-aboard vessel, would be a really cool and helpful video. I was thinking about a live-aboard open water swim holiday, but I can't find much info on the vessel used.

[@charlesmoss8119]

For the UK MAIB to issue such a statement is a new one from what I have heard. In aviation this is now quite common where severe safety breaches lead to airlines or countries being effectively blacklisted - so this is a positive step by the MAIB.

[@mark-wr8co]

Did a number of snorkeling trips in Egypt three years ago, several near Marsa Alam. What surprised me was how many 50+ foot vessels were powered by a single screw, something I never see in Chicago. On one level. these underpowered vessels were just irritatingly slow; one trip took 2+ hours to travel 20 miles in relatively calm water. But I also imagine that these vessels would have a hard time fleeing from an oncoming storm; moreover, from my own experience captaining a 30 foot cruiser, having twin screws was much safer for maneuvering the ship when docking or in other "tight" navigating situations.

[@robertlevine2152]

Stability issues usually come into focus before sea trials. In the weeks before sea trials the Classification Societies require that an inclining test be done. The inclining tests are used to verify centers of buoyancy and gravity, righting arm, metacentric height. The tests are done to verify vessel stability. Having to remove a deck for stability reasons is an unthinkable error. One ship that would have benefitted from an inclining test was the Vasa, Sweden's flagship to be. In 1628 the Vasa capsized and sank about 1,300m (1400yds) into her maiden voyage in Stockholm's harbor

[@paullee6663]

I spent 10 years between 1996 and 2006 on Egyptian dive boat 'Liveaboards' without incident....that's at least 200 dives, probably more if I checked my dive logs. I'm pretty sure many UK divers had a similar experience back then.

[@csjrogerson2377]

The eyebrows are working well.

[@paullandreville5394]

Fine reporting eSysman. I'm delighted someone is sounding the alarm on some Red Sea diving ships. Always amazed at the rich folks and yacht issues. Good day sir.

[@smango64]

Happy Holidays 🎉 Kismet!!

[@mileshigh1321]

With all the money put out to buy these super yachts, you would think that engineering and stability testing would be a priority!

[@skip-intros]

They only LOOK like modern super yachts. They are wood framed bits of junk using old garmins for navigation FFS! Death traps

[@crustyclown8845]

It would be really interesting to know if the Italian Sea group has any sales since the accident and the immediate accusations and other aggressive actions by the company

[@seagypsybnb]

Awesome video!🖤💜

[@johngibson3837]

Nice update sysman

[@ah244895]

What do you think the cost of those "modifications" to REV cost?

[@barroosa]

Regarding the Bayesian, it keeps being mentioned that there was ballast added to the keel to offset the longer mast. What is not being mentioned is that the "keel" is a centerboard that is articulable. I wonder if the engineering on the changes was done while the centerboard was extended. If so it's righting effect while retracted would be considerably reduced and would change the righting moment and many of the angles that are discussed. Novice observation.

[@anthonybeaumont4780]

Yes, you are right, this boat was doomed to sink..😢

[@philhawley1219]

The lifting keel was mentioned as an important factor by eSysman in his very first report on this sad incident.

[@deerfootnz]

Very much a novice observation. The key issue with Bayesian and others like it is the very low down flooding angle. The change in righting moment due to the keel would not have materially changed the unfortunate outcome.

[@daniellarge9784]

The ballast in Bayesian is part lifting keel and part fixed in the hull. I can't remember the exact figures but its something like 200t in the hull and 70t in the lifting keel. The ballast added was to the fixed hull ballast. The lifting keel remained unchanged. I'm sure this info was in a previous esysman video.

[@deerfootnz]

@@daniellarge9784 The boat was knocked down by extreme local wind to somewhere close to 90⁰. Down flooding of the hull commenced when the boat reached something like 45⁰. Keel up/keel down/extra ballast etc would only make a few degrees difference. The water would still have poured in, and the boat would still have sunk.

[@cyberleaderandy1]

Went to the Red Sea twice around 2000 and had a great trip. The boat felt safe ( taxis not so) but totally agree people need to beware. Ballooning is definitely something we saw also but id never do there. Way too risky.

[@Phantom-mk4kp]

I commented on your first video it looked top heavy

[@seantwomey396]

The bottom line in Egypt is that the country has no real safety rules. You risk your life on a stay aboard.

[@hansmadlener4270]

Love your channel!

[@BlackheartCharlie]

1:10 "...sank, ran aground, or caught fire..." That's like saying that a huge number of drivers have "fatal crashes, fender benders, or drove off a cliff". That said, two of those three are inexcusable.

[@skiingfast1]

Slippery When Wet?

[@thankscraig8361]

Thanks so much World Peace

[@Hermod_Hermit]

Side note perhaps, but anyway. Been on a few different day trips in the Red Sea, and no more. Besides being out on a boat that is sub par, the diving (or in my case snorkeling) is better along the shoreline by the hotel, if you simply choose your hotel wisely.

[@dcallan812]

Great update.

[@Sean006]

Good luck getting insurance for a live-aboard Egyptian diving holiday!

[@calumshaw]

Hmmm! Confusing, yep!

[@alexandermartincausey7333]

9:01 "Hopefully he's got his head screwed on like his father" [pause] I see what you did there.

[@christianprobst8070]

LOL - Best episode ever so far!

[@danielleclare2938]

The Egyptian Diving Boat...

[@nickthequick]

Perhaps they should rename it to the Egyptian Diving Submarine ..

[@hb1338]

... where (in some cases) the boat does as much diving as the people living aboard.

[@finalascent]

Egyptian Die Boat...

[@swiftjetgroup5766]

9:04 🤣🤣🤣

[@eecarolinee]

The accident investigation findings ought to be interesting in all of these cases. Seems like the question is not "What went wrong"? but "How many things went wrong?" Time will tell.

[@Syndr1]

About Damn Time

[@KP-dx2kc]

Having dived in egypt i can say my experience is these boats look great from far and as you get closer/inside you realise it is an old and unsafe piece of rubbish with a paint job.

[@WOOD-BOOGER-lc4fl]

Go to Egypt they said....go diving they said.....get eaten by a Tiger Shark.....game over

[@marchuvfulz]

Kind of amazing so many ships are having stability issues. Have the boatyards forgotten how to build boats?

[@AndyM_323YYY]

I wonder what these dive yachts are insured for and how that compares to their cost to build.

[@johnk1529]

We need to shut down Egyptian dive boats until we find out just what the hell is going on.

[@JelMain]

Arab safety culture is a contradiction in terms, God willing.

[@JelMain]

No, just tell PADI to apply objective standards to Egypt. However fascinating the wildlife, unlimited risk is also a factor.

[@deerfootnz]

I think we all know exactly what is going on. The MAIB has even issued a report just to remove all doubt.

[@JelMain]

@@deerfootnz You have learned exactly nothing from the last time. Tourism is lifeblood to Egypt, and you can talk highfaluting theory about Cultural Heritage till the cows come home, but the reality is extracting as much dosh as possible from the punters at the lowest possible cost, and if some don't survive, such is the will of the Almighty. If Egypt isn't going to lift a finger to ensure basic human rights are applicable, this becomes piracy, no better than at the other end of the Red Sea. And it hasn't, as the evidence of the last decade shows. Well, if the bakhsheesh is all that matters, then isn't it time for the outside community to bell the cat? I certainly wouldn't hang around a community where the net objective is my destruction. In short, do something.

[@seakerman2020]

You should have a category for non sanctioned yachts.

[@felixcat9318]

Really Good News that the MAIB are making public their concerns over (the complete absence of) Safety in the Egyptian Dive Boat Holiday Industry! When the MAIB issue public statements, they're very much worth listening to because their business is Marine Safety and they've earned an unequalled worldwide reputation for excellence in their field.

[@nickcaraccilo14]

Superyacht of the year needs to keep politics out of it. Good on you for telling those emailers to chill out.

[@giovannagallottini]

The styling of Anna/Ambassador is a nightmare come true.

[@hb1338]

The number of radomes at the top of the vessel makes me wonder if it serves any purpose other than pleasure cruising.

[@trulsjensen]

Rev Ocean yacht kjell Inge Røkke Research boat and for rent The boat is Aker owner Kjell Inge Røkke's major project. He has said he will spend 4.2 billion kroner on the boat. After the the construction of the building REV is 195 meter long. Røkke will cover both the costs of construction and the operating costs for the first three years. A third of the year the boat will operate as a luxury yacht that is rented out. The rest of the time, researchers will live and work on the ship to find solutions to environmental and climate problems. The ship will have room for around 60 researchers. In addition, the boat will house a crew of around 30 people. He use/own the 71m/233`Yacht SKAT the last years until the new boat REV is completed.

[@acespark1]

Does the renamed super yacht Ambassador spoil its visitors with Ferrero Rocher mmmmmm

[@johncheresna]

As a former diver. If I had the money to do more, I would avoid the Red Sea like a plague.

[@tdowswe5912]

🎉

[@hb1338]

For information - the surname of the Italian Sea Group father and son is Costantino and not Constantino - two 'n' not three.

[@vincentchevallier9177]

Bad captains with no open sea experience..10 years in red sea as instructor. Boats were safe before most of us left egypt.Lately no maintenance,no training for the crew,most of them can't even swim...Safety briefings brings bad luck I was told many times by egyptian bosses..

[@The-Droll-and-LazyJoker]

If I ordered a brand new custom built boat, to my specifications, and it went out on sea trials and was found to be unstable and needed to have a deck removed. I would be very concerned about the entire sea worthiness of that boat, and therefore concerned about the naval architect that designed my boat. I would most likely terminate them from the project, do to my lack of confidence in them. Having designed an entire deck too many really ain't an "oops" kind of moment, that's a major... clusterfu*k

[@jacquesmertens3369]

Why does it take 50 years for civil servants to catch up with reality? These DIY boats have been around for decades. They were never safe, never will be. Best advice: don't travel to Egypt.

[@richardelliott8352]

Moses gave them a biblical curse, flies. As far as I could tell, it is still in play, with DDT in spray cans everywhere. I knew this because since most people there can't read, the cans just say DDT and have a cartoon of a fly spiraling down in death. that and the smell is something the TV travelogues never mention .

[@hb1338]

MAIB does not and cannot issue safety bulletins unless it has substantial and substantive evidence that there are *systemic* problems. Only when an abnormal number of losses have occurred is it in a position to say anything formal.

[@jacquesmertens3369]

@@hb1338 The whole country is a systemic problem in itself, and none of the so called 'diving vessels' have undergone any inspection. The very least the authorities could do is to inform the public about the lack of certification and lack of inspection. In other words, a warning that Egypt has no standards and everything is at your own risk.

[@lindadillon3061]

Great eyebrow raise

[@swiss.2916]

I seeing more travel bloggers warning against Egypt entirely.

[@pattieh5118]

I really like the design of Anna/ Ambassador The curve in the middle is very stylish

[@patrickchase5614]

Wow, Anna/Ambassador has what might most charitably be described as a "polarizing" appearance. Her lines are certainly not what I would choose. I'm sure she's very well executed in all non-appearance respects, though. Feadship makes good ships.

[@mm-yt8sf]

safety regulations just get in the way of good business.

[@richardelliott8352]

one of the american political parties feels the same way

[@JelMain]

Add to that lax safety of cylinder refills, medical support (decompression) and medvac. The last time this happened, there as serious diplomatic reaction from Egypt against tourism, extending to obstruction of access to the Suez Canal

[@richardelliott8352]

I don't think they sweat a few tourists more or less, there are plenty more where they come from.. they have been coming since the pyramids.

[@JelMain]

@@richardelliott8352 Thy did the last time radicals threatened the trade.

[@sicks6six]

If you can't work out that a boat made from plywood sheets, car body filler, and gel coat that is higher than it is long is dangerous, you shouldn't really be going out to sea.

[@matthewbaynham6286]

The MAIB needs to watch this channel. Also they need to change their name by removing the "A".

[@hb1338]

Erm, no. The remit of the organisation is limited to safety matters and accident investigations - general marine investigation are handled by other outfits.

[@seagirl1100]

I vote for the “Boardwalk” by Tillman Fertitta’s! Yacht.

[@JayAdams-ml5jf]

I sure don't speak for everyone, but myself, I don't care about which ship is better etc etc etc. I watch you channel for the news about humane interest parts involved in this part of humanity. I don't care about the glamour etc. What first drew me were your videos reporting about how the crew's lived and worked. Owners of these ships can choke, stop breathing, and not have heimlich performed on them as far as I'm concerned.

[@seagirl1100]

I smile when the word aluminum is spoken. ❤

[@Rocketmanhashtag9208]

@@6r4metroman you need a hug

[@caroleminke6116]

@@Rocketmanhashtag9208easily pacified

[@hb1338]

I smile when I see the word aluminium wilfully mis-spelled.

[@wesleyferguson6932]

It appears they are really not safe for people at all. Regardless of what country you are from you need to consider a different place for your diving adventures.

[@izzzzzz6]

Some of those new boats are ugly. I prefer the classic timeless sleek angles. I don"t suppose any of those owners care about their yachts going out of fashion, in a few years they will just buy another toy.

[@hb1338]

It would be interesting to know how much the specific tastes of the owner affect the resale value of the vessel.

[@gigharbourite]

They don't care about Human Casualties over there.

[@philgordon6671]

Simple don't go on an Egyptian Dive boats. Most are top heavy and constructed of wood

[@hallowach4218]

As if "the russians" are something inherently bad. That's rather a good projection canvas for some brits.

[@caroleminke6116]

I spent time in the USSR as a foreign Russian student & it still scares me… no concern for safety. Period. End of story.

[@hb1338]

It is well documented that the owner of _Nord_ (Alexei Mordashov) is someone with very close links to the highest levels of the Russian government. No-one would dispute that the Russian government (aka "the Russians") is a brutal and corrupt collection of people.

[@kiwi6444]

People are up the chit.

[@roderickcampbell2105]

Very fine vessels, but I am not crazy about the owners.

[@stigifberg]

You pronounced ’Vestnes’ well. Pronunciation of ‘Molde’ includes enunciating a short ‘e’, so “moːld(ə)”