Was 45231 The Sherwood Forester sent wrong line at Rugby

[@HenrysAdventures]

Interesting video. I saw her at Kings Langley. She was taking water so was routed to where she's stopped to be beside the water tanker. She then had to reverse as otherwise she would have been on the line to Coventry.

[@antman09ful1]

Yes I said all that Henry, but I hope you got a good shot at Kings Langley.

[@railfanpolska]

Brilliant footage! Cheers 🖐️🙂

[@antman09ful1]

Many thanks for watching.

[@barrythedieselelectricstea5217]

excellent shots👍 good idea though caused chaos for passenger trains i remember at Canterbury West station the Steam train went into the Loop after dropping passengers off then it had to go on opposite side of the station in the sidings to get watered and coal then back again to hook back onto the coaches finding a gap between the passenger trains was difficult they don't do it anymore they do it elsewhere now

[@antman09ful1]

Thank you very much for this story Barry, and for watching.

[@phil3740]

I've seen a steam loco take on water on platform 1 in the past, with the fire brigade using a side gate, however maybe it's done further up the track to keep non railway persons away from the operation for Health and safety.

[@antman09ful1]

Yes I was told it does happen on platform one on some occasions, but it was booked to go on the sidings on other side, and that was I believe was where the Water Tanker was waiting Phil.

[@jaybee1921]

Hi Mike, as others have pointed out, Sherwood Forester was sent correct road for watering purposes, as that was the onlt suitable access point for the water tanker. Good footage though...

[@antman09ful1]

Well ok but two question for you, 1 why was it booked to go into the sidings on the other side of the station, and 2 why wasn't the water tanker waiting next to the mainline. I believe the water tanker was late arriving because it was on the other side of the line. Regards Mike.

[@jaybee1921]

@@antman09ful1 Hi Mike, On investigation it was found that the tanker had been booked wrong side of the station and to get the loco and it's support coach over to the other side of the station would have involved to many shunts which would have caused delay to regular public services. So the routing used was the best way to avoid delays. Better to have one train delayed than three. Also, you can't have a steam working taking water on a MAIN line now, like the old days, due to the overhead wiring, whereas whereas the siding it was routed to is not wired and therefore safer. The pipe from the tanker has to be fed into the tender from above which involves the crew member having to stand on the top of the tender which, if under the wires, would have brought the aforesaid member within 9ft of the contact wire and he would have been killed. I hope this explanation makes sense to you? Take care, Jon B.

[@antman09ful1]

Thank you Jon for this comment, regards Mike.

[@retabera]

@@jaybee1921 Looks like it was wired?

[@jaybee1921]

@@retabera Not the part of the siding where the loco and carriage were routed to, that part is what is known as an OHL overun spur. It's where the OHL is earthed. The only safe place where crewmen can stand safely on the tender without getting themselces killed. 'Nuff said.

[@MalcolmCrabbe]

Really enjoyed that...beats watching 66's hauling boxes !!

[@antman09ful1]

It is different I agree Malcom, cheers Mike.

[@robertbate5790]

Looks like it was planned that way to get to the tanker. Great catch Mike 👍👍👍👍👍

[@antman09ful1]

Well Robert why was it booked to go into the yard on the other side of the line at Signal 4179, and why wasn't the water tanker waiting at the place where it was watered on the fast. As the tanker never came for about ten minutes I believe it was waiting in the yard. Cheers for your comment Robert. Mike.

[@robertbate5790]

@@antman09ful1 Ah, gotcha! 👍

[@steveblanchard7293]

I don't think so. A look at the map of the tracks would mean 45231 would have to traverse in reverse the south bound flyover to reach the traditional water point. Or if she came up the Northampton line that again would block Southboud slow, for several miles. Unforunately since modenisation and straightening of the WCML at Rugby, there is no way to cross safely from one side to the other. I'm not certain of the NB Water Tower position as it was removed prior to Beeching I think. I would have to travel back in time and ask Grandad as he was a shunter driver.

[@antman09ful1]

Steve If you looked at Railcam you might agree with me, also read some of the comments from people in the know. You could be right Steve, I'm going from the RTT info also.

[@deauvilledad07]

Another quality video Mike. Great to see the steamer. Well done. Stay warm.🤓

[@antman09ful1]

Cheers Tony, I've been out a lot this week in this cold weather.

[@scruffwoodscruffwood6505]

Well done Mike a good catch there I was further down the line for this but things did not go to plan for me .Still I got the HST move

[@antman09ful1]

Oh you will have to tell me what didn't go to plan for you mate, cheers Mike.

[@scruffwoodscruffwood6505]

@@antman09ful1 too many people in the way but its first come first served mate and I was not first so I just watched it go by

[@BibtheBoulder]

Good thing about Rugby is you can arrive at any platform and still get out on the route you require....

[@antman09ful1]

Yes it worked for the move.

[@ACETrainsUK]

Great video, that was certainly an interesting turn of events you captured there Mike. Definitely appears to be an incorrect routing.

[@antman09ful1]

Well I think something went wrong Andrew, but if I was wrong I will take it and put a message out.

[@hkgspotter1]

So why was the water truck waiting there?

[@OfficiallyCharles]

Wow, that sure was an interesting move to say the least! great video!

[@antman09ful1]

Well it was a interesting situation Charles.

[@TrainTraction]

Most unusual Mike, always something going on on the railways, some sort of choas. Brilliant shots and capture there! Glad you caught this! Amazing that! Great stuff! Top class! No faults at all! Well done! Great work! Good to see her out, quick stop haha! A perfect example of why I recommend your excellent channel! Excellent detailing and camera work! Good to see the sun wasn't in the wrong place either. Very nice indeed! Loooooooooooooved it! Really enjoyed, thanks for sharing! Take care, have an awesome day and all the best! Jamie

[@antman09ful1]

Yes it was a bit different for me Jamie.

[@philclarke3203]

Interesting catch Mike. Never been to rugby,so don't know the layout.

[@antman09ful1]

Oh right Phil, well there are siding on the other side where the engine was booked to be watered, so something went wrong Phil.

[@pmallenuk]

Interesting watch. I agree with your presumptions here. Clearly a missunderstanding.

[@antman09ful1]

Thanks Paul.

[@2112SSF]

The Black 5 appeared in Northampton too.

[@antman09ful1]

Yes that is right.

[@tattoo1084]

Great shots Mike of the 5.👍

[@antman09ful1]

Cheers David.

[@TheHappyPensioners]

Excellent video!

[@antman09ful1]

Thank you sir.

[@ENCTrainspotting]

Great video as always Mike👍

[@antman09ful1]

Thanks ENC, it was something a bit different. 👍

[@ENCTrainspotting]

@@antman09ful1 👍

[@AndreiTupolev]

Did you hang around for the HST unit drag?

[@antman09ful1]

Yes that is what I went to Rugby for AT, cheers for your comments.

[@bluechang08]

When a steam loco is operating without the rake of carriages, it always has a singular carriage behind it as in this footage, what is it for? Is it something to do with braking performance or is there another reason for it?

[@thesudricmerman3318]

It a support coach so if engine has fault they can do repair it also it some where for crew to sleep save them looking for a hotel

[@antman09ful1]

Thanks Thesudricmerman for answering Andrew question.

[@BrianSeaman]

Nice capture Mike 👍🙂🚂

[@antman09ful1]

Thanks Brian.

[@matt154uk9]

Interesting situation for sure Mike and interesting to read everyone's different views and comments. Great video though

[@antman09ful1]

Glad you enjoyed it, I can tell you my hand were freezing.

[@WalesRail]

Awesome video

[@antman09ful1]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching.

[@Northerner_Transport_Hub]

Blimey she got up to speed quickly! Am I OK to use the sound with credit?

[@grahamallen1970]

Should think so loco and on coach

[@antman09ful1]

Yes you can use the sound Northerner Transport Hub, thanks for taking a look.

[@antman09ful1]

Graham ????????? Should think so loco and on coach

[@Northerner_Transport_Hub]

@antman09ful1 thank you very much!

[@colingarwood9971]

All fun and games Mike, but a good catch all the same. All the best, Colin.

[@antman09ful1]

Yes I thought it was worth sharing Colin, regards Mike.

[@SimonTog]

Nice video Mike :)

[@antman09ful1]

Thanks Simon.

[@ukrailspotter21]

Good catch Mike

[@antman09ful1]

Thanks Arnold for checking out this one. Mike.

[@benGBRf]

Still can't get my head around why the simplest moves are over complicated 🤦🏻‍♂️great footage though Mike 👍🏻

[@antman09ful1]

Very true Ben, lots of comments about this one. ATB Mike.

[@benGBRf]

@@antman09ful1 yes you said this video had started off well and you are right it has boomed.

[@22pcirish]

No, don’t see any wrong routing. It’s an unusual move in order to reach the water tank, but not beyond the scope of railway operations. Done this way I order to recommence the journey quickly. Seems fine to me. ( GBRf Driver)

[@antman09ful1]

Well Colin it was booked into the sidings on the other side of the station at signal 4179. I believe the water tanker was late arrive because it was waiting by signal 4179 for it to arrive. Thank you for your comment Colin.

[@22pcirish]

@@antman09ful1 Its not unusual for plans to change if someone sees an easier way of doing things. I myself have suggested moves away from the booked plan which have made life easier.

[@antman09ful1]

Fair point Colin.

[@UKTransportVideos82]

Nice catch of steam Mike the steam

[@antman09ful1]

Thank you Andrew.

[@maimadha]

The Sherwood Forester was great

[@antman09ful1]

OK .

[@AndreiTupolev]

Well they managed to save quite a bit of time doing that, it was supposed to stop for 30 minutes but departed 12 minutes early 👨‍✈️

[@antman09ful1]

Well it was running 18 minutes early at Rugby South Junction. There was no water tanker waiting for it when it stopped where it did.

[@TrainLoverHimu]

Amazing ❤🚂❤ Love from => Train Lover Himu

[@antman09ful1]

Thank you for watching.

[@geoffreyking4515]

Good loco is 5231 was at Loughborough for ages

[@antman09ful1]

You say it was at Loughborough Works, when was that.

[@geoffreyking4515]

@@antman09ful1 it wasn't in any works it was running very good for about 2 years, Charlie Hill was the inspector there and he passed a lot of would be firemen out on 5231 I think it was late 80s

[@antman09ful1]

OK.

[@thedreamtommylees]

@@antman09ful1 it was actually the Great Central, one of the first locos to run once it reopened back in 73