What If Arthas Never Conquered Quel'Thalas?

[@Doronsmovies]

How do you guys think this would have affected the timeline? I'd like to thank the viewer VladtheImpala72 for the idea for this video. Also if you guys haven't checked it out Doron's Academy will be re-launching soon. bit.ly/SecondChannelDoron

[@marcoscorpas2752]

I think the Horde without the Forsaken would have continued looking for allies in Kalimdor. Do you think the Night Elves would have joined Thrall's Horde due to both cultures revering the spirits or some other common ground?

[@Doronsmovies]

Doubt it due to what they had done to the forests of Ashenvale.

[@marcoscorpas2752]

@@Doronsmovies, you should cover that part of the timeline in another video. Maybe the Horde would be at war with the Night Elves or maybe Thrall could at least make peace between them and admonish Grom's actions.

[@acid0philus]

He could have gone for Mt Hyjal, and the lich would have been even more powerful than using the sunwell. The sunwell was made using a single vial from the original well of eternity, which had brought the legion to Azeroth to begin with. The second well of eternity used three, and thus was far more potent than the well in Quel'Thalas. And being able to secure that font would have been tremendous for the Scourge.

[@夏神帝晉神帝司馬-公]

@@Doronsmovies What If Arthas Made Uther Into A Death Knight Of The Undead Scourge ?

[@LordTelperion]

Additional points of information: Quel'Thalas wasn't just a powerful member of the Old Alliance that needed to be cleared away for the Burning Legion/Undead to conquer territory: the demons' master plan to conquer Azeroth was SO much more than physical domination, they needed spiritual/magical domination of the world more. The High Elves (along with their colony of Dalaran) represented the ultimate spiritual/magical defense of Azeroth, as they maintained the great barriers (those powered by the monolithic rune-stones and the Ban'dinoriel powered by the Sunwell itself) that not only defended Quel'Thalas physically, but also spiritually. The shields allowed the High Elves to perform and teach Arcane magic without attracting demons to Azeroth and empowering them enough to break through the veil and manifest in the world. It was in fact Mankind's foolish decision to ignore High Elven warnings about erecting similar shields which would lead to ultimate disaster (thinking instead that the creation of Guardians to hunt down demons drawn to the world by humanity's wanton use of magic would somehow be a better idea). In conclusion, by destroying Quel'Thalas the Scourge killed three birds with one stone: raising Kel'Thuzad which would lead to summoning Archimond, defeating a powerful enemy military, and destroying the source of the magical barriers that prevented the Burning Legion from entering the world. Let us all curse the name of Dar'Khan Drathir forever.

[@efaristi9737]

i didn't know the Elves give such advice to the humans. But didn't thay participates at the creation of the Guardians?

[@finnheisenheim8274]

Well the elves did warn humans about the wanton use of magic destroying the fabric of reality but they didn't warn or teach them to erect barriers, the elves just told humans to stop using magic

[@vulpesnicolas7246]

Based on info from "Warcraft Chronicles": The High Elves taught 100 humans to the arcane arts as part of their cooperation with the humans against the Amani trolls during the troll wars. After the defeat of the Amani, the human Empire of Arathor ruled for awhile, until it fell apart, forming the human kingdoms. Dalaran was one of them, where a mage named Ardogan gained respect and popularity, becoming its leader. He began to draw mages to the city, who were shunned by the superstitious people, making Dalaran grow more bigger and powerful. While just a portion of the populance were mages, they were the key to Dalaran's prosperity, but the careless use of magic drew the attention of the demons. The wizards fought them off, while keeping quiet about it and turned to the Elves for advice. They told them what to do, but the mages ignored it, refusing to limit the usage of magic, fearing to lose their high position if they limited the usage of magic. So they kept the truth under wraps and formed the Order of Tirisfal to secretly fight the demons. Then came the Guardians, the heavy responsibility and the growing corruption in the order, which lead to Aegwynn and we know the rest.

[@dylanbrewer8605]

Good to see your still hard at work in the lore! Keep up the good work.

[@Doronsmovies]

Thank you, appreciate the kind words.

[@Skollshorties]

They'd still be called "Sin'dorei" because they would be able to go to Goldshire Inn on the Alliance. Get it? SIN?

[@senusalcrusader9757]

O ma ga

[@Skollshorties]

@WowJedi You missed the point of my joke and I am upset.

[@Skollshorties]

@WowJedi Something always happens in Goldshire. And always bad.

[@eagleflies9515]

@@Skollshorties what happens in Goldshire stays in Goldshire

[@aleksandarvil5718]

*Sylvanas Windrunner and Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider joined this chat*

[@wilwailes1834]

"That isn't even that poweful" lol Kel'thuzad is the most powerful Lich the Lich King had because of the Sunwell boosting all of powers drastically and all of his previous magical experience.

[@erickchristensen746]

He wasn't that string initially he meant. The sunwell of course boosted him drastically afterwards

[@minasseracnr5953]

Kael'thas and Garithos would have still alive too :D

[@zsushi3316]

Not really garithos would be slain by dreadlords or mind controlled

[@sergiogonzales330]

@@zsushi3316 Why would dreadlords be there in the first place if The Scourge didn't control the Eastern Kingdoms?

[@ardeyn6190]

@@sergiogonzales330 Just remember that Dreadlords can possess corps such as Saidan Dathrohan.

[@ОбальдМногострельный]

Thanks to Arthаs for attacking Quel'Thalas, which was one of the factors that led the Blood Elves into the Horde. Thanks, Arthаs)

[@Doronsmovies]

Haha I guess there's always a good side to every event.

[@thebigidea9659]

I'd say the main thing that drove them to Horde was Garithos being a racist prick and purposefully sending the belves on suicide missions.

[@Doronsmovies]

Yeah that was a big component.

[@ОбальдМногострельный]

@@thebigidea9659 And this too! I love Garitos)))

[@JBTriple8]

ummmm One blood elf remained Neutral my Girl valeera sanguinar

[@夏神帝晉神帝司馬-公]

What If Arthas Made Uther Into A Death Knight Of The Undead Scourge ?

[@sejandreiso2359]

Finally another video this was worth the wait. Plus excellent quality

[@Doronsmovies]

Thank you very much appreciate the kind words.

[@MarkD5678]

@4:20, also, Sylvanas explicitly spelling it out to Arthas to his face how to bypass the gates didn't help out either. And without Kel'Thuzad, the Dreadlords would need some other way to summon Archimonde and kick off the Legion's invasion in the first place.

[@JStryker47]

Nor did waiting until the last minute to send for help from Silvermoon, or sending runners alone and unprotected. If she was wise, she would've sent a messenger on a dragonhawk to the city, as soon as the undead first appeared.

[@efaristi9737]

@@JStryker47 I read the novel about Sylvanas and the conquest of Quel'thalas. She displayed the most common and worst flaw of elves: Arrogance. When she was alerted of the Scourge advances, she set a ambush to Arthas and had the opportunity to strike him down with one silent surprise attack. But she felt it wouldn't leave her with much of a tale to tell to her children or boast about so instead of attacking, she loudly warned Arthas to not come any further (as if he would listen), confident to won the battle for sure. Thus making Arthas aware of her presence and when the assault started and she tried to kill him with a well placed arrow, he parred it because he knew from her voice where Sylvanas was and saw the arrow coming.

[@JStryker47]

@@efaristi9737 Damn... she was even dumber than I thought! How she ever reached the rank of General, I'll never understand. In fact, I'm surprised she wasn't disgraced by the blood elves for her incompetence, in the aftermath. That also reminds me of a scene from Sierra's Robin Hood game, Conquests of the Longbow; when the outlaws prepare to ambush a treasure caravan sent by Prince John to the abbey. Each of the men offers a different plan of attack, with Alan-a-Dale saying that there's no glory in an ambush, since he couldn't write a song about it. So his plan is to show themselves from the overlook, with horns blaring and drums beating, singing the praises of King Richard, and opening fire on the soldiers only if they refuse to surrender. (You still succeed if you choose that plan, but you lose a lot of men in the process.)

[@efaristi9737]

@@JStryker47 Well, apparently, she wasn't meant to, Alleria was supposed to become Ranger-General but she didn't wanted to, she wanted to explore the world and open Quel'thalas to the outside. Sylvanas being second in line, the mantel was given to her. I suppose they didn't because what they remember, maybe what they want to remember, is that Sylvanas gave her life without hesitation to give her people(or some of them) the time to reach Silvermoon. Yeah lol, that's more or less that XD

[@reevarwow245]

Stopping Arthus was a plan the infinate Dragon flight wanted, so your scenarios could have also lead to the old gods winning. If we had not gone to Northrend Yogg would have escaped unnoticed, and we may not have stopped Deathwing as well. So we could now be living in the Black Empire rather than waiting for it in 9.0.

[@Eyawork]

Dude ilidan free yogg sharon in accident when he try to use the eye of sargers to sink all icecrown and even all northrend to the ocean, I guess with weak undead and blood elves(for good reasons) ,he will not use the eye of sargers and kil narzul

[@senusalcrusader9757]

Hey Doron! I was thinking about this for a long time. Can you do a top 10 most physically strong races in WoW?

[@Doronsmovies]

A very interesting idea, thanks.

[@senusalcrusader9757]

@@Doronsmovies ur welcome

[@jfkwkfk8867]

Doronsmovies yes pls make a video about that

[@mistakenoddball8376]

Keep up the good work!!

[@Doronsmovies]

Thank you, really appreciate it. :)

[@codyray3344]

we able to stop the burning legion invasion at mount Hyjal because the human, orc, and night elf factions worked together. if Lordaeron was less ravegaed and quickly rebuilt as is suggested, then they wouldn't have traveled to Kalimdor and we might have not been able to defeat the legion.

[@heroicxidiot]

you should do a what if Arthas didn't succumb to the whispers of the Lich King or even Frostmourne but rather, expelled the dark influences that would have made him the Lich King

[@Niar_Production_Official]

Well, dude.. there's one big territory that we can't reach yet.. (only before the WOD) '' Quel'Thalas '' and there lies something, I really don't know what.. but, I think that Blizz planed something big.. Quel'thalas is so mysterious land.. :D

[@Marshmallowcookie]

I've read your comment about 5 times and I still can't understand what you mean

[@Niar_Production_Official]

@@Marshmallowcookie Ah, dude.. then, you don't know much about Azeroth's territories. :/ Do you know about Quel'Thalas? between Lordaeron (Undercity) / Eastern Plaguelands & Ghostlands, you have UNREACHABLE Territory called '' Quel'thalas '' go - how to get Quel'thalas (on KZbin) you will know what I'm talking about. Thanks. :D

[@R3member1]

What if Doronmovies would only do videos based on lore and facts and not on pure speculation

[@ogikay7056]

Wouldnt yogg saron escape from its prison because there wont be a campaign in Northrend?

[@Doronsmovies]

Good point should have also mentioned that. However, it is entirely possible that we would arrive to Northrend because the Old God threat started spreading.

[@HeyPachuco]

that mainly depended on the titan constructs activity. while the intention was to loosen yogg-sarons restraints. Loken did not free him. Mainly because of the Observers last resort., were Loken to die. it would activate a beacon that would send a transmit of the observers designate and purge all life on azeroth. and restart the process. while Lokens activity was in process of the old gods influence. Loken did not free Yogg-saron, nor did he have the intention to do so in the first place. twilights hammer attempted to breach the prison and free them but they couldn't because of the war between thorium and Arngrim, in addition to the defense mechanisms surrounding uldular that constantly prevented intruders from simply walking in. its a debateable thought. but I beileve maybe because of the adventurers campaign in northrend was why Yogg-saron was free in the first place.

[@ogikay7056]

HeyPachuco Oh this is from chronicle right? I didint read it. Was talking about what we have seen in Wotlk Ulduar

[@HeyPachuco]

@@ogikay7056 not really. just analyzing it from the expansion itself. the war with Thorium and Arngrim was explained in Storm peaks questline. and the twilights hammer was inside uldular and the fallen kingdom. however in cataclysm it explained that Cho'gall sent an infiltration team from the cult and release yogg-saron from Uldular

[@ogikay7056]

HeyPachuco Only thing i know is yogg saron would get free if we didint stop him

[@19fcbayernfan97]

Then the sindorei would be the strongest Military in the whole game and we had a much more beautiful town to chill afk

[@rexnoct5810]

now this is an interesting topic, so much would be different if he hadn't

[@Crazy7076]

So if the Elves killed Arthas and Illidan managed to destroy the Frozen Thron we would have Warcraft 3 Schadowlands

[@xwingz13]

if this happened the Jaina x Thrall ship would've never set sail

[@lazartasev2496]

xwingz13 nope

[@IVPixel]

cringe

[@lukasred7]

Would Illidan destroy Ner'Zhul? Since if I remember correctly Arthas pointed Illidan to the skull of Guldan when the legion was invading. Which then killed Mal'Ganis and led to Illidan's exile. Then serving the legion to kill Ner'Zhul. Yeah, a ton would change if Arthas died.

[@julianmarco4185]

I highly doubt that the Elves had that kind of power to defeat the Undead. They seemed pretty weak in the Frozen Throne compared to the humans.

[@spacemonkey2322]

There is a novel about arthas when hè became a lich king. In the novel its said hè killed nerzul. And the kid arthas his last good. So what would happen if arthas dindt kill his last good would hè sit on the Frozen throne? Would hè battle old gods? Would hè use the Cult of the damned During the cataclysm to wipe out the Twilight?

[@caetanofernandes8438]

Top lore channel!

[@Shickeri]

Here is one.. what if the narzul from wod put on the lk helm.

[@KristianTutunovic]

Ehm there would be no Legion invasion and Night elfs wouldnt have joined teams with Jaina and Thrall and remain in alliance, Malfurion would still slumber in Emerald dream, Grom Hellscream wouldnt defeat Cenarius cus he wouldnt drink blood of Manoroth im Ashanvale, and the list goes on

[@efaristi9737]

Is true that it seems overkill to me to use the Sunwell to resurect one miserable Lich that isn't that much powerful. 4:16 It's literally stated in lore that Arthas would have never gone through Quel'thalas defenses without the help of Darkhan the Traitor. So it's not that ridiculous. Silvermoon literally withstanded on its own the combined might of the Orcs and the Amani Trolls suported by a army of Red Dragons. If that doesn't show you how poweful the High Elves used to be, what could ? 5:45 And the Burning Legion would have had a harder time conquering Lordaeron the second time.

[@-engereksizkanal-]

illidan: yea so there must always be a lich king kael: are you sure master... İllidan: yea control must be maintained or something like that vashj: my lord are you just trying to pull another skull of guldan move here? illidan: no! ofc not i am doin this for power.. i mean people

[@omegatrion9959]

Lich King is dead 7years ago bolvar is noting.

[@xenolyn2962]

well if that never happened we would never discovered Yogg-Saron in northernd

[@jesserothhammer7378]

Kael'Thazad was raised to summon Archimond. Not because Kael'Thazad was largely powerful in and of himself.

[@Doronsmovies]

I'm aware but as far as I can recall he was summoned with the help of Dalaran.

[@jesserothhammer7378]

That doesn't mean anyone else had the know how to use the knowledge in the book of medhiv. Even Arthas asks immediately after what would happen to them, because it's apparent he and Kael'Thazad weren't needed anymore. The legion wanted Archimond and Azeroth and the humans and elves out of the picture. They weren't needed anymore.

[@ventezcamilo]

Dude...the scourge destroyed azjol' nerub, slow but they did it Que'l thalas wouldn't be a problem

[@coriolanusrex]

Do Cortana's story, and ofc great video mate.

[@adam0893]

Keep it up artyom!

[@TZisis]

Hello Doron.Nice video as always bud.Thanks god someone is knowledgeable of the lore ;DD I would like to ask you if you could do a video mentioning classes of the game that we have never seen in-game?? (Like Demon hunters wich is the last class we saw!!)

[@KroesGaming]

Don't know who the new sponsor is, but I'm glad it isn't G2A any longer '^^ If I ever logged back into G2A again I would have to pay a HUGE "inactivity bill" for... "not being logged into my account for a long time"...? hehe what?! What is the matter with them! There has always been a huge controversy of them screwing over game developers, and then now they decided to screw over their customers by "fining" them for being absent from their site ':D Anyways... Always enjoy your videos, and happy to see we might not get greeted by G2A in every intro in the future.

[@Flavorless13]

*CHALAA!! QUEL!! THALAAAAAS!!*

[@Flavorless13]

*CHALAA!! QUEL!! TALAAAAAS!!*

[@theautumnfox9890]

(sorry i cant speak english, i know a littly ) Si los altos elfos como tal seguían siendo estos (Arthas no invade) entonces no solo es que la horda no tiene a la forsaken, tampoco tendría a los elfos de sangre, ya que los altos elfos están en la alianza, y como estos están bien estables y siguen poderosos, sería un aliado importante en la reconquista de dalaran y muy valorado por la faccion.

[@intzbk1]

Did you get a new sponsor or did they just change their name? The site looks eerily familiar...

[@Doronsmovies]

Indeed I have, I've terminated my contract with G2A and started working with Eneba.com

[@zes3813]

wrg, arthas just idtc

[@gameboi360]

#arthasdidnothingwrong

[@stormrage9666]

Arthas returning?

[@gus3330]

Doron - stops taking money from a shady third party game key website, cause criticism. Takes money from another with a prettier logo

[@combustiblelemone4961]

rip no more g2a

[@petterituovinem8412]

enema.com xDDD

[@TN51234]

I hate elfs and fact he didnt wipe them off completly.

[@Dogmelter42]

I'm torn between my loyalties to Caesar and my wish for playable High Elves... Ave, true to Caesar.

[@LordTelperion]

Tolkien feared people like you would one day come...