Was Arthas Right To Purge Stratholme?

[@Doronsmovies]

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[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Nope. Arthas did nothing wrong.

[@TarnishedVagabond]

Arthas was abandoned by the two people that mattered most to him. Uther and Jaina turned their backs and left him to deal with the situation as if it would just go away if they all left, like sweeping trash under the rug. Ofc it broke him

[@JoshuaValentine]

No. Because if you lose your soul, it’s pointless. To me his story is about the quote of what does it matter if a man gains the whole world if he loses his soul?

[@rippspeck]

I always wondered if sponsors force people to thank them or if they're actually sheepish enough to do it on their own volition.

[@radulescumihai7089]

I m so Glad to see you dorons, I m a big fan of your videos!! Keep going bro

[@joel7342]

I wish Arthas asked Uther what in the world he had in mind when he said there has to be another way.

[@tonyforma]

Good pointed

[@major_trollum]

Hold hands and sing coombaya while waiting for the light to intervene and do their work for them

[@Judginn]

@@major_trollum "muh light" - Average paladin

[@Grancigul]

I wish he ordered a lockdown of the city. Once most ppl became zombies uther would have helped him purge it

[@cseijifja]

@@Grancigul so he wanted the peasants to turn into mosnters and eat their families first?, aight lmao. Uther was a clown, same as jaina, they abandoned arthas when they he needed them most.

[@bjuganda7758]

There is a theory where if he doesn't purge the city, the undead will attack Arthas's base, the Capital city, and even Dalaran. It may be non-canon but it's just a theory and the Burning Legion really did planned ahead of time.

[@kristiyangrigorov5232]

This is true actually. The plague wouldve spread around his kingdom in no time. Sadly the irony is that he destroyed it himself later

[@masterexploder9668]

It broke his sanity, he was shell-shocked and traumatized and to cope with what happened, he focused on his rage and revenge against Mal'Ganis to make all these deaths count for something. He really wasn't in a right state of mind to command troops and could be capable of making rash decisions, which is precisely what happened.

[@BLOrtega]

Unfortunately, even if they purged or left the city, it's going to fuck them in the ass anyhow. Had they purged it, the undead were still running rampant, had they not purged it, the undead would grow even faster

[@Azure_Wulf]

Arthas did nothing wrong.

[@thunderlordaeron134]

@@UnleashedOdinV2 Aggramar?

[@paulstealcry]

@@thunderlordaeron134 must be Aman'thul

[@shahsoftinc.2459]

The same guy that failed art school?

[@pedrogrillo]

@@UnleashedOdinV2 Garrosh

[@kevinthepaladin235]

Killin his father and uther was wrong but I guess u could blame that on frostmourne

[@VanAlexi]

“Without monsters, there can be no heroes” - Darion Mograine

[@eu29lex16]

Yeah, you can still have heroes

[@flaritza8069]

As Thanos said: "Hardest choice requires the strongest will"

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

He was right to purge the infected. But was wrong to follow Mal'Ganis to Northrend.

[@justsomeguywithamustache.9096]

Not necessarily in following Mal'ganis to northrend but most of his actions there were either morally questionable or just flat out wrong.

[@nirtal3990]

If jaina and uther did not abandon him he might have not gone after malganis, atleast not alone.

[@tonyforma]

@@nirtal3990 They betrayed him and they state that he betrayed them. Sounds similar to something?

[@marcoscorpas2752]

@nemanja markovic, he lied to his men and betrayed the mercenaries that fought for him in Northrend before he even got close to Frostmourne. He should have never gone to Northrend. He should have helped his people escape like Jaina did.

[@nirtal3990]

@@tonyforma what did you have in mind?

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Was Arthas right to prevent Covid-19 from spreading? Yes.

[@Berkay-xl4hu]

He could giveaway some masks instead.

[@shahsoftinc.2459]

@@Berkay-xl4hu they were zombies, not infected people to be isolated, but madman, comparing for sarcasm is ok, but taking this seriously is a massive misunderstand

[@Mezukage27]

He could have given more "thoughts and prayers"

[@lightests]

It's the truth no one wants to accept. For the greater good, it is better to wipe out an entire city or region than give in to compassion and allow it to spread and have more people suffer.

[@unknowing5818]

@@lightests tbh It is on the food they ate which all of the citizen have probably eaten on their dinner table.

[@PatricParrot]

Holy shit I was not expecting him to look like he does. Also Arthus did the right thing for all the right reasons. The others just couldn't see it. Them leaving him sent him down the path of damnation

[@harz632]

I still believe that if Jaina hadn't abandoned him, he would have not fallen to revenge. Ironic how Jaina probably created the Lich King because she refused to stand by Arthas when he purged the city, just to later Purge Dalaran from the Bloodelves and being totally fine with it.

[@derrickhead]

Bruh lmao

[@PatricParrot]

Both caused the downfall. Look the poor guy was in a pretty tender place what with the whole his kingdom being turned into the unread thing. Couple that with the long lost live of his life who he had just reconnected with and his actual father figure leaving him there really wasn't much of a chance he had. Good back to the main point. He did the right thing. It wasn't easy. It was horrible and it haighted him and sent him off the edge but it was thebright thing to do. Maybe if they had stayed he could have made it out without falling.

[@masterexploder9668]

The whole scenario shows why Dreadlords and Lich King are considered the best manipulators in Warcraft universe. In some way evil of Dreadlords did make an impression on Sargeras himself. Poor prince didn't stand a chance, he was a victim like everybody else and turned into a monster.

[@ragvald8835]

@@harz632 Jaina was a young girl who didn`t had any responsibilities, she was present only as observer. You can`t really blame her for not participating in a genocide, that wasn`t her fight. She isn`t even form Lordaeron. Uther, on the other hand, had duties and responsibilities, yet he just ran away. He couldn`t even argue with Arthas that it was the only choice, he was just afraid of dirtying his hands. Understandable as it is, Arthas didn`t want that either, yet he realized purging was a lesser evil and had to be done. Truly royal choice. Being a leader - a king, for example - is actually about making hard decisions like this.

[@getonleagueguys7557]

Short answer: yes Long answer: y e s

[@dadog1517]

“uther's gonna pay for that slam dunk" arthas 2020

[@zytha2890]

Remember: if you die as an undead you just went straight to the maw I see this as both a mercy killing and a necessity as it helped thin out what could have been so much worse

[@saimyintmyat9373]

Look like hell in reality

[@zytha2890]

@@saimyintmyat9373 would be worse if it wasn't thinned out

[@saimyintmyat9373]

@@zytha2890 Devs recycled diablo contents to new wow expansion. Hell demon Vs Angels 🤣🤣🤣

[@zytha2890]

@@saimyintmyat9373 ehhhh if you say so

[@BLOrtega]

What people seem to forget is that the Scourge also had a base close to Stralthome with a Dreadlord leading them. Try fighting the undead with limited numbers while also trying to quarantine a large city with people turning into the undead. It wouldn't end well for you as well even if you tried saving as many as you could, you'd be fighting a losing battle and every loss means extra manpower for the Scourge

[@Kunori]

Arthas could have made more of an attempt to explain himself to Jaina and Uther, it would have only taken a few sentences. Or, instead of telling them to leave, he could have told them to stay on guard outside the city to catch undead and capture people escaping instead of joining him. Once they'd caught some refugees and seen them turn into undead they could have realized he was right. Arthas going "I relieve you of command, everyone who doesn't obey me get out of here" was a mistake. Made out of anger and maybe injured pride, but a mistake.

[@dredgenauryx3382]

Ok this what I want to see from people who criticize Arthas! I 100% agree he could have done things better... Stratholm needed to ne purged but he could have gone about it so much better... I so hate the argument that what he did is wrong and he should not have done it but I don't have a alternative... Although those are also the people who probably do not understand that Arthas after Frostmourne is a different character...

[@Rpground]

Honestly, he could have, but with everything you experienced and them with you you probably would of thought an explanation wouldn't be needed. Especially being the prince of the land. I wouldn't expect to be questioned in such a dire situation and if I was I don't think I could of properly explained why we had to do it. More likely only weaken my position and just lose more of my army in the process.

[@kristiyangrigorov5232]

@@dredgenauryx3382 exactly! Whe he took Frostmourne he was already gone. The lich king voice corrupted his mind. He became nothing but a puppet. He had good things in mind. Before he took the sword he said "I will give anything or pay any price if only you (Frostmourne) will help me save my people". The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[@masterexploder9668]

The thing is, purging Stratholme was right, but Arthas was in wrong state of mind to do this. He jumped to his conclusion pretty fast, but we knew from Hearthglen mission that people transform really fast after eating that grain and Arthas knew he was out of time. He barely managed to set up a base and go into city, when everybody started transforming and Mal'Ganis came in. Uther wasn't in Andorhal so maybe he was a bit out of loop on investigation, but Jaina? She simply didn't have the stomach to kill people and see her cute prince do it. Sometimes you just can't save them all. There is some blame on King Terenas, who in Human intro, refused Kirin Tor's recommendation to setup a quarantine to slow down the spreading of Plague. So when everybody bailed out claiming the moral high ground, Arthas as prince and representative of ruling government, was left behind to clean up this mess and boy did he clean it up.

[@masterexploder9668]

@@kristiyangrigorov5232 And road to heaven isn't? It's not about intention, it's about execution.

[@adeerkhan1]

Uther and Jaina should have stopped him or joined him; this way he would have been prevented from taking the path alone.

[@Sengrath2986]

Well Muradin was there, that worked well for him o. O

[@masterexploder9668]

Muradin should have slapped him with that stormbolt in the face, maybe he would stop hearing the voices when his head would keep ringing.

[@hakon5473]

He is a hero for that. He prevented Lordaeron's fall. Atleast until he came back and killed everyone.

[@chainclaw07]

I totally agree - Uther still left Arthas at his own whim, knowing Arthas intentions. While his hands are clean his resolve isn't.

[@ArthasHastingsMenethil]

honesty I understand Arthas mentally and emotionally I mean still young, need guidance during these "HARD DECISION" especially from Uther the one who supposedly to be a wisest one.... that's where Uther failed as a mentor for Jaina I think it's the one that makes him broke even more when Uther and especially Jaina abandoned him. It is where that broke him even harder. I mean not only he had to witness his peoples became zombies but he had to also witness 2 peoples who abandoned him which broke him even harder till the point that he's rotten to the core and cannot be fixed so in conclusion he was RIGHT about purging however his method was WRONG

[@mariuschristensen1600]

Blame Monarchy. Uther would have stopped Arthas if Arthas did not have the authority to stop uther.

[@kendivedmakarig215]

Can't blame Arthas for purging the city. Arthas saw what Uther and Jaina didn't on how terrifying Undead is. They can turn someone into an undead, use the undead zombies to infect anyone, etc.

[@kendivedmakarig215]

​@@mariuschristensen1600Arthas does not have the Authority to stop Uther. He is just a prince not a King. Uther only obeyed to King Uther's order.

[@idiosyncratic81]

The only mistake Arthas did in Stratholme is that he didn't purge it ENOUGH.

[@soumyakanta123patel4]

I know many people will tell me that it's not possible and not ruin such a great story but man! I really want arthas back to azeroth as himself as a paladin and restore lordaeron once again.I remember when I played the cuiling campaign as a child I always thought that he was right but after completing human campaign the arthas betrayal cinematic struck my heart to the core.I really want him back as my fav paladin hero.

[@panovcsikpatrik7127]

You have right. Arthas must come back!

[@tonyforma]

Light's Vengeance

[@kuyt20]

In a way, that would be a great redemption arc. However, I believe that Arthas' fall was exactly what made him legendary, instead of just another paladin / prince. Some people rue Arthas' downward spiral but don't realize that if that hadn't happened, he would probably have been a lot less interesting and maybe not as popular.

[@leifvernaculum953]

Uther's justification to throw him to the Maw was not for vengeance, but for justice. Arthas's crusade against Mal'Ganis was for justice and the purging of Stratholme was in mercy. His redemption is how willing he was to bear the burden. "I would gladly bear any curse to save my homeland."

[@volcaniclord]

Uther might believe it, but it wasn't justice that motivated him to throw Arthas. Justice offer peace to to others. Vengeance is only done for oneself. And Uther was doing this for himself.

[@tangofett4065]

The Pirate Captain: “well yes, but actually no.....”

[@Anstribers]

Our prime minister of health during covid pandemic this month: this entire country must be purged!

[@thecommentguy9380]

This entire country must be Arthas'd

[@dredgenauryx3382]

I am going to make one last contribution to this conversation with my abilities of an aspiring writer. You are a soldier of Lordearon and you followed Arthas into the city. You have your doubts about the princes plan but you dare not speak out against him. As you patrol the city you see a scared family running away from the main force. "HELP US THE PRINCE HAS GONE MAD!" The father yells to you as the mother and child weep... Looking at them you know your orders are to kill them but you cannot bring yourself to draw your blade. Suddenly the mother coughs. "What was that is she alright?" You ask. "Yes just the common cold nothing serious." the father replies. Looking at the scared family you decide consequences be dammed, and decide to help them. "I can get you out of the city follow me." You say and start guiding them out. As you run, avoiding other patrols, and even the few undead that have started to roam the streets the mother falls down and starts coughing... "Mom we got to go!" the child begs their mother. "Come on dear you can do this!" the father encourages his wife. but the coughing won't stop... As the coughing continues green ooze/gas (whatever it was) starts seeping trough her orifices and eventually trough her skin. She starts twitching and screaming in agony as her eyes begin to glow... "Kill me make it stop!" She screams while flailing around her screams of agony morphing into growls of an angry and hungry animal. "NO! Please kill me!" she begs of you her appearance now clearly more dead then living... As you contemplate on what to do compleatly horrified the child and father starts to cough as well, while the mother has stopped begging but is still screaming her cries becoming less human by the second... What will you do?

[@dredgenauryx3382]

Now If I was actually writing I would not leave this open ended, The Soldier would have seen what is to come and killed this family and the next one they would meet as that is showing these people mercy... But I wrote this as a question about morality... Is it morally right to watch someone go trough extreme pain and anguish as they slowly turn into a monster and then kill that monster... or is it morally right to kill them before they turn to spare them from the pain... Killing a monster is morally better... but we also have to think about what made them a monster and how painful it was... and if it was suffering while we just looked from the side because killing them before would have been wrong... we are o better then the monster we just killed... Arthas chose to kill these people before they suffered... and in my opinion that was the merciful choice... Then again Arthas could have showed Uther and Jaina what the plague does as I have done here (all thought waiting for some people to suffer so you can give evidence of their suffering might not be the right call either but that is not what we are discussing at the moment), instead of telling them to leave his sight but that is not what was asked here... Was purging of Stratholme the right choice: Yes... Did Arthas do it in the best way...: No...

[@nirtal3990]

As the soldier contemplated slaying the entire family a chilling scream came from behind him as he turned to the entrance of stratholm he realised the horror of the situation they all began to change saving anyone from turning was futile the only thing he could do is kill them before they turn to save thier souls from damnation allowing them atleast an acces to the afterlife... We never did get the soldiers perspective of the purge, what they saw how they felt if anything could have been done diffrently.

[@123loeser]

The hardest choices require the greatest sacrifice. Uther and Jainda just didn't knew what he knew. I dont think Arthas made the wrong choice. He would have given everything to protect his people. Having to make this choice must have been more difficult than almost any other choice that has been made in the lore.

[@kristiyangrigorov5232]

He actually gave everything in order to save his people. Sadly he became the very thing that destroyed them ... a puppet to the lich king

[@laziboi5285]

The citizens were dead as soon as they ate the infected grain he just put them out of their misery

[@nirtal3990]

More like saved thier souls

[@exxor9108]

So the dreadlords literally gave him the only choice to "press X to become the Lich King". That just goes to show how brokenly crafty they are.

[@dredgenauryx3382]

This is great... Something i've tried to tell people for ages... I have one thing to add tho... What if the two people that could have helped Arthas mentally and emotionally didn't abandon him at stratholme... What if they stayed if just at the gates so they could hlep his mental state after that fiasco... or I don't know... MAYBE... just maybe attack the already existing undead there... to take some heat of my base so I can focus on Mal'ganis and the purging...

[@reagenlionel]

For real! If anything its jaina and others fault for abandoning him. Worst yet they ridiculed him for the idea but offered no solutions that would not have taken long enough that to let the situation devolve into a worse scenario. And just left him to it on his own. What did they expect to happen afterwards? Did they not consider what and how this happen in the first place? They just peaced out and let him deal with a potential beginning of a world ending threat by himself?

[@TarnishedVagabond]

Thats the way I've looked at it. Imagine if the two people you rely the most on abandon you and the terror ahead, leaving you to deal with everything on your own. Just imagine actually walking away from that situation, what did they think would happen?? They let Arthas break. They abandoned their people AND they abandoned Arthas. You can't just do nothing.

[@nirtal3990]

I agree his best friend(with benefits) and his mentor abandoned him he was deprived of any solace and valuable advice during and after the purge they are imho the real vilians.

[@CarreRan_]

I am never prepared for seeing IRL Doron... :o

[@soumyakanta123patel4]

Keep up the good work doron!!Love your content!

[@Doronsmovies]

Thank you, appreciate it. :)

[@th3ra83]

Tbh I think mostly Jaina is at fault here. She is unlike Uther. She is literally with Arthas When they found Kel'thuzad and his mission. She f**king know it well and she even the one who told Arthas about the weirdness on the granary. I think she only told Uther to help Arthas, not ecplaining the whole grain plague and etc. That's why Uther is even surprised when Arthas said the situation they are in.

[@MrOrcshaman]

Arthas is in the maw because Uther and Devos went past the Arbiters judgement, so we don't even know if he would have been sent there or if the arbiter would have found him redeemable.

[@FelipeRodrigues-hw9kn]

Nice video! I understand that Arthas was in a very difficult situation, but I do not believe that he has thought of all the possibilities you mentioned. From the way the game's narrative was told it seems that purge was the only option that went through his mind. What bothers me is not so much what Arthas did, but the fact that he didn't even try to do something different. But ... Arthas REALLY purged the city of the undeads? Because Stratholme is now infested with spirits. When we think of Scourge we only remember zombies and skeletons, but ghosts and banshees are also very powerful enemies. Arthas prevented more walking corpses from joining the Scourge, but he did nothing to prevent the spirits of the dead from being enslaved.

[@Saffrone221]

The thing with purging is its ok if your not on the one of people being killed. Like lineage, some people believe being born in the right side of life is a universal law.

[@senusalcrusader9757]

This is one of the best lore videos yet

[@tiffles3890]

I wish you had provided links to the concept art pieces that you used in this video.

[@robertserban2422]

Just realised how similar the initial lorderon response to the plague was to our plague

[@fuchsraeude1294]

I was under the impression that he thought killing humans would be easier than killing their undead versions.

[@lstrin4845]

0:00-0:21 theme song name please?

[@lief3414]

Purging Stratholme? Sure. Being mean to Uther and leaving for Northrend? Nope.

[@th3ra83]

except Uther and Jaina was leaving him rot with his own decision and not even slightest want to listen to his story and tried to even stop him?

[@blablabla5026]

There were no time to establish carantine, since Mal'ganis already claimed souls within city. Act of culling was logical ang unfortunately necessary, but still monstrous

[@yoooooshiyoshiyoshiyoshi7763]

whats the theme in the begining? like in the first minute

[@chamathnadeeshan4008]

The problem is, Arthas didn't save Stratholme. He only gave them clean death. Stratholme even to this day covered of Undeads. My idea is to lockdown the city. It's combination of purge and quarantine. Purge slowly while qurantine. Everyone locked in houses. While silver hand march from door to door. Cause Paladins most effective against zombies and also immune to plague. Killing any zombies. Then further qurantine the survivors. After repeating of many times, they will able to save someone.

[@nirtal3990]

A clean death is basically saving thier souls what more can you ask for tbh.

[@chamathnadeeshan4008]

@@nirtal3990 They only cleaned physically. They still died of betrayal by their hero. They thought he will save him. Some people didn't know why there prince suddenly killed them. That's not save from a soul. Getting killed by gouls are still better than die by betrayal. But Arthas couldn't help that fact. But he didn't save their souls. He can't.

[@nirtal3990]

@@chamathnadeeshan4008 i always thought that killing them before they turn ment that they wont turn and thier souls would be saved. And while i see your point that in thier eyes it would look like betrayel and this might keep they stuck betwin the realms of life and death seeking an answer or even revenge for what was done to them, it was still a better option to kill them while they were more or less harmless since after they turn it would be close to imposible to take down such a large undead force.

[@chamathnadeeshan4008]

@@nirtal3990 Ye. It happened. Neutral mobs in City dungeon. They wave dance If you do with them. Arthas couldn't save them. Either way they die bad way. My best solution I said there in comments. Cause they are still mindless gouls. They don't think of escaping a prison cell. Also Scarlett crusade proves that they are able to hold even the biggest undead forces . Even under a dreadlord.

[@briqhtlord]

in that time Mal'Ganis just waiting for the paladins to help them all.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

Imagine in an alternate reality! Jaina asks Arthas and Uther to wait for her as she teleports to Dalaran to find help and knowledge; she finds the spell to reveal who is undead and who is not and with a group of mages at her side she teleports back; Jaina togheter with Arthas and Uther (both blessed and blessing others with light) they change history and save stratholme. (But of course they will realize that leaving Lordaeron was logical)

[@horrorfan117]

Stratholm is a huge city. To set up and maintain a quarantine of that size around the city would be a monumental effort that would take a huge bulk of Lordaeron's forces. Not only that but the Cult of the Damned would still be out there tainting grain shipments. Eventually it would make it's way to the soldiers maintaining the quarantine. Then all hell would break loose as a Scourge army would break free from Stratholm and overrun the kingdom. There was no time, no cure, and no way to detect the plague.

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

Worth a try🙂 Leave Lordaeron and survival is assured😉

[@robbindabank9038]

we all know that Arthas did nothing wrong just like Garrosh

[@bjuganda7758]

I don't know, Garrosh crimes are a lot more unforgivable than Arthas.

[@shahsoftinc.2459]

@@bjuganda7758 yeah

[@TarnishedVagabond]

@CountJimbo with that logic people are exactly the same. Its all mob mentality following a fanatical leader, people have done much worse things just following orders. Are we bloodthirsty savages?

[@lightests]

wtf? Why do people say Garrosh did nothing wrong? Everything is wrong with Garrosh. I can't recall a single redeeming quality about him.

[@JoeSmith-sl9bq]

Hmm not really, Theramore was at war with the Horde and since vanilla privateers raided Horde lands and trade. Bombing Theramore was more justified than culling Stratholme Battling the elves? It was the Elves who ambushed the Warsong and latter Alliance forces without even a attempt at parley. They declared war first in W3, it’s just that they don’t like losing.

[@oktaytasim2633]

I blame it all to Jaina and Uther, if they supported Arthas at Stratholme he wouldn’t go insane and follow Mal Ganis imo.

[@dredgenauryx3382]

Exactly... or maybe they couldn't stop him from going but the could have helped him not make the worse decisions of his life...

[@BrianLufia]

Jaina also blamed herself for that, but in the end it was Arthas' decision, he should be able to make his own choices as a paladin.. (Im not saying he was wrong to purge Stratholme, but to be triggered by MalGanis so easily was a bit stupid :D)

[@dredgenauryx3382]

@@BrianLufia Which part of this task nearly drove him insane did you not understand? Also Mal'ganis is a Dreadlords they are literal gods of deception, and manipulation... Manipulating one broken ass boit to chase you into the ends of the earth is not hard... Now what if Jaina and uther were there to give Arthas emotional support? He would more then likely not been such a broken ass boi and Mal'ganis would have had harder time manipulating him... Mal'ganis was literally offering a grand feast to a starving man...

[@kristiyangrigorov5232]

@@BrianLufia remember that Arthas was still a young guy mentally and enotionally. He needed guidance. His mentor (Uther) left him and he failed as a mentor. Jaina the love of his life who he recently reconected with left him alone to deal with the situation. Only in later expansion Jaima herself purged the whole Dalaran with elves. Stupidity at its finest lol

[@HavocHounds1988]

To add to the point that Arthas didn't like what he had to do, he actually started to feel his powers in the light fluctuate. This shows that he partly didn't think it was the right thing, and he was in conflict even with himself.

[@nirodi3012]

he was definitely right to purge stratholme(from a greater good standpoint of course), if the entire city was turned, they wouldve overrun the rest of lordaeron. imo Jaina ended up being arthas's downfall(even though i can hardly blame her for her choice), because lets be honest, if it was Jaina who wouldve been bleeding to death from an iceshard, then arthas wouldve never in a thousand years still picked up frostmourne.

[@dredgenauryx3382]

Absolutely correct!

[@alanhamilton634]

I kind of agree. I never saw any other option. I thought Uther and Jaina were short sighted.

[@Moose_vk]

I often forget how much of a Chad Doron is

[@zeppelinled3967]

and we have to take in the account the personality of Arthas, we can't just toss it out and say " he shouldn't have done this or that" because it will just take humanity out him and that humanity is why people love arthas as a whole.

[@peytonibarra8992]

He saw what the plague did to his people. I see the culling as him being merciful. Even if some of the people didn't eat the infected grain, they would have been torn to shreds by their neighbors or family. The Culling of Strathholme did damage Arthas though, his mind and soul forever tormented by the faces of shock and horror his own people had that day.

[@dragonblade8460]

I will watch this later hut without question he was doing what he believed to be right. There was no known way to reverse the plague of undeath. In my eyes he was 100% right. At least they died by his hand and not with malice in his hearr

[@maskedbandit9990]

Unless im misremembering theres STILL no way to reverse the plague, in icecrown there was a whole questline of trying to use near full power of the light, various dragonflights and natural powers to try and cleanse one hero to no avail. And if i recall when you turn undead your soul is tainted and cannot pass on, unless theyre retconning that with shadowlands

[@Akomarongg]

in short; no because if he waited literally like a month while keeping stratholme quarantined, mages of dalaran would've been able to erect a field around strat that kills only the undead and destroys the infection

[@damackabet.4611]

In short: yes, because if he waited literally like a month the city would have starved to death or died of dehydration. Not to mention the fact he have to keep his entire army pinned down in stratholme, while an entire cult of necromancers and plagued grain was spread throughout the kingdom. Their is also the fact at least a third of the city had eaten the plague grain by this point, a lot of zombies were going to start appearing and fast. Which would than be led by dread lords and members of the cult of the damned, because it be such a massive undead army by that point. Even if we assume absolute best scenario and hes able to quarantine the infected and kill those who will turn as soon as the infection takes route and they show signs, the majority of that city was already dead, the only question are they truly dead or undead. He still have to leave at least half of his army if he managed to quarantine the city, and have to purge their food supply as it was plagued.

[@honv1990]

bro think mal'ganis was just gonna sit there and wait for a month. Also if you waited that long might as well kill the entire city at that point because the people that didnt turn would be eaten alive and rise as undead anyway.

[@victoriamotta8054]

omg i was NOT prepared to see your facecam

[@reaper7910]

This is why Arthas is one of my favorite Warcraft characters, in fact, he's second only to Illidan for me and the only reason I like Illidan more than Arthas is because he looks cooler and Liam just has a godlike voice. Their lives were both twisted by the burning legion and had to make the hard choices, in Illidan's case, sacrificing his own troops to kill hordes of demons and Arthas razing a city to the ground. They were not the best of choices but it was either that or they get killed and their so called allies labeled them as monsters simply because they did what is necessary. How I wish Illidan and Arthas never ended up being enemies since in the end, I think Ner'zhul wanted revenge on Kil'jaeden, and who better to ally with than the one who wants the legion dismantled

[@rocko0214]

I am certainly not an Arthas apologist, but this one was a lose lose situation.

[@kiiima94]

Great video Doron!

[@Doronsmovies]

Thanks!

[@JamJestKesh]

I think if he didn't purge the city, it would get overrun by undead and be wiped out regardless, he'd be sent to get rid of undead, get teased by Mal'Ganis, and rest of story would go the same.

[@damackabet.4611]

well more likely he would lose even more of his precious lordaeron, were talking about probably the same population as stormwind here after all. Thats not a small amount of undead. Let me ask you with just normal forces no nukes or anything of that sort, could the usa afford to not purge new york if it was infected with the zombie plague. usa only has like 2million soldiers, even if they drafted new people it take time and resources.

[@workingpeon9316]

Arthas: Have you last Your Arthas, Arthas? Arthas: (Twirls around and claps his hands) have I, Arthas?

[@insanemang9983]

Still ended up as a scourge infested hell hole so...mabey

[@Tyrranid]

He should have just used holy light

[@Ashadow700]

Arguably the biggest mistake Arthas did was simply not hearing Uther out. When Uther said _"How can you even consider that?! There has got to be some other way"_ if, instead of banishing him out-right, Arthas had simply responded _"Well, what would you have us do then?"_ things might have gone very differently. Now, Uther almost definitely did not have any other solution, Stratholme most likely would have turned into a disaster no matter what, but a further conversation may have convinced Uther or at least Jaina to not leave Arthas. This, in turn, could lead to them possibly keeping him going to Northrend which would alter the entire timeline. Arthas not going to Northrend would mean that he would never take up Frostmoure, never killing his Father, never destroying Quel'Thalas, never raising Kel'Thuzad and never brining the burning legion to Azeroth. Sooo... I guess... moral of the story is: don't abandon your friends when they begin down a dark path or something?

[@jabodetabek1337]

I would argue that every second counts, if arthas had "planned" with Uther, with the Silverhand being a bunch of people that think they have the moral ground, they would not purge, resulting in the 2nd most populated city in all of Lordaeron to be entirely made up of undead, resulting in swarms of undead out of Stratholme.

[@efaristi9737]

I don't know. If there has been more time to find a solution, Arthas would have definetly be in the wrong but as you said, he was pressured by time (and likely under heavy stress). I am not convinced the recently infected, thoses still alive, couldn't have been cured not to mention the risk to kill unaffected peoples in the process. The mages of Dalaran could have come up with solutions. 4:15 Well, at least, the soldiers wouldn't have the death of their own kin on their hands and conscious. Better to kill undead monsters than humans citizens. 5:12 Reinforcements could have been easily and quickly call to, teleportations isn't just for show.

[@GWERT96]

I really miss him

[@Brugar18]

It would be important to compare arthas to thrall before events began. Thrall as a shaman got the vision and was capable to comprehend the fact that they don't stand any chance if they decide to stay in lorderon, so he had plenty of reason to go to kalimdor. For humans no one recieved a vision and were harder to convince them that the threat is too big to handle it at their very home, so the most reasonable thing mans along with arthas saw as fighting them which lead to further events and only handful of humans left the lorderon when shit was clear enough that isnt going well.

[@sosusavage04]

What do you think about my theory? Uther throwing Arthur’s into the maw was planned? What if Uther is working with the light and even Arthis to plant Arthis in the maw to be a spy on the jailer. Since we know now that all the events Arthur’s has done as a Lich king was mostly the jailers doing Arthis can redeem himself in the maw.

[@ilmansaidari9739]

I wonder if arbiter judges like dorons do it

[@dredgenauryx3382]

Probs would have which is why Devos skipped the Arbiter.

[@jaimemcarthur5623]

Truthfully, judging by that event alone had Arthas been in 40k he would not have been more than the typical Roger.

[@kokeanikilator]

The biggest mistake was made by Uther, abandoning Arthas at such a critical point, sure Arthas was brash but decisive action had to be taken and Uther as a war veteran should've known this

[@bakshev]

You know I start seeing a pattern here. In the Warcraft universe those who have to make the really tough and morally ambiguous, but effective decisions are branded as anti-heroes/villains, while those who make the morally good, but uneffective decisions are the heroes. Illidan did what he did to defeat the Legion, which at the time was the biggest threat to Azeroth and until WoW Legion he was a villain. Arthas purged an entire city of his own subjects to prevent a further spread of the plague, he's a villain. Garrosh started wars to secure a better life for the orcs, he's a villain too. Meanwhile Malfurion, Tyrande, the Aspects, Thrall, Anduin etc. have been coming up with feel-good ineffective decisions and yet they're the good guys.

[@dummy1085]

it shouldve been Lil Timmy

[@ghostrelicgaming6174]

Maybe he could of quarantined the city and waited for help. Yeah I feel purging it was right but out of anger and revenge he went to Nprthrend. He could of waited planned out like you said. Plus he sacrificed people and Mercs for his own path to Malganis. I feel he changed the moment he stepped on that boat or even when he told Uther to go away. Maybe he could of talk it out or something.

[@BLOrtega]

Trying to quarantine a large city while also fighting the Scourge with a Dreadlord leading them is an impossible task given the time they had and how many men they brought. When Arthas and his men arrived they were pretty much in a hurry, they couldn't even set-up a proper base

[@icecrown7324]

Death knight Arthas's legacy is bigger than the paladins prove me wrong

[@ExanimisQashqai]

totaly agree...even if he quarantined them,legion could free them and would be a mess...he just made smaller mess

[@dylanbrewer8605]

I wonder if Kel'Thuzad would ally with Sylvanas? It's likely to early to tell, but there is a possibility. We can assume Sylvanas would hate Kel'Thuzad nearly as much or just as much as Arthas, but we have seen hardly any evidence of this. In fact, the only time I can think of them interacting or talking to each other is when she tried to kill Arthas, but Kel'Thuzad made it there in time to save him. They are both cunning, intelligent agents of death with their own motives, so a mutually beneficial deal may not be a far fetch here. Only time will tell. Nice vid as always Doron! I think Arthas made the right choice.

[@Doronsmovies]

Thank you. That's interesting didn't even consider the relationship between the two.

[@semma88]

Finally a face with the voice!

[@Xalocin]

There was no other way. The people there would have died anyway very soon but they would have infected others. Arthas did nothing wrong until he picked up Frostmourne

[@RavenSaint1]

Arthas' purge of Stratholme was the right thing to do. Him following Mal'Ganis wasn't good, but he would never have learned about the Legion and what was coming and gave that extra time for the kingdoms (if they had listened and belived him whie he was alive) to build their own defenses against the Legion. The Necromancer that taught and helped Arthas after he became a Death Knight. Right up to him becoming the Lich King. After that Arthas, not Nerzuul was looking for power to start building the base he needed to fight the Legion. The one force that the Legion would have not been able to destroy easily without high losses on their side as well. Between Arthas' and Illidan's Armies, the Legion wouldn't have been able to get even the little foot hold they had gotten. At the end, Arthas had beaten Nerzuul and was in control of the entire Undead army he had up in Northrend. It was the murder of his father, who had backed up Uther's damning of Arthas without knowing the why behind the purge, even Jaina refused to listen about the problems Arthas had been witnessing, the reason for his chase of Mal'ganisthe, the seige to get control of the Sunwell that had failed. Arthas knew what was coming. Jaina was warned about what was coming. Kal'thas was informed, but ended up exiled to Outland by the humans he had saved. Thrall was told where to go and to prepare. Illidan went and built an army in Outland that would be part of the front lines, if he hadn't been stopped by the xenophobic and insane Maeve, it would have been even more ready for the Legion. Every "bad guy" that the players went up against up to Legion, minus Warlords (the players just changed that parallel dimension's path), were those who knew what was coming. Most people didn't read the Lore and find the little Easter Eggs that were leading up to Legion. All the warnings were there and both factions ignored them. This included the Dragons. The players were able to find lore and learn of the up coming battle. You had to explore and find the out of the way places over the years. The problem now is that many of those places were destroyed during the changes of the game by certain expansions. There are a few things still left hanging, but this was probably because the stories involving those things were scrapped and the main story was rushed forward. We, as players, ended up never being able to find the same clues that Arthas, Illidan, and others had experienced. This is just my opinion. My thoughts based off of years of playing WoW. I stopped playing after Legion. I had seen the end of the story that I had been following since Warcraft 3.

[@silentpriest3376]

Arthas did what nobody had the stomach to do. On top of that he did it Alone, no help from his friends no support from his mentor. If he had not done this nothing stops the undead from flushing out to attack other kingdoms.

[@ennazgaming]

Anyone else think that he looked totally different from what you pictured?

[@treshkun6257]

He thought it was a good choice It went badly That's all you need to know he wanted to do good

[@SnowEplays]

Glad I could make it Arthas

[@TheJacobhughes10]

could we see Arthas redemption in the shadowlands

[@panovcsikpatrik7127]

@BadBoy Coolio Why not? Everything is possible.

[@sneaksyranger]

Arthas' greatest crime was failing his people. You can argue how right/wrong the culling was. Yes, he made a hard choice. But when executing this action against the populace, he offers no sympathy, no understanding. If you go by WoW, "Prince Arthas! Weird stuff is happening! Please help us!" "I can only offer you a clean death.", and brains the guy out in full view of any onlooker. Anyone trying to leave is then cut down. Looking at the WC3 cinematic, the soldiers destroy the houses of the civilians and then cut them down. How kind. Did he really even stop anyone from getting scourged? Does a necromancer look at a plague victim that hadn't turned pre-death and think "Aww man, we missed our chance!" And finally, when faced with the growing problem of the Scourge in his home, does he stay to help resolve it? Nope. Off to Northrend. Dereliction of duty. Not fit to wear a crown.

[@damackabet.4611]

I think they burned the bodies after the purge, at least the majority of them. So he would have stopped quite a few from being made into undead.

[@eu29lex16]

I didn't actually purge the city ! I just waited for people to turn into zombies and then killed them ! All I did was kill undead and keep them from getting to Mal'ganis ! Then I realized you see this theme in zombie movies, you kill them after they turn, not before ! Also, the undead were not match for my knights, I didn't even need froustmourne !

[@DarknessLord1997]

To get this out of chest, Arthas is a prince trained to be a paladin trained by one powerful drawf and one of the best paladin on the planet, his Main priority was to defend his homeland and his people no matter what threat he face! No matter how difficult it may be! He never hesitated, and the undead Scourge was a enemy humans isn't very used to, and this plauge infected his people faster then they could think for a Solution so he goes killing the undead and infected ones and none because this threat would win anyway so uther didn't agree so didn't rest of the humanity but there where no other options the humanity is doomed no matter what If you were in this situasion What would you do?

[@KoaFidCZ]

I somewhere read Arthas did enjoy killing in his mind

[@dredgenauryx3382]

Now I will definitely call bullshit on that unless it is Arthas after Frostmourne...

[@nirodi3012]

the only thing i can think of what you mean is that after a while the people started attacking back, which made it "easier" for him because his survival instinct kicked in. but before frostmourne he definetely didnt enjoy killing at all

[@dredgenauryx3382]

Ok that would make sense

[@KoaFidCZ]

@@nirodi3012 no, he should literally have it as fun while purging

[@birisuandrei1551]

Arthas honestly made no mistakes until.... He ignored Medivh's advice and went to northrend, there's nothing in northrend but death afterall... And arthas honestly didn't have a chance to kill malganis without frostmourne which he didn't even know about until meeting muradin, so its ridiculous he thought he could stand a chance

[@BobbyFlay14]

Uther and jaina let him down. As friends and your future king That’s a burden to share. Not carry alone.

[@splintermahdi]

Finally saw you my mans Doron you look fresh af

[@DryBones271]

Absolutely right, if they had done nothing the plague would have spread even more quickly. The villagers couldn't be saved, and anyways Arthas killed "Zombie" if Arthas is evil for killing those villagers then so is Leon Kennedy.

[@nseven1117]

to me, he is neither hero or monster. he's a victim. a victim of manipulation at the hands of the dreadlords, kel thuzad, and nerzhul. really though this whole thing could have been avoided if they either went to kalimdor or as the ambassador said; to put the kingdom under strict quarantine.

[@mirufiyu4810]

How I wish the Paladin's Resurrection ability is something common. Imagine using it after Arthas murder these people. Like yeah 😂 anyways I agree with Uther that theres maybe some other way to do it. Also I wished he listened to Jaina more.

[@damackabet.4611]

They just needed whitemane's thighs, canonically she can resurrect the dead

[@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123]

Uther attacking Arthas would just make the treason accusation even more based and legitimate. So, what Uther could do is stayed in Stratholme and watch the evident by himself, since there are an undead bastion in the corner of the city, then sided with Arthas (like it or not, at least his hand is clean from blood of the innocent) and prevent him from going to Northern.

[@dredgenauryx3382]

YES THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY!!! IF UTHER AND JAINA WOULD HAVE FOUGHT THE ALREADY EXISTING UNDEAD THEY WOULD STILL HAVE HANDS CLEAN OF BLOOD AND BE ABLE TO HELP ARTHAS MENTALLY BUT NOOOOOOO!!!

[@lemuellala2]

He wasn't right, he wasn't wrong either. It's one of those things you are bound to make unpopular decisions in life for the good of many. I'm not saying Arthas' other actions belong in the same category as The Purge but The Purge was one of those things that Arthas had to do even if his hands were sullied by innocent blood, losing a friend and a love interest, for the good of Lordaeron back then.

[@veslar]

Yes, Arthas had to do that. In my opinion, that was not the moment that have turned Arthas into a villain. That moment came, when he intended to chase Mal'ganis into Northrend. Arthas have purged Stratholme out of necessity, not for some vanity or desire for vengeance to fuel his ego. Uther was too self-righteous to see the truth in Strathholme. "There must be a some other way". No, there is not always some "other way". Sometimes the right thing to do is not always the prettiest thing to do.

[@MrWildChannel]

Is that Pilav's voice? 😂

[@harithhasrat2671]

There is no cure. So no, Arthas did the right thing

[@sirdiealott]

I don't know why it has taken me so long to actually watch this video, but I actually got a reply from the guy who made the level. Basically he said the "right" answer was to run. But run where? Away from your supplies and fortifications? The way I see it, Arthas saved Azeroth by delaying the undead invasion (even if he did lead it later on) so that the alliance at the world tree was formed and ready. Keep in mind, canonically, they only barely got things in place to defeat Archimonde. The whole final level of WC3 was to delay just long enough. Without Arthas, they aren't barely in time. They are weeks too late. And THIS is forgetting he set off on his own, and rather than reinforce him when he had a beachhead, he was undermined by his father and the leadership of Lordaeron. Could the mages of Quel'thalas and the Kirin'tor at the height of their power have defeated the Lich King and completely avoided the summoning of Archimonde? We will never know.