Was Andor the best Disney Star Wars Series? (Let's Talk Some Star Wars)

[@PsychedelicDude]

Andor wasn't slow. It was PATIENT.

[@kaziglubey4455]

Great way to describe it. It does a LOT of worldbuilding and character building in the first few episodes which pays off later. Honestly nothing is wasted.

[@PsychedelicDude]

@@kaziglubey4455 Thanks! It saddens me when a show actually treats the audience like intelligent adults and with respect and people complain that it's "slow". Maybe it's those people who are slow, not the show. Was Breaking Bad slow? Game of Thrones? No. They were patient. Glad there are people like you who understands this.

[@angelicalynn1259]

They did something you so rarely see. They made you emotionally invested in the antagonists. That is so rare in anything. Not only did people start to like them but even after the evil is shown people still want to see what happens to them next.

[@ecthelionofthefountain5730]

The first three episodes were like the first 200 pages in the LOTR Books. You gotta get through them to get to the interesting parts that also wouldn't work without the slow (patient) beginning.

[@TraceguyRune]

The people saying Andor is slow are probably Gen Z, and have probably never read any books in their life. Andor was like reading a book. It was perfect

[@jenisedai]

I recently started rewatching Andor, and it's amazing how different the show is once you know where it's going to end. I'm seeing Cassian's growth much more starkly when I can contrast him with where he ends up.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Exactly. Even if his arc is more clear, I think he is still one of the hardest characters to track their change.

[@jamiemunn9200]

You can really dabble in all the sweet little details in there! Let's get those watch hours up!!

[@dereklopez9060]

After watching Andor, It's really sad that Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi, two of the most well known characters in the franchise didn't get the same treatment for their own shows in terms of writing and quality.

[@qtindavis433]

well said!!!

[@starwarsnewsandmemes8289]

As much as I agree, I see the reasoning for Disney's decision, at least from a business perspective. They assumed Boba and Kenobi would do well regardless of quality so they thought they could cheap out to an extent, while with Andor they needed it to be good. I'm not saying it was the right decision, given that some fans have given up, but just saying I see the reasoning.

[@astrojuicy]

For real. It’s so sad that Kenobi could well be the last significant project with Hayden and Ewan and it was just a complete nothing show

[@annikinstarkiller600]

I could not stop thinking this the entire time watching

[@stevebreedlove9760]

My two cents: Kenobi and BoBF started with a character and tried to build a story around it. Andor started with a story and themes and then wrote the characters. This i think is why cassian was the one character most people had an issue with, because he already had an end. That said, i dont think his story in the show that bears his name was bad. Cassian just lacked the same polish as the new characters.

[@tonyallen4265]

Andor has given me a new hope.

[@CC726A24]

unfortunately, a hope that they will abuse until they need a new Andor to revive hope.

[@tonyallen4265]

@@CC726A24 Literally, Andor has given me "A New Hope"... (via Rogue One).

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Hope is torment drawn out. An wounded palm in a dark room, grazing against barb wire to find bandages. Too long I suffered hope after what star wars became, like many others. I think I reached my tolerance just before andor came out, but too late is too late. There’s much more lashing out to do before i’ll ever be appeased.

[@sieg11ful]

It's really sad that we live in a time where world building and character development in an story is considered "soap opera"

[@pedrokantor3997]

Those people lack the maturity for this kind of show.

[@lennyztrobos8678]

@@pedrokantor3997 I cant help but feel that they missed the mark if you need to reach a level of maturity to enjoy a starwars show. Is Lego Andor aiming to outsell Lego Jason Bourne? 😅

[@c-eb3634]

@@lennyztrobos8678 What mark? A lot of adults love Star Wars and it's what they grew up with. Putting up with kid shows every time isn't that great. Disney needs to realise that its target audience is also adults with the Star Wars franchise. They can't only focus on the children's side of it and make mediocre content because they aren't mature enough to appreciate it. So I think they miss the mark when they dumb down everything for children. It's the parents that pay for Disney+, not their child.

[@lennyztrobos8678]

@@c-eb3634 eeh, I guess. I think of it more in terms of, Im a productive adult, and I enjoy my teen fantasy adventure stories just fine if they're done well. I loved Marvel up until Endgame (which I thought was merely okay after the perfect Infinity war). If someone says a show is mature, I interpret that as either 1) sexy, 2) dark/disgusting, 3) pretentious/difficult to follow, 4)excessively violent, or 5) slow burn/boring. So my line of thinking is, instead of doing a show that's dark, gritty and a bit boring, or banal and infantile, they should make a show that's more like a Sword and sorcery adventure in space, like actual Star Wars. ;-P

[@c-eb3634]

@@lennyztrobos8678 I think that varying the style is nice. Like that, it's possible to hold every part of the fanbase together, knowing that not everything Star Wars related will please everybody.

[@ProdCritic]

Andor was not only the best Star War series, it was comfortably one of the best TV series Ive ever seen period. I'm genuinely preparing for Mando season 3 by reminding myself that it's unrealistic to expect it to be nearly as good as Andor lol

[@Throarbin]

I was one of the people who was going to give up on live-action Star Wars. Andor was the last chance I was going to give Disney because I've realized Disney tends to do a lot better with their own original character then legacy ones. Man am I glad I gave Andor a chance.

[@SuperiorShrek]

What about Rey lol

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

At this point the trashing of legacy seems intentional, rather than them suddenly knowing how to write when they're doing their own thing

[@adrianchavez3139]

I think Andor is the best product out of both. It is actually a good TV show on its own, and while I think the Mandalorian has some good qualities, its success mainly comes from the multiple characters that appeared from other StarWars media, talking about season 2 here.

[@ellicel]

I think even those SW fans who don’t like Andor can at least appreciate that the creators took it so seriously, didn’t damage canon or make light of legacy characters, and demonstrated to Disney how important high production values are to the fans. I’m hoping that other shows will benefit from the lessons learned from Andor and that other creators will get the resources and time necessary to create at this level.

[@ebermaciel4336]

After the finale, is there anyone still debating on this?

[@weatherby84]

Besides showing “the backbone of the rebellion”, Andor showed people finding their own voice… a crucial step towards change.

[@zacharyclark3693]

“Andor: A New Hope” seems to be a relevant title. New hope for Star Wars.

[@MedalionDS9]

Mando season 2's finale made me weep tears to see Luke get some much needed badassery but was quickly undone by BOBF... Andor was mostly consistently strong, deep, well acted and directed and complex... I already said this before but yes... this is the best Star Wars show... not just of Disney era, but all Star Wars shows (TV shows, not movies) for me.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

I like ANH, RotS amd ESB. But Andor is superior writing, set design, cinematography amd editing. Im sorry, it may not be a popular opinion, but tear down the technical aspects of cinema as visual story telling and Andor is the best in Star Wars, only possibly edged out by ESB, only because the emotional journey was more concise even if the payoff in Andor was more satisfying.

[@soakedbearrd]

Hands down the best show Star Wars has made that’s not animation. This has heart and soul, and especially now with all that is happening in the world, it really hit home. Star Wars started with a new hope.

[@MedalionDS9]

@@stevebreedlove9760 Very well said, I am not quite ready to say it this show replaces the OT to me, but... it's in a very good company

[@matteopinn1754]

hah, cw is mate

[@kriticalitygaming1048]

@@matteopinn1754 True, but Andor is the best live action one.

[@Zhypherrr]

If you told me towards the end of last year that Andor would not only be incredible in its own right, but also better than Boba Fett AND Kenobi, i would have laughed in your face. I’ll admit I wasn’t entirely sold in the beginning 2 episodes, but I stuck with it and purposely waited and watched it in 3 episode batches and it blew me away every time and made it really hard to wait 3 weeks at a time! It did the impossible and deserves all the recognition it’s getting and then some! To anyone who may have been in the same camp as me and doubtful at first, I strongly encourage giving it another chance.

[@jaimewoodside4427]

Rewatching this first few 'slow' episodes, you realize how amazing they are. The immersive set up is why the series packs such an emotional punch.

[@jonathancarlson5670]

I hope a lot of people watch it. I’m watching it with my roommate who have never watched any Star Wars and she is LOVING it!! She’s actually WANTING to watch the next episode and telling people about it

[@kaziglubey4455]

I wish we were getting more than 2 seasons. I hope at least that they make season 2 extra long. This series is so phenomenal. I watched One Way Out and Rix Road like 5 times already. Such compelling story telling.

[@VonJay]

Gilroy said he's done with star wars but his brother was a writer on the show as well, hopefully we can retain him for future projects. And season two is 12 episodes.

[@hob976]

Andor was the "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" of the Star Wars TV shows. It grounded it into something realer. But, The Mandalorian is the more important show that set the pace. Mandalorian can be followed by a smart 11 year old and Andor is meant for the 18 and up crowd. But, I think Andor is nitch ( and smart ), while Mando feels more Star Wars-sy. I think Andor needed more robots and puppet creatures to round out the Star Wars saga feel...

[@miecraftandmoregames]

the fact we didn't get this quality of writing for obi wan might be the biggest tragedy after the sequels.

[@kidkuleshov]

couldn't have worded it better myself, I was so quick to praise the obi wan series at first :[

[@amytorastrm2070]

I am loving the kenobi Series

[@theveteransergeant]

You were never going to get this quality of writing for Obi Wan, because the premise of Obi Wan is inherently stupid. He's Samwell Tarly. He has one job: keep Luke hidden from the Emperor and Vader. Any story where he goes off across the galaxy drawing massive amounts of attention to himself was going to be bad. Hence why no good writers would touch it, and they ended up with the guys who wrote Army of the Dead, GI Joe: Rise of Cobra, and 47 Ronin.

[@VonJay]

I don't really know why people expect veteran characters to be "written well" or have good shows. Especially under Disney since they never use postmodern tools (Boba Fett is an anti-hero yet Disney has never made an actual anti hero film. They may make Malificent and Cruella but completely humanize and idealize them). But characters that were born from an specific individuals experience won't have enough integrity or believable journey when given to a new writer. New writers should create their own characters and not be trapped in another writer's character, culture, planet etc.

[@miecraftandmoregames]

@@theveteransergeant sure but dealing with the trauma and isolation of obi wan with this level of care would have been pretty amazing imo, it just neded to be a smaller more character focused show instead of whatever the hell we got.

[@choppingpenguin]

Andor is BY FAR the best SW show, nothing else even comes close.

[@matteopinn1754]

cw is better.

[@dunnagan5]

Season 3 onward, the last 4 of Season 7 especially. The first 2 seasons were a little rough.

[@dylanmahaffey8920]

Are you forgetting a little show called "Droids"?

[@choppingpenguin]

@@matteopinn1754 like most SW viewers, it went over your head.

[@MedalionDS9]

I get where people are coming from that the first 3 eps feel the slowest but you also have to remember, we didn't know what to make of this show to begin with so we had to adjust and grow with the show... perhaps if you watch it again, it won't seem as slow because you get why this is necessary to setup stakes, relationships, motivations, and the tone of the world and stories that we will tell going forward

[@bioboy1819]

I really don’t understand why lots of people think it’s great… I really think it’s an average show at best.

[@MedalionDS9]

@@bioboy1819 Do you not understand because you genuinely can't follow the storyline, analyze what people are saying what they like about it, and how it relates to your interests... or because you don't want to get it because you are not genuinely giving it a fair shot?

[@aquapendulum]

I just rewatched the show and found Andor to be a completely different character at the beginning compared to the end. This guy was selfish and burned bridges with everybody in his community. Then while nobody is looking, he grows and evolved as he is influenced by other characters. The guy in the finale who carried out a selfless, heroic rescue of Bix is a changed man. All the scenes in the first arc served as the contrast to his character growth. I don't want to hear anybody simultaneously complaining that Cassian Andor is an under-developed character and that the first arc was boring. The scenes that they think were fillers/unimportant were actually in service of the development of the character they think was under-developed. And I extra don't want to hear those complaints if those same people don't apply that standard to the protagonist of The Mandalorian.

[@soakedbearrd]

Best star wars show hands down. I was really sad how Disney took this franchise and basically made a mockery of it. But I cannot say how much this one show has showed me there is still hope.

[@joshuapossin6910]

Andor really highlighted something that bugs me about the sequel trilogy- the central characters out-way the importance of all the regular people in the war. We see one force projection as the single target of an entire army, and one force user disable an entire fleet. This kind of power makes the individual contributions of the rebels on the ground entirely irrelevant. Compare this to the OT, Andor, or Rogue. We feel the fear of the rebel troopers because we’re on the ground with them, facing down AT-ATs. We see up close the risks and sacrifices made by regular people that collectively make a big difference, rather than the fate of the galaxy resting in the hands of 2-3 ridiculously overpowered force users.

[@rogerpalsgrove9678]

I never really thought to much about how the rebellion had began, other than the content I had consumed in video games. The show creators took the "lived in" torch and ran with it. The whole tradition on Ferrix with the bricks is interesting and took on a whole new meaning to me when I remembered Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall. I can't remember which one of you said it but it does seem true that the show is like the visualization of legends. I forgot about the surveys but would have been among the 70%. One Way Out.

[@matttee1319]

Mandalorian and Andor are both excellent and very different. I enjoy high quality style differences. Andor is top quality acting and writing. I get that Disney needs to cater to a wide audience but I hope they do more Andor level content.

[@kolonelkingkraker]

The Mandalorian is a fantastic show, but I rate Andor a little higher because the writing is phenomenal.

[@JeffHucik]

Honored to have my comment shared in the video. Keep up the good work, Thor & Sailor! You two are the best.

[@shadowclaw8607]

This series was almost a master class in my opinion. I loved it. The pay offs worked very well

[@davemac9563]

To summarize, YES. Mandalorian is fun and engaging, but Andor just has more depth, doesn’t leave you feeling left out if you haven’t seen clone wars, and brings more nuance to the rebellion that haven’t really been explored much prior. And the love and care put into the writing is just something I can’t help but admire. I’m glad both kinds of shows exist but I would say Star Wars needs more of Andor than fan service.

[@leocmen]

Frankly, it Outclasses absolutely everything done by Disney in this franchise. A Masterpiece of cinematography, music, acting, story...

[@emon8779]

Rogue One is my favorite movie, and Andor is my favorite show. There’s no Jedi mysticism. There’s no fantasy nonsense. There is real people existing in the real universe doing their best. The TIE sound effects on Aldhani made me cower a bit. They sounded terrifying. I love grit like that.

[@dereklopez9060]

Rogue One felt more Star Wars than the entire sequel trilogy.

[@istari0]

@@dereklopez9060 Rogue One was more Star Wars than the entire Sequel Trilogy.

[@rcbmmines4579]

I will say though, Rogue One and to a lesser extent Andor, do use the Force excellently in a more grounded yet powerful way. ANH established it as a religion about a cosmic will that drives the destiny of the galaxy which people put their hope in, with how the imperials and Han viewed it as. Not necessarily just as a source of mystical power that gives telekinesis and low level telepathy. That's what we see through the Ersos and the Guardians of the Whills. Lyra gives her Kyber crystal to Jyn and tells her to "Trust in the Force" before she died, like a mother giving a cross necklace as a final memento. That necklace draws attention from Chirrut, a saintly blind monk who retains his faith and through that he miraculously succeeds before death, inspiring Baze to regain his. Their hope is drawn from belief in the Force. "May the Force be with us" never hit harder than when Jyn said it IMO. In Andor, we have Luthen giving Cassian a Kyber crystal necklace celebrating freedom from an ancient Rakatan empire, Skeen talking about how luck drives the galaxy ("from my experience there is no such thing as luck") and Cassian himself constantly being pushed towards joining the Rebellion no matter how hard he runs ("There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny). The Force is always in Star Wars one way or another. This is why the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant to it.

[@anyaabusable9888]

The great thing about having two competently written shows airing at the exact same time is that you can choose what you want out of Star Wars. If you want more of that swashbuckling, 1930s serial style show, the Mandalorian is right over there. If you want spy drama, and ground level battle sequences and the intricacies of how the rebellion and politics work, here's Andor for you.

[@Habu12]

For those of us that have read the original EU, none of this should surprise us. This vivid representation of the rest of the galaxy was always being built up in the EU stories. They were always the bread & butter lightsaber & space battles. In a way, it what is EU fans have always wanted. And it is. What we didn’t expect was the adroit failures we’ve had to endure to get to this point. As Chris Gore says…I miss loving Star Wars. This show is a step towards that precious love.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Thats awesome. In the first few episodes some people were saying it didnt feel like SW. But I played the old WEG role playing game and read some of the novels and short stories and Andor felt more like MY star wars than anything before.

[@Habu12]

@@stevebreedlove9760 right? To me, it has the feel and aesthetic. What a throwback to that time.

[@ryanb9749]

The line between Thor Skywalker and Thor Skywalker Plus is getting a bit blurry.

[@LuckyDogProductions]

BOBA-FETT AND KENOBI NEED THE GILROY GROWN UP TREATMENT. Thanks for having these insights and conversation.

[@rockymountaingypsy]

I showed this to my parents who are in their 60s and aren’t Star Wars fans by any means they Loved it and ended up re watching the entire saga as a result ( well 4-6 and rouge one 12789 are unbearable imo) now if I can get them to watch mando

[@VonJay]

I told my dad about it about a week ago, he's almost 70. He said he absolutely hated the sequels and doesn't want to touch SW again. I said fine, understandable. He calls me last night out of nowhere: "That's it??? 12 episodes? Where's the rest. What?" And I had to remind myself that he doesn't watch shows at all. "oh yeah Andor, yeah season's over." "when's the next season." "2024" "F***" LMAO. We chatted about it for about 20 minutes. Really glad he liked it.

[@SilverSpireZ]

Finally finished watching it today, and it’s easily the best live-action Star Wars we’ve gotten under Disney LucasFilm. I have no complaints about the series. It’s pretty much everything I wanted out of a Star Wars series, and a hugely refreshing change of pace for the franchise. Can’t wait for Season 2!

[@luisvalencia558]

Solid 4.7 Excellent Series. Excellent story. Great characters.Intelligent script and development. Great performances. Great photography One of the best shows in 2022 Great Star Wars!!

[@drewhigbee815]

I think Luthen is only 1 step away from becoming basically Silco from Arcane which is fascinating

[@theveteransergeant]

Andor: Written by the guys who brought us The Devil's Advocate, the Bourne movies, Michael Clayton, The Americans, The Fall (2006), Nightcrawler, and House of Cards. Mandalorian: Written by the guys who brought us Thor 2, Couples Retreat, and a bunch of cartoons. Not saying there's a difference, but Andor can't even see Mandalorian in the rear view mirror, 2nd place is so far back there.

[@federov100]

Filoni/Favreau brought back baby yoda because they can’t write without a crutch

[@theveteransergeant]

@@federov100 Mandalorian is written for 14 year olds. And I'm not knocking it for that. 14 year olds need things to watch too. But it's not anywhere close to the same level of Andor. It's a live action cartoon built around every 35ish minute episode having a shootout, and a neat plot resolution.

[@mat3714]

Mando got sillier as it progressed.... went from gritty to cartoonish troopers getting killed by the dozens while either hitting blaster proof protagonists or missing unprotected people in corridors at point blank. The bar was so low after the sequels that everyone fell for a mediocre show sprinkled with great moments and nostalgia porn. Andor is the way forward.

[@theveteransergeant]

@@mat3714 In episode 2, Mando gets taser off the side of a sand crawler, falls 60 feet to his minor physical discomfort. Mandalorian was never "gritty," lol. It was always a cartoon.

[@mat3714]

@@theveteransergeant in episode 1 he shops a guy in half in a door.... don't add condescending "lols" especially if you're argument is subjective or weak

[@jeremyscungio16]

I'm glad your wife has started to have a more big role in this channel

[@fdsajfldaskjf]

My ranking so far is: 1. Andor 2. The Mandalorian 3. Kenobi 4. Book of Boba Fett

[@ollytomlinsonmusic]

The Naimos location was filmed right by where I live. Saw a bunch of troopers in the flesh. But all the Andor was refreshing, I loved the prison break and I'm so glad this show didn't fall back onto that original nostalgia, fan service too

[@VonJay]

Saw someone write that being the best Star Wars show wasn't a high bar to reach. Which I absolutely agree. Even then, Andor transcended SW in my opinion. Like Marvel, I'd always rank Star Wars products within the universe that they exist in. This is the first time where a Star Wars product has cracked my top 20 overall list, or even consideration for a list. It's my second favorite show all time behind GOT. Third is Better Call Saul and then Breaking Bad. Would have never thought. But Mandalorian is a good star wars show. Andor is a great show that happens to be set in the Star Wars Universe.

[@dentangaji6161]

Slow burn always delivers

[@kidkuleshov]

Personally, Andor being more serious and for-adults was brilliant. It respects the intelligence of adults who grew up watching Star Wars, and it shows that not every Star Wars story has to have an angle about Jedi vs. Sith. Finally we see that it doesn't have to be all lightsabers and lasers and space dogfights and bombastic classical-opera scores. Instead, we have a beautiful and heartfelt reminder that a tale of Star Wars CAN be about the regular people in the galaxy who don't have supernatural powers or Batman skills or some awesome prophetic family lineage.

[@VonJay]

That's how I felt about Rogue One, and then we get the amazing Darth Vader scene, which I thought was unnecessary. Kind of threw to the tone of the entire film off. It was still amazing just thought they could have used at least a fight sequence like that elsewhere.

[@CC726A24]

Disney star wars consistently does well with series that are not supposed to be good/important. This is either due to chance or the fact that the leadership at Lucas film when they get involved ruin projects. My major issue with this all is that we get inconsistent content that keeps hope alive but never delivers any results. What will they do with the goodwill created by Andor, how will they mess everything up?

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

They will mess up the good will, no question, so I don't see any reason to support them until there's a new leadership. Look no further than how Willow show is messed up and what will happen to Indiana Jones.

[@pw6002]

The OT showed us a galaxy where Luke, Obiwan and Yoda were the ONLY Jedis left. And where the rebellion was led to 99% by non-force-sensitive people. It’s even stronger with Rogue One, where no Jedi is involved at all, except maybe for the blind warrior (sorry I forgot his name) who seems to have some connection to the force. It’s great to have a series about the everyday rebels.

[@Snowy57]

I too felt it was a slow start but it certainly paid off. Episode four kicked into a higher gear. I fell in love with it. By series end I was excited for the potential of Star Wars again. That’s a feeling I haven’t had for years, other than when Rogue One released. Andor really felt fresh and engaging with few missteps.

[@vonglover7859]

Definitely 4 stars for Andor. It's good for all the reasons we SW nuts see it as. My only issue with the series,is the lack of diverse species involved in the fight as well. To say Andor highlights the "human" side or common people side of the struggle is semantically true,given the bulk of the rebellion was in fact human,but there are other species' with the same struggles as well & for me,it shrinks the Galaxy instead of making it as some view,larger in scope when not telling their stories. A series like Andor is primed for diverse species' arcs right along side the humans,since ultimately it's them who illustrate Star Wars as a galaxy far far away. Definitely a good watch & high praise to Gilroy for the good work put in so far. I'm excited with all the upcoming projects Fillioni has in store to give me the Star Wars I truly love. He has never failed me.

[@JeffHucik]

No question. The best.

[@motorheadabega]

Andor transcends Television, rising to the level of Cinema, alongside cold war classics like Three Days of the Condor, or Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

[@Eldarion10]

Ha, that image showed around 11:00 of Your video, I missed it watching the show - the guy to the right holding a percussion cymbals case :D Reminds me of the famous gillete razor comunicator.

[@donaldsmith8648]

I can't wait to see episode 3 of your Obi Wan Kenobi Series I've watched the first two twice already lol.. oh great job on this video

[@MrJimJam]

I love Andor and the Mandalorian. I think the Mando is more fun but Andor is more suspenseful. Both are great and have a place in the SWG.

[@artboymoy]

I don't get people that are into serialized storytelling, world building, characters, and drama, can't seem to get into this show. For one YTber, it seemed that he had a defined definition of what Star Wars is to himself.

[@Manterok]

I hate when people don't like what I like! I hate them!! Lmao nah, but it does baffle me that some people don't like this masterpiece! What's not to like?! And I was hooked from the start. Star wars opening scene starts in a brothel!? A dream come true! When I was like 12 I thought I could write an adult star wars novel, which I obviously was not equipped to do, but I tried to basically change pulp fiction into a star wars story...would have been bad ass, but I was 12 and had neither the skill or patience for that shit.

[@bandofspartans2999]

I've discussed this show with a few friends, and it sometimes feels like I watched a different show. Some of them think Andor is the worst of the Disney Star Wars shows. That perspective blows my mind. Like they don't understand what makes up a great show.

[@gammawolf3]

Honestly I think the show is fine, I think I got a little overhyped for it. It’s just not quite my type of show which made it hard for me to get really into it. That being said, episode ten is so *so* good

[@andyb1653]

What we REALLY need is a show or movie that combines the quality, attention to detail, and character depth of Andor with the whimsy and Space Fantasy elements of a show like Mando or BoBF. THAT would be peak Star Wars. My rating for Andor S1 is a 9.5 out of 10.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

LOTR trilogy?

[@andyb1653]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Not really. The two franchises are different enough that what works in LOTR won't necessarily work in Star Wars, and vice versa.

[@Luis-jl6oh]

You guys actually read my comment no way, this made my day. Thanks!

[@soil80]

It wasn't just the best Star Wars series, it was one of the best series of the year overall.

[@marioshobbyhq]

I loved Andor's world building - no pacing issue from my point of view. I enjoyed it - a refreshing surprise in the overall mediocrity of tv series and franchise disasters (like most of the previous SW sequels and Amazon's ROP).

[@decades1912]

I was taken aback by the slow pace for the first 7 episodes, but the last 5 & later look-back reminded me somewhat of Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul, in a weird way they are slower shows that manage to really catch many people's attention with characters & situations in a darker mood. I really like Andor.

[@DarkLordArmanus]

Between the films and the D+ shows we've had 6 movies with Tatooine in it and 3 shows (maybe more). We also have Jakku which is Tatooine by another name. I definitely think we can do without this planet for a while, especially when the setting is filled with billions of planets. And I love me some jedi and sith, but it was remarkably refreshing to finally see something without a singke lightsaber in it. I think some fans need to get a grip on this a bit....not every show needs a jedi, not every character needs to be related to a legacy character, not every character needs to be secretly a sith lord.... Variety is the spice of life, right? Don't you think you'll get sick of pizza if you have it for every meal for the rest of your life?

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Thank you for stating this. The luthan is a jedi theories showed no one cared to listen to what Gilroy said about his own show.

[@inlonging]

I think the problem is the people you’re referring to are the immature types that probably DO have pizza for every meal because they cannot be bothered to cook or vary from what they like. Immature.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Imagine how mad today fans will be at Tatooine in KOTOR remake 🤣

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

why should I seek out every little thing the creator says when I watch a show? Andor fans sounding like prequel defenders.

[@HelFrostKara]

I only just watched it recently (for better or for worse). I really enjoyed it and is kinda wild to see something from Disney that is so substantive. Like it is about stuff with complicated characters and themes rather than being purely spectacle or just a toy comercial. As if the intent was to make a whole ass meal rather than a candy bar lol.

[@a-walpatches6460]

It was a masterpiece!

[@bentomkinson326]

Yes! Episodes 1 and 2 were a bit slow,but from episode 3 I was hooked. It looks stunning, great characters - especially Luthen, Mon, Cyril and Dedra (apologies if I've spelt any wrong). Great story, really well written! Hopefully more people will give it a chance now other big shows like House of the Dragon have finished.

[@theredtrain]

Ever notice.. Jedi were all about no feelings but their followers, the rebels, are the most passionate... The Sith are fuelled by passions.. But their followers are like emotionless...

[@intuitivealchemist]

Loved Andor. Loved the nods to "Kyle Katarn" with Cassian - hoping we see a lot more of that in S2.

[@PsychedelicDude]

Would love to see Kyle Katarn become canon again. If i could pick an actor to play him it would be Jensen Ackles who played Dean Winchester in Supernatural and Soldier Boy in The Boys

[@intuitivealchemist]

@@PsychedelicDude I could see that! Good casting choice.

[@adamstone5865]

Andor is my favorite show I’ve ever seen. I can’t wait for season 2

[@Pwn3dbyth3n00b]

They need Tony Gilroy to be in charge of a High Republic or a Revan movie trilogy.

[@001sander2]

Seriously almost canceled my Disney+ subscription until Andor 😁

[@zacharyclark3693]

Yay! More Naboo on the main channel.

[@GuntherRommel]

So, in terms of actual quality television/film, Andor really works. My goodness, look at Empire- in 1980, that movie was *terrifyingly adult*. Best Star Wars movie, year after year? Empire. Because it didn't talk down to us.

[@spergicide97]

I think Mandalorian and Andor are completely different but both awesome in their respective ways.

[@yuryyarovikov3323]

I really liked the series overall and enjoyed all of the episodes. I specifically enjoyed how they felt diverse artistically (cudos to the composer for putting that much thought into the score). One example for me is that the whole sequence of Andor's arrest and sentence was pretty funny (again, microtonal music really helps the feeling of Andor trying to make sence of this stupid situation), and the very next episode we see how brutal the jail actually is, where it is not funny at all. But the episode that touched me the most is, without a doubt, ep. 6. It was a cinematic masterpiece that builds the suspence all the way through to release it in a hauntingly beautiful way. 6th is the episode I'm going to rewatch a few times.

[@chefjames3361]

To the guy who didn't like it, watch the first episode again and see if you aren't feeling you want to rewatch it. This happened to me and then I finished it.

[@theMindwalker]

I didn't vote because it needed a 6 star review. And well done Naboo, for the pronunciation on the highest rated comment.

[@EnragedTofu]

Plain & simple, Andor is Star Wars evolved. Mandalorian is sentimental, self contained action fantasy, but Andor is a true saga of common citizens from a galaxy, far, far away.

[@LukeDe1st]

Im sorry but those who say nay to the show are either too impatient or too casual. I sincerely hope they don’t condescend themselves if they can watch other franchises or genres that have the similar tone and pace of Andor. Andor is easily a four point five to five out of five. Loved it and was happy to be surprised about it despite my curiosity. Lets take this as a big lesson and one quite repeated ofter. “NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER.” Wait to see what happens first. Love Andor. As a Disney StarWars hater myself.

[@shadowscythes]

Thank you for pointing out that people have different opinions and that it's perfectly ok if you like something that everyone else seems to hate or dislike something most people seem to like, I feel like a lot of people really don't get that these days. As for Andor, I definitely did enjoy it and I can say with confidence that is is probably the best written Star Wars show that has ever been released, maybe even some of the best written Star Wars period. However, I personally enjoyed the Mandalorian more simply because it felt more like the classic Star Wars that I've grown up with, having all of those action scenes and keeping me entertained throughout. I'm not saying that Andor's slow pacing is a bad thing, I'm glad they took the time to properly develop the characters and I really liked how they humanized the Imperials rather than just portraying them as incompetent buffoons like a lot of other stuff does. I think I would benefit from a second watch because the plot was so complex compared to what I'm used to that a lot of the details and dialogue went over my head a bit, overall I'd say it was quite good and the few complains I have about it are relatively minor ones.

[@meemmahn2856]

I'd say 4 or 4 1/2. The best part is the characters. Everyone is amazingly written. I love the power-struggle in the ISB. I feel like it really fits with the rest of what we know about the empire. The worst part was probably the heist arc. It just felt like a generic heist movie split into a TV show and with laser guns. It almost felt like filler.

[@joaopedrorosa6198]

Mandalorian had the benefit of coming after a trilogy that destroyed the franchise. The bar was set very low and everything that came after that remotely reminds of SW would be praised as great. The fact is: Season 1 is a show about nothing. Just side quests that do not develop the characters until the last episode. season 2 was fan service show. It's not terrible, but doesnt come even close to something REALLY good

[@ChrisPTenders]

I loved this series. People call it "sophisticated" a lot, but I think Star Wars has always been sophisticated, it just didn't present itself that way, and now it does, which I could take or leave. I think this series is great because it's the first piece of Star Wars media to carefully maintain an air of authenticity in a long time. I don't think Andor was perfect, it had a lot of dead weight in my opinion, but not nearly enough to dampen my excitement for its better qualities. Most side characters felt like they were just there so we don't forget about them when they become relevant in the next season. Some scenes felt like they were on repeat every time we came back to certain characters doing the same thing in the same place. Most of the extras being human and some of the overused sets sort of made this series feel a lot smaller in scale, even making the universe feel smaller, despite a clear focused use of budget to make the sets look really, really good. In that sense, this doesn't feel like Star Wars at all, because its visuals could fit inside any sci-fi setting if you didn't see people in Imperial uniforms roaming around and the occasional storm trooper. Luckily, we did get a great sense of economy; which is ironically why Tatooine was such a cool setting, because in the original movie it looked and felt like a functional society, with commerce and problems therein which trickled down from authoritarian rule. So beginning there, this series actually captures the spirit of that original movie and its "sophisticated" world building perhaps better than any of its sequel and prequel films ever did. It's all the same themes and cinematic language of that first film in a format that breathes. I was satisfied with the opening arc, impressed by the heist arc, and blown away by the prison arc. The original Star Wars movie's middle act was everything great about this series, a sort of prison break heist movie with mounting tensions. In the movie, that story arc lasts around the span of one episode of this series. This series essentially did the middle act of the original film again and again, spread across three episode arcs, and that felt like we got three really solid movies worth of that middle act of the first movie. Considering that's my favorite part of my favorite Star Wars movie, this show was a borderline religious experience for me. This series also takes a lot of my favorite things about the prequel era and incorporates them into the context behind its action. In that sense, this series embodies so much of what I love about Star Wars. I think Andor has the potential to be to the originals a more concise version of what The Clone Wars was for the prequel movies.

[@HiHi-lt1cb]

On a sidenote, imagine being a star Wars fan in 20 years and you have all these movies and shows to catch up on 😅 I cant imagine how much more will be made by then. I hope they all are made with as much care as Andor, id love to see different types of stories told about different characters.

[@lustrazor44]

Well lucky for them most of it isn’t worth watching so there won’t be much to catch up on. Scrap boba, ObiWan, half of clone wars, all the sequels and solo and it’s really not that much.

[@dentangaji6161]

@@lustrazor44 So clone wars aint that good?

[@benquadrinaros8692]

I’d say it’s my favourite series, though my favourite piece of tv is still the last four episodes of clone wars

[@RooftopKorean796]

I’m always going to be more interested in the Jedi and bounty hunter side of the Starwars Universe, but Andor was interesting since it focused on other things. I did enjoy that the episodes were consistent in length compared to the other shows and nothing seemed rushed. I just wish BOBF and Obi had been done better. Besides the sequels, these two shows killed any anticipation and excitement I had when Starwars projects come out. They did Obi and Boba dirty.

[@TwistedCarbonite]

Simple answer: Yes

[@niccistarkiller1131]

Mando is my favorit still, I think. Loved the characters and that we good Star wars being Star Wars again after the sequels. But if we then goes into the the build-up, the care and feeling they put in to make a great story. And the character building and acting You feel for everyone, so maybe this is the best ever But it is darker and Mando is more easy and fun. Boba and Kenibi I don't know what they thought The storries did not fitt the actors, still liked to see them, they had a lot of star wars feel to them

[@chillymonkeys7772]

For me personally it is one of the best Star Wars period.

[@whiterosemotors9026]

Luthen will get disintegrated by Boba Fett. Thus eliminating the lead to the organized rebellion and leading to Vader's comment in ESB. Mon and Bail will take over anyways. Wraps up loose ends to lead into Rogue One.

[@snyper5150]

Yes it is. Hands down

[@farwoodfarm9296]

Every Disney StarWars show will feel cheap to me from here out (Until season 2). I'll argue that Andor was the best on screen StarWars series ever, that includes the original trilogy and prequels. 10% from me.

[@Luis-jl6oh]

Thanks!

[@thorskywalker]

And thank you for leaving the comment on the poll!

[@dunnagan5]

I enjoy the Mandalorian, it’s a crowd pleaser but I haven’t rewatched it or think about it much. I’ve already started rewatching Andor. I’ve listened to Luthen’s monologue multiple times and I tear up every time I hear it. I get chills when I hear Nemik’s manifesto, I get inspired when I hear Maarva’s call to action. Dedra has become a villain I love to hate. I crave constant Andor content through video essays and analysis. I almost quit SW after BOBF and Obi Wan, Andor drew me back. It is a masterpiece.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Lol. Same. I thought i reached the end of the internet for Andor analysis then i found another one. Everyone saw something different, found a new detail in the writing etc. Ive watched each mando season twice and agree i dont feel compelled to watch it again (although i say that about the OT and still circle back to it once or twice a year). Andor makes us think and I am pretty sure thats the why so many people are finding it so refreshing. Mindless entertainment is great, but so is thinking.

[@daneg]

easily the best Disney+ series, imo. after that, I'd rate the Clone Wars/Bad Batch a distant second with Mandalorian in 3rd. Boba Fett is way way behind. And Obi-wan was insultingly bad. Certain eps of Mandalorian are excellent. but I cringe so hard when some major supporting characters show up and just kill the show for me (like Anakin "acting" in the Prequels).

[@HamishsRobot]

Andor is better on every level. There’s no contest at all.

[@paulab5264]

I have wanted Star Wars to get the Battlestar Galactica re-imagining treatment for years and this show finally did it! There is room in Star Wars for BOTH the family friendly wonder of the core Star Wars shows like Mando/Clone Wars/Rebels and the gritty adult drama more befitting of a society in a time of fascism, rebellion and war. Variety is good as long as the shows don't contradict each other's canon too much, and Andor does not contradict anything else in Cannon. It is an excellent show 9 out of 10 for me because I think that the pacing could have been a little tighter, (just a little!). If some of the scenes in epi 1+2 were trimmed (the kids walking through the woods and painting their faces on Kanari, and the old man annoying Luthen on the bus into town), and one less scene of Syril eating cereal, there could have been more of Mothma in the Senate maybe facing off with Sy Moore ( an undeveloped character from the prequels who would have made a good antagonist). I like this show but I understand how some people could have been bored.

[@joshpeck9266]

The problem is when Disney turns Jedi into action figures then yeah I don’t want that. If you look at Jedi in something like KOTOR, we are it’s really heavy and philosophy, then yeah I would really want Jedi in it!! Or the old republic or something. If Jedi were done with depth and complexity that is what I like!!!

[@CmdrBrannick]

After debating this with myself, I do think I actually preferred Andor over The Mandalorian, but only just. They are both amazing shows to me. Boba and Kenobi were shit though.