WARTS AND ALL - IS THE TAVELO AROW RIDEABLE? FULL BUILD

[@LeeLee-fi7mx]

Thanks for not being a "shill" and actually pointing out QC problems and issues.

[@urouroniwa]

People sometimes compare motor bikes to bicycles. To me a big difference is that a motor bike is built completely on a production line. These days everybody is doing kanban (or some kind of variety of it) and at every station they've got the "good bin" and the "bad bin". Parts that pass go into the good bin to be sent to the next station. Parts that fail go into the bad bin. You build it up all along the line and by no miracle at all, you get a high quality working vehicle at the end. A bicycle is almost never built in the factory. It's 3000 km away before anyone is trying to install the BB or the seat post. It's extremely difficult and enormously expensive to do QC at that endpoint. The factory never sees the problems because they are never faced with them. They may have measurements and tolerances, but unless they see the "bad bin" filling up with parts, it doesn't become obvious that there is a real problem. In the case of poor facing, undersized holes, etc the bike shop (that basically acts as an integrator) fixes those problems at an extremely high cost. I think this is where you see that friction with other KZbinrs. The bike shop that does this day in and day out sees no problem because that is literally what they are paid to do. It is their job to fix those integration issues. The person who is hiring a mechainc/bike shop/integrator to do the final build also doesn't see a problem because they have paid someone to do that job. As long as the job can be done, what is the problem? However, if you contrast that to the motor bike it gets interesting. Imagine the motorcycle shop having to grind down the engine mount because it is out of tolerance. Or having to modify the seat because it can't be attached. That never happens because the motorcycle is shipped fully built. It could never leave the factory in that condition. The problem would be quickly identified and fixed on the production line because otherwise you have a whole bunch of motocycles that you can't sell (or need to strip down and send through the production line again). The cost of those defects to a factory are huge and so the problems are fixed quickly (or at least they have been since the 80's when Toyota ate everybody's lunch). I think that while we still rely on bike shops as being the final integrator of a bicycle, we'll be plagued with quality issues. Nobody has incentive to fix it. Even if Mapdec tells us that Look's frames have great quality, we don't see consumers rushing out to buy them -- because they simply don't care. As long as the final integrator deals with the issue (expensively), the consumer doesn't understand the advantage. I think it's going to take a bicycle Toyota to come and eat everybody's lunch before we see real change.

[@TheCharnwoodCyclist]

If Toyota made a bike it would never go wrong! I would buy one for sure.

[@hippo71124]

Love the thinking here. Problem with ‘bike shops taking care of those defects’ though, is that we have to assume (or figure out which) bike shops are indeed always taking care of those things. There are plenty of good, reputable places. But I’m sure most if not all cyclists have had bad experiences. And if those small issues develop into big ones, I’ve encountered places where the responsibility just gets pushed from one party to another, unfortunately.

[@Paksusuoli95]

Is Canyon not the "bicycle toyota"?

[@alfonsokhiew2872]

@@Paksusuoli95i think its Giant

[@PeakTorque]

No f3cking way. They have so many warranty issues.

[@paulstuart9465]

We appreciate your integrity and engineering knowledge. That's why we watch and learn. It's people's apathy that creates the situation where mediocre manufacturing is so readily accepted as "normal". It proves how buying a carbon frameset from China caries s risk. I bought a winspace t1500 which had zero issues. But you cant rely on it. Anyone without a little know-how should think twice.

[@nctrns]

The bit at the end about comfort, looks and support - that's why 3 weeks ago I just got a giant defy advanced. It's comfortable, looks good to me and I bought it from my LBS. I'm not a mechanic, not a handyman, and I know my LBS or one of the numerous other shops in my city will help me in any case.

[@PeakTorque]

re-upload due to copyright issue

[@liam_c27]

Jesse flagged it 😂

[@blabot]

I got 3/4 through yesterday and got cut off 😂

[@phillevin6651]

Love my lightCarbon

[@gladand]

Was watching your video while falling asleep and turned off my tv halfway through. Then i woke up 20 minutes early to watch the rest of the video before going to school just to find out it was gone.

[@grumpytex1970]

I thought I had gone mad when it disappeared and the sooky Aussies had complained! 😂😂😂

[@hinrichaue7199]

love the chain length method "small - small - no clack" I always did it that way. Then I discovered you can calculate it, never really figured it out. Glad I am not the only one...

[@WayneCouyon]

And here I am with a Time ADH21 rim brake which I bought for 1500 euro with Ultegra on it and some decent aluminum wheels, and though it's not aero or particularly light (7,5ish), everything just, well, works and fits on it.

[@AlexeyDyachenko]

18:50 thanks for the tip, always struggled with plugs popping up

[@PeerensClement]

I was thinking to build up my own frame, but you've convinced me otherwise. I don't want those headaches. I guess I'll have the shops deal with it.

[@markellis2538]

Regarding the noise apparently caused by the Shimano chain and Cybrei chainrings not getting along, the 12 speed Shimano chains have a proprietary extended inner plate that's designed to work with Shimano's newer rings. If you'd like to avoid Shimano's (or SRAM's) walled garden, try a YBN or KMC chain.

[@PeakTorque]

@@markellis2538 good info

[@stevenaaus]

Frame looks like it was painted by Hambini's hairdresser. Appreciate your channel, cheers.

[@PeakTorque]

Could be

[@huggcycles1545]

Great rundown, and finally, someone riding 32mm tyres! I was ripped 3 years ago for riding that width, now I can dust them off and look normal 😂

[@theillegalimmigrant9314]

This looks to be a troublesome build for something that is not cheap. Were you with Hambini when he bought the Lightcarbon from Eurobike? That looks to be much better made?! What do you think of that? EDIT: I watched this video and the Hambini Video back to back; it's difficult to believe the Tavelo is double the price; the Light carbon seems much better value and overall a better bike frame, although I don't know how much that had to do with Hambini specifying the QA criteria.

[@PeakTorque]

@@theillegalimmigrant9314 no i couldn’t make it this year. I was wintering in Guildford

[@gregbyrne7725]

Next colab video is Blue Flower blanket vs Pink Princess blanket. Enjoying the whole Travelo build experience but from a polite distance. Cheers PT.

[@thefollandgnat]

At 0:42, that little bridge is one of my favourite stopping places during rides from Kendal, a lovely spot, particularly if you turn round, lean back against the limestone and gaze north to the fells. I worry about that tiny canal, mind, looks highly algaefied and those flooded fields, sprayed with slurry, drain freely into it. Forming the end effectively of the Lyth valley, it's as flat as you can get in a bumpy area and I unimaginatively call it New Holland. Charming spot.

[@PeakTorque]

The irony is there are 2 wastewater treatment plants within eyesight of this spot!

[@cup_and_cone]

Average labor rate in the states is $100/hour and most good shops are backlogged with work. Brands are happy to push it down on the consumer and the shops are happy spend extra time faffing around because the consumer pays for it at the end of the day.

[@PeakTorque]

@@cup_and_cone exactly what i said in the video 🫡

[@geoffreymccann2841]

You are 100% in what you're saying about the customer shouldn't have to put up with those things . The reality is the big brands actually cost per frame would only be marginally more than the Chinese frames especially when most are being produced in China or similar . But your paying 3 and 4 times the price the main streams brands should be absolutely spotless. It's refreshing to hear just common sense views as well without the BS .

[@batbawls]

18:11 this is a gem of a tip

[@rolandcolavizza5368]

Keep doing what you doing , don`t hold back ,

[@Kittyjesus503]

A dab of silicone or hot glue to hold that from mech cable out of the way. I’m on 35 gp5000’s with same internals on my super six evo.

[@TheWoogeroo]

@PeakTorque you settled on 170mm or 165mm cranks yet?

[@op4l4]

Nice shot of the col du Granon around 2:30, my first ever proper alpine climb!

[@PeakTorque]

Taken from the Galibier

[@blabot]

What about swapping the seat posts in between the two frames? Maybe it’s the seat posts that are the problem and not the frames.

[@domenicospano778]

what brand/make are those brake disks? never seen them before

[@saracen888]

Mate, chain slaps on 12spd Shimano are so commonplace it’s crazy. Barely had any issues on 11spd

[@AnarchoKapital]

What is the brand and model of the crankset please?

[@PatrickLino]

Never thought to install my threaded T47 BB the way you did. Kudos kind sir.

[@PeakTorque]

@@PatrickLino what other way do you do it?

[@PatrickLino]

@@PeakTorque On the mechanic stand like a real muppet.

[@PeakTorque]

@@PatrickLino Haha with it swinging around like a donkeys d1ck :)

[@damodamo7219]

@ChrisMillerCycling were caught out glossing over significant issues with this frame. And when caught out squealed like the precious petals they are

[@drscre]

Threaded pressfit bb come on purpose with one side undersized (the one which you'll be rotating). I think, wheels mfg even mentions it in the installation manual - i.e. it's ok if one side feels loose and can be pushed in by hand. That's kind of makes sense - you don't want to "drill" your frame by rotating the cup, but is no longer a true press fit

[@michaelcheng6469]

I have seen videos where people place a piece of cling film over the BB then use the tool to minimise scratching the frame

[@DnDMF]

PT is there a bolt on a bike that you would avoid being stainless?

[@CyclespeedTours]

Why not titanium caliper bolts?!

[@becoombs]

PT, what is the bar you are using at 17:51? I’m another tall rider. Love your work and the channel!

[@danemery8312]

2nd this

[@PeakTorque]

Hopefully on my website soon!!

[@HBSheffield]

Cespool engineering

[@johnnyboy4711]

expensive for a hell of a lot of faffing! price on disc rotors?

[@pierrex3226]

I think you nailed it.

[@pinkyfull]

15:45 I've built a light carbon, they have the same design with their battery mounting system. Annoyingly the rubber bungs were actually oversized for the previous gen of DI2, so i cut it down with a knife to make it fit. So far, no issues, the friction fight if TIGHT so there is no rattling and I've hit a few decent bumps and nothing has come off so far. 19:10 seems pretty standard on these type bars. Mine internal cable routing was a fucking nightmare, took 2 hours. On the left hand side i literally jammed a 90 degree scribe into the sealed cable end to be able to turn it around. On the other side i used a cable tie to coax it around. Suffice it to say this style of internal routing is a right bitch and borderline unusable.

[@man314sea9]

what's the disc rotor?

[@adammillsindustries.]

I’m looking for some cheap Chinese wheels that are not bad. Any recommendations? Looked at lun Hyper and elite wheels.

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

My comment on the last vid is gone, but I asked about the ICAN A9. I received a really nice and helpful comment from a fellow fan, but I was not able to respond before the vid got pulled. I just wanted to thank that other person! Good community over here!

[@PeakTorque]

No experience of Ican frames. Only wheels. And they were very good for the price.

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

@@PeakTorque There's very little information out there, but it does have UCI approval so at least it has minimum safety. Hambini had a positive review of their A22 so that's something..

[@bluemovies3397]

aw thanks! I'm glad it was helpful! I'll repost the text here: "As a rando in the youtube comments, take everything I say with a grain of salt: My ICAN Flyee frameset came with a stripped front thru axle and fork threads and nothing was faced so I'm a little iffy on their QC. But to their credit, the wheels I got from them looked pretty immaculate. Roundness, truing and dishing were all less than .5mm off. My personal feeling is that, as long as you have access to some good shop tools and know-how, you can buy a frameset from almost anywhere and make it work, just buy it with a credit card to make sure you can get refunded if there is something seriously out of wack. My credit card ended up refunding me for the garbage frameset Ribble sent me because they were too incompetent to do anything to fix it. I see the A9 has a pretty high bb (bb drop is 66mm across all sizes) which will raise your whole body position and force you to either have more spacers on the steerer or ride with a lot of saddle-to-bar drop. It'll raise your center of gravity but reduce the chance of pedal strikes. I've noticed modern framesets are moving more towards lower bbs (like 72-75mm) and shorter cranks which help compensate for the increased pedal striking risk."

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

@@bluemovies3397 glad you got to see this. As for BB drop, my current ride, a Cannondale synapse, actually has very similar geometry except for an additional 4cm of stack. A recent bike fit has my stem slammed with a "certified slammed" top cap and I could still go lower (I even installed lower profile headset bearings because it took another 5mm off. But all these tiny details are why I love the cycling community.

[@bluemovies3397]

@@askmeaboutmattweiner I love being a geometry nerd and to going way more into the weeds than is really necessary. The other curve ball about bb height is that riding with shorter cranks means you have to raise your saddle height so if you have a high bb and short cranks you're going to be really high up and if you have a low bb and long cranks you're going to be super low, but also super high risk of pedal strikes. Almost all my bikes have 170mm cranks and a saddle height of 700mm but my race bike has 165 cranks and a saddle height of 705mm to compensate (I laughed at the point in the video where PT mentions his 84cm saddle height. Daddy Long Legs over here XD). If you're comfortable riding with a lot of saddle to bar drop, maybe the A9 would be good for you, but also maybe don't run it with super short cranks if you want to avoid a higher center of gravity. And if you're just looking for a fun, fast bike and not worried about peak, race-esque performance where you are really pushing the bike to it's limits, you probably don't need to worry about all this as much either :) I do like that ICAN runs a little cheaper than some of the other well known Chinese brands like your Tavelos, Yoeleos and Winspaces. Another small note: if you want shorter cranks because they help you avoid knee pain, then maybe a bike with a higher bb is not the way to go.

[@dylanl9532]

there are no 12 speed 11-40 cassette right now. The biggest is 105 11-36 cassette. The best option for wider range for shimano 12 speed is 52-34 chainring and 11-36 cassette.

[@PeakTorque]

Shit. Thanks for the that, I didn’t know that! Back to 11 speed for the fred whitton then. I also just remembered anything 12sp mtb will be micro spline. Noooo!

[@JonHar-Ewen]

That's my main reason for avoiding 12 speed. The only option with to go smaller with Shimano 12s is a grx crankset (I think you can get 48-31), but the ultegra or 105 FD might not shift properly without an adaptor to lower it. On a different note, any chance I could get one of your adaptors to allow internal cables to be routed externally instead of through the stem, please?

[@treyquattro]

10:51 "Goody gum drops". Get us a cup o' tea will you, Errol

[@jonathanal-saadi6355]

Great review! Nice to see you build it up. Good insights. Does the expander plug stay in the fork when you remove the handlebars?

[@PeakTorque]

Yes it does

[@jonathanal-saadi6355]

@@PeakTorque Thanks for the reply! Honestly, take pride in your work. I found that your review and Jesse’s complementes each other perfectly. You talked about the engineering aspects of things and he talked more about the ride of the bike.

[@Dustydayzz]

@PT If I remember correctly, you have one leg shorter than the other. I was wondering how you deal with that as far as cranks and bike fit.

[@PeakTorque]

@@Dustydayzz i just lower the seat for the shorter leg. Not helped by a bit of scoliosis. For the longer leg i run the cleat further back to lengthen the leg so the knee angle remains similar to the other one. I used to use a cleat spacer on the shorter side but hated it.

[@Dustydayzz]

@PeakTorque I have the same situation.i had a bike fit. Now i run two different length cranks ( costs more) coz just like u I hate the cleat spacers . While the cranks solved that I do drop one heel so the knee angle might remain as it was with a shorter leg 😠 😡 . I do try to consciously toe down though. Have a good one fam

[@kubagajda7347]

I was just wondering what's your take on this type of BBs. They're quite popular lately but what I've always thought is that they give up the interference with the frame in order do spin and screw in, thus rely more on sideways compression, and the frames are not designed with that in mind? A mechanic friend of mine fits them as a wonder solution and a few times already either they've spun inside the BB due to the counter-rotational forces from the crank (and wrecked the frame) or the flages broke off and the whole thing went to hell.

[@ovi-kernkraft400]

I would be tempted to hold some 240 grit emery paper on the seat post and rub the seat post clamp up and down it to clean up the mating of it, might make it a fanny hair to slack for your liking though, another brilliant video 👍

[@TheCharnwoodCyclist]

Enjoyed that PT 👍 Hambini made an adaptor for his Look due to having a steerer that had been cut too short, would that be a possible solution to the height issue on the Tavelo?

[@SuperDodoe]

all the other online shills saying your review was tongue and cheek to cover for their fealty ...hahahaha. Thanks for your honesty

[@discbrakefan]

Oh man there’s no help for you 😂

[@igorpiasecki7909]

24:30 About that...Does Shimano even have a 12 speed cassette bigger than 11-36 but smaller than 10-45? Because the 11-40 and 11-42 I'm pretty sure exist only in 11 speed.

[@PeakTorque]

@@igorpiasecki7909 oh crap. I hope thats not the case. Another reason why 11 was better!

[@igorpiasecki7909]

@@PeakTorque Its exactly a reason why I dont wanna go 12 speed, but at the same time I currently have 11 speed 105 mechanical so if I would like to upgrade to 11 speed di2 (doesnt matter if ultegra or Dura-ace) its a little bit late to the party, cause the parts are really hard to get.

[@BICIeCOMPUTERconGabriele]

Honestly you don't need shorter gears than 34 front and 34 rear. It's 1:1 ratio. More than enough for road biking.

[@igorpiasecki7909]

@@BICIeCOMPUTERconGabriele Depends where you cycle and what do you want to do. I think PT's points he made in his video about 11-40 cassette on a road bike still hold

[@PeakTorque]

@@BICIeCOMPUTERconGabriele it isn’t unless you can do 4-5w/kg all day.

[@Pablo_Coach]

You said that You never buy bike with horizontal TT. So why this Tavelo?

[@PeakTorque]

@@Pablo_Coach i didnt buy it. Was sent to test

[@Pablo_Coach]

@ ok understand 👍 So what semi-aero-lightweight frame do You prefer? TCR or SL7/SL8 (both have nice slopping TT) 🙂👌

[@tednruth453]

How long did it take to prepare and build up? What did your tools cost? How many watts did it save? Is it worth the hassle?

[@PeakTorque]

@@tednruth453 a day or two in between other stuff. Tools i had.

[@jtmuso]

Seat clamp slippage at 16Nm?!

[@alleywatson]

Jesse loves his with no problems apart from the gear.

[@RyonBeachner]

Good for Jesse!

[@aloispaulus8327]

Is it hard to remove a threaded together bottom bracket ? I want to try one so I don't need to buy a press (I already have the same tool as you used) but I am afraid that it's going to be hard to unscrew without slipping.

[@PeakTorque]

You unthread this do to one side, but still need a press to get the other side out

[@aloispaulus8327]

@@PeakTorque Right ! yea maybe better to get a shimano bottom bracket (plastic) and buy a press then :D

[@rosomak8244]

No. Just partially unscrew it and use a molet to push the side coming out first halfway back before unscrewing further.

[@aloispaulus8327]

@@rosomak8244 It doesn't hurt the threads ? :)

[@PeakTorque]

@@aloispaulus8327shimano plastic BB beats all! Masterpiece of design.

[@cecilordono6326]

The Chinese aren’t known for their quality craftsmanship, I think that’s the main reason why most of the bikes that are made there are questionable. I’m glad to hear that you’re calling out the QC problem in the industry because it seems like they’re comfortable just passing on the problem and repairs to the consumer.

[@66mikkim]

"they’re comfortable just passing on the problem and repairs to the consumer" Just like most big western brands do.

[@michaelcheng6469]

16:45 Spare a thought for those that are running mechanical shifting having to route 4 hoses through the head tube and integrated handlebar.....I barely survived.

[@PeakTorque]

You cant run mechanical on this bike. Not enough space.

[@wickedgravity101]

What happened with the first video ?

[@nuttynut722]

flagged by shill

[@lastfm4477]

He said elsewhere, due to the music he used.

[@patrickdrewello4196]

Just in case anyone follows the move to use BZP finished bolts for the brake mounts, this is generally not a finish for external applications. Ti or stainless would be a better choice to avoid rust, but do your research on the strength of these materials.

[@PeakTorque]

BZP is far superior to raw hi-tensile, and stronger than a2 or a4 stainless (still being 12.9 grade). Ti is overkill. Of course, not perfect but extremely economical.

[@Adonis-qj1nq]

@@PeakTorque using the after market bolts can you still make use of the retaining clip the shimano bolts use? Perhaps that extra redundancy from the Shimano bolts isn’t really needed?

[@patrickdrewello4196]

Take your points about strength. From a corrosion resistance & economical perspective it's perhaps a better compromise to use a galvanised M5. Whilst, both BZP and Galv use zinc coatings, there is a considerable different in the thickness of the coating between the two finishes. BZP just isn't used outside in examples such as facade systems, where like the rear disc mount area, there is constant weathering and often little cleaning to remove salts etc.

[@hardcheese]

@6:30 all Australians have spit out their coffee 😂

[@nlfiets]

I have never received chainstays protection on a frame from China. Using a thick tape now, but it is a little sticky so it gets dirty fast. Tape is stretchy so I do get it nice on a chainstays.

[@Gianniz27]

Wouldn't ride any bike without a chainstay protector. Even invisible folie types do the job 100%.

[@PeakTorque]

My yoeleo came with a seriously good rubber one that the downhillers buy from a brand name at great expense. It’s amazing and hasnt peeled at all despite the frame being absolute battered.

[@AutoCAD681]

Just got a Bianchi Oltre 2023 frameset, no chainstay protector, no pipelining. The same for the Lapierre frameset, both bought new this year. I don't really know why you are being so tight with Tavelo.

[@AutoCAD681]

Also to note, spent ages flattening the rear brake mount on the Lapierre as well. It's their top end, race carbon layup Aircode DRS, so it's not just Chinese brand but also western brand as well.

[@PeakTorque]

Exactly what i said in the video at the start. Did you watch? Western brands guilty of exactly the same. If thats the norm, its shit. Why are we being so soft on ALL brands. Absolute dog turd quality issues.

[@jaytronzero]

Since dtc carbon is bad, what are your thoughts on the dtc titanium bikes like Waltly? I've seen a lot of positive reviews from individual owners around the internet, would love to see a review from you! Thank you for these REAL reviews

[@PeakTorque]

I tried to get in touch with Waltly a few years ago about doing a feature and they declined at the time. Im a fan of their work. Not sure what customer service is like tho and remember every customer frame is NOT fatigue iso tested as a series production unit would be.

[@jaytronzero]

@@PeakTorque oh man that’s some important information with the lack of testing! I guess that’s what we pay for when you’re buying a titanium frame from somebody else. Now I’m even more conflicted with my next bike someday!

[@andarenbici]

These look good but for US and Europe those prices and no product support mean I would not consider them.

[@mikehall6608]

Great vid, mate

[@PeakTorque]

Thanks 👍

[@johndef5075]

Dont understand why you didnt put an anti rattle sleeve on before assembly. Now it will be a real pain.

[@TheFeatInk]

Shoulda got a Big Rock 😏

[@aaronpaterson7582]

hmm. small for small?! I'll have to try this.

[@PeakTorque]

@@aaronpaterson7582 yes and round the derailleur obviously just so its not slack

[@vozzen]

Was that another joke in the beginning about the Nero boys? Now we know what their next episode will be about

[@PeakTorque]

NO

[@matkrek]

Damn they already tried to take your review down!

[@endtimeslips4660]

i think reason bb cause problem is because it install by to much torque not the bike.

[@PeakTorque]

@@endtimeslips4660 no, i fixed it so the BB went in easy with low torque. Before i enlarged the frame, the BB did not even go in so i did not attempt it.

[@5amba]

I don't think chainstay protector and the tube thing should be part of a frameset. Sure it would be nice, but it's also not common in other brands. Beside of that - yeah it's crap^^

[@CyclespeedTours]

My sworks sl8 came with both

[@johnnyboy4711]

joe like Santa,sack full of 165 carbon cranks

[@Dwyane1st]

THIS IS A NOICE VIDEO

[@franspigel9281]

Missed opportunity to call it Sagittarius BB

[@atlastrade1496]

Venge bested

[@MerlinMan1579]

You really should have sent this frame back….to accept it you are in effect supporting the maker, why?

[@Tantewillieja]

Sorry dude, the background music is very distracting...

[@Al_Gepe]

Yeah, should be much more quiet

[@pipoann]

Great vid. I am fascinated by how ugly this paint job is. That bronze blue triangle going over the logo. Did they just use PowerPoint smart art to do this? This is even uglier than Jesse‘s is and that didn’t seem possible to me at the time.

[@axelmogr]

lmao @ the bike speaking chinese

[@pierrex3226]

A saddle that tilts on every bump would have me throw the bike off a cliff after 5 bumps. I don't understand why they ship something that literally holds by one thread, but it's yet another thing that's simply unacceptable (along with "your BB shell will crack if you put a BB in it")

[@PeakTorque]

Ritchey designed this system, execution is up to each manufacturer. But its a shit design.

[@TheWoogeroo]

@@PeakTorqueit’s enough to make me avoid entire brands of bike because they have proprietary seatposts with single bolt clamps.

[@rickmorse3351]

Do you need a Disney Princess blanket for the shop?

[@PeakTorque]

I could do with one. Quite fancy a Moana one. Great film

[@faisal_al_saiful3838]

The one thing i don’t understand about cycling enthusiasts how they are comfortable with structural issues of bikes🤦‍♂️

[@discbrakefan]

This is a weird take. Defects are a fact of life with mass manufacturing and particularly with carbon fibre items like frames. QC is more of an issue with chinese brands, but if you get something without safety issues it’s going to be good. People aren’t accepting critical issues. Other reviewers didn’t have as many issues as PT and while the undersized BB is clearly not ideal, it isn’t a dealbreaker to solve the problem or to enjoy the bike for years. There are millions of carbon bikes out there and rarely do we hear of major issues or structural failures causing crashes. I know absolutely no one who has had a crash due to failing carbon. And I know a lot of people on carbon bikes.

[@faisal_al_saiful3838]

@@discbrakefan Sure but when a whole industry can’t make a round hole for press fit system and starts moving to old threaded system tells you something.

[@discbrakefan]

@@faisal_al_saiful3838 Yeah but it doesn’t tell you what the raving KZbinr comments seem to think it does

[@lerrjlee9347]

19:04 Jack it off? Understood!

[@cconcannon5145]

Who the hell flagged the first one? I watched the whole thing and other than sticking to your beliefs that basic QA should be a given I didn't see anything contentious in real terms. FFS.

[@PeakTorque]

It was the backing music. Nothing juicy

[@peterthomas8053]

Oh no. I liked and commented, what I thought was a great comment. But I'd had 3 beers, and can't remember what the hell I said.😵‍💫🤔

[@PeakTorque]

Fair enough! 3 beers and memory loss, lightweight cyclist!!!

[@peterthomas8053]

@@PeakTorque 😂

[@ARustySpork]

Also you say Western brands. The brands that shill shit get there stuff made in the same place as anyone else right? The company’s that actually do the carbon layup them selves such a Time or look are on the money?

[@liquidSpin]

My god...the graphics on the frame and fork are hideous.

[@romanpramuka2703]

Important note, never size your chain length for smally-small, you can run out of the chain length and damage the derailleur. Always size your chain for biggy-big. Also, is it stiffer then my Look 795 blade RS? No way. Is it more comfy then my Time VXS translink? No way. In conclusion, no way to get this Chinese shit.

[@PeakTorque]

Not true, if you are running stock components within shimano guidelines small-small with just no slack is completely safe.

[@romanpramuka2703]

@@PeakTorque you are right, But you didn't mention that important "if you are running stock components". Many people are using bigger cassettes than recommended (including me), and for this reason it is dangerous.

[@danielakerman8241]

PT I appreciate your engineering rigour, and you were 100% right to call out the issues you did. But let’s be honest, you didn’t JUST review what you received. You went well beyond that and trashed others and essentially called them liars, dilettantes, and profiteers because their experiences differed from yours, and none of that was fact-based. State your experience and stop there. That’s all that is necessary. Your OPINIONS on others are based on presumptions and provide no benefit.

[@PeakTorque]

@@danielakerman8241 wrong. Absolutely wrong. Rewatch the original video. All i said was that Jesse didn’t build it himself he had a bike shop do it. The drama queens took that and twisted it, and told others. Which in itself its gaslighting and slanderous. I will never, ever go on the nero show as a guest again. They even asked me to talk on another show about the drama they created. I declined.

[@danielakerman8241]

@@PeakTorqueyour exact comment was “they [plural] just ride and take pics for their Instagram, and have their boutique bike shops build it for them.” Then you specifically call out Jesse. That certainly implies a level of dilettantism and profiteering. I’ll grant you that much of the criticism that Jesse and GC got came from what you later called the “tin-hat brigade” in your podcast episode. That said, even your comment about Jesse “dropping off his bike at a boutique bike shop” was snide, unnecessary, and uninformed. And there’s no shortage of content on your channel casting aspersions on other KZbinrs for being shills, or accusing them of being complicit in bike manufacturers having poor QC or product design. Your expertise is admirable and highly watchable. Isn’t that enough without contributing to the toxicity so readily apparent online? You like to put on that mantle of “responsibility.” Good on ya. I’d argue that responsibility extends to knowing how audiences respond and not contributing to these online “wars” where people are accusing each other of being liars or cheats.

[@therider4909]

@@danielakerman8241 I don't think you should jump to conclusions or take every dismissive comment quite so seriously. I read it as expressing frustration with the BS and the lack of rigour in some of the 'reviews' out there; and I guess some good old-fashioned sarcasm has been thrown into the mix. Nero boys didn't do themselves any favours with their overreaction, they could have made some good points if they had calmed down and had a rethink before pressing 'Record'. But I suspect Chris Miller probably cares more about clicks and a bit of drama than having a sensible conversation with PT about his opinions.

[@laurenceraygatchalian6108]

shill torque

[@Andy-co6pn]

Should there not be a washer between the carbon bb shell and the bb ?

[@PeakTorque]

Not according to the cybrei manual no

[@Andy-co6pn]

@PeakTorque hmm usually good practice to prevent damage , especially with dissimilar materials