Was Frank Sinatra a Gentleman?

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@MrFenris75 8 ай бұрын

The only difference between saints and sinners is that every saint has a past while every sinner has a future. -Oscar Wilde

@Gent.Z 8 ай бұрын

Great quote, very true

@KingDavid071 7 ай бұрын

We are all sinners, there never were and never will be any saints other than Jesus Christ. If you dinr believe me just ask yourself how many lies have you told in your life. Or have you ever looked with lust, or hated someone, maybe took Gods holy name in vain... no saints but Christ

@mickeymouse1398 3 ай бұрын

@@Gent.Z I think with Oscar Wilde though it was more of a case of wishful thinking - his portrait of Dorian Grey showed what he secretly knew about himself, his outer ego just a mask, which the opinion forming idiots fell for.

@sammajor2075 8 ай бұрын

When Cillian Murphy took the stage to accept his well-deserved Oscar for "Oppenheimer",he took time to individually shake hands with each of the five previous winners on stage. He was the only winner that night,who did this. Glad he made your list.

@thecapone45 8 ай бұрын

I personally consider Nat King Cole more of a gentleman. The man was such an inspiration, kind, honorable, wasn’t hateful to people and so talented (his Spanish accent is so good). Awesome gentleman.

@cms3000 8 ай бұрын

Woke comment

@danielalec 8 ай бұрын

Nat King Cole is a class act.

@theruggedscholar1544 8 ай бұрын

Nat King Cole was a womanizer.

@voozoo1606 8 ай бұрын

He smoked too, too much!!

@devindemond1972 8 ай бұрын

Nat was certainly not perfect. Who is? We can strive to become virtuous men at best. If you were to analyze his life as a whole, his legacy leaned more positive than negative. Frank was certainly no angel either. Once again, his legacy has had more of a positive effect on the masses than negative. Those that knew them intimately…their experiences were obviously quite different in comparison to the public at large. Cary Grant was “physical” with his first wife. This was obviously wrong. Some of his pursuits were also much younger women. How do we see his legacy? How shall he be judged?…

@DuhcoatahhASMR 8 ай бұрын

I LOVE how frequently you post

@Gent.Z 8 ай бұрын

Thank you. It’s a lot of work but I love making these videos

@GHhhh-wx2my 8 ай бұрын

I think Christopher Lee would be a great gentleman for you to review. Love the quality and quantity of your posts

@diego-rm2oy 7 ай бұрын

Yes!

@KevinHochstatter 8 ай бұрын

Sinatra was tipping the kid that brought his car to him. "What's the biggest tip you ever got, Kid?" "Three hundred dollars, Mr. Sinatra" the Kid replied. Frank then peeled of four Franklins and gave it to him. "Gee, Thanks" was all he could stammer out, several times. "Who gave you the $300, Kid?" "YOU DID, LAST WEEK, MR. SINATRA!"

@Stickman2030 8 ай бұрын

I will have to steal this joke. First rate.

@classicdriving2055 8 ай бұрын

Sinatra was my role model as a teen , I used to dress like him and listen to all of his songs , I’ve read many books about him and I would say my favourite is “the last word on mr s “ which was written by his valet and gives a great insight to the chairman’s life and women .

@mikehess4494 8 ай бұрын

Thank for the informational video, Gent.Z. I will keep my judgments of others to myself and focus on being the best person I can.

@arcabuz 8 ай бұрын

The ideal gentleman is a goal, a reference. A demanding one. Rarely a human being can ever fulfil an ideal. We’re flawed and so was Frank. That’s all.

@Gent.Z 8 ай бұрын

I agree

@theruggedscholar1544 8 ай бұрын

Many men can become an ideal gentleman. Too many men have permitted Wall Street, Saville Row, Madison Avenue, Hollywood, Bollywood, et cetera to create an erroneous and unrealistic standard for masculinity.

@sirloollonator 6 ай бұрын

Just what I wanted to comment. No one can reach the apex of perfect behaviour, but everyone can try his best to be the best version of himself.

@gmfc1 8 ай бұрын

A true gentleman will recognize that all men are flawed, including themselves. The key is to take the good parts and apply them, and use the bad parts as wisdom for what not to do.

@sammajor2075 8 ай бұрын

Great vid. Insightful. Please do more of these on various public figures.

@diego-rm2oy 7 ай бұрын

Do one about The King, Elvis 🙌

@Mrvictorfernandes 8 ай бұрын

Once, during the filming of "Young At Heart" after Frank and Doris Day finished an emotional scene, a crew member threw a box of Kleenex at Doris that unfortunately missed and hit her forehead by accident. Frank caught this - thinking that the crew member had deliberately hurt Doris - snapped at the man and exploded, "Don't you ever do that! You don't throw things at a lady, understand?" That little story says something about the complexity of Frank's character. Courteous and considerate while at the same time intolerable and coarse. Years later, when Doris would speak of this incident she would say, "Nowadays when I pull a Kleenex out of a box, I think of Frank."

@butterkaffee910 8 ай бұрын

Frank was 100% correct here

@stpeteaustin 8 ай бұрын

I was a big fan of his until I read, Mr. S, My Life With Frank Sinatra by George Jacobs. Mr. Jacobs was his personal valet and assistant. Sinatra had a habit of making passes at the wives and girlfriends of his friends. Because of whom he was he could get away with it. That behavior alone removes him from being considered a Gentleman. You may want to take a look at the work of Leonard Cohen, his music was amazing, and he was a man of style.

@ClassicTor 8 ай бұрын

So you just instantly believe when someone makes a story and a book of someone famous just for a cashgrab...

@stpeteaustin 8 ай бұрын

@@ClassicTor Overall, the book speaks very highly of Sinatra. The author was his personal valet for years. The part about him hitting on his friends' wives and girlfriends is very powerful and hard to overlook. It is a small part of the whole package. On a more personal note, my aunt was related to Jimmy Roselli by marriage and my father was a friend of his, the way Sinatra went out of his way to destroy and keep down Roselli is a whole other issue and another reason I would not think of Sinatra as a Gentlemen.

@pensivepenguin3000 Ай бұрын

Eh it was a different time

@romp6969 8 ай бұрын

I think Sinatra was a gentleman. Being an older gentleman myself, he had the traits of many of the men who shaped my life in my formative years. Those men were generous, dedicated to their careers, and exhibited what we call classic style. All of them also had a temper and did not take disrespect from others; especially other men. Sinatra reminds me of these gentlemen. However, none of these men (at least to my knowledge) were unfaithful to their wives. I do not recall any of them being divorced and they were married for decades; literally till death do you part. They were not perfect though. On the contrary they had flaws, doubts, and insecurities. All of those attributes were present in spite of success, family, nice homes, respect in the community, and financial stability. They were not merely gentleman but men-human. They like us were in the same boat: to be observed and learned from, perhaps liked or disliked, and maybe even loved, but never idolized.

@theruggedscholar1544 8 ай бұрын

The Rat Pack were unfaithful to their wives! Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., Joey Bishop et cetera, were very talented entertainers, who had poor habits.

@romp6969 8 ай бұрын

It is evident that the rat pack, along with many other entertainers, politicians, businessmen, and even clergy and philanthropists were unfaithful to their spouses. Thus the reason men should not be idolized. As I stated, none of the men who shaped my life (at least to my knowledge) were unfaithful to their wives. My life was not influenced by the rat pack. @@theruggedscholar1544

@pensivepenguin3000 Ай бұрын

My theory is that a majority of men have been unfaithful to their partners at some point. We only know about it when it happens to the famous ones

@deannoble673 8 ай бұрын

Huge fan of Sinatra and he was certainly a complicated man. A product of the environment he grew up in and also a victim of his own bipolar disorder. In fact he often referred to himself as a 24 carat manic depressive. But at his best he was class personified.

@martinkarp9298 7 ай бұрын

interesting about him admitting being a manic depresive. A human being like us all.

@Aliceteacup 8 ай бұрын

Sinatra was an enormously talented and distinctly stylish crooner who set a standard for his genre that still continues to be mimicked today. Whether he was a gentleman or not is a judgement only those who knew him well can authentically make. He was certainly an original.

@jadenlyricMusic 8 ай бұрын

I believe he was flawed but he was a good man at heart as he stood up for what was right some of his stuff was inexcusable but still i think he was a person with morals and a brilliant musican so i say in a way yes he is a gentleman.

@TheVleckChannel 8 ай бұрын

Simon Crompton posted an article a few years ago about class and the differences between Sinatra and Dean Martin (who reportedly possessed much more of it).

@gelchert 8 ай бұрын

Dean always seemed a bit closer to earth than Frank did. He wasn’t even a drunk in real life - that was just part of his shtick.

@martinkarp9298 7 ай бұрын

@@gelchert also loved Dino

@nilesroberts3821 8 ай бұрын

I've always thought actor Patrick McGoohan had a lot of class; a true gentleman if ever there was one (he starred in Secret Agent, and The Prisoner). He never attained the fame of Sinatra of course. Kindly consider him.

@dinardo72 3 ай бұрын

"For me, a tuxedo is a way of life. When an invitation says black tie optional, it is always safer to wear black tie. My basic rules are to have shirt cuffs extended half an inch from the jacket sleeve. Trousers should break just above the shoe. Try not to sit down because it wrinkles the pants. If you have to sit, don't cross your legs. Pocket handkerchiefs are optional, but I always wear one, usually orange, since orange is my favorite color. Shine your Mary Janes on the underside of a couch cushion." THE RULES 1. It takes two hands to put on a hat the right way: Back brim curled up, front tugged down to a couple of inches above the right brow. 2. Never wear brown at night. Never. 3. There's no excuse for brown shoes past sundown.... Or white shoes. Or anything gray, unless it's deep charcoal. Or blue, unless it's midnight blue. In fact, let's keep it simple: after dark, men should wear black. 4. Ties should be silk. And conservative. 5. Cuff links always. But leave the fancy jewelry to Sammy. 6. When dressing formally, a vest is better than a cummerbund. 7. Don't wear a tuxedo on Sunday. 8. Having messy closets is like putting on clean clothes over dirty underwear. 9. The shower is a great place to steam out the wrinkles in your dinner jacket. 10. Orange is the happiest color. 11. Don't hide your scars. They make you who you are. 12. When it comes to pockets, everything should have its own place. 13. A pocket handkerchief is essential, but it needs to be perfectly folded. 14. Shine your shoes. 15. Trim. Buff. Clean. 16. Take your hand off the suit, creep.

@Stickman2030 8 ай бұрын

Those interested in the lore of Frank might enjoy "The Way You Wear Your Hat, Frank Sinatra and the Lost Art of Livin'," by Bill Zehme. Thanks for these videos -- the guidance is sorely needed, and I hope well-received by today's young men.

@ryanspaulding6057 8 ай бұрын

Quincy Jones said Sinatra was bipolar

@ericgeneric135 8 ай бұрын

Great, nuanced video! I appreciate Sinatra's style, his voice, and his commitment to ending racial segregation, but he was far from a perfect person. It's always good to acknowledge the virtues and flaws of everyone, including ourselves. Edit: A much better illustration of a true gentleman, though, is Tony Bennett (one of my favorite singers ever).

@devindemond1972 8 ай бұрын

Good topic to debate!!

@kenneth7826 8 ай бұрын

FRANK WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF BOARD..PERIOD

@laurentiugiuroiu3262 8 ай бұрын

Dean Martin next please!

@gerrydodds 8 ай бұрын

Why did you move to Chicago? Love your videos.

@nightrider12soul 8 ай бұрын

Gentleman with mob attitude. He could say drop dead bambino.He was a more then a gentleman.He was the man in true sense of the word.

@kevinderrickson2759 8 ай бұрын

Though his style and charm overlap nicely with gentlemanly behavior, I'd say not exactly... and this is not necessarily a bad thing. Francis Albert was ever the ethnic Catholic, a good Italian boy from Hoboken. The sensibility of a gentleman is Anglo Protestant in its marrow, and will always prefer a manner and aesthetic that's more reserved and controlled than what you'd find with a hot-blooded Southern European (or New Jerseyan).

@sammajor2075 8 ай бұрын

👍 👍 👍

@jeffreydaniels7519 7 ай бұрын

Sinatra was the consummate gentleman until he wasn’t. I paraphrase, but I believe he used to say treat a lady like a whore and a whore like a lady. My father was not a friend of Frank Sinatra but an acquaintance. He was invited to Franks house in Palm Springs for a meeting back in the late 70’s. My Father was a big fan and described his visit as very jovial and hospitable. I remember my father playing his songs back in the 60’s up to the year he died in 2013. Sinatra songs still profoundly bring me back to my childhood. My father was one of the great AD men of the era and I would describe him as a cross between Roger and Don Draper in the series MadMen. Wore similar suits, drank whiskey, martinis and smoked cigarettes at his office. Only my father’s life was actually more interesting.

@tomdiprose4354 8 ай бұрын

A look into Oscar Wilde would be interesting.

@the.rogue.roman.77 8 ай бұрын

Any man who can kiss Grace Kelly is a certified gentleman.

@darbyheavey406 8 ай бұрын

This was a very fair assessment of a complicated man. The nightclub scene was controlled by organized crime so I understand that side of him.

@davidk2906 7 ай бұрын

A gentleman is not a narcissist in the very least . Such people are reckless ,negative, contemptuous and insensitive people who constantly behave in a callous, inappropriate and undignified manner . For a celebrity vulnerable to narcissism . Frank Sinatra gets a pass as gentleman. Narcissists are given to the seven deadly sins. You can check off rage and lust for Frank, but in the end of the day he was a pretty classy and well liked guy. Thanks.

@mickeymouse1398 3 ай бұрын

Thinking more about this, I suddenly realise that the word gentleman cannot be applied to an American or anyone not English. But then, I'm quite old school :)

@lynn5447 8 ай бұрын

Whilst Sinatra had some gentlemanly characteristics, his drinking, temper and violence abnegate that appellation. So does his connection to the Mafia. Gentlemanliness is about behavior and your inner state, not just about clothes and throwing money around. His generosity is admirable. His fights were not. He was not a gentleman.

@JamesRDavenport 8 ай бұрын

I am also a fan of Sinatra's music and style. That said, I would not classify him in the Gentleman category. He could be a very selfish and destructive person in his personal life.

@davidbiagini9048 8 ай бұрын

I guess the question is, does a gentleman have to be perfect? Sinatra, like most people, had his good points and bad. What percentage of "good" qualifies as a gentleman? I don't think that question can be answered. So my cop-out answer is: sometimes he was a gentleman, sometimes he wasn't. Let's embrace the gentleman Sinatra and learn what to avoid from the non-gentleman Sinatra.

@pensivepenguin3000 Ай бұрын

Wait - when was Nat King Cole a member of the rat pack? I can’t find any source online that confirms this was ever the case

@Hugo23Martins 8 ай бұрын

Sinatra, one of my favorite singers! Beautiful voice Let’s watch the video now 😁 Edit: after watching the video, like you told, of course because of his anger, and drinking to much, and being friend with the mafia, he’s not consider a true gentleman! He was loyal to is friends, but he’s not the best role model for being a gentleman

@donstoddard8458 8 ай бұрын

Yes

@israellee7986 8 ай бұрын

Please do Sammy Davis jr !! Or Nat king cole

@FrankWhite1980 8 ай бұрын

In the words of Tommy Shelby "No need to worry, I'm no gentleman"

@Berkinstock 8 ай бұрын

It is a unfortunate truth that great men are not often good men, for they often go beyond what is common and ignore what is condoned. The icons of style, fictional or not, are frequently men with questionable ethics. It's no surprise Don Draper, James Bond, Tommy Shelby & other flawed creations are all championed by this channel - their moral ambiguity adds to their allure, to their style. Sinatra, whatever his faults, was a gentleman.

@ABC-rh7zc 8 ай бұрын

Sinatra was far from a gentleman, imo. There is a huge difference between "not virtuous" behaviour (which we are all guilty of from time to time) and hanging out with mass murderers or cheating on wives.

@basicpatrik218 8 ай бұрын

@@drg6161 I mean did Bond ever cheat on his wife?(it's not like he had a long time to do so but still) And he also doesn't really hang out with mass murderers just for fun.

@ronaldgmaster5782 7 ай бұрын

James Bond is a fictional character.

@cms3000 8 ай бұрын

Double GG Gentleman and Gangster 😂

@PhilDykshoorn 8 ай бұрын

JFK and his father JPK had little regard for Sinatra. JFK turned him down on one occasion and Sinatra did not take it well. But l do enjoy his singing and "Big Band" style. Great talent, but personal style still needed some work.

@gelchert 8 ай бұрын

Sinatra and JFK were actually friends, and JFK was going to spend the night at Sinatra’s during his presidential campaign. Sinatra even went so far as to build a helipad in his yard so JFK could fly straight there, but JFK cancelled at the last minute because of Sinatra’s alleged mob ties. Sinatra was so angry that, according to legend, he grabbed a sledgehammer and started smashing up the helipad.

@canadafree2087 8 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be watching you, or Gentleman's Gazette, or RMRS, or Sartorial Talks, if you were not all role models to me to some degree. It goes beyond just how to dress.

@nightrider12soul 8 ай бұрын

Almost everybody in entertainment business had relation with the mob.

@pensivepenguin3000 Ай бұрын

My theory is that most ordinary people have flaws, some even as serious as these, but because your entire life is not lived under close public scrutiny, it’s just not well known or talked about. This isn’t to excuse these transgressions but to add some perspective. Every single thing a celebrity does is under a microscope. Also, let’s not be naïve - whenever wealth is involved, there will always be bad actors trying to get a piece of that pie, sometimes with false or unfair allegations

@teenoso4069 8 ай бұрын

As with John Wayne, I will associate Sinatra as a war dodger

@charliebrown5611 8 ай бұрын

He dressed well. They did not call his group the rat pack for nothing.

@Floorguy1000 8 ай бұрын

I have a great deal of Frank Sinatra music and particularly like his early stuff. There is no doubt that he was a progressive in many ways, and could be very generous....and could act very gentlemanly with women he liked. But was he a gentleman? NO. Sorry ...not even close. Forget the mob connections.... no gentleman would ever show the anger issues, arrogance, and grudge holding that Sinatra did, and over many, many years. In 1966 Sinatra hit businessman Fredrick Weisman with a phone at a gathering for Dean Martin's birthday. All sorts of accounts at the time... but Weisman ended up in critical condition and needed brain surgery. Sinatra was known to ditch friendships, famously with Peter Lawford, and even ultimately with Dean Martin. In my strong opinion, Sinatra is so flawed that you can't just pick and choose what parts to emulate.... one might as well pick a character to emulate from a movie. (On that score I would pick Roger Thornhill from "North by Northwest") If you want a substitute for Sinatra....and you already have covered a great pick: Cary Grant .... I would suggest William Powell. William Powell had his own brand of urbane suave charm and witty humor. A tremendously popular film star, he remained very good friends with his ex Carol Lombard till her death...and was married to his third wife for 44 years until his death. A very good bio of him from 1985 is very appropriately titled; "Gentleman: The William Powell Story". Many of his movies are practically lessons on how to be a gentleman, and his private life doesn't have anything in it to disqualify him. Other candidates could be: Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. (although he was a much lesser star and really not known much anymore)... David Niven (although digging here would reveal flaws). Lastly....enjoying the channel, it is covering an area that, imo, needs to be rediscovered by men

@voozoo1606 8 ай бұрын

. Sinatra often sang in SUN CITY, South Africa!!

@richg2881 8 ай бұрын

Sinatra was in with the mob.

@TogaTig 8 ай бұрын

Was Patrick Bateman a Gentleman?

@cms3000 8 ай бұрын

Yes

@PatrickGunderson 8 ай бұрын

3:28 Standing up for the rights of black entertainers is not anti-racism, a common misconception from people who haven’t read the work of Ibram Kendi, who coined and promotes the term. Anti-racism sounds like it should mean “against racism”, but it doesn’t. When you hear people, especially academics, intellectuals and public speakers use that term, they mean racism committed in the opposite direction, in the same way anti-clockwise motion doesn’t mean opposed to motion, it means motion in the other direction. I know it doesn’t seem like that should be the meaning of the word on the surface, but it is. I thought you’d appreciate knowing what the language you use means so you can wield it more precisely in the future, using it to say what you mean. “The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” -Ibram X. Kendi

@gelchert 8 ай бұрын

About Sinatra’s temper: he was so upset over not getting the lead role in the movie version of _Guys and Dolls_ that he repeatedly antagonized Marlon Brando, who did get the role. Brando knew he wasn’t a great singer and actually asked Sinatra for some pointers, but Sinatra resented playing second fiddle to him so much that they weren’t speaking to each other by the end of the shoot. I can understand being upset that you lost a job to someone you think is less qualified than you are, but how big of a jerk do you have to be to make BRANDO look like the bigger man?