WARNO is a terribly designed RTS

[@ArkayeCh]

"There's only one QA tester." Amazing, they put in the same amount of effort as big, great triple-A studios like Bethesda and EA.

[@Darek_B52]

You think they're hiring?

[@ArkayeCh]

@@Darek_B52 Impossible, they obviously spent all their budget for the best employees.

[@Cainthegodslayer]

Underrated comment.

[@darkmemes953]

@@ArkayeCh And they only hire French ppl lmao.

[@OrificeHorus]

Probably the same amount as Blizzard, too. Gotta get those hot workers.

[@jett_phil]

Coming back here after a year to say Warno is actually awesome now.

[@tyseng97]

Yeah it's kind of crazy seeing how rough it was, game slaps rn

[@royalhistorian5109]

Honestly as much as WARNO is good now, the fact that it was allowed to release in this state doesn't give a good first impression which sadly affects WARNO to this day.

[@jett_phil]

@@royalhistorian5109 it's early access. You get what you get with that.

[@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel]

​@@ArrigoSacchi87firstly, no it fucking doesn't, most steam games don't launch in such a clusterfuck they break a completely different game. Secondly, "that's the industry standard" is a really shit justification.

[@Zack_Wester]

@@ArrigoSacchi87 the thing is that what stage the EA game is in can be wildly. some EA games are like 50 usd (game barrly runs, there is next to no content(demos from 1999 had more gameplay), the game loops is broken, everything is ether completly broken or mostly broken and so on. game breaking bug every 5-10 min. meanwhile another EA game 30 usd. everything works sure 90% of the game is missing but the most of the game mechanics are there and working whit just few minor hickups. Graphic is "temporary" most player can´t really tell what it is that need fixing (just minor touchup). there bugs but they dont break the game every 5 min or so (mins the 20 game breaking ones that we had back in 1999).

[@illiaboiko7354]

The Soviet deck uses SD 2 voice lines. Sov units keep arguing about Tigers in the bushes and that their American radio always jams.

[@RimmyDownunder]

Seriously? Goddamn, I didn't notice.

[@Delta547]

БОРИС, ЛОЖИСЬ

[@arunadegroot8974]

They did mention those voice lines are just placeholders. They're recording new ones.

[@hanswurst-re7df]

yeah those are placeholders

[@Caesarfuckinplays]

They didn't even bother recording new german voices for SD2. They're still the same as in SDN44.

[@thelonelypilot]

You should do Halo Wars or Homeworld 1 and Homeworld Emergence. All great RTS games.

[@decagamin5901]

@spagh Its a great console RTS.

[@EC23331]

Don’t forget World In Conflict

[@Dovoline3]

@spagh it's shockingly slick for a console RTS. Also you get some really neat expansion on UNSC planetary capabilities from a fluff lore perspective. More importantly however, that gets you to Halo Wars 2, which gets you Atriox.

[@mechtechpotato4249]

Supreme commander Forged Alliance, with the mod Forged Alliance Forever.

[@markhirsch6301]

Are you a Mandalore fan? Because he just reviewed the game, and I also wanted Rimmy to play it

[@demicus]

14:55 Soon as Rimmy says that my mind went to: _"Welcome to the single-player campaign of Dawn of War: Dark Crusade. These tutorial windows will guide you through the first two turns of play and introduce key features..."_

[@flashgordonsthemesong2838]

For some reason the tutorial voice for the Dawn of War games is just really memorable. There was always something so welcoming about "Welcome to the single-player tutorial for Dawn of War" that just starkly contrasted everything else in the game.

[@mcknowlesey99]

I heard the voice as I read that. I feel the dow:dc tutorial voice overtaking me! It is a good pain!

[@steveisthecommissar4013]

That’s exactly what I thought too

[@The2flame]

there's been a worrying amount of game being put into early access when it shouldn't even be leaving the drawing board these day's, whether it's from greedy head of the company or pressure from the sponsor/advertiser/consumer... it's just sad man... so many good game to be made....

[@dougf1249]

All about milking gamers dry. Why finish a game when people will pay you for “early access” like your getting something special All early access is these days is a buzz word

[@gotanon8958]

Better early access than getting cyberpunked.

[@lookslikeEzio]

Keep in mind that eugen don't have a publisher. They've been historically pretty strapped for cash and this early access release is another way of funding for them. I'm okay with it, and since eugen have yet to dissapoint on the gameplay (I loved all their games, from Ruse to SD2), i'm good with putting my trust into them here.

[@dougf1249]

you both rare and part of the problem as a consumer. Multiple that trust but with less understanding as to why this funding price tag is there and you get most consumers. Look at Bungie and Destiny 1. I remember an Angry Joe rant about Destiny 1 that forever shows my point. He was cobra commander in the skit. Joe: “No they bought it on the name alone” Time and time again, with no guarantees, publishers put out garbage unfinished games but slap stickers like “early access” on it and try to syphon money out of us gamers. And even more of a tragedy is that it works. That’s why cookie cutter CoD games come out every year. Sure this developer may be different. They may actually finish this game and have it be worth $40 or more. And your faith may be in good placement. But industry shows otherwise. For me, a $40 (that’s 2/3 the price of a full game) is a huge red flag for what I saw.

[@lookslikeEzio]

@@dougf1249 think further than 1 meter for once, please. What good would it be for eugen if they left the game ultimately unfinished? Their reputation would be ruined and no one would ever buy from them again. They're not a big studio like dice that can afford to treat their customers like shit at every turn. Additionally, all the assets they already made for the game (including the maps, which look really freaking good), would effectively be wasted time. Additionally, releasing in early acces due to a lack of funding (and free beta testing lol), is far away from "milking gamers dry" as you claim. After all, when they ultimately finish the game, many players will already own the game, leading to a lower income in the long term. If the game had a plethora of pre-order and early access DLC, i'd absolutely agree with you. But as it stands, i believe early access is due to the lack of a publisher on eugens end as well as the desire for player input (and free bugtesting lol).

[@Hy93Ri0n]

Prettt sure Eugen lost the UI guys after the strike a few years back

[@RimmyDownunder]

Honestly not surprised if true. SD44 had a great UI, then SD2s UI was awful, like bland unity game level UI.

[@rollercoasterintogiantdomo]

@@lilbadwitch they lost one guy, FLX, who was a programmer, not UI

[@stephanhernandez897]

@@lilbadwitch FLX was a game designer, not a « coder ». And until you were working with us at some point, i’m curious how you can say it was one of the best. Or maybe another « alternative fact »…

[@russkijnemez5911]

@@stephanhernandez897 so why is this UI one of the worst I have seen in 20 years of active gaming (I am 33 right now)? What the fuck is this? If I had chosen some of the color on that backgrounds, my professor had not let me pass software usability, I am honest. Some of the numbers are hurting the eyes if I try to read them...

[@stephanhernandez897]

@@russkijnemez5911 it seem it doesn’t work, so we will fixe it. We are a very small team, but you will see we can fix a lot very fast.

[@derptomistic]

In Red Dragon I was down to one sector in full "Throw enough shit at them and maybe they'll die" mode. One of my SAM vehicles launched a missile at two MiGs that were flying very close and took both down in one shot. Unfortunately the flaming wrecks then proceeded to crash into my last command vehicle, losing me the game 10/10 would play again

[@PhoenixT70]

It actually makes sense for SAMs to have splash, because SAMs don't actually hit targets the way a shell hits a tank. Most good SAMs and AA missiles use proximity warheads, which explode midflight and tag the target with shrapnel.

[@avrath3956]

That's actually hilarious

[@Maverickf22flyer]

LOL!

[@OverG88]

@@PhoenixT70 That is absolutely correct. Their rant about SA/AA missiles having a splash damage is plain dumb. The radius of destruction is usually between 10-20 m for AA missiles and 20-50 m for SA missiles.

[@gabrielcamargo3010]

What brokes the deal for me is the lack of regional pricing, the game is hella overpriced in a lot of places. Like, I want to buy the game and make my own opinion, but that's quite hard to justify when in my country it cost more than a triple A game + indie game.

[@gustavosanches3454]

This. This shit costs 150 bucks were I live. That's the same price of actual good shit like Mass Effect LE, AOE IV, TW 3K, etc. God, even the sound design and graphics of this game is worse than Red Dragon's...

[@posapie]

I paid 25 usd for it in SE Asia.

[@hazzard5292]

Typed “So, Warno.” In Red Dragon game chat and instantly started a massive fight between 20 people about how terrible the game is with one guy trying to defend it.

[@DeltaTenNZ]

So tempted to do that myself whenever I get around to installing Red Dragon again. Just to see what kinda shitstorm occurs.

[@danielm.595]

@@DeltaTenNZ remember to write "Tactical Nuke, incoming!" Before you do that, to warn people of what is coming.

[@spare1518]

wargame chat is just something of its own

[@LightLeo111]

well that's surprising because most RD players hate it.

[@terminus.est.]

@@LightLeo111 Most RD players hate everything and everyone.

[@JamuelTalks]

So now my full question towards Eugen about this as their EA post mentions "we want the basic scope completed after 6 months". I read this as "Ok they want to complete and refine the core features and balance using User reaction (Like this entire video)". So they basically gave us a Prototype or Alpha build of the game. And told us they want us to help refine it to Beta. And made us pay for it. The key part is what comes after: "If players are satisfied, we will want to release WARNO after in full after 6-8 months." Is this 6-8 months in ADDITION to the 6 months previous? Or are they saying they want to take this game, finish its basics in 6 months then release 2 months after. I could accept and feel hopeful for the project if they plan on releasing the game in a full year from now. Is this a shitty move? Yeah it is. I'd recommend against the title right now as some aspects need radical redesign (UI Mainly). And the issue with damage settings being very very very placeholder right now. Basically every unit has 10 HP, and those IGLA units do 4 damage. Which is just ridiculous as the heaviest helicopter and the lightest helicopters have the same HP values. I think that AT unit with no AT is only in the armory as it isn't actually in the 79th Deck (Despite it saying it is) which continues my thoughts that this is a full on Alpha build. Hopefully this means that Eugen plans to work on this for a year in Early Access before it comes out, but TBH I kind of wish they just did what they did with Steel Divisions where we get a "Beta" for like a month before release for the testing period. So what is it Eugen? You gana release the game in a year or six months?

[@ryanmaris1917]

I hope they don't release this in even a year. Its clearly not ready is so many different ways and they probably need a year and a half to 2.

[@kptparker]

If this would been a free game for limited time for fans like Relic did with Company Of Heroes 3 (which was separated as of today to two turns, one for campaign and second for MP), I would have loved it, but instead they force people to pay FULL DAMN PRICE, for a PROTOTYPE that hardly is a ALPHA. This is just a disgrace... I woudnt been so surprised if it was a Paradox move but it aint! They sell it as they own thing! Im tired of this, selling games that are not even baked for full price. I expect this from indie dev who put they own game with promises to add rest "later", be it next week or decade. But not from supposed "elites" of Gaming FUCKING Industrie!

[@Saviliana]

I wish they just get back to RUSE instead.

[@TheTestyDuck]

@@Saviliana fr, I miss playing it

[@LightLeo111]

People just don't want to go through another Early Access process, which I can understand, but some of you are "shaking your fists" like this is being sold as a 60 dollar 1.0 release and the company tried to "pull a fast one on you". Like, Electronics Arts did with BF2042. You KNOW Warno isn't finished. If you don't want to to deal with a buggy, unfinished game, don't f n buy it. But don't grab your pitchforks and try to sabotage the game before its even finished. Imo, them doing EA for this is a good thing because it means that the community can help shape the game to exactly what they want. I knew the game would basically be functional enough to experiment with, but unbalanced and buggy. Also to those saying "well they're asking a lot for a buggy EA game", and to that I say, so do a lot of indie studios.... Like, Ground Branch for example was hardly playable up until very recently and they actually RAISED the price. While its still not even out of EA and won't be for a long time.

[@riserevelation8471]

In all my years of gaming, I've pre-ordered once and looking back on how bad pre-orders usually go for the consumer I got lucky with how well CK3 turned out.

[@userequaltoNull]

Same. Wanted my free DLC.

[@MrSleepy677]

I rarely preordered games.

[@SendarSlayer]

I've preordered more than I would like to admit, but I always do plenty of research and its either a product I'm passionate about (Willing to lose the money) or I trust it will be a good product. Doom Eternal was one I preordered, saw where 2016 went and wanted more of that, saw the early demos and did my research and decided there was no way I would be disappointed with the product.

[@LightLeo111]

lol, you'll end up getting Warno. Their other more recent games have been solid enough, but not quite what people wanted out of them in terms of some mechanics, but with Warno, the community get to have a say in how its built. It will be at least a solid game by the time its ready. Imo, Rimmy is a clown. Just looking for any reason to throw it under the bus. Acting like this is "Assault Squad 2: Cold War" again or something.

[@78Mrarth]

Ck3 is a shitshow to be fair. Waiting for DLCs

[@RimmyDownunder]

it's rare to have a game so bad it crashes the other games in the series so you can't even go play those instead :( I was honestly really hoping WARNO was gonna be amazing - or at least just the same as Red Dragon with SD2 mechanics, because that's all I really wanted out of Eugen, to update their older games with the new engine and AI improvements. Shame that we didn't get that. Could have had a really happy fun video of us actually enjoying an RTS instead.

[@bobtank6318]

Rimmy, if you want a good new Cold War RTS with better AI, may I recommend Reigments? It's a neat game made by a one person studio and being published by Microprose that is a cross between World in Conflict and Wargame, but also adds in some unique features of its own creation. The only downside is that due to the game being made by one guy there's no multiplayer. There is a playtest available right now on Steam where you can try out a Soviet campaign and it is completely free.

[@warhead_beast7661]

Have you played the Playtest of Regiments on Steam? It's free and way better than Warno while having really great functions

[@squashiejoshie200000]

So you know, the way real AA missiles work is they get close to the target, then detonate without impacting with a proximity fuse. It absolutely makes sense for them to deal AOE damage because that's how AA missiles actually function is entirely by putting explosives and fragments in an area.

[@RimmyDownunder]

@@squashiejoshie200000 Except that in reality how many aircraft are ever shot down by a single AA missile hitting both of them? Honestly I wonder if it's ever happened, it'd be cool to see. But realistically any aircraft actually flying into combat are spaced far enough apart that this won't happen, but the game is so scaled down helicopters fly nut to butt and thus are vulnerable to this.

[@MEGARAYMANable]

@@RimmyDownunder yeah it could happen, of course no heli squadron would ever be spaced that tightly like eugen has them. I’m in agreement with you that for qol. low tier aa missiles shouldn’t have splash, they can leave it in for higher tier aa like the patriot

[@chiken6559]

AA missiles do have splash damage(if you can call it that) though in real life. Only missiles that are intended to intercept ballistic missiles are using kinetic energy instead of fragmentation to intercept targets, like PAC-3 for example if i remember correctly. There is just no point in trying to strike target kinetically unless it requires total destruction - like a ballistic missile, that will land on its target anyway no matter what kind of damage it takes unless it's actually destroyed. Helicopters and airplanes, however, can be put out of commission with just fragmentation damage - there is no need to spend additional money on improving guidance systems to allow missile to reliably hit targets all the time - it's much easier to make it explode and send a cloud of shrapnel towards its target. So yes, one missile can take down two helicopters flying close together. The problem is that a stinger has only a contact fuse and a tiny ass warhead. Stinger couldn't do it, but missiles in general could.

[@OverG88]

S300 missile works like a shotgun. It will probably never hit you directly, but rather explode firing a shrapnel at you. Regarding taking down multiple targets with one missile, that actually even happened during Iraqi-Iranian war. There were like two occasions when Iranian F-14 Tomcats shot down multiple Iraqi planes firing a single AIM-54 Phoenix missile.

[@T0asty-]

This just looks like "We have Red Dragon at home".

[@lolman345_8]

Whomever developed the UI must have been subcontracted to like China or something, because the grammar errors are prolific, that and the UI just feels like it is shoehorned in hard. In the end, I expect modders to iron out much of the gameplay issues present once actual tools are released. The new weapons and effects are nice, but WGRD is just so superior in pretty much every other department currently its not even a contest.

[@ENDERSMAN123422]

Wait, so the fuck up just cannot be internal? No, must be third world programmers kek

[@samurai90x]

to be fair they are french.

[@scorpixel1866]

@samurai90x Just because our administration is hell-bent on making the Byzantines look like a smooth administrative ride doesn't mean that ALL we do has to be needlessly unintuitive and complica- I take that back, we'd ask for a permit and five papers to fuck with someone so that we can fuck with someone even more.

[@CroGamer002]

Eugen is a French studio and French are notoriously too arrogant to learn English, hence the studio's struggle to speak or write English fluently.

[@sgteddy1212]

We should never have to rely on modders to fix a game that is 40$....

[@theanglo-lithuanian1768]

Credit where it is due, they fixed the game a lot. They definitely watched this video.

[@jett_phil]

It is 1000% better than it used to be

[@mikhailfilitov1479]

Yeah this video was 100% accurate when it came out but aged VERY poorly. WARNO has come leaps and bounds, added a lot of content and refined a lot of core mechanics (while introducing new ones). TLDR if you were on the fence or turned off before, give it another look these days.

[@imperialistgondola3488]

Video is kinda dragging it, no where near as bad as it is being made out as. Like the end game ui doesn't really waste that much space and all the "Important info logged on a tiny screen" is available on the massive white board(yes its ugly but no you aren't being deprived of any info).

[@sampurtle2953]

Rimmy for the love of god come back to play this again. Its SO good now

[@stephanhernandez897]

Sadly, I don’t think he will ever do that….

[@compcpa5068]

Warno is incredible now, I highly recommend coming back to it

[@deezboyeed6764]

Cope

[@hefish]

@@deezboyeed6764 you're just seething because it's good and you aren't

[@deezboyeed6764]

@@hefish Sure buddy, whatever makes you feel like your game is good.

[@agentmillitaire4655]

Yeah honestly now the game is actually quite okay

[@vinnsterpj]

@@deezboyeed6764 the game is only the most popular rts out there right now. homeboy might be seething he cant afford it :D

[@Contentrist]

Im basically addicted to this game now. 2 years ago when this video was made, I still played Red Dragon. But now I have completely migrated to WARNO. May 23. is the launch day. And im gonna buy the "gold" edition. Yeah the game isn't perfect. Reverse speeds aren't modelled. But it offers something no other game offers rn. RTS 10v10s at an acceptable performance. Only Stormgate has the potential to beat that player number afaik. Yeah I played BA too. It was fun but it has its own problems, performance being one. But I will buy BA too. Because BA is imo a spiritual successor to World in Conflict. While WARNO is completely its own thing. There is nothing out there atm that can compare to the things Eugen can do with the Iriszoom engine. Yea I am a fanboy, deal with it. Currently Eugen has my money guaranteed.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Soviet Union: *collapses* Gorbachev: "It's alright, it is in early access"

[@sadmagicalsenpai3728]

Early Access games aren't bad. Real Early Access just has never been tried.

[@lmaolemau5737]

1 year later and i guess this video didnt age well

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

Look on the bright side: the game may be problematic, but at least it gives us endless amounts of entertainment in the form of gamers arguing about the effectiveness of the A-10, the cost of Soviet vehicles, and how the heck someone managed to confuse Kilometers per Hour with Meters per Second for the ground units.

[@AbleOneOne]

Don't forget about the GAYSEX PUTIN F35

[@turbowarrior9918]

Wait, THAT'S what happened?

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

@@turbowarrior9918 Almost certainly: everything is 3.6 times faster than their stats read, so the math comes out right.

[@GaldirEonai]

I should be shocked by this, but...

[@hornet8364]

I mean, the A10 is dogshit IRl, so...

[@yaboi4992]

Man, that one QA tester must be absolutely suffering 💀💀💀

[@frozenpeak2632]

Please come back and give this another shot. It has improved a lot.

[@zewolfocanada]

While I won't buy it now just because it's so unfinished, after what we've seen with Steel Division 2, and Wargame RD, Eugen's always been pretty good at listening to their player base and always try to follow through with their promises. I have hope that it'll look much better within a year, and considering the draught of good rts games we've had, I'll wait.

[@brafianblackfyre9220]

To be honest, the gameplay is good, so once they add more than 2 decks, it's going to be a good game. The videos main complaint was UI/ Balancing/content, which the devs specifically have said they will fix, and because of these three facts he acted like the entire thing is broken.

[@jizzinmypants191919]

@@brafianblackfyre9220 most popular youtubers like this guy are a total cancer. They try to have these clickbaity negative titles and complain because they’re otherwise bland and making negative complainy videos is the only way they can stay relevant/entertaining. Judging from this guys video history he is not even a real RTS player so it boggles my mind that people are mindless enough to base their decisions off some KZbin parasite

[@brafianblackfyre9220]

@@jizzinmypants191919 Facts, man, I'm glad men of culture still exist.

[@deezboyeed6764]

@@jizzinmypants191919 and people like you are why the game market is trash, letting companies shit on your face and being happy because they say it will get better. Also your elitism is painful, he plays pleanty of rts games and often talks about them. Besdes that is he not allowed an opinion? Only the 'elite rts gaymer' is allowed to critisize the product? The game is trash quality and theres nothing wrong with saying that.

[@Liroy323]

@@deezboyeed6764 I also like my reviews like I like my morning radio shows... Listening to these dudes is painful

[@Matvei22420]

AA missiles always had splash in Wargame - thats why everyone does the wide helirush instead of a blob

[@-Zevin-]

AA missiles have splash damage in real life... Like they are literally designed to proximity detonate with fragmentation and not impact. It does depend on the missiles and small MANPAD type missiles like stingers do impact, but many large radar based ground fired missiles do not and were not designed to. It was a dumb criticism clearly based on ignorance of actual modern systems.

[@Icechuck]

Do you think you might revisit WARNO? It's come a long way since this video.

[@Kevin-zk1ir]

probably not because the people who defended the game were actually right

[@stephanhernandez897]

@@Kevin-zk1iroh no, he will never do that…

[@lefroggy6233]

If they gave Red Dragon co-op campaigns, that's all I want. This looks like spruced up mold Also why are the explosions so massive compared to everything else on the map?

[@RimmyDownunder]

The VFX scaling is so weird in this game, and looks really poor when you zoom in and out. For aircraft it looks cool and stylised, but for ground units it's fucking painful.

[@lefroggy6233]

@@RimmyDownunder It looks as if the unit models should be seen from high out, but the UI and actual outlines of them are so poor. Should have made them glow like Airland Battle imo

[@Icechuck]

WARNO really is one of the few Early Access success stories. Really hope you revisit (this is my like 50th comment)

[@Blader445]

Eugen’s RTS formula when it comes to combat infuriates me as it seems certain units don’t behave like they should. But their recent marketing and games have been painful to watch or play.

[@MrSleepy677]

It seems that Wargame Red Dragon was a lighting a bottle.

[@ElpredatorGYRO]

What marketing ? Have you seen any ?

[@shadow7988]

Bruh Eugen can't even make a cold war RTS that doesn't play like a WW1 one, what do you expect lol. They're trash that's why even men of war, an extremely niche game, has more players online most of the time.

[@LuixWalkingDead21]

One thing i seethe while playing WGRD is that cluster bombs don't do shit against infantry and you can nuke a house but the infantry inside will be A okay

[@Halcyon156]

My biggest problem about SD:44 was that tanks don't stay pointed the fucking direction you point them in. It makes micro-ing armor pointless.

[@valtsur08]

Can you try it again when it released it has improved

[@itsotz]

The fact you managed to scrape together 16 minutes worth of video from that stream is impressive, pal. It was so broken you only got to play it for like 50 minutes.

[@brafianblackfyre9220]

How is it broken? The game doesn't crash, and the gameplay is good. Are the complaints all about balancing, content and UI? These are issues that the devs have said explicitly that they would fix, and they specifically said before the game launched that these were not finished and that they will add Britain France and west/ east Germany within a year . idk man, ik people are gonna call me a stan, but the core gameplay is good which is all this release was meant to prove. The reason bf2042 or Imperator rome failed was because the core gameplay was trash, no matter what content you would add wouldn't improve it for most people.

[@americantacos7618]

@@brafianblackfyre9220 Dont even try, just refund it and go back to red dragon like I did pal. (Unless your timer ran out which welp sucks to suck). Hopefully, it'll be good in a year or two.

[@itsotz]

@@brafianblackfyre9220 Real sorry that happened to you. Or congratulations. Whatever this says.

[@mada1241]

@@americantacos7618 lol, your not smart dude. try forming your own opinion 🐑🐏🐑

[@mada1241]

@@brafianblackfyre9220 yeah, I noticed that all of these complaints were superficial balancing issues. the game is actually pretty good, and since this video is already added much more content. clearly this guy is just looking for controversy views. plus, these videos get lots of comments

[@xqt6339]

2 years later and this is a beautiful case of ageing like fine milk

[@glaiydan]

The game isn't great at this moment. But holy shit if this video isn't a giant "I Hate WARNO!!!" Circlejerk

[@knmc_1]

rimmy casually seeting about splash damage on missiles while it was a thing since european escalation

[@crumpetcommandos779]

It's in a much better state, I think you should revisit it.

[@thomasheimer5574]

Their criticism of this game was justified but also super obnoxious. after 5 minutes a lot of shit they criticized made no sense or was just normal wargame mechanics. They got to the point where they were just leapfrogging over each other to be more outraged or look smarter, like the one guy refunding the game in the middle of the video.

[@crumpetcommandos779]

@@thomasheimer5574 they just seem overly hyper, it's annoying 😄

[@stephanhernandez897]

He will not… guess why…

[@fowler9203]

Here after 1.0, when the game has been released completely, things have been changed. The entire argument of "Game bad, early access, never going to change" got entirely shit on here. Give it a whirl again Rimmy, you'll come to eventually

[@jonhaverford]

I think this review is a bit over the top.

[@getbrutal4388]

Game just released. It's fucking amazing. 2 years in EA was handled extremely well compared to 90% of games. This video aged very, very, very bad. Not bad in the way that he's wrong about everything, but in the clear sassy vitriol in the tone.

[@AnthroTsuneon]

Apparently it's a very positive now. Did they make the game good?

[@crumpetcommandos779]

game is way better now, rimmy should revisit it

[@stephanhernandez897]

@@crumpetcommandos779sadly, he will not.

[@crumpetcommandos779]

@@stephanhernandez897 it sucks man, he's got this vid on his channel now which is one of the most viewed warno vids shitting all over it when the game was actually early access. Also keep up the good work ;)))

[@stephanhernandez897]

@@crumpetcommandos779 i can even see why…

[@crumpetcommandos779]

@@stephanhernandez897 me neither

[@reverendnon5959]

I think in current state, it's actually may be better, that even Red Dragon

[@miltonpirsos11]

Way too critical for a game that’s releasing new shit every month in my opinion

[@SPAD_Sudoku]

This video didn't age well

[@vinnsterpj]

common rimmy L

[@ThatoneComrade-444]

Wdym?

[@thethugpugz7904]

Isn’t wasn’t great back then tbh. It’s way better now besides maybe the UI. The army general is definitely one of the highlights.

[@thefiresworddragon927]

His points regarding the game when talking about general topics like Early Access are still valid regardless. And besides, there is no defending a company that decides releasing a game, early access or not, in a bad state and then improving it later, should become the norm. That's not fair on the customers, it's not fair on the developers, it's not fair on the publishers. Because if a franchise gets a reputation for being terrible on Early Access, bad on release, but good after a few months, then people will just not buy it in early access, won't buy it on release, and just wait till those first few months pass to get the actual full proper release game. I legit don't know if this is what Eugen does, I don't play War Game, but I have seen companies do this tactic where they weaponise intentionally releasing a game poorly and restrict the ability to get refunds by making sure the game is 'just' good enough that most won't do so because the game is good, and that "it's just in a poor state for now", effectively imprisoning them until they break their delusions. It's one thing to have one bad launch that becomes good later, it's a whole other thing to have that become the new trend going forward. People hate getting ripped off even if eventually the money spent is worth it, because either the company just won't care enough to keep the customer coming back because they now have their money, or they decide continuing to support an action like that is not worth their time and money. It's why despite Helldivers 2 fixing the balance of the weapons, I and many others refuse to come back, because it's not worth getting betrayed again when they literally just had to do anything but what they did. The correct path was obvious and they waited till now to do so; why should I care about their future projects if they can't even maintain the thing they were perfectly maintaining without issue before. Having a bad launch followed by improvement should never become the norm, and must remain the exception. It's the devs responsibility to make a functional game that follows up on its promises, and it's the publishers' responsibility to release the product in a functional way that sells the product well for all groups involved in the product's creation. It is not the responsibility of the customer to replace their jobs for us so that we become their unpaid beta testers.

[@pizzamovies23]

Wow it took two years! The entire time for full price. What a win for Eugen lmao

[@mikaelantonkurki]

This has been quite the odd duck of video to me. Stealth17, Razzman and VulcanHDgaming (all of whom are clearlly fans of eugen/focus style RTS to some decree or other) Praised this. Vulcan is already posting matches and Stealth17 has made a tutorial video. Even Rangroo who gave the most negative review i had seen up to this point simply said "wait and see how it turns out". Again i must echo the statements that have already been brought up. Voicelines, UI(Yes UI change might be difficult but not impossible as SD2 has shown and if you don't like it well other certainly do, Rangroo certainly does), and units and their balance can be changed. Also i you did not compare a low-end gunship with BASIC infantry but what is on the scale of the 3rd Armored an ELITE INFANTRY. Mech-Inf has the highes number of men, most machineguns and an AT missile, no other unit in the third has that level of firepower. And the infantry is still the cheaper option. You talked about Scale i think Normandy 44s is the smallest (At least in how many units per BG). The developers acknowledged the speed being a problem in their official discord server. I can see a way how the aircraft can work even in such a small maps. The Nations vs Divisions debate is really a subjective one. To me the Nation system of Wargame always did give you more options but at the cost of elegance and being too messy. Trying to parse the differnesses between units in a heat of batte and at a distance was very difficult. Also going for divisions was valiuable from a realism stand point. No not the kind of BUT MUH REALIZUM bull but the kind that actualy plays to the kind of Tom Clancy style realism and authenticity which has been the corner stone of these strategy games. Like you would never see LAV-25s APCs and AH-64 Apache helicopters in a same battlegroups because they were never part of the same branch. This has been mechanically and thematically a correct choice in my opinion. Also there is a picture here from the WARNO official discord server of a discussion between a player and developer: www.reddit.com/r/warno/comments/s8m06r/absolutely_loving_the_communication_thus_far/ If this is the communication then i'm cautiously optimistic that most of the things can be fixed. Also wheter this was EA or not is immaterial. The point is that from the get go before it was in EA the Developers were transparent that this game wouldn't be wargame and about what to expect from the game itself. The burden of you wanting a Wargame, of a game that has clearlly been stated that it wouldn't be that, is on you my friend. While you always do what you want as is your right, making a flame war video out of a just "released" game in public testing instead of a well thought out review that addresses the strenghts and weaknesses of the product in a calm and measured well thought out way would be a much better and fair way to go.

[@socialabsurdity6723]

hes gotta get the clicks somehow, even if it means unnecessarily damaging the credibility of an early access game

[@nathanvenable6734]

this video didn't age well

[@terminus.est.]

You can individually select units in control groups, but for some reason the option is off by default.

[@RimmyDownunder]

yeah that shit is wild to me. There's a lot of stuff hidden in the settings that should be on by default. Also (can't check now cause I refunded lmao) but we couldn't find the setting to turn on/off evac winchester.

[@terminus.est.]

@@RimmyDownunder Evac Winchester is on by default I think, but for some ground attack aircraft the AA missiles prevent the Winchester flag from firing. Yeah its buggy and obviously not complete, but that's what the paragraphs of text on the store page say anyway.

[@branraisin684]

I’m not going to lie it felt like most of the complaints were ui and balance related which I completely agree with but I’m not sure if that qualifies as fundamental design problems. Definitely feels like stupid balance decisions were made but I wouldn’t classify them fundamental problems

[@creesed9041]

i swear rimmy just doesn't like RTS games

[@MEGARAYMANable]

The early access simps refuse to understand the golden rule of products “You never get a 2nd first impression”

[@RimmyDownunder]

That is a crucial crucial thing so many people miss. I think it's even worse for indie games that do get better later - like that time when there was a rush of games similar to Rust but medieval. People jumped on them as the next big thing, huge roleplay servers were set up, but by the time the game had updated to where it was actually good and fun to play, all the players had already left and go onto to the next big thing. It's incredibly rare to get a Rust situation where players come BACK to the game.

[@Danganraptor]

@@RimmyDownunder I'd love for one to happen with Conan Exiles, but between the slow updates, those same updates not having much content to offer, and a lot of the cool stuff locked behind paywalls...

[@sheacorduroy5565]

Pretty much, yeah. Some people will definitely come back to give games a second chance, I know I did with Sonic 06, a game that’s still more functional than WARNO, btw, but it should be standard knowledge that a majority of people will decide whether they like a game after playing it one time.

[@Globalnet626]

Yeah except Project Zomboid did. It's not always true.

[@cnlbenmc]

It appears that now after the better part of 6 months development WARNO is becoming a better game.

[@leonodonoghueburke4276]

I'm a bit confused by the criticism here. Like he says that he likes a lot of the new features and mechanics and even agrees with his friend that with a lot of work it could be really good but that right now it has a lot of issues. But then in his description he goes on to say "WARNO is the furthest thing from a promising foundation" and then says it has "core design . . . issues", but doesn't really explain what those are. I just ended up being a bit confused

[@bigmikk63]

I’m starting to think you need to put an RTS together Rimmy. I know I’d pay for it in seconds.

[@sadaasdafa8635]

Maybe set in 'Back Again' :P

[@PhoenixT70]

@@sadaasdafa8635 I'm looking into buying a proper PC and I would play a Back Again RTS in a heartbeat. Yo, Rimmy, if you see this thread: A Back Again RTS would be beyond epic.

[@Quillar1]

How this aged badly warno is probably one of the best rts games ive ever played and I bought it on day one i now have 1800 hours on it its a 9/10 rn and will def be a 10/10 game on full release which is coming soon also on launch into early access it was still an insanely good game just had bugs which is expected for early access

[@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel]

"also on launch into early access it was still an insanely good game just had bugs which is expected for early access" So, you didn't watch the video then? Or did you watch it from 30 feet away while plastered? Because that's the only way I could see someone legitimately believing it "just had bugs". Like, that goes way past subjective opinion, that is just objectively wrong. Say what you will about the game now, or even on launch, but trying to say the *only* issues were the bugs is just pure cope. And even if you were completely correct, that wouldn't mean the video "aged badly". They even say towards the end that it could be great with a lot of work. Learn what a phrase means before you use it.

[@PvtMartin78]

If the splash from AA missiles amazes you then you're mind will be blown when you realize that they can miss and kill ground vehicles.

[@temerityxd8602]

Even more amazing is that they can miss so much that they kill the vehicle that launched them ( in Red Dragon at least ).

[@hydra7427]

"Release it first, fix it later" should qualify as fraud.

[@mkh123]

The release date is about a year away. What you are playing, is the early access version with all the features that were stated to be in the game.

[@hydra7427]

@@mkh123 You're not being given a magical ringside seat to watch the game get made piece by piece, you are paying for what used to be called a "demo" and you are out of your mind if you think anything is going to change outside of a few game breaking bugs.

[@mkh123]

@@hydra7427 I'm actually leaving the bug hunt and balance testing for others who want to play the game at this state. I just bought it for the discount and to support the devs. I'll join the game in 6 months or whenever the SD2 playerbase starts to dry up, when the game should be in a much better state.

[@hydra7427]

@@mkh123 Oh great, normalizing paying a company to do QA they should have done before release. What a fantastic habit we definitely want to encourage.

[@mkh123]

@@hydra7427 Well the release is about a year away. Paying for the game at this state is optional.

[@MasonForge]

I mean I have fun.

[@UncleFestus-]

Game is fun, this video is overwhelming annoying.

[@Predator20357]

The Early Access excuse goes away when you make people pay quite the price to play it, especially 40 dollars.

[@Tuulos]

Could be worse, they could have pulled Baldur's Gate 3 and published it in early access with most of the content missing and charge the full price and tell everyone that you can't negatively review it because it's in early access.

[@Predator20357]

@@Tuulos Yah....If your game isn’t worth 2/3rds of a Triple A game, then you shouldn’t be charging 2/3rds of one.

[@russkijnemez5911]

The price is to high,yes. The game is like an alpha but they want 40€ for it. And you have to have in mind that next month there will be releases for CK3 Royal Court, Elden Ring, TW Warhammer 3...

[@darrenb209-]

I wouldn't mind a full price early access if the early access was actually "early access to the game" rather than "early access to a tech demo placeholder that is at best an early alpha of a game."

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@Tuulos Has Baldur's Gate 3 even moved forward yet with anyone real updates or content or does it seem like it has just been abandoned.

[@samhalsey3594]

Game is so good now. Its so worth the money

[@kusajko3644]

No fucking way I'm paying for that piece of shit when Wargame is cheaper lmao

[@dazooej5785]

I mean the game is older so it would make sense that it would be cheaper

[@kusajko3644]

@@dazooej5785 that's not the point. The point is that it is cheaper while also being an objectively better RTS and being far better balanced thanks to Warno's recent identity crisis.

[@dazooej5785]

You mean like after years of work being put in the game during with 3 separate stand alone releases and being a 10 year old game, If it was still full price at release then I would be pretty disappointed.

[@kusajko3644]

@@dazooej5785 It costs more so it should have more content than a 10 year old game or have some large improvements. Warno has neither. It costs more than Red Dragon. All after nearly 2 years of bEtA.

[@Arrwmkr]

Can't take you seriously, I'm loving the game, it looks fantastic and is great fun! This criticism is overblown.

[@redguard5742]

looking through the comments on this video makes me feel really bad for the devs. There has been genuine improvements and the most popular video is (in my opinion) incredibly over critical. I think this games launch was ass but this video with no follow up content is driving off people. All they get to see from this video is basically viewing a shitty launch and nothing else. Just hoping he does a follow up in a few months.

[@urgeOFflesh]

Yeah, considering that he was bitching about the pettiest shit, this would be nice to see.

[@JohnEstenCooke398]

I think its pretty clear what happened here. It's no coincidence that Warno was announced a day after Broken Arrow released gameplay footage and got a lot of online hype. I think what happened is Eugen had been quietly working on Warno, with plans to release it for EA at a much later date, but panicked big time when they saw all the hype Broken Arrow got. Being made by former Eugen employees, I can see why Eugen would see BA as a threat. Anyways, I think Eugen tried to get ahead of BA by scrambling to release Warno much earlier than anticipated. I mean, we didn't get any of the previews, gameplay videos, deck build videos, etc, that SD2 got. BA seems to be following that sort of approach, gameplay vids, deck showcases, some dev blogs, etc. The heart and soul just doesn't seem to be in this game. We got no preview of WARNO. Just a "hey guys, Wargame 4 in a month!". I think the Eugen devs panicked and rushed out a broken, unfinished product here.

[@stephanhernandez897]

No. Of course not.

[@senselesssai6828]

Im not arguing for the early access model of releasing games, but I think people have gotten used open betas getting called early access by triple A devs. This is what early access actually is.

[@AbcdEf-lz6oe]

This should be updated or removed, or at least the title changed. The video implies this game is a fundamental failure on the scale of BF2042, where it can’t even be remedied. 7 months down the line, however, the state is much more different, and thus this video is at best misleading. Edit: 11 months down the line, and this video and its comments just ages poorer and poorer. Man, will I never watch this channel ever again.

[@zachcook484]

I completely agree I think people over hyped and are way too harsh on what the release vs how it is now. Definetly way better and so much more content.

[@yourmanjimbo]

I feel like not watching a channel ever again is a bit harsh for someone being hard on a game that was in a poor state when the video was made.

[@imperialistgondola3488]

@@yourmanjimbo You reach a certain level on YT where some people expect you to be a tad bit professional about how you approach things. Implying a game is a fundamental failure while making claims about certain mechanics being broken when proven otherwise is a pretty good reason to not watch a channel IMO.

[@yourmanjimbo]

@@imperialistgondola3488 If he said all of that today, then yes. But when Warno launched it was in a bad state. I’d love to see him take another crack at it today

[@rthe2006]

this video uhhhhhhhhh didnt age well

[@ritathomas4354]

Me at start: UI isn't going to be hard to redo and points can be changed with a single text line Me at end: nuke it from orbit

[@liquide01]

"core design, art style, focus; all of these things are absolutely judgeable" *proceeds to not talk about any of the above when criticising the game* This is a terribly made critique full of self-contradictions. Instead of following through on the initial promise of criticising the core design aspects of the game, the majority of it is spent on nitpicks and criticisms devoid of any actual substance ("it's just not good" without any clarification, etc). At the time the review was made, the game was in a rough state, but since then all of the things actually criticised in this video have been fixed save for the voice lines, which incidentally is one of the worst parts of this video - writing voice lines is absolutely not "zero effort", far from it. The video not only fails to demonstrate its first point (that the game is fundamentally flawed); in focusing on nitpicks it actively sets up it's second point (that the game is unlikely to be redeemed) to be disproven, which it since has. I hope you give Warno a second, fair chance. It's genuinely good, and in many ways better than Red Dragon.

[@seabird8147]

Given the quality of the video I hope he doesn't play any game again.

[@ronaldreagan3113]

Most of he saying is all opinion based the game quite fun but this is his opinion

[@historyman9436]

Anyone remember RUSE? I wish they would go back to that, that was a masterpiece of game imo. They story was a bit... iffy, however like it or not atleast it made somewhat sense, with a few historical inaccuracies here and there

[@d3rr1ese]

Imagine Red Dragon, now imagine you could get it for more money than Red Dragon and now imagine if it would be worse than Red Dragon

[@mobiusonerocks]

This review is outdated and should be taken with a teaspoon of salt. Rimmy do you still feel the same about this game after the updates it has had so far?

[@arunadegroot8974]

He shouldn't have made this video to begin with. He made this review a few days after launch while they very clearly stated it was in extreme early acces. I mean what do you genuinely expect from the game?

[@bowmen08]

Speaking of voice lines. Russian ones are reused from SD2. It was kind of bizarre hearing my BMP call itself a light tank and my T-80 complain that it heard there's Tigers roaming about or my Motorized Rifles leader chastise me that by saluting your officer you're making him a target for the Germans. Although I guess that last one just barely scrapes by as fitting, considering the game is set in the Fulda Gap. Edit: oh, someone else pointed it out.

[@christiangamingchannel6284]

to be fair, BMPs are essentially light tanks

[@Mister_Rat_]

Oh wauw look Rimmy his schizo post was... a schizo post and the game is good and about to be released

[@CaptainRhodor]

Rimmy losing his mind over the shared chat server is simultaneously the funniest and most concerning thing I've ever heard. You can actually hear his brain cells committing suicide and his sanity slipping through his fingers as he cackles...

[@thetrexgaming901]

I can tell you that I tried Regiments recently. Its pretty early access too, but its free, and I can see right now that game being better than this (Excluding the fact that its free, cuz I know it doesnt always mean better). I recommend you try that game even if it doesnt become a video, though there's only one campaign operation of like 3-4 hours.

[@chiken6559]

Regiments is still not the same. There isn't a substitution for wargame yet, until Broken Arrow comes out or WARNO gets fixed

[@RimmyDownunder]

Personally I'm not a massive fan of Regiments. I played the demo and wasn't hooked. I might give the campaign a go and see if it's improved, but it felt a little too, how to say it, generic? Like just driving units at each other and bashing them into the other side rather than really caring about positioning like Wargame and such. Keen on Broken Arrow though.

[@ElpredatorGYRO]

@@RimmyDownunder The new demo is far better than the previous one.

[@thetrexgaming901]

@@RimmyDownunder yeah, the playtest's improved , they also just updated recently with lots of changes, not completely new things but better mechanics and QoLs

[@adambell9188]

@@RimmyDownunder I am in the Operations Playtest and I think you should give it a second look. It's pretty damned good but no MP is a bit of a bummer.

[@soerena88]

I am baffled over this ranting sack of a “review”. Having an absolute blast playing warno. Tried going back to RD just for reference and I quickly realised I will never be playing RD again. The graphics, the look, the feel, the sound - it’s all so much better

[@Icechuck]

I actually really enjoyed WARNO. I might be in the minority, but I do think the game is really really fun, when eveything works. The big test is going to be when more divisions are added, because as it is you have the 2 most elite, small, and expensive divisions in the game slugging it out, which isn't indicative of how they'll perform when they're matched against other decks. Interesting to see your take though.

[@soni3608]

Key words being "when everything works"

[@Icechuck]

@@soni3608 I've had 2 crashes, every other match has been good fun.

[@alexwatt9759]

@@soni3608 I've not had any crashes personally, and no game breaking bugs. It's barebones and there are problems, but I've genuinely enjoyed every game so far, gameplay wise.

[@PhoenixT70]

"50% of the time it works every time."

[@okqt95]

@@PhoenixT70 not sure how having 2 crashes translates to 50% of the time dude, but you do you.

[@evulclown]

I do agree with your statements about early access games, as well as games companies being a bit lazy. Kind of feels like you're overreacting quite a lot, but I guess you liked the older game and I haven't played that... Having fun myself. People don't tend to like change, in particular with games a person was obsessed with. 🙅‍♀ Glad I didn't watch this review before buying, but also I got the game on sale so you're coming from a different place.

[@surrealsupercell7217]

Still a fairly fun game, and seems to run pretty smoothly. The UI is really weird and crappy though.. I really hope they improve that. Also the ATGM missile glow is extremely over-exagerated. Bottom line, let us hope Eugen does some serious impressive work and changes.

[@quox3987]

“If I had a nickel for every time a new RTS broke its predecessor I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice”

[@jainkans5794]

When the squad packs into an APC so they can speed away from an oncoming A-10.

[@VonMed]

Warno is good now imo, although it feels like soviet and french RNG is really good

[@UncleFestus-]

This isn't even a review, it's just a dude who seems like he is just fishing for ways to hate on the game. Really isn't as bad as this video makes it out to be. HOWEVER, I was very disappointed that operations/custom missions and the campaign were not included in the initial early access release. Other than that, been having a blast with the game so far.

[@soerena88]

Very much agree

[@officertastic9612]

Its way better now one year later, try it again

[@avus-kw2f213]

Yes he should do that i’ve recently got the game it’s very fun that said it is the only one In it’s genre which I own

[@dexterproductions8683]

Personally i believe in the benefit of Early Access games. I think they are a great way to steer the game into a great direction (if not *away* from the bad direction, at least), that's the entire POINT of Early Access! My only issue is, people just... don't see it that way anymore. No matter what side of the argument, it seems like people just treat early access as already a finished product (and by "finished" i don't just mean the technical state, but the finality of the design choices). Did Eugen do an oopsie by selling the game with the price of a finished one? Yes. Is this common practice for the company? *Yes* . Does that excuse them from doing that? No. But I, myself, with my low standards, had a blast. The game *does* have great potential, and i loved the entire vibe of it. And besides, in my opinion, the game is anything *BUT* "wargame + steel division". It's the new sibling to the Wargame and Steel division franchise, and if Eugen realizes that, i think this game will do great WITHOUT being in the shadow of it's older "brothers" (that's a big "IF", yeah).

[@bountifulauto8257]

With all the RTS games Rimmy has been playing recently, I suppose it’s only fitting we eventually get a shit one

[@keksisthebetrayed8494]

15:02 this man has obviously never witnessed the agony that is the From The Depths tutorials

[@randombrit4504]

*"Open the inventory, by pressing E"* 'please... i just want to see my family...' *"Left Click to Place Block."*

[@XMysticHerox]

Oh god it´s so bad. And it doesn´t even teach you anything useful.

[@RimmyDownunder]

I actually have. I own the game. I think I've opened it twice, looked at it, and then went "no, I don't want to kill myself today." and closed it.

[@dwal3486]

Just bought this on steam. Didn't realize it was even a wip. Been waiting for a more modern rts like this, also just got a new PC so I jumped on it. It's been a month since this video was posted. I've only played a couple games. But the way you're bashing this games mechanics is kinda dumb. It pretty well balanced atm. Fact is, you need infantry and most other units. But they've implemented it all very well in my opinion. If you had it your way it would likely be broken. I did stop the video at 2:54.

[@marksmithcollins]

Duh, actually it is good... uh...I like it... uh... because its good...uh.

[@tobiasleiminger5920]

Wargame: European Escalation had quite a good tutorial in the single player campaign.

[@jonesclantd]

Hyper Sperger review that screams 90% of the time about a UI that looks like a real life white board or the fact that they didn't dump tens of thousands into voice acting. Kay, thanks for the shit tier review

[@germansherman3839]

Lmao exactly

[@YTIsRanByFeds]

The bias is extremely strong in this

[@ronaldmahan8417]

Early access needs more critique then release as its still in the stage where stuff can be and is being fixed so saying "its EA dont be critical" is dumb because that is the point of early access to be critical of a non released product.

[@CM-ux9yh]

This is really disappointing, I was hoping that WARNO was going to be a distillation of what worked in both SD44/SD2 and WGRD. Ah, well. Real shame that the single best Cold War-themed RTS to date is World in Conflict, which is an absolutely incredible game…from 2007.

[@JacatackLP]

I actually wouldn’t listen to Rimmy on this one. He’s mostly just being pedantic over stuff that doesn’t actually affect gameplay. The game has minor balance issues but it’s really fun to play and I’ve had amazing matches.

[@copter2000]

@@JacatackLP *insert apache surviving aa missile here*

[@JacatackLP]

@@copter2000 have you never played Red Dragon?

[@OWNYOMAMA]

@@copter2000 They did in RD???

[@a10goesbrrt28]

@@JacatackLP those little things add up

[@andyjacobs7010]

8:40 On the topic of Splash damage for AA missiles/SAMs. SAMs generally have proximity fuses going back to WWII. Hit to Kill didn't exist until Patriot with PAC-3 missiles in the late '90s. I can't find it right now, I thought it was Nike-Ajax, but there's a good video of a missile coming down well off to the side of the test aircraft (F9F or something?). It detonates and the aircraft just combusts from the blast (and shrapnel). So yeah, aircraft flying close together can be taken out by one missile with many proximity detonated AA/SAMs.

[@gyroscope915]

Something I never understood about people that defend early access, is that the entire point of early access is to get a feel of what the game is going to be like. A rough idea of what to expect moving forward. If you ignore the problems because "Its early access" then what is the point of early access at all? Sure early access is a rough draft But its not going to be worlds apart from the finished product

[@chiken6559]

Yeah, early access is to get a feel for what game is going to be like. But the thing is - absolute majority of things shown in the video can be fixed. UI can be changed. Balance and prices can be changes. The way grouping works can also be changes. There isn't a single bad fundamental thing in this game that can not be fixed. It's not bad in terms of design, come on, design is literally improved version of Wargame. All the other things are not related to design - they're just how that design was implemented, and that can easily be changes. You shouldn't completely lose all hope for the game if early access it bad, give it a chance to improve.

[@RimmyDownunder]

There's much that's worse in terms of design, it's not just Wargame. The focus being much smaller in terms of number of units, maps and divisional limitations rather than country limitations. The game feels like the maps are way too small and the units are way too big and too fast. Especially for death row and two ways. The visual effects are far too heavy for the ground though they look cool for the air. The actual effect of most weapons for their visuals is completely out of whack as well - artillery is near useless but looks like its devastating. The UI needs a total redesign. It's easy to say that all of this CAN be done - it can, just like they could totally overhaul the entire game like say Rust did. But they won't. I don't know why you'd put any trust in the team that designed the SD2 UI (a godawful UI) and then designed the awful WARNO one to suddenly get really good at designing UIs - and not to mention to implement not only the UI, but the campaigns, the editors, all the extra divisions, game modes and maps in just 6 months. It's an insane time frame they've set.

[@Annihilator_tank]

2 years have passed and warno is one of the best out there

[@CaptainSully101]

9:45, avid red dragon gamer, can confirm aa splash

[@RogerValor]

They cannot upgrade Wargame. Nor can they legally make a successor. That is the point of WARNO. The point is to restart development, and add new stuff to a new engine. You were quite critical about a lot of things, however, I do not see any of them as problems, that cannot be tweaked down the line. Game speed, unit stats, UI efficiency, bugs, whatnot can all be improved over time. But Physics and Graphics, Networking, handling the amount of units or effects, and very core game rules and abilities, these things have to be ironed out early on. I think the danger of early access is not to say "they will just stop developing it", but more how mature the critics are on it. If a developer is dedicated to a title, they will improve a good base, and they already showed us with Wargame Red Dragon, that even as a small studio who lost the full rights over their own game, they tried to meet player demands.

[@Trigger0x10c]

Having Solo Wing Pixy on the top of the leaderboard is definitely the highlight of this game

[@Scorch0017]

What's so special about that Solo Wing Pixy?

[@Trigger0x10c]

@@Scorch0017 Ace Combat Zero reference

[@Scorch0017]

@@Trigger0x10c I know about the character, just thought may be it was some known player in Wargame community or something.

[@lastword8783]

Im happy to say this video is starting to age terribly and the game has improved a lot.